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Worst Episodes by Lt. George Primmin - Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:37:03 EST ID:Ld/FqYVV No.56623 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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For me it's got to be:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Twisted_(episode) for the anti-climatic ending where they literally do nothing to solve their problem.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Threshold_(episode) for the non-sensical ending of Paris and Janeway (de)-evolving in to reptiles and mating.
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Eliminator Leck - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:16:46 EST ID:GXFLYcN6 No.58774 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Are you referring to Move Along Home? It's one of my favourite of the early episodes, but it's very unsettling. A lot of those early episodes were good at conveying a sense of alienation and strangeness which I never got from TNG. Well, I did, but it was always from a very comfortable point of view, whereas DS9, far from paradise, felt different.
Ambassador Thoris - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:57:57 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Move Along Home is the first episode that, quite clearly, shows Quark has a conscience. It also has early Bashir overacting, which is something I really like for some reason. Maybe I'm just seeing the same charm in him that Garak did.

I wouldn't say it's a good episode, but I used to play a lot of D&D. And Move Along Home is exactly what happens when you have a shitty DM who's just phoning it in. Once I realized that, I couldn't unsee it. So for me the... whatever-aliens aren't a species that loves games. They're a species that loves games, but isn't any good at playing them. Like a lot of people who play D&D.

Quark getting down on his knees and pleading for the end, well, that's what you do mentally halfway through a shitty D&D session.
Eliminator Leck - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 12:47:06 EST ID:GXFLYcN6 No.58777 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Indeed, Bashir's look of horror as he realises they're going to do a song and dance thing to get out of the room is priceless.
Dr. Leah Brahms - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 17:30:25 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah I had this exact same thought when I watched that episode. It's the classic bad DM trope of 'here's one freaky room that has a 'gotcha' solution!' ... 'ok, here's another one!' ... 'your friend died! Just kidding! Plot armor!' 'don't forget all of this is verrrrry spoooopy'...

I wouldn't be surprised if this episode came about as a result of god-awful D&D sessions between the writers.
Vic Fontaine - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 21:12:12 EST ID:RysAIMR8 No.58794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I will let the review speak for itself


This fucking conversation by Lt. JG Saavik - Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:39:19 EST ID:SLImVZa6 No.58544 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So wait is he gay? I thought be got the spoontang from Dukat's daughter.
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Lt. Darien Wallace - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 11:54:16 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.58643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think Bashir knew. Bashir is certainly bi, cause there's gay shit that goes on with O'Brien all the time too. he's like Dax - when you're that hot why limit yourself to just one half of the field?
General Martok - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:00:31 EST ID:Ju4jkf7E No.58644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno, at least initially Bashir is extremely naive. He's a fresh graduate, he'd be an ensign if he wasn't a medical officer.

Dax has the perspective of many bodies, the Dax symbiote has had all the sex and loved it all and remembers that. Bashir on the other hand wasn't quite that good at tennis if you know what I mean.
Lwaxana Troi - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 03:13:29 EST ID:z0xs5r47 No.58719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh it was gay alright
Subcommander N'Vek - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 04:08:27 EST ID:KjVbhEBa No.58725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He is omni-sexual.
T'Pol - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:34:30 EST ID:FnFcSTDu No.58825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So guys, at some point this thread inspired me to write the outline for the next Star Trek porn. We've had "the next penetration" so that means that it's time for
>Deep Ass Sixty Nine

Here is my fucking god awful script. But then it's porn.
Worf and Sisko are arguing over who has the greater prowess, the conversation rapidly degenerates into insults at which point Sisko says. Something along the lines of stop, I know how we can settle this.

>Act 1
Nog and Rom are talking about their lives and how they've not done anything as a father and son for a long time. They both look sad when leeta walks in and asks if there's anything she can do to help.

