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Star Trek Discovery Discussion by Erika Benteen - Sat, 27 May 2017 11:57:37 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Recounting Star Trek Discovery developments, rumours and wondering if the show is up shit's Creek without a phaser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I3y3_QmBsQ
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Mot - Sun, 28 May 2017 20:28:32 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Rainn Wilson to be in 9 episodes as Mudd

https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2017/05/28/rainn-wilson-9-episodes-star-trek-discovery/

>Obviously Harry Mudd is going to play a big role in Discovery and Rainn Wilson is going to be much more than a guest star.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Sun, 28 May 2017 20:39:54 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59482
hmmm
I knew that Mudd was gonna be in it but I had no clue it was gonna be for 9 episodes.
I bet they find him somewhere, he brings some silly shenanigans onto the ship, then they learn to get a long and he stays with them for a while until he pisses them off and they leave him on a random asteroid with a body suit with a week of oxygen.
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Mot - Sun, 28 May 2017 20:48:34 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59483

> silly shenanigans

> grimdark aesthetic
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KC Hunter - Sun, 28 May 2017 21:27:41 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59482
Why Rainn Wilson? They may have vaguely similar faces but they have totally different comedic techniques. About the only thing they have in common is that they both are comedic relief on their respective shows. One is neat, obsessive, nerdy, plotting, while the other is jolly, excessive, flamboyant.

Seriously, who gives an actual shit about Harry Mudd? Of all the shit that ever could have been blasted from the memory of canon, why is he the thing we are getting a revisit of?
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Guinan - Sun, 28 May 2017 23:12:27 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59488
Seriously. We had enough Mudd in the three episodes he's in.
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Dr. Yuris - Mon, 29 May 2017 00:58:07 EST ID:Wd8rz2aM No.59494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59488
I really don't see a problem with revisiting a minor character from TOS.
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Mot - Mon, 29 May 2017 01:09:11 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59494

>revisiting

I have no problem with a revisit, but 9 out of 15 is not a revisit is is moving in.
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Kessick - Mon, 29 May 2017 05:07:16 EST ID:m6vg30do No.59497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59488
I'm gonna guess Kurdistan, the JJverse comics had Mudd's pah'wraith worshipping half-bajoran daughter appear
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Nanpart Malor - Mon, 29 May 2017 06:29:29 EST ID:WVrpSik6 No.59498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59488
Because the entire show is based around TOS naval gazing. Just wait till an entire season is all about tribbles.
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Mot - Mon, 29 May 2017 11:00:04 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59498

>entire season

as if this will actually happen
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KC Hunter - Mon, 29 May 2017 14:38:06 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59498
>>an entire season is all about tribbles.
Lol I'd rather watch that than a season of Rainn Wilson doing a bad fake accent while molesting space-hookers and/or robot-space-hookers.
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Simon Tarses - Tue, 30 May 2017 06:51:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59485
That trailer didn't show a whole lot. I know the aesthetic seemed pretty dark and not campy at all, but they could have picked that whole trailer from one episode. Who knows.
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Kai Winn - Tue, 30 May 2017 12:37:14 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.59516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59511

>didn't show a whole lot

yes it did. it showed a grimdark aesthetic in low light. viral marketers please go.
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Weyoun 4 - Tue, 30 May 2017 12:48:17 EST ID:M7BsLhFB No.59517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59516
I hope for the love of god that it's actually night shift and not the entire aesthetic direction of the show.

I mean, I'd watch a Star Trek show about the third commander who has to take the bridge on all the night shifts.

I'm being so overly optimistic with that thought though. I'm pretty sure what they actually did was take the mirror universe dark lighting from TOS and make it standard.
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Admiral Chekote - Tue, 30 May 2017 21:05:26 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59516
you'd have to be really dumb to think they would bring Mudd in and have the tone grimdark. Obviously we're not seeing everything here.
>viral marketing
I apologize I'm not an immensely butthurt fanboy wearing rose colored glasses who gets really angry at tiny details and tries to view something objectively.
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Subcommander N'Vek - Tue, 30 May 2017 21:52:50 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59529

>le star trek fans are the problem meme

>le details don't matter in a complex fictional world nonsense

sure dude, whatever.
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Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Wed, 31 May 2017 02:35:15 EST ID:hxAGekRO No.59538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DISCOVERY EVERYWHERE
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Guinan - Wed, 31 May 2017 08:40:18 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59529
I'm gonna save a screenshot of this post to bully you with later..

But I hope you're right
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Harry Kim - Wed, 31 May 2017 23:57:14 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59535
>le
Nice meme.
But anyways, I already made a very concise argument about this, which all the people that are crying about the new trailer completely ignored because it was far too rational for them.

>>59356
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Guinan - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 08:21:37 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59552
Your arguments are a meme

Next you're gonna tell me the Enterprise song was awesome you just have to listen to it enough ti-ITS BEEN A LOOONG TIMR GETTIN FROM HERE TO THERE, ITS BEEN A LONG TIME BUT THEREES DICKS EVERYWHERE

Former Trekkie here, it's been hilarious watching Discovery crash and burn but in all seriousness we can't let CBS get it's hands on our subscription monies
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Major J Hayes - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 08:22:07 EST ID:Ik4uItQv No.59557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59552

>nice meme

yeah that was the point. "star trek fans are the problem" is a viral meme.
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Lt. Diana Giddings - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 09:13:39 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59557
To me it seems obvious we have entered an age of aggressive marketing that commits pre-emptive character assassination in order to deflect criticism. I've seen it a bunch of times, by now.

A lot of these reboots seem to me to be the big budget movie equivalent of slapping the Trek label on the Spock helmet. Except nobody called you an asshole for noticing that the Spock helmet was bullshit.
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Jaro Essa - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:54:49 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.59565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59559

star trek fans are the worst. just because we never saw the spock helmet on screen doesn't mean that there wasn't some star fleet out there wearing light up helmets that say the name spock.
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Jaro Essa - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:58:32 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.59566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>bumping with real content

It's a reboot.

https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2017/05/31/star-trek-discovery-reboot/
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Janice Rand - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:36:57 EST ID:hFMlYppe No.59567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59565
The Spock helmet is perfectly realistic, too. When going on away missions, being attacked by Klingons, etc. you need to secure your head. Identifying labels makes it easy for Kirk to differentiate, say, Spock and Rand, at a moment's notice, and in dark situations the Spock helmet has a built-in light.

Honestly, the budget was probably the only reason the Spock helmet didn't show up on screen.
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Captain Kargan - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 16:27:43 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the Star Trek Helmet was one of Gene's boldest visions of a brighter tomorrow
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Lupaza - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 18:35:05 EST ID:Wd8rz2aM No.59578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59566
>Source: "Is Star Trek: Discovery a reboot? Here's why we think Star Trek: Discovery could be considered a reboot."
>You: "It's a reboot.

Come on, now.
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Lt. Diana Giddings - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 19:37:52 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59578
If it walks like a duck etc. etc.

Everything about STD screams "reboot", right down to the aggresive "everyone who doesn't like it is a racist" marketing.
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Captain Kargan - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 01:36:44 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.59584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59579
It's called a "soft reboot." Where you don't really kill the old canon, but you are starting a new, different franchise that might work and act differently.

In many ways, Star Trek TNG is a soft reboot actually.
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Minuet - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 02:05:56 EST ID:K6pRQ8/j No.59585 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59584
It's a spin off just like DS9, Voy, and Ent. Meaning new show but same universe and continuity. Soft reboot is a retarded term.
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B'Elanna Torres - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 03:27:42 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59584
TNG isn't a reboot because the term "reboot" hadn't been invented by then. The way I see it, the reboot is a thoroughly modern concept. A lot of people try to put some mechanical sense to it by laying out rules that would make remakes, spinoffs, sequels and shit all reboots. But I think that's a little backwards. TNG is simply a sequel. A product made by the same people, in the same continuity, according to the same rules.

"Reboot" seems to be much more a marketing term, one dreamed up specifically to avoid tying oneself down to the expectations of a remake or sequel. And the red thread I see through most reboots is simple: They have the same name and the same concept as the original, but everything else is new. Battlestar Galactica is a good example, and one of the few that hasn't been outright terrible. Because most of the time, the concept of a "reboot" is used to have your cake and eat it, too. People will take an existing property with lots of brand recognition (in this BSG is also the exception) and then build their own product around it. A product that appeals to the lowest common denominator. As a producer, it's a neat trick. You don't need to actually cleave closely to the original and ensure some kind of quality. You just point to the name, and say that validates it all, and anyone who complains is just afraid of change.

JJTrek wasn't a reboot according to these definitions, either, thanks to that bit of mumbo-jumbo that explained the real continuity still existed. Offscreen. To never be seen again. But in the meta terms I just explained, in the change of tone, the fact that it wasn't made to be Star Trek, by people who had never watched Star Trek, with the intent of having the appeal of a popcorn movie and the Trek name at the same time, it's a reboot. And while a lot of people are saying that the STD trailer isn't enough to judge on, I'm saying it looks like every other reboot I've seen. A product that only pays lip service to the original, while being something completely different under the hood.

But the main thing is that something being a reboot isn't just defined by a set of rules about continuity. It's a producer writing himself a blank check to do whatever he wants with a property while also wanting to deflect criticism for not staying close to the original.
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Kang - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:17:53 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59556
My point exactly. You guys are so ridiculously attached that you go to this kind of an emotional reaction.

I'm sorry CBS hurt your feelings so bad, but I'm still gonna at least give it a chance. And don't pretend you're not even going to watch it because the trailer was bad. You know you're gonna watch it and if it's halfway decent you'll be sending all your money to CBS, so quit crying like a jilted bride.
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Kang - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:18:50 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59556
Also, that theme song has grown on some people. Me, not so much. But after hearing it a few times it's not as bad.
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Administrator V'Las - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:23:56 EST ID:gak16ms/ No.59591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59590
The theme song is so awful it's good. It's hilariously bad. I enjoy the shitness. But I wouldn't say "it's not as bad". It's worse.
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Weyoun 5 - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:46:27 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59589
Of course we're going to watch it. I was never not going to watch it. It's Star Trek, it will be Star Trek and remembered and referenced as such for all time, so I have to at least know what's in it to be able to discuss it intelligently.

But CBS can pry money for it from my cold dead hands. If VPNing to a reasonable part of the world and watching it through Netflix doesn't work, there are many other ways...
On the off chance it's good, maybe I will subscribe...
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Shakaar Edon - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:07:54 EST ID:O+vrOxhM No.59595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59589
Even if I did wanted to watch this, the only way to actually watch it without pirating is through paying for a streaming service that only has like one show that maybe worth paying for. Maybe if I had a fucking interest in watching live streams of NCIS: Big Brother Edition where we can see Gibbs, LL Cool J and Archer get in an orgy with Abby and Ziva BTW fuck you for having the audacity of killing her off-screen fucking bitch ass whores maybe, just maybe I would be more likely to give them money. So yeah, maybe CBS did hurt my feelings with their captialist marketing schemes, but is that so wrong in the long run? There's only so much NCIS reruns a man can take before he loses his sanity.
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Guinan - Sat, 03 Jun 2017 18:59:51 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59589
If I do decide to watch it, you can guarantee I won't be paying for it!

If it can survive a season or two and not be shittier than VOY/ENT then I might, *might* subscribe, maybe.. but the truth is no one gives a shit about another prequel, the fact they couldn't even give Michael Dorn a slightly decent offer to be in the show, the fact they have Mudd in 70% of the episodes, the fact that the preview shows nutrak aesthetic and just generally looks more like gloss than substance, the fact that they turned Klingons into WeWuzKangons, all of these things together make it extremely unlikely this will be anywhere near good.

Better to go in with the lowest of expectations and only be a little disappointed than to pretend like this abomination is going to be even halfway decent and have my dreams crushed.

As for CBS, I could care less about a dinosaur on the verge of extinction. They waited until now to try and start a streaming service? And they think they can charge you to watch commercials every five minutes? Fucking lel

Truth is I'd be surprised if you weren't being paid to post here. When the nuTrak movies came out, all these apologists came out of the fucking woodwork and tried to shame anyone who didn't like them into thinking they were good. Well, sorry, this show is almost certainly going to suck. It's been pushed back THREE TIMES.. if it had aired on its original date, the first season would already be done! Instead, they gave the only guy who seemed to care about Trek the boot and just finally released the first preview six fucking months after the show was slated to premier. This thing is way behind schedule and is already showing all the signs of being a producer's gangbang in a way that will make Voyager and Enterprise seem free from interference by comparison.

CBS didn't hurt my feelings, all signs point to this killing off the Star Trek franchise for good, or at least taking it from something smart that had a fanbase consistently for decades to something retarded and flashy appealing to normies who like the Big Bang Theory. I'm surprised Sheldon isn't a main character.

