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The Orville by Weyoun 5 - Tue, 16 May 2017 12:51:11 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.59221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Uh, guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9sKeCE8V0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orville
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Persis - Tue, 16 May 2017 12:54:03 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.59222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>episodes directed by Braga and Frakes

>slick visuals

>essentially stealing Galaxy Quest stealing TOS

nb
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B'Etor - Tue, 16 May 2017 13:43:15 EST ID:WVrpSik6 No.59223 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Seth MacFarlane

Into the trash it goes.
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Captain Rudolph Ransom - Tue, 16 May 2017 14:55:49 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah I saw this yesterday and I love how this pile of garbage can get produced without any fucking issues but it has to be a massive ordeal just to get some real star trek.
Fuck this, to quote Vic "It looks like Galaxy Quest made by retards"
It looks horrible.

That being said I will watch it just in case it has any merit.
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Burt Ryan - Tue, 16 May 2017 15:40:33 EST ID:n8McU5oH No.59226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
YOU THINK DAAATS BAD
REMEMBER THAT TIME ON THE PLANET OF THE [thing]
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Jimmy - Tue, 16 May 2017 16:52:19 EST ID:afOfMV10 No.59227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59221
other than the awkward as smeg pissing joke

those jokes weren't too bad, about what you'd expect from the rejects crew
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Tue, 16 May 2017 19:51:21 EST ID:YX6hX83Z No.59231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Damn it. I want to hate this but I'll probably still watch a few episodes.
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Kayron - Tue, 16 May 2017 20:23:17 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.59232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59223
>>59224
>>59226
>>59227
>>59231

like Captain Ransom said, I am just mad that this seems like it took them all of 8 months to bang out and it looks good. It will be a fox comedy so it will have poop jokes.

I don't really care. I have said before that Star Trek (while I love it) is based on a flawed premise and cannot be done as a straight drama anymore. Funny foreheads do not work. Making the Klingons into the real world ethnicity of the week devalues the real world ethnicity...

blah blah blah I don't hate it.
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Captain Rixx - Wed, 17 May 2017 00:53:29 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59221
The thing of it is, as cringe-worthy as the humor looks, and as painfully stale as MacFarlane's comedic shtick is at this point, there are more than a few things in this trailer that seem like genuine, well produced (if silly) science fiction. Maybe this will be America's Red Dwarf? More than a few times on his two shows MacFarlane has tried to make complex plots, or pull of sci-fi storylines, and they're often more interesting than the jokes. This could actually be great.
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Enabran Tain - Wed, 17 May 2017 01:34:52 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59237
Also, Seth Mcfarlane was obviously a trekkie, or at least very familiar with Trek. He appeared in ENT and he has made quite a few Trek skits in Family Guy that were pretty funny actually. So it may actually be good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqpRdZsBX70
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Captain Rixx - Wed, 17 May 2017 03:01:36 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59238
Oh, he's a Trekkie to be sure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL7Us5SVpoM
You don't bring the entire cast of a vaguely remembered '90s sci-fi show on for an entire episode of your third longest running cartoon sitcom in TV history unless you are a hopeless fanboy
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Liquidator Brunt - Wed, 17 May 2017 03:40:23 EST ID:NNu0rHAt No.59240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59239
>vaguely remembered
u wot m8
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Koloth - Wed, 17 May 2017 05:13:51 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59232
It's because of the general attitude. Everyone banged on about forehead aliens so long that people now believe it. But in reality, actors are still human beings, and if you want them to emote, you have to have their faces visible. It's either rubber forehead aliens, or full-on, expensive effects with very little go-between. It's more the modern edgy attitude that dooms Trek than the premise of Trek being flawed.

After all, no-one had trouble with human-as-fuck aliens in JJTrek, to the point where they turned a species that was added to TAS *specifically* to take advantage of technology and be non-human into a human with weird ears and a tail.

Similarly, the races were always standins for humanity. Not human cultures, because that's lazy as fuck, but traits of humanity. Any war-like society with an external system of honor resembles the Klingons, and any fascist society resembles the Cardassians.

But am I pissed that a Trek parody, decades after the fact, is getting the go-ahead while Trek as a property languishes in the hands of incompetent buffoons? Yes. Yes, I am.
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Kayron - Wed, 17 May 2017 09:33:57 EST ID:U9OytMf9 No.59243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>CASSIDY
>MOTHERFUCKIN
>YATES

Penny Johnson Jerald in the hooooooooouzzzzzzzzzzz
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Stonn - Wed, 17 May 2017 11:26:08 EST ID:n8McU5oH No.59247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59243
oh shit Cassidy Yates is DekaGreen
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Captain Rixx - Wed, 17 May 2017 17:04:41 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59240
By the general TV viewing public, yes. By the TV executives MacFarlane would have had to convince to run his episode, yes. 'Uhm, that was the show with Professor Xavier and the yellow robot, right?' It's sad but true, not everyone thinks about Star Trek the way Trekkies do.
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Subcommander Velal - Thu, 18 May 2017 23:06:25 EST ID:OlAq4NOE No.59294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The thing with Seth Macfarlane is he knows exactly what he does and doesn't pretend he's doing anything right. When he makes a poop joke it's fully intentional. I wanted him to do Trek because I'm certain he can be completely serious and hell bent on writing good stories. It sucks he gets shoved to the side so special effects and enemy-of-the-damn-minute attention span idiots will pay out. Now we're stuck in development hell with the new series, which no doubt will get screwed over like every mainstream sci-fi has been.

I'm wondering when Fox will get sued over it, because Seth was explicitly requested to direct when they were looking for directors of the new Trek.
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Subcommander Velal - Thu, 18 May 2017 23:18:25 EST ID:OlAq4NOE No.59296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59294
he explicitly requested* iirc
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Minuet - Fri, 19 May 2017 00:49:37 EST ID:hFMlYppe No.59300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59257
I think you may be counter-balancing too hard. Take a look at something like this: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/24/arts/television-profits-reruns-and-the-end-of-next-generation.html?pagewanted=all .

