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GUINAN'S HEADCANON GENERAL by Guinan - Thu, 12 Jan 2017 00:45:40 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.57642 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi there. This is Guinan. I spend a lot of time listening to people talk about all kinds of shit, and also I make some pretty great drinks. But today, and hopefully every day until I get sick of it, I'm going to do something else.

First off, I'd like to explain. When I think about what really makes this place special is that the way memes blossom is in headcanons. I've been listening and over my years here I've heard some interesting headcanon, I'd like to share some. For many, these headcanon(s) will be familiar, mostly

For those who have not yet trekk'd all of the Star trek there is to Trek beware, for spoilers abound:

1In Star Trek Generations, Picard enters the Nexus. We are made to think that he leaves, but as I imply in my (Guinan's) dialog in the movie, no one really leaves the Nexus.. that is of course how I get (at least some) of my temporal powers which helped in episodes such as Yesterday's Enterprise. The truth is that any thought of leaving the Nexus could lead to a complex hallucinatory fantasy of leaving it, only coming to realize it was all an illusion.

Therefore all the TNG movies are hallucinations in the edge of reality in the planes of existence where man becomes Q and action picard was just jean luc's way of coping with the death of his family line now that his brother and nephew were dead and he was without child

2Unless Wesley was actually Picard's bastard child and he 'accidentally' put Beverly's be-stallion'd husband into harm's way to get rid of him

3Also in regards to the Nexus, someone in another thread once revealed to me the most glorious of truths, that Kirk's exploits against 'God' in Star Trek V at the center of the galaxy were actually a nexus fantasy

4Whenever there's a captain's log entry that's only a voiceover while the ship flies past the camera, the captain is actually taking a shit, that's why they changed it from the more formal 'blog' that had been used for several centuries to the archaic word-form 'log', as an immature joke allowed due to its history in earthen naval tradition
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Ishka Moogie - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 05:56:37 EST ID:jLk28Rqz No.57932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's my head canon that in ENT, Shran doesn't know black people are human. After all, there are no black Andorians, and I don't recall seeing a black Vulcan in ENT, or any other black Vulcan than Tuvok. But Shran calls humans "pinkskins", which seems to indicate that he does not think Mayweather is human. So what does he think? That black people are a client species of mankind? If we take that and run with it, maybe Shran's misunderstanding is partly responsible for the founding of the Federation, because internally he reasoned that mankind had already integrated one species, so maybe they weren't full of shit about peace and tolerance, like the Vulcans.
Guinan - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 08:26:25 EST ID:cR6S8W8N No.57934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hahaha this needs to be integrated into reality and acknowledged on-screen, that's how fucking solid this headcanon is. Definitely going in headcanon thread 2 in 2019 when the first one dies
Shakaar Edon - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 13:45:32 EST ID:6jFPavA+ No.57935 Ignore Report Quick Reply

thats... brilliant
Lt. Joseph Carey - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:38:37 EST ID:HRHkEC3i No.57936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's awesome
Valkris - Thu, 09 Feb 2017 03:36:45 EST ID:gF0Iv3Uk No.57950 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Sounds like you applied Occam's Razor and got this result. I approve.

Rick Sanchez by Commander Dolim - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 05:23:01 EST ID:y1BP3bZP No.55793 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How would Rick fair in the Star Trek universe?
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Burt Ryan - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:04 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.55810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I predict it would end in a showdown between Rick and Q that would tear the galaxy in twain. In the end Rick would use some device to blow up the universe and be left floating alone in the empty space that was left of everything burping about how he won, then Q would poof out of nowhere, start rebuilding the galaxy, and they would both laugh and go in for the most epic brograb ever to behold by beings both sentient and omnipotent.

Also they would go way back in time and make Archer fat.
Guinan - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 21:46:21 EST ID:Y/rBvJIY No.55811 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Fucking gold lol
Helena Rozhenko - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 22:33:11 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Kai Opaka - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 22:33:48 EST ID:siczhJsP No.55816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I bet Rick would lead the Enterprise on an epic wild goose chase.
Also, all the posts in this thread are gold. An other prime example of why /1701/ is the best board in all of 420chan.
Guinan - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 00:03:22 EST ID:cR6S8W8N No.57927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Picture is the opposite I feel about this thread from way back in 2016

Star Trek Waifu/Husbando Thread by DaiMon Bok - Thu, 22 Dec 2016 22:38:02 EST ID:Mo/cULC+ No.57459 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, Star Trek '09 is mediocre, and Into Darkness is terrible. But I actually quite liked Beyond.

