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>>36108
What are those really ugly things marked as "First Federation"?

>>36112
Balok's ship the Fesarius from TOS: The Corbomite Maneuver.

I really need to find a download of all the Ships of the Line calendars.

"Waah waah Star Trek is ruined foreeeveeer! There will never be a piece of good Star Trek media agaaaain!" I get the feeling every TNG movie got a similar reaction on internet forums of the time. Or every piece of Trek media since TNG for that matter.

>>36111

>"Waah waah somebody doesn't like what I like! So I'm just going to mock and ridicule any opinion that's different from mine!" I get the feeling too many people here have no idea how subjective interpretation of art works. Or even what it means. Or lack the maturity to discuss it like civilized human beings.

I hate the reboot. I hate a lot of TNG, early DS9, practically all of Voyager and the entire ENT series. Most of the TNG movies were shit, but ST:V was worse than anything TNG did. I honestly don't care what anyone else thinks. I still love the parts of Star Trek that connected on emotional and philosophical levels. I always will be a trekkie, but I'm not going to fawn over something I don't like just because it says Star Trek in the title.

>>36114

>I hate 75% of Star Trek but I still call myself a Trekkie

Sure thing bub

>>36115
The word trekkie predates any of the things I mentioned. I like more than 75% of Star Trek prior to VOY, ENT and the reboot. Also, as I said, just because they put Star Trek on it doesn't mean I have to like it. Will you blindly fall in love with anything they throw at you? Don't you hold it to at least some minimum standard of quality? We all do. We just don't have the same standard. I can be critical of certain elements but still love the overall universe in which it exists.

>>36110

>cast a white british dude to play an indian sikh

>whining

whatever dude. I think it is a legitimate gripe.

>>35945

If we are going to pick a symbol that shows up every now and then and only has an obscure fleeting explanation/reference in a few scenes then we should go with TRANSPONDERS EVERYWHERE.

RAPE GANGS EVERYWHERE

SET PHASERS TO STUN

>>35944
If we can't have IDIC then SHUTUP WESLEY is definitely the way to go.

SHUT UP WESLEY!

It just seems weird and arbitrary to me. He doesn't really articulate a reason for the change other than because he could. I'm just trying to understand it.

I mean, I look at it like any other reboot or adaptation. Sometimes it makes sense to make design or content changes to deliver the story better or make something fit better. It's reasonable to cut some sideplot to make a novel fit a feature film. Design-tweaking the Joker can make him fit a grittier universe, etc. That stuff is justified or at least understandable.

When you tweak something arbitrarily, it just makes anyone familiar with the source material seem like you don't really care about delivering it faithfully.

But maybe that's just it. Maybe it's an attempt to distance the series from its image. The general public don't want to be trekkies, and maybe this sort of change helps make it more accessible to them.

>>35932
gif related

>>35973

>The general public don't want to be trekkies, and maybe this sort of change helps make it more accessible to them.

DING DING DING!

I don't blame him after reading some of the hyper-geek overreactions.

>>35973
Observe the Klingons in Star Trek VI, released in 1992, years after the hyper-ridged ones in TNG.

He's changing things because he can. Just like they changed from TOS to TNG. It's just a different art style. I'm honestly reminded of the aliens from Galaxy Quest referring to the show (and earth television) as "historical documents".

It's 2013, and this is what sci-fi action looks like.

>>35973

TMP Klingons look different from TNG Klingons, even when both were being produced at the same time.

I know Worf was black, but when did Klingon become synonymous with "big scary black guy", and since apparently black people aren't scary enough (lul), they give em weird contacts/special effects as well as wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide?

>>36051

Thanks, Captain Obvious. How do you even scan potatoes? They don't have bar codes on them.

The story is so ridiculous that only an a major idiot who has only been on the internet for 1 minute would POSSIBLY believe a word. It's obviously a joke.

>>36053
Colm is that you?

>>36053
It was a joke when it first started. That was my point. It's been run into the ground and isn't funny anymore.

>>36047
copytpasta. Replace Colm with Penn Jilette and there you have it.

Into the trsh it goes! nb.

>>36047
I believed it up until the bit about the potatoes.

>>36061
yeah, but looking like young Clint Howard is still Clint Howard

Grace with age.

>>36069
Post one for Jonathan Franks

>>36089
Jonathan Frakes +20 years.

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>>36004

>Generations

Maybe Saran Wrap does not have a ship, but he has an evil out fit and firing a missile into the sun is classic "evil".

> Insurrection

They have an evil ship, but it is an evil holo ship, also the bad guy is a Corrupt Star Fleet Admiral and other bad dudes dress in dark colors.

>>36001

>Kirk gets demoted.

That doesn't happen until VH.

>>36001

Oh and you forgot that in ST: Into Darkness Sulu gets to be the Captain for a bit.

op I'm sorry to have to say, Hollywood is retard. As well as all those Marvel Comics spinoffs, I find tacky. (Still went to see them) Ultimately of course when we get out of this animalistic style of living we can just ask ourselves outright what the hell we really want to watch. The majority of movies are targeted for a younger audience with in mind the parents will come along to see the movie as well. I just think when we have perfected society we can just create movies by facilitating people in an open end environment in the world anyway. We have an abundance of peoples time of our hands here, we can use it resourcefully. Why just wait on a company to tell us what to do.
^{Yours sincerely, the people of the universe.}

>>36001
Do you have that in a large image with relevant pictures for each point?

>>36018

>I liked in First Contact when Zefram Cochrane throws up the peace symbol cause he couldn't do the LLAP. Then he shook the Vulcan's hand. Pretty neat.

then he played oobie doobie and Vulcans saw that humans are monsters

OP, I hate to tell you but language is like math (in fact it is math) and if you have a sufficient understanding of it in general you can eventually figure out just about any language even without context. We don't exactly know how to yet, but we know it can be done. It's called Information Theory, it has applications beyond language such as in gambling and computer science. I'm no expert though, so that's about all I can tell you.

