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Star Trek Discovery Discussion by Erika Benteen - Sat, 27 May 2017 11:57:37 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59458 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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original thread is no longer bumping.

>Recounting Star Trek Discovery developments, rumours and wondering if the show is up shit's Creek without a phaser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I3y3_QmBsQ
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Pax - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:44:44 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59887
or maybe the TNG movies suck
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Weyoun 4 - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:06:57 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.59889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59888

The point is that it all sucks.

But it all is superior to this shit.
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Captain Kargan - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:28:59 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59886
>nostalgia goggles

Soooo... I had nostalgia goggles for something I hadn't even seen before? I just fucking told you that watching Generations got me into Trek. If it had been completely irredeemable, either one of two things would have happened: I would have hated it and never watched Trek in the first place, or I would have watched Trek and seen that it was nothing like the movie.

But no, no matter how garbage you think they are, the TNG movies still have the TNG characters and the style of writing associated with them. If you can't concede that simple point, I don't even know what you're trying to say. The only way you could legit claim that JJTrek are the better movies is if you look at it from this holistic perspective where you judge them on their own merit, without the expectations conjured by them being called Star Trek. They're slick, dumb sci-fi action movies.

But they're not Star Trek. They don't have the same characters. Yeah, they're called Kirk and Spock, but if you want a target for your nostalgia goggles argument, they are it, because they're actually nothing like the original characters, but rather an unsubtle pastiche of their most well-remembered traits in nerd culture. Kirk is impulsive! Spock is confounded by human emotions! They're all young, which means flippin' 18!

I'd rather watch Nemesis again than any of the JJTrek movies. Nemesis at the very least still has that very Trek-like nature/nurture point at its heart. JJTrek has lens flare and explosions. It's crappy popcorn schlock. Watching a random TNG movie might feel like watching a shitty episode, but watching JJTrek feels like a constant, drawn out insult.
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Stonn - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:51:40 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.59901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59887
I articulated quite clearly, but maybe you don't understand what nostalgia means.
You saw the movie when you were a kid, you didn't have the capacity to see that it's really silly. That's okay, it's a great movie if you don't really think about it. You're just being really obtuse and triggered by a term because some troll used it in the past.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 22:12:56 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59901

>saw the movie when you were a kid

I was an adult when the TNG movies came out.

>triggered

honestly please fuck off with this.


The Orville by Weyoun 5 - Tue, 16 May 2017 12:51:11 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.59221 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Uh, guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9sKeCE8V0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orville
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Simon Tarses - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:42:56 EST ID:6NmnCisv No.59851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59831

make me think of a basketball
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Natima Lang - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:50:56 EST ID:Paa+aYhB No.59852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
toilet seat left up lolololo
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Senator Pardek - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:58:55 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59831
that's actually kinda neat
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Keldar - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 01:07:03 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59831
It kinda reminds me of Moya, but instead of the lines intercepting in the back they intercept in the middle then go through to the back.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:23:38 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.59900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59831
I'd drop the middle part, it sort of looks like it'd get fried by the upper and lower parts, but thats a small quibble.

The fact they made a physical model? Thats fucking awesome.


Bump When Watching IV by Cmdr. Williams - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:05:51 EST ID:3bunwxei No.58359 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Old one isn't bumping anymore.

>VOY Future's End

I'll admit I love the episodes where the crew somehow ends up in current year and this one is no exception. The entire two parter is really cheesy and it knows it. It's great.
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Amanda Grayson - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 01:35:59 EST ID:K6pRQ8/j No.59895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>58359
Just watched ST beyond today because free on hulu.
Was it supposed to be a comedy because that was so garbage it was actually funny.
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Katherine Pulaski - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 03:32:29 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.59896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59883
why do we all just forgive Damar for killing Ziyal though? I understand that by S7 Damar would probably regret that action, even though it's never explicitly said. But that event could be called the catalyst for Dukat going nuclear, causing a lot of problems for everyone else.
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Thy'lek Shran - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:56:56 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59896

I feel like it kind of had to happen that way, and that perhaps that moment is a turning point for Damar.

Duty/Planet/War/Dukat/etc makes the Damar a dull boy.
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Ambassador Thoris - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:50:39 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dukat was chill about it after he calmed down so whatever
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Grand Nagus Gint - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:20:23 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.59899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59896
Makes me wish there was an elsworlds Star Trek for the what Ifs. What if Damar didn't shoot Ziyal, and rather then snapping, Dukat turncoats to the Federation to insure a perfect life for her?


