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Bryan Fuller Leaves "Star Trek: Discovery" as Showrunner by M'Pella - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:02:42 EST ID:lBRkOczw No.56838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Sources said there had been some strain between “Star Trek” producer CBS Television Studios and Fuller over the progress of production on the show

Liquidator Brunt - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 02:08:21 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.56840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When you thought you couldn't be any more disappointed in how this series is turning out...
Dr. Antaak - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:51:01 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.56849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
they couldn't even hold it together for ten episodes or whatever limey-grade shit counts for a season nowadays?
Jaro Essa - Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:46:22 EST ID:S1IWIS7q No.57178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Doug Jones as Lt. Saru, an alien Starfleet science officer of a new species yet to be named.
I am intrigued at Doug Jones as Commander Monkey
Administrator V'Las - Sat, 03 Dec 2016 17:49:50 EST ID:R6LbivEJ No.57215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yes. I absolutely do. The set quality of TOS is obviously not as good, but the style choices they were making seem more modern.

TNG... with its sets bathed in neutral colors and flat lighting absolutely screams 90's at me. It's one of the things that jumped out at me the most when I rewatched it after taking a break. It especially jumped out at me when they had the episode when Yar comes back, and they throw in a little colored light on the bridge. It was so refreshing to see an episode where the bridge wasn't just beige and flat.

For one, the 60s-70s aesthetic has come back into style a bit. But also, current designs that are trying to communicate modern seem to like glass, hyperclean whites, and bold patches of color. At least TOS has the bold colors.

This is all obviously subjective. But yeah, just so you know, to my eyes it's aged very poorly.
Lt. Diana Giddings - Sat, 03 Dec 2016 19:19:57 EST ID:v7i5CQa0 No.57216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You mean the blue splash from the viewscreen doesn't tickle your aesthetic fancy?
Tavek - Sat, 03 Dec 2016 23:41:23 EST ID:xFnlgs1F No.57219 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think they new series SHOULD have a distinct style. Part of why I think ST09 was ok is because they changed up the style instead of trying to paint by the 1987 numbers.

They're literally doing exactly what I wanted them to do with a new series and have posted about on here for years: A premium cable style show with a big cast o characters. And a streaming video service, though CBS is not the one I would have chosen first.
Ensign Miral Paris - Sun, 04 Dec 2016 00:03:52 EST ID:L3E9v1HE No.57220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>we need to see TNG/DS9/VOY's future.. no one cares about the future's past
This. I really just want to see where the universe grows and progresses. Like there was this awesome fucking feeling that trek as a universe was expanding when I went through everything (up till enterprise). Like you start at the original series, and it has its weird little charm, its quirky 60s style. But with that? It has these strong overiding scifi themes.

Then you get to orginal cast movies. The stakes have raised things feel bigger, the federation also looks sleeker. And that moves nicely into the next generation. The next generation you've got this feeling that their going out and doing things above and beyond what was done before what could have been done before. Like there are so many cool tech tricks that the crew pulls off, the eterprisize itself feels more badass. The federation feels like a more regimented tougher military.

And then? They kept this going with deep space 9. The federation isn't just a hardened military, its one that will fight on its own terms. All that asymmetrical warfare. Also the fact that the wormhole opens up to this whole other area of space. Why is that important? Cause it makes the universe feel bigger, through all these shows and movies, the stakes raise, the scope gets bigger. The sense that you're seeing more and more of what the federation is capable of.

They even keep this going well with voyager. Voyager is abandoned out deep, deep, deep in space. It gives you this sense of how big the universe is how large this world that treck inhabits as a fictional universe is. And complaints about the show aside? The ship itself is sleek, its beautiful its a fucking beast. The federations technology progresses, the stakes manage to raise in one way or another. And thats the thing, it keeps happening through all these shows. Trek gives you this sense by watching all of it just how big of a world it is. It gives you this feeling that there's so much to it, that the gears keep moving when you're not looking.

And now? The obsession is with doing stuff like Enterprise. Setting it in the past scaling it back done. I wanted, and continue to want things to grow. The scope, the tech, the stakes. That feeling that more and more and more is getting unveiled about this giant universe. So while I have hopes for this show? I'm not sure that it can meet my want. My wants to see where this universe goes. To find out more and more about this big fucking world that star trek exists in. So yeah, I'm a little frustrated. I really do want to see the future of this world at some point.All this said? Mabey just mabey this show will be good.
DaiMon Birta - Sun, 04 Dec 2016 19:54:59 EST ID:nyb2IkZ7 No.57224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think movie producers prefer drama rather than big-thinking canon type movies. it's way easier for one thing. I totally agree though, I like star trek for the big think stuff and how vast the universe is.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 13:45:49 EST ID:gX9GRN4a No.57252 Report Quick Reply
Here's an interview with Fuller explaining his departure - http://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-bryan-fuller-bittersweet-departure-star-trek-527540
Tokath - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:22:24 EST ID:yoKMOG5P No.57259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck man. Chance of there being a DS9/B5 vibe with STD and American Gods?
Hikaru Sulu - Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:31:49 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.57262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The infuriating thing about Enterprise is that there was plenty of room to broaden Trek's scope, and it did a little of that in the last season. There were some good ideas in ENT that were well-executed, such as presenting the Andorians as a dangerous warrior race, specifically because of their goofy looks. I really did like the early Federation stuff, though the cast was still anemic. But ENT fell down the same trap as VOY: Trying to replicate TNG with inferior material.
Thalen - Fri, 09 Dec 2016 17:12:39 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57267 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>the Andorians as a dangerous warrior race, specifically because of their goofy looks
Actually the Andorians were already established as a warrior race in dialogue the first time we see them in 'Journey to Babel.' In fact, about the only thing we learn about them is that they used to be even more savage than humans.
Lt. JG Nog - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:42:21 EST ID:siczhJsP No.57344 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Honestly, this chick is pretty good in TWD. So I'm interested to see how she will fare as captain. They definitely could have made worse picks I suppose.
Tal Celes - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:41:35 EST ID:CHCnx9IP No.57346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly Enterprise has far more good episodes than TNG does.
TNG has it's status entirely due to nostalgia goggles
Tal Celes - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 20:14:41 EST ID:CHCnx9IP No.57352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seriously, all the worst episodes of ENT were already on TNG.
From Riker falling in love with the Asexual butt-head girl as Trip falling in love with and teaching to read, the Asexual Cat Girl.
Then you have the Ferengi take the ship episode, another example of a shitty TNG episode.
You know what's missing from ENT?
No Picard incompetently disregarding Worf, followed by the ship falling into horrifying calamity.
I mean, fuck Doddering Old Captain Pussy Pants and his first mate Date Rape Riker
Captain Kargan - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 20:55:11 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57353 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Ok, now I love ENT, but let's get real, you make a list of 'good' ENT episodes, and I'll make a list of 'good' TNG episodes, and we'll see which is longer. Or if you don't want a subjective sample, what about using one of the episode rating guides? I bet TNGs list would dwarf ENTs, even if you adjusted for the lengths of their respective runs.

ENT has 5-10 good episodes a season. TNG has, at most, 5-10 bad episodes a season.
Kiaphet Amman'sor - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:32:48 EST ID:jn+i6Gd6 No.57356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They swapped mind raping the females to getting them hooked on huffing industrial chemicals.

Charts of each series IMDB ratings by episode: (I realize that's not the ideal standard)


SFDebris has watched and reviewed a shitload of Trek, but he grades on a bell curve, so an Enterprise 5 rated episode is average for the series, and is likely worse than a 5 rated TNG episode, but here's a list of his rated episodes by rating:
Tal Celes - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:43:32 EST ID:CHCnx9IP No.57358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I get my own opinions by watching, fuck getting your opinions from a fucking eceleb
Donik - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:55:46 EST ID:siczhJsP No.57360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I totally agree. I just finished watching season1 ofENT and i really don't understand the hate. It is 100x better than season 1 of tng minus1 or 2 great episodes. But season 1 of ent was consistently decent.
Dr. Mora Pol - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 08:04:08 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.57364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TNG holds both the highest rated episode and lowest. Shades of Grey sucked balls, but I can't beleve a harmless clip show is lower then fucking Threshold or A Night in Sickbay.
Furel - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 09:13:50 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.57365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Clip episodes get the auto skip treatment. especially when it's only season 2. I mean come the fuck on.
Captain Kargan - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:57:49 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57369 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's the only clip episode in the history of Star Trek, and they wouldn't have done it if their backs weren't against the wall. Really, it doesn't even count as an episode, it deserves only to be purged from all memory. I would watch A Night in Sickbay on repeat for days before consenting to see that drivel.
Kang - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:49:10 EST ID:CHCnx9IP No.57370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A Night In Sickbay is a good episode. It's simply humorous, is all.
I can't see any reason to dislike it other than reasons that make no sense.
How can you like that dumb bullshit on TNG where the hologram aliens are going to Verteron City and not like Night in Sickbay?
It's because Nostalgia Goggles is why
Natima Lang - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:18:38 EST ID:7XQfImWB No.57386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't care if someone's opinion is different than mine, but if someone is going to come up with the premise that ENT is better than TNG, they're going to have to use a better argument than "nostalgia goggles"
Helena Rozhenko - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 14:25:38 EST ID:0ZbRzUd0 No.57387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
idk from what i thought he said he was tired of the bullshit nostalgia goggles from ent and said that TNG was much better. which is fact.
enterprise is anus. pure dirty anus
Mezoti - Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:00:23 EST ID:WYOYLo9K No.57430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To expand, a major storyline going through the series is Enterprise making the relationships and changing the dynamics of the region, leading up to the founding of the Federation. What happens with Andoria and Vulcan, and later Tellar and Andoria, and the little things like Archer doing the apology ritual, which seems like a totally silly episode, all these things snowball into the first Alliance activities against the Romulans.

Also, here is a guy pointing out why 15 particular episodes of TNG suck.
I mean, he even uses ACTUAL REASONS as opposed to "it's just bad durr, I ain't gotta explain shit, durr durrr"

Mezoti - Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:22:28 EST ID:WYOYLo9K No.57431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Specifically, a Night In Sickbay is a good episode not just for silly bullshit like chasing bats and dopey dreams-- which, that shit is how it works, if you've ever paid attention to your dreams, some of them make you feel fucking embarrassing when you wake up-- but because ARCHER'S CHARACTER DEVELOPS, and he gets over his bullshit to apologize AND THE APOLOGY ITSELF is a step towards the Alliance that leads to the FEDERATION.

What did they accomplish in Verteron City episode?
Oh right, fucking nothing. Some weird shit happened, that was neat, next day is like it never happened
Which is the whole format of TNG. It's always "Weird shit happens, nothing gained nothing learned, file it at Daystrom, Tomorrow exactly the same"
And you know, so many people die in TNG that it's amazing it doesn't get as much shit as Voyager's endless supply of Shuttlecrafts.
Why doesn't Picard ever have to inform a family?
And why do we forgive Picard for stupidly not listening to Worf, every single time?
Like, seriously, the guy says "we hadn't ought to do this man" and Picard's like "shut up fag, let's fly full thrust into the Very Spooky Thing" people die, next day-- like nothing ever happened.
The crew of TNG has fucking learning disabilities. They never ever remember what literally just happened to them. And this is on a CIVILIAN FAMILY heavy ship. Like, what kind of madman puts all those little kids at risk? What kind of madness is that?
Leeta - Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:49:26 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57432 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have never argued that A Night in Sickbay is a bad episode, I actually like that episode. Same with Lonestar and the one where they turn into aliens. I really like ENT, I just don't like it as much as TNG and disagree with the idea that there are more bad episodes in the latter than the former.