>It quickly became a mammoth hit.
>"To my knowledge, this is the most expensive show produced for television."
>The series finale drew a huge 17.4 rating, which translates into more than 31 million viewers. If it had been a network show, it would have ranked second for the week, right between "Home Improvement" and "Seinfeld."

Or perhaps http://ew.com/article/1994/05/06/star-trek-next-generation-readies-last-episode/ :

>Next Generation has been a warp-propelled profit machine from the start-and is still the highest-rated syndicated drama in the history of television, with 15 to 20 million viewers a week.

In my experience, it's about as culturally prevalent as James Bond. Most people have seen a few episodes, and just about everyone knows the general themes involved. The average man on the street might give you a blank look if you ask him the difference between a Bajoran and a Cardassian, but he probably could give you a decent description of the Borg.
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Kang - Fri, 19 May 2017 03:59:55 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59303 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59300
Yeah, I'd describe only myself and two friends as real "Trekkies". That is to say, hardcore fans. But loads of people I know have watched and liked the show. Even the most normie dudes go weak in the knees when they see Picard.

For fuck's sake, I've been to a con with my mother and sister, and they enjoyed it more than I did. Overall, there's this weird idea that has taken hold that fans don't know what they're talking about, and big money execs are far more aware of what makes good television. It's an attitude that really irks me, to be honest. Yes, fans can be obsessive and wrong. But time and again Trek fans have shown that they know how things work, from spec script writers to McFarlane's new show.

Maybe someone will make a serious show in Trek style, at some point. But we're so caught up in this idea of "serious television for serious people" that a comedy show might just be the only genre lighthearted enough to not treat Trek like yet another super serious show with people glaring at each other the whole time.

I hope this shit outperforms STD.
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DaiMon Bractor - Sun, 21 May 2017 02:14:50 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.59322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59303
I'm still waiting for HBO to get their hands on a show some day.
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Badar N'D'D - Sun, 21 May 2017 19:42:54 EST ID:t5vqWH1q No.59332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59221

looks fun.
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Mon, 22 May 2017 00:07:54 EST ID:mQBX4dTo No.59338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It upsets me that when I close my eyes and think of what Star Trek looks like I see The Orville instead of Star Trek: Discovery. The costume designs, ship designs, alien designs and the entire "feel" of the show screams Trek to me, meanwhile Discovery looks like everything I didn't like about NuTrek.

If they tone down McFarlane's particular brand of comedy just a little and throw in some more dramatic stuff now and then, which it looks like it will based on the trailer, then I will at least give it a shot past the first episode
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Admiral William J Ross - Mon, 22 May 2017 23:14:15 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.59364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59338
I just wish MacFarlane didn't stick his ugly fucking mug smack dab in the middle of this.
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Morn - Tue, 23 May 2017 10:17:44 EST ID:2B1e3Uap No.59372 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So, I watched the trailer. Hated it.

Then I watched Discovery's trailer. Then I rewatched Orville's trailer.

... God dammit, the parody looks like the show I'd rather watch.
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Kono - Tue, 23 May 2017 22:02:37 EST ID:aGXOTlyw No.59379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59372
The most brilliant move was putting it out at the same time
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Benny Russell - Wed, 24 May 2017 06:12:52 EST ID:Jt8Wk/lF No.59388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59379
I don't think that was intentional. I think it was meant to follow Discovery. Then Discovery kept getting delayed.

I think MacFarlane is a big enough fan of every incarnation of Star Trek that it stands a chance at showing up Discovery as a more faithful interpretation, even if it's done in a very MacFarlane way.

Anyway American Dad is fine and more recently, Blunt Talk has been some top notch stuff, and Macfarlane had the good sense to produce that. He ain't all bad.

What is bad is all the MacFarlane haters who dump on everything MacFarlane even when it's Blunt Talk and it's the entirely the brainchild of Jonathan Ames without Seth's creative input. Family Guy hate is legit, MacFarlane hate is bullshit.
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Roy Ritterhouse - Wed, 24 May 2017 15:42:53 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59388
I didn't know he had his fingers in Blunt Talk. I really need to get around to watching that...

To be fair, people wouldn't blindly hate MacFarlane as a meme now if people didn't blindly love Family Guy as a meme 10 years ago. It's just the cycle of cultural revenge.
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Subcommander T'Rul - Wed, 24 May 2017 16:17:56 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59388
Idk man the timing seems impeccable. I bet he has the draw to whip something like this up really quickly, and it would be brilliant of Fox to catch wind of troubles with CBS's trek and if they were to have asked him I doubt he would have been able to say no.
If they did do it on purpose, it was a genius plan and either way I bet Fox will be making more money off this than CBS off of DSC at the current rate.
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Mot - Sun, 28 May 2017 22:25:51 EST ID:zMVRg8aH No.59490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everybody has seen McFarlane's student animated short "Life of Larry" right? It's basically Family Guy minus Meg and about 50% of it is TOS jokes. I think The Orville is the show McFarlane has always wanted to make and finally can.

I'm optimistic.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 30 May 2017 23:14:15 EST ID:asWVBJxF No.59536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doesn't The Orville sound similar to Other Space? That was a similar show that aired for a season on Yahoo Screen though it was more like Red Dwarf than Star Trek. But I think given how big of a fan Seth is of Star Trek, I think it has potential. Plus I like Norm MacDonald.
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Wed, 31 May 2017 00:28:34 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.59537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59391
Blunt Talk has a really goofy weird charm about it. It's fairly vulgar and pretty smart.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 13:21:20 EST ID:p7XMDbPh No.59569 Report Quick Reply
>>59537
It really was. It sucks Starz canceled it like they did with Party Down since their comedies are pretty good.
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Guinan - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:45:17 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59569
>Was

FUUUUCCCKKKKKKKKK.

