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Revisiting Trek by Commander Morag - Fri, 03 Jul 2015 11:08:50 EST ID:SR/Xb2mW No.50680 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I watched Voyager as a teen, and TNG would air sometimes as well. Those are the series I am familiar with. I love the adventure vibe, of encountering new planets and species and ways of life. I don't need flashy space battles, just good storytelling, compelling scenes, and character depth/growth. So I want to get back into the Trek universe that I really enjoyed escaping to as a kid.

I am not sure what I am asking here, just your thoughts on where it is best to revisit Star Trek again. I have never seen Deep Space 9, or any other later series. Just most/all of Voyager, and TNG scattered throughout the years.
Li Nalas - Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:49:33 EST ID:v6udpYgP No.50682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS can be pretty quirky at times but it fits the bill. DS9 does have big space battles and politics but it also has superb story telling and character shizz. I'd say in general TNG and DS9 are better than voyager. ENT is more consistent than VOY, when voyager sucked, oh boy did it blow but when it was good it was the match of DS9 and TNG. TNG is a bit ropey for the first couple of seasons. But bear with it.
Ensign Robin Lefler - Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:09:31 EST ID:X3s+WNvl No.50683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My personal ranking of the Treks:

>1. TNG
Undisputed king. Even though the first few seasons are shit compared to the later ones, even those are better than any of the other Treks. TNG has brilliant actors, brilliant characters, brilliant art and most of all, it has some amazingly deep philosophical episodes with various moral issues, ethical dilemmas and parralels with modern problems in the world.

There's also plenty of action, story development, character development, political developments, etc. It really progresses throughout the series. It's such an amazing bundle of everything, it's just obscenely good.

>2. Voyager
Take TNG and add the fact that it's a spin-off, add a bit more action and story and flashy animations and take away brilliant actors and replace them with good/very good ones, and you have Voyager.

The premise is great, stranded on the other side of the galaxy, trying to get home. There's a good mix of exciting story (the progress towards home) and a bit of that essential Star Trek philosophy. You can clearly tell which episodes are action/story based and which episodes are philosophical/scientific.

There's quite a few episodes that are basically shit, badly written and inconsistent with the storyline, but the good ones more than make up for it. The actor to watch is Jeri Ryan. 99% of viewers just see her tits and blonde hair, but she's actually a brilliant actress and there are several episodes where she is just so stunningly good. Well worth the watch.

>3. TOS
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Senator Kimara Cretak - Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:21:52 EST ID:GgYQlPHu No.50685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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TOS and earlier TNG are the most kind of childlike about exploring. Voyager and later TNG gets bogged down with too much fake-Trek science problems and increasingly artificial versions of the "morality play" that made Trek famous.

Voyager, Enterprise and DS9 have way more space battle action as well due to CGI becoming increasingly more powerful. DS9 and even Voyager to some extent still used real models as well, which is sick. I'm of the opinion that DS9 gets WAY too pew pew, to the point they had to sacrifice a Star Trek staple: the shields for budgetary/technical reasons.

TNG is the gold standard though, especially seasons 3, 4, and 5. Season 3 and 4 might have a total of three bad episodes between them. No other series can boast that really.

TOS is dope as hell, it's a different kind of show though. The best kind of 60s TV though.

DS9 similarly has really good seasons 3, 4 and 5. With the build up to and start of the Dominion war. IMO it drags on too long after that though.

Voyager is spotty at best throughout its run. There are some absolute classic episodes in there, but you'll have to sift through a lot of crappy writing to get there.

Enterprise is even spottier. It does pick up, just as most Treks other than TOS did: from the 3rd season. It's kind of too bad they didn't keep it going. Cause if they could have killed off some of the weaker characters T'Pol and her southern belle of a boyfriend they could have had something really special for a Star Trek series.
Regeneration is my third favorite Borg episode of the whole of trek including First Contact.
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Star Trek cultures by Jake Sisko - Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:46:48 EST ID:X3s+WNvl No.50644 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Man what is it about them fucking... impressive and glorious Klingons that makes them so intriguing

Those Cardassians which have a some "Ottoman Empire" about them, and have this intriguing attitude

Those Vulcans and their impressive abilities that make them seem like yoga masters

Those fucking sneaky Romulans and their little plans, tactics, sly as foxes

Then there's the Federation of course which is just so goddamn, consistent. Everything conforms to such a recognizable system of morals, starship design, interior design... holy hell

How the fuck is Star Trek so fucking good at producing immersive cultures? Fucking damn
Julius Eaton - Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:34:14 EST ID:7hu6jn3I No.50645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Federation of course which is just so goddamn, consistent. Everything conforms to such a recognizable system of morals, starship design, interior design... holy hell

The Federation is Communist World Government.
Majh - Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:20:57 EST ID:B+vCWR+j No.50647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Not mentioning the glorious and vast holdings of the Kazon
Kessick - Thu, 02 Jul 2015 19:35:16 EST ID:RvwIBv2v No.50664 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nistrum pls go
Senator Kimara Cretak - Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:11:46 EST ID:GgYQlPHu No.50668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Romulans have way more women shown in positions of power than any other race including the Federation.

TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NOMADS GONE BEFORE by Administrator V'Las - Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:09:04 EST ID:ALzkBYK2 No.50454 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I just finished TOS. Besides all the obvious face palms shit was better than most of the garbage on tv nowadays. imo Star Trek is super psychedelic, what with all the colors and general mind fuckery. I dont understand how its considered nerdy. The shows got nothin but hot babes, aliens, and tech how can one go wrong. Then again Im part of an entirely new generation so theres that. My favorite episode has to be "The Way to Eden" and my favorite character is Nurse Chapel. The one question I have is whats goin on with Spock, as in whats the philosophical meaning behind him. Hes supposed to be God or like the Devil right. In any case he could have easily ran a starship solo.
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Ikat'ika - Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:57:44 EST ID:GgYQlPHu No.50466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Trek is for nerds comes from the late 70s and 80s. When it first came on, it was good wholesome family entertainment. Then it was for hippie weed heads/Vietnam protesters in syndication. But then the nerds took over.

Classic SNL sketch from 1986:
DaiMon Bok - Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:32:16 EST ID:WEIxubKo No.50478 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mfw I watched this the night it first aired
Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Fri, 19 Jun 2015 13:17:59 EST ID:ALzkBYK2 No.50481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
whats the combination. lol, that was hilarious
Tora Ziyal - Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:02:15 EST ID:GgYQlPHu No.50482 Ignore Report Quick Reply

For some reason they're all wearing TOS uniforms in this really weird sketch.
Governor Torak - Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:46:07 EST ID:X3s+WNvl No.50585 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Star Trek is loosely based on Aristotle's ethics of virtue, where he invisioned a society where people would be driven by their innate virtues, seeking them out to benefit both themselves and everyone around them. Roddenberry tried to depict that vision of the world with Star Trek.

It is also a vision shared by many users of psychedelics. It just fits in perfectly with the counter-culture movement and it's remotely possible that Roddenberry had some LSD/psilocybin/mescaline himself, which he got some inspiration from. He definitely wouldn't be the first.

You know it by Dr. T'Pan - Sun, 21 Jun 2015 11:44:15 EST ID:7FCgzHsD No.50494 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>TOS? Yeah it's great. It's a little campy but it was made in the '60's. The third season has some shitty episodes though.
>TNG Is great, you just have to power through the first two plus seasons of mostly shit with a few great episodes, then around season three it gets great!
>Voyager? Well it's enjoyable but a lot of the characters are written inconsistently. I mean, I appreciate it as further exploration of the basic star trek formula with a few tweaks, and it's enjoyable but it has problems, including having one of the only episodes to later be classified as "so bad it isn't canon anymore." Thank Rod for the bald guy.
>ENT? Starts out kind of shitty but by the last two season after the time travel bullshit it finds it's footing and shows some real promise, shame it got cancelled or it might have gotten really great.

>Well, it's a little slow until the war starts up.
DS9 knew exactly what it was supposed to be from day one. It has like maybe four episodes that could be considered genuinely "shitty" (and only because they came out in the 90's where they had higher standards to compete against, a shitty DS9 ep is about as good as a mediocre TOS episode if you judge them objectively) And the the whole rest of the catalog never gets any worse than a mediocre TNG episode. And When it's good it's as good or better than Trek has ever been.

We can argue until time stops about which series is the best one overall, but it's undeniable that DS9 was the most consistently good week after week, for seven seasons, until it ended.
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Legate Porania - Wed, 24 Jun 2015 13:37:25 EST ID:2+GUARLD No.50529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Bashir and O'Brien were only a man-crush. Garak was the real love of Bashir's life.

Needs a spinoff for them as a girly soapy comics.
Temporal Agent Daniels - Thu, 25 Jun 2015 06:31:35 EST ID:wG10QqBc No.50537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the eugenics wars where augments tore large swathes of the world through the wringer, and the sheer failure rate of augmentations : look at the jack pack

>Keeping up with the Cardassians:
Garak and Bashir finally get together but have to hide their relationship when they go to help reconstruction on post-war Cardassia
Kotan Pa'Dar - Thu, 25 Jun 2015 08:23:12 EST ID:GgYQlPHu No.50538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I thought the "Jack Pack" were like that because they were going to unlicensed geneticists. Scrambled their eggs.
Simon Tarses - Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:14:12 EST ID:LTCkgeu+ No.50566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah they got Space Future 3rd World Tranny Surgery
Governor Torak - Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:13:28 EST ID:X3s+WNvl No.50580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It depends on what you like about Star Trek. It has a strong philosophical background (it's actually inspired by Aristotle's ethics of virtue) and that is what you see the most in TOS, a great deal in TNG and VOY, and almost none of it in DS9

DS9 is great, it really is, but compared to the other treks it's more of a soap opera, more action and romance and less "issues" and dilemmas.