Every single sign points to disaster and you're just in denial about it.
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Kira Taban - Sat, 03 Jun 2017 19:38:16 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59595
They killed Ziva? I mean, I haven't watched that show in years, but I used to kind of like it. They brought in Ziva because the chick before her got killed. They made a big thing out of it and everything.

But really, it was like a CSI and JAG mashup. I enjoyed the shit out of JAG, though. Despite being all cheap TV drama stitched together with archive footage. JAG just seemed to have a bit more legs than NCIS by not being tied down to the whole CSI aspect.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 05 Jun 2017 15:20:12 EST ID:p7XMDbPh No.59625 Report Quick Reply
Tthe mere fact that it's on CBS tells you how much this show is gonna suck since the quality of their shows is for old people and casuals and it's no wonder The Big Bang Theory and NCIS are so popular. Bryan Fuller probably made the right decision to become showrunner for American Gods instead. With Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Video, HBO Now and all these streaming services, would people go way out of their way to subscribe just for one show on a mediocre television network? I'm sure that the show being exclusive to All Access is gonna move subscriptions especially for the die hard Trekkies.
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T'Les - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 11:52:08 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.59640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Here’s why the Klingons look different in Star Trek: Discovery

>a relic of some kind from the Klingon past, filled with older, different looking, Klingons.

>Of course it could just be that the showrunners fancied a new look.

http://www.gamesradar.com/heres-why-the-klingons-look-different-in-star-trek-discovery/
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Miles O'Brien - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 13:02:16 EST ID:wsQygrYZ No.59643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59640
>tentacle hands
wat
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Valkris - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 15:46:52 EST ID:fqorG4X+ No.59646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59604
I enjoy all of the CBS military/police propaganda shows.

I really love all the Enterprise References in NCIS New Orleans.
In the first two seasons, he has a T'Pol looking cold female agent AND a hillbilly best friend agent working under him. Also, in the first season, all the FWOOP cutaway bumpers have a saturation boost that makes everyone look like they have, wait for it, PINK SKIN.
The M.E. on the show is a funny negro woman named Loretta who is weird like Phlox, it's all very excellent.
They run around with their guns just like on Enterprise as well.

NCIS is based, to be honest.
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Valkris - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 15:49:07 EST ID:fqorG4X+ No.59647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59646
Now that I think of it-- minor spoiler here-- and I forget how the fuck to do spoilers--

The season finale that was just aired for season 3, he goes Full Archer and GOES WAY PAST THE LINE like in the Xindi Arc into season 4 of ENT.
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T'Les - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 16:46:48 EST ID:m6vg30do No.59649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59646
My personal favourite bit of NCIS is where they start blatantly taking the piss about how computers get used in other shows (how does anyone takes the two people on one keyboard to fight a hack as anything other than a deliberate pisstake?) while getting the proper terminology mostly right

second is that the Royal Navy gets weapons off of halo's UNSC
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Deanna Troi - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 22:24:07 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59652 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59640
really though why does he have tentacles for hands
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Benjamin Sisko - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:27:23 EST ID:fqorG4X+ No.59655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59652
You can thank the legion of fucking Lovecraft-fags out there.
They force their gay bullshit into everything, everywhere.
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Benjamin Sisko - Wed, 07 Jun 2017 04:33:18 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59655
;)
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Ghee P'Trell - Wed, 07 Jun 2017 04:56:42 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59652
Because he's just one of many brainstorm ideas from way back when. One they didn't go with for obvious reasons.
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Cyrano Jones - Wed, 07 Jun 2017 22:21:40 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery – Timeline and Continuity Issues

>it would seem like CBS is trying to capitalize on the look/feel of ‘Beyond’ as opposed to adhering to continuity.

>Was it 10 years before the Enterprise was launched? 10 years before Spock was on the Enterprise? Or 10 years before Kirk AND Spock were together? This is mind-boggling.

>You would have to be kind of blind not to see the similarities between the USS Franklin and Shenzhou... There are 102 years of separation between the Franklin and the Shenzhou.

http://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2017/05/19/star-trek-discovery-timeline-continuity-issues/
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Cyrano Jones - Wed, 07 Jun 2017 22:33:16 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>That New 'Star Trek Discovery' Trailer Looks....Bad

>Why would CBS trot out such a lousy trailer to promote the new series in the first place?

>The teaser looks both glossy and cheap. That could be a sly nod to the show's analog roots

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/05/19/that-new-star-trek-discovery-trailer-looks-bad/
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Cyrano Jones - Wed, 07 Jun 2017 22:39:15 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>In-Depth Breakdown of the STAR TREK: DISCOVERY Trailer

>Discovery is carrying over the window-as-viewscreen element from the Kelvin films

>Sarek is speaking some sort of holographic communications device similar to what the Defiant had in the latter part of DS9

>...though the tech is obviously cruder, with the image looking very Star Wars like.

>The viewscreen, looking very Kelvin-like.

> “You will never learn Vulcan. Your tongue is too human.” There’s obviously a connection between the two. Was she [Michael Burnham] raised on Vulcan?

http://www.treknews.net/2017/05/18/star-trek-discovery-trailer-breakdown/
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Willie Hawkins - Thu, 08 Jun 2017 04:17:02 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59670
Interesting stuff.
So what do you guys think of the ship from this angle?
Tbqh I don't think it looks bad. It reminds me a bit of the NX-01 with some similar design elements as a Klingon Bird of Prey. I think it looks pretty cool.
Also, the new transporter effect looks pretty cool. I'm not sure how I feel about the viewscreen, but I think I can live with that. The bridge looks alright. The aesthetics of it all are similar to the Kelvin stuff, but in a way that I think I can deal with.
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Cyrano Jones - Thu, 08 Jun 2017 09:39:05 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59671

even discounting the grimdark flaretrek filters, the whole look and feel is wrong.

they should have set the show post nemesis.
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Willie Hawkins - Thu, 08 Jun 2017 11:22:03 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59672
Yeah it's kinda like I was saying about the kelvin universe, the general idea of it is all wrong, but I think I can sit with it if they put some serious effort into making it Trek.
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Kai Opaka - Thu, 08 Jun 2017 12:00:29 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.59674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59670

>in addition to Sybok, Sarek also once raised a black human girl as a boy vulcan for some fucking reason

get me off this shuttle pod.
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Khan Noonien Singh - Thu, 08 Jun 2017 15:36:57 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59671
Idk. This new design looks better from a purely design standpoint than the original Discovery model did, but that one hew much closer to canon (since it was Fuller's baby at that point) in terms of technology. This design is lifted from the Franklin (that's what it was called right? whatever the crappy 100 year old ship was in Beyond.) I think I would rather have canonicity than coolness, but the old canon has been obliterated by this, who what can ya do?

I did like the new bridge layout. Very similar to the TOS movie bridge layout, and cut out some of the annoying things of the nutrak layout. Still, I will just never be alright with the viewscreen-as-a-window concept, or that this ship has more advanced technology than NCC-1701. Better transporter effects, I can accept, that's purely a special effect. But really, wouldn't they have to be fucking up pretty hard to have a *worse* looking transporter effect in 2017?
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Kotan Pa'Dar - Fri, 09 Jun 2017 12:58:01 EST ID:SlMc3SOc No.59682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Is Star Trek: Discovery Setting Its Fans Up for Disappointment?

>Like, how do they have all this amazing-looking stuff, as well as all these aliens and technology, and then ten years later they don't?


http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/star-trek-discovery-is-already-making-some-puzzling-decisions-9502271
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Kotan Pa'Dar - Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:01:22 EST ID:SlMc3SOc No.59683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery - Bryan Fuller's "footprints" remain

>Bryan Fuller is a unicorn, folks! You heard it here first!

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/star-trek-discovery/37600/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fullers-footprints-remain
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Iliana Ghemor - Fri, 09 Jun 2017 15:16:24 EST ID:fqorG4X+ No.59686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59669
I made this just for you, /1701/
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Li Nalas - Fri, 09 Jun 2017 15:46:58 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59686

I sense tripe.
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Guinan - Fri, 09 Jun 2017 15:54:15 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59686
TRIPED.com
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Nanpart Malor - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:07:58 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59683
It's kinda ironic how badly people wanted Fuller to be involved so badly, even though he was a bit of a dumbass, an asshole and just a general shit.
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Nanpart Malor - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:08:38 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59694
badly badly badly fuck i'm high
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Cmdr. Kelby - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:15:44 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Expect Plenty of Celebrity Cameos on Star Trek: Discovery

>“So many actors are fans. We literally got a list of them that were like, ‘Here are people who said they want to be on Star Trek’. It was awesome… To just be in an episode or come in or out.”

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-celebrity-cameos/
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Nanpart Malor - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:52:47 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59696
Yeah there will definitely be no shortage of talent. It just depends on who they want to pay up for.
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Cmdr. Kelby - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:21:09 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>8.4/10 in IMDB

I guess I don't get it.
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Michael Sullivan - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:16:58 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59698
The reviews are in!
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Guinan - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:49:27 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59698

What a fucking joke! Did they review based off of the trailer? C'mon nigga..
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Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:11:17 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59697
When they won't even lift a finger to bring someone like Dorn into the show, even bringing up the concept of cameos is insulting. Are they going to pay these people in peanuts? Or are they going to pay these other people who no one really cares about, while refusing to pay anything to people who Trek fans already care about and who are important to the franchise?
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Guinan - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:37:10 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59696
I just realized that article has a ridiculous typo at the end

>Deep Space One
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Guinan - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:37:11 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59696
I just realized that article has a ridiculous typo at the end

>Deep Space One
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Jaro Essa - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:44:17 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why Star Trek: Discovery's Delay Was A Good Thing

>“We postponed our schedule because the truth is we did not want to put out something that was subpar,

http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2017/06/10/star-trek-discovery-delay/
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Jaro Essa - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:45:12 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Producer On The Show Being ‘Written By A Roomful Of Fans’

>“I’m really excited for everybody to see Trek and I was extremely pleased with the reception that our trailer got. It was awesome, it was really cool.”

http://heroichollywood.com/star-trek-discovery-roomful-fans/
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Ensign Miral Paris - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:48:11 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59709
lol everyone in the tv biz is a 'fan' of star trek because it's such a huge name

Kurtzman is so full of shit
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Arik Soong - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:48:35 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59709
>it's being written by fans
>just believe that without us giving any concrete example of why these people are fans

Yeah, and JJ Abrams was a fan, too. Despite never having seen the show. I don't believe this crap.
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Greskrendtregk - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:26:54 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59711
What are you talking about fellow Treeky? I love all the Star Treks! My favorite is Deep Space One!
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Ensign Miral Paris - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:52:09 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59712
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DaiMon Tarr - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 03:49:44 EST ID:JOkySeNB No.59723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Leaked video of a ready room briefing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJw7IufBodE
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Miles O'Brien - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:07:57 EST ID:IPBgUz14 No.59725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59712
That made me more made than it should've.
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Miles O'Brien - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:08:27 EST ID:IPBgUz14 No.59726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59725
So mad that I can't spell.
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Dr. Denara Pel - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:42:32 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Producer On LGBT Representation On The Show, Says It’s ‘A Beautiful Thing’

>“I don’t feel that—going back to what you said about where television is at right now, it would be foolish of us to not only ignore it but not to take advantage of the fact that that’s how people are consuming stories and they’re hungrier for more complicated stories. What would have been a taboo subject 10, 15 years ago is now everywhere, and that’s a beautiful thing.”

http://heroichollywood.com/star-trek-discovery-lgbt-representation/
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Dr. Denara Pel - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:43:39 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Why Star Trek: Discovery Kept Being Delayed, According To The Producer

>We postponed our schedule because the truth is we did not want to put out something that was subpar, and as the vision expanded we started feeling like we weren't gonna be able to deliver the scope and the scale that was on the page.

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1669050/why-star-trek-discovery-kept-being-delayed-according-to-the-producer
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Tora Ziyal - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 02:57:45 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59727
That entire first sentence doesn't make any sense. That's what I find extremely confounding about all these bits of news. The people working on STD are trying their very best to not say anything at all. This entire intehange is basically:

"Will there be faggots and/or dykes?"
"yes"

And that's it. And gay people weren't exactly taboo 10, 15 years ago. 15 years ago we almost had the world's first gay PM, and a left wing activist assassinated him for being too right wing. If that's not acceptance, I don't know what is.
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Seamus - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:53:35 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59742

> The people working on STD are trying their very best to not say anything at all.

It reminds me intensely of what managers/administrators/politicians say to their workers/students/constituents.

Bullshit.
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Captain Goroth - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 09:32:57 EST ID:fzEG2LtA No.59744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59742
Dude, Roseanne's lesbian kiss and Ellen coming out were both going on in like 1995-6 in US as well.
And that's just mainstream network tv
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Captain Goroth - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 09:37:15 EST ID:fzEG2LtA No.59745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59744
Shit, looked it all up to back my shit up:
Ellen "Puppy Episode" was 1997
Roseanne "Don't Ask Don't Tell" was 1994!! NINETEEN NINETY FUCKING FOUR
and Will and fucking Grace was in 1998.