THIS IS NEWS TO ME
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 00:54:57 EST ID:asWVBJxF No.59632 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59583
It got an initial two season order but it didn't get renewed most likely due to low ratings. Had a hell of a cast too.
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M'ret - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 02:26:12 EST ID:+yU5SQDm No.59814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't wait for the episode where Blob Norm MacDonald gets turned human for an episode and they completely deadpan it and act like nobody noticed because he's so fat.
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M'ret - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:46:34 EST ID:+yU5SQDm No.59815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59814
Ooh. Better yet the episode where Norm MacDonald gets turned human but they calculate the volume of human Norm and scale him down to match the volume of the blob and he's 3 feet tall.
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Li Nalas - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:12:06 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59819 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Man if they really manage to channel the theme/feel from Galaxy Quest into this, it could end up being gold.
I'm not gonna get my hopes too high up but I'm definitely excited to see how this does.
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Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:55:52 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>orville shuttle spotted on freeway

the only reason to not use a tarp because they knew we would post this.

pretty neat tho.
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Third of Five - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 02:42:22 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59822
Looks pretty cool. Have they showed what the ship actually looks like yet?
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Christopher Brynner - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:54:25 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.59825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59824
The back is identical or similiar to the ship in the background.
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Weyoun 5 - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 05:13:02 EST ID:5N0f6V+d No.59826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59825
I'm imagining the practical solid looking design could be a joke?
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Rionoj - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 05:33:31 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.59827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59826
Nah they use models for all their close up ships. Nothing like the big ILM Star trek models but small and detailed miniatures.
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Weyoun 5 - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 06:27:19 EST ID:5N0f6V+d No.59828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59827
I mean because all trek ships are flimsy and impractical, this thing is probably sturdier and also because it's solid rather than having long arms everywhere you can fit more "ship" into a smaller shield bubble or warp field or whatever else you use.

If I was building a space ship to actually win fights it'd be more like the Orville and less like the Enterprise. I mean I guess this is why the Borg fly around in cubes and spheres.
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Prinadora - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:08:09 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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model
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Prinadora - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:09:24 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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from back

strange but cool design imo
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B'Elanna Torres - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:27:46 EST ID:oP/P42rV No.59833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59831
It looks like an amalgamation of a modern day destroyer, a squid and one of those Vulcan ring ships.
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Phlox - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:07:31 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59828
The in universe explanation for why starfleet ships look so wonky is that only certain hull geometries are 'aerodynamic' with a warp field. That's why originally they made all the strict rules about nacelles having to be on pylons with line of sight to each other and away from the main hull. The alien ships from TOS mostly follow this rule, but then they just stopped caring.
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Porthos - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 03:19:44 EST ID:mQBX4dTo No.59846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59833
I thought the same thing the first time I saw the trailer
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Simon Tarses - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:42:56 EST ID:6NmnCisv No.59851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59831

make me think of a basketball
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Natima Lang - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:50:56 EST ID:Paa+aYhB No.59852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
toilet seat left up lolololo
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Senator Pardek - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:58:55 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59831
that's actually kinda neat
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Keldar - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 01:07:03 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59831
It kinda reminds me of Moya, but instead of the lines intercepting in the back they intercept in the middle then go through to the back.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:23:38 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.59900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59831
I'd drop the middle part, it sort of looks like it'd get fried by the upper and lower parts, but thats a small quibble.

The fact they made a physical model? Thats fucking awesome.
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Admiral Hayes - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:23:29 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59900
>when a parody show makes more of an effort to be authentic than the actual property under development

Truly we live in dark times.
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Sarina Douglas - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:51:37 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59915
yup. And they're making a serious effort. Those beige walls look so much like tng, and you can tell they were trying to go for as LCARS ish as possible without directly stealing it, and changing the color scheme.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:13:00 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59916

>1990s future: beige, lights, screens, sex, fun, philosophy, 'spolsions

>2017 future: dark, grim, grimdark, darkflare, hijab, preachy
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Lt. Joseph Carey - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:12:02 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.59927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59919

Honestly, if you think about it. This was because of 9/11. 9/11 made Americans realise that no matter what, no one is safe and there will never be a utopian worldview.
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Keldar - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 18:58:21 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59927

> 9/11 made Americans realise that no matter what, no one is safe and there will never be a utopian worldview.

I am an american and you are a fucking idiot.

nb.
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Mobara - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:49:42 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59931
You're blind if you don't see the impact on how America sees the world since 9/11.

Everything has been slightly more grimdark since then.
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Dejar - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:17:54 EST ID:lu6itdk3 No.59934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59927
American here. It made me realize that towers don't spontaneously explode.
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Dr. Mizan - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:35:44 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.59935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59934
Wait, that's something you had to learn?
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:54:55 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59933

>Everything has been grimdark since then

You need to see a counselor.

Stop assuming every american feels like you do.

Stop being a pussy and start dreaming again.
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Travis Mayweather - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:45:42 EST ID:IaHdiKel No.59944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59936
A lot of media has tapped into that sentiment but it's definitely not true.