And I have never waifu'd as hard as I do for Jaylah. Holy shit. I felt like a teenage girl in a crush in the theater, and I've watched the movie twice since then and not felt any different.

>mfw "I do not know what is a welcome mat"

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K'Ehleyr - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 04:40:07 EST ID:0ZbRzUd0 No.57750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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dat potato chin
Gaila - Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:14:29 EST ID:9ZzCz+KL No.57814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She was annoying as fuck to me. The whole movie was written in an annoying way.
Guinan - Wed, 01 Feb 2017 01:02:58 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.57840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
JJ Abrams pls go
Legate Turrel - Wed, 01 Feb 2017 07:49:36 EST ID:eYlFtKzK No.57841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the only things out of the entire kelvin timeline worth keeping are:

the Borg(/elachi hyprid) Tech used to make the Nerada that abomination; because it gets used in STO on a D'D and produces a way more scary foe

and the justification for Nero's name from the novelisation, because it means Sela's actual name is Alice and she can't let go of it
DaiMon Bok - Fri, 03 Feb 2017 01:16:02 EST ID:T9o5ymNT No.57870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dominatrix worthless whiny bitch

Bryan Fuller Leaves "Star Trek: Discovery" as Showrunner by M'Pella - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:02:42 EST ID:lBRkOczw No.56838 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Sources said there had been some strain between “Star Trek” producer CBS Television Studios and Fuller over the progress of production on the show

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Mordoc - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 00:53:22 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.57848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah but a lot of it wasn't even pictures from this show. There was no substance, even for a teaser.
Azan - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 10:11:03 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.57849 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Here's a teaser trailer for TNG. It looks like anything Trek related is from the movies (lot of Wrath of Khan).

Here's a famous teaser trailer for 1978 Superman:

Teaser trailers almost by definition eschew showing anything real or of substance from the finished product because they're often made and shown well in advance of any real work being done ON the finished product. That's why it's a "teaser" trailer and not simply a trailer.
Phlox - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 10:44:45 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.57850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Most teasers show at least something to get the hype started.

SW ep IV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvWR3YGfUmw
Warhammer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUKsb03Rnf0
SW ep VII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww
Mordoc - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 13:30:45 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.57855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean yeah, but that TNG teaser looks like it actually got people pretty hyped. That was actually pretty cool.

BTW-to date the only teasers for Discovery have been the first one showing the ship and that one from a couple days ago right?
Groundskeeper Boothby - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:14:21 EST ID:4t+MA9XW No.57857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There was an even more insubstantial one before the ship one, that just showed nebulae and shit.
While sure this trailer isn't entirely out of the genre of what is acceptable for a teaser, the bigger picture gripe is that all that they have to show for a show they have ostensibly been working on for almost a year is yet ANOTHER insubstantial teaser trailer.

Episodes you like that no-one else does by Erika Benteen - Thu, 05 Jan 2017 08:42:52 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.57579 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm generally not too fond of ENT, but I found myself thinking about Rogue Planet after watching the SFDebris review. I actually rather likes the episode, for ENT's standards. First off, I don't think a lot of the complaints about it in the review stick. Sure, the planet looks kind of vanilla for the premise, but Star Trek was never about that sort of thing. The vast majority of planets we see have breathable atmosphere and are generally Earthlike. In that, the Rogue Planet is actually an interesting departure, and I do think the element of night works, visually. I also like the wonky visors, because they fit into ENT's theme of the crew using more down to Earth means to do their thing. Of course, Archer acts like an idiot. But he always does. I didn't find his behaviour to be any weirder, and it's kind of explained away by the nature of what's happening. I can accept that.