Gay shit is old shit at this point. Yawn yawn yawn
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Seamus - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 09:57:41 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59745

most college students were born after that episode of Roseanne.
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Enabran Tain - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:44:21 EST ID:Sp7wRHGQ No.59747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Wrath of KhanDirector Nicholas Meyer Says He's Working On a New Star Trek Project

>One thing that has nothing to do with Discovery is that I am working on another Star Trek project, but I can’t discuss that either

http://io9.gizmodo.com/wrath-of-khan-director-nicholas-meyer-says-hes-working-1796034412
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:46:01 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.59748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Is there a second new Star Trek TV series in the works?
And it has nothing to do with Discovery...

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/news/a830681/star-trek-tv-series-discovery-rumours/
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:48:05 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.59749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What are they doing. What the fuck are they doing.
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Tora Ziyal - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:34:50 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59744
Yeah, but the time-frame they gave aligned perfectly with the murder of Pim Fortuyn. And I'm telling you, he wasn't a stealth gay. The guy was flaming.

When you get down to it, acceptance of homosexuality is a complex issue. People had different attitudes in different times, even times that seem fabulously homophobic on paper. And that includes times your granddad was alive and adult to see. That's one issue that I find to be extremely condescending and intellectually dishonest about this way of approaching diversity. These people act like they're the first people to take this leap, but it's not black and white, and we know they're only doing it because it's the safe choice. Because when the safe choice was to keep the gays out, they were all doing that instead.
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Khan Noonien Singh - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:09:22 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59748
Well that's pretty cool. Nicholas Meyer, for what we could probably complain about about him, at least is familiar with the franchise. This is basically going to be better then Discovery by default (if it actually ever sees the light of day, which is dubious...)
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Admiral Owen Paris - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:48:13 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.59762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery Producer On Why Fans Should Look Forward To The Series

>It's safe to say that the trailer for Star Trek: Discovery was met with positive reception. But considering the storied history of the Star Trek franchise, as well as the mixed response to installments of the recent film reboots, some Trekkies might still need to be won over before Discovery premieres in the fall.

>was met with positive reception.

http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2017/06/14/star-trek-discovery-alex-kurtzman/
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Seska - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:29:41 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59762
Almost all big genre media outlets are 100% shills for the media franchises they talk about at this point. It's just entertainment, so unlike say political news, there's nothing at all stopping CBS from just paying that outlet to type out their story like that. Sites like that will also gush about how great the DC universe movies are, etc. Just think of it as a long winded ad and ignore (except for the actual relevant bits of information, like that Alex Kurtzman is a piece of shit.)
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Lt. JG Ayala - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:29:45 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59762
While it's a bit in bad taste to drag politics into this, this does echo the American elections. It could very well be that these people believe there was a positive reception because that's the only thing they read. After all, if a country fails to notice that half the country is supporting Trump, it's not unthinkable that they could miss the negative reception of the trailer.
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Seska - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:36:34 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59766
To try to segue back away from the edge of oblivion, I agree that almost everything about what is wrong about STD is because of the echo chamber the executives are in. However, they are much more directly responsible for it than say other echo chambers various people might be lost in currently, because it only exists because they fired every single person who tried to tell them otherwise. They dove head first and purposefully into the sea of yes-men.
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Kalita - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:42:37 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59762
I just wish it was fall already so I could find out what it's gonna be like.
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Sarah Sisko - Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:07:10 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.59776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery ‘Blurs the Line’ Between Film & TV

>Look, here’s the other thing that’s happening, and you know this to be true. The line between film and television is utterly blurred. Not just at a storytelling level, but visually now.

>What we’re doing on Star Trek right now, that’s not that different from what we’re doing in the movies. I think that’s what people expect when they pay for Netflix, or for HBO, or whatever they’re going to pay for.

>That actually makes, as a storyteller, it makes it, in the many ways, you’re not limited by oh, we could never really do that on television scope wise because now, take a look at Game of Thrones. That’s a movie.

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-movie-tv-comparison/
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Tallera - Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:22:36 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59776
>now, take a look at Game of Thrones. That’s a movie.
wat
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Admiral Maxwell Forrest - Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:50:22 EST ID:yGEZcSkd No.59780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59776

>That actually makes, as a storyteller, it makes it, in the many ways, you’re not limited by oh.

>That actually makes, as a storyteller, it makes it, in the many ways, you’re not limited by oh.
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:08:38 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59776
Kurtzman is 2 high
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Nava - Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:11:18 EST ID:Gdo+AsW2 No.59785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59779
What I got from that is that Discovery is going to be more serialized and less episodic. At least I hope that's what he was trying to say.
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:44:53 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59785
I mean I get what he's saying, it's just not very well put. He's saying that cinematically (if that's a word) tv shows are starting to go the way of feeling more movie like. All these big tv shows that have been massively successful lately have huge over-arcing storylines, such as GoT. They're starting to feel more like 10 hour long movies instead of 10 episodes that start over at the beginning of every episode. And I guess this huge shift is mostly due to streaming and binge watching, plus the arc heavy shows are being successful so others are following suit.
It's like when one of the Coen brothers was talking about the Fargo series. He says he sees it as a 10 hour long movie, not 10 episodes. And in the shows you have a better chance to get more in depth with the characters and be more nuanced.
I think it's a really good thing. Shows get stale, and I don't think people have the attention span these days when it comes to TV to watch a show as it gets stale and resets every week. Having a grand arc that you wanna know how it works out is big incentive to keep watching.
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Michael Sullivan - Fri, 16 Jun 2017 01:03:49 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59786
It demonstrates a very parochial view.
Basically every country other than America has done serialized storytelling with television since basically forever.

Pretending that pacing a series to balance both a long story and individual ones is some wondrous miracle of the cyberfuture just shows how sheltered from the rest of humanity these dipshits are.
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Keldar - Fri, 16 Jun 2017 04:32:33 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59789
What I'm seeing is that this balance between long and short stories is gone. All these shows are "10 hour movies", with no room for short stories in between. I mean, DS9 did episodic storytelling for its entire run, but they also did stand-alone episodes, or episodes that had a self-contained point, but kept the ongoing plot in account. It was a rather flexible show, in that regard.

It's rather their style that is new. This big, loud, Inception-sound kind of filmmaking where there's no room for anything beyond super-serious, back-stabbing, Game of Thronesy "epic" storytelling. You're no longer watching people on TV do things. Instead these are Greek gods. The thing they do might be exciting, dramatic, or touching. But they will never be relatable. I mean, when you look at characters from these shows, the Walter Whites and Ned Starks, can you imagine them out of their element? Say, having a conversation about a topic unrelated to the plot at large with another character over lunch? Personally, I find it hard, because these characters rarely do it. They don't do normal things. They save the world.

Star Trek has always been a character-driven show. This new style of making TV series is plot-driven. By making Star Trek plot-driven, they will discard the beating heart of the show's style. Because Star Trek's memorable moments aren't big space fights with dark spaceships and that BRAAAAAAAPPPPP sound, it's the characters having one discussion or monologue another. It's Picard's mic-dropping speeches, or Sisko saying "I can live with it". Star Trek has much more of theatre than of Hollywood.
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Spot - Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:19:30 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59794
Well said.
I know Kurtzman is an idiot, but I hope he's not dumb enough to sell out like the way you're talking about. Because if he really sees that as the way of TV now, and doesn't understand your objections, then he's a lot dumber than I thought.
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Broca - Sat, 17 Jun 2017 07:55:00 EST ID:TQmaE81i No.59804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59798

Kurtzman's writing buddy Orci's latest effort seems to be another disappointing shitshow. The Mummy is getting destroyed critically. Hollywood may be slowly realizing that these two are box office poison when they separated from directors like Bay and Abrams who can overwhelm their shitty writing with spectacular visuals.
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DaiMon Birta - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 00:26:59 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59804
Well Hollywood executives certainly would be quicker to accept this than realize that they themselves are the poison that's killing film.
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Prinadora - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:26:31 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Premiere date announced, Sept 24

http://www.startrek.com/article/star-trek-discovery-sets-premiere-date
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Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:50:35 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59832
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Prinadora - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 19:40:20 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59839
Where's that from?
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Ensign Miral Paris - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:12:29 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59840

from the comments of the link you shared.
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Former Gul Rusot - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:09:08 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.59843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59842
Oh, durp, I had the element blocked. That's just pathetic and sad.
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Ambassador Soval - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:00:36 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Star Trek: Discovery Actor Explains Her Character’s Vulcan Connection

>the first human to attend the Vulcan Learning Center as a child, and the Vulcan Science Academy as a young woman.

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-sonequa-martin-green-character-vulcans/
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Natima Lang - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:59:11 EST ID:Paa+aYhB No.59854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the trailer doesn't look as bad as people are making it out to be. It looks flashy, but trailers are cut to look flashy. The other complaining is about what amount to design details... that people are in a nerd rage about.

I'm neither optimistic or pessimistic about it. I'll give it a watch, but there isn't enough to really judge yet. The quality of the show probably won't matter as much as delivery platform. It's doomed to fail on that CBS streaming service.
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Ambassador Soval - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:05:49 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59854

>but there isn't enough to really judge yet.

shit costume design, shit alien design, shit ship design, shit lighting, shit writing, shit casting, shit episode arcing.

If this show is better that Star Trek V: The Final Frontier I will be very surprised. I am expecting a 15 episode long shuttle crash scene.
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Lt. George Primmin - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:15:29 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59854
>but there isn't enough to really judge yet

Fuck off. I'm so tired of this shitty argument. I bet you wouldn't be cautioning us to not be optimistic if we were raving and ranting about it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Trailers are there to be judged. That's their entire purpose. Or rather, we're supposed to get hyped by them, but before we can get hyped, we must judge them positively.

If they don't want us to talk about it, they should just not release any material. And make no mistake, they are in total control of what they show us. This isn't us jumping on a few unsubstantiated rumours. This is us responding to a carefully thought out marketing campaign. And by now I've articulated multiple times exactly why what I've seen thusfar worries me, so feel free to scroll back to any of those posts and respond to them with a little more than this incessant crying that we're not allowed to share our honest opinions simply because this show is shaping up to be a microwaved dog turd.

To reiterate my point: Get bent.
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Legate Damar - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:49:27 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.59858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only "actual" trailer looks like JJTrek, CGI lens flares and dutch angles. So on that regard alone it's shit.

That said it doesn't say anything about the story and/or acting so on that regard we don't actually know that it's going to be shit.
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Ensign Vorik - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:21:52 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59854
Yeah man pretty much what everyone else said. I would LOVE to be hyped for a new Trek show. When it was announced that there was going to be a new series (before we knew anything, like the fact that it's a prequel, the fact that it's a big steaming pile of shit, etc) I was hyped as fuck and I a lot of the other posters here were too.
That's the test of why this is so bad. Just by the fact that it had 'Star Trek' in the name I was willing to dump an absurd amount of good will into it just because of what that represents. When you're a big company iterating on a franchise, that's basically the key of your entire operation -- keeping the fans of your franchise happy. The fact that any and all possible goodwill has evaporated to the point that you seem to think we were always automatically going to hate it just because of how pissed off we are is an indictment of just how badly they fulfilled that key, not of us, and that's the whole fucking thing from CBS' angle. If they can't do that, then there's no point.
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:42:03 EST ID:nxWlt8UP No.59860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59858

Maybe my standards have just been lowered. I'm just happy there's no motorcycle jumps or Beastie Boys. My problem with jjtrek isn't the lens flare and costume design, it's that the writing treats trek as Die Hard on a space ship.

There's just not enough in the trailer to suggest that it's going to be action schlock. Given that they're trying probably trying to pull the most visually intriguing scenes from a full season, it looks pretty tame. I'm fully prepared to be disappointed, but I just don't find the trailer that condemning.
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Hikaru Sulu - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:11:57 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59860
I agree. I'll reserve judgement instead of getting triggered.
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Hikaru Sulu - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:19:02 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://youtu.be/jtmsI07AMsE

>This is nothing like any vessel I've ever seen before
OMFG they're changing the ship design
>explosions
Wow it's gonna be nothing but action
>That Costumed guy in the char
Who the fuck is that faggot? He looks fucking stupid
>Chief Medical Officer Crusher and her Brilliant Son
Okay that kid actually looks like he's pretty cool
>Telepath
Badass I bet she's gonna be the most important on the crew
>Worf
Lol look at that dudes fucking forehead

This show looks like it's gonna be garbage. Actually it doesn't look like it, it undoubtedly is gonna be garbage. I have gotten a very clear understanding of what this show will be like from this trailer.
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Ambassador Soval - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:31:36 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59863

I was an adult when TNG came out.

We were excited because Roddenberry was directly involved and everyone knew it.

