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Bump when Watching III by Joseph Sisko - Sun, 03 Apr 2016 18:28:41 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Stumbled across Samaritan Snare and realized we did not have a BWW thread as of late.

>We need things that make us go

Always loved the Pakleds, first for the obvious nod in the name (pack-led) and that they are basically space autists

Anyway, bump whenever you are watching star trek or see it on somewhere.
Joseph Sisko - Sun, 03 Apr 2016 18:46:07 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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it just occurred to me that Neelix is kind of a flamboyant fuzzy gamma quadrant Pakled.

Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 04 Apr 2016 04:58:18 EST ID:X2ZZqSVU No.53712 Report Quick Reply
Wow that pic is fucking terrifying.
Mot - Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:09:48 EST ID:UlBtUPAA No.53721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
DaiMon Solok - Tue, 05 Apr 2016 20:58:02 EST ID:aQZi/3lR No.53729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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been binging all of sfdebris' reviews for the past two days
Gregory Quinn - Tue, 05 Apr 2016 22:44:39 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.53730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Pulling through ENT at the moment. It's my goal to watch all Trek in order of star date.
Going to be straight up through TOS but it will get interesting once I get half way through TNG when I gotta mix it up with the other spin offs.

Any way. Why does Archer lumber around like a retard when ever he speaks.
Slow, stiff, wide paced, lumbering steps. The more I go on the more I think star fleet didn't catch a mental dissability before giving him the ship. Archer is pretty stupid not counting for the pre prime directive and space faring exp seen in TNG.
TOS had some learning points too, see balance of power.
Tallera - Tue, 05 Apr 2016 22:50:05 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.53731 Ignore Report Quick Reply

If starfleets mental health checks were so poor that they let Broccoli on the Enterprise-D in TNG era imagine how terrible they were in ENT era.
Tokath - Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:35:20 EST ID:bKHVXNH0 No.53733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've always loved the fan-canon idea that Archer was such a fucking embarrassment to Starfleet that they buried the records and thats why nothing in ENT is ever talked about in later shows.
Guinan - Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:51:27 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.53735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've never heard that but its brilliant

They could have the Earth/Romulan war be entirely his fault or something

but he still gets promoted to admiral lol
Gregory Quinn - Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:56:16 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.53736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the romulan war was mentioned in TOS. But I remember them saying no visual records because no view screens or what ever. That fan canon is pretty solid.
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Wed, 06 Apr 2016 05:38:20 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53737 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The D was a test platform for new command structures and formats.

Broccoli was an inside job.
Q - Wed, 06 Apr 2016 16:51:04 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.53741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They just had no visual record with the Romulans during that war. Hell, they didn't even establish visual communication in Balance of Terror...the Enterprise just picked up the dramatic camera feed of their bridge.
Q - Wed, 06 Apr 2016 16:52:46 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.53742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Until the very end
Lon Suder - Fri, 08 Apr 2016 14:48:17 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.53765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
still on my star date in order run. Trudging through the xindi season. Seriously mid stride it goes "ok taking too long" last time on ENT they solved some shit and suddenly now the weapon. But then not a handful of eps later things just start taking forever again.

I guess they are still trying to make a point of how slow the first enterprise was but really the 3-4 eps of, WE GOIN TO RISA was too much. Ignoring the pre established canon that risa is only a vacation planet because of federation weather contol.
Gilora Rejal - Fri, 08 Apr 2016 16:11:01 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.53766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Glad to know you're watching it by star date! Just wait til you get to season 4 of ENT!
Simon Tarses - Sat, 09 Apr 2016 05:44:37 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ENT season three has E2, which recycles one of my favorites star trek tropes.


Maybe Risa 1 was destroyed during the Romulan/Earth war and the Risa from TNG is a historical recreation, akin to Paris/France on earth. (which, in my head canon, is a recreation of a city lost to WWIII, repopulated by british french).
Commander Tebok - Sat, 09 Apr 2016 06:37:34 EST ID:ajGNdr+g No.53773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>WE GOIN TO RISA was too much. Ignoring the pre established canon that risa is only a vacation planet because of federation weather contol.
I'm pretty sure it perfectly fits the narrative if Risa had seasonal tourism before they got weather control and seismic regulators. It would even make sense for them to invest into these technologies when already an established tourist world, not the other way around.
It can also mean that before the TNG area Risa had somewhat of another image, more adventurous, and that is what made it become popular later on because they could maintain that brand to make it seem like despite all high tech comfort it's still an adventure.
Simon Tarses - Sat, 09 Apr 2016 19:08:05 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching that episode from TNG where riker is shagging the girl who's secretly an immortal assassin. The one with the gatherers.

Actually fucking love this episode. TNG in its stride.
EMH MARK 2 - Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:17:52 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.53791 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Season 3 TNG, even the bad episodes are pretty tight.
Persis - Mon, 11 Apr 2016 04:07:06 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.53794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hitting that arc in ENT about the augments. Spiner is too good an actor for this. Casually throwing in hints of data just with personality. Even speaks in a similar way.
Jossen - Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:32:52 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53798 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Just started season 13 of Gunsmoke. This is the second season in color, and the third or fourth season of hour long episodes. They seem to have cut out Thad, but he was kind of a Mayweather character anyway, more of a young-faced cardboard standee than a person.

This season first aired in 1967/68, the same year as a certain other show premiered.

Up this this point, a lot of Star Trek actors have been in Gunsmoke episodes. Shat, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan, Muldaur, Ansara... and more I am sure I have not noticed.

nb because not really star trek.
Kimara Cretak - Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:02:39 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.53820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Got passed the major arcs of ENT. About time. I really hate the modern all encompasing story arc tv shows get these days. Part of what made trek, trek, is that the issue of the ep was resolved, or if not it comes up much later when needed in another story. The one off adventures made it seem more like there was a bunch going on you don't see.

Ent seems like every one on the ship just lives at their post. One day to the next it's all go go go with the same problem you saw last ep.

So it's the quantum transporter ep. Putting star fleet in moth balls. Ignorant fool, need ships to go places to build pads/ defend owned worlds. But what I find most funny. Usually in trek the new face on the ship interacts with the crew and some thing he says or does at some point gets the dramatic music que and a worried look from one of the officers. But the guy is all, nah that's cool tucker, I'll install it my self. que dramatic music and worried look. Oh shit this guy is trouble.
Ghee P'Trell - Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:02:59 EST ID:PeKnhBXD No.53825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bumping because a wild PatStew appeared, while browsing Youtube:
>Restoring Bambi - 1942 - 35mm Film Negative Restoration Process [2005]
Commander Donatra - Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:36:04 EST ID:oUKCjBls No.53826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I guess you aren't a fan of DS9.
Dr. Yuris - Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:18:17 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.53827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DS9 was pretty cutting edge for trying the whole multi-episode arc thing in the mid 90s.

It's almost certainly a product of DS9 being produced in syndication as opposed to being tied down to a network. Cause Voyager was a premise even MORE ripe for being a continual story than DS9 was, but they went in the exact opposite direction with it.

TNG had plenty of "arcs" too, but they were usually kept to one or two episodes per season. Though they had some shorter loose arcs in TNG as well, with the whole Klingon succession crisis arc that stretched over a few seasons and was impacted by several outside episodes as well.
Tavek - Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:21:40 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.53834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Agreed. I did like DS9 even though they had that heavy long arc in the end. And TNG does it well. Some elements are saved and brought up later when appropriate for character deelopment, even the klingon civil war is just Worfs character development. Take quarks character development arcs, the entire Farengi Alliance had a full of economic reform because a Farengi was a main character. Though any arc is two episodes at most during the mid season or season end/beginning.

It is really odd that voyager wasn't more like the later seasons of DS9. It would have made more sense given the situation, every moment shoudl have been tense and always dealing with the unknown and surviving. But the first season was all like, "oh dear, we can't use replicators all the time because to duterium in delta quad." but it was never really an issue when compared to another show with a similar survival element, new BSG. Forget the killer robots chasing you and just think about all the shit they had to do with their ships and people to ensure they could live as a flotilla. People died every day to basic shit like malnutrition to more intense things like machine malfunction or pilot error. The point being every mistake counted and you jst don't feel that in VOY at all.
Commander Tebok - Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:09:15 EST ID:Qo4yytmf No.53836 Ignore Report Quick Reply

There was a bunch of executive meddling where they wanted VOY to avoid being too dark, specifically no conflict between crew members. I suspect a BSG-style depressing escape would also not match with that. True they could have gone for a lighter version of it (need to search for food and fuel without people starving, for example) but the wildly inconsistent writing quality probably didn't help there.
Commander Donatra - Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:25:00 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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My take is that Voyager almost became a self-aware science fiction critique using itself as a vehicle as pastiche... At least that is where I think it really shined.

Two pieces of evidence:

  1. Pic related.

2. In the episode "Shattered", (wherein the ship is split into different times/timeliens) there is this great bit of dialog:

>JANEWAY: She's got a pulse.
>CHAKOTAY: I'm detecting an active neurogenic field. This could be the day the telepathic pitcher plant put us all into comas. Or it might be the time aliens invaded our dreams.
>JANEWAY: We've got to get them help.
>CHAKOTAY: Don't worry, we managed to get out of both situations.
DaiMon Tarr - Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:24:20 EST ID:N4VA8Xv5 No.53847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>DS9 was pretty cutting edge for trying the whole multi-episode arc thing in the mid 90s.

Not really. Wiseguy had already done it 6 years earlier. And that was a network show. It's almost certainly a product of DS9 being produced in syndication as opposed to being tied down to a network.

>As opposed to a typical crime drama series, Wiseguy was structured more like a typical soap opera would be; for example, a cycle of episodes would focus on a particular story and the story would conclude in the final episode of the cycle, which gave rise to the term story arc. Since each cycle dealt with a particular story, the episodes had a set of characters written just for those episodes. Actors such as Kevin Spacey, Ray Sharkey, and Tim Curry were among the actors who played central characters in story arcs over the course of the series.

DaiMon Tarr - Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:25:59 EST ID:N4VA8Xv5 No.53848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fucked up my copypasta. That should have been:

>DS9 was pretty cutting edge for trying the whole multi-episode arc thing in the mid 90s. It's almost certainly a product of DS9 being produced in syndication as opposed to being tied down to a network.

Not really. Wiseguy had already done it 6 years earlier. And that was a network show.
Kessick - Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:32:56 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>end of Season III

>Best of Both Worlds

What does this title mean? Is Locutus the best of the borg?

Were they going for something deeper with the title?

I haven't slept much. Sorry.
Ambassador Thoris - Sat, 16 Apr 2016 18:48:43 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.53856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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sfdebris latest video is a season 6 Voyager episode "Live Fast and Prosper" where there are con artists posing as Janeway and Tuvok. Gets massively satirical
Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:44:39 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.53869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One of my favorite episodes that I had never seen before. Fake Tuvok rocks.
Jack Crusher - Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:17:57 EST ID:6AruuVDu No.53871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do yourself a favour, Borg Binge in the following order

>Q Who
>Best of Both Worlds
>I Borg
>First Contact

It's really weird, but it does tell a compelling story.
Katogh - Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:22:54 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.53872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel like the Borg are just a plot element in Descent and aside from a couple of scenes with Hugh, it's not even a Borg story at all. And in fact it directly contradicts plot points made in First Contact, namely that the Federation doesn't trust Picard to fight the Borg when in Descent the Enterprise leads the taskforce.
Lt. JG Saavik - Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:35:24 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.53876 Ignore Report Quick Reply

In descent I thought part of the deal was they did not know they were chasing the borg until they were on site?
Ensign Robin Lefler - Mon, 18 Apr 2016 20:31:07 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.53881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No they find the Borg at the station in the teaser to part 1. They don't find out it's Lore until they land on the planet.
Broca - Tue, 19 Apr 2016 10:33:27 EST ID:vnbhKCX9 No.53890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just finished Redemption: Part 1 on TNG
Gor - Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:54:33 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.53904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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S6E10 of DS9

the most ferengi of all ferengi episodes.
Grilka - Wed, 20 Apr 2016 06:22:47 EST ID:EXdCEhpg No.53907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That ep is great. Iggy Pop is a bonus.
Lursa - Sun, 24 Apr 2016 01:24:30 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.53955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Okay the voyage of stardate order continues. Left Ent behind, thank fuck. Now for TOS, been a while here. The relative misogyny compared to the other series and other similarities to the time it was made make it seem like the Federation went through some kind of pop culture retro fad, much like an 80's themed party. Loving all the casual "other side of the galaxy" talk that goes on here.
DaiMon Solok - Sun, 01 May 2016 17:52:41 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.54083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On measure of a man. Why is this even an episode they adimited Datas service record calls him a living being not 7-8 episodes ago.
Guinan - Sun, 01 May 2016 22:48:16 EST ID:xZw3XoyR No.54089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you're watching by stardate, isn't there an episode after Tasha gets tarred and feathered lol where she is still there, just to give Wesley an anti drug PSA, thereby delaying his ascent to god hood through gay sex with the Traveler and also lots and lots of drugs
Private E Hamboyan - Mon, 02 May 2016 03:29:07 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.54094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that was right before when they find the drug dealer and heroine addict planets.
Guinan - Mon, 02 May 2016 04:21:15 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm pretty sure that was one of the drugs I put on the TCCChan with the Guinan hat in the background of the tube

Felisium? Or something? Too lazy to check memory alpha
Subcommander N'Vek - Mon, 02 May 2016 05:50:35 EST ID:qD7ioL+J No.54109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I always assumed it was felicium because that's close to "fleece" as in "these guys are being fleeced".
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 05 May 2016 16:59:36 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.54159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Season 7 episode 4

This was the best kind of filler.
Spot - Fri, 06 May 2016 17:38:28 EST ID:414MU9f7 No.54171 Ignore Report Quick Reply

was there an episode where a telepathic pitcher plant put them all into comas?
Guinan - Fri, 06 May 2016 17:55:18 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah man it was like some Moby Dick level shit
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Fri, 06 May 2016 20:44:07 EST ID:qD7ioL+J No.54173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah it wasn't really literally a pitcher plant. It was like a giant space version. Actually a way better episode than it sounds.
Guinan - Sat, 07 May 2016 03:10:09 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
s5e15, "Bliss"

I thought it was a good episode.
Gul Darhe'el - Wed, 11 May 2016 00:57:41 EST ID:lnGlEVJY No.54239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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S6E17 - Birthright: Part Two

I love to hate Worf
Admiral Alidar Jarok - Wed, 11 May 2016 11:05:24 EST ID:qbvuHKHy No.54242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Give him a break, how would you like being raised by an inferior species?
Subcommander Velal - Wed, 11 May 2016 13:50:41 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54246 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I actually just watched that like two days ago. Probably one of my top 20 VOY eps
Prinadora - Wed, 11 May 2016 14:35:27 EST ID:efXk5d6d No.54248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That image takes me back.
As I said, way better than it sounds. Good pacing, lots of twists but they all make sense, good guest character with a bittersweet ending.
Subcommander Velal - Wed, 11 May 2016 16:24:57 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54249 Ignore Report Quick Reply

that and seven is my favorite female crewman on VOY

kes was just off and tores sucks hard
Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Thu, 12 May 2016 12:34:17 EST ID:aQZi/3lR No.54277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>kes was just off

Dr. Crell Moset - Thu, 12 May 2016 16:05:25 EST ID:NnG3z1e3 No.54284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>kes was just off
Oh mate you have no idea.
Li Nalas - Thu, 12 May 2016 18:47:50 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54285 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lol no I knew about all that I just meant as a character
Koloth - Thu, 12 May 2016 20:42:55 EST ID:414MU9f7 No.54286 Ignore Report Quick Reply

and she was a good friend
Guinan - Thu, 12 May 2016 21:02:37 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Ocampa live 9 years
>Ocampa only can breed once, and from the dialog of 'Elogium', typically only have one child

Why were the caretakers trying to save this retarded panda of a race again? The entire premise of Voyager was that homeboy was trying to save these fools because he felt guilty for wrecking their shit, but it looks like their extinction was always inevitable.

And Kes as a character was weird.. but Jenifer Lien was apparently a little more weird. Hope she's doing okay.
Jannar - Thu, 12 May 2016 22:54:30 EST ID:7ixSMeHe No.54291 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It's been awhile since I watched VOY S1 but wasn't the caretaker responsible for wrecking their environment and forcing them underground which deprived them of their psychic abilities? Maybe they could flourish more properly and unrestrictedly on the surface and that kept them from going full panda like they were when VOY finds them.
Chulak - Fri, 13 May 2016 00:51:47 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54294 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Lets not forget that Kes literally turned into a stupid traveler thing and warped into another dimension where she has a penis and can molest wesley
Guinan - Fri, 13 May 2016 05:16:24 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Chulak - Fri, 13 May 2016 09:34:00 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54299 Ignore Report Quick Reply

didn't you see that episode? she goes full traveler on them, even quotes him saying something about "time, and space, and thought" bullshit that the traveler got wesley into
Thy'lek Shran - Fri, 13 May 2016 10:26:04 EST ID:CLehBZc9 No.54301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Holy fucking shit, how did I never notice that!?
Chulak - Fri, 13 May 2016 10:27:31 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54302 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lol I dunno, I'm on my first ever run of VOY so I guess it's just fresh in my mind right now
Third of Five - Tue, 24 May 2016 21:35:54 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TOS Where No Man Has Gone Before

>TOS The Enemy Within

Captain Goroth - Wed, 25 May 2016 03:00:30 EST ID:EXdCEhpg No.54528 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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TOS s3e09 - The Tholian Web.

It's okay. Not the greatest but there are worse choices out there. The spacesuits always looked like they have microphone helmets.

Plus the tie-in with the ENT mirror universe was pretty awesome
Joseph Sisko - Thu, 26 May 2016 07:43:50 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.54544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just started watching TOS.