>>Even Data doesn't change until the movies
Then why did they have to include that bit in All Good Things where we see him talking like a total asshat about igniting the midnight oil like he did about everything in Season 1? We get to see him grow out of constantly babbling, learn how to be a father, learn how to deal with his father's death and his mother's peculiar fate, turn to the dark side and then after accept that his brother is evil and he can't help him, learn how to dance, learn how to dream...the guy has a mountain of development.
Same with all the other TNG regulars, it's just not as explicit as in DS9 or ENT because they were still learning the serialized format at that time. Picard goes from being totally alienated from his crew and hating children and being completely uptight to playing piano in the jeffries tubes and basically becoming 'dad' to the whole crew. Worf goes from being a self-hating self-important asshole to being a culturally fanatical self-important asshole. Geordi goes from being an awkward helmsman to being chief engineer (even though he still can't get a date.)
They didn't flinch when they lost Yar because her character was shit from the start and the actress left in a rude way so they felt no obligation to continue to build up her significance.

>>What did they learn in the Verteron city episode?
Uhh, that the ship was really a sentient entity the whole time like had been suggested throughout and we get to see it actually develop into a character that we ultimately feel pathos for when it leaves. How is that not significant?

>>Why doesn't Picard ever have to inform a family?
I guess you missed 'The Loss'?

>>Why do we forgive Picard for not listening to Worf
Because Worf is usually wrong, about everything (I hate Worf) his first suggestion is always immediately to blow up everything. Most of the time if Picard had followed a suggestion Worf offered at a time when he didn't, they later discover they would've all died or something horrible would've happened if they did.

You are obviously very grievously butthurt over TNG for some reason. But almost all of your complaints seem to be about the fact that the show has an episodic format unlike DS9 and VOY ('everything resets to normal' is the fucking format of the show) do you dislike TOS for the same reason? Everything resets in every episode of that too...
Leeta - Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:52:05 EST ID:+5hgZe3l No.57433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
*unlike DS9 and ENT. I'm on the drugs. nb
Belongo - Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:53:04 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.57443 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TNG crew didn't even really flinch when they lost YAR.
Yar's death is thoughtfully mourned at the end of Skin of Evil. Worf even questions if he's good enough to fill her shoes. Data faps to that hologram a number of times. Her death is explicitly mentioned in over half a dozen episodes including one where they meet her sister, two where they meet her daughter, and it plays a pivotal role in the events of Yesterday's Enterprise. Yar's death is the trigger for Guinan to KNOW something is wrong with the world they're in.

Don't really see how you can say that Yar's death was not addressed enough by the show or the crew unless you haven't watched TNG since it first aired and you simply don't remember the series.
Boq'ta - Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:10:36 EST ID:UKKS3Tki No.57529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah that guy who said TNG didn't hit it's stride till season 4, the thing is, it produced a lot of good episodes even during season 2. ENT wasn't just "not it's best" in seasons 2 and 3. While TNG was good but still improving ENT was just crap. It had some good episodes but TNG had some amazing ones.

The executives finally gave up during season 4. That's why it's good.

My biggest concern with DIS is that it will be driven by greedy execs who don't realise. Trek cannot compete as an action franchise. You shouldn't throw big league money at it like that. Not everything needs to be mega huge to make a profit. Profit is the difference between costs and revenue, for some things the biggest profit you can make is at a MUCH lower revenue level than "LETS BE LIKETHE AVENGERS LOL" (to use a film example). There's only so much room in the market so putting out another big wannabe blockbuster in a market that's way past saturation is asking for a huge loss and it's stupid when profits await people willing to aim for niches. But no you're a bigshot exec so the big prize or nothing. Then you shitcan the crappy show and bury the franchise and blame piracy.
Gul Macet - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 16:50:16 EST ID:aF4yt+ub No.57563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe I'm just high but this made me laugh until I cried. Have a great 2017.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:45:19 EST ID:PDoEVFqX No.57699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The Trek that never was....

Would have been awesome to see the beginnings of a Federation being forged to fight against the invasive Romulan Empire.
Ba'el - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:17:30 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.57727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The CBS All Access series will no longer debut in May.

>The revival has cast James Frain as Spock's father

Guinan - Sun, 22 Jan 2017 09:59:31 EST ID:TCdyuc/F No.57728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pushed back 6 months, set in a time period no one cares about, using a streaming service that forces you to pay to watch ads, and with a showrunner who basically defined the show and then abandoned ship. This is going great so far, and it hasn't even started.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 23 Jan 2017 00:32:55 EST ID:asWVBJxF No.57737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's pretty cool. Frain was awesome as Ferdinand on Orphan Black.

It reminds of when Yahoo picked up Community to try and help drive views to their streaming service Yahoo Screen. Then again that was free and ended up being a huge money loser the company had to write off. I think CBS should use All Access as its own ad supported VOD app like Fox, ABC, NBC have with theirs but also have its shows available next day on Hulu like the other networks do and have Star Trek actually air on CBS. Honestly it sucks that it's even on CBS to begin with because regardless of it being the highest rated network, their shows are chock full of procedurals and shitty studio sitcoms. It's probably a good thing that Supergirl ended up moving to The CW.
Kessick - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:04:09 EST ID:syC+oe3F No.57764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's almost like there was another time a company tried to run a media service by drawing everybody with one show and filling the rest with crap.

Oh wait, THAT WAS ALSO FUCKING STAR TREK (it also happened to B5 too around the same time.)

In related Discovery bashing news, how is everyone taking the words of even further delay, now moving into that wonderous, always-good-things-come-from-it time slot of 'To be announced' ?
Harry Kim - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:40:35 EST ID:NtJHxWJd No.57765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
David Marcus - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:00:56 EST ID:TJx6CT+d No.57767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I keep forgetting that Voyager was on UPN, not syndicated.

DS9 on BBCA when?
Guinan - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:36:50 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.57769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is why you never got promoted, Harry, this and having about 17 different opportunities to "teach seven of nine about human sexuality" that you bitched out on like a pathetic beta autist
Commander Donatra - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:48:16 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.57772 Ignore Report Quick Reply

at that point even Geordi would have accidentally dropped his visor and stumbled into that vagina
Emperor Sompek - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 23:55:48 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.57773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are you serious? Last time Harry had sex Janeway put a fucking formal reprimand on his record for it. Something she didn't do to Tom when he took part in a TERRORIST ATTACK on a planet.
Guinan - Thu, 26 Jan 2017 00:59:33 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.57774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Be Harry Kim
>get in trouble for having sex
>get in trouble for not having sex
>get in trouble for being Asian
>get in trouble for saving the ship
>entire starfleet record since joining Voyager is reprimands
Robin Lefler - Sat, 28 Jan 2017 01:59:58 EST ID:qZsPp04G No.57788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>fucking seven of nine
harry knew not to stick his dick in crazy
>all that repression
Guinan - Sun, 29 Jan 2017 22:37:47 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.57812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As made up Trek Scenes go, this is up there with "sisko comes back as a baseball shaped tear of the prophet that calls everyone jake-o" and "luxwana eased into the mudbath, and as the mudbath moaned sexily she realized it was constable odo".

I hope when I'm old and Alzheimer's kicks in (if they don't cure it by then) I hope I get confused and think this was a real scene.
Lysia Arlin - Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:19:08 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.57816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What's your beef?
Groundskeeper Boothby - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:14:21 EST ID:4t+MA9XW No.57857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There was an even more insubstantial one before the ship one, that just showed nebulae and shit.
While sure this trailer isn't entirely out of the genre of what is acceptable for a teaser, the bigger picture gripe is that all that they have to show for a show they have ostensibly been working on for almost a year is yet ANOTHER insubstantial teaser trailer.
EMH MARK 2 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 01:45:04 EST ID:DnsI5ZDb No.58179 Ignore Report Quick Reply

tl:dw (I ripped this post from somewhere else)

"Rumors in the video: Non-Trek fan producer is pushing for a visual style even more advanced than the Kelvin-verse, resulting in the most advanced looking Trek series to date... which would clash heavily with its pre-prime-TOS setting. Much revision of scripts/arcs after the original show runner bowed out. Show is no longer in the prime timeline, but embraces a multiverse with the implication that multiple characters played by same actors are actually now the same character, simultaneously (???). Producer mandate for the show to be "sexed up". Toy and other merchandise licensees are upset with the new aesthetic, are concerned that Trek fans will reject the radical shift from the established look and feel of the prime universe. Blowback from licensees so severe that the VFX department was fired in its entirety. Some scripts deemed "unfilmable." Several actors want out. Netflix is unhappy. Show may not see the light of day."

Even if the rumors are false, I'm not terribly excited.
Guinan - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 02:23:29 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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After watching that, I officially have no hope for the new series. Though they may only be rumors, they make a disturbing amount of sense. Why else would the showrunner jump ship from his dream job? The first interview I read from Fuller, it sounded like he was totally into Trek just like we are. Him jumping ship was not a good sign, nor was it being pushed back, and pushed back again.. without him.

I'm not even sure it's going to happen at this point, and I'm starting to hope it doesn't.

If this video is correct, what really gets me is that the producers could do everything they wanted to do if they simply didn't make it a FUCKING PREQUEL. Set it after Nemesis and there's basically no constraints for technology, for shifting the paradigm of the series, etc. Plus, you can have any and all surviving TNG actors reprise their roles, from the major ones to minor side characters, and basically have fun little cameos and shit while at the same time making Trek feel new and interesting and further exploring the future's future.

This is what we all want
Legate Porania - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 03:33:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I wish that Netflix had just gotten it in the first place. At least they would have done their best to please the fans, instead of making it about greed 100% like CBS is trying to do, with their strapping it to a failing product to try and drain the fanbase a little bit.
The Star Trek fanbase is very passionate, but very forgiving. And to see how much hate and frustration they (we) are starting to throw out there towards CBS I think is a telling sign of just how bad the direction is going.
Also, it's just kinda disturbing how seemingly arrogantly stupid the CBS douche (idk his name, but the one who's running the show on Discovery) is, in micromanaging over the people that actually know their shit, and supposedly firing a whole designer crew. It's just really disheartening to see a show with such a real, passionate fanbase that has a genuine love for the show being used in such a way.
T'Les - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 05:24:10 EST ID:NNu0rHAt No.58185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Amen bro, CBS is bungling this whole endeavor really hard
Agreed though that If Netflix made Discovery, it would probably be pretty great
EMH MARK 2 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 12:05:58 EST ID:DnsI5ZDb No.58186 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I honestly don't get why there is so much insistence on it being a prequel in the first place. Hell, they wouldn't even have to worry about trying to fit in nuTrek aesthetic if they wanted it that badly. And it's not like anybody is that thirsty for another TOS prequel in the first place.
Keiko O'Brien - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 17:28:57 EST ID:dV0i2NZn No.58187 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everything else aside if they retcon Sarek into a transdimensional being I am going to find someone responsible to punch.
Guinan - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 17:39:22 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58188 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We could send them some fanmail if they fuck up


just make it look like a basket of muffins or something.. that is until they open it
Ensign Vorik - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 03:15:13 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because they want to piggyback on the culture osmosis that TOS has.
Guinan - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:00:54 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Here's the thing though, all those examples suck ass.


Trek is at its very best when it is subtle about these kind of things. Honestly, somehow I never really noticed the men in skirts in early TNG. I'd watched it so much it just didn't even register. Like, wtf? There's dudes in regulation uniform miniskirts just strolling around and shit... it's like that gorilla jumping through the basketball game, if you ain't looking for crewman Johnson jiibblies to be peeking through the lower decks you don't even see it, I mean really if it's a man's skirt it has to at least go to the knees, give the poor bastard at least the illusion of having a big dick. I mean at that point, maybe the neck bugs were doing the starfleet uniforms or some shit cause I feel like if you're gonna have a ship with children and with skirtmen there might be issues, since the kid's got a different perspective and all.. I mean Gene either didn't think about the logistics of this one or he was secretly a huge pedophile.. and after being transformed myself into a child in "Rascals" I'm seriously starting to wonder... well shit at least I got some sickass bed jumping in, that shit was choice, you don't even know how good it feels to cut your physical mass in half but keep the same relative strength, I ain't felt that good for four hunnit and twenty GAT DAMN SOLAR YEARS

Anyways I digress

My point is in TOS, trek was pushing boundries and making people think from a philosophical point of view

TNG and DS9 followed suit

VOY and ENT I don't really know what the fuck they were doing

But then by the time Discovery comes along I'm starting too see sort of a blatant pandering, like Hillary Clinton's mariachi band playing for her before she used the gringo prononuication of AH BWAY LOW in her speech. Is that what trek has become?!