But the core theme of Rogue Planet seem very "Trek" to me. There are no real bad guys, because the hunters are well-rounded characters who have a set of sensible values. SFDebris mentions that it's kind of weird that "hunting went out of style on Earth 100 years ago" in ENT's universe, but there's a simple explanation: ENT is trying to be TNG and got its timeframe wrong. However, at the same time the statement is ambiguous. Hunting already *has* gone out of style. My grandfather used to hunt big game in the jungles of Indonesia, but stopped when he noticed that the animals were disappearing. Now, they are all gone, and so are the jungles. It's not longer feasible to hunt in the style of those hunters in Rogue Planet on Earth *today*, except for a privileged few. Presumably that's the state the Eska (the hunters) are in, except they go to the rogue planet instead of Africa. Most hunters in our society shoot species like deer or boars, who are in abudance due to the lack of apex predators predating them. Now, ENT puts this point where we collectively stop hunting slightly more than 30 years from now. That's a bit risky, but Trek also has an alternative timeline compared to us. By this time they've had two more world wars than we've had, and Asia has been ruled b…
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DaiMon Birta - Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:48:43 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.57806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lwaxana is a lot deeper than her frivolous facade, but the frivolous facade is, when taken with the knowledge that it is somewhat of a facade, all the more entertaining. That's not to say that she isn't legitimately frivolous, but it adds a certain dimension of detachment from life until shit hits the fan. You know, like she exercises more discretion and flexibility with her personality than anyone else in star trek, who pretty much act the same way all the time.

I also like how she directly violates all of the stereotypes you would expect from a show's resident telepath.
Lysia Arlin - Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:15:59 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.57815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>likeable human

Don't let their appearance fool you comrade, the Betazoids are merely another slave races of the Human Federation.
Jannar - Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:52:55 EST ID:UKKS3Tki No.57818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would add though, that she initially wasn't written like this and I think the show's writers changed the character without actually changing anything.

It's actually a pretty clever/economical bit of writing when you think about it. They made her actions in later episodes not only show more depth and humanity on her part but they also cast her previous actions in a different light, changing the way we thought about them. As opposed to just retconning or contradicting previous things.
Kessick - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 02:00:42 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.57823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good point
It's interesting how with subtle trickery you can use the future to change the past
Ranjen Solbor - Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:21:05 EST ID:x12Rs4f9 No.57842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes comrades, the humans will destroy us in the future if we do not destroy them first. A dark shadowy figure from the X files, or enterprise, or something told me.

"You're dead." by Dr. Mora Pol - Sun, 29 Jan 2017 09:48:48 EST ID:AZJPuGMB No.57801 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hypothetical: As Picard is dying (for real, this time), he is visited one last time by Q, who says the trial is over. Not guilty. Q offers Picard Continuum membership, for lack of a better term.

Does Picard choose to explore the entirety of this reality with the powers of a Q, or does he choose to die?
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Jannar - Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:36:02 EST ID:UKKS3Tki No.57819 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I always preferred the Q being beyond my understanding. But Irumodic syndrome? However the fuck it's spelled is something that never even affected Picard that badly during all the best things anyway. I mean everything people attribute to it was real so you might be right, or in the very least it never actually gets bad enough to stop Picard doing what Picard does. It being a complete ruse never crossed my mind but there's no reason that couldn't be true and it doesn't even undermine or mangle the existing narrative so it's a really good bit of headcanon.
Kessick - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 01:55:20 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.57821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>So also part of what Picard hates about Q is a taste of his own medicine
I don't understand this. Picard hates violating the prime directive and interfering in the development of inferior cultures, whereas Q doesn't seem to mind. A Picard-Q probably wouldn't even be known to the non-Q and he certainly wouldn't play games with people even if it were for those peoples' benefits. Dishonesty, or at the very least mystery, isn't his style. Unless what you're trying to say is that a black and white rule like the prime directive and human morality are something that would eventually have to be abandoned or transcended, and that Picard did a very very good job with the narrow constraints of his existence but outside of that context his beliefs become meaningless. However, if that is the case, then why is Picard of special interest to the Q as opposed to others?
Kessick - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 01:58:52 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.57822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My headcanon is that Picard actually is a part of the Q continuum already and he invented the entire star trek storyline for some reason. The Q that he encounters is either actually him or a Q friend or perhaps both, because Qs probably have a weird concept of identity.
Nurse Jabara - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 03:09:02 EST ID:wIKJRV0L No.57824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Picard would be all "Now Q, don't go suddenly making this all Deep Space 9 on me." Q would sigh, set down a small object, and depart.