Watch the episode where a rapidly evolving super psychic is smooshed in a pit by a boulder and left on a desolate planet and developed new headcanon.
Joseph Sisko - Thu, 26 May 2016 07:45:08 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.54545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Meant to post this pic.
Xerius - Thu, 26 May 2016 07:56:42 EST ID:NnG3z1e3 No.54546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Holy shit.
Ulis - Thu, 26 May 2016 09:33:33 EST ID:aQZi/3lR No.54547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Kor - Thu, 26 May 2016 10:27:01 EST ID:j8+0baQ/ No.54548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm watching DS9 Season 4 Ep 17, and it sucks. This is probably the worst episode I have seen on DS9 so far. Worf is put on trial for murdering innocents, and the most ridiculous case is made against him. The filming style was very unusual and I enjoyed that, but holy shit the court case is just unbelievable bullshit.
Maihar'du - Thu, 26 May 2016 13:09:40 EST ID:yUEnpn4n No.54549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah but by the time you get to the end you realise
It is unbelievable bullshit. That's the point.

I imagine the resolution of the episode improved it a bit. Though it's definitely a bit WTF in the middle.
Kor - Thu, 26 May 2016 13:39:38 EST ID:j8+0baQ/ No.54550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Mr. Worf, are you Klingon?
>Klingons like battle.
>You killed those people on purpose.

I mean, yeah, I'm glad it ended the way it did, but the whole premise was unbelievable, and we never find out how Sisko magically figured everything out.
Guinan - Thu, 26 May 2016 18:41:02 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54552 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That's a pretty badass headcanon, I'm a convert
Admiral Alidar Jarok - Fri, 27 May 2016 06:30:31 EST ID:EXW7b8LI No.54555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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just sayin'
Kira Nerys - Fri, 27 May 2016 12:53:55 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.54557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They explain how Armus comes about though...he was all the bad vibes that got extracted from a society and condensed into liquid tar form.
Roger Lemli - Fri, 27 May 2016 13:48:13 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54558 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah that is what he says.

>trusting an oil spill

>assuming 100 years as a pudding would not fuck you up
Captain Paul Rice - Fri, 27 May 2016 21:14:46 EST ID:yUEnpn4n No.54565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Plus who says he's not talking in metaphors on top of that? He probably remembers being cast out due to being evil which that guy was.

I'm not sure it's true but it's way cooler if it is.
Rekelen - Mon, 30 May 2016 15:59:54 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.54601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still doing that StarDate run. Finally getting ot the interesting part and just finished Chain of command so now DS9 starts running in between for a season and a half.

With all the cross over characters it will be more interesting to see movement of these characters between the shows. I noticed also Obrien just vanished from the enterprise in season 6. I imagine they were already filming it at the time.
Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Mon, 30 May 2016 17:54:52 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54602 Ignore Report Quick Reply

We just finished TNG over here again. Was fun in the final seasons to see more and more needless DS9 crossovers, like Quark calling Riker up and being old pals.
Lt. Darien Wallace - Tue, 31 May 2016 13:46:25 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.54608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Q-Less from DS9 comes right before Tapestry in TNG.

It's like Q got all mad after getting punched in the face and stood up by Vash so he goes to bother Picard again.
Charles Tucker III - Tue, 31 May 2016 14:46:46 EST ID:yUEnpn4n No.54609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I like the ambiguity, even with the stardate order in consideration. Usually that sort of thing is a cop out but in the end it's like a reverse christmas carol and the fact it might be Q or might just be Picard resolving his own issues just makes it more interesting.

I mean it is very out of character for him, but you just never know. Especially in the light of him just being unappreciated by Vash and Sisko.

What is certain was they had John Delancey around so they thought "lets do another while he's here".
Orator Plegg - Tue, 31 May 2016 23:21:54 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.54616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's a pretty sick connection.

I'm actually watching TNG "Half A Life" where this guy is trying to save his planet's star. And his attempt causes the star to go supernova. They totally gloss over the fact this guy created a super weapon capable of destroying an entire solar system in a matter of minutes.
M'Pella - Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:16:49 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.54621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Fri, 03 Jun 2016 20:57:10 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.54643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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TOS - Episode 8 - Miri

This is such a difficult episode to complete. My goodness.
Ensign Robin Lefler - Fri, 03 Jun 2016 21:00:06 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just watched Conscience of the King on a rewatch of TOS with the wife. She is a TNG-generation kid, so TOS is mostly lost on her. I think she is starting to dig through the pacing and the tropes to find the meat underneath.
T'Pol - Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:38:34 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Banging through some season 1 TOS while packing up to move back to the best coast.

Just finished Shore Leave, moved on to the Galileo 7.
Yeggie - Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:48:35 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.54670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just passed DS9S1E14 Progress. The Broke noses want a enw power source and have to crack open a moon to do it causing CO2 to spill out and suffocate a single farm house of three dudes. Can't do it until they leave ignoring the entire moons ecosystem, fuck that, it can die for out power but three broke noses is out of the question. Like what even the fuck?
Guinan - Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:53:04 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's bajorans for ya

Gul Dukat was right about everything
Sphere Builder - Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:02:16 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lwaxana Troi - Mon, 06 Jun 2016 12:44:43 EST ID:6KLprbx3 No.54682 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah like, this far into the future with the Federation trying to win your planet over into joining don't you think you could just, you know, be all "boy oh boy if someone gave us some super advanced quasi-someshit-magic generator to solve our world's energy crisis that is somehow inexplicably happening when we have the technology to turn energy into matter and vice-versa and super-FTL space travel capabilities then they would be fucking Ace!"

instead it's like "no let's kill an entire alive world."

fucking Bajorans.
Legate Turrel - Wed, 08 Jun 2016 07:54:32 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Voyager Season 7 Episode 5 Critical Care

Fucking wow. VOY as a whole is pretty meh, but this episode actually fucking rocked. Like damn, so many good quotes, such a good ep, and it was all doc which is what every VOY ep should be.
Captain Solok - Wed, 08 Jun 2016 11:04:15 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.54718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Voy has more WOW episodes than DS9 IMO but DS9 has the overall quality edge.
Lursa - Wed, 08 Jun 2016 20:34:30 EST ID:U7Q3I8Pm No.54724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just started watching TOS S2E12: The Deadly Years

I have no idea how people can seriously claim that Captain Kirk is the best captain after this episode. Kirk just totally embarrasses the hell out of himself by being obviously unfit for command but he tries to pretend like nothing is wrong and has to be taken to some sort of special hearing where he's relieved of command. Then he goes on to blame Spock for everything in a little temper tantrum of denial.

I just lost all respect for him in this episode. I don't care how this is resolved, the way he acted was just pathetic.
Jean-Luc Picard - Wed, 08 Jun 2016 23:17:31 EST ID:ZTRUT4In No.54725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Minister Kuvak - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 11:10:01 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.54735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
old people brain problems make you an asshole
Captain Tel-Peh - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 15:35:35 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TOS Season 1 Tomorrow is Yesterday

We are moving across the country next week, everything is packed except season one TOS on the laptop.

Tomorrow is Yesterday is a weird episode. It seems to feature the air force dude too much, and it feels like it was written by different authors at different times.

But I think this is what gives us the first canon slingshot-around-the-sun time travel shtick, which we all recognize from captain, thar be whales here!
Captain Tel-Peh - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:43:56 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Court Martial

Holy shit I want this piece of hanging art so fucking bad.

Who do you suppose made it? Where is it now?
Douglas Pabst - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:17:31 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.54745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>feature the air force
You mean
>pad out the episode with stock footage
David Marcus - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:20:10 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.54746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>pad out the episode with stock footage

Ahh a classic trade secret used for decades to come.
Legate Porania - Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:06:24 EST ID:U7Q3I8Pm No.54754 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Jesus, the next episode "Obsession" makes him look even worse. I seriously can't believe they let this guy command a starship. He lets untold numbers die on a nearby planet because he delays delivering badly needed vaccines to hunt down some random space creature that killed his old captain. He loses many men in the hunt. It was a pure revenge motive. Plus he's unnecessarily harsh on some kid that reminds him of himself. Were people really this emotional in the 60's?
Lt. Ro Laren - Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:24:34 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54755 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>You broke your little ships.

Gunsmoke-watching-dude here. The late 60s were a weird fucking time for TV.
Benjamin Sisko - Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:12:49 EST ID:UNZglzu9 No.54756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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meeting of generations and on marathon with us on suptv.org
David Marcus - Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:06:28 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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waxing these floors before we move back west again, watching TOS with the wife.

>Taste of Ermagerden

The episode where kirk gets people to stop playing at war by threatening to nuke their planet.

>This side of paradise

Spock in love part IIIII

>Devil in the Dark

One of the top five episodes ever produced.
Guinan - Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:22:37 EST ID:fzblRYDb No.54766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Devil in the Dark is my favorite TOS episode, I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Mon, 13 Jun 2016 01:43:15 EST ID:PDoEVFqX No.54793 Ignore Report Quick Reply
God that ship is ugly
Guinan - Mon, 13 Jun 2016 03:14:56 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I imagine it would be pretty goddamn hard to destroy though
Emperor Sompek - Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:54:27 EST ID:CtWKbnGU No.54800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Ensign Ricky from Detroit

>Get first ship assignment

>Conduit Scrubber 2nd Class, USS No Kill I.

>Horta Crew: 400 juveniles, 2 guardians

>Humanoid Crew: Ensign Ricky
Guinan - Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:04:45 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh god can this please be a season of the new series

Kevin Mulkahey - Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:13:25 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.54814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
in the DC comics between 2 and 3 there's a Horta on the 1701
Tiron - Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:53:30 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.54822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lorian - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 05:54:25 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
About to watch the last two episodes of VOY to end my first run. I love that Neelix left right after that young girl not wanting him to read her a story. She's gonna be fucked up for life about that.
Lorian - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:52:15 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54829 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Well that was an um, interesting ending.
Vosk - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 21:11:58 EST ID:2tVihDX0 No.54831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gun Runner Sakonna - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:59:47 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.54833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not a great work of SciFi TV, but it's an appropriate ending for Voyager.
Composer Delvok - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:56:30 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54834 Ignore Report Quick Reply

So I finished VOY and started ENT. I'm 3 episodes deep and so far ENT seems like the country music station of the star trek universe.
James T Kirk - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:30:19 EST ID:J7yECQUK No.54840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fairly accurate tbh
it's got its moments though
Captain Edward Jellico - Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:05:06 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54856 Ignore Report Quick Reply

this fucking theme song though

jesus christ I thought voyagers was bad
Captain Edward Jellico - Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:10:19 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.54858 Ignore Report Quick Reply

also is it just me or does everyone but phlox suck ass?
Guinan - Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:24:06 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuckin lol

I think ENT suffers from not having a 'philosopher' character, really... see my other drunkedn shitpost on the subject, you shitlords. >>54859

aw yeah tahts the post
Private E Hamboyan - Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:25:06 EST ID:NhVFjF3f No.54889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I think ENT suffers from not having a 'philosopher' character,

IMO an Asian on the bridge is plenty to deal with
Guinan - Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:17:12 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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an Asian whose only lines involve her either being afraid or being a shitty, unconfident linguist?

great philosopher guys

Meanwhile TNG has Picard giving rousing, moving speeches, Quark is breaking down the economics of reality and showing us that free trade can prevent war, and Chipotle is Ah Cootchie Maya-ing us on the distance he is from the bones of our ancestors...

And all Hoshi can do is "uh.. captin I dunno how to werk this universal translator thingie, I think he said something about stinky boots."

And then some people will be like, oh well Phlox is the philosopher

Well his philosophy is to put an alien leech on your dick. "OPTIMISM CAPTAIN"

and then he does that fucking smile thing FUCCCKKKKKKK WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHYYYYYY


Torg - Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:12:30 EST ID:WBfv0lXc No.54910 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think that Phloxx as philosopher only gets held back by the need to make his race so unusual.

A race of people each with three spouses, all of which don't like being touched?

Or do they get down with consent? Star Fleet can stop rape?
Robert Wesley - Thu, 23 Jun 2016 06:25:37 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.54941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There not being a philosopher character is just a symptom of ENT's crappy writing. This is a show that thought the best part of Seven of Nine was her suit, and then put it on the most un-Vulcan looking actress they could find.

And Hoshi might be written as a scaredy cat incompetent, but Archer is written as a raging incompetent who often makes the bad choice just for the hell of it. Phlox basically commits genocide, because "muh natural course of things". And his natural remedies are supposed to be a quaint reflection of earlier crews using stuff available in their environment, as seen through low-tech goggles, but instead it becomes a joke, with him having a leech or bat for EVERYTHING.

ENT just didn't really have any strong characters, let alone characters who fill specific roles like "philosopher". When you ask me to describe the character of other Star Trek characters, I can give a reasonable answer. With ENT, I'm going to be listing their roles, superficial traits, and negative traits for the best-developed ones.
Rebi - Thu, 23 Jun 2016 10:09:12 EST ID:WBfv0lXc No.54942 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Not to open this can of bloodworms, but it always seemed to me that ENT suffered from "9/11" syndrome, where it had to basically write about and deal with 9/11.

But a philosopher character would have cautioned wise moves instead of arrogant exceptionalist space 'merika.

Also it takes balls to write good sci fi. The writers either didn't have balls, or they were locked up by Paramount or whoever the fuck owned Star Trek at that moment in time.
Ulis - Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:24:20 EST ID:yUEnpn4n No.54944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
While your criticisms are pretty valid, I don't think you need "types" as much as a dynamic that creates the right amount of friction and conflict while feeling like it's a group that still works together. ENT could have done better at that.

Also Chipotle was less relevant than Phlox. Phlox didn't have much to say but Chipotle's job was just to be ignored by Insaneway when dispensing advice. I admit he created conflict but the fact he was never listened to breaks that second part about working together. ENT was too far the other way. They feel like a cohesive team but because they have not one but TWO so and so's on bridge (Mayweather/Hoshi).
Donik - Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:37:37 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.54948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think whatever this Trek is, it has to have that classic formula for the first season at least..if not try to replicate it in most (but not all) seasons of the show. The nerd who doesn't quite get it. The Captain who always has the right answer. The great conversation...everyone's trying to find the philosopher but that's the thing about Trek...every character is a philosopher.
Kira Meru - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 18:09:24 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.54959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The thing is, DS9 already did it. They did the arc on Earth, where an admiral wants to set up a militaristic government, complete with paranoid "security" measures and false flag attacks. They dealt with having a terrorist on the main cast, and the morality of her terrorist attacks. They dealt with religious extremists and "ends hallow the means" attitudes. And they did it all before 9/11.

People were project that the Suliban were the Taliban, but that's just retarded. They had that OK-ish Space Arab episode, and that enormous pile of crap that was Suliban Guantanamo Bay. But they only really did 9/11 stuff with the Xindi and their attack on Earth.

And come to think of it, DS9 did that, too. And the Breen attack on Earth had a lot more oomph than the Xindi one. Because the Breen attack carried the same meaning as 9/11: We can hit you where you thought you were safe. In ENT, it just didn't carry that weight. The entire point was the we were the newest, weakest guys, and everyone who wanted to, could basically fuck us over. Plus, they went through this backwards writing process where the Xindi had to attack Earth for their trauma storylines with Trip, and they just pulled a reason out of their asses.

You don't need types, but you do need developed characters, and those characters will naturally fulfill those roles.

As for Chakoters, I'd say Seven and the Doc fulfilled the philosopher role more than he did. The character never really got a chance, which was kind of a problem with VOY. They had their clear favorites, and the rest just got the cold shoulder. And they tried to jam Janeway into everything, so the First Officer had nothing to do. Because she took over his job. One of VOY's big flaws is that the plot catered to Janeway. She's always a central character. While TNG and DS9 have episodes where the captain barely shows up, and the other characters are allowed their time in the limelight. Even when they send the Doc to the Alpha Quadrant they have to have their little Janeway/Seven moment.
Lonzo - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 18:59:21 EST ID:i2pgQUkf No.54961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Guinan - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:29:37 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.54969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're dead on correct about Voyager, but if you watch the first 2-3 seasons, there are episodes where Chipotle clearly had a more philosophical role and knew about the mythologies and beliefs of other cultures. It almost made the fact that he was a Native-everyman whose tribe/culture wasn't nailed down for several seasons more acceptable. Almost.
Beverly Crusher - Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:36:48 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.54994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The problem with Chacuntay "knowing" a lot of that sort of stuff is that he really doesn't know all that much, and generally just goes off whatever indian hunch bubbles up in his native noggin'.

The entire indian angle is halfassed. They clearly didn't know what to do with it. It's like someone said at the last minute "let's do an indian character" because they remembered TNG's injuns in space. Then they hired this Chief Firewater character to "advise" them by filling their heads with bullshit that any casual viewer today can identify, which is frankly embarrassing, and never figured they need to do more with the character.

It sucks, because on paper the Voyager cast sounds extremely interesting. Maquis intermingling, lots of varied character motivations, everything. But it just falls apart on the writing. It's like they did the exact wrong thing with half the characters they had.
Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Mon, 27 Jun 2016 08:47:43 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.54995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think Chutney would have been better if they didn't have Big Chief Forktongue Whitey as their advisor and had somebody who actually knew shit instead.
Temporal Agent Daniels - Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:51:32 EST ID:PeKnhBXD No.55024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Humble Bundle has a new set (or is it a rerun?) of Star Trek comics: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/star-trek-comics-bundle

Also, why won't Rascals bump anymore? I was saving a picture for it, but alas, I guess I'll just post it here.:(
Benny Russell - Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:00:26 EST ID:VdqwWHX8 No.55025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Voyager being the shits makes alot of sense when you learn that it was always going to be Knock-off TNG. Hell, if you look at the show numbers, Voyager starts at 9, rather then 1. Why? Because its the 9th season of TNG.
Odo - Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:25:15 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.55026 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>9th season of TNG

Did I miss a whole season of TNG?
Legate Hovat - Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:54:02 EST ID:+iE8USbn No.55027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
because it starts when a hypothetical 9th season would have started
Amanda Grayson - Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:45:53 EST ID:3AVA28Bj No.55030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
rascals thread hit the post limit (500) and is dying slowly. each new thread throws it further into oblivion.