>>36057
In general, a good argument for this being true is
1) Humans do not all learn the same language as they grow up, indicating that a complete language is not genetically hardcoded into us
2) The vast majority of humans do learn language growing up, and based on 1) it is very reasonable to assume that they have a limited amount of context to work with (who knows the concept of a grandfather before learning the word for it?).

Even with that, however, the most prevalent theory of language today is that the human brain does have some kind of language structure built into it, explaining why [almost?] all human languages have concepts like verbs and nouns. A Darmok and Jilad taken to the extreme might produce a language which has absurdities that baffle information theory. (For example, a language which happens to be exactly identical to English, except that the speakers have an arbitrarily large private PGP key encoded into their DNA that they naturally encrypt and decrypt all communication with. Information Theory might be able to decode certain concepts, but decoding the language itself would be equivalent to breaking the PGP key, not simply establishing a giant Chinese Room dictionary.)

Of course, Klingon has nouns and verbs, but that can be explained away by that one TNG episode that only exists to be brought up in conversations like these.

Most other truly alien species in Trek have "Get out of jail free" cards as to why communication would work. Q is godlike and knows everything, the Horta got a mindmeld with Spock, the Crystalline Entity was the subject of years of work and still didn't get it right, Wesley's nanobots had access to the Enterprise's computer core, half the races in TOS had some kind of incredibly powerful mind probe anyway, and those sand-creatures that took over mining drills could likewise access computer systems, the Borg literally existed to absorb information and had the facilities to do it, etc. etc.

>>36057
>>36065

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indeterminacy_of_translation

The problem is that this is exaggerated (star trek included) greatly in fiction to the point that a language can be understood near completely from as little as a few minutes of speech.

The universal translator gets a pass because it works on limited mind reading or something.

Usually there just plain isn't enough to work with the way Star trek shows though, young children are basically wired to learn language and to a lesser extent adults, but you couldn't expect anyone to learn anything if the only example of language they were ever given was the first page of a random book read to them.

Reference is very important, a single sentence could mean many different things depending on the context. Ignoring the logistical problems of how a space faring species could function with such a language, "Darmok" did a good job of demonstrating this. While the universal translators could figure out the individuals words and grammatical structure, the language was gibberish because they had no cultural reference point.

A real world example would be how there wasn't very little real meaningful understanding of hieroglyphics until the discovery of the Rosetta stone. Up until that point there was very little information to go on. It could certainly be recognized as language but with know actual references and context to work with deciphering them would have been impossible.

>>36071

Typoed there, sorry. Was, not wasn't and no, not know in that last paragraph. Really wish there was a five minute window to edit your own posts or something.

>>36040

>Transporter room, myself and Medical Officer Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi to beam up.

everyone hits a button on the com device for better location accuracy

I thought the badges star fleet personnel wear also had tracking devices in them so any nearby federation vessel would have no problem locating personnel on away missions and locking on to them with the transporter.

He says "two to beam up", he means "the two people with Star Fleet comm badge signals to beam up".

>>36044

>>36056
This.

I mean we can already pretty much target any person who has a modern cell phone with GPS from space, so add a few centuries worth of innovations in spacial targeting technology and it's probably a breeze. The transporter operator does the rest.

>>35991
"cum" is a colloquialism that not everyone uses.

Oh and send Lal over to my quarters later would you... alone.

>>35981

I made this for a birthday card.

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No reboot because the reboot is the death of Star Trek. Any future Trek will just be generic action movies that accomplish nothing for fans. If not for the reboot, there would be hope for more Trek, but now there's not.

>>36007

>that accomplish nothing for fans.

I don't like it therefore no one can like it. Boo Hoo

>>36007
As opposed to the TNG movies? Which were generic action movies that accomplish nothing for the fans?

>>35998
The Vulcans are in the Federation.
The Breen should be on the same tier as the Cardassians. They had a "trick" weapon that gave them a brief advantage, but Starfleet compensated for it quickly.
>>36008
>>36009
The thread asked for peoples opinions. In a lot of peoples opinion the reboot is entertaining. For many others it is a complete failure. Neither opinion is "right" or "wrong". That's the nature of opinions and subjective interpretation of art. Personally I hate it. I hate reboots in general. It is, in my opinion, an attempt to ride the coattails of something that is already popular, while pretending to be something creative and original. It is lazy, in that it requires little effort to critique something long after the fact, change a few things around, dress it up with more modern special effects and lure people into the theater making them think it's what they already love, only "different". It is also cowardly, as the makers of the reboots don't have the guts to just draw inspiration from something great, but strike out on there own to create a completely new show or film franchise. I think it's sad that hollywood has been doing this for so long that so many younger people now accept it as legitimate film-making. That's my opinion. I know others disagree, that doesn't make me, or them wrong.

>>36028
I didn't say anything about that person being wrong but they weren't making subjective statements. They flat out said that the new movie "accomplishes nothing for fans"

>>35988
Phase II.
there's a lot of little bits Data does in TNG that I bet grew out of ideas for Xon. Like that time he was in the tree and him dressing as sherlock holmes in the ready room

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Doctor_Who#Crossover_concept

If only.

A piece of trivia: parts of the engineering deck in Star Trek: Into Darkness were filmed on-location at the National Ignition Facility. So that giant spherical warp core that Kirk climbs into in order to do some percussive maintenance at the end of the movie is an actual fusion reactor experiment!

I would have liked to see a TNG and SG 1 crossover.

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