Bashir and O'Brien are playing a spy game for the first time with Garak, Garak is the villain and has Bashir tied to a table. He exclaims that he has Bashir right where he's always wanted him and asks his henchman, who is O'Brien to help. O'brien looks puzzled for a moment then nods knowingly.

In Siko's Office Jadzia Dax has been called to settle the dispute. Only she is a strong enough to decide says Worf, or knowledgeable enough says Sisko. They will prove who is the greater man by taking it in turns to fuck her anally until she surrenders. Dax pretends to look intimidated but knows who will actually win this contest.

>Act 2
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Patrick Stewart Engages with Marijuana every day by M'Ress - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:51:13 EST ID:KiKl473+ No.58340 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I guess he's got bad Arthritis so he gets blazed

>In fact, Stewart explains, his own condition was so bad that he couldn’t make a fist, something that’s now been alleviated by using a cannabis spray. And in conjunction with a cannabis ointment he uses at night, as well as various edibles, Stewart now says the pain and stiffness in his hands has been greatly reduced, allowing him to sleep and function in his daily life

Patrick, if you're lurking here, give us a shoutout!
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Captain Tel-Peh - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:40:48 EST ID:JpsWdQPO No.58356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I wonder who else among the Star Trek casts uses drugs.
Dr. Crell Moset - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:35:42 EST ID:6ICHVbx3 No.58357 Ignore Report Quick Reply

thats a sexy little gif lol


make it stoned
Subcommander Almak - Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:08:14 EST ID:Ra02GtxL No.58523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I found it mostly creepy
Senator Vreenak - Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:03:04 EST ID:JpsWdQPO No.58532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lwaxana Troi - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 03:14:57 EST ID:z0xs5r47 No.58720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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First Contact Day by Saifon - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 13:25:56 EST ID:MlTRM46I No.58702 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 15:18:11 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>♫ It's been a loooong time... ♪
Guinan - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:26:50 EST ID:GRDS5tBs No.58705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Star Trek Fan Productions by Legate Kell - Sat, 01 Apr 2017 16:39:28 EST ID:Mo/cULC+ No.58604 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, last year on June 23, these rules for Star Trek fan films were released:


However, there are still no rules that I can find for fan-comics and other fan projects.

In particular, while the Excelsior audio drama series responded by changing its name from "Star Trek: Excelsior" to "Starship Excelsior: A Star Trek Fan Production," in keeping with the new rules, these rules also state that

>The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.

There have been two full episodes since then, released in August and September of last year, each over an hour in length, and contributing to an ongoing story of which they made up part of the fourth "season."

Neither CBS nor Paramount seems to have moved against them (>6 months later), and there was an announcement a week ago today that the next episode's script is 100% done and recording will start soon. I'm cautiously hopeful they won't get in any kind of trouble.

So what, exactly, are the rules for non-film Star Trek fan productions, and how can one avoid being C&D'd over it?
M'Ress - Sat, 01 Apr 2017 16:58:38 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's probably purely based on how much money your production is making and how much CBS/Paramount thinks they can make from suing you. Low-key webcomics and poorly made youtube films will probably never be targeted, but it will probably up to the caprice and greed of their lawyers exactly how high profile your production needs to be to get sued.

I mean, the fact that they left Excelsior alone while going after Axanar says as much. It's worse because it generates a grey area. On the other hand, if they never go after another one after Axanar, or at least for a long time, that will be able to be used in court as an argument that they had allowed certain elements to pass into free use.
General K'Trelan - Sun, 02 Apr 2017 16:33:39 EST ID:Rk0yCV+e No.58616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
its easy
make a fan thing
distribute it for free online like how you pirate shit
don't put your name on it

Tom Paris Episode by Tom Paris - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:25:55 EST ID:QJgC6Nig No.58398 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What is your favorite Tom Paris episode?