RIP, Rascals Thread, you will be missed.
Kono - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 01:05:28 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.55032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't quite remember it being that way as a kid, but it still freaks me out to realize Voyager came on the air right after TNG. I always thought there was a gap in there, but I guess I was thinking of my 2 years of Saturday night DS9 while also getting my Wednesday night TNG.
Guinan - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 06:53:24 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.55035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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There was a gap of a year where it was just DS9, after TNG had ended, but before VOY began...

Google tells me TNG ended May 23, 1994 and Voyager began January 16, 1995 so it was actually a few months shy of a year.

I agree with you though, it did seem like it was a bigger gap than that in my memory of when I was living in those times.
Michael Jonas - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:53:57 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.55037 Ignore Report Quick Reply

but there are only 7 seasons of TNG, where was 8?
Kono - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:39:28 EST ID:rBooKHbe No.55038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's really just a gap of about 3 months because TNG season 8 would have started in September.
Guinan - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:16:39 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.55040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the gap year, see here >>55035
Benny Russell - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:18:14 EST ID:WBfv0lXc No.55041 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Everyone here is underageb& apparently.

They used Voyager to "launch a new station" called UPN or something.

TNG was on NBC or whatever, so was DS9. If you wanted to keep watching Star Trak you had to start watching a totally shit-tier cable channel.

Sarina Douglas - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:46:53 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.55042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TNG was on NBC or whatever, so was DS9.
they were on Your Local Affiliate, it was a syndication deal independent of the big 3 networks
Benny Russell - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:57:22 EST ID:WBfv0lXc No.55043 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Same deal though, they tried to use Voyager to launch the new station, but it didn't really work.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:11:53 EST ID:TXtpA/+T No.55044 Report Quick Reply
I mean there's a difference between being in first run syndication like TNG and DS9 and on primetime television with TOS on NBC and Voyager/Enterprise on UPN. I don't think it was the best network to have had Star Trek as tbey could have benefitted more being on cable as Stargate had.
Guinan - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:02:01 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.55045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You know, I had kind of forgotten they used Voyager as the flagship for UPN.. it really wasn't a good channel. Makes me worry a bit that they're effectively doing the same thing for their Netflix knockoff. I'd also wager that once CBS all-access is launched, they won't allow Netflix to renew any of the Star Trek series, and will try and pull trekkies behind their own CBS brand paywall.

I worry about this because in a lot of ways Voyager is what killed my love of Trek.
They were lazy in the first few seasons, just expecting people to watch because it was Star Trek, a lot of elements of it seemed sloppy and poorly planned, they pussed out on having any sort of continuity between episodes, on having conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet crew, and they basically just rehashed tropes that they'd been using since the Kirk days until they finally found their footing in being ridiculous Captain Proton/Twilight Zone style shit, focusing on the Doctor, and adding Seven of Tits. It had its moments and I now appreciate more than it was on the air, but I literally could not be bothered to give a fuck about it towards the end of its run. They just made Star Trek too cheesy with too little philosophical substance. By the time ENT came along, I think I watched most of the premier and then didn't watch it again for more than 10 seconds until it had been off the air for almost a decade, because Voyager had devalued the franchise so much in my eyes.

If they do a good job with this new show, it will revitalize Star Trek, but if they do anything less, it will pretty much relegate 'Trek to the dusty pages of history like Jules Verne stories and Flash Gordon shit. I think if they fail, Star Trek will never come back again. I think it's make or break.
Penk - Thu, 30 Jun 2016 21:30:27 EST ID:BaUJzlAy No.55047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They also had this cool sci-fi show they'd air on the same nights as Voyager called Seven Days. It was about a government program with a time machine that could travel back only one week. So every time there was some catastrophe, they would send this guy back in time a week to stop it.

Being on a network killed Voyager's ability to make use of its cool premise. Execs cared more about having a stable week to week show than executing the show in the best way possible for what it wanted to be (a TNG/DS9 hybrid).

I do think that streaming is the 21st century version of syndication, so the new show should hopefully be able to recapture that TNG/DS9 essence.

In my market TNG and DS9 were on different channels actually.
Sphere Builder - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 01:09:53 EST ID:siczhJsP No.55048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watching ep 5 right now.
I watched a new hope for the first time recently and I thought it was kinda campy and gay but I'm gonna watch this one and give it an other shot.
Guinan - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 04:28:18 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.55051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>being so high you think the Star Trek board is the Star Wars board

Empire strikes back is the shit.. just don't watch 7, the prequels are actually better even with the jamaican house nigga frogman
Netjester - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 08:32:20 EST ID:cW3Jv235 No.55052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you felt ANH was campy and gay, you should look into the prequels, or the Force Awakens, or Jar Jar Trek. They might be more up your alley.
DaiMon Solok - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 08:37:34 EST ID:16Jdx7Eh No.55054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>They were lazy in the first few seasons

They weren't lazy. They were burned out. The same group of writers and producers had been cranking out Trek tv shows for a decade. It wasn't until 3 or 4 seasons in and some of those people started ditching and new blood came in that things improved a bit. They were all working under Rick Berman the entire time, who liked to micromanage the creativity and hated taking risks. Garrett Wang (Harry Kim) also said in an interview that Berman never visited the sets during shooting. Like he hid in his office for seven years. All of this resulted in a show whose tone was as stiff and uncomfortable as the people making it.
Arne Darvin - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 11:59:37 EST ID:WBfv0lXc No.55056 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Rick Berman

This should be stylized "Rick Fucking Berman", and typically followed with "Fuck you!!!!!"
Admiral William J Ross - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 16:26:08 EST ID:PeKnhBXD No.55058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>"What has the European Convention on Human Rights ever done for us?"
Corporal Chang - Sat, 02 Jul 2016 15:02:04 EST ID:lBRkOczw No.55061 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm on the 6th season of TNG right now, I love how alien everything is in the later seasons (same goes for DS9). I was watching one where the crew was chasing down Romulan terrorists, Data negotiated with a Klingon warship captain to use his computer to hack the Romulan computer network...yeah.
Janice Rand - Sat, 02 Jul 2016 16:39:50 EST ID:WBfv0lXc No.55062 Ignore Report Quick Reply

in early TNG technology is unpredictable and often dangerous.

in late TNG most characters are masters of technology
Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 03:13:51 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.55084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Over that CGI prefer story
>Last season of DS9 is fuck huge CGI space battles.
> worthless whiny bitch
Corporal R Richards - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 03:26:37 EST ID:gWjExxDN No.55085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are we really not playing b5? I made a playlist and handed it over, why not?
Corporal R Richards - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 03:29:44 EST ID:gWjExxDN No.55086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Suppose to be in this thread
Tom Paris - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 07:31:09 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.55087 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah but those space battles were the culmination of 4 seasons of build up.
Cmdr. Williams - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 13:41:18 EST ID:OO16I6mF No.55088 Ignore Report Quick Reply
s3e3 tos
Ensign Vorik - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:25:54 EST ID:EXdCEhpg No.55089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have the playlist. I will add it to the expanse and other shows I have ready. Don't worry, it will get played.
Arne Darvin - Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:18:20 EST ID:PeKnhBXD No.55105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Now also available... magazines? I don't even know what these are: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/star-trek-magazine-bundle
Jimmy - Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:49:24 EST ID:OO16I6mF No.55108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why did TOS do away with McCoy's line, "DAMNIT I'M A DOCTOR NOT A _____" so soon?
Nurse Jabara - Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:19:54 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.55338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still on the star date order run. But the list I was using is all kinds of fucked up on the Voy order. Doesn't matter though as the cross overs stopped being interesting and there is no plot similarities like with the maqee/cardasian arc between DS9 and TNG. Now it's just taking the bit character every now and then and slapping them in a voy ep or two. Some times they use actors from the two series on each other. Like Eisenburg as a Kazon or the doctor as his creator interviewing Bashir.
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:01:10 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.55351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Interesting side note. In DS9 S5:EP6 the time police mention there were 6 enterprises. Did a quick head count and at this time inthe canon the Ent E was being built. The line up shows First Contact coming up soon during this season. But at this point there was no ENT, so in effect there were only 5 enterprises. Was this a little drop before ENT came about? Season 5 puts it around 97-98 so maybe they could have been thinking about the next series.

Unless you count the Refit as a second ship before it was the A
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:16:11 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.55352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
oh fuck nb for the double but when worf is explaining why klingons were space mexicans Miles and Bashir both throw up explanations that are stolen for the augment arc in ENT.
Furel - Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:37:07 EST ID:BaUJzlAy No.55353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>stolen for the augment arc in ENT.
I think it was more of a tribute/retcon
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Wed, 27 Jul 2016 01:58:39 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.55357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well I didn't mean to imply a negativity to it. Just wondering if they payed attention or if it was coincidental.
Jack Crusher - Sat, 30 Jul 2016 16:16:59 EST ID:k5sRUJT7 No.55394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm pretty sure that it was an old explaination from one of the early TNG books. Something about a degenerative disease that caused them to grow ridges.
DaiMon Bractor - Tue, 16 Aug 2016 21:33:20 EST ID:N+RlYH+s No.55729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TOS Season 3 Episode 1

>Spock's Brain

iirc star trek was cancelled and brought back, meaning this episode is the premiere of the final season.

This episode gets a lot of hate but it is pretty great actually.

also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om8Mcj_ZWVc
Guinan - Wed, 17 Aug 2016 01:53:06 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.55730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
holy shit you just blew my goddamn mind
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:22:41 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well, yes and no. This was a reference drop, but not to what you think. The NX-01 Enterprise was already a part of the lore of Star Trek as early as early-TNG, and was referenced as such in various technical manuals you could buy. At that point though it was a Daedalus class starship, which they obviously retconned to make ENT the show. They may have been thinking about ENT at that point, but their being 6 Enterprises by then was already a point of canon.
Lon Suder - Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:01:59 EST ID:N+RlYH+s No.55771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TOS Season 3 Episode 4

So basically these kids hang out with an interdimensional child molester?

>take the ship, then you can take turns sitting on my lap, children!
Grilka - Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:28:10 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Listen to McCoy's voice as he says this line, you can almost hear Kelley thinking,
"Are these morons really having me say this? My career is over..."
Khan Noonien Singh - Thu, 18 Aug 2016 23:25:36 EST ID:s/LcQ7tT No.55773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe they still didn't quite believe how much of a threat the Borg were? The tone of Star Fleet changes a lot between TNG and FC.
Iliana Ghemor - Sun, 21 Aug 2016 16:08:47 EST ID:YivUvAGN No.55836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Without a doubt the worst episode of TOS.
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:39:53 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.55842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Any episode of TOS with children in it is going to be awful.

Season 3 overall has been hard to finish but I want to make it to the TAS and movies so I have to grin and bare it for just a little bit longer.
Michael Sullivan - Sun, 21 Aug 2016 23:01:48 EST ID:N+RlYH+s No.55844 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Season Three has the best use of color though.

So many colors.
Seska - Sun, 21 Aug 2016 23:10:40 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And the spandex uniforms are so much more on point than the shitty flinty cloth ones from seasons 1-2. I mean where does the future get its wardrobe, Goodwill?

But yeah it's got some real stinkers. Roddenberry had left the show after the second season, there's your explanation.
Major J Hayes - Thu, 25 Aug 2016 23:04:35 EST ID:N+RlYH+s No.55927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Made it through TAS again and moved onto the movies.

TMP last night. I gotta say that the overture made me weep (really) but the rest of the movie is just DZZZZZUAAAAAAAAAAAAAA sounds and shots of the Refit Enterprise.

Watching Khan now. Haven't had a proper viewing since Nimoy died.

I am probably going to cry a lot. I will keep you posted.
Weyoun 6 - Fri, 26 Aug 2016 01:52:48 EST ID:aQZi/3lR No.55932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Randomly rewatching DS9 episodes.. First one I pick is the two-parter where the Dominion shitstomps the cardies and the romulans.

Forgot how much I love Enabran Tain. Cardassian so suave and cunning he's got an office on a Romulan warbird. Besides Data, Picard and Spock DS9 had the best characters.
Tora Ziyal - Fri, 26 Aug 2016 04:52:27 EST ID:siczhJsP No.55933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just lost my best friend. He introduced me to Star Trek.
I'm about to torture myself with TWOK just for this one scene (pic related)
Major J Hayes - Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:45:51 EST ID:N+RlYH+s No.55935 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I am but one anonymous stranger but I love you. RIP your friend.
Tora Ziyal - Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:19:50 EST ID:siczhJsP No.55936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Thank you :')
Thrax - Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:17:00 EST ID:on68BUEM No.55939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The last time I watched The Wrath of Khan, Ricardo Montalban died two weeks later.
Youngblood - Fri, 26 Aug 2016 23:21:21 EST ID:N+RlYH+s No.55941 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Don't watch Final Frontier or RIP Shatner 2 weeks later.
Lt. Maxwell Burke - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 02:58:52 EST ID:QrYI9DZT No.55943 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:26:27 EST ID:0Liu5VpE No.55951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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S6: E:23 "Fury"
Kes returns to Voyager. Aged, angry, and more powerful than ever, she tears through the ship and travels back in time to try and alter her history.
General K'Trelan - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:00:36 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.55952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that was a terrible episode
The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:17:53 EST ID:0Liu5VpE No.55953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lol it's hilarious if you replace past Kes with current Kes. Like just imagining this Obese horridly naked woman tearing through the ship in a desperate attempt to reverse her current state. It's like some freaky self-fulfilling prophecy.
General K'Trelan - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:34:44 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.55954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol alright you got me, also who the fuck has the microphone in the back in that pic?
Gralik Durr - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:36:26 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Uhhh you mean Chekov?
Rebi - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:04:13 EST ID:siczhJsP No.55956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Watching Into Darkness
This time around it doesn't seem quite as bad if you take it for what it is.
It looks beautiful if you ignore all the fuckin lens flares.
Cumberbatch was pretty damn good, even though he wasn't all that much like the original Khan. Peter Weller is always good. And the JJ Bridge Crew overall is pretty great.
Christine Chapel - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:33:07 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.55957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah it must be. I've seen all of TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT but I'm only on S1E25 of TOS on my first run of it ever so according to wikipedia Checkov doesn't appear until S2E1
Natima Lang - Sun, 28 Aug 2016 02:08:11 EST ID:aQZi/3lR No.55959 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah that movie isn't nearly as bad as most people on the internet say it is. I definitely liked it better than Beyond
Captain Goroth - Sun, 28 Aug 2016 07:09:37 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know thinking about it the Pakleds pretty much have it all figured out. Their philosophy is quite deep if you think about it. I mean really, spays is big. And really, what do we all need? Things. What kind of things? Things to make us go.
Blaze and think about it man. We are smart, we are strong.
Christine Chapel - Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:01:26 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.55962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
stoned as fuck right now and yeah that makes a lot of sense to me
Kimara Cretak - Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:31:41 EST ID:0EObkRJk No.55963 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I guess if the Pakleds can get Warp Drive it's really no surprise the Klingons did.
Captain Goroth - Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:23:38 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Makes you wonder how dumb are we to have to wait for some hippie burnout drunk asshole from Montana to figure it out for us.
Gul Darhe'el - Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:51:26 EST ID:CgTwnBfS No.55974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In the Trekverse humanity is a baby race but one of the smartest, or at least the best at getting shit done when it needs to or wants to. Starfleet engineers are the envy of the alpha, beta and gamma quadrants. Other races had warp for thousands of years but it was humanity who brought them the first warp 8 engine.

The Pakleds are cunning though. That's not an alternative interpretation or anything it's fact, the entire plot they turn up for is driven by them being actually pretty smart in their own way. Enough to get by. They're not super ambitious they just live their lives. Borg will never assimilate them and no one else will ever see them as having anything of worth to take, they'd make awful slaves, too stupid to follow complex tasks, but smart enough to deliberately fuck up simple ones. The absolute best thing another race can do is basically avoid them and leave them to their shit.

They don't have a deep philosophy though. Like everything else about them it's simple, lets not kid ourselves, but it's smarter than than it seems at a glance and it's suitable for their purposes.

Anyway my point is that the Pakled have probably been drifting through space for ages. Maybe they've seen the rise and fall of all other intelligent life a few times, but they probably didn't notice. Which is pretty smart because if anyone knew anything that'd be trouble for them.

But humans. Humans are smart in a driven adaptable way, humans are like a child prodigy. Sure he's about 6 but he can already do maths and play the piano better than almost every adult you've met. And I guess that makes Q our overly pushy parents, except instead of endless study and tuition when they feel we can do more they just sic the borg on us and force us to do that adapting and making do thing again. Probably beats 3 hours of maths a night tbh.
Vice Admiral Leyton - Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:27:42 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I agree, humans are god tier, Pakleds are dumb. All those posts you carefully deconstructed were jokes.
Roy Ritterhouse - Mon, 29 Aug 2016 00:44:28 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.55979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just watched Voyage Home with wife, did S4S and WoK the past two nights.

People who talk shit on Voyage Home are really missing out.

Thomas Riker - Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:22:57 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.55990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean really, pretty much any sort of ridiculous plot development would be justified just for this one line.
Chakotay - Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:37:14 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.55996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>ST 6: UC

I think Chang is half human.