It's a music box that starts playing Picard Song.
Sarek - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:35:41 EST ID:syC+oe3F No.57828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm more saying that as advanced as the UFP are over a pre-warp civilization (or more likely over an amoeba), so are the Q more advanced than the UFP, and thus the UFP finds itself in the rare situation of being the one from whom advanced capabilities and knowledge are withheld. And I'm merely suggesting that this awareness is disquieting to Picard because it calls into question humanity's independence, what it is evolving into, and how little we know of the true nature of the universe. I think Q is focused on Picard in particular only because he both sees him as an 'everyman' (he has all the qualities of humanity bundled up in appropriate proportion) and also as someone always on the leading edge of Starfleet's probes deeper into space, he's an exemplar of the problem Q sees with humanity -- that we're moving too fast for our own good and doing so with blinders on. It also probably just means he has more opportunities to bump into him and get him in nasty situations.

Star Trek related dreams by Alexander Rozhenko - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:33:56 EST ID:TJx6CT+d No.57757 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This morning I had a dream that was basically sort of a sequel to Threshold, but without Paris having sex with Janeway and giving birth to their children as lizards.

Basically Paris tries to go transwarp again in a shuttlecraft but instead of slowing transforming into a horny lizard he ends up just... floating in space. Torres then rescues him but this Torres is from a universe where everyone is a weeaboo so her shuttlecraft is full of weeaboo shit and is bright pink and has a lot of Sega arcade games in it. She tells Paris to pass time by playing some of them and she says that the only way to go back to his own world is by doing another transwarp, which can only be done while he is playing Hatsune Miku Project Diva. So they manage to do that but somehow they end up in Disney's 1993 hit movie Homeward Bound with Torres as the cat and Paris as the pitbull.

They go through the movie as usual and when they get to the family they run into Janeway who is the golden retriever and for some reason Picard is also there as a bird. The dream ended there. I'm pretty sure pitbull!Paris tried to impregnate cat!Torres.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:10:56 EST ID:PDoEVFqX No.57758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So your dream is catdog prequel
Guinan - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:46:41 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.57759 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Fuck yes, your individual neurons can work together without your consciousness mind to write an episode of trek far better than most of Enterprise
Noonian Soong - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 01:36:24 EST ID:jvgrHyAd No.57760 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Word sounds like an interesting dream
I had a dream a few weeks ago where me and my best friend fell off a cliff mansion thing after partying and after having a nightmare fall, got picked up by a shuttle craft and Worf and Geordi told us we were being stupidly unsafe
David Marcus - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:12:27 EST ID:TJx6CT+d No.57768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At least yours made sense. I think mine is telling me to keep being a weeaboo and avoid pitbulls.

Mirror universe. by Empress Janeway. - Mon, 16 Jan 2017 01:47:59 EST ID:3C6F7SB9 No.57668 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Should the new Star Trek series of movies ever explore the mirror universe? This has hardly been touched on. There was the one TOS ep, Enterprise, but this is not enough. I want more of the Terran Empire. I want to know what happened to the empire after a long time. What is it like in the Voyager timeline? Has a terran ship ever been transported to the delta quadrant by the Caretaker?
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 02:24:57 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.57723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Somehow, Enterprise has the best MU episodes.

I'd personally like to see Patrick Stewart come back as Mirror Picard, a caricature of an elderly sea admiral mad for power or something. It'd be great to have a one-off Mirror Universe movie.
Thalen - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 10:20:38 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.57724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Enterprise has the best MU episodes.
Well, other than Mirror, Mirror itself. And I honestly don't think of the DS9 episodes as being in the Mirror Universe. Just in some other kind of alternate universe.
Admiral Nechayev - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 12:17:25 EST ID:syC+oe3F No.57725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except, you know, that it's a major plot point that it's the same universe.
Keldar - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:20:29 EST ID:oB5zPqAN No.57726 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Indeed. The first DS9 mirror episode "Crossover" references the first mirror episode and Kirk's crossing.
Benny Russell - Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:15:01 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.57730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But... the entire point of DS9's MU episodes is to provide commentary on the original in the same way DS9 provides commentary on TNG. Humanity embraced being nice, and as a consequence got steamrolled by everyone else in the universe who was still evil. Which is exactly why the entire MU in DS9 is so different from the main universe.