A Proposal by Guinan - Sat, 27 May 2017 04:30:04 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59450 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If Discovery sucks as bad as it looks like it's going to, can we just not consider it Star Trek, and instead consider Babylon 5 to be trek? I mean Babylon 5 tells the story of the creation of the federation better than Enterprise did, Deep Space Nine borrowed heavily from the script of it's pilot episode, and then as revenge B5s creator ripped off elements of DS9. And yet DS9 and B5 are very different shows and actually compliment each other well with that sweet 90s aesthetic and optimism. Also, B5 has a SHITLOAD of Trek actors in it, Jeffrey Combs, Majel Barrett, Walter Koenig, Brad Dourif (Lon Suder), and Dwight Schultz ( Mr. Broccoli) just to name a few.

Let's put it to a vote, shall we?

https://strawpoll.com/fbx1fr7
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Furel - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 23:48:21 EST ID:Gdo+AsW2 No.59845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This thread is making me want to watch Babylon 5 now.
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Corporal Chang - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:11:48 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lennier is by far the biggest beta douchebag that has ever lived.
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Seska - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 13:51:35 EST ID:PkLyXHi3 No.59891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59884

I'd love to read his LiveJournal
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Guinan - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:06:55 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59884
He really is

but if the original plan had gone through, then Sinclair would have done all the shit Sheridan did including wooing Delenn, however he would have overcome the you-die-in-20-years thing by using the Triluminary to become Valen and he'd go back in time to complete the circle.. Delenn, being heartbroken would go back to the beta orbiter cū¢k we all know as Lennier and ultimately he would have gotten his girl in the end. Which to be perfectly honest would be a disappointing message

But then again maybe I'm wrong.. if only Michael O’Hare hadn't gone crazy.. it really is kinda sad what happened to him, I liked him better than Sheridan tbqh fam
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Corporal Chang - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:20:31 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59892
Yeah truly sad. I watched the J Michael Straczynski interview about it. Really sad story. The silver lining is that they managed to fix the show at least.

And yeah that makes total sense.


Treknobabble by Khan Noonien Singh - Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:28:34 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59677 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's the deal with technobabble? Could somebody explain this to me please. I always see people complaining about how lame the technical explanations for events in Trek are, for example, from the front page:
>>technobabble isn't half bad - far better than the standard “Captain, if we remodulate the deflector dish…” “like shaking a ketchup bottle.” “Exactly!” that usually happens in the briefing room.
For the most part, I find the explanation given for why things happen in Star Trek from a technical perspective to be entirely consistent with the in-universe laws established for why certain technologies work the way they do. Within the core set of series (TOS thru ENT) I really can't think of an example where someone offers a technical explanation for something and I think 'that is literally just made up gibberish.' More often than not they go out of their way to remain consistent with universal rules that have been established, and when not, they offer explanations why.

What's the deal with people complaining about technical explanations in a sci-fi show? Are people just allergic to technicality? It all seems very self-consistent and coherent to me, and it's a fictional universe, so I don't know what more you could expect?
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Phlox - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:13:49 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59829
Well the idea that warp 10 means travel at infinite velocity comes from the recalibration of the warp system G-Rod (well really Okuda) came up with for the TNG-era. Once they set up that concept, eventually someone was going to poke at it...but no body wants salamander sex.

Transwarp seems to be a different kind of FTL travel than warp; it seems more like hyperspace, dropping into a parallel dimension, what with the need for 'transwarp conduits' and the like. Since we know there are a multitude of FTL technologies out there (like quantum slipstream) it makes sense that you would need multiple systems to categorize them.

The concept of reaching warp 10 and going infinite velocity and something freaky happening is a good place to start, they just literally ruined it as much as they could. I would've loved if it was a retread of 'Where No Man Has Gone Before" and Paris became like a demi-god before erm, Janeway does too and has to talk him down from it like when Riker made an ass of himself as a Q.
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Commander Tomalak - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:18:42 EST ID:EvQHX1Un No.59838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59677
>What's the deal with people complaining about technical explanations in a sci-fi show?

Not just the audience. I read an interview, I think in the mid-90s, with one of the TNG or DS9 producers who said some of the writing staff wanted to reduce technobabble but Berman wouldn't let them because Michael Piller liked it.
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Leck - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:08:13 EST ID:Glta6qx2 No.59841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In loads of episodes of Voyager they encounter something completely new to them and then one of them has the idea of what to do, starts spouting technobabble for the solution. Even tho it's a completely new thing totally unknown to science, Torres just knows the solution
wow m80
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Erika Benteen - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 05:18:22 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59838
Honestly, I think the only way to write proper technobabble is to dislike doing so. I've explained in my previous long-ass post what I think, and that's that technobabble is a writer's tool. As such, there's no reason to use it when you don't need to. Technobabble will also automatically be better if it has a root in reality.
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I.G. Keval - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:55:54 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59841
Just because you have never discovered something before doesn't mean you might not know about its existence theoretically, which mean you can come up with responses to it based on your knowledge of general physical theory. For example, we've never actually discovered a black hole, but I bet you can tell me all kinds of interesting things about them that might make you useful if you were also a warp-field engineer on a starship and we found one.