Probably the child of a war bride from an early sortie against the Federation.
Harry Kim - Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:15:08 EST ID:qbvuHKHy No.55997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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In space no one can hear your rape whistle
Fer'at - Tue, 30 Aug 2016 17:13:51 EST ID:siczhJsP No.55998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TNG Best of Both Worlds

They play TNG on BBC America all the time, and I'll catch like an episode or two almost every day, but it seems I always tune in on the worst episodes, like yesterday it was Sub Rosa (*vomits*) but today I just tuned in to catch the beginning of part one and part 2 after.
Buckle up fuckers.
Fer'at - Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:50:45 EST ID:siczhJsP No.55999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well fuck me right in the ass. I figured they would put part 2 right after 1 but I didn't look at the guide.
They fucking put National Lampoon's European Vacation on right after part one. God damn it. Fuck you Clark Griswald.
Admiral Cartwright - Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:08:59 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek 7 The Generations

1994. Damn. TNG just ended 6 months ago. DS9 is going. Undiscovered Country came out 2 years ago. 1994.

Tim Russ has a walk on part in the intro. Pretty sweet.

Also pic related popped up in my image search. From the crash of the D. cannot escape the rascals thread
Worf - Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:15:59 EST ID:qbvuHKHy No.56001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is that Worf on the right?

I bet he's like, fuck this shit I'm taking all the bitches. Let Geordi "tryhard" LaForge juggle those weaklings.
Chakotay - Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:58:25 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.56002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>National Lampoon's European Vacation
at least TNG has a British guy in it
Lt. Cmdr. Argyle - Thu, 01 Sep 2016 12:43:52 EST ID:IOEb+HD2 No.56004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> Voyager S6E6 Riddles

I liked retarded Tuvok, he seemed like a pretty cool guy and made some killer deserts.
Kai Opaka - Thu, 01 Sep 2016 13:06:41 EST ID:0WxfBr9c No.56005 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Something about dates, right?
Weyoun 5 - Thu, 01 Sep 2016 14:52:00 EST ID:0EObkRJk No.56006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bumpan, watched about half of the episode of DS9 episode 4.

This show really was woke as fuck. The episode about Quark's workers unionizing... weird to think Quark is more of a pushover than Wal-Mart. and the episode where Worf allegedly blows up them civilians, real talk in our war torn future.

Also it's great how meta Worf is in season 4. Every 2 episode he gives some rant about how much shittier DS9 is than the Enterprise D and the rest of the crew are all like "welcome to the frontier bitch", and every time it feels like DS9 is explaining to TNG about it's thematic differences, and over time Star Trek fans would get used to these different inflections. I dunno, I'm high, but this shit got layers.
Weyoun 5 - Thu, 01 Sep 2016 14:52:41 EST ID:0EObkRJk No.56007 Ignore Report Quick Reply

*half of ds9 season 4, nbdp
Chairman Koval - Thu, 01 Sep 2016 18:16:29 EST ID:CgTwnBfS No.56009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Quark is a good guy under the ferengi culture.

Also ferengi economics are dumb as shit, even based on the flawed premise of money as the end and not a means.
Vedek Bareil - Thu, 01 Sep 2016 20:17:28 EST ID:s/LcQ7tT No.56010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wolf in the Fold. I don't remember how this ends, bit knowing a few Scotsmen, I'm 100% sure Scotty did it.
Vekma - Thu, 01 Sep 2016 22:04:18 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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First Contact

this killed the borg and made way for janeway to make them into henchmen of the space queen.

pic related: who did they peel that skin off of? ensign who?
Grand Nagus Gint - Fri, 02 Sep 2016 01:28:05 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think it was just synthetically generated by Borg technology. Would be WAY creepier if they were turning him into some kind of Frankendata cobbled together from gibs left over from the crew...
Guinan - Fri, 02 Sep 2016 02:01:52 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.56021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>trying to shy away from the disturbing truth
It was probably ensign prettyface gayboy
Ulani Belor - Fri, 02 Sep 2016 12:38:32 EST ID:0EObkRJk No.56027 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It sucks because if you go back and watch the eps of VOY from before First Contact where the borg show up... they do them fine. They still feel like the late TNG borg. It's not until the Queen got ramrodded into canon that it went full retard on that front.
Colonel Lovok - Fri, 02 Sep 2016 23:57:09 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whenever I see the Borg Queen I'm always coming up with little head-canons for why she is acting the way she does. Like, even though she appears to be an individual we are really just seeing the tip of an ice-berg, a single neuron of the prefontal lobe that might for a moment be able to think of itself as the whole brain. Still it definitely could've been dramatized better. I think the main reason it's upsetting is because post FC borg and pre FC borg are really different species. The most defining thing about the Borg when we first meet them are their lack of personality, they totally subvert the whole concept of Star Trek by being the exact opposite of the Fed not just ethically but in the sense that their most defining characteristic is their lack of character compared to the vibrancy of the Fed. It works on a philosophically deep level.
Post FC/VOY they are just emo cyborgs who I want to fuck.
Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Sat, 03 Sep 2016 00:25:44 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.56030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I see the queen as an emergent property of the locutus factor. The Borg probably found it useful to localize commands with the queens after having locutus wipe up at wolf 359. In one Voy ep the queen mentions the cranial capacity of Humans. Perhaps they want Humans for a new queen species. It's not individuality that is being injected to the borg, rather the suppression is lifted in one who can direct the others.
Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 03 Sep 2016 10:17:08 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56032 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I see the queen as shit-tier writing from hacks who can't into the idea of a true faceless collective.

it is like they had to remake the borg as a recognizable enemy, one with a clear leader to defeat.

Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Sat, 03 Sep 2016 12:22:55 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.56033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>implying there wasn't always a queen.

Every species seems supremely different until star fleet studies them more. Or you know we could keep this going until none of us likes trek any more.

Think about it for one second. The Borg all act as if they are being controlled like an RTS. Nothing happens unless the a threat is detected or it's all business as usual. Even then the queen is not the end all leader of the collective. There were at least three observed and they died. A species was assimilated and converted into command and control nodes each leading a portion of Borg resources but still collectively working towards the same goal.

I remember reading soem where that the Borg are the end result of a sentient AI rebelling and taking control of a species in the delta quad, turning them into cyborgs and eventually becoming the drones we see in TNG. So really the queens are just ways to clear the load on the central AI or AIs that control the borg collective.

voy still had shit writing though. You just hate it cuz it's too mainstreem to hate JJ trek now.
Kai Opaka - Sat, 03 Sep 2016 22:18:25 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56035 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Q is an omnipotent being.

Q introduces the borg as a leaderless collective.

I trust Q.
Christopher Brynner - Sun, 04 Sep 2016 00:26:45 EST ID:qDl/CYWx No.56037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>I trust Q
Natasha Yar - Sun, 04 Sep 2016 01:33:27 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Actually according to the non-canon books the Borg started with humans from the post-TNG era sent into the distant past on a wacky mission, that's why their name is part of the human word for 'cyborg.'
I do trust Q, at least I trust his intentions. Obviously you should never trust him to not fuck around with you when he says he won't, but I never got why Picard was always so butthurt by him. Everything he does demonstrates that he genuinely cares about the evolution of humanity and is trying to guide it forward, although obviously with the same kind of lack of care about individual's sense of inconvenience as you would expect someone who has the same relationship to us as we have to ants would act.
Lauren - Sun, 04 Sep 2016 21:59:41 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TNG When the Bough Breaks

Wesley teaches kids about passive resistance.

First season TNG is something special.
Guinan - Mon, 05 Sep 2016 01:03:42 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.56046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
With how shitty that first season was, it's a wonder they got any more. Thank Q they did, TNG season 3 til the end of the 90s was the golden age of trek
EMH MARK 2 - Mon, 05 Sep 2016 01:56:05 EST ID:CW2X9dl5 No.56047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Audiences have spent the last 20 years saturated with Trek content, especially thanks to the internet. In 1987 there was fuck-all*. It's a testament to fan's hunger for something, ANYTHING new with Trek in the title (and Roddenberry's stamp in the credits helped) was gobbled up and people kept watching week after week despite how shitty it was.

  • TOS repeats, 4 TOS movies that you either had to rent or catch on tv unless you were a nut and had shelled out $100+ dollars for your own VHS copy of ones of the movies, and the Penguin books which were all TOS stories.
Lauren - Mon, 05 Sep 2016 11:10:18 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56049 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I grew up in a house with 30+ vhs tapes containing almost all of TOS and the movies.

My mom had hundreds (literally) of Trek novels in her closet downstairs. I think she collected them all. She even wrote two, but both were turned down by the publisher. Just saying I was raised by a wizard-tier trekkie.

Your assessment of 1987 is correct. Anything Star Trek was welcomed and wanted.

I think we wanted to dream. What is missing from the nutrek is the dream. Despite the badness of TNG season 1, it dreams.
Dr. Telek R'Mor - Wed, 07 Sep 2016 23:18:10 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
busted into VOY again.
fucking neelix had his lungs stolen.
fucking kes gave neelix a lungs.
wtf. they never mention this again.
Guinan - Thu, 08 Sep 2016 04:09:13 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.56086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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V'ger was supposed to have continuity but they bitched out thanks to producer interference >>56085
Chairman Koval - Thu, 08 Sep 2016 05:57:19 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.56093 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>that episode of voy with the rock
I.G. Keval - Fri, 09 Sep 2016 23:26:37 EST ID:J3LWDK5j No.56156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just about done with V on my quest to watch all six TOS movies.

While it is obviously the worst of the six it still has a few moments/decent things.

>Bones being Bones
>Bone's father's death scene
>"I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain!"
>"What does god need with a star ship?"
>Expanding on Vulcan canon with Vulcans that choose emotions over logic
>Cat lady with 3 tits

Yes it is a terrible mess and directed poorly but at least it tries to explore some interesting concepts like religion, reality, and man's pain.

I guess all I'm saying is people shouldn't consider it the worst Star Trek movie when Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis exist.
Dr. T'Pan - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 06:14:26 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.56160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
so V'ger is short for voyager and not some weird vulcan I just didn't remember?
T'Pau - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:24:55 EST ID:0EObkRJk No.56164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
...Is that Tasha? I need source for reasons of scientific inquiry.
Guinan - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 15:17:58 EST ID:2xRe5IF3 No.56167 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah that's what I meant


I'm just going off of memory but I think it's from Where No Man Has Gone Before, the third episode of TNG where the Traveller comes in and flings the EntD around all the corners of the universe and through the fabric of reality in an attempt to impress Wesley and gain access to his butthole
Darien Wallace - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 17:32:30 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56171 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, that was the main plot point of the movie. V'Ger was the reel lyfe voyager probe fixed up by the borgaliens to complete its mission. They just couldn't make out the worn letters on the probe, even though, you know, they magically figured out everything else about it.
Fer'at - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 17:55:22 EST ID:EXdCEhpg No.56172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She is running from the rape gangs. She didn't escape get away.
But her cat did!
Guinan - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:37:45 EST ID:QKLcMwv1 No.56175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sure is a good thing that cat didn't get raped.
Michael Jonas - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:57:42 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watched Star Trek 09 last night.

super mixed feelings about it. not looking forward to watching ID.
Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Sun, 11 Sep 2016 01:31:41 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.56179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>but the rape gangs

god they threw that line in whenever they had a fucking chance to bring up her past
Guinan - Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:55:30 EST ID:n08X0aXU No.56185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Not being in a rape gang roving through the giant subterranean pyramid hunting pussy.. any kind of pussy, so long as it's not consenting

Why even live?
Kai Winn - Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:05:27 EST ID:414MU9f7 No.56244 Ignore Report Quick Reply

prepare for a dumb star trek film
Guinan - Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:13:07 EST ID:mKla+NSQ No.56247 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Watch it in a language you don't speak. We watched 20 minutes of it in Korean on the cytube once and it made it better. You can pretend that there's a plot.
Rekelen - Tue, 13 Sep 2016 03:29:14 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.56249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
About to watch S2E6 of TOS.

There are some stupid fucking lines, and ridiculous shit in TOS man. A couple episodes back they killed the fucking greek god apollo.

wtf kirk
Karr - Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:03:55 EST ID:rdjcGSJW No.56305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Voyager Season 2 Episode: Threshold

No comment.
Hikaru Sulu - Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:47:00 EST ID:414MU9f7 No.56308 Ignore Report Quick Reply

why would you keep falling into this trap
[REDACTED] - Fri, 16 Sep 2016 01:41:05 EST ID:6vGj96oy No.56311 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Weasley so got touched by the Traveller, big time.
Legate Porania - Sat, 17 Sep 2016 05:10:35 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.56320 Ignore Report Quick Reply

the bad guy is literally a little kitty cat that they filmed
Legate Porania - Sat, 17 Sep 2016 05:12:11 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.56321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
also this cat is pissed off, which means they had to fuck with this cat until it was pissed then film that shit

Albert Macklin - Sat, 17 Sep 2016 23:02:47 EST ID:J3LWDK5j No.56333 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching ENT Shockwave part 2 (Season 2 Ep 1)

It was a pleasant surprise to see an actually engaging episode in part one. I'm guessing that the quality drops after this episode, correct?
Porthos - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 06:49:41 EST ID:0EObkRJk No.56337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Watching DS9, S5E14-15. Another great 2 parter that ramps up the war. That part where Dr. Bashir Comes around the corner wearing the old style uniform and you realize he'd been replaced for several episodes. Blam. Bashir got all the great twists in this show.

Also that Breen, chilling like a boos who also doesn't give a fuck. I wonder hwo he was back on Breenworld? President Breen?
Vedek Bareil - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 17:37:24 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Administrator Breen more likely.
Kirayoshi O'Brien - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 18:16:11 EST ID:bCORpcrD No.56343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Zefram Cochrane - Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:05:06 EST ID:w9EpZUOy No.56458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Watching fistful of datas
Naomi Wildman - Tue, 27 Sep 2016 07:25:43 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.56463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the one episode where they took advantage of Spiners real talent.
Rom - Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:18:52 EST ID:siczhJsP No.56465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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that's a good one
Cmdr. Williams - Tue, 27 Sep 2016 22:46:23 EST ID:bCORpcrD No.56467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Into Darkness

God damn it this movie is so bad.

I tweeted Bob Orci about it a few months ago and he tweeted back. Still a total chode.
Gaila - Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:05:38 EST ID:/jLkIUT/ No.56484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's why he signed his name Butt Fucker
Seskal - Fri, 30 Sep 2016 18:47:31 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Maybe he just likes fuckin the butts gnomesaiyian? He is programmed with many techniques, many kinds of...pleasuring...
Geordie La Fawge - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 08:40:51 EST ID:I8V6YqTw No.56506 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Janeway literally has a member of her crew Executed.

Just finished watching Tuvix... Jesus christ, this is literally SF-Debris' rendition of her personified. The worst part of it is that nobody calls her on this. The crew pretty much turns into a lynch-mob, all because Tuvix had some apprehensions about being killed.

What could have saved this episode is, after Tuvok and Neelix come back, they both tell her "We remember everything about being Tuvix... What you did was fucking horrifying and we're not sure we're ever going to look at you the same way again" and this could have started a whole arc with Janeway wondering if being so far from civilization has made her go insane to the point where she can justify executing a member of her own crew.
Deanna Troi - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 10:24:04 EST ID:hdgMS5es No.56507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The one with that other federation ship is pretty fucked up too. Chakotay calls her up that time but illustrates that even though she's fucking awful he's worse by not removing her of duty on that or several other occasions. You think the crew of the enterprise would stand for that? Well maybe the NX-01 would. Maybe. That says it all.
Grilka - Tue, 04 Oct 2016 23:18:10 EST ID:J3LWDK5j No.56529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Taking a break from watching ENT and watching the TNG episode relics.

It's crazy how much better a show TNG is than ENT.
Lupaza - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:20:57 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.56533 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The thing is as much as Tuvok sucks, Janeway cannot look forward to a resupply and requires the two original crew members back if at all possible.

Tuvok probably pinches harder as a pure vulcan though.

Plus the travesty of having Janeway order the death of a crew member pales in comparison to firing one cast member and forcing the other one to wear contacts for the rest of his run on the show.
Private S Money - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:43:20 EST ID:onZyHBMg No.56534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I couldn't stomach ENT past the end of season 2. I'm watching TAS now.
Stonn - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:06 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tuvix is like Threshold to me. I'm just happier if I pretend they don't exist.
That's literally when it starts to get good (okay...better...) I mean you get to see a bunch of crazy bugs and apes and shit with the same ridges on their head for like way too many episodes, and then in the last season they remember 'hey this was supposed to be a prequel show' and finally start bringing in some core material from TOS to expand on.
You can safely skip season 3 if you want, really TL;DR: Some aliens blow up Florida, p mad Enterprise hunts them down, turns out they are controlled by genderqueers stuck inside a giant tanning bed, who are trying to turn our universe into tanning beds, and Enterprise stops them. Also something about space bats going back in time to help Nazis, but really you don't need to know that...
Orator Plegg - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 18:06:11 EST ID:hdgMS5es No.56537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ENT starts to improve in season 3. Sort of. But it only really got good once the temporal arc bullshit got done with and season 4 got on with having stuff actually happen. Then after 2/3 of a season of good episode there is the ending where fatriker ruins everything. But if it had continued, or been run as season 4 was from the get go it might have been a really great series. Archer and his crew are about as shit as Insaneway and hers.

Got to love TOS, it's a relic of an older age of television but it's very good at plot twists and taking you places other shows didn't. Plus the 3 parts of a man dynamic of it's leads is a gold standard.
Orator Plegg - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 18:19:16 EST ID:hdgMS5es No.56538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Apparently I didn't refresh the page for 5 hours. I did not see Stonn's post before I made mine.
Minuet - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 00:50:04 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.56542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TOS s3e20

5 musical sequences so far. Someone kill me.
Commander Sela - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 04:12:51 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.56543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Plus the 3 parts of a man dynamic of it's leads is a gold standard.

Man I never picked up on that. That brings Kirk, Bones, and Spock to a whole new level for me.