red alert freak out by Brathaw - Wed, 24 Jun 2015 13:47:20 EST ID:/x6GHgiZ No.50530 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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when red alert comes on, the ships get dark and there is a lot of red light shining. this is dramatic for the audience, but is it a good idea for the crew to work in low lighting with ominous vibes? would this not create a sense of panic and urgency, when the time calls for calm, organized thinking in a crisis?
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Ensign Robin Lefler - Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:57:22 EST ID:/x6GHgiZ No.50540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thoughtful responses! Thanks, guys.
Kono - Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:30:41 EST ID:2+GUARLD No.50541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>this, and it reduces glare on those polished, shiny consoles
Sounds like bad engineering decisions were made at early stages.
Q - Fri, 26 Jun 2015 04:27:48 EST ID:4EsGQ/jV No.50544 Ignore Report Quick Reply

And it gets you ready for a fight in case you get boarded. And it probably saves power for the rest of the ship's systems by keeping the bare essential lights running.
Ranjen Solbor - Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:06:19 EST ID:KXDPy8fm No.50547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This. The US Navy does this everywhere when general quarters is called (irl yellow/red alert)

If those lights go out, you still have your nightvision to navigate the decks with. But the light is bright enough so that if you pop a hatch and go outside, you won't be blinded to fucking death by the sun (which is 99% of the time out if you're at sea). It apparently also brightens certain colors and screens used by USN systems.

I know they're in space and all but it still seems a good idea for the nightvision in case they lose power to lights, and to help them concentrate on their consoles.

>source: was on a navy carrier for a little while
Yeggie - Sat, 27 Jun 2015 01:58:02 EST ID:4MbviPF5 No.50555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Filthy sailor, always going from port to port.

Dr. McCoy is a drug addict by B'Elanna Torres - Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:21:13 EST ID:ALzkBYK2 No.50421 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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90% of the time he's shooting people up with "stimulants" and is constantly drinking
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Mezoti - Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:44:25 EST ID:LVPIhejK No.50502 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>implying you could stand to take a hit off of The Teacher.
Curzon Dax - Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:11:01 EST ID:2+GUARLD No.50514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>90% of the time he's shooting people up with "stimulants" and is constantly drinking

Sounds like typical military field medic.
Latha Mabrin - Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:24:04 EST ID:DSN17R2q No.50532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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When both you Captain and Second in Command are batshit crazy what what else can you do?
Legate Damar - Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:56:27 EST ID:3vSTm+dQ No.50533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Scotty is also nuttier than a fruitcake sometimes, especially around women. A Sulu is real quick to go full swashbuckler on you at any time. Uhura fucking sings almost at least once a season. Nothing can stop her. Not even a fucking brain erasing NOMAD probe on a mission to sterilize.

>Space Happy

this is not ever revisited after The Man Trap, but wtf is Space Happy?

Did the whole crew suffer from this syndrome, permanently? Is it a dark side effect of space travel never fully acknowledged? Life in space means a possible death being sucked out of a hull breech or turned into a salt polygon. Does Space Happiness make this easier to deal with?

blown, sir
Senator Kimara Cretak - Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:46:06 EST ID:ALzkBYK2 No.50539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As far as I know Space Happy is similar to Channel Fever or Cabin Fever. Some people are more susceptible than other but it affects everyone in some way.

Finished TNG by Lauren - Mon, 11 May 2015 15:35:51 EST ID:dFVs2YcK No.50019 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've watched all of TNG, and DS9.

ToS bores me to tears, and Voyager... what episodes are worth watching? I watched it all before but its been a while so what the hell I'll do the good ones.
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Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Wed, 17 Jun 2015 16:58:18 EST ID:Leuzgeic No.50470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
she should have been thrown in prison when she returned to the alpha quadrant but all that sweet sweet tech man.
Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:15:32 EST ID:GgYQlPHu No.50473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Doing wrong shit in the field and getting away with it is how you become a Starfleet Admiral. Of course continuing to do wrong shit as an admiral usually results in death or demotion, so the system works itself out.
Thomas Riker - Fri, 19 Jun 2015 04:26:43 EST ID:Leuzgeic No.50480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
mmm troi looking good there. Better than cake troi.
Arne Darvin - Tue, 23 Jun 2015 23:19:44 EST ID:U/MEF9DT No.50522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I liked the Cheers crossover episode more.
Admiral William J Ross - Wed, 24 Jun 2015 09:13:30 EST ID:BUMEz16R No.50528 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The bits and bobs on that cop's uniform make me think he's wearing an Enterprise outfit every time I scroll past, and it actually makes me stop. Damnit OP.

'Star Trek': The Story of the Most Daring Cliffhanger in 'Next Generation' History by Admiral Cartwright - Wed, 24 Jun 2015 03:55:33 EST ID:7FCgzHsD No.50525 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Nice little article about the best of both worlds and its place in television history. Apparently Locutus turns 25 this year.
Admiral Cartwright - Wed, 24 Jun 2015 03:56:14 EST ID:7FCgzHsD No.50526 Ignore Report Quick Reply

And forgot the link:
Charles Tucker III - Wed, 24 Jun 2015 08:02:19 EST ID:51MxDeCg No.50527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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that was a pretty good read

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