Fuck JJ Abrams/Kelvin Universe by Wesley Crusher - Wed, 17 May 2017 23:20:26 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.59273 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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(Note the following is written as a rant, please take it with the amount of sarcasm as it was written with, thank you)

I'm- I'm going just come right out and say it-

I absolutely hate how the new Star Trek is going to look.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT KLINGON!? THAT'S SOME STRAIGHT OUT OF INSURRECTION PULLED FACE BULLSHIT. WHAT'S WITH THAT FORCED FUCKING LENS FLARE?

And what is with making the main character some fucking messiah figure? I get it DS9 was like that but that was just alien more than social messiah... WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE A CREW, IN AN INTERESTING TIME, OR AN INTERESTING PLACE- IN FEDERATION HISTORY- NO IT'S GOTTA BE MAN OF STEEL

"You were meant for something biiiggggerererer" "They will rally behind you because reasons that aren't explained as of yet"

And most importantly- for the superficial stories that JJ Abrams told he's the god dam reason this new ST is going to be terrible. His "Star Trek Aesthetic" if it can be called that JUST SUCKS. Horrible gaudy polished bullshit that is hard to even focus on let alone look at for extended periods of time.

Oh OH and I love how they just have dead space rocket flying packs? Which have apparently never been used again for anything ever in Star Trek. Please don't take into account the tremendous advantage that would be battle of close enough proximity.
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Commander Morag - Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:51:53 EST ID:Yb42b7BZ No.59795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59792
>Though to be fair no one on ENT could really act besides Jhon Billingsly
How dare you insult Scott Bakular! He is an excellent actor and was great in Quantum Leap.
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Curzon Dax - Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:49:32 EST ID:RHVenIrA No.59796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59792
>Who? Naomi Wildman? heh yeah, he did end up being that kids dad, functionally.
No, not Naomi. Although, that sort of is what he was doing there, I was referring to 3rd to last episode of Voyager where they magically find a colony of Talaxians (on the other side of the quadrant) and fell in love with some widower.
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Koss - Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:05:22 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59795
>>How dare you insult Scott Bakular! He is an excellent actor and was great in Quantum Leap.
Lol good one!
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Thalen - Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:12:58 EST ID:Yb42b7BZ No.59806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59797
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:58:28 EST ID:K6pRQ8/j No.59848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59796
hahaha I just watched it too. man I never saw that before. Seemed like he was just stepin in on that rebound pussy, widow style.


Worst Episodes by Lt. George Primmin - Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:37:03 EST ID:Ld/FqYVV No.56623 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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For me it's got to be:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Twisted_(episode) for the anti-climatic ending where they literally do nothing to solve their problem.
and
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Threshold_(episode) for the non-sensical ending of Paris and Janeway (de)-evolving in to reptiles and mating.
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Dr. Leah Brahms - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 17:30:25 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58775
Yeah I had this exact same thought when I watched that episode. It's the classic bad DM trope of 'here's one freaky room that has a 'gotcha' solution!' ... 'ok, here's another one!' ... 'your friend died! Just kidding! Plot armor!' 'don't forget all of this is verrrrry spoooopy'...

I wouldn't be surprised if this episode came about as a result of god-awful D&D sessions between the writers.
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Vic Fontaine - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 21:12:12 EST ID:RysAIMR8 No.58794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I will let the review speak for itself

http://www.jammersreviews.com/st-ds9/s5/withoutsin.php
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Beverly Crusher - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 18:40:40 EST ID:Yb42b7BZ No.59756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/If_Wishes_Were_Horses_(episode)

I'm only just getting in to DS9 but this has got to be the worst episode so far. Their solution at the end was literally to do nothing, what an anticlimax.
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Seska - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:31:58 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59756
It's widely regarded as one of the worst DS9 episodes. Don't worry, it's mostly an anomaly.
I do kinda wish we got to see those aliens again though. They were pretty cool, kinda like micrp-prophets.
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Seska - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:32:45 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59767
*micro*-p-p-p-prophets
nb.