I hate TV today, it has to rely on sex and violence to get by. And more recent shows are like one scene dialog, then a music video, now porn, okay back to the single line of dialog. talking about the new season of american horror story but that's a topic for another board Completly uncreative tripe. Nothing like the thought provoking ethical problems see in TOS and TNG.
Jean-Luc Picard - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 09:46:34 EST ID:J6cd56IG No.56544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lol u herbert bro?
K'Ehleyr - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 16:38:14 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I really reach this post.
Ensign Herbert - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:28:01 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.56549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
man they should do an episode from the Borg's perspective
James T Kirk - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 05:59:10 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.56550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I guess I've just got a hard lip.

Just finished "Requiem for Methuselah"

I think Kirk laying his head down on the table should be the new face palm. This scene cracked me up for some reason. Just the long pause right after he lays his head down, I dunno. Interesting that there is some actual character development at least.
The Doctor - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 09:33:08 EST ID:syaip2dv No.56551 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Adam is Sgt. 50sguy.

Blew our minds over here. Thank you and sorry.
Lt. Talas - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:25:52 EST ID:PSyPzxMl No.56552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
has he got a halved hard-boiled egg on his shoulder?
Species 8472 - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:27:57 EST ID:qbvuHKHy No.56553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Those are star insignia's of a U.S. military uniform ya dingus
Mot - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 11:42:33 EST ID:0WxfBr9c No.56556 Ignore Report Quick Reply

get a load of this Herbert here.

Michael Jonas - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 13:33:02 EST ID:ZcXAygY2 No.56559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just lays his fucking head down in defeat while his two Federation appointed space wives talk shit about him 3 feet away.
Valkris - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:01:57 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah dude I'm pretty sure it's a hard-boiled egg.
Seskal - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 22:41:34 EST ID:syaip2dv No.56567 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Groundskeeper Boothby - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 20:38:25 EST ID:syaip2dv No.56577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The Haunting of Deck Twelve

Fuck is this a halloween episode?
Guinan - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 22:06:19 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.56580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That was the last episode of trek that was (sorta) new to me.. I think I had only seen the beginning until my last complete star trek viewing
Geordie La Fawge - Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:08:18 EST ID:6AruuVDu No.56639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There was easy ways of solving the problem, all I'm saying is that ordering his fucking execution was way too far. I mean, I would have written it like:
>Tuvix doesn't want to die, so Janeway says "Fine, I can't force you, but you will have to live with the knowledge that your life cost that of 2 others." which is a dick-statement, but completely true.
>Tuvix goes about his daily business, cooking for the crew, weapons officer duties, stuff like that, but people are noticably wary of him
>He goes to Kez and tells her that he wants to break up with Tuvoks wife and live with her. To which she informs him that she fell in love with Neelix and he had technically killed the man she loved
>Tuvix goes back to Janeway and tells her that after thinking about it, the part of him that's Neelix wants to be with Kes and the part of him that's Tuvok believes that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.
>Janeway tells him that his life and needs do matter and that this decision shouldn't be made lightly, but he goes through with it anyway.

Janeway seems less like SFDebris' bitch-queen from hell and more like an actual fucking Starfleet captain, The rest of the crew seem like actual fucking people who don't trust a guy that is the spliced remains of 2 of their friends and Tuvix isn't left running around the bridge with a look of pure fucking terror as the crew has just turned into a lynch-mob.
Guinan - Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:33:05 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.56650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
damn nigga they need to start screening scripts through this board
Bernardo Calvera - Thu, 13 Oct 2016 01:33:37 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If this board made a Star Trek show it would be pretty awesome. Even some of the stuff I don't agree with I see posted here is a lot more thoughtful than a lot of the stuff they've been putting out. Let's make a Kickstarter campaign, we can get a bunch of people together and make a show and...
>>New CBS Fan-Film Guidelines
Toral - Thu, 13 Oct 2016 09:27:54 EST ID:syaip2dv No.56655 Ignore Report Quick Reply

OK so morally I agree with you, but in terms of Janeway I think she needed to kill Tuvix.

This is like, what, season 2 Janeway? She is desperate, has yet to really break, and is doing her best to make Starfleet decisions. She fucked up and killed Tuvix. We know.

Part of being a captain is knowing that your engineer is NOT coming back from the pod, but you send them anyway.
The Doctor - Fri, 14 Oct 2016 04:57:13 EST ID:lBRkOczw No.56669 Ignore Report Quick Reply

An honest to god star trek episode. Sexy pokies, T'pol ass, whacky aliens, holy shit the last few episodes have had continuity this is awesome.
Lt. Daniels - Sat, 15 Oct 2016 22:23:01 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.56696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You guy's know where one might be able to find The Animated Series?

I've seen a link posted here a while back but I can't seem to track it down now.

Also should I watch the movies before or after TAS?
Menos - Sun, 16 Oct 2016 03:31:30 EST ID:0ZbRzUd0 No.56700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
netflix has it all! nb
Guinan - Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:21:18 EST ID:rC3IwBxZ No.56705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Better watch it now, I'll bet CBS will pull all their trek series from Netflix once CBS ON DEMAND gets rolling.. for North America at least
Lysia Arlin - Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:13:26 EST ID:J3LWDK5j No.56709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Losing Trek is to CBS's shit stream service is not worth MUH FREEDOMS
Guinan - Sun, 16 Oct 2016 19:14:48 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.56710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Eugenics war soon, friend.

See you on the other side when we all live in ghetto-rigged shacks and build north-korean quality level rockets while we drink moonshine out of mason jars and huddle together in fear of satellites firing beam weapons at us while we sleep.

And one day the drunkest among us will rise to make a really fast rocket using some bullshit theory he wrote down while he was freebasing bath salts and use it to attract the attention of another space faring species.

After that nothing interesting will happen for like 80 years.

..what a time to be alive
Tom Paris - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 01:33:42 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Goddamn Eastern Coalition always trying to come over here and terk our jabs and put us in a post-atomic court of horrors. Once I snort up some of my space crack and strap on my wrist gun they'll be dead, kiddo. I say we just launch them all into space with one of those old DY-100 ships we have lying around from the '90s. Make Montana great again!
Gawdie La Fawge - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 05:40:50 EST ID:6AruuVDu No.56720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That was World War III, The Eugenics war ended in 1996, you muppet. After the Eugenics war, society had pulled itself together and gone back to the radness of the 90's in less than a year. AOL Online, motherfuckers!
Tom Paris - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 06:09:44 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ehhh, that's debatable. In Space Seed the actual exchange is:
>>Spock: The mid-1990s was the era of your last so-called World War.
>>McCoy: The Eugenics Wars.
But, we know from Voyager 'Future's End' that the late 90s also more or less happened the way we remember it, and later material (particularly the TNG premiere) pushes the timeline for WWIII later (for obvious reasons) to the mid-21st century.
So the general canon consensus seems to be that the Eugenics wars were a minor conflict that later culminated in WWIII and thus were historically seen as part of it. Alternatively, you could think that the various meddlings around in time we see happen throughout the various series actually end up having an effect on the timeline, and the different crews are actually remembering different histories.
Lt. Talas - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:21:32 EST ID:0WxfBr9c No.56728 Ignore Report Quick Reply

There is a series of Khan books that details the 90s.

It was x-files grade control.
Admiral Owen Paris - Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:36:34 EST ID:0WxfBr9c No.56762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TNG episode "Who Watches the Watchers"

Wife got mad that Star Trek Insurrection riffs this plot.
Good prime directive episode.
Pic related is Leland Palmer we have to dance for laura
Quark - Fri, 21 Oct 2016 01:07:14 EST ID:xFnlgs1F No.56767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Insurrection borrows from this and Journey's End.
Quark - Fri, 21 Oct 2016 01:25:16 EST ID:xFnlgs1F No.56768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>we know from Voyager 'Future's End' that the late 90s also more or less happened the way we remember it

Not sure if they explicitly mention it in the episode, but Future's End is an alternate reality where the timeship crash accelerates microchip processing to a level beyond Trek's own past. It's actually interesting to think about how if we didn't get consumer computing like we have now the deranged shit we could have been up to, like engineering humans and creating long distance space travel as well.

With all the time traveling done by Trek there's no way our exact world could possibly be the Trek world (obvious fact that it's a fictional series). We're likely living in some kind of Future's End type scenario where hyper technology was introduced by accident (or intention) to us in the past 40 or so years.
Lore - Fri, 21 Oct 2016 02:14:32 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lore - Fri, 21 Oct 2016 02:15:39 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuck I'm high. nb for double post
>>Be watching "All Good Things..."
>>mfw I finally get that it's A Christmas Carol in space
>>seriously how did I never notice this before
Vash - Fri, 21 Oct 2016 02:47:08 EST ID:wiVZuv7W No.56775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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TAS is really good. So much better than TOS season 3.

Just watched the tribble episode and had a few good chuckles.
Toral - Fri, 21 Oct 2016 04:06:03 EST ID:lBRkOczw No.56776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just started ENT S04E22, received a vivid image of Jonathan Frakes chowing down on cheesecake, haha. Also, Shran and the Andorians in general are really great characters in general, any chance of seeing them in DISC?
Degra - Sat, 22 Oct 2016 04:47:37 EST ID:xFnlgs1F No.56788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good call!
Admiral Cartwright - Sun, 23 Oct 2016 15:19:36 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.56811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
like I said in the other thread, weyoun was the best actor in ENT
Nurse Jabara - Sun, 23 Oct 2016 20:07:42 EST ID:3ZVl0IjY No.56812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why would she be desperate? I mean, Neelix isn't even technically a member of the crew anyway. She has just as many trained starfleet officers either way. And surely the only ever Vulcan-Talaxian hybrid to exist, or is likely to exist in the next couple of thousand years counts towards that "seek out new life" part of her mandate as a Starfleet officer. Plus, i'm sure it's pretty high up in the captains mandate of "Killing members of your crew, just because they turned into something you don't like is not permitted." I can get the part of ordering men to their deaths to save the ship and the crew, but this is entirely different. Nobodies life is at stake, there was no arbitrary timeframe of "If you don't split now, you never will be able to!" because the Doctor pretty much says that they can do it at any time.
[REDACTED] - Sun, 23 Oct 2016 23:01:07 EST ID:9isVrhD2 No.56813 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Be honest, wouldn't you kill Tuvix if the opportunity arose?
Curzon Odo - Sun, 23 Oct 2016 23:13:26 EST ID:siczhJsP No.56814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
two shitbirds, one stone
Noonian Soong - Mon, 24 Oct 2016 14:22:12 EST ID:NhVFjF3f No.56818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If Trek were an RPG I'd probably kill him just for his snazzy unique uniform
Thy'lek Shran - Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:12:58 EST ID:sS5y1lLA No.56823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TNG Half a Life

HOLY shit dudes I am onto something here.

This episode is from May 1991, Gene died in October of 1991. He was in a wheel chair (?) and had already had a stroke around 89.

This whole episode (Botswana dealing with the death of science man) is about Gene.
Guinan - Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:23:44 EST ID:8zN8G5Rx No.56824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I never realized this but it really makes sense.. also I think it bears mentioning that this is the episode where they first gave Luxwana depth and made her a more likeable character. Interedesting.
Major Rakal - Tue, 25 Oct 2016 16:18:06 EST ID:Q99uj1Y0 No.56826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's a bit more ironic though, or fitting with the narrative that Roddenberry needed to let go of Star Trek to let it continue to grow. As his grip on the series loosened even his wife's character finally began to gain some depth.
Thy'lek Shran - Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:04:04 EST ID:sS5y1lLA No.56828 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Totally. Dr. Tillicum or whatever says a few times about his "forty years of work!" and whatnot.

At one point he says "Stars...are unpredictable as something something". But it seems like he is talking about hollywood stars, if you let it fall out of the fourth wall.
DaiMon Bractor - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:28:37 EST ID:siczhJsP No.56836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Currently watching Beyond
Fuckin 20 minutes in and the Enterprise already has no damn nacelles
DaiMon Bractor - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:57:13 EST ID:siczhJsP No.56837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I do like that Spock and Bones are stranded together though.
DaiMon Bractor - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 02:51:15 EST ID:siczhJsP No.56843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So, my final review on Beyond is that it was pretty good.
It was better than Into Darkness, and maybe about equal to 2009.
It had a really good cast. There were some major grievances on my part, but also some pretty good "pros."

Why didn't they go around the nebula?
Why didn't they send in a scout ship before sending the MF'in Enterprise?
Why did they take that chick's word at face value?
That fucking motorcycyle
The Beastie Boys saving the day
Kirk's hair
The whole homegrown terrorist angle was a little too on the nose and topical

The enemy race was kinda cool
Jalyn was kinda cool as well, interesting tech with her hologram devices
Dialogue was pretty good, especially between Bones and Spock
Great effects, especially with the battle with the swarm
The tribute to Nimoy was touching

Overall, probably give it a 7/10, rounding up.
Vosk - Fri, 28 Oct 2016 20:02:23 EST ID:MGqsIXaQ No.56866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
jesus this neelix episode is unwatchable.
Ensign Miral Paris - Sat, 29 Oct 2016 00:10:14 EST ID:J3LWDK5j No.56868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd say it was easily the best of the three. But that's not saying much.

I'm glad Bones finally got shit to do and more of Simon Pegg's Scotty is always a plus.
Vice Admiral Leyton - Mon, 07 Nov 2016 01:02:48 EST ID:MGqsIXaQ No.56956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So I'm coming up on 335mg of DXM and I'm watching voyager. Just had an episode where they go to an M-class planet that makes everyone itch, followed by an episode where everyone hallucinates. Relevant?
Vice Admiral Leyton - Mon, 07 Nov 2016 01:03:22 EST ID:MGqsIXaQ No.56957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Make that 345mg.
Donik - Mon, 07 Nov 2016 18:45:01 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wew lad. Do you have a trip report for us involving for us involving a mystical journey home across 70,000 lightyears?
Christine Chapel - Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:13:18 EST ID:U7Q3I8Pm No.57014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just watched the third Abrams Trek movie and I agree that it was better than the last two, but it was still disappointing. The entire movie was something blowing up or a fist fight or people quipping shitty one liners like they're at a stand up club. I thought Spock was really out of character and was basically acting like a grandiloquent human, not a Vulcan. They confuse big words for reason and logic. In the end it felt like someone was saying "this is what research shows people want so let's shove it down their throats!"
Weyoun 4 - Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:17:26 EST ID:sS5y1lLA No.57016 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>"this is what research shows people want so let's shove it down their throats!"

yep, art-by-focus-study
Groundskeeper Boothby - Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:19:07 EST ID:7vyJuoD/ No.57106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just finished TNG, moving on to TOS.
Benny Russell - Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:59:49 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Prepare your ears to be raped by trumpet blasts!
Seriously, when I first went to TOS from purely being in the '90s era shows, I was constantly distracted by the soundtrack. 'Did people really think shows need to sound like this back then?' Don't worry, you'll get used to the cheese and then love the cheese
Librarian - Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:19:19 EST ID:sS5y1lLA No.57112 Ignore Report Quick Reply

"Stage for Screen"

you are welcome
Erika Benteen - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:05:46 EST ID:BKzJY7m9 No.57123 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So I'm watching TNG seriously for the first time and is Pulaski supposed to be as unlikable as possible?
Admiral Hayes - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:46:06 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.57124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The intention was to have a female McCoy character I think

But instead of a guy who tries to be the voice of reason in a calm manner we get a woman who just speaks her mind in a condescending tone.
Ensign Robin Lefler - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:31:57 EST ID:sS5y1lLA No.57125 Ignore Report Quick Reply

No facts just my feelings: Crusher / Picard love interest was not in line with the vision of the show from someone. Pulaski is OK when you get to know her and she serves as an elder foil to Picard which helps us understand Picard a bit more. Really though I think it was about getting BevCrush out of the way so that Picard could slut around. Although he never really does.
Private W Woods - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:13:25 EST ID:fHr+JMyR No.57127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I suppose I can see where you're all coming from, especially with an elder foil (Riker is supposed to be younger than Picard, right?) but really she hasn't really added anything to the dynamic that the main cast already provided.

Even Wesley added something being a bit younger than the others... even if he was a tad bit too, uh, well liked.


>watching TOS episode The Naked Time
>Part where Sulu goes shirtless and wielding the rapier
>Kirk attempts to touch the tip of the rapier

I don't know whether that was a legit goof or not. Pic related.
Roger Lemli - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:04:49 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gates McFadden left the show to pursue her movie career. They had to replace her with someone, that was out of their hands. They tried to replicate the Bones character because in early TNG they were still trying to be TOS round 2 and hadn't found their own voice yet.
I think people give ol' Pulz too hard of a time. Yes, she's a condescending cunt, but that's the whole point of her character. Everyone up until she arrives is all peace love and Kumbaya, she comes in as basically an opinionated bigot, and we get to see her character evolve into someone who would at least not smash the Kumbaya guitar.
Chakotay - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:45:51 EST ID:xFnlgs1F No.57129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Gates McFadden left the show to pursue her movie career.
You're thinking of Denise Crosby.

Gates left because of disagreement over writing and the character. There were also allegations of sexual harassment.
B'Elanna Torres - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 19:01:03 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Quoting memory alpha here:
>>An official announcement states, that McFadden had left the series to pursue other career options.


>>During her break from Star Trek, McFadden played Cathy Ryan (coincidentally another doctor with a husband named Jack) in the movie The Hunt for Red October

It's true Crosby also left to pursue her film career. Genre TV actors leaving genre TV to move into film is pretty much par for the course, it happened to almost all the alumni of Star Trek who actually made it out of the Trek quagmire. There was also a huge shakeup between seasons 1 and 2 of TNG, with Hurley becoming showrunner and basically wanting to turn everything on it's head, so they may have both seen the writing on the wall at the same time and both decided to leave for similar reasons.
Odo - Fri, 25 Nov 2016 07:55:51 EST ID:fHr+JMyR No.57132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TNG episode "Loud as a Whisper"

That makes me wonder what's the situation with deaf culture in the Star Trek era.
Odo - Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:12:29 EST ID:fHr+JMyR No.57133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, I have to say even though DS9 was my first Star Trek series, I've come to really appreciate Picard and his ideals as I've gotten older, especially as a person who has been both sjw and anti-sjw

Not that I don't appreciate Sisko's willingness to get his hands dirty.