Next thing we know, Malfoy's dad from Harry Potter will be the next captain.

No really I'm serious, Jason Issacs will play Captain Lorca of the Discovery

I don't know how feel bout this one tbh fam
Guinan - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:12:03 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58219 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This post was so good and so in sync with how I feel that I wondered for a moment if I wasn't still in the Nexus, this reality being some wildly complex illusion or somesuch
Latha Mabrin - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 16:44:26 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That "Actors who played diffrent characters are now the same" makes me think

Does that mean there's 50 versions of Weyoun, or Brunt running about?
Corporal F Hawkins - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 18:18:30 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>Here's the thing though, all those examples suck ass.
My point wasn't that they were good, but that Trek's social commentary isn't always subtle. Sometimes it's very blatant.

Marina Sirtis and Colm Meany are both from the UK also.
Timothy Lang - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:05:23 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think DSC would probably look the best.
Hadley - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:26:04 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.58369 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Klingon Sarcophagus Ship

What the fuck is going on dudes.
Lt. Ro Laren - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:26:56 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.58371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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pretty sure someone just photoshopped a mosque into a ship shape

pic related, I'm pretty sure they used this actual ceiling in that ship
Azan - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:12:48 EST ID:ITrneraD No.58373 Ignore Report Quick Reply

holy shit this is fucking outrageous.
Legate Porania - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:48:29 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You guys obviously haven't seen the new Klingon costumes...
Azan - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:34:26 EST ID:ITrneraD No.58379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
when STD came out there was an army of trolls online stating that it was great and that purists were just butthurt fans.

my point is that I am already noticing that everywhere I turn I find some nob telling me that the fandom of star trek is the problem, not the idiot producers making shit products....
Species 8472 - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:39:23 EST ID:YX6hX83Z No.58380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ah fuck...I can't believe they've done this.
KC Hunter - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:08:05 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.58381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this all seems to dumb to be true
Karyn Archer - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:10:31 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wtf how difficult is it to not shit all over everything the series has done before?
Spot - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 03:21:32 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It seems like everyone but CBS can see this. All the partners are losing their shit over this. JJTrek had zero merch and side sales, and everyone can see this is going to be worse.
Karyn Archer - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 03:52:10 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yup, nobody is buying merch because JJ has gone full blockbuster. No lasting value besides the first time you see it in theaters. Big special effects, but no substance.
And it looks like DSC is trying to distance itself from JJ Trek, but not in a way that would even get them more fans. Just by being completely dumb?
Idk, I can't fathom what is going through the minds of the producers of this show because from my perspective it is 100% stupid and looks to be a failed investment.
Curzon Dax - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 03:57:12 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know who is really pissed? Netflix. They basically paid for the whole show with the international distribution rights, and now that it's not even really happening? PISSED.
Best case scenario? They pull their money, which forces CBS to default on the production, and Netflix buys it from them and produces the show, making it out of pure win
Karyn Archer - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:05:46 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58389 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah that would surely be the best solution, but CBS seems very intent on pushing their shit streaming service.
I just wish Netflix would have thought to reboot trek before CBS got their dirty hands on it.
Spot - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:17:40 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58390 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Netflix ain't stupid. That contract likely has some serious penalties on defaultment.
Given how CBS's upper command doesn't care for Sci-Fi, and this production is pulling the network down with it, they may just handover Rights to Star Trek to Netflix to shut them up and wash their hands of it, Ala Fox giving up movie rights back to Marval.
Captain Kargan - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:21:53 EST ID:u12rvwZE No.58391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ghuy'. Klingon culture is besmirched by these petaQ.
Harry Kim - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:12:45 EST ID:X3s+WNvl No.58392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This shit is what happens when it's money of principles.

Star Trek always used to be about something, that is what made it amazing. Now, it's about fucking nothing.

It's a fucking disgrace that something so rich in creative, scientific, philosophical, ethical, metaphysical etc. etc. substance is being raped for monetary gain. This shit isn't Star Trek
Karyn Archer - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:42:57 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So, if that were to happen, would Netflix just throw the whole thing in the trash and start over? At that point that would be doubling down right? Or do you think they would just cut their losses?
Lt. Cmdr. Argyle - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:13:11 EST ID:ITrneraD No.58394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am holding out hope that this is all really amazing, really really well done viral marketing and all of this garbage has LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO with the new show at all, which proves to be well written and has the right look and feel.

Even Fuller leaving in a huff could have been part of the viral marketing...

Curzon Dax - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:07:34 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Unfortunately, if it's anything like the standard legal framework around a Hollywood show, if they call it Star Trek: Discovery and use any of the pre-production materials, all of the attached actors contracts might still apply and could sue if their contractual obligations aren't met. Most likely they would just have to keep whatever has already been shot and then change course with it as they saw fit, keeping the same cast and theme but changing the plot and tone or whatever.

Maybe they would just try to do it their own way, maybe they would wrap up the 'Discovery' story line as like a one season mini-series and start a new production, who knows? Any outcome would be better than CBS driving it into the ground.
Icheb - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:55:22 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah any outcome would be better but I feel like the most likely outcome is that CBS will use it for one season then drop it because it sucks, and Netflix will be pissed.
Vic Fontaine - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 02:22:01 EST ID:PO/IoaSa No.58399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I didn't believe you. Now I do.
Major J Hayes - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 05:50:24 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For what purpose
Former Gul Rusot - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:51:55 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58407 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The same thing happened with numerous other reboots. I consider it part of the reboot disease. And I'm convinced at least some of them are professional trolls. It seems like it's part of a legit marketing strategy. That's the only thing that explains how consistent this response is. Surely there aren't people this diehard supportive, yet at the same time so disinterested in the product and its history for EVERY property? And in roughly the same numbers? With the new Ghostbusters you also had these people explaining from on high that if you didn't think queef jokes could carry a film, you OBVIOUSLY just didn't get the original Ghostbusters.

It's basically a way to pre-empt fan backlash. And offensive countermeasure. Not just towards us, but towards anyone who would listen to us as people who know their stuff. These are people who are still going by very oldschool metrics for success. When they have a good opening weekend, they have won. So they bank on obfuscation tactics.

Well, I've been equating Worf to a second generation immigrant for a while, now. And the Klingons are a perfect fit for Muslims, really. They're all brown, they worship a violent warrior-prophet who's upheld as the example of all that is man, they have an external system of honour which is paramount to their culture, and they glorify war against their enemies. Whether you want it or not, Klingons already are a lot like Muslims, at least in broad strokes.

But when they start consciously treating Klingons as a direct Muslims analogy, you'll probably find that Klingons will completely lose their edge, and any chance of making anything decent out of them will go out of the window. Though, give the Evil designs and costumes we've seen in this thread, I don't think you have to worry about them being anything other than Generic Alien Enemy #823482349
Michael Sullivan - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 05:53:02 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Baffled, you say? Good sirs, fetch the fainting couch!

No, I think you're not getting what I'm getting at. There are very few direct analogies in Trek. Instead, aliens and characters tend to represent cultural traits that might be more common in some than in others. For instance, Bajorans were never meant to directly correspond to Jews or Bosnians, or whatever other oppressed group got stuffed into concentration camps at some point. They're supposed to represent all those groups. And in DS9, those groups after reconciliation.

Similarly the Cardassians represent an authoritarian society, not specifically secular Arabic powers. But because secular Arabic powers are also authoritarian as fuck, there's a lot of overlap

We're already deeply into DS9. Consider the Skreeans. Or that episode where an Admiral conspires to take over the Federation through stepping up "security measures". Don't those seem like all the world to be a commentary on the refugee crisis and the Patriot Act? Except both episodes were made well before either of those things happened. Because they're not direct analogies, but they're so close to what actually happened that they seem almost prophetic in hindsight.
Spot - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:08:10 EST ID:X3s+WNvl No.58429 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I always viewed them as a meld between Nazi Germany and early 20th century Turkey (with both Ottoman and secular elements)
Michael Eddington - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:15:23 EST ID:n8McU5oH No.58434 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the dandruff monsters just left dandruff around they didn't rape everybody
Turanj - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 16:00:47 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>No, I think you're not getting what I'm getting at.
Hmm, ok...
>>They're supposed to represent all those groups.
Nope, I definitely know that. Maybe you just thought that when I said 'they represent' I mean 'can only represent specifically this as a direct one-to-one correlation of' which no, of course is not what I mean.

You could describe the races of Star Trek as being the aspects of the psyche, or the seven deadly sins, or the members of the Beatles. Anything is possible in critical interpretation, so I think you're just getting bent out of shape for no reason by taking a comparison which you admit is reasonable and pretending I'm making an absolute claim about it.
Private E Hamboyan - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:16:00 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>I mean with those kinds of broad strokes you could equate a lot of the militaristic cultures in Trek to (a politicized, paranoid caricature of) muslims.
Yup, that's the same thing as saying it's impossible. I'm not saying it's impossible to compare anything to anything. Notice two posts above this one I said that you could compare Trek races to the Beatles. To reiterate, it is possible to compare anything to any other thing. Moreover, it's clearly what you've done, and I've just laid out reasons why I think it makes less sense than other interpretations, would be a terrible direction for the franchise and STD, and is frankly stupid.

Your argument rests on the claim that I am making an absolute claim, saying that your connection is impossible or that you shouldn't be allowed to talk about it. Me saying such a thing is nowhere to be found, so the 'argument' is really you just screaming that Klingons are Muslims, and other people disagreeing, and then you getting mad at them for disagreeing. Not very substantive.

You wanna talk about how Klingons are muslims? Fine. But every Trekkie is going to have an opinion about that and is going to talk to you about it if you post that idea on a Trek board. If I made a post about how the Borg queen was really the mother of Justin Trudeau, shouldn't I expect people to make statements about how much water my fan theory holds?

nb because this thread is almost more garbage than STD itself now.
Mobara - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 09:58:28 EST ID:ITrneraD No.58467 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>even a slight amount of philosophy and little to no politically-polarized modern geopolitical virtue signalling

Daily reminder that every time Kirk finds a balanced, perfect society, he destroys it and makes them fend for themselves and grow.

I am eager to see how these nimnulls apply the Prime Directive to the industrialization of Islamic states. That will either wreck the entirety of the philosophy of the show or it will alienate the entirety of the liberal/progressive audience.
Admiral Cartwright - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 07:01:39 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To reiterate: I said there were some similarities between Klingon and Islamic culture, mostly the honour culture and the worshipping of a mortal prophet. That's all. Your argument is that I'm saying they're a one for one fit, which I didn't. You did so in a way I found most irksome, and your entire argument seem to be saying I'm mad about your "disagreeing", when you are actually putting words in my mouth and behaving like an ass.

Maybe you're offended or something? Either way, I don't see the worth in arguing with you any further. The above point stands, though.

nb because double post.

Also, stop using "you mad" as an argument when you put this much vitriol in your posts. Christ.
Jimmy - Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:12:34 EST ID:SHq00Qum No.58561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i just realized the acronym for the show is STD
Corporal F Hawkins - Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:40:33 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.58585 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Fucking why.
Lt. Ro Laren - Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:12:10 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Got to squeeze every last drop from the TOS cultural osmosis that we can, because no one is watching this shit on its merits.
Captain Solok - Fri, 31 Mar 2017 19:20:30 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DUDE WHAT? I'm sorry this shit is just completely going off the fucking rails. Who is telling them to do dumb stuff like this? I'm pretty sure Mudd is the most unequivocally hated recurring villain in all of Trek, and he's not even a good one, he's just a lazy old perv really.