Some progressives are self righteous and some are just failures looking to blame their mistakes on society being "rigged" against them but a lot of them genuinely believe we can keep going forward and believe it is imperative that every action is taken and backsliding it resisted. There's a lot of them and they're the majority.
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Lwaxana Troi - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:09:29 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59936
Shutup fag I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about everyone else and the media, which television is a part of.
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Guinan - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 03:40:49 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59936
>>59934
>>59934
>>59933

I came to earth from El Aurian Prime solely to listen to the greatest writers of fiction and science fiction to learn the soul of the human species. Your sci fi must not become grimdark and stay muddled in that rut or you will not travel the stars! Without a positive utopian outlook, there's no inspiring. If you make space scary and awful, no one's gonna want to go. Especially since it really can be awful and scary. Star Trek has given that kind of hope to generations of kids who grew up to be astronomers and astronauts, or even who just grew up supporting the idea of exploring beyond this tiny sphere, onto the great beyond. JJ Trek isn't that kind of future. We don't really have time to see the good parts between the action scenes, the parts that wouldn't give you PTSD, the parts that people would think

>"Aw fuck that's cool, imagine if this was what I did?"
>Travel space exploring the unknown
>Where no man has gone before!
>Suddenly you slip through the deckplates and get eviscerated when you rematerialize
>"Ow"

Okay okay there was that.. but consider how cozy life on the EntD would be... The most on-screen deaths we see is only like 70 kids or something

Goddammit I'm not getting my point across I'm doing the opposite

What I'm trying to say is that the overall message of Old Trek was that the future would be a better time.. that things would improve for us as a species, in spite of hard times.. that we would become as a people, something more than we are today. We have to hope for things like that. We should strike for things like that.

Like others have said, if you don't want to explore a non utopian star trek universe and just pretend in your mind it is trek but it's set in one of the infinite mirror universes.

But it's my opinion that sci fi in the current millennium has become increasingly dystopian and by extension, the youth who watch it become less inclined towards space exploration. We need more positive, utopian scifi. We may be killing our future by darkening our dreams of it.

That is my El Aurian opinion
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Lwaxana Troi - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 03:47:47 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59956
That was filmed by Kubrick.
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Kai Opaka - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:00:26 EST ID:Qo4yytmf No.59958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59221
To be fair Family Guy might be shit but American Dad remained funny for a good 7-8 years, it seems to depend on the exact mixture of people involved but if it stays more plot/characters-funny and less randumb-humour funny it'll probably be good. Honestly I'll try a few episodes off the back of that trailer alone.
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Kor - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:00:54 EST ID:hgXev95+ No.59959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59956
>but consider how cozy life on the EntD would be... The most on-screen deaths we see is only like 70 kids or something

>Goddammit I'm not getting my point across I'm doing the opposite
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Guinan - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:30:49 EST ID:zHG+MQ1n No.59965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59959
You know what I mean though... The vibe of grimdark scifi doesn't show you a life you might wanna live.. but in the 60s-90s when scifi was less edgy, even the darker stuff had technologies that were cutting edge and revolutionary, things we now have but take for granted. Old scifi was a driving force behind human innovation and technical progress, now that's going to stagnate because all our dreams are dead and dying. We need positivity in science fiction or else the future becomes a nightmare rather than a dream
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Lwaxana Troi - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:02:13 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59965
If it's any consolation, at least there has been a slight shift as of late, considering all the developments with stuff like Space-X and the discoveries on Mars. There's a bit of a sci fi renaissance going on, at least in movies. It hasn't made it to tv yet though. Sci fi tv at the moment is overwhelmingly downbeat.
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EMH MARK 2 - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:53:42 EST ID:sQLio0UG No.59972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I like the way it looks, it's a surprise, if I could have this in the place of family guy and company on tv I'll take it

Everything about it gives me the proper star trek feel, if you can ignore the puerile immaturity that it is contractually obligated to have as a media product of the future.
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Kor - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:50:21 EST ID:/1chkS2B No.59987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59967
Kind of hoping for tempered optimism now. A lot of previously fantasy concepts are within reach and we need to be considering both the potential benefits to inspire us to reach up but also the hazards so we don't fuck it up. We're looking at advanced ai, we should be considering both of soong's boys.
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Minuet - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 09:39:42 EST ID:9GP7BciH No.60017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59967
Well The Martian is the kind of sci-fi that's really inspiring and aspirational near-future stuff.

But it's a hell of a lot more successful as a movie than most of those. It's not political drama and high concept stuff like Contact, but a really well told story with humor and pathos, tension, struggle and a bit of action.

The Martian is the kind of Sci-fi the world needs more of, and it's largely down to being damn well written and grounded.

I think Seveneves could be the next great thing in that line of adaptation, but I'd much rather see it as a longer HBO type series than a single movie So I think the Martian has the edge again for not being so expansive and difficult to unpack.

Goddamn The Martian is a good movie. Shits on Interstellar.
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Hikaru Sulu - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 13:36:24 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.60018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60017
Disagree.
It was a good movie, but not all that compelling, and kinda boring. Yeah it was well written and in general was technically good, but it just wasn't that interesting. Matt Damon is just bland.
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Trentin Fala - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 21:36:24 EST ID:9GP7BciH No.60028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60018
Well it's the movie about a stranded dude. We've seen that a million times. But mainly it's about how realistic and accurate the portrayal was.

It was "Hard" sci-fi without being too hard to digest. Almost like a fictional version of Apollo 13. Even if you don't like it it's the kind of thing we should have more of.

I also think that groundedness is what Interstellar completely missed with its high concept stuff. 2001: a space odyssey had both the groundedness and the high concept stuff along with a bunch of out there imagery. And that's where Interstellar failed to live up to 2001's standard.

Star Trek is fundamentally concept sci-fi though. It has its roots more in the realm of The Twilight Zone than this sort of thing.
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Admiral Chekote - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 04:46:22 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60028
"High concept" means that the story is based on a simple, short concept. The Martian was way more high concept than Interstellar was, because the Martian is "a guy gets left behind on Mars and has to survive until rescue". But if you have to describe Interstellar you start with a plague that kills crops, and end with 4th dimensional future humans who communicate through love.