I like 'Investigations' S2Ep20 because it's really stupid.
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Noonian Soong - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 00:48:35 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.58465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love how they say it's like retro historical shit based on entertainment of the time but in reality it's just a commando cody ripoff and they didn't even change the suit aside from forgetting about the jetpack. Nothing about captain proton came from any other short.
Captain Braxton - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:47:01 EST ID:n8McU5oH No.58492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The robot is from some other Republic stuff, isn't it?
Charles Tucker III - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:11:37 EST ID:YG+QS2zS No.58510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Zombies of the Stratosphere
with Leonard Nimoy as Narab
Grand Nagus Zek - Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:29:18 EST ID:K6pRQ8/j No.58535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no doubt that robot showed up in a lot fo things. They weren't shy about reusing things back then.
Guinan - Thu, 30 Mar 2017 20:08:52 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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They aren't shy in Star trek either, they're just more refined and subtle

You see this bad boy in every single series but TOS and DS9 as well as a third of the movies. Ships are reused for minor species and tools as well. They just do so much of a better job creating the illusion of immersion that you didn't see it.

Jeffrey Combs appreciation thread by Mordoc - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 07:03:29 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58358 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This is a Jeffrey Combs appreciation thread.
Why is Jeffrey Combs your favorite actor in trek, and what is your favorite iteration of Jeffrey Combs? Some favorite moments of his characters?
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Jimmy - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:04:13 EST ID:oasQNe6u No.58445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Yeah go ahead and bash the comic relief character.
I don't understand this comment.

Either Shran is comic relief which I didn't get. Or you think I'm bashing him for the amount of scenery he chews?
Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:04:01 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.58456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I did assume "maximum ham" was a negative connotation, and I do view Shran a comic relief yes, you mileage may differ.
Private E Hamboyan - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:17:35 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly, with exception of perhaps Stewart and in flashes Brooks, none of the acting in Trek is delivered with true gravitas, it's delivered in a hammy way. I mean nobody chews the scenery like Bill Shatner, and he's the very type of Trek itself. For as many actors Nimoy inspired, he is really hamming his way through the whole show tbh. Same with any of the others.

Combs is brilliant because he is obviously very conscious of it. He's a genre actor, but he leans into it beautifully. I think his scenery-chewage is a big part of his appeal, but I feel that way about the campy-ness of the acting in Trek in general.
Robert Wesley - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:51:35 EST ID:NPNM2/gB No.58497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At times he's amusing but yeah I love how over the top he is. He's an alien not a human. And yes, it's not super fine acting but it's a masterclass in doing what works with the show really well.

Shran was there to provide an opposite to the vulcans. He singlehandedly make the Andorians perfect enemies and perfect allies for the vulcans by being everything they are not. He feigns annoyance when he instantly likes and trusts Archer (mostly) he screws him over but does not begrudge the turnaround when Archer gets him back. The vulcans held humans back for decades, in the alternate timeline where enterprise failed Shran gives the last humans shield tech and it's his seething blue man who makes it all work.
r-e-b-a-r-t - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:30:03 EST ID:L51DfOC9 No.58499 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Definitely Weyoun, but I enjoy Brunt too. Weyoun is just so sly and shifty, and it's hilarious when his patience is tried. His expressions and jibes when dealing with Damar are priceless, especially when he looks accusingly at Damar as he says his Weyoun 5 died in a mysterious transporter accident, and Damar's knowing expression as he casually denies it.

Thanks Star Trek by I.G. Tarah - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:40:17 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58281 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Due to spending too much time on the internet on political debates or talking about social justice for the longest time my entire outlook on life was fucked up, only in black and white. After watching a lot of Star Trek over the past few months, I feel like I'm not really weird for thinking that there's hope.

I mean yeah we probably won't ever have starships or anything like that, but it's really the fact that there is something out there that says that humanity has good instead of everyone and their mother saying that humanity sucks and will kill themselves, regardless of whether it's true or they're just saying it so senpai can notice them and have sex with them.