Do they think this well get old people to like it? How could they know enough to know that Mudd exists without knowing that nobody likes him?
Do they think this will draw in new people? Unless you're a diehard Trekkie, you don't even have a clue who he is.

This is getting depressing.
Data - Fri, 31 Mar 2017 19:25:00 EST ID:aGXOTlyw No.58588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I liked Mudd, but I wouldn't watch just for him
Major J Hayes - Fri, 31 Mar 2017 20:34:25 EST ID:3bunwxei No.58590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I actually liked I, Mudd. I don't remember anything about Mudd's Women though I could've sworn I watched it before.

But uh... yeah. I don't get how this could be remotely news-worthy. Mudd isn't even that memorable of a character in the long run, even among the more hardcore trekkies. Then again I don't keep up with that sort of thing. In short I don't know what these fools are doing with this show. I just want my post-Nemesis show fuck.
Prinadora - Fri, 31 Mar 2017 21:21:52 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.58591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Those two episodes are almost unwatchable
yeah but the third one, Mudd's Passion was pretty alright
Tora Ziyal - Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:06:54 EST ID:SY0gC1Wn No.58592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>post-Nemesis show
Sweet Christ I want this so bad.
Prinadora - Sat, 01 Apr 2017 18:40:56 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.58607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That was... a ton of shit that I didn't mean. Implying that I think Trek is just about differentiating between races' ridges is especially reductive, but maybe I wasn't clear in my point. I want Trek to look into the future, of course, I'm simply frightened at how its exploration of moral dilemma will be compromised by trying to reach out to modern audiences, with modern CGI, and modern political allegories. Doing things set in prequel timelines, or just around the same time as previous Treks, limits that expansive quality, but it's a whole lot harder to screw up because the ideas are simpler.

The dumbest moments of VOY are borne out of attempts to do something big but failing. Either the ethereal idea they want to explore is mishandled or dumb things are inserted for the sake of action. At their worst ENT and JJ Trek are pandering and maybe lack the frontier enthusiasm of Star Trek, but VOY at its worst is unbearably ill-conceived. Episodes like "Threshold" happened because either no one in the writer's room was told "no," or someone in the writer's room said "Well, we don't have anything better." To me that's more unforgivable than being compromised by studio meddling wanting you to bring in a new audience, telling you to de-Trek your product. That's selling out, and that's bastardizing, but it's better than lazy and inconsistent. Since the last example we have of future-minded Star Trek ruffles my feathers so much, I am reticent to welcome another attempt. But I think we all agree that if I could make a deal with the devil to make /absolutely sure/ it's done right then I totally would.

If they ever tried it I would tune in, but we already have enough bad Trek. I'd rather then just stop than give me more.
Prinadora - Sat, 01 Apr 2017 18:51:36 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.58608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Amendment: at its worst (Into Darkness) JJ Trek is also lazy and inconsistent. But I remember seeing that one and thinking "You know what, I could go the rest of my life without more of this." Nb
Guinan - Sat, 01 Apr 2017 19:00:20 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just want to remind you all of something..

If we ever get a post Nemesis show, it would be about the Federation expanding to a GALACTIC scale.

Why? It's quite simply really. In TNG and DS9, we see the limits of subspace communication. At the far ends of the federation, it sometimes takes hours to get a response from a sent transmission, and that's at warp 9.99999999

We know that ships with even moderate warp engines can travel huge galactic distances in a few years, so what is really limiting the size of the federation? Two things, travel speed and communication speed.

Voyager making contact with Jupiter station across the whole fucking Galaxy instantaneously is a MASSIVE technological breakthrough. And the Borg technology that Voyager stole as well as the experiments with transwarp using the Delta Flyer may provide Starfleet with the means for future Riker to order someone to set the ship for Warp14 with his three nacelled super Galaxy class ship. Voyager gives the means and DS9 gives the motive.. after the Dominion War only Starfleet, the Romulans Empire, and possibly the Breen (of the combatants) were not signifigantly weakened by the war. If Romulus is really destroyed by a catastrophic Gama Ray Burst Supernova as depicted in shitty nuTrek, that leaves the Federation in a position to expand as they have no geopolitical competition aside from a reclusive race that is a relatively minor power on its own. Let's be real, even in alternate universes stars only have a finite lifetime. It's unlikely that there is a reality where this Supernova doesn't occur within at least a few decades of it occuring in the JarJar Abrams timeline. After all, in the TNG finale, the Klingons had subjugated much of Romulan space, an unlikely event considering how weakened the Klingons were and how the Romulans emerged mostly unscathed.. unless of course you consider the possibility of an unexpected natural disaster.

The Next Next Generation could be amazing.

>Martok rules the Klingon Empire, Worf is no longer an outcast
>Rom is Nagus of the Ferengi Alliance and is making cultural changes that could allow for federation membership
>Garak is running a very devastated Cardassia that may also vie to join the Federation
>You better believe that after all her time spent with the Emissary, her personal contact with the Prophets and her role in saving Bajor, Kira will eventually become Kai
>There are still about 98 missing changelings out there if she and DrMora decided to try to find them and build a new link on Bajor
>I believe there are also somewhere between 3-5 missing orbs as well
>Odo is with his people and his experiences will reshape the founders. Meanwhile, the Dominions defeat will likely cause a wave of revolutions on previously suppressed Dominion worlds.
>The Borg are still out there.. and remember that they are closer to the Dominion than the Federation
>Neelix can help arrange the foundation of Federation trade and diplomacy with the Delta Quadrant

There's serious potential for a show to pick up around the All Good Things era and be cool as fuck.. filled with old cameos whenever there's an excuse to throw one in, filled with the prepopulated areas of space we've already explored plus all the rest of the Galaxy. A Galaxy is a huge fucking place. There's a lot of stories to tell if the Federation starts going pangalactic.

This is the kinda shit WE want to see, right guys?!
Subcommander Velal - Sun, 02 Apr 2017 00:29:31 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.58611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Old Riker is just like "build me a fucking Replica of the Enterprise D and strap a big fuck me up phaser on the bottom of the hull"
Tekeny Ghemor - Sun, 02 Apr 2017 06:09:21 EST ID:NQYwnkki No.58612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
but if you were travelling at warp 10 you would be able to travel anywhere and be in every part of the universe simultaneously.
There is no warp past warp 10,,,its just teleportation at that point.
Lorian - Sun, 02 Apr 2017 11:44:49 EST ID:QynCFn2n No.58613 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This is not at all canon.

Canon is that at warp 10 you turn into a lizard and fuck your captain.
Legate Kell - Sun, 02 Apr 2017 18:08:30 EST ID:Ju4jkf7E No.58617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The teleportation and being everywhere was a side effect of the bit where you throw your tongue at the EMH and have hot lizard sex if I remember right.

Except in all the good things where they do warp 12 or something. Maybe they got an engineer whose speciality isn't "making shit work but not being as good as O'Brien at it" but "cutting edge tech" on it. Someone like Geordi could probably work around the side effects with a 2 day dead line and a well placed B Plot with Crusher going on HRT or something to give him the inspiration he needs.
Kai Opaka - Sun, 02 Apr 2017 23:16:22 EST ID:QynCFn2n No.58637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Some blogger online is saying the central plot point is the Treaty of Armens, first mentioned in the Sheliak episode of TNG.
Guinan - Sun, 02 Apr 2017 23:38:55 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sheliak Corporate, the Silicon Based Blanket people

Could be interesting if there wasn't a 99.9999% chance of them being shittily computer animated if true
Lt. Joseph Carey - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:21:39 EST ID:ZNB0CS1E No.58639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How is an episode of VOY not canon?
Kai Opaka - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:47:02 EST ID:QynCFn2n No.58640 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think you misunderstand. Voyager IS canon, hence warp 10 turns you into a lizard.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 11:05:52 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.58641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ughhhh I don't like being reminded of this.

I personally have a hard time as accepting anything that happened before Seven of Nine joining the ship as canon. I mean, I have a hard time accepting any of the Borg stuff, the Hirogen, or the series finale as canon but there is almost nothing of value in the early seasons of that show.
DaiMon Birta - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:27:13 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.58645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Hirogen are a high point of Voyager. Why would you have a hard time accepting them as Canon.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:36:32 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.58646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's always felt like the execs behind Star Trek have been trying to figure out ways to shoehorn war and fighting stuff into the series. I enjoy the idea of the Hirogen, but like almost everything in Voyager the execution felt lacking.
Latha Mabrin - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:53:02 EST ID:tfnb7ZYb No.58648 Ignore Report Quick Reply

nothing? i may give voyager a watch soon, i hope that's not the case. i've seen a few episodes of voyager, and i enjoyed them, but they all features Seven of Nine.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:38:12 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.58649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The characters are pretty good, better than what we got with Enterprise. But due to circumstances the material that was given to them was somewhat lacking.

Everything really takes off when Seven comes on board, it still has it's flaws but it's far superior to what came before.
Dr. Yuris - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 19:35:39 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I find the whole bridge crew of Voyager severely lacking in (likeable) personality. And the ones that do have a decent personality are boring as fuck. The only character that I think is compelling is EMH. But Paris, Tuvok, and Belanna are alright. Seven is okay but she gets tiring.
General Krim - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 01:43:18 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.58656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tom Paris is just as boring as Kim to me. Fuck Chipotle, too. Obviously fuck Neelix. The rest of the characters are quality but Seven and the Doctor are really the only ones I consistently enjoy. Probably because they're acted the best.
General Krim - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 01:44:32 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.58657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
actually I wanna edit that last part, cause Tuvok is also well-acted.
Legate Turrel - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 08:03:07 EST ID:1IXmTGTr No.58659 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I enjoyed EMH, well the guy it's based on in DS9's Doctor Bashir I presume. There seems to be a severe dislike of Neelix here.
Guinan - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:00:30 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's what Harry said and he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Probably why he never gets a promotion.

There are numerous examples of things going faster than warp 9.9999999999..Such as the Voyager pilot where they go 70,000 light years in 2.7 seconds, the Borg have transwarp, there's that crazy surf propulsion wave from TNG, and there's plenty of future episode where warp 12/13/14 etc seems to be a standard speed

I would imagine they develop some sort of shielding so you don't turn into a toungeless transgender salamander
Valkris - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:53:52 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh it's coming. It's gonna be a butthurt storm. It's the perfect storm.
Kalita - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 17:33:49 EST ID:K6pRQ8/j No.58682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I always thought of Dax being a representation of a transgender character. While not being by definition trans she/he does retain memories of being the opposite sex and sisko refers to her by her old nickname. Also she takes every chance to point out her previous hosts and how it was to have a dick.
Commander Morag - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 18:14:40 EST ID:Ju4jkf7E No.58685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Michael is a rare woman's name but it happens.

So no, there's more than one explanation.

Trans in even TOS era trek shouldn't be a thing and it'd be a worrying development if that happened. It'd show little knowledge of the universe on the part of someone with enough influence to make casting calls. I guess we'll find out eventually. Or we won't if it doesn't happen. Just wait and see. No one knows shit.


That's a Michael. Not trans. Not FTM. Just a girl.
Commander Morag - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 18:23:40 EST ID:Ju4jkf7E No.58686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh snap, also another explanation.

Michael is a cis gendered female but was born a transgendered MTF. I think it would be unrealistically optimistic to do a variation on Uhura's "response to "charming negress" but that would be the ultimate win.
Natima Lang - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 19:32:52 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol, unlikely
Guinan - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 19:36:39 EST ID:H+yufVoX No.58688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She needs to be in a wheelchair too
Lt. JG Nog - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 19:38:43 EST ID:QynCFn2n No.58689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>including gays and stuff in the 90s
>edgy, even revolutionary maybe

>including gays and stuff in 2017
>cashing in on those diversity bucks
Vash - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 21:35:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol nobody even said that in this thread, but I do think the idea of trans people in the future is weird. I don't think it's a huge deal it just seems like it's gonna be weird and forced, like it wouldn't fit in.
Kono - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 22:36:53 EST ID:3bunwxei No.58691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair, it's not exactly a wrong assessment. And this is coming from someone who really loves diversity, but also despises at how toxic the entire discourse on it has become on both sides for the sake of gaining twitter points.