I'm also coming to appreciate Pulaski a bit more.
Captain Solok - Sat, 26 Nov 2016 04:44:35 EST ID:0XTarB5Q No.57140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She's an opinionated bigot but she's still brave and kind and that's actually pretty real you know? Not so much Roddenberry's perfect future but real.
Torg - Sun, 27 Nov 2016 00:12:39 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.57154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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turns out this was the ear equivalent of geordis visor
Seven of Nine - Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:49:40 EST ID:sS5y1lLA No.57155 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Uhura is secretly part deaf and we never fucking knew it

I actually like this idea.
Seven of Nine - Sun, 27 Nov 2016 16:28:54 EST ID:sS5y1lLA No.57156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TNG Season 3

Been burning through season three over the holiday. This really is the golden age.
Lt. Daniels - Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:58:30 EST ID:RxQ4CZd2 No.57320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TNG Genesis

What a lame Halloween episode.
DaiMon Bok - Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:18:26 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seeing Barclay as a spider and Troi as a giant salamander is worth anything, bro.
Deanna Troi - Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:31:21 EST ID:90oFOcqs No.57328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I actually like that episode, mostly cuz it was directed by Gates and her role in it is so minute and over the top that it's hilarious.
Toral - Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:35:09 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.57331 Ignore Report Quick Reply

But we found out that Picard's spirit animal is Lemur

Also, lol at the fact that even with Picard turning into a frightened monkey and Worf reverting to Paleo-Klingon beat mode Worf still got BTFO
Gul Darhe'el - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 09:46:11 EST ID:rKPlmQHv No.57557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Started watching Voyager since the marathon is on BBCA.

I definitely wouldn't call it bad, but it's just not really grabbing me. I know the shows tend to start out slow and everything, but it really does feel like they're just kind of casually exploring the Delta Quadrant instead of trying to get back home. I'm hoping it changes into its own thing later on just like with TNG and DS9, but from what I read that doesn't happen.

And the characters. I really want to like them but it seems like the actors just isn't getting into them. Maybe it's not them but more the writing. Janeway is far less controversial than I thought she'd be, but again I heard she's not as bad in the earlier seasons. Kes is kawaii as fuck, too bad her actress lost her mind.

Still, it still has the overall Trek feeling, if nothing else. It just seems like lost potential.
Gul Darhe'el - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 12:08:59 EST ID:rKPlmQHv No.57559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And I've finally watched Threshold. It certainly didn't start out bad but it just got out of control.
Gul Darhe'el - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:10:19 EST ID:rKPlmQHv No.57560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To give the episode some credit though, McNeill's acting was pretty good and Tom spitting out his tongue was neat but that wasn't enough to save the episode.
Sarek - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 15:44:01 EST ID:qqC6VKPF No.57562 Ignore Report Quick Reply

id say it gets better, theres an entire season though thats a waste (i believe its season 4), literally they could have deleted that entire season and nothing would be different

it definitely does improve though
Kai Opaka - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 18:53:25 EST ID:WvxRN+q6 No.57564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not technically trek but worthy and honorable nonetheless:
(Klingon History)
Emperor Kahless - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 19:03:08 EST ID:rKPlmQHv No.57565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>VOY Innocence

I maybe off for this one, but couldn't this entire episode could have been prevented if the Drayans could have just told everyone upfront about their aging process and ceremony?
Furel - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 19:55:58 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.57566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There are a tonne of VOY episodes that would have ended in the teaser if everyone in the Delta Quadrant were not standoffish assholes.
Rom - Wed, 04 Jan 2017 17:45:49 EST ID:rKPlmQHv No.57572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>VOY Tuvix

The biggest issue with this episode was that it couldn't really work at all with the status quo reset button nature of Voyager. Tuvok and Neelix were going to come back. Something like this deserves at least a two parter.

What >>56639 wrote was good, but I'd add something like Tuvok and Neelix were still like technically alive and his existence was causing them pain. Tuvix would wonder if it's right for him to live like that and finally deciding to sacrifice his life to bring them back. Only problem with that is that it kinda lets Janeway off morally and I feel like that was the major point of the episode.
Captain Tel-Peh - Wed, 04 Jan 2017 17:56:46 EST ID:UKKS3Tki No.57573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The status quo is the biggest issue with VOY. Characters develop but the ship and universe don't around them. The doctor and seven both become people and then decent people. 2Vac further learns about humanity (or at least gets more comfortable showing others he actually gets people all along), Torres confronts her daddy issues, Paris becomes responsible rather than an angry nihilist (remains a smug asshole though), even Harry becomes confident (imagine if Janeway wasn't keeping him down) ironically it's the two highest ranked officers who change least. But then I guess they have to be almost as static as the ship.

In endgame Janeway shows she accumulated all sorts of tech in voyager's journey but by the end of season 7 they've not actually got anything except a ship they designed themselves. It would have been cool if they'd collaberated with another race at some point and co invented an upgrade or two for their ship. They could have had episodes favours to earn better weapons, shields power or scanners to pass a dangerous area and shit like that during the various seasons. This would make voyager an even bigger power by the end of the series but they were going to send it home long before it could go toe to toe with borg cubes without using a limited resource, needing time to rebuild/replace some parts or ammo. Of course for this to work Janeway would have to develop a sense of who to trade with and trust and who the "good guys" are rather than fucking up one trade deal beyond belief then giving up entirely. But hey, status quo right?
Azan - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 22:10:23 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.57601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The flavor text on that card is dope.

They pay lip service to that shit, but it is there if you think about it. Like they mention "Borg shields and enhancements" and they do have a bunch of Borg infrastructure on the ship that Seven uses as well. They unveil the astrometrics lab as a big achievement. This is all Seven of Nine related somehow. And of course the Delta Flyer. Which...they should have had like 8 of those fuckers, going out and scouting on long range sensors for resources, energy, wormholes, weird intergalactic transporters, etc. They clearly had some kind of manufacturing wing in that shuttle bay with the number of shuttle craft they lost during that fucking show.

But yeah it would have been cool to see more of a focus on that stuff, and certainly to see more persistent battle damage. One thing they could have easily done is, instead of having extras walking down a hallway past our crew during expository scenes, they could have had them doing repair work. Or installing new technology. Etc.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 22:36:27 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.57602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Your entire post is why I've never bothered watching much of Voyager.

They took the most exciting Trek premise to ever happen, the one with the most room, that by the end of the series it could have been a COMPLETELY different set of people, a completely different ship coming back from the Delta Quadrant.

But like you said, status quo. They ended the fucking show on a goddamn reset-episode ending.

People get mad at me for saying Enterprise was a better show, and even though it had an abhorrently atrocious ending, at LEAST there was real development; there was a real, tangible effect on the show's universe and you knew when it ended that the things they did had a real impact, that the characters changed as the show went on.

If I was a multi billioniare and could buy all the rights to Trek, I think i'd start with a complete reboot of Voyager. There was SOOOOOO much wasted potential there. The writers were ahead of the curve on their pitches for the show, and the execs as always were a generation behind on implementing them.
Rionoj - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 09:06:46 EST ID:UKKS3Tki No.57603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah I forgot a lot of that shit but I think that sums up why they failed. I mean I'm not saying season 7 voyager should have been unrecognisable but it should have a few upgrades. I mean they've met so many more advanced races. The thing about humans and tech is, if we have an idea we're very good at finding a way to make it happen. If you've seen it happen and probably have scanner data, then I think with a bunch of starfleet officers knocking around it should be very doable.

Surely with all the enemy they fought on arrival back at the alpha quandrant they should have advanced starfleet weapons shielding and engine tech about 15 years each but you get the feeling that all they provided was good test data for a now established ship class.
Azan - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:27:26 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.57604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I mean they've met so many more advanced races.

I don't know about that either. I mean, certainly they've met advanced races, but my impression was always that the Delta Quadrant was a backwater generally. Other than the Borg and the Hirogen and some aliens of the week.

Voyager is also often referred to as one of the most technologically advanced ships in the region whenever people see it. She's simply outnumbered most of the time.

I thought of another big innovation that kind of counts: The weird duplicate Voyager managed to perfect slipstream technology, so IMO the real Voyager crew would have been capable of that same feat without the same results assuming they had whatever idea duplicate crew had.
Lt. Joseph Carey - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:27:46 EST ID:N1v2Vs8N No.57607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Silver Blood Voyager only got to building it, not using it

presumably theirs had exactly the same flaws as the original
Dr. Reyga - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 21:49:10 EST ID:TdmiuD6e No.57609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looking back on it, it wasn't Slip Stream but just some enhanced warp core. And they don't use it until the end when they're desperate to get back to the Y Class planet. But the enhanced drive did work, they shut it down early because they figured it was the radiation (which would have been benign to non-silver blood beings) that was causing their issues.
Seskal - Sun, 08 Jan 2017 11:59:24 EST ID:H39fqjWc No.57611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>That moment when you realize Gary Seven is really just American Doctor Who
Guinan - Sun, 08 Jan 2017 20:35:54 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.57618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Such a shitty knockoff too.. goddamn that episode is up there on my top 5most shittiest of all Trak
Ardon Broht - Mon, 09 Jan 2017 00:44:00 EST ID:sQLio0UG No.57621 Ignore Report Quick Reply

yes, it sets the tone for the third season of the show

I have never seen many of the third season episodes
Curzon Odo - Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:56:44 EST ID:T17RUuBL No.57625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But hey!
What if Gary Seven was actually Wesley Crusher's seventh incarnation and Isis was his Q companion!
Sarina Douglas - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:08:04 EST ID:cEFOolYV No.57626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching DS9 season six: Sons and Daughters.

Fucking Alexander.
Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:35:07 EST ID:n8McU5oH No.57630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
there's a bit of general Spy-Fi ripoff in there too, but yeah it's the Doctor with a stoned ray instead of a sonic screwdriver, the same magic ID card, and a slightly different cost-saving "walk out of normal door" technique
Trentin Fala - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:14:52 EST ID:OikXj97p No.57631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>VOY Future's End

I always enjoy Star Trek episodes that take place in contemporary times. I feel like what little I've watched of S3 Voyager is a huge improvement, though it feels like they threw out the lost in space concept by now.
K'Ehleyr - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:42:29 EST ID:5LFMnEaK No.57650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks bro i've been looking for the spacedawg episodes
Subcommander Velal - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:15:21 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.57682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
decided to do an only worf episodes run.

picard daggled his family honor in front of him like he was fucking with him for almost getting stabbed in some dumb court case.

and iridians, in birthright i think that's one of the early appearances. NO FUCKING THUMBS. how you get space tech wth no thumbs? were they uplifted and used as spies by some past galactic power thus giving them a reputation as information brokers?
Subcommander Velal - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:19:01 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.57683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
and then in gambit part 1 they get an iridian and the second his part demands he pick some thing up suddenly thumbs.
Guinan - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:18:46 EST ID:ef2hX2Yo No.57686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's Yridiians (closed caption taught me) and they show those dudes like three times and they have wildly different hands each time
Jossen - Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:52:55 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.57744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
huh, I never watch with subtitles but it always sounded like it began with I.
Guinan - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:17:32 EST ID:wvFGPKIO No.57745 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Trust me, even among Star trek nerds I am a nerd

Mordoc - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 14:02:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.57856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>ENT S1E20 Oasis
This is the first ENT episode that is just really bad.
Fuckin ghosts.
Furel - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:54:24 EST ID:TJx6CT+d No.57858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TNG s4e24 The Next Phase

I always laugh at how the main villain of this episode was killed off. Pic related.

Also, were they trying to make Ro and Geordi a thing? I was probably imagining that.
Furel - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:55:32 EST ID:TJx6CT+d No.57859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Captain Goroth - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:29:00 EST ID:q8YKO3bs No.57860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Archer has a very stocky neck
DaiMon Bok - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:17:25 EST ID:T9o5ymNT No.57862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Almost finished with my first time watching Deep Space Nine all the way through.

I'm not sure why it gets shit on so much. I'm loving it. Maybe because I'm binge watching it?

Also, Weyoun is best boy.
Chairman Koval - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 20:28:47 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.57863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People who genuinely think DS9 is bad simply have bad taste. There's no real other way to put it. It's a well made show that achieves what it set out to do, and much more. I suspect there are also a lot of people who dislike it for not being TNG or Voyager. As in, they simply do not like the core concept of DS9. When I was young, there were still a lot of the old curmudgeons hurduring about how it can't be proper Star Trek because they don't "trek" anywhere with the space station.
Cmdr. Williams - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:14:13 EST ID:BugATLBx No.57864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Weyoun 6 is best weyoun. you are the bajoran filth. you are the bajoran scum you stink bajoran REMOVE HASPERATE
DaiMon Bok - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:46:02 EST ID:T9o5ymNT No.57865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am a total slut for Next Generation, but DS9 has introduced me to who I think might be my new favorite Star Trek characters in Sisko and Garak.
Commander Donatra - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 23:01:16 EST ID:rL+jXxSr No.57866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Then those dumb asses forget the first ep. they move the station and go on a trek to the worm hole like every weekend to piss people off.
Hoshi Sato - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 23:49:59 EST ID:w/4dKlhi No.57867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rewatched Season 1 of Voyager the last few days. Thought I might want to get back into it. Something about Kate Mulgrew's acting drives me up the wall. It's the pouty face! What is the pouty face she makes all the time, lol

I tried to find a picture of it, but instead I found a picture of what looks like a man in drag. Oh god I just can't take her seriously anymore. So long Voyager rewatch lmao
Senator Kimara Cretak - Fri, 03 Feb 2017 01:15:22 EST ID:L3E9v1HE No.57869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She's got a very adrogynous face. Powerful really. I can deal with it. She was a good captain too.She's a little chessy but a lot of trek is a little chessy anyways.
Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Fri, 03 Feb 2017 19:27:39 EST ID:w/4dKlhi No.57875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It turns out I can deal with it, too, because I am still watching the show. Tuvok is too sexy for me to let a little Mulgrew pout muck it up. Voyager was my first Star Trek, so Janeway was my introduction to a powerful female captain. Sometimes she is just so ballsy that I can't not love her.

>We may be in the delta quadrant, but we will still adhere to Starfleet protocol!
>BRUTALIZE THIS STARSHIP FOR TRIGGERING ME, warp us ten thousand light years closer to home on the ashes of their debris. I smell COFFEE.
Daniel Jackson - Sat, 04 Feb 2017 08:43:38 EST ID:hFMjIe3s No.57877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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She loved her cup of hot coffee. That's the only thing I can relate to her with.
T'Pau - Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:21:56 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.57878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ENT-Carbon Creek
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Sat, 04 Feb 2017 12:27:25 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.57879 Ignore Report Quick Reply

We just watched this one as well. Wife is from PA so it has a kind of homey feel for her.

Anyway that's not how plumbing works, the drip is clearly from the nut and simply draining on the bottom of the pipe... the effects dudes pointed the lazer at the wrong part.
Tuvok - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:25:42 EST ID:Kxe9Z6A5 No.57889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>ENT-A Night in Sickbay
This episode was really funny, especially the dream sequences. Phlox is #1.
Admiral Patrick - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:32:19 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.57890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wasn't that the determined to be the worst EP in the entire canon? Worse than Threshold.
I didn't hate it either btw.
Mezoti - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:30:39 EST ID:ZQh4jLN8 No.57893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I know a lot of people really hate it but I thought it was really funny, and I guess if campy=bad then it was really fucking bad. But some people take trek too seriously.
Mezoti - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:55:09 EST ID:ZQh4jLN8 No.57894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, threshold is infinitely worse. I'm not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion.
Thrax - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 00:09:35 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.57895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
idk I thought that was one of the only decent ENT episodes just because Phlox was the only decent character on that fucking ship
Duras - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 02:28:37 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.57906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I guess it's the people who rate their experience of a show based on an autistic sense of "self consistency" instead of entertainment value. And there's a lot of trekkies like that.
Dr. Leah Brahms - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:38:40 EST ID:dH8EWgir No.57909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It happens a lot with non-trekkies too. And I understand the feeling, it's just that if something is overall entertaining I can manage to look over a mistake or two. Then again, I'm more bothered by character inconsistencies than plotholes.
Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:09:08 EST ID:dH8EWgir No.57920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>VOY Year of Hell I & II

This was pretty good. I heard rumor that this was meant to be a seasonal arc but UPN wouldn't allow it. Too bad, Annorax would've made a good Big Bad. Also, this basically earned Janeway the title of Insaneway, even though there are probably other moments before this that were more deserving.
Guinan - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 23:55:30 EST ID:cR6S8W8N No.57925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Year of Hell actually being a season with other advebtures and episodes interspersed within a grander storyline, like the Xindi arc, only possibly good
Iliana Ghemor - Wed, 08 Feb 2017 23:26:20 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.57948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It definitely would have been good. Chakotay getting sucked in more and more with Anorax's madness after him and Paris get captured would be good too.
Broca - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 01:11:45 EST ID:dH8EWgir No.57958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TNG Birthright I and II

Data's subplot was far more interesting than Worf's drama. In fact, this entire two parter should've been about Data instead. It was far more entertaining seeing Data having a trip than Worf being grumpy all the time. I mean damn the second part was really fucking boring. The only interesting thing was Worf being racist against Romulans, but even that kinda faltered and I think that was in the first part. The second part was just boring, at least Treshold had the entire "what the fuck were they thinking" angle. It's just like someone just wanted to write an episode where Worf is grumpy about bullshit. I can't even call the second part really bad. It just... exists. First part was great, second part was there and boring.
Guinan - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 12:11:18 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.57959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I agree very much. The Worf story is decent but it shoulda been the part in only one episode. Data part should have been longer with more revelations about Soongs crazy shit
Natima Lang - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 23:06:57 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.57964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>ENT Season 3

Man where is nostalgia-goggles guy to talk about this abortion of a show? I mean, I have learned to love it, but jeezuz krice is this a show about 9/11 or is this a show about 9/11?
M'ret - Sat, 11 Feb 2017 01:50:10 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.57970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's totally the 9/11 season.
Legate Porania - Sat, 11 Feb 2017 02:49:51 EST ID:SpkphYvS No.57971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Okay, I just finished Deep Space Nine. I understand why people shit on it now.