I came into Interstellar expecting a straight time dilation plot. I was extremely disappointed. Great visuals, but man, the movie underneath it just wasn't worth it for me.
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Vekma - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 21:11:15 EST ID:gryAHHw3 No.60039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60032
I feel like at some stage of the writing Interstellar had that before it just decided to sprawl all over the place.
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James Moriarty - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 02:27:27 EST ID:90oFOcqs No.60041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60032
I actually liked the "love as a force" motif cuz I saw the film after reading the Hyperion Cantos and that's a huge plot point in the latter two novels.

I was accepting of it in that context. I'd recommend that series to any sci fi fan tho. It has what is probably the most realistic, thought-out portrayal of AI I've read.
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Quark - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 02:48:40 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60039
Yeah, there's a few parts where it looks like it should have been a major point in the movie. But at most, it's used as a metaphor for two people being apart. Well, The Forever War called...

>>60041
With Hyperion it doesn't stand on its own, though. And it's part of a greater Christian context. With Interstellar, people kept saying how it blew their minds... and then it doesn't. In fact, at times it's a very dumb movie.
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Icheb - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 06:26:38 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I truly enjoyed Interstellar. That being said, I've seen it only once. But the fact that it had a big budget, and explored some hard scientific/sci fi themes was great. I wish it hadn't focused on the dumb bookshelf and time travel shit as much, but I still thought it was pretty cool. But it would have been better if it didn't try to go all 'Space Oddyssey but with a real meaning' and just stayed more concrete.
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Lt. Chu'lak - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 02:26:29 EST ID:Rjwhi0U8 No.60096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60083
My initial impression of Interstellar was good but when I watched it again something seemed off. I didn't really try very hard to analyze what mechanisms were bothering me, but it seemed to rely a lot on emotional manipulation and without the blaring soundtrack, I doubt it would've elicited the reactions that it did. It appeared to use the plot as a tool to get you to feel a certain way, rather than the plot being something with its own intrinsic value. The actual events of the film seemed nonsensical and disjointed, and to veer off into different directions at its convenience.

I still liked it but if I watch it again I'd probably take a more critical approach.
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Guinan - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 03:39:21 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60096
>Interstellar
>implying it had a plot

top par
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Subcommander Velal - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:43:03 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.60460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Interstellar and hard-scifi? Please...
The time dilation is a plot gimmick and actually not relevant to the story, plus you can basically scrap the whole thing if you think about the ending.

Watch The Expanse when you want a modern space opera, they actually have inertia play a role in the story and it's world-building density is high enough that it can actually be considered to be in the same genre as Trek.
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Guinan - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 01:40:13 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60460
Ok I'm sold. I'm going to watch the expanse.
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James T Kirk - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 03:26:31 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.60477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60470

Season 1 is kind of corny, but charming in that "B-Grade Sci-Fi" way

Season 2 is balls out, unadulterated awesome

And yes, the Worldbuilding is Strong with this show

Amos the Best
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Guinan - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 03:41:47 EST ID:0ps39mNs No.60479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60477
Bro I just watched the Babylon 5 spin-off crusade.. it can't possibly be cheesier than that lol
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Persis - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:54:16 EST ID:3tDF89b4 No.60484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60479
I fucking love Gary Cole in the leather jacket as captain. It's so unlike Star Trek. Also the Techno-mage. I don't remember shit else about Crusade lol.
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Guinan - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 16:35:50 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60484
You pretty much listed the only good parts, lol.. but yeah the captain and the technomage definitely stood out
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Major Rakal - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 18:57:12 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60470
You're gonna love it. And after you watch The Expanse you HAVE to read the books. They're amazing. And I won't say what it is, but there's an element to the story that is really fucking awesome that isn't the show but is in the books.
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Guinan - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 01:26:09 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60530 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60477
Just finished season one and that shit was GREAT
Definitely looking forward to season two

>>60489
I think that I might have to do that.. the details worked into the show in the setting and the background just make me think that the books have got to be pretty impressive
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Biddle Coleridge - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 14:55:33 EST ID:4xP6Y5mY No.60538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60530
Bruh, The Expanse, TV show and books, is like the best new Sci fi to come out in a decade
Glad you're on the wagon now
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M'ret - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:41:24 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Apparently this premieres on 9/10.

I am really excited and I am going to declare it a "star trek show" for the sake of the board and discussion.
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Quark - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:33:40 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.60773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60772
nice. I had no clue it was so soon. I hope i can find some platform to watch it on because I'm more excited about this than the startreks.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 23:49:15 EST ID:TJt/VdSR No.60821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60772
I mean this board is for Star Trek and Star Trek-like media after all. I'm looking forward to watching it.

>>60773
It'll be up on Hulu and Fox Now within a day of its premiere and on torrents even earlier.
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Admiral Cartwright - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 21:08:12 EST ID:8AkZ6sPJ No.60871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I only tuned in halfway through but I thought it was ok. Lotta good callbacks to trek, especially in the way they framed the establishing shots, with the matte painting looking background. Nice to see Cassidy Yates as well as Bashir's dad too. The combat scene was kinda stupid, but it's also supposed to be a comedy so I ain't gonna knock it too hard for that.
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Subcommander T'Rul - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:23:20 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's up on the cytube 1701 channel if you want to watch it.

>>60871

I have no idea what this show is. Its like they took a TNG fan script and had SM tag jokes onto it.

It's a straight up recreation of season 1 TNG. Worf is there at tactical, awkward black guy is at the conn, Butch chick is head of security, there's a fucking robot doing season 1 Data schtick. The music sounds straight out of TMP (like the theme is literally a rework of the TMP/TNG theme).

But its not a parody. All those characters, minus the bits that stick out like Family Guy gags, are played straight.

So you end up with a show thats not a parody, but not unique enough to be "New Trek", Not quite fun enough to be a comedy, but not serious enough to be good sci fi (The sci-fi element to this episode was a complete after thought. It was just a prop for space ships to fight over). It was just ... eh.