Though I think we're all jumping the gun here. Their name might not even be final. I'm more worried that they think Mudd is a character worth reviving more than anything.

Regardless, Star Trek is one of those series that attempts diversity right. They're weren't always perfect with it, but you can tell that it was mostly out of a genuine understanding of it, not for the sake of gaining points. I want to think that the people behind Discovery also understand that but who knows at this point?
Gul Evek - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 05:13:38 EST ID:mBeU+0Yx No.58694 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>changing your gender absolutely at the atomic level would be as simple as going through the transporter.

this could make for a good episode..
David Marcus - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:35:15 EST ID:QynCFn2n No.58697 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Hello I am another trans person on this board.

I basically agree with you.
David Marcus - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:36:27 EST ID:QynCFn2n No.58698 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>le gender swap episode

futurama did it. nb
Guinan - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 12:44:54 EST ID:uOAsGXeh No.58700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Anyone else concerned about this?

>Klingon Sarcophagus Ship

The idea that Klingons have no respect or care for the bodies of the dead has been well established in just about every Star Trek series. The body is just a shell once it's dead.

Like wtf?
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 15:15:16 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah see that's exactly the kind of cheesy moralizing we need in Trek. It would be like Rascals except instead of Riker being Picard's dad he would fuck...I mean...

Woo fight the power! Trannies for Trek

>>the writers would evidently not know the universe.
Yeah but if we can tell one thing consistently about STD it's that, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Ghengis Dong - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:46:40 EST ID:x/xsaJ2n No.58706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just to play devil's advocate and indulge in some gross optimism, what if it's something that even most Klingon's consider perverse and aberrant? I actually think there's some cool potential there to expose the intricacies of Klingon society.

Their society and cultural norms can't be totally Homogeneous (especially over time, how long have they had space-flight?), and I can definitely recall some Klingon characters (especially powerful ones) who give few shits at all about traditional honor.
Ghengis Dong - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:59:13 EST ID:x/xsaJ2n No.58707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh shit, I just now see the expanded image. WTF why would anything Klingon ever be so ornamental?

That Mosque itself is fuckin neato, but why the hell would they "draw inspiration" from it in such a way?
Guinan - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 21:56:44 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Listen I'm just saying controversy about that died down quickly

Now this THIS.. I think could be really interesting actually. It could be good or bad, depending on what they do with it, bit potentially it could be really great.

>They have ridges, but by this point Dr Phlox had created a cure to that deadly Klingon Virus, but he made sure to imasculate them by giving them human genetics which insultingly removed and reduce their forehead ridges. That means they were from a distant part of the Klingon Empire, or perhaps even some sort of outcasts.. which leads me to another idea here.. hear me out: the HurQ were an alien race that basically uplifted/enslaved the Klingons. Their domination over QuoNoS was so great, their race so advanced, they were viewed as Gods by the Klingon People. This race of people may have been at one point in history a rival force to the Dominion, as they came from the Gamma quadrant through the wormhole. Eventually, the Klingons rose up against their oppressive Gods and realized they could be killed. They turned their own technology against them and learned to make it their own. This is how the Klingon people became spaceborne, where they brought their war to the HurQ, who retreated and we're eventually annihilated, now the Klingons have no gods, save for one in disgrace, bound forever to guard the Klingon afterlife. This fella is pictured in the TNG episode Devil's Due, and is the only HurQ we ever see on-screen. Being that he closely resembles a Klingon in some ways but is very alien in others, it's conceivable​ that the HurQ may have merged their genetics in some way with the Klingons?

Now what if these guys we see are the OG Klingons, with less HurQ genetics , and absolutely no human genetics?
Guinan - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 21:56:44 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Listen I'm just saying controversy about that died down quickly

Now this THIS.. I think could be really interesting actually. It could be good or bad, depending on what they do with it, bit potentially it could be really great.

>They have ridges, but by this point Dr Phlox had created a cure to that deadly Klingon Virus, but he made sure to imasculate them by giving them human genetics which insultingly removed and reduce their forehead ridges. That means they were from a distant part of the Klingon Empire, or perhaps even some sort of outcasts.. which leads me to another idea here.. hear me out: the HurQ were an alien race that basically uplifted/enslaved the Klingons. Their domination over QuoNoS was so great, their race so advanced, they were viewed as Gods by the Klingon People. This race of people may have been at one point in history a rival force to the Dominion, as they came from the Gamma quadrant through the wormhole. Eventually, the Klingons rose up against their oppressive Gods and realized they could be killed. They turned their own technology against them and learned to make it their own. This is how the Klingon people became spaceborne, where they brought their war to the HurQ, who retreated and we're eventually annihilated, now the Klingons have no gods, save for one in disgrace, bound forever to guard the Klingon afterlife. This fella is pictured in the TNG episode Devil's Due, and is the only HurQ we ever see on-screen. Being that he closely resembles a Klingon in some ways but is very alien in others, it's conceivable​ that the HurQ may have merged their genetics in some way with the Klingons?

Now what if these guys we see are the OG Klingons, with less HurQ genetics , and absolutely no human genetics?
Guinan - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 21:59:53 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58710 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Why do I always somehow doublepost? Is this another side effect of the Nexus, or do I accidentally to many maraji crystals?

maraji crystals are a helluva spacedrug
Private E Hamboyan - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 00:08:48 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
also, wtf is that in that picture? I dont' remember that. What episode?
Emperor Kahless - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:43:53 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Devil's Due.
Guardian of Forever - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:01:09 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.58822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Michael Dorn turned down a role as some rando anscestor of Worf.

This is another red flag.

Sir, we are facing full franchise cascade failure.
Vash - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:18:21 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.58823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Michael Dorn turned down a role
woah it really must be bad
Torg - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:33:53 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Clearly STD is without honor.
Leeta - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:45:16 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whoa, that's a huge red flag. Next we're gonna hear that Frakes turned down a role as chef aboard Discovery.
Emperor Kahless - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 16:40:41 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It would be more accurate to say that the producers are bad. They offered Dorn less than 1% of what he made the last time he played Worf. Just on principle, I'm sure his manager told him he HAD to reject that offer. The fact that they weren't willing to make a follow up offer means they don't understand how essential the history of the franchise is to making this thing work, or else they're just flat broke.
Colonel Lovok - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 21:56:16 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're trying to put as little capital as possible into it since they're just using it to lure people to their streaming platform.
Nanpart Malor - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 22:24:33 EST ID:rGe2vLZs No.58830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yo, I'd have been down to revisit some Colonel Worf with dem smooth head ridges.
Admiral T'Lara - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 09:07:49 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fucking hilarious since Netflix payed for the damn thing. It's not even their own money!
Beverly Crusher - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 09:14:04 EST ID:tMn/oygc No.58834 Ignore Report Quick Reply

netflix seems dumb here.

why pay for the launch of a show on your competitor?
Quark - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 11:02:41 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.58836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>They offered Dorn less than 1% of what he made the last time he played Worf.
hahahahahaha holy shit you cheap ferengi fucks
Captain Blackwood - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 11:57:44 EST ID:3bunwxei No.58837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh c'mon, even the Ferengi wouldn't be stupid enough to give an offer that low.
Guinan - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:45:57 EST ID:4X53I0XV No.58838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah this is really bad

Colonel Lovok - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:01:00 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hadn't yet realized that. It's fucking retarded.
WTF Netflix, why would they overlook that, and let the hacks at CBS do it, when they could have done it themselves!
Dr. Denara Pel - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:38:56 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like CBS All-Access is genuinely going to compete with Netflix.
Remember, Netflix has the rights to the show everywhere outside the US, and obviously they think they can make more money than they paid for it just from that or else they wouldn't have done it. On top of that, since they know they will always be the king of the heap and All-Access will probably bite it pretty much out of the gate, to be in on the ground floor with CBS so they can buy the rights to all the shows when they go under (and thus, end up actually owning the production of STD, rather than having to fight with CBS over every detail if it was an equal partnership.)
Colonel Lovok - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 17:00:40 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still wish that Netflix would have just gone all in and produced it themselves. It could have potentially been their biggest show.
Dr. Denara Pel - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 17:41:55 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sure Netflix would have loved to do that if CBS/Paramount would have let them. See, we're going to have to pry the Trek franchise from CBS/Paramount's cold, dead hands one day, possibly literally. Even when they monumentally fuck it up, they will keep their vice grip on it, because it is the last golden calf either company has.
Noonian Soong - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 18:11:30 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.58845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
does that mean all the past star treks will be removed from netflix when the new one begins? or is nothing happening to them for the time being?
Dr. Denara Pel - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 18:45:30 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would think not, but anything is possible. They might leave this as a kill switch move if their platform is about to die, basically creating a tax on Trekkies to keep it afloat, but I don't think they will do it as soon as it launches.
Mot - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 19:35:30 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.58848 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I heard they have a similar dealie for "The Expanse", which is good because I think the only remainign way to make that show even better is to get SyFy to fuck off
Vosk - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:10:10 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
CBS is even dumber then I figured then, because they'd get like what, .001% of the people using netflix for Star Trek to switch over, and everyone else just using putlocker or what else?
Corporal R Richards - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:54:46 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.58884 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Accordingly, the launch date’s been nudged around for the last few months; the series was originally looking at a January 2017 premiere, which became May 2017, and then just the vague “late summer/early fall.” But with the core cast assembled—and with a new rank and name for series lead Sonequa Martin-Green—it looked like Discovery might actually undock this year.

>Instead, the outlook’s gotten a bit hazy, with CBS Interactive president Marc DeBevoise now saying he can’t say when the show will arrive.

Hope hit just dies completely at this point
Grimp - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:57:51 EST ID:tMn/oygc No.58885 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>leave your zombie show to be in star track

>show cancelled

this kills the acting career.
Nava - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 15:48:22 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.58886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Given that they seemed to scrap all the visuals of the show recently, it could be another couple of years before anything comes out.
Latha Mabrin - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 16:58:20 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"It is, you know, phenomenal. It is huge. And we’re very excited about the content, the creators, the actors, all coming together...We’re not worried about anything here. We’re excited..."
-CBS douche

He could not be more obvious that he's lying and that there are STILL serious issues that they can't seem to work out.
Guinan - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:21:53 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.58892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Hope hit just dies completely at this point


make it so

Post-Nemesis Show plox
Christopher Brynner - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:48:25 EST ID:PKjpxs1L No.58900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So basically, Babylon 5
Belongo - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:38:36 EST ID:vhe/UV6p No.58901 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I've never watched Babylon 5 although I read that the DS9 writers were on a number of occasions accused of plagiarising that show. Even if that were the case it wouldn't make a bit of difference, as there is nothing wrong with taking inspiration. Still, Babylon 5 is held in pretty high regard.
Belongo - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:41:14 EST ID:vhe/UV6p No.58911 Ignore Report Quick Reply

To my knowledge however, Twin Peaks was the first show to have a completely serialised story, multiple story strands all tied together tightly.
Christopher Brynner - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:24:49 EST ID:PKjpxs1L No.58912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For me, T'Pol and the other Vulcans make more sense once you get that the Vulcans have been being destabilized and manipulated by the Romulans, and that they don't even have the original writings of Surak.
That means that while they are trying to follow logic, they don't have the full technology to do that, being the Full Teachings of Surak. So their emotional suppression is rudimentary at best, just enough to fool them, with the veneer of "logic" we see on the Alt Right-- as in, it's confusing unemotionality with casual brutality, with being "detached" enough to carry out banal fascism, which is right in line with Romulans.