Maybe it was because it was a different era but I dunno I guess I'm just tired of seeing pessimism everywhere and shit. I'm not saying we should vomit rainbows 24/7 but we shouldn't be vomitting shit 24/7 either.

I don't know what else to say but thanks Roddenberry for creating this magnificent franchise.
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Subcommander Velal - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:40:42 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Definitely Sulu, since the cats also have the same kind of facial features as the characters:
Kirk: Golden god even features pure American cat
Spock: Refined, sharp, angled features, god-tier ears
McCoy: Old, gruzzled, round faced and rough around the edges
Scott: A blobby scottish pile
Sulu: Sharp, dignified, angular features cat, rather than what would be our Chekov cat, pic related (but with black hair)
Dexter Remmick - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:34:01 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is there any other series out there that has an optimistic outlook on humanity like Star Trek? It doesn't have to be sci-fi either.
Lysia Arlin - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:35:34 EST ID:Iv0NusqN No.58335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Excellent work captain
Admiral Cartwright - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:05:15 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.58336 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Dexter Remmick - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:59:42 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh yeah, I recall the original being a bit optimistic, dunno if the remake is the same in that regard tried watching an episode of that and it was kinda bleh. Knight Rider as well to a certain extent, or maybe it was the cheese.

Bump when Watching III by Joseph Sisko - Sun, 03 Apr 2016 18:28:41 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53706 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Stumbled across Samaritan Snare and realized we did not have a BWW thread as of late.

>We need things that make us go

Always loved the Pakleds, first for the obvious nod in the name (pack-led) and that they are basically space autists

Anyway, bump whenever you are watching star trek or see it on somewhere.
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Kalita - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:47:15 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Voyager subtly plays with the idea that different species go to an afterlife specific to them (it's not the most original idea, it's like saying that Christians go to Christian heaven, Muslims go to Muslim heaven, etc.)

Although in the same way it kind of pulls the punch, leaving it up to you to decide whether it's suggesting this is what actually happens to people when they die, or just that people's expectations build a heaven in the near-death state (which is the issue in real life too) :

>B'Elanna goes to Klingon hell, gets angry
>Neelix DOESN'T go to the Great Forest, is greatly disappointed
>Those aliens who, when they died, went to live in that planet's rings as energy

And then of course 'Coda'...so we can say that either there is or isn't an afterlife in Star Trek, but if there is, each species/religion has a unique one. So that means either that all humans are always only eaten by the Coda dude -- that our afterlife in particular and perhaps afterlives in general are actually bunk and just ways for energetic beings to eat our life force after we're done with it...

...or that (and this is the one I prefer) that was just some freaky Delta quadrant alien who attacked Janeway in particular, and all the stuff he said was just lies to trick her.

This guy: True eventual devourer of your immortal soul or just a lying dipshit -- you decide.
Trentin Fala - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:51:47 EST ID:X3s+WNvl No.58344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know, Voyager is actually surprisingly good. That's the best way to describe it. Surprisingly good. Every time.
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 17:15:27 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
With everything I've heard about it, I was certainly not expecting to enjoy it as much as I am. I wouldn't call it the best, but it's hardly the worst either. Though, I'm finding season 5 to be pretty poor overall.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 21:09:41 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.58355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have a secret theory that Neelix is actually the Caretaker Array alien, and that he spends his many many many years spying on aliens across the galaxy, and abducts ships for the purpose of riding them back all the way to their home system. Everything that happens in Voyager that is weird and has no real explanation is just Neelix fucking with them to make things interesting.

So for this episode, he was basically doing the Nagilum thing to learn about how each species on Voyager would deal with experiencing their particular afterlife.
Guinan - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:01:55 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That is some juicy headcanon, but god it makes so much sense

Robert Beltran: "The Prime Directive is fascist crap" by Mot - Wed, 07 Sep 2016 17:31:02 EST ID:/Ead/aA8 No.56073 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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> Get Beltran going, and he'll grumble about just about anything related to Star Trek.
> He even rails against the show's "Prime Directive," a guiding principle that prohibits Starfleet characters from interfering with the development of alien civilizations.
>"The idea of leaving any species to die in its own filth when you have the ability to help them, just because you wanna let them get through their normal evolutionary processes is bunk -- it's a bunch of fascist crap," he said.