Seth McFarlane could get his head out of his ass and let this show find its identity, but I don't have high hopes.
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Lonzo - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 01:03:23 EST ID:dso9pn2h No.60875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm so glad it was as terrible as I had anticipated.
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Jennifer Sisko - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 05:35:01 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It wasn't bad. It had its moments. Tbh it felt like a half decent episode of ENT maybe. Which is about what my expectations were.

It was like Star Trek for plebs which is much better than the bastardized Star Trek we're about to get from NBC most likely.
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Valkris - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 08:59:01 EST ID:4Xxn54eG No.60879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I kind of liked it, although probably because I'm desperate for any new content resembling star trek. The jokes were hit and miss.
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Dexter Remmick - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:53:41 EST ID:rUoCQP0r No.60884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59221
Rips of the first episode are out.
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Commander Tomalak - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:31:05 EST ID:rUoCQP0r No.60889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60879
Seth can write comedy but he can't direct it for shit.

Is it just me or do the huge, empty rooms and hallways of the ship remind me of Star Trek Online and its indoor stadium approach to designing everything?
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:25:35 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60889
Not shocking, given all his direction work before this was on animated shows, a completely different beast.
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Furel - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:09:23 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59221
It's kind of like a fan show. But that's exactly what it is. I enjoyed it for what it was. It hit the right Trek beats often enough, and McFarlane's signature toilet humour was subdued enough. I'm pleasantly surprised by the fact that a lot of the show is character-driven. I'm especially enjoying the pilots, who both seem like Tom Paris done better.

It's mostly harmless jokes about Trek contrivances. I can deal. Also, the superstrength girl is cute.
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Herbert Rossoff - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:54:30 EST ID:Wqg7ST5a No.60905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60899
he didn't direct Ted and 1 Million Ways to Die in the West?
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Sphere Builder - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:51:18 EST ID:rUoCQP0r No.60906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60905
Not in the Kelvin timeline, he didn't.
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Katogh - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:45:44 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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loved it. very strong blend of TMP and Galaxy Quest.
they did the shuttle crash scene better than the shuttle crash scene.
curious to see how the rest of the season shapes up in tone.
totally love borax or whatever his name is.
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The Traveler - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:41:22 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Honestly, kinda loved it
Few jokes were lame as shit i.e. the banana thing with the time machine "does it only work on bananas hururururur" but overall, not bad. I mean we only got one fucking episode to judge this on so I ant gunna be too judgemental but you get a solid B+ mcfarlane, you might be handsome and rich and successful but damnit I respect your effort to get this made
pic related, my forbidden love for a show made by a talented singer and dancer who also happens to make Family Guy
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Michael Sullivan - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:52:14 EST ID:CkKjKvSM No.60919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60905
Ted is literally just a really decent Family Guy two-parter reworked into a feature film.

By film standards that's pretty shit, but not as shit as the actual shit film standards we have now thanks to the bar being crushed by the gravitational pull of thousands of layers of sequels and reboots beneath it.
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Seskal - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:37:47 EST ID:rUoCQP0r No.60921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60916
>Few jokes were lame as shit i.e. the banana thing with the time machine "does it only work on bananas hururururur"

I dug that one, even I'd already seen it in the trailer. I do think it would have worked better if Seth and what's her face had been nudging each other a bit while they roasted the guy, instead of playing it straight and dry.
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Groundskeeper Boothby - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 07:08:43 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.60925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just watched it.

It does actually feel a hell of a lot like a Star Trek show. The lighting, pacing, and music all have that Star Trek feel. Hell it even has the ship hum in the background. I swear it almost has that Trek magic. It's just a shame that the really low brow jokes have to keep reminding me that this isn't Star Trek.

I'm gonna give it a few more episodes to see if it grows on me but overall I'm pretty lukewarm.
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Thy'lek Shran - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:45:54 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.60930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60919

dont forget about the capeshit effect
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Legate Turrel - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 15:15:57 EST ID:52qIw6x9 No.60931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Movies are bad now.
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Krem - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:02:52 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
my thoughts after a week:
>roddenberry had a dream about a united humanity
>discotrash seems to have abandoned the dream in favor of easy drama
>the orville presents the dream, with dick jokes

I give the show a C+ or B but I WANT IT TO SUCCEED because I believe in the dream.

As propaganda, a show that informs about lifestyles needs to be WATCHED to be effective. Orville *can* slow troll rednecks into believing the universe is giant, immeasurable. Discotrash will preach to a specific choir, for specific dollars, on a specific service. Useless. Impotent. Masturbatory.
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Admiral Chekote - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:59:17 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm looking forward to tomorrow's episode.
A lot of the exposition with all its crappy jokes turned me off, but I get the feeling the show is gonna heat up and really start to feel like trek.
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Lwaxana Troi - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 22:47:59 EST ID:l43Ws0Pm No.60971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Starting the second episode now, but it starts off with that trademarked MacFarlane fratbro appeal-to-the-LCD overtly glib humor and I already want to turn it off. Worse yet, Palicki is the worst actor in the cast despite being one of the only actual actors.

Another week and I'll have discotrash to complain about instead of this.
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Species 8472 - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:11:16 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Holy shit that new episode was pretty fucking good imo
I like the Lieutenant elf ears arc about being a good leader, honestly felt like a solid TNG episode 9/10 Seth McFarlane
I really wanted to hate this show when it first came because I thought it'd just be family guy: the next generation but goddamnit McFarlane you had to go and make an interesting show so far
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Karyn Archer - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 00:22:43 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I enjoyed this episode. It was the classic trek episode archetype that felt a lot like tng and was well executed by MacFarlane and the crew.. I liked the chance to get to know some more of the bridge crew better. And the fact that the supporting actors aren't very good actors I think actually adds to this. Because even though this is big budget, it IS a fan production, and it feels a lot like that considering that some of the actors kinda suck lol. It just works.
Also, I love that they made a weed edible in the replicator. Who knows how many times the idea of that has crossed the minds of the people on this board.
And the reality tv joke was pretty funny.
I was hoping the show would set itself up, then be more substance and less poop jokes, and that's the way it seems to be now.