Fuck I love Romulans, man.
I like when they fully show how paranoid the Romulans are by nature, and the ancient Vulcans. This is why they need the realest kind of objectivity possible: to short circuit their bias toward suspicion.
Private E Hamboyan - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:20:07 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.58916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Indeed. I wish the shows went more into the Romulans more often and more in depth.
Daniel Jackson - Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:23:21 EST ID:HwIblk4K No.58918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Romulan Tal Shiar , reminds me of Russian KGB
Captain Paul Rice - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:53:03 EST ID:PKjpxs1L No.58938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's because TNG is the laziest show of them all.
It really does require a lot of generosity and nostalgia-goggles to get by with the shit it does.

That's why it's so incredible that so many people can be so hypocritical to claim it's the best trek show and that enterprise is the worst.

To be fair, TOS is the actual worst. TOS movies made up for it though, and yes, I do give TOS a LOT of leeway for being literally "wagon train in space" and being a 60s show.

I mean, Marcus Welby and Quincy M.E. are some of my favorite shows. I like episodic trash.

But you know, aside from that, you're full of shit, because they go to Romulus with spock and it's obviously a Roman environment, same with the way the Senate and Military are shown in Enterprise and Nemesis.

The only way you could not see this is if you don't know shit about Roman Empire.
And that's fine, we can't know everything. Maybe you know a lot about math or skateboarding or some other thing I don't.
It's all good, but like, READ, nigga.
Shit, pic related book is readily available on amazon and torrents/bookzz so like, learn you a Romulus for great good.
Q - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:48:59 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.58943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
nah he just got triggered by media buzzwords. he couldn't leave it on /pol/ or social media.
Darlene Kursky - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 07:41:56 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look buddy, I don't know what bug crawled up your ass to make you this presumptive, this arrogant, and this fucking rude. I know enough about the Romans to know that I don't know a whole lot, but what I do know simply does not jibe with the Romulans we see in TNG, while TOS at least pushed the angle of what people thought of the Romans back then. Which, as reflected in their other Rome episode, is fairly stereotypical.

Maybe you're just high as shit, and had no idea you were sounding like this much of a cunt, but you're not even giving me a whole lot to go on, either. Romulans are "obviously" Roman? Yeah, I got that far on my own. But if you think it's faithful, you're going to have to explain how, instead of just stating it and insulting the other party.
Quark - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 03:39:17 EST ID:PKjpxs1L No.58969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look up the elitism of Roman society, and the slave culture. Look up the structure of their government. Because you are objectively ignoring those.
Jean-Luc Picard - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 05:22:06 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.58971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
During the time of TOS, there was still this conservative Christian outlook of the Romans as the "true" barbarians, compounded by loads of made up shit and misinterpretations. Of course, Roman civilization was around for roughly two millennia, and was Christian itself for more than half of that.

It seems to me that there was a change in the world of media a few decades ago, where suddenly historical accuracy started mattering a lot more in people's eyes. I recall Troy as the last real swords & sandals film of any worth, that being a movie that didn't even try to be historically accurate. Even when they get it wrong, these days they do try, even if it's only a little. An expert will still tear apart something like Ironclad, but compared to something like that Joan of Arc movie by Luc Besson, it's lot more faithful, even if only in the attempt.

During the times of TOS, the one thing that seemed to define Rome in the eyes of (American) people was their persecution of Christians. And now we know that image might have been exagerated, because a lot of it came from stories Christians themselves used to write, which were purposefully lurid to at once make it clear to Christians that they were a persecuted underclass, but at the same time appeal to non-Christians who just wanted some entertainment. So when the Romulans seem like they're a propaganda version of Rome... it's because they are. And their underhanded way of acting suddenly makes a lot more sense when you look at it from the perspective of a persecuted minority.

In this, Reunification is actually a pretty good example, because it highlights that perspective, with the "Christians" hiding underground, forever fearful of being apprehended, and the selfless Spock "Jesus". Even the distinction between old Rome as represented by the Romulans and the Byzantine/Christian world that came from old Rome as represented by the Vulcans works quite well. I'm not sure if they intended that when they originally created Romulans, but it fits.

This reminds me of Philip K. Dick. He had a massive psychosis, and like a lot of them, his was religious in nature. PKD is a pretty typical kind of guy for the post-war period, already an active writer in the 50's, but never fought in the war himself. So I'd say he represents the age well enough. And his psychosis was that he was a Christian hiding from Roman authorities. That's how prevalent this viewpoint was.
Grimp - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 09:48:01 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.58973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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can this thread be about STD?

stop posting cancer.

Corporal R Richards - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:24:49 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.58974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>There's no indication that CBS will scrap the series altogether, but everything from the tone of the show to the look of the ship that inspired the show's title has given fans pause.

>If "Discovery" took place in a post-apocalyptic future, it could betray the essence of the show it is based on.

>"Enterprise" was cancelled after four seasons due to low ratings. ...And with what we know about "Discovery," there's reason to believe it will continue that trend.

Noah Lessing - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:15:57 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.58979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look man, this 'go look up' bullshit is just not going to fly around here. I am almost positive I know more about Rome than you because it was a major focus for me in school, I can even badly speak latin, but you don't see me whining about 'go take a class in Roman history in latin and THEN you'll see how obviously right I am.' It's pretentious and condescending, which is how you've come across in every post I've seen you make lately.

To the point of what you're saying: no shit Romans were elitist. Do we have any proof that Romulans are elitist? Romans had a slave culture. Do we have any proof that Romulans have slaves? The Romans had a senate. The Romulans have a senate. The US also has a senate. Does that mean the US is Roman?

I'm not objectively ignoring anything. In fact, I'm expressly stating something unrelated to what you seem to be arguing. You seem to think that I am arguing that Romulans aren't based on Romans. I'm not saying that, I'm saying Romulans are based on a shitty, popularized, Americanized interpretation of what Romans were, not on the real thing, and that element doesn't even inform most of their characteristics. So bringing up qualities of Rome that Romulans don't really share doesn't even really respond to my post.

nb because it's not STD
Admiral Hayes - Sun, 23 Apr 2017 20:31:47 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.59011 Ignore Report Quick Reply

it was rumored that this series is going to combine all the characters Mark Lenard played (Sarek, Romulan, Klingon) into one character who is trans-dimensional.

I don't think the producers care about trashing canon.
David Marcus - Sun, 23 Apr 2017 23:25:43 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah I've heard that rumor too. It is literally the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone propose as an explanation for anything. Why do we need to write in an explanation for the fact that there are actors fucking acting in a TV show?
Michael Sullivan - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 04:58:06 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My opinion of VOY isn't quite that low. You've said you prefer ENT. I don't. I think ENT is much worse than VOY, so eh. VOY tried. They really did. So maybe that's why I cut it some slack. VOY has some real talent on the cast, and sometimes the writers even realize it. VOY had potential, and that potential was wasted with some extremely poor management.

That's kind of the problem I have with STD. From everything I hear, they aren't even trying. They don't understand what Star Trek is about, at least according to me. They're even saying shit like "Trek never did this before" while it bloody well fucking did. It reads like the exact same reboot trainwreck you get with every property, from the whole "radically different" angle to "it's going to be darker" thing.
Odo - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:02:52 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.59041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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well the only way we don't end up with endless star trek FOREVER is if it stops being a marketable brand, and maybe (hopefully?) it's becoming that way. Trek 2009 didn't really bring in an "all new generation of fans", right? it's still mostly the already indoctrinated that are buying this shit?

so, good end: STD surprises us all and is solid Trek

alternate good end: STD is destined to ruin everything but the Enterprise crew goes back in time and kills it in production

horror end: STD is nothing but terrible, doesn't get better, but somehow the Star Trek brand manages to stay popular/make enough money for us to have an abominable reiteration of Shit Trek squeezed onto our plate for the rest of our lives

true end: STD is shaky, each new episode gets torn apart by fans, it limps and whimpers through a 2nd or 3rd season and finally starts to find footing just before being canceled a la ENT. we repeat the process in another 10 years.
Guinan - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:24:06 EST ID:UE44MWwN No.59051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe you're right.

All good things.. must come to an end..
Subcommander T'Rul - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:27:41 EST ID:n8McU5oH No.59052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Trek needed to be left fallow for a while after Enterprise. Movies-TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT with more movies through the whole time is a respectable run for a franchise. They keep it lurching along like that Vorta the Ferengi accidentally killed
Christopher Brynner - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:40:34 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.59059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I thought the phrase was "all good things in good time"
Christopher Brynner - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:41:34 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.59060 Ignore Report Quick Reply
nvm, I looked it up and I'm just a hippy burnout
Albert Macklin - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 09:46:38 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.59101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery Switches an Actor's Role Mid-Production

>Previously, Shazad Latif was supposed to be playing a Klingon commander named Kol. Now, he’s playing Lieutenant Tyler, who I swear to god is officially described with the very informative “a Starfleet officer in the Federation.”

>Kol will now be played by Kenneth Mitchell (Frequency). He’ll be joined with two other Klingon leaders, Dennas and Ujilli, played by Clare McConnell (Dim the Fluorescents) and Damon Runyan (Suits), respectively. Rekha Sharma (The 100) is joining the Discovery crew as security officer Commander Landry.

Private W Woods - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 10:16:18 EST ID:3bunwxei No.59102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
tbf cast changes aren't anything out of the ordinary. I mean the same thing happened with Janeway on Voyager. during the pilot. Still it doesn't look
Guinan - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:22:02 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Im putting the probability that it actually comes out at this point at around 38% and falling
Admiral Maxwell Forrest - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 16:09:50 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.59107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I doubt they have any film. Remember, they shitcanned their entire effects crew. That likely means anything that was done before that was junked.
Porthos - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 16:55:29 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah it's becoming quite clear that they are WAY behind schedule. Hence all the attempts at reassuring fans that everything is alright with the production. For all we know they have just started filming. When were they originally planning on releasing the series?
Aren't we past when the show was originally supposed to premiere?
Admiral Maxwell Forrest - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 18:19:48 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.59110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It was meant to drop in January. It got pushed to Summer, then Fall, and now its TBD.
Colonel Lovok - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 22:02:21 EST ID:mg20blE5 No.59111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd say 32.7%

You don't need to be genetically modified to know it's not good though.
Guinan - Fri, 05 May 2017 04:16:22 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sure CBS onDemand is totally a successful model, there's no way that a paid service with ads will fail in competition with 3 equivalent other major paid services that don't have ads
KC Hunter - Fri, 05 May 2017 15:45:06 EST ID:N6IWww43 No.59154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yes, Diversity and subtle racism.
The twin pillars that would make this prank skyrocket through the trending engines.

But like, if discovery is also bad then it just devolves into actual racism and actual bad vibes and that would be terrible.

>spear chucker aliens
The worst part is that it wasn't even TOS. It was TNG doing that.
Keiko O'Brien - Mon, 08 May 2017 01:07:46 EST ID:N5HqGJMh No.59173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think it's more about the whole ensemble. Like that backlit soundstage with rubber palm fronds.

Code of Honor is a clear example of early TNG trying to pull TOS shenanigans with outlandishly on the nose commentary on human culture. It's literally on the same level as the Yankee vs Communist episode.

Compared to that, the Ferengi aren't really so much a racial stereotype as they are a stereotype stereotype. They're simply a representation of the flaws inherent in hardcore capitalism. They're as American as they are Jewish stereotypes.

And yeah. Up The Long Ladder sure is more of that TOS style far too on the nose, not nearly allegorical commentary.