Obviously none of us care what Robert Beltran thinks, I'm using the article as more of a framing device for a larger discussion about the Prime Directive. Personally I agree with his opinion and kind of felt vindicated when I saw this story. I never liked the Prime Directive, especially how they always try to portray it as some noble principle when it's literally just "fuck you, I got mine" enshrined in law.
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 23:45:13 EST ID:1N2CNdZ1 No.58280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
technological uplifting isn't the only part of the Prime Directive though.
Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:04:46 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.58303 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>klingons be flyin around going "I am undefeated in this sector"
Hikaru Sulu - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:17:55 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.58308 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>This conceptual law applies particularly to civilizations which are below a certain threshold of technological, scientific and cultural development; preventing starship crews from using their superior technology to impose their own values or ideals on them.

Commander Dolim - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:00:03 EST ID:6K1URstf No.58310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's fitting that Robert Beltran would think less of the prime directive given how Chipotle was a Maquis. More importantly, watch the intro to VOY season 2 episode 14. He explains his view a bit.
Lwaxana Troi - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 11:47:12 EST ID:xy5uBKLm No.58353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd never thought about klingons love of blades, I just assumed it was to do with it being showy and dramatic as befits their culture. However what you're saying also makes perfect sense. It's one of those things which doesn't contradict or re write anything and actually further explains something so it's going in my head canon.

Terms of Service by Nava - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 12:56:40 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.58069 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Do y'all think that TOS is a little underrated on this board? I don't see many of the cast topping the lists in the Ranking or the All-Franchise Crew threads. Most of the headcanons I'm reading here don't seem to concern the series very much either (possibly cause it has so many one-off plots, but I digress.)

I'm not a trekkie by nature, I enjoy it just like any other good TV show. But I've slowly completed all the series, and came away with what I assume are the usual criticisms: everyone is so best of the best in TNG that it's hard to do conflict based in character flaw (outside of Worf), DS9 is fantastic but lacks the frontier motif that's in other Treks, VOY has its moments but is mostly mishandled, and ENT starts with a bang, then gets really boring, then good again, then shittily ended. But still the only criticism I can levy against TOS is that there are retarded 60s camp episodes - but unlike bad episodes in other series, they still charm the pants off of me.

Is my reverence for TOS just me being a casual? Cause you guys seem to enjoy it well enough, but it places like, 3rd for most of you.
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Christopher Brynner - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:30:56 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.58256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm a good 15 episodes deep and so far the episodes are on par with TOS
Lee - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:09:31 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yesteryear is the only episode to be singled out as canon no matter the state of the rest of TAS. I really liked The Slaver Weapon too.
Q - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 23:22:50 EST ID:A5YDQ4Hp No.58259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love TOS OP. Kirk stops dramatically pausing in his dialogue over the years though, which is a pretty big disappointment.
Q - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 23:24:36 EST ID:A5YDQ4Hp No.58260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Find the episode where Spock goes to Vulcan. Good TAS
Commander Dolim - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:42:26 EST ID:JpsWdQPO No.58264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS did the "wrapping current events in alien clothing and presenting it in a way that's thought provoking and meaningful" schtick very well. I think it would have been better of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga had emulated TOS more instead of diverging in their own ways philosophically, at least concentrating on this theme a bit more.

They did it a little bit with enterprise (Suleiban being treated as prisoners of war mirroring Guantanamo) but it wasn't as subtle or nuanced as the way it was done in ToS.

Also, some people call it sexist or dated fashion, but the female uniforms were better.