Throughout 7 seasons, I never thought to myself "this is a really shitty episode" until I got to the last episode.

The final battle was awesome but everything else was a mess. How they wrapped up all the lingering stories was clumsy as hell. I was expecting much more from the pa'wraith storyline, but it was fucking nothing.
Guinan - Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:10:49 EST ID:bKgbNgyA No.57977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Season 7 mostly sucks. It's like Vic Fontaine was the representation of decay and cancer in the show. It declined and continued to decline all the way until the end once he shows up.

Instead of what they did, the war should have wrapped up at the beginning of season 7, giving way for closure and trek politics about what happens after Cardaassia gets fucked, more prophets stuff that wasn't retarded soap opera bullshit, etc.

The only way the metaphor could have been MORE transparent would be if the Xindi prayed facing Mecca
Natima Lang - Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:14:43 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.57979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just watched this dude fistfuck, I mean fist fight Reed.

Honest question: why didn't they just hook up?
Sarek - Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:28:39 EST ID:wkPz4yP/ No.57980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I agree, DS9's whole war thing was awesome..for about 2.5 seasons. Then it just got old. They would have "explored how war affects Star Trek ideals" much better if they had spent at least half of Season 7 showing life going back to normal. Maybe station at DS9 a science ship instead of a warship. Show reconstruction, do a hardcore PTSD episode. Instead of whatever that nonsense was at the end.
Commander Suran - Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:07:57 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.57981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
agreeded. It was so odd to see the war being to slow down, and seemingly ending in a peace... then in the final 7 episodes it ramps up 100 fold with Breen joining the Dominion, Earth getting blown up, Political upheaval for the Klingons, and the sudden total rebellion of Cardassia, and finally a super fleet being put together in record time and attacking Cardassia prime.

Never mind the Prohpets/Pah-Wraths shit.
Curzon Dax - Sat, 11 Feb 2017 23:55:15 EST ID:SpkphYvS No.57983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think maybe the war could have wrapped up in the middle of season 7 and the rest of the season could have been about tracking down Gul Dukat as he tries to release the pa'wraiths and giving us some more closure on the state of the galaxy.

They set up something really interesting at the end, showing us that it's a whole new era for multiple cultures like the Ferengi, the Klingons, and Cardassia. I kind of want to see that.
B'Elanna Torres - Sun, 12 Feb 2017 08:14:34 EST ID:6jFPavA+ No.57984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hayes was basicly a marine, and they repress their gay
Reed was engligh not gay, its just english propriety comes across as a little camp to yankee eyes
Montgomery Scott - Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:59:42 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.57985 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Re-watch the show.

Reed's whole character only makes sense as a closeted homosexual. The "navyman" analogy in his character is akin to Hitchcocks Rope.
Brathaw - Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:35:58 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.57986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Reed's whole character only makes sense as a closeted homosexual
I disagree. However I agree that he also makes perfect sense as a closeted homosexual. He also makes perfect sense as a repressed isolated englishman. People like him are rather unfortunately two a penny.

I don't get why he has to be gay unless you ignore all the times his attraction to women causes him problems or disappointment or even is a major plot point or moment or character development. But yeah if you completely ignore that. He's gay. The same way that if you ignore all all the red and blue that the American flag is just a blank white cloth.

His fight with Hayes is probably the gayest scene in star trek though, even gayer than DS9 mirror universe episodes. I think you're just caught up on that. Garak is a gay guy who was rewritten straight by the execs, Reed is just a sperglord in space.
Montgomery Scott - Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:16:10 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.57990 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Maybe the problem is I don't know enough (or any really) englishmen.

Just rewatching E2 right now, and he is all tore up that Reed2 ends up dying alone. I suppose that fits either interpretation.

I guess what I am saying is that I think the stuffy englishdude shtick is itself a metaphor for his repressed sexuality. The show was on Fox or some shit, and all full of muh 911 during the anti-gay marriage moves in various states.... not safe territory for a gay character....

Whatever though. I dig your perspective and I concede to your points.
Christopher Brynner - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:34:49 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>ENT The Shipment
So far this Xindi arc isn't that bad, but it looks like the whole season is one big arc with occasional "standalone" episodes based in the expanse. I think they made a mistake with the whole season being one arc, but I don't think the actual lore of the arc is that bad. At least so far, as I'm only still in the beginning of season 3.
Christopher Brynner - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:40:20 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
*minus the obvious plot armor of the Xindi not waiting until their weapon was done being built to destroy earth lol. That's just straight up retarded.
Keiko O'Brien - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:13:56 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.58011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The original was a test. The biggest issue with S3 is it fucking drags and drags. And then it even drags one episode into season 4. They could have cut about half the S3 plot out and it'd have been fine. It's like "can something happen now?" everything takes twice as long as it needs to. 24 episodes for a single story that basically just restores status quo.

On the bright side on season 4 they get it right. They have multi episode arcs that span 2 or 3 episodes with about the same amount of universe development and stuff happening and those are really good. I think comparing the good in S3 with 3 episodes of S4 is probably about right. If you come straight out of Season 3 into 4, it will blow your mind. This is down to an increased incidence of a) things happening (I reckon it's 8 times denser and they all represent historic (proto) federation milestones) and b) Shran.
Captain Edward Jellico - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:46:36 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah I can definitely see that. I'm watching Similitude now and I'm also noticing that they're being really cheap in plot devices.

>An episode where T'pol gets sick (Vulcan zombie episode-wasn't actually that bad)
>An episode where Hoshi is mentally held captive
>An episode where Archer loses long term memory
>And an episode where Trip suffers a huge injury

All 4 of those episodes are within a 5 episode span. If they weren't so close together it wouldn't feel so cheap, but it's starting to get old. You can tell they're being pretty lazy.

And yeah all I've seen of Season 4 is the mirror episode, and that episode is amazing, so I've seen some of the potential. I'm looking forward to getting there but don't wanna skip anything, so regardless of how tedious season 3 gets, I'll trudge through it.
Lt. JG Saavik - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:36:58 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.58013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>it even drags one episode into season 4
Dude I LOVED the ending to Season 3 and into Season 4. I remember watching that when it aired like: O_O what the fuck
Keiko O'Brien - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:37:55 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.58014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think I was just so fatigued by the Xindi arc I wanted a new story. Not one last "Oh but actually it's not really done" no matter how fucking crazy it actually was.
Guinan - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:47:39 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.58015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why didn't they test it somewhere that wouldn't reveal their plan?
Seven of Nine - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:10:47 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.58016 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>was getting captured part of your plan?
Guinan - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:24:09 EST ID:9msoTSN+ No.58021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Mfw even Star trek is not immune to bane posting
Keiko O'Brien - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:45:21 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.58023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only thing I can think of that the Xindi believed some mysterious people who basically turned the space they worked on into a zone of death for them. Sure we trust you, I mean you're only rendering known space lethal to us. I'm sure there's no link between that and our eventual demise which you've not actually shown us, you've just told us.

I mean seriously the crew of the D didn't let Dr Rasmussen get away with that shit, but yet these space people fooled a WHOLE FUCKING EMPIRE.

Maybe humanity really is smarter than most other races?
Minister Kuvak - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:13:58 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>ENT Chosen Realm
Wow that has got to be the most politically heavy handed trek episode of all time. Like I know that ENT is all about post 9/11 politics but god damn that was so in your face. Maybe it's just because I'm looking back from now, but it felt extremely contrived. Space jihad, hijacking the Enterprise. Like it's not even metaphors, it's 9/11 in space.
Minister Kuvak - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:59:42 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Proving Ground
Malcolm isn't gay, he's totally into this Andorian chick.
Idrin - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 23:25:39 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Okay, I think he's bi because he's giving Hayes the same looks he gave that Andorian chick.
Greskrendtregk - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 02:25:50 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.58033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TAS The Infinite Vulcan

do these plant guys ever get mentioned again? I think they'd be a cool addition to the Fed
Tom Paris - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 08:26:51 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.58034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is this the one where Spock mind melds with a giant Spock and creates an infinite cycle of giant Spock?

I saw that episode coming down on mushrooms and it sobered me up. I was like "what the fuck were these guys on?"
Morn - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:12:16 EST ID:DnsI5ZDb No.58035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not exactly watching, but I stumbled upon a summary of These Are the Voyages, and wow, way to piss off everyone. At least I finally understand the Riker kitchen jokes.
Koss - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:37:35 EST ID:Sp7wRHGQ No.58037 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Enterprise is a cooking sim.
Nevala - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 20:20:39 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.58039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah it is, TAS in general has been fucking strange so far
Syrran - Sat, 18 Feb 2017 03:54:22 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>ENT E^2
Lmfao I couldn't help but fuckin laugh out loud when T'pol was meeting old T'pol.
It was just too much. Also, Archer should have tortured that motherfucker.

Archer is the best captain so far. By far. Archer is saving the motherfucking human race. He has to do what has to be done. And if that includes beating, torturing and even RAPING aliens, then that's just what had to be done. He's the fucking man.

Based captain.
Jean-Luc Picard - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 03:26:08 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.58051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Dinner Dash: Enterprise
>Replicate. Serve. Delicious.
>Gordon Ramsay's Replicator Malfunctions
>Tritanium Chef
Menos - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 12:15:03 EST ID:JpsWdQPO No.58052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I can't bring myself to watch old episodes anymore. I've watched them all through so many times and memories of the eras they represent come flowing back to me like PTSD. Some good (Star Trek TNG era) some bad (Voyager era, enterprise era) but not having to do with anything in particular except my own life.

I feel sad when I think that there probably won't be a new Star Trek series that isn't just a remake of an old one. I think that Gene would have wanted new content to be produced with the same spirit of going boldly into the unknown, representing new things that people did not understand in their modern life in the form of alien encounters, etc, that sort of thing.

"There are not enough aliens on this show!" I recall Gene saying once about TNG (which fixed itself soon afterwards). I feel that there are not enough aliens in new Sci-fi shows being produced, it's all about gritty realism or marketable "dark" space horror thematic bullshit.

NB Just my two-cents. I am hard to please. I will probably watch ENT later this week anyway because it's the series I've watched the least.
Corporal Chang - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 12:53:57 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude... why the horrible loli guro?
Gul Darhe'el - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 16:15:46 EST ID:DnsI5ZDb No.58054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cleary he's distressed over the lack of new Trek.
Turanj - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 18:16:41 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.58055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah but that image is worse than Rascals fanfic.
Tiron - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:33:53 EST ID:JpsWdQPO No.58073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sorry man I guess I'm just desensitized to this shit now. I blame lack of Star Trek.
Elim Garak - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:02:37 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.58112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I watched first contact for the first time today
Why is the borg queen such a succubus?
I expected better from those who have transcended mere flesh. I actually would have thought that after however long of a period she's been through where sex is completely irrelevant she wouldn't have been so suggestive.
Really, she should be a lot more autistic like seven of nine but I guess she's supposed to be the charisma of the borg so maybe her role is specialized.
Still, disappointed in her as always.
Guinan - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:43:59 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly you're right, the Borg queen is all kinds of wrong, it should have just been Vger again.

Or better yet, don't add something like that which goes against the very nature of the Borg shown so far?

>Oh but we need a character so data can do things. It's fine if it permanently ruins the Borg, we just want ticket revenues
Lt. George Primmin - Thu, 02 Mar 2017 03:58:04 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Working my way through DS9, and fuck I can't stand the Bajoran-Cardie conflict, up until this episode. This episode was just so well executed. I give a lot of credit to the guy who played the Gul Darhe'el wannabe. His "because they were clean" monologue and all the other banter with Kira was so well done, and he was just so based. And then with the twist, and him breaking down in tears and wanting the Cardies to come forth for their crimes. It was just so well done. The obvious comparisons to Nazi work/death camps was drawn pretty well, at least in this episode, I must say. Fucking excellent.
Benjamin Sisko - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 21:53:39 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.58173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the borg queen was worth it just for the scene where she goes down on data
Tallera - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 13:37:27 EST ID:FwGGxovs No.58174 Ignore Report Quick Reply

hands down the best s1 episode of any trek, it's completely great.
Guinan - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 23:37:50 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58176 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Just watched this today. Easily one of the best DS9 episodes. One of the best episodes in all of trek as well.
Quark - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 00:51:28 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.58177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Watching Course: Oblivion. Always my favorite voyager episode. Makes me cry like a bitch[/spoiler].

People who slam Voyager forget about episodes like this.
EMH MARK 2 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 01:41:51 EST ID:DnsI5ZDb No.58178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As someone else said before, Voyager feels more like summer camp in space than a desperate journey to get back home. I don't really find that a bad thing necessarily, I don't know if I could handle the series being entirely like Year of Hell, which was good shit I definitely won't deny.

Voyager is just kinda... I dunno. It has Trekking but it doesn't exactly change up much from its predecessors. But it's Trek, and every series has it bad and good. I'd rather watch Threshold than whatever is hip and with it these days on television.

I really should get around watching ENT, but it seems like I'd hate Archer. I'm always seeing him getting his ass kicked in screen caps.
Emperor Sompek - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 04:18:05 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.58184 Ignore Report Quick Reply

He gets his ass kicked because he tries to go straight into being Picard without the established position required for Picard's variety of diplomacy. After two or so seasons of getting his ass kicked he admits it's a good idea for the ship to have guns on it and starts becoming more Kirkish to suit the frontier
Guinan - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 17:49:07 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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When you look at it.. ENT had a concept of making Archer go from a doofus to Earth's first seasoned deep space captain.. they had this concept of character growth, it was just so sloppily done, and ended before we could see what any of these people would become.

They had a good idea, they just did a shit job. That's pretty much Enterprise in a nutshell.

A part of me kind of hopes that the idea behind Archer being the 'shadowy future dude' was going to be explained in the 7th season series finale 3-parter where they fucked with the timeline to prevent the Temporal Cold War from ever even happening and undoing the Xindi war as well to prevent some horrible event from destroying the galaxy or some shit. Or they could have not fucked around with all this time travel bullshit in the first place and just made it so it was the Romulans that attacked Earth like it should have been.
Enabran Tain - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 21:05:06 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.58191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It does, it's true. And it's definitely more geared towards the feel-inclined and those who like to see incredulous relationships work out.

I like the big family in space vibe because each other is all they have.
Enabran Tain - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 21:10:28 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.58192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Archer is my least favorite captain. He's worse than even Janeway imo because her instability is at least amusing and leads to cool plotlines.

However, he doesn't get as much of the spotlight in ENT as Picard gets in TNG or Janeway gets in VOY. My impression of him is simply bland, although to put it broadly he isn't notable enough to be a deterrent to watching the series.
Guinan - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 22:46:18 EST ID:OLPp7laY No.58193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jellico and Pike both beat Archer easily
Ambassador Soval - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:07:09 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58201 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>DS9: Sanctuary
Holy shit the Skrreea are annoying as fuck, and stupid. They're like bajorans^2. I feel like the writers were anti-zionist becuase there are the obviou symbols in them being equated to Jews, searching for their own zion.
It made me wanna shoot that bitch when at the end of the episode, after all that stupid shit went down, she has the nerve to continue to talk down to Kira and the Bajorans for not letting them in.
Skrreans are officially the worst race in Trek. Or does anyone think there is an other race that can best the annoying Skrreans at their own game (of being obnoxious?
Grand Nagus Zek - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:45:15 EST ID:plgprGep No.58202 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I myself thought the writers created Skreeaans to make Bajoran's look less terrible by comparison. I don't know if they're the worst race, but they're certainly the worst race to shit all over an episode.
Ambassador Soval - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:52:33 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58203 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah for clarity, I meant to say that they're the worst in terms of most annoying
Commander Donatra - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 21:08:15 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>VOY Latent Image

Ow, right in the feels. Dunno how this episode stands lorewise but I could empathize with the Doc's ordeal way too much, especially lately.
Douglas Pabst - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 06:39:19 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.58209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The binars were pretty anoying but they didn't get a whole lot of screen time. I'd say pre-DS9 Farengi were just retarded obnoxious dicks. But hey Mrs Troi is an alien so she wins.. technically. my head canon for completely human looking aliens is Humans from pre ENT that have colonized planets and evolved a little with the environment over the few hundred years to post ENT/TOS. [%]
Sphere Builder - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:35:44 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly, that would make a lot of sense in the Star Trek universe of the multiracial Federation constantly being challenged by monoracial empires. There are too many of them for it to hold up completely, but for guys like the Betazoids, who act for all the world like telepathic humans, it's none too shabby.
Guinan - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:17:25 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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the bynars were just a super-gay, and by gay I truly mean homosexual because they all seemed to be male and they were very inimately paired up if-ya-know-wat-i-mean... they were just a.. "fabulous" version of the borg, instead of assimilating people they just distract them with porn and steal their starships and redecorate them and shit

>after the transhumanist gay sex orgy
Admiral William J Ross - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 06:22:29 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Watching DS9 and starting to realize that Odo is definitely the best security officer. Why?