I'm sorry DS9 by Dr. Denara Pel - Fri, 26 May 2017 21:23:59 EST ID:SHq00Qum No.59440 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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For the longest time I maintained that you were total shit because I caught a few episodes and hated them, but now you're my favourite after TNG.
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Kolo - Sat, 27 May 2017 04:07:43 EST ID:+uQHRXJC No.59449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Changeling episodes are a mindgasm Dr. Pel. The politics are cool too and the characterization is the best out of any trek, but damn I love those changeling episodes.

DS9 will really take you on a journey rather than exposing you to a few trippy/moralistic vignettes like TNG/to a lesser extent VOY/to a lesser extent ENT.
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Captain Goroth - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 02:36:32 EST ID:J1dYq1d1 No.59692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59449

>DS9 will really take you on a journey rather than exposing you to a few trippy/moralistic vignettes like TNG/to a lesser extent VOY/to a lesser extent ENT.

This. It's like DS9 is when they realized they could actually have significant story arcs in a weekly show. It made for better storytelling.
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Dr. Denara Pel - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:32:00 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59692

Is Sisko just a reworked version of Dale Cooper?
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Penk - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 12:47:35 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59731
oh shit. Sisko went to the white lodge. maybe DS9 will come back after 25 years.
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Guinan - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:15:42 EST ID:uIueDuNz No.59736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59732
>Sisko will have to fulfill Bajoran prophecy as he, possessed by a Prophet, will do battle with Dale Cooper, possessed by Bob, in a glorious and destructive struggle that will destroy Deep Space Nine and bring Bajor into it's golden age

Diane, the Tulaberry pie at this Quark's place is really something else! Goes great with Rakktajeno


talk about the tube by Subcommander Velal - Thu, 18 May 2017 23:47:40 EST ID:OlAq4NOE No.59297 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I miss the tube, I want to be unbanned, can I go ask on an IRC or something
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Cardassian Prohibition Party - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 12:12:06 EST ID:IOv1+7L+ No.59641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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At least have the decency to say what name you were using that got banned.
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Cardassian Prohibition Party - Thu, 08 Jun 2017 23:51:14 EST ID:IOv1+7L+ No.59679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59641

Bump for visibility. If you've been banned or ipbanned please specify who you were, can't help you if we don't know who you are.
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Guinan - Fri, 09 Jun 2017 03:31:13 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was posting as Guinan

They banned me for saying over and over that FLORIDA WAS AN INSIDE JOB


XINDI LAZERS CANT MELT FLORIDIAN CONTINENTAL PLATES
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Iliana Ghemor - Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:23:58 EST ID:fqorG4X+ No.59685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59680
Well seriously, ELIZABETHHHHH, that was ill advised.
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Guinan - Fri, 09 Jun 2017 16:14:52 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59685
What was Elizabeth Tucker doing on the starship Voyager hundreds of years later? The Xindi war was a ploy by the time traveling agents of the future Section 31 to get Earth to strengthen it's powerbase early on.. and fight the sphere builders. No one was actually killed in the Xindi attack.. thanks to Archer's help in season 5, they were all just brought to future, whale-style, the Star trek version of the movie Millennium.

OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!! FUTURE GUY IS ARCHER, HES PLAYING BOTH SIDES BECAUSE HE INTERACTED WITH JULIAN BASHIR THROUGH THE ORB OF TIME! He now knows from that meeting that Section 31 is dangerous and that they can't be allowed to succeed, and that the sphere builders are actually the good guys since they just want everyone to get high off of their jenky trellium D.

Once you see the truth you can't unsee it.


So it turns out the alt right is quite sore about the cast by Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 25 May 2017 04:53:47 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.59397 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/white-genocide-in-space-racist-fans-seethe-at-diversity-in-new-star-trek-series/

No I'm not gonna post that in /pol/ but maybe the few sane people on this site can get a chuckle out of this.
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Maihar'du - Mon, 05 Jun 2017 23:14:52 EST ID:hS7bKeSv No.59630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59629
As with any good Trek thing, real-world stereotypes are not 1:1. Ferengi money-grubbing capitalist ways cherry picks from both "Rich Jew" and "WASP old-money" stereotypes.