Mirror universe. by Empress Janeway. - Mon, 16 Jan 2017 01:47:59 EST ID:3C6F7SB9 No.57668 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Should the new Star Trek series of movies ever explore the mirror universe? This has hardly been touched on. There was the one TOS ep, Enterprise, but this is not enough. I want more of the Terran Empire. I want to know what happened to the empire after a long time. What is it like in the Voyager timeline? Has a terran ship ever been transported to the delta quadrant by the Caretaker?
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Guinan - Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:41:36 EST ID:cO8e4/0q No.58167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's the closest VOY gets to the mirror universe, like in Yesterday's Enterprise for TNG

It's also the final canon episode chronologically, taking place ~700 years after Nemesis
Lorian - Thu, 02 Mar 2017 07:05:21 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.58169 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Very true. It for sure felt like mirror ep at the start. Evil Kim shatters your perceptions as he becomes more gay than he already was.
Joseph Sisko - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 20:44:53 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.58172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Major/Genera/Emperor/whoever Grin TNG Recuts are pretty close to a mirror universe Trek. Where everything is the most hedonistic, violent, and evil it can be, especially Picard.
Guinan - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 22:48:24 EST ID:OLPp7laY No.58194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hate YouTube for denying my lulz.. I need to get in touch with Grin and buy one of his DVDs, his shit is hilarious
Greskrendtregk - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:42:39 EST ID:EmP7pF1Y No.58236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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While the former and the latter are both prevailing stereotypes, ultimately they are both correct and incorrect. America DOES have a legacy of sexual not quite 'repression', but certainly a bit more congruent of the concept of innocence, so not necessarily because they are anti-fun police, or that Americans are prudes. One has to understand though that innocence was a very treasured concept - not even hundreds of years ago, you were considered an adult more or less at 12-14, variously. The sexual repression may look obstentatious now, but really, globally, culture is a lot more cognizant of adolescence. Back when the Puritans formed (in a wider sense, part of the Reformation, and the European Wars of Religion), it wasn't exactly unknown poor girls could and would be prostitutes at 12, and no one in society really batted an eye. While it wasn't doctrinally part of their platform, it was part of a noble wider platform that children should have time to grow up. If anything, American moral puritanism is more a result of social gospel/revivalist movements arising in the 1800s and 1900s.

While there is an element of repressiveness, one also has to remember American has the biggest porn industry in the world by far, American popular culture is always pushing against what 'can be' shown, and in some ways is the most degenerate in the scale and depth of what can be shown.

A way to understand this would be that America largely doesn't do things in half measures. There isn't really moderation. Very dualistic, so in sense, that's why it can be both true that America is the most prudish and yet also the most libertine of the Western world.

Now, how does that relate to the Trek question? First, for any issues about sex=bad, blame Roddenberry, he gave off that light in Mirror Mirror. It's not the sex that is more often in the Mirror universe, necessarily. First though, remember, for the most part we're seeing the Terran Empire, or it's Remnants - so what is culturally endemic or left behind in their former space isn't necessarily a galactic truth. What seems more evident is that there less cutting to the chase of power dynamics, and a seemingly more upfront attitude to proclaiming desire. The scale or power is no different than our world, it's just the mode of presentation is different. If you know any couple out there in our world, and are privy to their secrets, often you know they get up to some ridiculously kinky shit. Even 'average' people. It just seems it's a bit more open in general. There's less beating around the bush. Even Terran fashion tends to reflect it, with instead of the hide-and-seek of how we dress and use our imagination to fill in the blanks in our world, there the cultural expression seems to be presenting you the goods (and thus, truth) upfront, and leaving it to you from there, yet still being presentable and functional. Both men and women's clothes express power more in the MU, and an element of mystery/danger. You can see it in the sharper angles, the shorter hemlines, strategic empty space, wider useage of capes and sashes and other nicknacks, higher collars, lower necklines, tighter fabric, etc etc. My point is it's just a different mode of presentation.
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