>He is a master detective. He's had a lot more detective experience on ds9, solving and helping to solve various cases ranging from petty theft to terrorist attacks/international espionage/terrorist attacks.
>Obviously, his shapeshifter abilities. If they had the budget to do moe cgi, Odo easily could have been the most badass chatacter in all of Trek history.
>His strength. It's not really well defined how strong he is, but I've seen him do things in hand to hand combat that would make the badass version of Worf jealous.
>Just the idea of him and his being around must be terrifying for anyone looking to cross him. Fear Factor. Mostly because of the unknowns. He's unpredictable in tactics and foreign in physical nature.
I'm sure there are a few more that I am missing but those are all massive advantages that he has over any other security officer.
Sarah Sisko - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 09:18:19 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.58225 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Odo is pretty much the best I agree. All fo your points plus his observation of Humanoid nature. I'm sure he could even give data a few lessons but the one time they get to potentially mash up they waste it on Bashir fagging out over his hair.
Commander Tomalak - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 20:06:12 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Speaking of Data. Who do you think would win in a fight, Data or Odo?
Greer - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 20:45:15 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.58235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Unless Data's bringing a phaser, it's impossible to beat Odo in a fight.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 23:23:59 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.58237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He could flood his body with electricity and fry Odo if Odo tries to ooze inside his body cavity.
Arne Darvin - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 22:13:26 EST ID:hSfbtEAd No.58246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You have to define the rules. Because Odo could turn into a small bird, fly into the air, turn into a giant boulder and crush Data if it's a straight up murder you're looking for. If Data had time to prepare, Odo would be a fine powder or dust within 60 seconds.

I think Odo would likely take it, he's more strategically minded. You saw how well Data did against that old guy in Strategema the first time he played. Though I'd wager since, I guess, Data participated in the Dominion War, he would have developed some strategy for fighting Changelings in hand to hand combat. Odo is no ordinary Changeling though, he was raised by Cardassians.
Emperor Reclaw - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:24:05 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You can definitely tell that TNG S1 is an 80s show because the music uses that one electronic drum that's basically in every 1980s show. You know the one, it goes like dududoo, dududoo in the more dramatic scenes.

And I thought the shut up Wesley was just a meme, but Picard actually said it, as well as his Mom.
Vedek Bareil - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:11:16 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.58255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
your post makes me wish there was a series covering the Enterprise D/E crew fighting the Dominion. Or at least the crew in their different assignments while E is being built and then later season can be on the E. Because for soem reason first contact happens in teh middle of the Dominion war and Worf throws away the defiant and it's just back and fine the next episode... or was the the captain worf defiant class and it didn't become a series because he lost his own ship right away. Worf sucks
Kayron - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:33:38 EST ID:DHtbi7AD No.58257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Reading /nom/ counts as watching trek tonight. Remove hasperat
Koloth - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:36:53 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.58261 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I too, wish this experience was part of our reality

It might still be possible after CGI finally bores out of the uncanny valley and we can make replicas of the TNG crew that literally look and sound just like the originals. So like, 2045 or so.
Molly O'Brien - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:53:23 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If we had a holodeck, we could just walk up to it and say, "Make TNG 14 seasons longer, covering the Dominion war and the space between the movies, bring back Worf and Data, and like, try to make the dialogue not as hammy, you know?" and it would be like "Ok." And the shit it came up with would probably be better than the actual writers on the show. And you could do that with any show you had ever wanted to see, or anything for that matter. It's coming folks.
Major Rakal - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:23:39 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Serious question: could holodecks make anime real? If you were to make a, I dunno, DBZ episode in a holodeck, would it turn out like the actual anime itself or would it be like some seriously convincing cosplay? It's something I've been thinking about awhile now.
Kira Meru - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 21:22:55 EST ID:PoSNoGYC No.58266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dragonball Z would be such an awesome holodeck program. Even have the holodeck write you in as like a completely new character that just happened to be in on every critical moment and fight in the show, so you can still be yourself kicking ass. Unless you wanted to just be Goku whoever.
Hoshi Sato - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 00:55:39 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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With how much holodecks seem to be malfunction I wouldn't risk trying to simulate any action anime. I'd actually like to see a Star Trek anything tackle the entire 3DPD attitude thing, though I don't have much faith it would be handled well in today's climate beyond "lol neckbeards"

>Barclay probably gets in internet arguments with waifufags over holo-2D vs holo-3D
Chell - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 05:38:48 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>DS9: Improbably Cause/The Die is Cast
Great 2 part. I love Garak, and I love Odo. And all this backstory on Garak, and his history that we pretty much all knew all along is finally in the light. There are a lot of iffy ds9 episodes, but there are some great ones. Basically any that are heavy on Cardassians/Odo/Garak (since he's not technically aligned with Cardassia) are really good, so far at least.
Odo - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 06:09:15 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.58270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
3DPD isn't a thing though. Not really. However I wonder if people would use adobe holoshop on their holomodels to tweak them before fucking the photons out of them.

Barclay likes his women real though. That's why he has hundreds of hours of simulations involving Troi's drippy vagina rather than ones in which he fucks 14 year old clones of his mum or something.
Private S Money - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:58:44 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think the holodeck malfunction is just something you need to look at like car accidents, or plane crashes. It happens, but it's all still safe enough for literal every day use. it's just stuck in this uncanny valley effect where people start focusing so much on the few times it goes wrong that it seems more dangerous than it is. And let's face it, half the injuries we see that result from the Holodeck are people breaking bones during Parrisses Squares or disabling the security themselves.

the real problem with those holodeck episodes is that it's often rather contrived. Like, pull lever X on the bridge, and suddenly the holodeck malfunctions. But I'm OK with that, because an episode is about the idea, not the method used to arrive at it. For instance, in Our Man Bashir, they wanted to do a James Bond sendup. Well, they have to do that on the holodeck. Then they want to highlight fantasy versus reality, so the stakes have to be real. The entire episode is a meta-joke about James Bond. I can take the holodeck malfunctioning for that.

It's honestly really hard to ask writers to not mess with the holodeck, because you've given them a tool to place the characters in ANY context they can think of. James Bond movie? There you are. The Old West? Why not? An unironically racist interpretation of an Irish village? Shoot for the stars! And some other episodes have this really "holodeck episode" kind of feel to them, while not being on the holodeck. That one where Q puts them in Robin Hood, for instance. Or the one where they meet Mark Twain. Both of those feel exactly like holodeck episodes, except with "aliens" instead of "holodeck malfunction". Yet nobody is quipping that living in the Trek universe would be dangerous because of all those aliens constantly messing with you.
Odo - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:10:03 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.58272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're right but I think people don't quip about those because the holodeck is a lazy way of doing it and it seems more like cars "it's not actually very safe but it's just cool enough" and perhaps it gets safer over time.

Maybe also without lawsuits and compensation the federation's holosuites are the most bleeding edge but risky. Quark's holosuite issues happen when someone else goes wrong as well. I get the feeling his have much more robust safeties because ferengi might say "buyer beware" or whatever but reputation has a tangible and often measurable value. Those are his livelihood and if the Negus gets raped by a lonely Moriartym Quark will get sued hard. The feds will just be like "what money?".
Private S Money - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:48:12 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think it's more lazy than saying "lol these aliens have this culture/skill". In the end, it's hard to define "lazy" with a setting like Star Trek. TOS itself was the epitome of lazy, with just pulling shit out of its ass at every oppertunity.

Interesting point about the Ferengi, too. And I don't think they'd be worried about shit like shame. In fact, a Ferengi claiming to be stiffed on a Vulcan Love Slave program would probably get a nod from the judge while everyone in the room goes "nice".
Donik - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:30:49 EST ID:JpsWdQPO No.58274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just finished watching "Precious Cargo."

Enterprise isn't as bad as it seemed, does it get worse? It's at least mildly entertaining as a space opera.
Chell - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:41:58 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's just the ending that sours people on ENT. Overall it's pretty good.
Vekma - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:08:24 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.58276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it gets worse and no it's not just the ending
Data - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:36:33 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know. ENT looks as bad as ever to me. Maybe people imagined it was worse because of all the shit-talking, but even rewatching episodes I enjoyed, I find myself discovering that I like them less than I did initially. There are some good ones, but I still wouldn't call it a good show overall. "Mildly entertaining" isn't high praise, really. It's competently put together, but that's all I can say about it. I've watched two cancelled science fiction shows recently, and one of them was outright B quality, with a stereotypical snarling villain. I enjoyed it far more than I did ENT. And it has one thing ENT never had: Self-awareness.

The other was The 4400, and I have to admit Combs had the better roll in ENT. If all of ENT were like Shran, it would have been a good show. Funny, really, how The 4400 had both Summer Glau and Jeffrey Combs as a pair, yet put them in relatively muted roles. But it's also nice to see Combs act like a normal person for once. The man is a great actor.
Captain Edward Jellico - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:01:59 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>VOY Course: Oblivion
>It's another "Voyager gets destroyed" episode
Captain Solok - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:45:33 EST ID:ZYIEvzVd No.58286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Precious cargo is season 2. It gets worse but it also gets better.
Season 4 is really good barring the end. Season 2 is enjoyable space opera starting to find it's feet. Season 1 is mediocre and ropey. Fuck season 3. fuck it.

The first season the show was finding it's feet. Season 2 they started to find a way. In season 3 executive meddling intensified in season 4 the execs gave up and let the show run.

ENT isn't awful but it's pretty weak. I really enjoy a lot of season 4. It is also the season with the most shran. Season 5 would have started with Andorians in the federation and Shran shipless. If only...
Dr. Denara Pel - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:46:22 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.58287 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Really selling this episode sort, bro.
Damar - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 23:12:07 EST ID:P1yGrt8A No.58290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I watched an excellent episode of VOY this afternoon on BBC America. I think it was in season fiver. In short, and with spoiler text just in case, B'ellana dies, but it turns out that everybody is really just space goo clones of the crew(memetic gel) and they all die right before reaching the real crew who could have saved them. What I liked about it was that they tease us with a main crew-members impending death (not an uncommon thing in trek ofc), presumably knowing that we'll shrug it off via assumed plot armor, and then, playing perfectly on our expectations, they actually kill B'ellana! You wait for her to come back, but instead things continue to get worse, and finally they all die off, until the last surviving and strongest member of the crew, Harry Kim, is left commanding the bridge while seven tries to desperately eject the warp core because they're trapped in warp the memetic memes are breaking up the whole ship is turning into goo and I feel a strong sense of empathy for goo Janeway as I realize that she was realizing that the death of her crew was being realized imagine how much that would hurt someone like her who is so excessively protective of her crew end spoiler
Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 00:56:57 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58291 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno... I see why people would like but once it was revealed that the real Voyager was fine it was kinda hard to really care about the fate of goo Voyager
Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 00:59:01 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, I didn't hate all of it. I did love the parts where the ship was tripping out.
Subcommander Almak - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 03:47:53 EST ID:L3E9v1HE No.58293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well hell I started to fall back into watching next generation again. Guess I'm gonna try and make it all the way through the series again. And here I thought I had stepped away from my trek marathon days.
Khan Noonien Singh - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 06:28:56 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.58294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
never dude. I finished a year long in star date order of all series early this year and here I am watching ds9 again.
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:11:41 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm making my way through DS9.
I'm finding most of the characters compelling, but Sisko is honestly one of the least interesting captains, even if he does an excellent job. He's just a bland character. And his son is basically Wesley-New and Improved. Even Archer had more personality than him.
Honestly, the DS9 crew is pretty boring. It's the conflict around them that makes them more interesting.
I've always kinda hated Kira because of how whiny she is about the Cardies and her experience with them, but she's actually one of the more compelling of the crew, besides Odo.
Jadzia is nice, but there really isn't much to her, and the episodes that are centered on her are boring or straight up campy, like the one where she does some ritual where she gets to meet the previous symbionts or whatever.
I don't have to explain why Obrien is boring, but he has some great episodes that are centered on him, like the one where he's trapped in a prison for years in his mind.
Bashir is alright but not very compelling at all. Not much to say about him. He's a whiz kid nerd who loves the ladies. Not much else going on.
Quark, Garak, and Dukat are definitely the best characters, but they don't get enough screen time. Like I said earlier, they're a part of the conflict that goes on around the main cast.

All this being said, I'm only up to Season 4 episode 1 so we'll see what else happens. I totally forgot that Worf was even in DS9, and I see that he's about to join in.
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:24:58 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Also, holy fucking shit. Jadzia in a bikini. Those TITS
Subcommander T'Rul - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:21:23 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58297 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, as the poster above you pointed out, Trek has a habit of dangling crew death over us and then always pussying out. The strength of the episode was wrongfooting the viewer into thinking they were dealing with regular Voyager. But the point also has bearing on regular Voyager: These are perfect copies, doing everythong the normal crew would have done. So we finally see Voyager fail. And not fake fail in the way Voyager does so often, but actually, tragically doing all the right things and still failing. As Picard said, "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life".

That made Goo Voyager seem, in some ways, more real than real Voyager.
Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:58:14 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I understand all that but, I dunno, I just couldn't get myself to feel it. Maybe I'll give it another fair chance when I'm not in such a bad mood. Probably didn't help I still had a bad taste from the Space AIDS episode.
Subcommander Velal - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:36:05 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58299 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair, almost every single drama, especially pulpy TV dramas dangle the death of principle actors around every episode, and only recently have people decided to start pulling the trigger, just because it's so spicy, but there are consequences you have to build into the show format for that to work (constantly bringing in new regulars, etc.)

Voyager was set up to be the kind of show where, by the end of the series, all that was left was 'a few planks and half a sail' as Chakotay said, with a quarter of the crew left alive on a swiss-cheese ship and only like Kim being alive of the main cast. But then you would (especially 90's average TV viewer you) would be like WTF? Where's Borg tits? Where's Bald-and-sings?

So Courseblivion let them do what they really should've been doing with the whole show, if they really wanted to go for the tragic, rather than feels goodman angle.
Khan Noonien Singh - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:04:49 EST ID:xuBcumf2 No.58302 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've always said Voy needed to be darker like the new Galactica, at least in tone not really in the same style and art direction. People needed to die, the ship needed to break and cause handicaps later as no star fleet equipment refills. Resource gathering should have been more important than the odd off screen/ start an EP by returning to voy after weeks of a mission.
Emperor Reclaw - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:32:44 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58306 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, I've noticed that as years have gone by, I find myself enjoying episodes I thought were boring, while suddenly disliking ones I used to like. A fresh perspective can do wonders.

I've always had the feeling as if ENT and VOY had their wires crossed somehow. Because ENT did a lot of the stuff VOY should have been doing in regards to being stuck in the middle of nowhere with no support. While VOY focused a lot on diplomatic type stuff that ENT only seemed to really grasp in its final season. In fact, Year of Hell seems a lot like a cross between the Suliban and Xindi arcs.

And to be fair, Bald-and-Sings is one of my favorite characters in Trek. I also think Battlestar Galactica represents an unfavourable turn in modern television where high stakes and serious issues are confused with good television. BSG was very exciting while it was unfolding, but when I rewatched some of it on the tube, I found my attention wandering. The collect-the-Cylons doesn't work twice. Its philosophical points seem aloof as to be in fedora territory, sometimes.

I think I already said it earlier, but a recent (cancelled) show called Revolution I enjoyed was enjoyable specifically because it was very aware of what it was doing. There was room for some levity, and paradoxically that made it easier to take its farfetched plot seriously. It's still seriously B, don't get me wrong, but I got more out of it than I expected.
Hikaru Sulu - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:51:47 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.58307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Course Oblivion

Pretending STD doesn't exist, the next Star Trek should be a Twilight Zone anthology show all set in the ST universe and all telling individual stories that illuminate a larger story about the q or the iconians or some shit.

Point is that being an anthology, each episode could have a different setting, and some stories can end poorly. Sometimes they don't warp out in time.
Grilka - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:23:53 EST ID:ym7qvxUz No.58328 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Just watched Voyager "Coda". That episode is weird. We never find out what that being was. He gets pissed and says he'll consume Janeway one day, but is it responsible for all near death experiences? What if you have no chance to come back to life; does it get you? Seems pretty dark that in Star Trek there is the possibility that when you die you just get consumed by some weird alien being. Any kind of theories about what it was or means for the Trek universe?
Kalita - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:47:15 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Voyager subtly plays with the idea that different species go to an afterlife specific to them (it's not the most original idea, it's like saying that Christians go to Christian heaven, Muslims go to Muslim heaven, etc.)

Although in the same way it kind of pulls the punch, leaving it up to you to decide whether it's suggesting this is what actually happens to people when they die, or just that people's expectations build a heaven in the near-death state (which is the issue in real life too) :

>B'Elanna goes to Klingon hell, gets angry
>Neelix DOESN'T go to the Great Forest, is greatly disappointed
>Those aliens who, when they died, went to live in that planet's rings as energy

And then of course 'Coda'...so we can say that either there is or isn't an afterlife in Star Trek, but if there is, each species/religion has a unique one. So that means either that all humans are always only eaten by the Coda dude -- that our afterlife in particular and perhaps afterlives in general are actually bunk and just ways for energetic beings to eat our life force after we're done with it...

...or that (and this is the one I prefer) that was just some freaky Delta quadrant alien who attacked Janeway in particular, and all the stuff he said was just lies to trick her.

This guy: True eventual devourer of your immortal soul or just a lying dipshit -- you decide.
Trentin Fala - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:51:47 EST ID:X3s+WNvl No.58344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know, Voyager is actually surprisingly good. That's the best way to describe it. Surprisingly good. Every time.
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 17:15:27 EST ID:JE8n9rce No.58354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
With everything I've heard about it, I was certainly not expecting to enjoy it as much as I am. I wouldn't call it the best, but it's hardly the worst either. Though, I'm finding season 5 to be pretty poor overall.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 21:09:41 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.58355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have a secret theory that Neelix is actually the Caretaker Array alien, and that he spends his many many many years spying on aliens across the galaxy, and abducts ships for the purpose of riding them back all the way to their home system. Everything that happens in Voyager that is weird and has no real explanation is just Neelix fucking with them to make things interesting.

So for this episode, he was basically doing the Nagilum thing to learn about how each species on Voyager would deal with experiencing their particular afterlife.
Guinan - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:01:55 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That is some juicy headcanon, but god it makes so much sense

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