I just think Roddenberry was trying to keep the legacy of his original series intact over actually going back to his original ideals in creating the series. Pandering to what he thought his audience was when TNG was literally for the next generation. As awful as it is to say this, it wasn't bad for the show that he died.
Senator Vreenak - Mon, 08 May 2017 07:03:46 EST ID:K6pRQ8/j No.59177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Genes whole problem was that he didn't want conflict to be the driving part of the plot. No intercrew drama, no war, diplomatic solutions only. Problem was there is only one picard and even TNG showed corrupt star fleet guys. He was just a crazy old man that probably did way too many drugs in the 60-70s. However the long arc shit killed the crab and gene wouldnt stand for that shit.
Darien Wallace - Mon, 08 May 2017 09:26:59 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.59178 Ignore Report Quick Reply



Part of the problem is that we are mincing words a little bit.

Let me agree with your point, but still stick to my position that Code of Honor is more racist than Up the Long Ladder.

Then let me follow up by saying that it is not very intelligent to rank oppressions.

So I agree with no one, not even myself. Thanks 1701.
Lt. JG Nog - Mon, 08 May 2017 10:47:16 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"Race" is basically a meaningless term, anyway. And it has fooled people into thinking that the mechanics of racism only function along the lines white-black-yellow. Ethnicity is a better concept.

My mother is African, so she travels to Africa a lot. One of her anecdotes is about two Kilimanjaro porters asking her why she was talking to some other dude. She asked what the problem was, and they said he is of X tribe, and everyone of X tribe is an idiot. How do they expect someone to tell which tribe another person is from? I don't have a fucking clue.

But that's kind of how I approach the comparison. In terms of the mechanism of racism, I'd say Up The Long Ladder is much more overt. Everyone involved knew exactly what they were doing, and probably thought it as OK with reasoning such as "it's more of a storybook representation" or whatnot. But that's the same justification for minstrel show type deals, and we've basically agreed as a society that being whimsical is not a good justification to misrepresent people, especially in a negative light. I do not see that same overt and misguided attitude in Code of Honor. The people in Code of Honor don't correspond with one, clearcut black stereotype, as far as I'm aware. I read or saw a review where someone pointed out that them bashing their sticks together instead of clapping is a racist representation of black people, but that's something I've never -ever- heard in relation with black stereotypes. When I saw it, I just interpreted as your typical early sci-fi thing where the aliens need to do *something* to not appear too human in their customs.

In short, I think Code of Honor is much more accidentally offensive. It's not mean-spirited. I consider Up The Long Ladder to be consciously offensive. So while I'm cutting people involved in Code of Honor some slack for trying to do something and failing miserably, I come down on the people involved in Up The Long Ladder because they damn well should have known better, especially when I imagine the dour expression Colm Meany must have had the entire time they were filming that abortion of an episode.

Though, I also think I'm harsher on Up The Long Ladder because it did a bundle more wrong. It has the Enterprise crew emotionlessly executing their own clones with hand phasers, portrays both women and substane abuse insensitively, and actually has the crew all but force a woman to "mate" with others against her own will. For the greater good.

Up The Long Ladder is just really, really shit, especially in the context of Star Trek and all it has tried to do. And if it weren't for the fact that they cast a really attractive woman as the stereotypical Irish fury and the fact that she looks really hot when she's trying to hump Riker (it was Riker, right?), the episode wouldn't have a single redeeming feature.

I don't get offended easily. Up The Long Ladder legit offended me.

Agh, well, sorry for ranting. I just really fucking hate that episode. I'd rather sit through Threshold and Shades of Grey back to back than watch Up The Long Ladder again.
Keiko O'Brien - Mon, 08 May 2017 14:45:02 EST ID:N5HqGJMh No.59181 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gene would have been a very positive influence on Voyager IMO. But yeah, he would have been kryptonite to DS9.
Lursa - Wed, 17 May 2017 16:03:12 EST ID:WVrpSik6 No.59254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, it's been rumored the head of CBS legit doesn't know the diffrence between Star Wars and Star Trek.
Captain Rixx - Wed, 17 May 2017 16:59:04 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ST proving you wrong every time you think things couldn't get worse
Captain Rixx - Wed, 17 May 2017 18:05:30 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This is how the Federation dresses for the desert.
Those outfits look in no way like military uniforms. They do however look exactly like Rey's getup from TFA. Unless they're undercover as natives or something, I'm pissed.
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Wed, 17 May 2017 18:38:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Idk man, it's not like they ripped it directly from star wars, but I have only seen the movies once so maybe I'm wrong.
Overall I don't think that trailer was that bad. Though it looks a bit overly serious. It looks like it has done away with 100% of the campyness which I know some people will hate. I think in that regard it can still be alright, but it will turn a lot of people off.
The klingons look fucking retarded. No idea what they were thinking there...
Honestly I don't see why everyone hates the ship design so bad. I don't think it looks that bad. It kinda looks like a cross between NX-01 and NCC-1701.
That whole thing with the bridge crew member that has some special ability to sense death ahead of time is silly also. But all that being said, a lot of the cast is pretty good. It could be alright. It's probably not gonna be great, most likely not in season 1. Idk, 🎵I've Got Faith🎵 that it will hopefully grow into something half decent. These guys really don't know what they're doing, they're winging it, and maybe once they get some feedback and try some stuff out, they'll get a better idea of what works. Maybe they can even work something into the plot that will fix the Klingon appearance.
M'ret - Wed, 17 May 2017 20:08:07 EST ID:YX6hX83Z No.59262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
New Trailer


Those Klingons...
Broca - Wed, 17 May 2017 21:18:54 EST ID:/M7y7o2O No.59263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's like CBS bought all the leftover unused orc costumes from LOTR and said, "Put em in space!"
Emperor Sompek - Wed, 17 May 2017 21:52:14 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59267 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And you're gleaming all of that from the 3 seconds that the captain talked in the trailer?
Willie Hawkins - Wed, 17 May 2017 22:18:56 EST ID:WVrpSik6 No.59268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If I recall, the Chinese captain isn't the one on Discovery, she's on another ship that shows up here and there.

I... think. Lord knows what the plan is now.
Willie Hawkins - Wed, 17 May 2017 22:19:48 EST ID:WVrpSik6 No.59269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>This video is not available.

Natima Lang - Wed, 17 May 2017 23:14:30 EST ID:zjSOHbiO No.59272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you can't get a decent impression of someone from hearing them speak a few phrases you might have autism.

As an example, the moment Picard opens his mouth you know he has gravitas. You don't need to listen to him more than 3 seconds to do that.
Emperor Sompek - Thu, 18 May 2017 00:51:16 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think you have that backwards. Hearing one line and making a complete judgement is pretty autistic. I'm not defending her, I'm just saying that your statement is ridiculous. We know exactly jack shit about her, except that she was talking about giving the black chick from TWD command.
Shit like this is part of why they don't listen to fan input. Some of you guys are so ridiculously autistic that there is no pleasing you and that you will get upset about the most mundane nonsensical shit.
Ensign Miral Paris - Thu, 18 May 2017 01:43:34 EST ID:2w/fhyvv No.59278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Try here: http://www.space.ca/star-trek-discovery-official-trailer/
Kira Taban - Thu, 18 May 2017 07:32:14 EST ID:o8h1WZ8D No.59279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Despite my constant bitching about it, I'm willing to give it a chance. It may be good. There's a high chance it won't be especially since it's yet another FUCKING PREQUEL JESUS FUCK WHY but hey I'd love eat crow.

But fuck the CBS All Access bullshit. Seriously.
Former Gul Rusot - Thu, 18 May 2017 09:33:03 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.59281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't make it 10 seconds into the trailer.

Looks like a complete and utter failure.

Meanwhile the comedy knock-off actually manages to capture my attention.

KC Hunter - Thu, 18 May 2017 09:41:01 EST ID:Wd8rz2aM No.59282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like a lot of you have some Ls to eat, as far as them having very little film shot and the show being unlikely to come out.

Also, how about we stop actively trying to find reasons to despise the thing before it's even come out?
Ensign Vorik - Thu, 18 May 2017 09:52:47 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, this looks resoundingly meh.

First off, it looks like it's taking its inspiration from JJTrek. In fact, a lot of the stuff in this trailer reminded me of what I've seen of the JJTrek video game. Which was your typical insipid, buggy mess that gets thrown on the market to catch a few extra bucks. It also redesigned the Gorn to be completely not unique or fun anymore.

And why the fuck the prequel thing again? Why this big font bullshit about "ten years before Kirk"? It doesn't seem to be borrowing *anything* from TOS. This looks like a super serious arc-driven show with clean visuals. This looks like the antithesis to TOS.

I don't know. Maybe it will be exciting television. But it doesn't look like it'll be Trek. I don't think it'll be as nuanced, as smart, or as fun. It's hard to tell from a trailer like this, but its entire style puts me off.
Admiral Hayes - Thu, 18 May 2017 11:33:23 EST ID:VPc8h94e No.59286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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LOL Seth McFarlane's show looks more like star trek by far on the visuals.

I dunno if this trailer is just horrible but fuck. All this lens flare, positively DARK sets. ZERO klingons have hair, facial or otherwise.

Meanwhile MacFarlane's show nails the uniforms as well. Split the difference between the lighting on the two shows and you have Deep Space Nine. Turn off the dark plz.
Helena Rozhenko - Thu, 18 May 2017 11:41:26 EST ID:xkwm0uRC No.59288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The word you're looking for is "gleaning"
Legate Turrel - Thu, 18 May 2017 15:58:10 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59289 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This trailer just confirms every horrible thing we've been saying from the start of this thread (and the other Discovery thread, RIP.) It's NuTrak the show. Lens flares everywhere, no regard for design continuity, no regard for the continuity in general! (This obviously is the end of the original Trek continuity. No matter how much they say it's in the old universe, there is no way you can reconcile the Klingons we just saw with the Klingons we already have.)
It makes a point to talk about how they're 'shooting first' when the Federation doesn't. So we know it's going to be a NuTrak brainless violence romp. It's all grim and dark and grimdark, no spirit of inspiration or exploration or discovery -- (or comradery, fellowship, a sense of adventure, basically it resembles Star Trek in that there is a space ship, and there are Vulcans, and they're talking about Klingons.)

I swear people nowadays will say anything is good if the trailer is cut right with the right music and pacing. At this point, though, it doesn't even matter if it's going to be good or not. What are we going to do about our continuity? It's clearly about to get stomped on. Are we going to have to have three canons we talk about, 'Roddenberry/Bermantrek', 'JJTrek' and now what? 'Discotrash?'
Sarah Sisko - Thu, 18 May 2017 19:24:43 EST ID:NPEkgCO2 No.59292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Khan Noonien Singh - Thu, 18 May 2017 21:30:07 EST ID:NNu0rHAt No.59293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This was basically my reaction through the whole trailer
But for real, I'm holding judgement until it fully comes out
but it looks like shit right now ;_;
Vic Fontaine - Fri, 19 May 2017 00:54:59 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.59301 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Signed sealed and delivered. You named the new metaverse.
Kang - Fri, 19 May 2017 03:53:51 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59302 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, I just watched the trailer for the McFarlane thing.

It looks better. I'm not saying that because I'm bitter. I'm saying that because it actually looks funny and seems to be much more aware of the nature of Star Trek. That is, the Star Trek we know. I figure McFarlane is a big fan, because he did a Trek episode of Family Guy, and one character in American Dad is basically Patrick Stewart.

Honestly, it's pretty weird that we can have a comedy show that's making fun of tropes in proper Trek while official Trek looks nothing like Trek.

Also, Bashir's dad is in McFarlane's trailer.
Tora Ziyal - Fri, 19 May 2017 10:58:04 EST ID:WVrpSik6 No.59304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Also, Bashir's dad is in McFarlane's trailer.

THATS who he is. That was driving me nuts.
T'Les - Fri, 19 May 2017 23:44:48 EST ID:samNUQ7B No.59313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think that Yeoh is a decent actress.

But in the trailer she is sitting on her captains chair as if it is going to eat her, or she has a stick up her ass. I had this whole thing my head about her being a sentient stick, up some poor humans ass, and that would explain the way she is sitting.