And while I do love ENT's MU episode, DS9 had continuity between its MU episodes and used them to provide the typical shades of grey commentary that DS9 does so well. ENT's was fun, but that was it.

Happy Birthday Royalties by Corporal Kelly - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:54:24 EST ID:nA4Z62pB No.57707 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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DS9 S3E18 Distant Voices

In this scene a Dabo girl and Garak sing "Happy Birthday To You" in its entirety to Julian. From what I understand, the song was still under copyright then.

Did Paramount have to pay royalties to Warner-music for the use of this song in this episode? Or did this one slip by EVERYONE involved?
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Vekma - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:18:07 EST ID:xmR6+9bR No.57711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't imagine that it would slip by copyrights but then again I don't see why they would put the song in its entirety in the episode considering how much it costs, so idk..
Seamus - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 21:16:19 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.57712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It was. There was a lawsuit that proved its copyright was fraudulent and Warner had to pay back its fees its collected. It's public domain now.
Vekma - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:05:57 EST ID:xmR6+9bR No.57713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
nice, I didn't know that. I bet they had to pay a pretty penny.
Grimp - Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:36:53 EST ID:nA4Z62pB No.57714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Right but Paramount / Star Trek has avoided using Happy Birthday before. In my googling for this very post the ONLY OTHER trek/birthday reference was to the TNG S7E11 episode Parallels where Worf was skipping through dimensions.


In it they wanted to use klingon translations of the song but to the tune but switched it to For He's A Jolly Good Fellow.

Also, For He's A Jolly Good Fellow was used as the birthday song in another DS9 episode.... i'll find it later.
Thalen - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:37:22 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.57722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think For He's a Jolly Good Fellow is a much better song to be serenaded by than Happy Birthday and I'm happy Trek used censorship to its artistic advantage in this case.

Healthy as a regalian ox by Michael Sullivan - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 06:25:12 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.57718 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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It's a common saying between all alpha quadrant people. But what the fuck is a Regalian Ox and just what does it look like? More importantly, how long lived is it that it's known quadrant wide as a healthy animal?
Weyoun 8 - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:38:56 EST ID:UKKS3Tki No.57721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What kind of despicable melanoid slime Wesley asks questions like that?

I guess they're like Oxen on earth but from Rigel and you can be "strong as a ox" usually meaning healthy as well. And given we listen to everything translated into hue mon then it'd be the human name. So most of the time unless it's really catchy like "Targ" they're just going to compare it to something we know already.

Engineers Ranked by Morn - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:27:57 EST ID:sS5y1lLA No.57253 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Best: O'brien

Profile: The most "bare bones" of the engineers, capable of doing a lot with little. A real knuckle-dragger.

Pro: Famous of making broken stuff work.

Con: Has bad luck
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Commander Dolim - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:12:43 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.57696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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TOS Top Red Shirts Ranked

Fourth: Ensign Harper

Profile: Followed orders to his own fate.

Death: Vaporized by the M-5 Mulitronic Unit.
Commander Dolim - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:13:31 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.57697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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TOS Top Red Shirts Ranked

Fifth: Ensign O'Herlihy

Profile: Tactical aide, sent to help outfit Cestus III.

Death: Killed by Gorn Disruptor fire.
Daniel Jackson - Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:29:32 EST ID:9gwZOrlu No.57717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>You'll be back,...they always come back.

Red shirts never come back
Michael Sullivan - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 06:27:13 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.57719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
some one better make trading cards out of this thread. I'd do it but I have neither the time nor the ability.
Weyoun 8 - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:35:04 EST ID:UKKS3Tki No.57720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love that Jeffrey Coombs is the biggest category.

Also we need a "best captains who are not the captain" so Maxwell, Jellico, Solok (baseball xenophobe Vulcan guy) that sort of thing.

We've avoided the obvious one and I think skirting round it as closely as possible is a very necessary option.

How would each captain fare in the Mass Effect universe? by The Doctor - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:34:40 EST ID:OikXj97p No.57660 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Who would choose Destroy, Control, or Synthesis?

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