The Bajorans only represent the Jewish people in the fact they had a recently restored homeland and also genocide. But their use of terrorist tactics (extended into the Maquis) actually more closely related to like the IRA or potentially the Islamic Terrorism that plagues our world today.
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K'Ehleyr - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 00:53:21 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.59631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59630
Nah, Jews used terrorist attacks too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
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Admiral Nechayev - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 02:09:00 EST ID:52qIw6x9 No.59634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59630
Yea it's true, they did. I got very interested in ww2 and auxiliary events related to it, the Jews fought hardcore, and some would argue dirty (I certainly would), to get Israel. Now, saying that, I don't hold it against them. They fought a war, they won the war. Much like the founding fathers fought and beat the indians, of which I partially descend, (more white than indian, but it's there, unless my grandmother is lying, which I don't believe, she had too many details for it to be bs imo) for the US. I don't condone it, but I accept it, and I refuse to let bitterment enslave me and make me a fool. Israel is under Jewish control, and despite philosophical disagreements I have with Zionism, I'd be a fool to say it's not better that way. They are our only dependable ally in the middle east. We need them, and they need us. It's just the way it is. The past cannot be changed, the horrors of the past can not be erased, every people has it's horror story, its trail of tears, its frech revolution (which was not as hip as it sounds. Many, many innocents died. Horrifically. Entire families.), its Hutu and Tutsi moment(s). I refuse to let that destroy the future.
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K'Ehleyr - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 02:24:09 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.59635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59634
>They are our only dependable ally in the middle east.
Well except for the three times they spied on us.
And the USS Liberty.
And the escalation of conflict in Syria through ISIS.
And the intervention in our politics through lobbyist campaigns, arguing that we can't have a border wall for our violent invader problems but they can.
And the fact that they haven't sent one single troop to assist us in any of the wars we've fought in part on their behalf in the Middle East.
And if you don't count Saudi Arabia as a strategic ally (though the Judeo-Muslims have their own bullshit too).
And ignoring the billions we send to them.
And ignoring all the times the politicians have called us cattle and slaves to their ambitions.

Also I didn't say anything about bitterness over Israel killing a bunch of arabs, just that they bombed shit too so if we were to associate the Israelis with the Bajorans it could work too.
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Arik Soong - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 03:17:58 EST ID:Wd8rz2aM No.59637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59634
You've laid out a really excellent argument against your own conclusion.


Best Trek Ships by Admiral Adama - Mon, 22 Aug 2016 04:01:09 EST ID:7TQMqrln No.55848 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Gooooo
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Tom Paris - Wed, 24 May 2017 15:57:20 EST ID:afOfMV10 No.59393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59390
...except they also made the Olympic and Negh'var models for AGT
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Roy Ritterhouse - Wed, 24 May 2017 16:13:27 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59393
*blinks* okay....sure. They made the future Enterprise look exactly like the Enterprise -D except with an extra nacelle slapped on because that's what they *wanted* it to look like, not because it was literally the cheapest thing possible to do. Makes sense.

Also, the Negh'Var is just a Vor'Cha with crap slapped on it, much like the refit D. The Pasteur has an interesting history. It is based on a design that propmaster Bill George had been working on in his personal time ever since Star Trek III. He made the model himself, and the last episode was so strapped for cash they actually had to rent the model from him rather than buy it. So I would say all their model decisions for that episode were pretty much entirely informed by a lack of budget.
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Curzon Dax - Thu, 25 May 2017 06:56:50 EST ID:xjdWEISA No.59399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59390
Yeah. Gene Roddenberry was dead. And I suppose both nacelles have line of sight to the middle nacelle? The Defiant is probably the biggest offender in breaking that line of sight rule.

Oddly the Voyager ships hold fast to the line of sight rule. That's why the Delta Flyer's nacelles pop out and the Voyager's pop up.

I was talking about this one though. >>59352
Looks like a space station and some kind of catamaran had a baby.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Thu, 25 May 2017 23:04:36 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.59420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59352
I feel like the nacelles separate into an X pattern when it goes to warp. At least that's what I want to happen when it goes to warp, anyways.
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Guinan - Sat, 03 Jun 2017 21:20:55 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59420
>420

I can fap to this, it's like some amalgamation of an x-wing and the ent-D


Rascals Episode 2: Wesley's Revenge by Guinan - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 02:39:11 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.55667 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Guys, it finally happened. 4 years, 2 months, 15 days, 18 hours, 32 minutes and 19 seconds after it was first created, the rascals thread has sunk into the dark abyss where only netjester can roam.

RIP in peace creepy thread.
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The Traveler - Sun, 28 May 2017 19:40:10 EST ID:IvqKu3ks No.59481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Happy Rascals Day my brothers.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Sun, 28 May 2017 20:40:32 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Happy Rascals Day
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Guinan - Sun, 28 May 2017 23:17:10 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I almost forgot about the 99 hours in msPaint spent saving the original thread.. Happy motherfucking rascals day!
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Darlene Kursky - Mon, 29 May 2017 22:23:11 EST ID:maxNIBJl No.59506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Happy Rascals Day!

The day Ishka Moogie lost a little bit of faith in humanity!
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The Traveler - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:02:10 EST ID:NX1m/ej+ No.59582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59493

We are eternally grateful.


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