The rest of your argument is too stupid to comment on.


nb.
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Albert Macklin - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:52:45 EST ID:NNu0rHAt No.59865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59863
CBS employee pls go
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Tiron - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 20:37:02 EST ID:nxWlt8UP No.59866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59864

I was a kid at the time, so this post makes me genuinely curious, were people upset by command uniforms being red or that there were kids and robots on the show now?

Was there any awareness of the drama going on back stage? This article makes it seem like Roddenberry almost doomed the production :
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-new-documentary-shows-how-gene-roddenberry-almost-kil-1721153875
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:37:05 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59866
Grognards will always get pissed off at tiny things. I've heard people legit say DS9 isn't "real Star Trek" because it's on a space station. The difference between unreasonable judgement and reasonable judgement, though, is that reasonable judgement considers the whole, while unreasonable judgement focuses on details.

That's the thing modern peddlers of shitty reboots hide behind. I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of the big reasons to do a reboot. You can just pretend all criticism is unreasonable and that "it's too early to judge" ad nauseum.
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Guinan - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:00:40 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59866
Watch that documentary instead of reading some guys opinion of it. Roddenberry was not perfect, but Star Trek wouldn't exist without him. He needed people to help tone him down or else we would have a lot more dudes in skirts making out.

Also the TNG preview actual gives me TNG feels. If nuTrakickSuckery is going to be like it's preview, it's gonna suck. 15 episode shuttle crash is what we'd get if we're lucky at this point, and since it's doomed to failure because CBS thinks people will pay to see their fucking ads with their awful shows.. it doesn't really matter. We might get 1-2 seasons but unless it gets on regular TV it's going to get cancelled
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:36:56 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59867
Literally minutes after making this post I saw a guy on a different board cite that as one of the reasons why DS9 is bad, according to him.

Just kill me.
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Biddle Coleridge - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:46:37 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics

>The term “white genocide” has been bandied about.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/22/star-trek-discovery-diversity/
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Biddle Coleridge - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:48:01 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>First Look At Jason Isaacs In ‘Star Trek: Discovery’

>“a steely Federation Starship Captain who’s considered a brilliant military tactician.”

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/22/first-look-jason-isaacs-star-trek-discovery/
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Biddle Coleridge - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:49:05 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Netflix's Star Trek Discovery: Will this be a return to form?

>The erratic performance of the Trek movies led to the so-called ‘Curse of Star Trek’,

>http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/netflix-star-trek-discovery-sonequa-martin-green-the-walking-dead-jason-isaacs-the-voyage-home-a7800381.html
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:29:50 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59868
>He needed people to help tone him down or else we would have a lot more dudes in skirts making out.

That's never been a problem of Trek, though. Roddenberry mostly needed help accepted good decisions and with being forced into a new way of thinking. Dude tried to make TNG seem too much like TOS. But there are a lot of strong opinions about him, but in the end he was simply a guy with a good vision and the means to make it happen. Those means included some very competent people working with him. He was neither the doucher he's painted out to be, nor the prophet. He was, in the end, just a man. Fallible, but wonderful.

>>59870
I loathe this modern marketing. Some people will crucify you even for pointing it out, but for years now there's been this habit of cherrypicking only the worst comments, and using them as a representation of all criticism. And that comment about Star Wars seems right on the money: It became a box office success. And that's about it. I've seen that movie, and it was ho-hum. Not bad. But very forgettable.

This shitty political marketing does as much to convince me that this product will not be Trek as much as the trailer does. Especially if these people actually believe it themselves. I can't accept that people who use such cheap tricks could ever make a complex show like Star Trek. i mean, where the fuck do you get off with saying that the devoted fans of the hippiest show on television, with diversity and representation out the wazoo, are suddenly a bunch of ranting, raving racists?

And fuck them for making me respect Takei less, too.

>>59871
this isn't even news. Great, some guy is the captain. Didn't see that one coming!

>>59872
The Independent looks like a cheap version of The Guardian. Yech. Also:

>This is not a first for the franchise, as season three of the largely derided Star Trek: Enterprise was also dedicated to the single Xindi story arc.

So the Dominion War never happened?

>It’s a shame that Assignment Earth was never picked up, as the episode possessed a kind of goofy charm and humour that Trek itself was not always capable of.

Literally what the fuck am I reading? Am I mistaken, or is Discovery being championed by a lot of people who never seem to have really watched or given two fucks either way about Trek?
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Kang - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:21:47 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm the guy that made the shitpost about the tng trailer
I never said there are no valid criticisms, there are plenty but most of them are at CBS for being pieces of shit. There are a few valid criticisms in the trailer, but the point is that trailer shows next to nothing. The only thing I really didn't like in the trailer is the sense death guy and the aesthetic kinda. But if I could handle Neelix, and the JJ Trek movies (considering they were actually above action picard tier) I can handle just about anything.
The key is lowering your standards.
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Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 20:39:10 EST ID:81guhVjf No.59878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59873
It's all "clever" advertising, articles written by someone who gets a check dangled i front of their fsce if they type up enough shit to get reactions from everyday Joe Shmoe who has seen a few episodes here and there but doesn't care one way or another
Pretty sure all these articles being posted are written by the studio to drum up attention and interest, and then posted here by studio shills/drones/reptilians to start a conversation, even a conversation about it probably sucking because even if we're talking shit about it, we're still thinking about STD and might check out a few episodes to just "see how bad it can be" and then two months later you're a Premium Platinum member of CBS All Access dressed head to toe in Discovery swag
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Corporal Chang - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:40:54 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59878
Lol you've got more faith in their marketing team than I do.
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Guinan - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:45:00 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59872
What a shitty article..it does say that there's a new trek movie being made.. I don't know how to feel about that either
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Natasha Yar - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:38:10 EST ID:y0XXMzWs No.59881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My expectations are low for this series, but hopefully some good content will come out every once in a while. Plus, going back to TNG the first season has almost always been generally regarded as the worst of each respective series.
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Lee - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:03:04 EST ID:NsYbbNZU No.59882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59875
Man that's just beautiful. I'm going to remember that message for all time. Pic related <----

>>59873
These guys are literally shills, they probably know nothing about Trek and get this info from memory alpha. It's the same kind of corporate mouthpiece media news outlet that will tell you the DC universe movies are great. Do - not - believe.
Also everyone of the old cast members has to give a sort of token endorsement of the new series or the lawyers come after them. Takei is really only defending the diverse history of the show, not endorsing DickSuckery. He still a G imho.
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Captain Kargan - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 07:29:01 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59875
>considering they were actually above action picard tier

They weren't. I don't get where this idea comes from. Sure, I understand some people have some valid criticism on Action Picard, but even the worst of the TNG movies were like a mediocre, long episode. And you can bitch and moan about Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis until you're blue in the face, but the core of Trek is still there. In fact, Generations was the first thing of Trek that I ever saw, and I was instantly hooked. Do you think the same would happen with someone who would watch and love Into Dorkness, and then starts watching real Trek? No, they'd be asking themselves where the explosions, lens flares, and Cumberbunds are.

It's like an uncanny valley effect. There's enough Trek in Action Picard that you focus on the things they get wrong, and there's so little Trek in JJTrek that you focus on what they got right. Which isn't a whole lot, really.

>>59882
It's still frustrating that they roll Takei out to confirm their racism narrative. Their entire campaign is just filthy, and identical to marketing campaigns such as with the new Ghostbusters. In fact, Star Wars was relatively benign compared to this, because they could at least bank on bringing some old characters back and by setting the entire thing in a chronologically satisfying manner. Truth be told, all my interest in Discovery waned the moment I heard "prequel". Prequels are almost universally shit, and tend to speak of a creative deficit.
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Corporal Chang - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:25:15 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59885
Well that's just like your opinion man.
A lot of people just ignore the existence of the TNG movies in general, and I think they're all utter garbage except for First Contact. Nemesis didn't feel like star trek at all. It felt like some awful b-movie garbage sci fi movie. Insurrection was just like "hey look here's all the guys from tng, in basically what is the worst hour and a half episode of tng ever, oh and please don't cringe at the troi/riker romance."
Generations was basically star trek with a crappy james bond villain knock off. There isn't much merit in any of those 3 movies and you're seeing them through nostalgia goggles. Or maybe you just like them, but you're ignoring the fact that they're pretty garbage.
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Gregory Quinn - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:38:42 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59886

nostalgia goggles.

MODS can we word filter this to something like "delta expanse" or "I have no idea what I am talking about please kill me"?

100% of Star Trek is viewed through "nostalgia goggles".

The term makes no sense and is used by idiots who can't articulate why they like or dislike certain star tracks.
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Pax - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:44:44 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59887
or maybe the TNG movies suck
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Weyoun 4 - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:06:57 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.59889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59888

The point is that it all sucks.

But it all is superior to this shit.
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Captain Kargan - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:28:59 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59886
>nostalgia goggles

Soooo... I had nostalgia goggles for something I hadn't even seen before? I just fucking told you that watching Generations got me into Trek. If it had been completely irredeemable, either one of two things would have happened: I would have hated it and never watched Trek in the first place, or I would have watched Trek and seen that it was nothing like the movie.

But no, no matter how garbage you think they are, the TNG movies still have the TNG characters and the style of writing associated with them. If you can't concede that simple point, I don't even know what you're trying to say. The only way you could legit claim that JJTrek are the better movies is if you look at it from this holistic perspective where you judge them on their own merit, without the expectations conjured by them being called Star Trek. They're slick, dumb sci-fi action movies.

But they're not Star Trek. They don't have the same characters. Yeah, they're called Kirk and Spock, but if you want a target for your nostalgia goggles argument, they are it, because they're actually nothing like the original characters, but rather an unsubtle pastiche of their most well-remembered traits in nerd culture. Kirk is impulsive! Spock is confounded by human emotions! They're all young, which means flippin' 18!

I'd rather watch Nemesis again than any of the JJTrek movies. Nemesis at the very least still has that very Trek-like nature/nurture point at its heart. JJTrek has lens flare and explosions. It's crappy popcorn schlock. Watching a random TNG movie might feel like watching a shitty episode, but watching JJTrek feels like a constant, drawn out insult.
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Stonn - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:51:40 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.59901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59887
I articulated quite clearly, but maybe you don't understand what nostalgia means.
You saw the movie when you were a kid, you didn't have the capacity to see that it's really silly. That's okay, it's a great movie if you don't really think about it. You're just being really obtuse and triggered by a term because some troll used it in the past.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 22:12:56 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59901

>saw the movie when you were a kid

I was an adult when the TNG movies came out.

>triggered

honestly please fuck off with this.
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Guinan - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 00:07:34 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59886
The more you watch the TNG movies, the more you realize that First Contact is absurdly overrated. It established that the Borg are not a force of nature but just pawns of some torso lady and that the Federation only came into existence because of a time paradox where Picard convinced Cochrane not to shoot the Vulcans and take all their shit. The mirror universe is the fucking real universe, according to that shitty movie; it subtly erases the entire hope of a better future and says that the future we see in star trek can only come about with direct intervention from that future itself. That's just sad. Insurrection and Generations are not great movies per session, but I'd consider them more Trek than First Contact, if only for it's implications and what it did to the Borg.

Then again I've watched them more than a few times each... I wish there was more trek or trek like media out there, but it looks like this DickSuckery isn't gonna be it.. let's all hope I'm wrong, let's all hope..
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Sarina Douglas - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 03:32:16 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59902
Oh, I was responding to the wrong person, sorry if that triggered you.

I meant to respond to this guy >>59890
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Thot Pran - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 05:17:46 EST ID:K6pRQ8/j No.59908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59907
unironically using the word triggered is triggering me.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:41:43 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Star Trek: Discovery to ditch a long frustrating Trek rule

>As part of Trek creator Gene Roddenberry’s utopian vision of the future (and one that Trek franchise executive producer Rick Berman carried on after Roddenberry’s death in 1991), writers on Trek shows were urged to avoid having Starfleet crew members in significant conflict with one another (unless a crew member is, say, possessed by an alien force), or from being shown in any seriously negative way.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/23/star-trek-discovery-rules/

FUCK THIS SHIT.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:43:27 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59909

I am legitimately fucking angry about this.
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Private W Woods - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:50:57 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59909
HAHAHAHA WHAT A PILE OF SHIT
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Admiral Hayes - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:09:55 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59901
>le triggered meme

This shit is why I know you're wrong. When your argument is that the other person is angry, you have no argument.

And no mate, you apparently don't understand what "nostalgia" means, as is clearly evidenced from you using the term incorrectly. You're using it as an argument that because I grew up with Trek, there could be no other reason for me to like it other than that it's a comfortable childhood memory. But if that's your point, you have to argue it. And that's why the "nostalgia goggles" argument is retarded: You use it precisely to avoid doing so.

You shitty posts are filled with buzzwords and insults because you can't actually make a point to save your life. And that's probably also why you prefer simpleminded Micheal Bay-esque garbage like JJTrek over the real deal. You'd take a slickly produced product that says nothing over something that tried to do something more than just entertain, but fails on some points.