I give the episode a solid A.
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Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:55:10 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.60974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I really enjoyed both episodes and they felt a lot like Trek that wasn't really bound by being Trek. Some of the jokes aren't great but there aren't a ton of them and I mostly take it as being a nervous, unfunny captain trying to use humor and failing rather than poor writing.

I think it was a bad decision to air the first two episodes on a Sunday right after Sunday Night Football in the hopes people wouldn't change then channel and then two episodes in switch to Thursday nights. I think it may end up hurting them.
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Kor - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:56:40 EST ID:8l5zTy4P No.60975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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just finished second episode. I liked that in the future people still know who Kermit the frog is. not to mention the ton of other pop culture references. I was expecting the weed brownie to come back up as a plot device later on but it didn't. the egg hatching results are intriguing and I wonder where it will take the show.
I said before that I feel like the Orville can contain lessons or ideas that discotrash may also have, but the difference is the audience that is being targeted.
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Kor - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:49:22 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60974
time slot bullshit?
on a Fox scifi series?
UNPOSSIBLE
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Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 03:48:28 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.60977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60975
Apparently, as was kind of hinted at the end of the last episode, ep. 3 is going to involve sexual reassignment surgery and possibly trans "issues" and they are already taking a lot of heat for it from ultra-progressives particularly because Seth is a white male.

>"The way this episode plays out makes it one of the most transparent and least necessary takes on the vast complexities of gender," Framke writes. "The episode, written by MacFarlane, clearly thinks it’s shedding light and nuance on a fraught topic; it's unclear if MacFarlane, a straight cis white guy, consulted anyone other than himself on said topic. But I would be shocked to discover that was the case, since the episode just ends up reciting bullet points too simplistic even for the transgender Wikipedia entry, and letting characters exchange the same basic arguments in scene after excruciating scene."

While the info itself seems to be true take that all with a grain of salt because the info I read on it was from people who were bashing Orville from the beginning. I also wouldn't recommend looking this up until after Thursday's episode airs because there are some pretty heavy plot spoilers that was also said (with no warning) and I wish I hadn't seen them. They pretty much spoiled the whole episode for the sake of a SJW rant and some MacFarlane bashing.
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Kor - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 08:11:16 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60977
lol let them cry those dipshits complain about everything unless you buy indulgences from them
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Tokath - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:38:57 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60977
>discotrash tries to talk about equality
>fucking no one is going to watch it

>orville tries to talk about equality
>fox network after football or something ffs

That being said I am secretly hoping that the Orville and Discotrash are secretly the same show and the Orville is the mirror timeline of Discotrash. Why not.
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Greer - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:01:02 EST ID:8fnok9bf No.60982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60977
Seth doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to Trans issues
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Wesley Crusher - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:02:53 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60977
Lol Jesus
LGBTQ people get upset over fucking everything
Let em cry about it
>muh Orville
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M'Pella - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:44:34 EST ID:4aCvVJgH No.60984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60983
with the amount of hormones they pump into themselves that they are just not genetically able to handle, are you really that surprised?
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Ambassador Thoris - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:01:07 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60977
Sometimes I wonder if those people would also cry about TNG and DS9 if they came out today. Jadzia is a very obvious trans analogue, and there would certainly be people complaining that it's "coding", and not showing enough trans issues. In fact, I've seen plenty of virtue signallers complain that there aren't enough women in TNG and that TOS was racist because Uhura isn't higher up the command tree.

There are people in this world who have already decided what they think about everything. It's the old addage: To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I'll just wait for the episode.
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Guinan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:39:38 EST ID:jL2Njis4 No.61007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Guinan here, I was only able to watch episode two but I thought it was pretty legit. Despite its parody-ness, it does give a good trek vibe, with a side of goofy mild retardation, then again I missed episode one and might not be able to see three until much later due to subspace interference
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Lupaza - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:39:22 EST ID:cpE3Ti+h No.61010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60982
>Seth doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to Trans issues

What are you talking about? He clocked Bruce Jenner like 12 years early.
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:09:00 EST ID:e07cQPXj No.61017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59221
Space Kstew is growing on me quickly. I hope her acting gets better.
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:23:14 EST ID:e07cQPXj No.61019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60990
>Sometimes I wonder if those people would also cry about TNG and DS9 if they came out today.

Absolutely they would. The worst of the heavy lifting for the LGBTQI community is mostly over. If you're an idiot in the 2010s looking for a cause, the easiest bandwagon to hop on is the one marked Nothing Is Good Enough For Me. BLM abandoned a legitimate issue to hop on it and now they're tearing into their allies and shredding their own reputation with their enthusiastic insanity. They struggle for relevancy by shitting where everyone eats.

The key to the writing in past Treks was allegory. The current Trek is hung up on analogues and equivalents. Trills are *like* transsexuals. Klingons *are* Trump supporters. Subtlety and subtext are out the airlock. Every character, every faction and every conversation will be signposting. Or shitposting. Either fits.
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Dr. Reyga - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:23:25 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61017
I feel like the bright setting and the comedy nature of the show covers the actors' skill to some degree. McFarlane's writing basically boils down to everyone goofing off a lot, so when there's bad delivery or awkward acting, my mind tends to ascribe it to the character.
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Azan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:25:56 EST ID:cpE3Ti+h No.61021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>61017
It took me 5 minutes of staring at my computer to remember who Kstew is. Mostly because this is exactly what her face looks like.
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Azan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:49:12 EST ID:cpE3Ti+h No.61022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Being a girl isn't a condition
>Having a vagina doesn't give you a lisp

>I mean depending on how you use it.
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Azan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:07:23 EST ID:cpE3Ti+h No.61023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The pilot sucks but I really love this shit now.