But it is more likely that she is doing her best to act in a total shit storm of horrible. She just looks uncomfortable. Like those test scenes of Nicole Janeway. Just wrong, bad. She looks like a queen sitting on a throne, not a captain.
Lwaxana Troi - Sun, 21 May 2017 17:42:11 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I was the one who called him autistic. But I had a point. How are producers gonna get valid criticism when trekkies give so many ridiculously trivial criticisms. They'd have to wade through a sea of silly bullshit to find some good criticism. Albeit there is plenty to criticize in the trailer, but saying that they already know the captain is gonna be shit because of 1 line, and saying that she's not gonna live up to Picard is fucking ridiculous. Of course she isn't, and you're a dipshit for making a judgement based on one line of text.
Also, some of the bridge crew looks silly, but there's no way that the guy who can sense death will be as fucking obnoxious as Neelix. Trek has never been perfect, you guys see everything through rose colored glasses. All of the shows started with flaws and you guys are gonna condemn Star Trek to death by your ridiculous criticisms.
For fucks sake just go with the flow.
Admiral Cartwright - Mon, 22 May 2017 00:00:29 EST ID:zjSOHbiO No.59337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm the guy you called an autist.

Summed it all up pretty nicely.

Basically, you're free to think this won't be shit and marvel at our shit detecting intuition from such a limited dataset. However I reserve the right to say "atodaso" when it inevitably ends up being shit.
Chulak - Mon, 22 May 2017 04:47:19 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>classic star trek
What is classic star trek? TOS? TNG? DS9? VOY? I'm sure you're not gonna say ENT.
They're all vastly different brands. They all have their own unique flavors and themes, bad and good. Some lean more towards the bad, but they're all enjoyable imo. Voyager and ENT had horrible starts, bad writing and bad cast but still had great episodes and a lot of potential. The potential is in the Trek universe, which this series takes place in.

Also, this trailer doesn't seem that well put together. It didn't have any substance to it at all. There was no real hint at a plot except that it involved klingons. The point is that we're not getting much of the picture at all. And to make a total judgement based on that tiny piece of the picture is silly.

It's not wishful thinking. It's me trying to keep an open mind. I have a lot to be negative about it for. All the rumors and corporate meddling etc. But that's not enough to come out with a judgement for the show.

The way you're talking about it makes it seem like you're not even gonna be capable of giving a decent judgement of the show after it comes out. You've already made up your mind. And in that way, imo, you're doing trek a dis service by not even giving this a chance. Yeah you can say you're doing it a service by blocking out the Nu Trek garbage or whatever some people want to call it but it's not JJ Trek. It may have taken some cues from JJ Trek, hopefully drew a few good things from stuff that worked, and taken cues from stuff that didn't. But I didn't see 1000 lens flares in the trailer and they didn't blow up the ship 300 times so I don't know if they took too much from JJ.
Timothy Lang - Mon, 22 May 2017 08:03:14 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59347 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It absolutely confounds me that you're coming down on people for voicing their opinion on a trailer. It's a fucking trailer. That's what they're for. If you're so concerned about this shit, don't tell us to stop talking about it, tell the producers to not put out trailers.

I really dislike this attitude of parading ignorance as a virtue. I've seen trailers before. I know TV. And guess what? When something has a trailer like this, I generally don't like the product. I mean, if you want a suspense movie, are you going to blindly go for something by Micheal Bay? No, you're not, because Micheal Bay is the dude who does explosion movies.

This is what people are saying: "This trailer does not look good, and I do not think I will enjoy the actual product". And after that, they talk about the specifics of why it doesn't look good. That's not a feedback of negativity. That's you being a gatekeeper for this show. If people didn't talk about the shit you mention, they wouldn't be talking about anything. So you're basically telling Star Trek fans to not talk about the new Star Trek show, because any negative criticism amounts to "hate".

Look, it's pretty clear that TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and even ENT were made by the same line of people, in the same tradition. All but ENT being produced continuously. And by ENT, that tradition had become pretty diluted on its own. Now we've had a sizable gap without any Trek, save for JJTrek. This is an entirely new product.

And you both use "it might not be total crap, just wait" as an argument. That alone should tell you how bad things look. This discussion isn't going on in the Orville thread, after all.
Chulak - Mon, 22 May 2017 13:48:58 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My point is that the trailer isn't nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be.
1) In all likeliness they didn't just retcon the Klingons to look like that, there's probably some plot behind it.
2) Yeah it's overly dramatic but that's not the end of the world. TNG and DS9 were overly dramatic at times.
3) ENT and VOY started off terrible and still had some greatness.
4) The Klingon Sarcophagus ship probably has something to do with the storyline and explanation of the weird Klingon appearance.
5) I doubt the "I can sense death" guy will be as bad as Neelix when that character first started, which was by far the worst bridge crew ever in trek.
6) The only thing the captain said was that it was time for that other chick to get a command of her own. I don't think that's enough to gleam anything at all really about how she will be as a trek captain.
There are a few others but I'm tired.
Hadley - Mon, 22 May 2017 14:38:58 EST ID:PoJIX+gO No.59357 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Meh, I'm of the opinion that trailers are not a reliable way to gauge how good an end product will be.
Private W Woods - Mon, 22 May 2017 18:40:31 EST ID:Wd8rz2aM No.59360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can't pass what happens in this thread as legitimate criticism.

>I didn't make it 10 seconds into the trailer.

>the captain is totally uninspiring and it's clear she was just hired for her diversity factor rather than any acting ability
The above opinion is expressed based on three seconds of dialogue

>Women wearing robes are literally Star Wars Muslims

The problem isn't criticism, criticise away. But you really can't be blind to the fact that the criticisms in this thread are over-the-top and based on very little. This weakens any legitimate criticisms you have because they're grouped in with ridiculous ass-sores.

When you're so prejudiced against something that you criticise it based on data you don't have, you're often wrong. Just look at the consensus a month ago that there was very little footage shot.
Furel - Tue, 23 May 2017 06:18:31 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59369 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's what I'm seeing: People voice their opinions, and you tell them that they are wrong and should shut up. Maybe you are the one who should take a chill pill.

You're putting a lot of words in people's mouths, and making assumptions on that. People rant about the JJTrek movies because they don't follow the Star Trek formula. The TNG movies might be bad by Star Trek standards, but they're still Star Trek. This new show is the same problem. Just because it has the name "Star Trek" on there doesn't mean it's actually like Star Trek. Kind of like how the RoboCop cartoon was nothing like the movie.

>And they're not in the same tradition, they're all vastly different, the only similarities in all of those shows is that they are in the Star Trek universe.

But that's just not true. There was huge crosspollination between the main block of Trek shows, with the same people working on it, and even the same props and sets being used.

>And no they weren't produced continuously, there was like 20 years between TOS and TNG.

I made a typo, smartass. I meant TOS instead of ENT.

>And I was arguing a few specific points that people were criticizing in the trailer, if you cared to read back before replying to me.

Sure. That's not what you were saying what I responded too, though. My gripe is the whole "don't judge the trailer on anything" attitude. If you want to discuss people's points, fine by me. Because frankly, all the SJW arguments don't hold water. Not saying some might not come true, because I have zero faith in STD right now, but there's not enough to go on.

>And I never used that argument, it's called trying to keep an open mind and not being so negative and nitpicking ridiculous shit.

No, keeping an open mind is trying to see people's reason for making an argument instead of trying to put them down as negative. Maybe they have a reason to be negative. I see plenty reasons, but you're slapping it all down with "but it's called Star Trek". If you went "but there are some Trek veterans working on this" maybe people would say "yeah, that's right". But you're insisting there's no real difference between this and other Trek. And that's just not the way a lot of us see it. We see a radical departure from what we know as Star Trek.
Lt. George Primmin - Tue, 23 May 2017 09:05:42 EST ID:+L6e34l6 No.59370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Because frankly, all the SJW arguments don't hold water.
Could you explain how you're using SJW in this context?
Herbert Rossoff - Tue, 23 May 2017 09:14:25 EST ID:samNUQ7B No.59371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pedantic, pretentious.

This is a trailer for a show no one will watch.
Furel - Tue, 23 May 2017 10:40:27 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean the concerns that this will suck because it's pandering to SJW's. I do expect a certain level of pandering, but I don't think that could make Trek suck. The captain could be a Chrislamic genderqueer aboriginal, in fact the captain could be not human at all, and if this were actual Star Trek, it wouldn't matter. Star Trek has had terrorists, war criminals, and even rapists in positions of sympathy. So I think a show following the Trek example will be able to do the same with Asians and gays.

But I think they won't be following the Trek example at all. Just putting "diversity" on the bridge won't hurt Trek. Doing it and thinking you're done, that's what hurts Trek.
Erika Benteen - Sat, 27 May 2017 11:54:29 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59457 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>much to the dismay
Vice Admiral Nakamura - Sun, 28 May 2017 06:47:27 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.59471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Star Trek Beyond went through a similar kind of production hell. It came out watchable and inoffensive though a little lame as you sit with it.
Guinan - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 23:32:03 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It seems to me that all three of the nutreks don't stand up to rewatching.. the more you watch them, they shittier you realize they are.

I've only watched the STD pilot once but... I have a feeling that show will follow the same pattern, unless it improves over the course of the first season.. which Data have calculated as a 17.23% probability and falling
Data - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 01:34:46 EST ID:7JLxWaz3 No.61309 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seems like you're a faggot for talking your ass. This is clearly better than JJ Trek.
Enabran Tain - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 02:23:35 EST ID:y6gYbGe5 No.61310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Did what happened to the sister ships crew, when they tested the drive, give anyone a horrible reminder of the episode that shall not be mentioned?
Guinan - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 03:30:24 EST ID:D+G4Jrxh No.61313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I got more of a TNG evolution vibe with a side order of the 80s SciFi horror movie The Thing
Gul Ranor - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:18:31 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I saw in the last episode the credits listed "Story by Bryan Fuller"
I thought they just gave him an executive producer credit but that he didn't write anything?
Valkris - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 16:40:16 EST ID:nIjtrALu No.61467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
'Story by' means he conceived the story and worked on developing it. Someone else wrote the script. Like the difference between an architect and an interior designer.
Grand Nagus Gint - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 00:06:11 EST ID:rOx+VKsg No.61561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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VPN to Europe and watch on Netflix IMO. CBS offered me a month when I canceled my week trial. I didn't fucking take it. Netflix paid for this shit, and I paid for a VPN to not have ads. Better spent money than CBS all access.
Data - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 01:19:50 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.61562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jesus, even if Discovery was the best parts of TOS, TNG, and DS9 distilled, it woudn't be enough to get people to join that shit.
Captain Tel-Peh - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 01:28:44 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They see the way that the world is changing and I bet these cable networks that aren't doing as great as say FX or HBO, with their successes with original programming, are getting pretty desperate.
Guinan - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:42:10 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not sure if this thread is still bumpable.. but I wonder how much the CBS subscriptions are going to drop over this STD hiatus.. I feel like people who actually decided to pay to see this show will want to cancel the service until trek is back on again.. hell some may even wait until a couple episodes pile up.
Seskal - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:10:18 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62877 Ignore Report Quick Reply

None of CBS's moves have made sense to me, but I am not an executive for a dying legacy media company unable to adapt to new platforms.
Third of Five - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:08:04 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.62895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its funny that all these articles have come out saying CBS all access had its best week/month/quarter ever because of STD and that somehow proves both All Access and STD are big hits but no one even knew or cared about AA before STD so of course the numbers are going to be much higher when your flagship show premiers. Its the only reason people subscribed.

Say what you will about having yet another streaming service but at least Stargate Command is doing it for a legitimate reason plus they are only asking for $20 and you get a lifetime membership with access to all old and future content.
Turanj - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:32:07 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Naw man, it's all those people getting their NCIS:<insert proper noun here> fix....

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