Also, good job adressing my other points. Oh, right, you didn't. Because you can't.

Just get the fuck out of here.
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Admiral Hayes - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:21:28 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59909
Man, STD is really going for this obnoxious "not your daddy's Trek" angle, isn't it?

And again, it begs the question, why do they set it during TOS years when they are constantly banging on about how it will represent a departure from regular Trek? Well, of course know the answer: It's because Star Trek is only the brand being slapped onto an entirely unrelated product.
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Sarina Douglas - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:56:30 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59909
in TNG my favorite character was Barclay, because he was the only one that wasn't perfect. DS9 was great because it had complex story arcs instead of everyone just being perfect all the time.
The fact that everyone is perfectly stable to an absurd degree has always bugged me. Not to a huge degree, but a break from that in the way that Barclay created was nice. You seem upset over something extremely small. As usual.

>>59913
Well pardon me but I've grown tired of explaining myself just to have all the logical points ignored. This is the reason that the other two people in this thread that made the same point didn't stick around to argue with you guys.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:10:48 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59917

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise#Service

In 1974 we named our first space shuttle Enterprise.

We did this specifically because a single show inspired us the way no other show ever had. It presented a human future where we no longer fought over petty shit. We solved more complex problems.

ST is shaping up to be a petty show with petty scripts and petty characters. Pedantic. Self-righteous.

>You seem upset over something extremely small.

Changing the basic philosophical core of a piece of fiction is not small.

>As usual

You could be a little less of a cunt, to be frank.
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Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:19:29 EST ID:IUoOeniR No.59920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59917
I dunno about the only imperfect character. Troi was basically useless most of the time, both CMOs existed as a foil to Picard so they had to think with their heart a la McCoy, Geordi had the spergs and was shy, Worf was frequently a stupid angry n00b, Data pretended he was autistic while insulting everyone and quoting meaningless facts for his amusement. Riker and Picard were both nearly perfect though. Sometimes Riker was too impetuous and Picard was a bit proud and stuffy especially earlier on but yeah they nearly were.

I guess what you mean is that Barclay actually struggled to function as a adult being due to his problems. Which ironically is what makes him the most human character and if that's what you mean I agree. I mean even people who have their shit together have been too miserable to go to work once, or even just too hungover even though they knew they had work, and that's Barclay.

However at the same time while DS9 was good because they characters were flawed they were still better people than most of us. Sure they made mistakes but most of us would do a lot worse. And that's the delicate balance. Making them the best of humanity that has still advanced but still human. If you have a bunch of non Trekkie writers who think flareverse is the way to go, we're going to get petulant children who wouldn't cut it in modern earth fucking shit up because of arguements like "I didn't state the obvious, Captain" and "I'm upset because my dog is sick captain", "lets walk into this obvious trap without being ready" and shit like that rather than "I had the weight of the entire quadrant on my shoulders and I made a deal with the devil to save it" or "I'm young and idealistic and superhuman and I had the best intentions but I was too arrogant and need a slap to pull my shit together and at least save someone" or even "I didn't see that the admiral was being lured into a trap but at when you flip me over I have an ounce of cloaked warbirds taped to my back".
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Albert Macklin - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:31:27 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.59921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59917
>another two sentence response

This is my problem with you. You put feathers in your own cap about how you are supposedly clear and explain shit, but you don't. I have already explained, twice, why your accusation of "nostalgia goggles" is bullshit, and you say I ignored your points? No, mate. You're talking out of your ass, you walking marketing machine.

>This is the reason that the other two people in this thread that made the same point didn't stick around to argue with you guys.

No, it's because we explain ourselves with proper argumentation, and literally the only argument they have in return is "it's too early to judge" or something in a similar vein. You can't have a discussion when one side refuses to discuss. As you have been doing right from the start. In fact, I greatly suspect you're going to give Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn some bullshit two sentence answer, too.
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Youngblood - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:42:41 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59921
I've properly explained myself probably 5 times in this thread. Before you get all angry why don't you click my id and go back through this thread. Fucking take a chill pill.
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Guinan - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:43:45 EST ID:92IHvmE8 No.59924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59922
Sounds like youre getting nostalgia goggles for your own posts.. lel
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Keldar - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:46:18 EST ID:E1RGSIQh No.59925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
STD is from the other timeline.

The timeline where Hillary won. The timeline where Dear White People is a hit. The timeline where that MTV White People Resolutions was an OK video to publish. The timeline where progressives (me included) kept pushing the pendulum to the left without realizing how self righteous it was. STD makes perfect sense in tone and look in that timeline.

The Orville is from the Trump timeline. Beer and tits. Still a space show. Probably still have interpersonal conflict, but whatever.
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Thy'lek Shran - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 13:06:55 EST ID:IUoOeniR No.59926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59925
We're already pretty far from the Roddenberry timeline. I imagine everything after Clinton changed.

I mean where's the 90s eugenics wars. Will we still even have the Bell Riots? The pendulum swings pretty often regardless. Does this mean that white guilt will avert nuclear holocaust? Does this mean that opportunistic materialistic callousness also will?
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Lt. Joseph Carey - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:13:45 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.59928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59925


Jesus christ, post like these are fucking cancerous.
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:01:21 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery story details revealed by showrunners

>Burnham [has] spent a lot of time on Vulcan, but she’s human,” showrunner Aaron Harberts told Entertainment Weekly. “Sarek [Spock’s father, played by James Frain] plays an important role in her life, which has been completely planned until she makes a very difficult choice that sends her life on a very different path.

>And Burnham’s choice that we’re alluding to is most difficult choice you can make — it affects her, affects Starfleet, affects the Federation, it affects the entire universe.

>entire universe

this makes me believe the rumor that this show obliterates the original timeline in favor of a multiverse. They made "Parallels" the show.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-story-plot-showrunners-release-date-a7810166.html
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:03:11 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The Radical Plot of the New Star Trek Show Has Finally Been Revealed

>This has never been done in the history of the beloved franchise.

>As we already know, this series will also be the first to break one of creator Gene Roddenberry's cardinal rules about Star Trek, in that it's not supposed to be about conflict between members of Starfleet.

>delays the extra time has paid off with production values look way above network television and even HBO quality.

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/news/a55911/what-is-star-trek-discovery-about/
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:04:26 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>'Star Trek' fans anger at remake's diversity proves they don't understand 'Star Trek'

>On Twitter

>On Twitter

>On Twitter

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-star-trek-discovery-diversity-20170623-story.html
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:31:01 EST ID:qx9uIqgM No.59941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59939
oh hey I remember when this approach propelled that Ghostbusters remake to massive success

wait no it was a complete failure and killed the franchise again
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:45:22 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59941

at risk of a shitty conversation, it also reminds me of the "gamers are dead" media blitz.

all the major outlets want me to believe 1) only racists don't like STD and 2) massive changes to the basic plot of Star Trek is "good" and the Roddenberry rule was "restrictive".

But somehow if you want a show to stay true to itself, that makes you a bad fan.
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Seven of Nine - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:49:18 EST ID:SHq00Qum No.59943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59939
When will they figure out that forced diversity for the sake of checking off a box is bad and people can tell it's disingenuous pandering and don't like it because of that.

It's like with new gay Sulu. Nobody disliked it because he was gay, they disliked it because it was so obviously forced into the movie just so they could go "HEY LOOK HE'S GAY! LOOK EVERYBODY WE HAVE A GAY CHARACTER WHO'S GAY!"
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David Marcus - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:44:42 EST ID:iP0kMRIv No.59945 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/27/star-trek-discovery-jonathan-frakes/

>it's not supposed to be about conflict between members of Starfleet.
How about admiral bitchayev, or that episode where that captain replace picard when he goes undercover. Whatever.
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Captain Tel-Peh - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:10:12 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59945

You misunderstand. Nechayev and Jelico are both hard to work with but they are both good people doing what they think is best. Neither of them are racist, sexist, or hung up on daddy issues or something like that.

Someone said elsewhere in this thread that ST characters, at their worst, are still better than you and me. That is the point.

Don't mistake minor conflict (that is resolved through working together btw) with "drama". I am pretty sure they are making "drama".
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:23:19 EST ID:PoJIX+gO No.59947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59909

Fine with me. Why should we slavishly follow Roddenberry's original vision after 50 years? It was the vision that almost ruined TNG, for Pete's sake!
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Captain Tel-Peh - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:07:09 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59947

>Why should we slavishly follow Roddenberry's original vision

Because it is called Star Trek. If you want to make a different show, that's great, I might even like it. Call it something else.
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Lwaxana Troi - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:17:13 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59939
Twitter is so fake. I wish shitty news outlets would quit using twitter posts to write "articles"


http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/27/star-trek-discovery-jonathan-frakes/
>Jonathon Frakes joins Discovery as director
isn't it kinda late? Are they filming right now?
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Lwaxana Troi - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:33:34 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.59951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59950
Oh, apparently it's just one episode.
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Ba'el - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:59:23 EST ID:PU+0MICM No.59962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>On this streaming series, debuting on CBS All Access this September, our protagonists won't always be nice. Their behavior won't be worthy of emulation, and their conflicts will get out of control.
I don't want to beam on this planet anymore.

https://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2017/06/new-star-trek-series-will-abandon-gene-roddenberrys-cardinal-rule/
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Guinan - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:42:34 EST ID:zHG+MQ1n No.59964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59962
>Set phasers to shit, wide beam, splatter mode
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:50:45 EST ID:PoJIX+gO No.59969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59948

Then TNG isn't Star Trek, after season 2 or so. Because that's when Gene stopped having major input on the show.
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Groundskeeper Boothby - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:38:18 EST ID:2sleMdff No.59971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Remember how Picard had a great relationship with his family?

Some personal drama is fine. I don't want a bunch of super damaged characters like bsg or something though.

I'm curious how people would feel about a trek with damaged or mean humans that weren't federation, or had lost touch with the federation's ideals though? Like what if the Borg had taken Picard and the rest of TNG has been about Riker (and others) losing it, chasing the white whale and infighting the whole time?

I mean, I think it'd be ok to have a show that's a morality lesson on what happens when you turn your back on the ideals.
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Albert Macklin - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:48:50 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59969

>moving the goal posts this hard.

seriously it is like talking to an eight year old.
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Ranjen Solbor - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 21:45:19 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.59974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59973
fortunately goal posts have the line-of-sight needed for original warp drive design notes
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Guinan - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:36:59 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59971
>The Federation is gone!

Such an interesting idea.. they could even set it after Nemesis and satisfy all our desires.. after all the Borg are going to eventually send more than one cube against the Federation at a time, and when they do it'll be a shitshow, even with Janeway cheatcodes, even if the queen dying affected them somehow besides either removing one of several Queens or reverting the borg to a mass of wills, a real collective organism.. what it was originally.. and they adapt. The Borg will eventually fuck over the federation hard and we could have had a series where a band of renegade assholes came together to defeat the Borg using some trickery over the course of several seasons, and after all they go through together, they become more and more like the federation.. and then the rest of the series could be about rebuilding a new federation, one that spans the galaxy with transwarp, tying in Voyager races for any continuation or spin-off. You could put literally any and all characters from TNG era in this show, have cameos every fucking episode, minor characters and background actors returning, locations and themes could be pulled out of the attic while the entire alpha quadrant tries it's hardest to hold back the Borg, who by now have probably gotten tougher from having to fight Species 8472. Shit could have been epic as all fuck but instead we get prekirk circlejerk

But instead it looks like we'll get an angsty story about a foreign exchange student from Vulcan University after graduation.. which so far is the most promising part of this whole story, that Vulcan actually exists still. That's like the only thing giving me hope.
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Guinan - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:36:59 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59971
>The Federation is gone!

Such an interesting idea.. they could even set it after Nemesis and satisfy all our desires.. after all the Borg are going to eventually send more than one cube against the Federation at a time, and when they do it'll be a shitshow, even with Janeway cheatcodes, even if the queen dying affected them somehow besides either removing one of several Queens or reverting the borg to a mass of wills, a real collective organism.. what it was originally.. and they adapt. The Borg will eventually fuck over the federation hard and we could have had a series where a band of renegade assholes came together to defeat the Borg using some trickery over the course of several seasons, and after all they go through together, they become more and more like the federation.. and then the rest of the series could be about rebuilding a new federation, one that spans the galaxy with transwarp, tying in Voyager races for any continuation or spin-off. You could put literally any and all characters from TNG era in this show, have cameos every fucking episode, minor characters and background actors returning, locations and themes could be pulled out of the attic while the entire alpha quadrant tries it's hardest to hold back the Borg, who by now have probably gotten tougher from having to fight Species 8472. Shit could have been epic as all fuck but instead we get prekirk circlejerk

But instead it looks like we'll get an angsty story about a foreign exchange student from Vulcan University after graduation.. which so far is the most promising part of this whole story, that Vulcan actually exists still. That's like the only thing giving me hope.
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Guinan - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:38:23 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.59979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My El Aurian jutsu is to always doublepost somehow
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 00:28:14 EST ID:wxvIFlM0 No.59981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59979
One post is for now, one post waits 400 years in a cave in San Francisco to be re-attached to the thread later on.
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Spock - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:22:59 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.59986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59977
>that Vulcan actually exists still. That's like the only thing giving me hope.