By the third episode they're playing it more straight and yet the jokes are funnier. It's really shaping up.
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Kono - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:42:42 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61023
That is good to hear. I've decided to forgo watching tonight's episode until Sunday since its the only day off I get, well its really a half day but still, and Disco premiers. I intend to get properly loaded, watch them back to back, and see which feels more like Trek. I have a feeling which its going to be but I'm going to try my best to give Disco a fair shake.

I have to say I have been really enjoying Orville. Its not perfect but its imperfections feel like they are supposed to be there and that is kind of its charm. Some of the jokes fall flat but as I mentioned previously it kind of works that way. Having a unsure captain trying to hide his insecurities with jokes that don't seem to work out. It to fit with the image I have of Macfarlane as a captain. Its not everything I'd want out of new trek but its good enough. I just hope all the negative press it gets doesn't kill it. A lot of people seem to pan it because of its comedy but its not a comedy show. Its not in a 30 minute format for a reason. I think it has a lot of potential and am more excited for the third episode of it than I have for the first episode of DIS.

While I haven't been exactly sober when watching I can't help but get excited when I cut a new episode on and really enjoyed the intro and score they started, and I assume have kept, with the second episode. It looks and sounds like an updated trek intro excluding ENT of course.
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Azan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:45:14 EST ID:cpE3Ti+h No.61025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61024
That's the thing, they play it super straight, and because of that the occasional jokes they do either land well or don't matter.
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Dr. Reyga - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 04:49:39 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61024
I'd describe it as Star Trek Light. It does the same sort of themes, but it's not as in depth and serious.

The thing is, I think this probably appeals to the "new audience" more than the NuTraks. I'm watching it with a bunch of people who don't watch Trek, but they watch American Dad religiously. So all I had to say was "have you guys heard of the new Seth McFarlane show?" and now they're watching Trek Light. And it's not such a big step from The Orville to episodes like Hollow Pursuits or The Magnificent Ferengi.
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Guinan - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 08:54:57 EST ID:8l5zTy4P No.61031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61030

this is the thing I keep saying about effective propaganda.

>sow progressive concepts into popular shows

the show has to be popular for this to work. otherwise you have mass effect II.
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Guinan - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:10:21 EST ID:8l5zTy4P No.61032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61031

woah accidentally Guinan posting. forgive me based bartender it was a random assignment. nb.
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Guinan - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:55:31 EST ID:/Y/Qq+Zc No.61042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61031
>>61032

LOL, this is why I don't use a tripcode because it's funnier this way
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 17:01:37 EST ID:e07cQPXj No.61044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just finished ep 3 and damn, things are getting interesting. The shows was marketed as a comedy, the pilot was jokey end-to-end but the last two eps are shifting into TNG mode with occasional dick jokes. And I'm am digging the split couple dynamic - they can speak directly and intimately, point out each others quirks and touch each other and it doesn't meant they're about to jump into bed. That's a pretty deep relationship and they've planted right smack in the middle of the bridge. Nice one.

We've got an optimistic sci-fi drama with dick jokes. And it seems to be working. If this holds up, Discovery could be an utter flop and no one would care. I'm okay with tthat.
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Q - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 05:06:30 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.61048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The Orville

>"It's not as good as Star Trek, but at least it's not as bad as Star Trek."
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Guinan - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 18:25:38 EST ID:fQoAcSu4 No.61059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61048
This post right here is the most accurate post

thanks for the lul
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Leonard McCoy - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 05:56:04 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.61064 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60977

After watching it, they're right. The episode was bad, though I'm not sure it was even supposed to be about transgenderism. Commander Tits actually uses the word at one point, but the actual situation is more reminiscent of inter-sexed people being assigned genders at birth, an issue with a lot of nuance and surrounding controversy that Seth MacFarlane cleverly sidesteps entirely by not going into any depth on Marklar biology and history, extremely relevant issues when dealing with cultural/species relativism, and just boiling the Marklar position down to "women r dum" so that The Orville crew can be morally correct.

I get it's a comedy, but the drama was played straight. It was heavy handed and shallow, and it was bad sci-fi. I never thought I would appreciate "The Outcast", but here we are.

But on the plus side, we finally got a fucking Norm MacDonald scene. Make the blob the captain and let Family Guy scrub the holodeck.
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Lt. Chu'lak - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 06:30:27 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61064
Yeah I wasn't too into that. At the beginning of the episode when they started getting into the trans stuff I was just hoping they weren't gonna spend the whole episode on that, but they did.
I really liked the second episode and I thought the first one was alright. I hope they don't get so heavy handed too much in the rest of the season. It totally kills the vibe that I feel like they're trying to create when they do that and spend 45 minutes sidestepping making a point.
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Belongo - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 12:42:56 EST ID:8l5zTy4P No.61067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just watched episode 3. Still loving the show. It definitely is figuring itself out.
I REALLY liked how they did the space court drama trope but lost anyway. . The rudolph jokes were pretty great actually.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:30:16 EST ID:3Lf2aWvC No.61088 Report Quick Reply
>>60974
>I think it was a bad decision to air the first two episodes on a Sunday right after Sunday Night Football in the hopes people wouldn't change then channel and then two episodes in switch to Thursday nights. I think it may end up hurting them.

They did that with The Mick earlier this year actually. It didn't really hurt them that much given that it was one of Fox's highest rated new comedies since New Girl. The Orville, on the other hand, will have a harder time given Fox's track record with sci-fi shows not named The X-Files as >>60976 puts it.


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