Plot twist: it's a prequel to 2009 and actually they use a (this time) cgi version of Lonard Lemoy to "validate" it.
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Nurse Jabara - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 07:16:33 EST ID:PU+0MICM No.59994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59969

Ronald D. Moore has said very clearly in an interview with Rod Roddenberry that was very much in charge of the show through season 4. People who shit on Gene for the first two seasons should also be giving him credit for turning things around so successfully.
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Chulak - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 11:15:19 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.59995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>How Game of Thrones Inspired Star Trek: Discovery

>As Berg put it, “Game of Thrones changed television. They almost made it difficult to fall in love with people because you didn’t know if they were going to be taken away from you. That show’s had an influence on all TV dramas that have come after it.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/06/game-of-thrones-influence-star-trek-discovery
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Broca - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 14:50:47 EST ID:+uW1LDCI No.59996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59995
Who will sit the captain's char?
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DaiMon Nunk - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 17:07:30 EST ID:4gJE5YGs No.59997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59995
This is literally the last thing that should influence Star Trek.

ST is idealized future not reimagined past. A lot of elements are universal but also a lot of them are not.
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 17:08:18 EST ID:jjjSU3Q8 No.59998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59995
Someone needs to tell CBS PR that saying Game of Thrones over and over won't make it Game of Thrones, never mind that Star Trek and Game of Thrones couldn't have more distant tones.
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David Marcus - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 18:23:57 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.59999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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wasn't this shit supposed to be out like 7 months ago in january?
and on a paid subscription service only???
can we sue for trauma ?
I mean a new series sounds good, but why do they keep going back in time, what is with the current love of going back to show the "origins" like fuck that man its been too long. its been like 60 years since kirk, they cannot try to go back there and not fuck it all up.
voyager sucks ass because the characters are dumb as fuck, but at least it is still star trek, it continues and contributes (and sometimes breaking) to the star trek universe...but its still trek.
even the fucking mmo is more trek than this shit /rage
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Katherine Pulaski - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 20:52:32 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.60000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59998

You know what Game of Thrones has?

A lot of tits. Tons of tits. Pure unadulterated swinging tits. Giant, small, oblong, perfect....ALL SORTS OF TITS. Naked people actually in the act of coitus. Men felating other men.

I for one am THRILLED that CBS is going full gonzo porn on us, and we will finally get to see Riker actually fuck 1000 holololis in "Return of the Phantom Orion Slave Princess: Part XXXI."
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Katherine Pulaski - Sun, 02 Jul 2017 00:50:18 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.60002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Harry Mudd won’t be quite so outrageous

>the Harry Mudd we meet will be “a more grounded version” of the one we know from the original series episodes “Mudd’s Women” and “I, Mudd.” He’ll be younger of course, due to Discovery‘s time period, and if this is a calmer version of Mudd, we can expect fewer shenanigans from him, although he’s still a con man who operates outside of Starfleet.

http://trekmovie.com/2017/06/30/star-trek-discovery-promises-a-lot-of-klingons-and-game-of-thrones-type-death/
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Private W Woods - Sun, 02 Jul 2017 06:21:34 EST ID:etCWBeW9 No.60004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60000
You reckon they'll do another "It was all Fatriker on the holodeck" at the end of the run?
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Ulani Belor - Sun, 02 Jul 2017 06:31:59 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.60005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59999
>wasn't this shit supposed to be out like 7 months ago in january?
>and on a paid subscription service only???
>can we sue for trauma ?
Hey they tried, don't ever think company execs won't try to have you eating their shit out assholes instead of a plate.

>voyager sucks ass because the characters are dumb as fuck, but at least it is still star trek, it continues and contributes (and sometimes breaking) to the star trek universe...but its still trek.
Look at the time periods, DS9 and VOY were basically TNG spinoffs. This is why they are so similar.
You can't tell me that TOS & TAS don't feel entirely different to those, and the same goes for ENT.

This is why the whole "not really trek" thing is pointless, yeah we can talk about how they scrapped
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RomanticismVersusEnlightenment
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrystalSpiresAndTogas

and I agree, but you can also blame ror fellow consumers who aren't into that. (I do)
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Private W Woods - Sun, 02 Jul 2017 08:50:06 EST ID:etCWBeW9 No.60006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60005
I feel like there's still a few common threads in all those treks. Even ENT.

If you solve a problem with superior tech and violence it's always the worst solution. Diplomacy and cunning are better. In ENT humans basically Tom Hanks their way around the galaxy and in season 4 they are trusted enough that their diplomacy undoes the Romulans. In the later seasons they still generally use violence as a last resort. Even in ENT archer doesn't upgrade his ships weapons because he loves war, it's because the federation survives on "if you want peace prepare for war" and it's armed to the teeth for the rest of the continuity because it REALLY wants peace. I mean the federation won the dominion war right? But ever week was a new casualty list for sisko. It had very tragic real consequences.

Optimism about the future. It breaks down to varying degrees but humans are always trying and often succeeding at being much more than we are now. They're still humans but you know 2000 years ago we didn't expect most people to read or bathe. Again it varies from "federation ideals are perfect" to "the federation ideals aren't perfect but they're the best we can do" but they're always good.

The prime directive. It's not always stuck to but it's wrestled with and sometimes abandoned when there's a good reason. Rules exist to be broken but it's this defining ethical question and one that never goes away and will always be case by case.

Looking forward. ENT sucks at this a bit, but at least it is planted in a big enough space between "then" and "now" that it fills in some of the future. There was a lot of FEDERATION FORMS HERE that is now filled in adequately.

I'm not saying discovery will suck for sure, I've never said that. But if I had to bet, I'd put my money on it sucking and I'd be pretty confident I'd get it back. Plus hey if I lose at least we get good new trek.
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Katherine Pulaski - Sun, 02 Jul 2017 10:55:27 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.60007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60005

>This is why the whole "not really trek" thing is pointless,

No.

Star Trek starts with a dream of a better humanity.

Throw that out, and it is not star trek. It is Battlestar Galactica.
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Youngblood - Sun, 02 Jul 2017 13:47:13 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.60009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60006
shran was good in ent, some episodes were intriguing but still...its pretty bad. I just wish they wouldn't go back in time. keep going forward, theres a whole fucking universe out there for us to learn about, stop going back in time rehashing old shit. idk thats what i'm mad about, the back in time lol.
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T'Les - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 06:20:26 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60005
TOS & TAS? Yes, they are very different. They were made in a time when the corny Western was insanely popular and when colour television was still a new thing.

The TOS movies, though? Those are a lot closer to the tone of the later Treks. And they ought to be, because some of them were made at the same time. But it's with the same actors as the original, the same people making them. And that's something people gloss over with thing "change is natural" argument. Star Trek evolved over a period of time to turn into TNG, which then gave rise to its spinoffs.

What we're seeing with ENT, JJTrek, and STD is much different. An outspoken need to be "different". Changing things up for their own sake, rather than adapting over time. And worse, all changes are made in a way that's completely tone deaf to the original work. You can argue that TOS and TNG are two wildly different products, and you'd be right. But they're built on the same ground rules and concepts, which is basically what we mean when we say "Star Trek". When something like STD says "it's going to be like Game of Thrones", that doesn't bode well, because GoT is built on rules and concepts that couldn't be further from Star Trek if you tried. And I doubt they mean it in a superficial way, like "people like GoT, so we're going to do some kickass fight choreography with the Klingons" which would actually be... a good idea. But no, it's "GoT is essentially a big casino, but you play with character investment, and we want the same fear of impending doom in Trek, despite Trek never, ever having had that as a core concept".

So no, the whole "nor really Trek" thing is not pointless. It's correct. Refuting that there is a "real Trek" is pointless, because it plainly exists. Go to Netflix. There it is. You can see for yourself what defines the concept of Star Trek, and how the thing these producers say do not stroke with it. Saying that there were differences between one thing and another, and therefor differences automatically do not matter is a hyper-relativistic way of looking at things. By the same right a tv and a washing machine both display a bunch of moving colours, and are therefore the same thing.
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T'Les - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 06:40:52 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60002
Also, Christ, these comments. Are there a lot of paid shills on there? Or are people really this retarded? I've heard a few shitty arguments in favour of STD, but this shit takes the cake. This is one thing that irks me very much about these modern reboots: Some people get really fucking defensive about them, and basically demand you like them. No. I've only seen a scant few reboots that were actually good. Most of them were shit, and for the same reasons.

I'm not going to worship something simply because it has the name "Star Trek" on the tin. Everything I've seen about this show simply looks terrible, and fundamentally different from the product I know.
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Tiron - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 09:41:55 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.60014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60002

from the comments:

>Then why are they sticking Car Floor Mats on the walls of the transporter set?
Even the original series wasn’t that embarrassingly cheap & would have at least painted them lol. Sigh. This is all depressing.

pic related is pic related. max lol, but a sad max lol.
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Pax - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 16:22:00 EST ID:ZDY0orq1 No.60021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Star Trek: Discovery Finally Gives Officers Armored Uniforms

>It seems that Starfleet safety guidelines were somewhat stricter in the era prior to Captain Kirk’s original five-year mission, as evidenced by one of the promotional photos released for upcoming prequel Star Trek: Discovery.

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/07/05/star-trek-discovery-uniforms-armor/
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Yeggie - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 18:15:29 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60021
I mean, if it was just the regular uniform that suddenly has armor, I'd be pissed.
But I mean it makes sense. If you're going on an away mission, at least wear something that can mitigate phaser damage or something. I don't think this is really a big deal.
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Cmdr. Kelby - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 18:26:27 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60022

Starfleet assumes they will be able to solve problems without violence.

They only wear armor if they know they are going into hand to hand combat situations.

I agree it is nitpicky, but this is the nitpicky thread on the nitpicky board.
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Yeggie - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 19:03:07 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60024
I'm just saying that they have beamed into sketchy situations and lost redshirts countless times.
Yeah the philosophy, but it doesn't make sense considering that their glorious ethos don't work most of the time.
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Yeggie - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 19:39:27 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60025
Or I should say a lot of the time.
In TNG the idealism and diplomacy works out the majority of the time, but in pretty much all the other series things come down to aggression a lot of the time. I'm just saying it's pragmatic. Doesn't mean you have to go in firing, just protecting yourself.
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Eliminator Leck - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 20:49:21 EST ID:bzZ6XHGl No.60027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60024

It would be cool if it was worked into a plot where we learn why the federation doesn't use armor. If the militarized uniforms aggravated a conflict, and got discontinued because of a specific event, that would be interesting.

Not expecting anything like that, but it might be an interesting way to comment on police militarization.
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Gor - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 22:00:15 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60027

>militarized uniform

Star Fleet is not, and never was, and never will be a military organization. Defense doesn't count so don't try.
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Mestral - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 23:50:46 EST ID:taw/SJIa No.60030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60029

Militarized doesn't necessarily mean military. Breath through it mang.
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Admiral Chekote - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 04:42:03 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60021
>still pretending this takes place in the same timeline

This is a reboot. The one thing that pisses me off about Trek reboots more than anything else is this insulting insistence that it's all taking place in canon. You search for something on Memory Alpha, and you get JJTrek suggestion because "muh alternate timeline".

They're reboots. And STD is no different.
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Lt. JG Ayala - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 16:14:50 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60029
That's a matter of opinion.
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Gor - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 16:45:53 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60036

No it isn't.

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/54154/is-starfleet-a-military-or-civilian-organization#54168
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Captain Braxton - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 13:03:29 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60037
Semantics. Just because you're on a mission of peace doesn't mean you're not a military. The fact that they have to say that they're on a mission of peace proves that point. Because if they didn't tell everyone that they were on a peaceful mission, they would be confused for someone who is on a military mission considering all the massive guns they have.
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Morn - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 13:32:23 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.60047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60046

It's almost like you didn't read the link.
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Leonard McCoy - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 13:36:13 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>http://trekmovie.com/2017/07/07/cbs-all-access-president-star-trek-discovery-will-look-and-feel-different/

>we’re constantly looking for what will resonate with consumers. Sometimes that an existing property, and sometimes that’s something new. Shows that come with a history are still new. If you’ve seen the trailer for Star Trek: Discovery, you can see that Soniqua Martin-Green is a unique star and you see a show that’s going to look different and feel different than anything that came before.

http://trekmovie.com/2017/07/07/cbs-all-access-president-star-trek-discovery-will-look-and-feel-different/
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Captain Braxton - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:15:04 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60047
It's exactly like that.
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Youngblood - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 18:22:33 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery creator says the show's storyline will spark debate

>Star Trekiscovery may end up being a source of arguments between fans, says co-creator Alex Kurtzman. Kurtzman made the reveal in a recent interview withCNET, saying that he believes the series' first season storyline will "be a cause of much debate."

http://www.looper.com/73912/star-trek-discovery-storyline-debate/
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Youngblood - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 18:23:54 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Producer Really Makes 'Star Trek: Discovery' Sound Like a Reboot

>Astute fans will notice that Kurtzman says “a timeline,” but does not specify which timeline he means.

https://www.inverse.com/article/33892-star-trek-discovery-reboot-prime-canon-abrams-kurtzman
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Kang - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 18:44:44 EST ID:rGe2vLZs No.60054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60053
Quit forking off new timelines. It's lame.

Work within your chosen time period and show us interesting things about it. Make it all sorts of different if necessary, but certain things should just be respected or you could have picked literally any other time period and should have.
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Youngblood - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 19:57:21 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60052

the longer I look at this photo the more it seems like she is trying to not laugh
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Vedek Bareil - Sat, 08 Jul 2017 11:57:02 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60054
but that means they'd actually have to pay attention to that dumb Star Wars show or whatever the fuck this gig is about
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Sat, 08 Jul 2017 14:09:39 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery producers take lessons from Game of Thrones

>It’s rare for main characters to die on Star Trek show — no more than one main characters has died on any of the five shows that preceded Discovery.

>Either way, it sounds like you won’t want to get too attached to anyone on the CBS drama

https://winteriscoming.net/2017/07/08/what-star-trek-producers-learned-from-game-of-thrones-for-corey-david/
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Keiko O'Brien - Sat, 08 Jul 2017 14:37:23 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60060 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60059
haha, this is gonna be great.

kurtzman's stupidity is mind boggling.

just because GoT is like the biggest show ever doesn't mean that format should be applied to everything.
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Sat, 08 Jul 2017 14:53:50 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60061 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60060

>thinking it is the killing of ned stark that made GoT work

>thinking it wasn't the titties
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Persis - Sat, 08 Jul 2017 15:09:17 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60059
Holy fucking shit, shut the fuck up about Game of Thrones you retarded suit cocksucker.
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Nanpart Malor - Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:49:12 EST ID:iP0kMRIv No.60063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60062
Yeah man, let's just all refocus on hating STD.
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Dr. Crell Moset - Sat, 08 Jul 2017 20:41:37 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60063
I meant the network bringing up GoT nonstop in its retarded marketing for STD.
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Kimara Cretak - Sat, 08 Jul 2017 22:00:58 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I bet some EP moneyman was like "just make it like Game of Thrones, dat makes money, right?" and now they're selling their pile of shit as Game of Trek over and over so they'll have a few reviews to point to and show moneyman they did what he wanted give more money pls
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Lt. Joseph Carey - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 06:30:32 EST ID:mnIpG8LB No.60074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60067
I mean, that would be awesome if you wanted to make it chiefly about alien races squabbles with only the occasional renegade humans.

But there isn't enough money in the world for that much make up lol.
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Lt. Joseph Carey - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 06:31:42 EST ID:mnIpG8LB No.60075 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60074
Ooh. Like the backstory of romulus and remus and shit. Romulan makeup isn't too crazy.
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Kimara Cretak - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 12:35:33 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60074
That would be neat for another animated Trek
I remember the 80s DC comics threw in some goofy stuff that would be tough to film like a Horta crewmember
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Kono - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 14:01:17 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery is the first Trek TV series in over 15 years. Here's what to know.

>First, her given name, Michael, is “deliberately a man’s name,” though the character is female. And second, though she’s not Vulcan herself, EW reports that she is closely connected to Vulcan culture and society, as “the first human to attend the Vulcan Learning Center as a child and then the Vulcan Science Academy as a young woman. She has a close relationship with Sarek (James Frain), the father of Spock.”

>Multiple Instagram posts promoting the show in Klingon also lend themselves to this interpretation. Translated from Klingon, the full dispatch reads: “Light the fire,” which would seem to be a Klingon motto or mission statement.

>Discovery will also boast the first openly gay character in franchise history (discounting the somewhat controversial outing of Lt. Sulu in the 2016 reboot film Star Trek: Beyond).

https://www.vox.com/2017/7/9/15845772/star-trek-discovery-what-we-know
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Kimara Cretak - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 14:28:11 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60078
>it's the first except for how it isn't
oh PR stooge, you so stooge
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Maihar'du - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 21:03:49 EST ID:zjSOHbiO No.60081 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60078
>sporting the classic blue uniform of a Star Fleet commanding officer:
wat
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Icheb - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 06:13:02 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60078
I'm not reading anymore of the fuckin vacuous articles you keep posting.

We get it.
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Biddle Coleridge - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:42:26 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60082

Quality post mate thanks.

Nb
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Miles O'Brien - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:13:19 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60084
maybe do these with an archive.is link?
no reason to reward these herberts
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Icheb - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:51:32 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60088 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60084
You've or whoever has posted like a dozen links to random dumb publications fucking up details about star trek. We get it, they don't know what they're talking about.

I love it when people nb on this board.

Symbolic nb.
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Dr. Reyga - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 09:49:18 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You have to respect canon as it’s being written. You can’t say, ‘That never happened.’ No, no no, you can’t do that, they would kill you. Star Trek fans would kill you. No, you have to respect canon. You have to understand the timelines and what the different timelines were and what the different universes were and how they all worked together. You have to keep very meticulous track of who, what, where, when and why. And we have people in the writer’s room whose sole job is to say, ‘Nope, can’t do that!’”

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-connections-continuity/
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Guardian of Forever - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 15:22:01 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60090
yet an other bought and paid for marketing article
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Dmitri Valtane - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 23:52:51 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60093 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60091
Yeah for real it's a little suspicious at this point there's been like 30 articles in a row, some sorta CBS infoshill or something
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Ezri Dax - Wed, 12 Jul 2017 01:54:22 EST ID:Y2w2HGp/ No.60094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60093
I mean, if they are doing PR of course there's going to be content out there. It's like how when a new movie is coming out the actors go around and go on every talk show and tell the same canned story and the same "clip of the movie."

If they are minding continuity that strongly it's not a bad sign IMO.
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Colonel Lovok - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:18:52 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Zachary Quinto: Spock Should "Dip In" to 'Star Trek: Discovery'

>“Well, then maybe I’ll have to dip in for a little visit,” he said. Later in the profile ET claims that the cameo “probably” wouldn’t happen, but their reasoning for it is because of the chronological setting. But, the fact is, the chronological setting of Discovery in any existing timeline, makes it perfectly reasonable for Spock to appear. And because Zachary Quinto is canonically Spock — in any reality — it would be fine for him to show up as “prime” Spock, only younger on Discovery.

http://archive.is/5pFY9

https://www.inverse.com/article/34114-star-trek-discovery-spock-zachary-quinto-cameo-rumor-canon
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Grand Nagus Gint - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:20:55 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.60098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60097
thanks for the archive
friends don't let friends click bait
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Burt Ryan - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:40:57 EST ID:OswHvsn8 No.60099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60097
Lol, low ranking assistant science officer Spock pops in to say hi to his daddy.

The Barclay of Spocks.
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Colonel Lovok - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:05:37 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60099
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 05:46:08 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60090
>these people genuinely think they are respecting canon

Or maybe that's just what they say. All that waffling about timelines... There used to be none. Until people figured it was an excuse to have their cake and eat it, too. And now whenever I look up Trek info, I get "alternate timeline" shit presented as canon.

Everything these people say is ludicrous and shows they don't understand the very basis of this show. I bet that garbage fap fiction with the Chakats* is closer to Trek canon than this shit will ever be.

*If you don't know what this is, don't Google it, it will only anger you.
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Ensign Miral Paris - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:27:11 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60108
Yeah.

They're making a very serious and very inauthentic effort to make people think that the writers are fans and that the show is respectful of the canon.

>No, no no, you can’t do that, they would kill you. Star Trek fans would kill you. No, you have to respect canon.

This is obvious bullshit, and it's more like he's saying "this is what's gonna happen later, but for now we've gotta convince you fans that we respect you so you'll buy subscriptions"
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:46:15 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60109
It's especially grating after all those overt insults about how "fans" are racist and whatnot. This still reads like character assassination, because it portrays fans like a bunch of autistic robots who only care about a few boxes being ticked.

I don't like the look of this show because it does not sound like Trek, and does not even look like it. We care about continuity because it's normally a required tool for making something within the same setting that is, you know, kind of the same thing as other stuff in that setting. When that has already gone out of the window, continuity is useless. Just like with JJTrek. I only cared about their timeline crap when I was still letting myself be bamboozled into thinking it might be a good Trek revival. Now I know better, and I find the timeline logic to be irksome, because I see it for what it was: Exactly what you say it is.

They're just pulling the same trick twice in a row.
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Robert Wesley - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 00:07:13 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60110
yeah also the leap to violence that's assumed

this must really be some miserable shit if they're already in damage control so hard
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Jake Sisko - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 01:34:54 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60109
Looking back on this post I made yesterday. It's so true and it's so sad.

Idk why, but it's kinda depressing right now. It's all JJ Abrams fault too. He turned Star Trek into generic garbage by using his fucking shitty movie blockbuster formula. Now the fucking Ferengi at CBS think they can use the same formula to sell their shitty internet service. They know that cable is in jeopardy so they pull out the Star Trek IP as a card to play to hopefully keep their ship from sinking.

It's sad that this is the entirety of the Star Trek IP, because it's in their money grubbing hands.
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Katogh - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 02:37:30 EST ID:8fnok9bf No.60114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60113
to be honest Trek has been circling the drain for a decade

a few years back STO (Space Omnicide Simulator) was the brightest bit of Trek, and only lost that esteemed possition with Ultra-Treason to the tune of a Giga-Hitler at minimum and the reveal that the Battle of Procyon V is an everwar in a doomed timeline filled with constant rushes of extra forces pulled from all over in other doomed timelines
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Fer'at - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 02:37:53 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think its going to be ok.
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Hikaru Sulu - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 03:07:38 EST ID:t1W2idu9 No.60116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Guess what, kids?! CBS is now being accused of using sock puppet accounts to promote Discovery on the Star Trek subreddit.

https://www.circlejerk.com/r/startrek/comments/6mb6bs/i_believe_this_sub_is_being_astroturphed_and_its/
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Jake Sisko - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 03:28:23 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60116
Seems kinda flimsy. Idk, it would be kinda hard to get away with it on circlejerk, because you can see when the account was created and every post a user has made. Unless accounts were bought off.

But it was very obvious that there was shilling going on in other places. Like on the Star Trek website. Either that or it was a kinda funny troll pretending to be shills.
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Tallera - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:31:15 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60114
Star Trek is dead. I have peace with that. I've had peace with that ever since Enterprise, and I saw that this shitty kind of semi-Trek is worse than no Trek at all. STO is just a videogames. One made by fans, maybe, but one that misses the point of Trek in the same way damn near every other Trek game has missed the fucking point.

Trek couldn't survive VOY and ENT. What series could? The magic happened with TOS, TNG, and DS9. Sure, people liked VOY and ENT, but there was an obvious decline. An obvious lack of vision. But what we're seeing now isn't Trek in a poor condition, it's Trek's distant cousin slapping on a fake mustache and hovering around a grieving family, hoping for a piece of the inheritance.
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Robin Lefler - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:30:14 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60117

with love and respect sir or madam, this is nonsense. marketers create/buy/sell circlejerk accounts by the hundreds, perhaps thousands.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jaymcgregor/2017/02/20/circlejerk-is-being-manipulated-by-big-financial-services-companies/#6b7617ad4c92

https://startupbros.com/cracking-circlejerk-how-to-get-thousands-of-visitors-to-your-campaign-with-circlejerk-marketing/
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Robin Lefler - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:33:22 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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also check out this headline lol.

>no shit dudes
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Jake Sisko - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:39:27 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60122
Damn, CBS is putting some serious money into this little disinformation campaign of theirs.

If only they had thought to maybe make the show not shit instead of making it shit then spending hundreds of thousands to pretend it's not shit. It just would have been more simple.
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Jake Sisko - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:46:03 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60121
I was talking about the specific article if you read it nb
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Jake Sisko - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:47:09 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60126
I mean circlejerk post shit
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 00:05:11 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60116
hahaha what a pile of shit
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Grilka - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 00:41:27 EST ID:rGe2vLZs No.60135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60122

>LITERALLY hired writers to fact check
As if that's unusual.
There's a full time historian maintaining the canon of World of Fucking Warcraft.
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Commander Dolim - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 05:40:21 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60122
>we care about Trek canon
>except where we obnoxiously shoehorn our new show into established canon purely for marketing purposes and proceed to ignore everything that setting signifies, make up an entire new branch of an established core species that is so different they might as well be a new species, and shoot ourselves in the foot by limiting ourselves to a 1960's interpretation of future technology so we can't even do stories new to the setting if we wanted to, but we don't
>but we hired guys to fish out any serious contradictions because it's not like our main writers are fans, or even familiar with the source material
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Weyoun 6 - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 10:39:52 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60136
>we care about Trek canon

>but we fucked up minor things that illustrate that we don't actually

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_insignia
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Nava - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:05:07 EST ID:SlMc3SOc No.60139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>First Photo of Mary Chieffo as Klingon Commander L’Rell

http://archive.is/PBs8d

http://www.treknews.net/2017/07/15/first-photo-mary-chieffo-klingon-lrell/
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Grilka - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:30:55 EST ID:rGe2vLZs No.60140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60139
If they're gonna have stupid heads let them fucking have hair.

Jesus.
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Seven of Nine - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 01:43:15 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60139
Looks more Romulian then Klingon.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 02:01:33 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60145

>Romulog

>Klingulan

>Romklingonian
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Mezoti - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:27:55 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Rongulagon
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Rionoj - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:32:37 EST ID:K6pRQ8/j No.60148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60140
Next thing you know ENT will get revived for a season jus tto give it another two parter where Phlox has to go fix the augment DNA again and this time they lose hair.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:36:46 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery producer explains why the Klingons changed

>“In the different versions of Trek, the Klingons have never been completely consistent,” Harberts said. “We will introduce several different houses with different styles. Hopefully, fans will become more invested in the characters than worried about the redesign.”

>In other words: BIjatlh ’e’ yImev! (Translation: Be quiet!)

http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/17/star-trek-discovery-klingons-photo/

http://archive.is/0wAsL
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Grand Nagus Gint - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:38:30 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>New shot of the ship, whatever the fuck it is actually called.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:39:30 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60153 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60152

>shitty low res close up
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Commander Suran - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:48:49 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60152
Wait, there are holes in the saucer section?

That's fucking weird. Why?
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Grand Nagus Gint - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:05:08 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60154

reminds me a great deal of the USS Hatefuck.
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Ardon Broht - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:51:01 EST ID:VdGvrtz5 No.60156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60154

Same reason ds9 is a ring. Concept artists like round ringy space things... because it seems spacey... because they saw it on the cover of a sci-fi novel 50 years ago. They don't really understand the reason for a ring, it just feels right.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:22:38 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.60157 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60153
It looks better than the one from the trailer they released way way early in the project, anyways.

If only they shot all the CGI for this show in that kind of 70's scifi movie poster aesthetic. That would be sweet as shit.
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Nevala - Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:15:57 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60157
Yeah I think it looks better than the first shot they showed where it was all drab and dull looking.

I'm not one to usually get ni-picky with little details but the holes in the saucer really irk me. It's just dumb and now when I look at it I feel like it's supposed to be spinning and that makes it seem even more dumb. It's something I guess I can look past, but wwwwhhhhyyyyy?? Again. There's so much unnecessary shit that they're doing that just makes no sense.
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Thrax - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:39:23 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60158

if you look close enough it seems like the bridge is in yet another ring/pod thing.
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Thrax - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:40:25 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60159
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Thrax - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:47:03 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60161 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60160

oh shit it's literally an IDIC.

the ship is an IDIC.
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Nevala - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 03:29:24 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60161
That's actually pretty cool.

I wonder how deep all this Vulcan stuff will go.
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David Marcus - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:47:50 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60151
In other words, choH baqghol choH (change for change's sake).
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Thrax - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:22:16 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60164

>In other words, hu-huuk tarkek chu-krig (ripping off game of thrones).
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:54:09 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.60168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60161
The ship....is a Vulcan religious symbol? If it ends up the ship was designed and built at Vulcan I guess that'll fly. If it was designed by a Vulcanboo Earthling and built at Mars I guess it'll just be CBS continuing their proud tradition of being so culturally insensitive that fictional societies will culturally appropriate from other fictional societies without any of those fictional people realizing what's going on.
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Lt. Maxwell Burke - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:54:35 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60168
>Vulcanboo
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Nyota Uhura - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:16:57 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wil Wheaton expresses concern about DSC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7JgtVX-ECo
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Elim Garak - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:19:18 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60164

TNG had ridgey klingots because the movies had them. STD will have these goofy motherfuckers because the new movies do.

Its actually kind of neat to have different houses with different ridges. It's a better retcon than Enterprise's augments at least.

>>60138

Looks like a normal insignia with some kind of Vulcan shit on it.
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Toral - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:30:31 EST ID:8dyKgj66 No.60180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60179
There was a big evolution with their looks though.
>>60151
I really hope it's just a fanatical sect of Klingons that all have bald heads.

Nothing against bald Klingons otherwise though. Chang is mah boi.
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Tom Paris - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:34:44 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60179

Star fleet used mission patches. That logo is legit "the Enterprise", not "star fleet"
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Seskal - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:21:13 EST ID:nx2DfEC2 No.60186 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60185
this
it wasn't until TNG or the movies that it unified to be the triangle logo
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Toral - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:12:49 EST ID:8dyKgj66 No.60193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60178
Dat beard.

That's a real Ezekiel Al-Zawahiri right there.
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Toral - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:15:00 EST ID:8dyKgj66 No.60195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60193
A failed Haley-Joel Osment
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Toral - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:17:41 EST ID:8dyKgj66 No.60197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60195
>>60193
>>60178
An inverted Keanu almost
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Tom Paris - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:40:19 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60198 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery: Doug Jones breaks silence on show's new alien

>...can sense the coming of death is that he comes from a planet where he’s a ‘prey species.’ He’s the first of his kind to make it to Starfleet.” On Saru’s planet, there’s a dominant predator species that constantly imperils another weaker species called Kelpiens

>Saru is the Spock of the series, he’s the Data of the series — and those are beloved characters that I always connect with whenever I would watch the past incarnations of Star Trek,”

http://archive.is/Yo3wY

http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/19/star-trek-discovery-doug-jones-alien/
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Tom Paris - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:43:05 EST ID:atT7cm1d No.60199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Doug Jones' New Star Trek Alien Is Discovery's Answer to Spock and Data

>The reason Saru is the first is because on their homeworld, Kelpians are a “prey species,” constantly being hunted by the planet’s other major species, to the point that Kelpians evolved to have heightened survival instincts, including the ability to sense immediate mortal peril. If that wasn’t a shitty enough existence, apparently Saru also faces a tough social climate in the Federation, which apparently looks down on prey species like the Kelpians as being cowardly. So much for those evolved utopian ethics!

http://archive.is/rUiUK

https://io9.gizmodo.com/doug-jones-new-star-trek-alien-is-discoverys-answer-to-1797061579
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Latha Mabrin - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:40:28 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60195
lol all the hair in the world can't hide that little baby face. Beneath that he still looks just as young as when he filmed AI.
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Latha Mabrin - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:24:03 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60201 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60199
Oh god really???
Are they really gonna shoehorn that stupid discrimination shit into it?
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Governor Torak - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:14:21 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60202 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60199
I'm still gonna have a hard time hating Doug Jones as an ayyyylmao
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 02:47:37 EST ID:BpwbOWP/ No.60203 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60199
>apparently Saru also faces a tough social climate in the Federation, which apparently looks down on prey species like the Kelpians as being cowardly

Way to remove the entire fucking point of Star Trek. I understand that people wasn't exactly the fan of the entire humanity ass kissing that happened in the series--even as someone who likes the optimistic outlook, it can get a bit much.

But hey, I'd be more than welcome to eat crow if this doesn't turn out as nearly as bad as I'm fearing it will.
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Degra - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:15:41 EST ID:CIpGW/SP No.60204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59458
Fuck this looks so bad, primarily due to them going Abrams route in terms of lighting, tech, and etc.
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Valkris - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:42:46 EST ID:8dyKgj66 No.60205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60204
The lighting actually is similar to ToS mirror universe.
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:43:08 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60205

No it isn't.
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Valkris - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:42:50 EST ID:8dyKgj66 No.60211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60210
Yeah dawg, the muted discrete lighting from above thing. Strong shadows.

I couldn't find a better shot on google images and I don't have a way to watch the episode but If you watch it you can see how it's similar in the engine room shot.
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Valkris - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:48:32 EST ID:8dyKgj66 No.60212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60211
I really can't find a shot wide enough to make my point clearly.
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Valkris - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:50:26 EST ID:8dyKgj66 No.60213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60212
It still begs the question. Why is does it look like the mirror universe? Is this story set entirely on the night shift? Is it ACTUALLY set in the mirror universe? Could such a twist even possibly be hidden from the public?

Nah producers just being assholes probs.
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 10:39:16 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60213

Mirror Universe is darkly lit, Discotrash is flaretrek grimdark lit.
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 10:41:32 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60214

Also I have not seen any characters in the Discotrash who were not swaddled head to toe.

I will be very surprised if there is any sexuality in this show at all.
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Ba'el - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:35:23 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60199
You can't hear it, but I'm making vomiting noises right now.

Man, am I ever tired of all these assholes who think they're smart by bucking the utopian Trek trend. It's. Been. Done. And it's been done better. Deep Space 9 did this same, exact thing. Except DS9 was actually a good, smart show, so they showed the Federation's ideals under pressure in context with TNG.

I was expecting that this guy was just going to be a garden variety telepath. I wasn't thrilled about that, because even good writers couldn't really make it work, but they've somehow managed to come up with something worse.

Just fuck this show. Fuck it. Fuck everyone working on it. Fuck everyone who's going to watch it and validate it.
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:27:08 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>These Discovery Props Reveal a Ton About Star Trek's New Klingon Foes

Dumping images from this comicon.

http://archive.is/VcXqh

https://io9.gizmodo.com/these-discovery-props-reveal-a-ton-about-star-treks-new-1797102750
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:28:33 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60219 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Some kinda klingon knife.
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:29:52 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>tng rank pips on tos insignia
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:30:56 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>islamic outer shell

>islamic outer shell

honestly how is this not offensive to Muslims?
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:32:10 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I have no fucking idea what is going on here.
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:34:15 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60223 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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coffin reminds me of the post in the old /discotrash general/ that compared a leaked concept to the ceiling of a mosque.
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:39:13 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60223

not sure if I can cross link on this board, but like this:
>>58369
>>58369
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Governor Torak - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:50:14 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60225 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60222
apparently The Legion is dropping by from World Of Warcraft
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:50:22 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60218

>even though Discovery takes place before the original series, Star Trek has always—save a throwaway line in things like Deep Space Nine’s “Trials and Tribble-ations”—just pretended that the ridge-headed Klingons from TNG are what they’ve always looked like.
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The Traveler - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:45:28 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60222

>The suit was designed by Neville Page and Glenn Hetrick. Page and Hetrick are both working on Discovery and regularly featured on Syfy’s Face Off.

>Fans may also know Page as the concept and creature designer for the three Kelvin-era Star Trek feature films.

http://trekmovie.com/2017/07/19/sdcc17-klingon-torchbearer-revealed-gentle-giant-announces-star-trek-discovery-collectibles/

http://archive.is/i0SLW
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Mordoc - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 21:35:40 EST ID:taw/SJIa No.60228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60222

Shit looks like transformers. Just cram as much shiny spikey metal detail in there until the whole design silhouettes like shit and no one can tell what's going on. I think these designs are going to age so poorly, it's like a 3D version of 90's tribal tattoos and flame decals.
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Timothy Lang - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 22:07:13 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60227
That design is ridiculous. I don't see how it could make any sense.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:37:32 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.60231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>MFW every time there is a Discovery update and it breaks canon just a bit more
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The Traveler - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:56:37 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60231

>close up of uniform fabric
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The Traveler - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:12:42 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Discovery final design 1/3
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The Traveler - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:13:30 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Discovery final design 2/3
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The Traveler - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:14:14 EST ID:qRo9HumY No.60235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Discovery final design 3/3
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:19:48 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60232
oh what in the actual fuck
it's a fucking 1701 logo
these mongoloids really didn't know that shit was ship-specific at that time in the show

>>60233
this is kind of nice, but I'm fond of the McQuarriePrise to begin with so I'm probably an easy sell on this
Sure is cool the drew it going into warp, kinda gives it a dynamic flare so you can
>>60235
oh
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James T Kirk - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:53:32 EST ID:5J64JKaB No.60237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60214
>Discotrash is flaretrek grimdark lit.
It's actually just the fact that ToS couldn't have anything shiny in it without blowing out the color balance of the old cameras.

>>60221
>islamic outer shell

>honestly how is this not offensive to Muslims?

>Aztecing
How is this not offensive to Mexicans?
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:56:16 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.60238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60236
>oh

I wonder if it has shields, and if so what they're rated for. The ship might only be able to block 2 shots with its shields and then it gets pummeled. You don't want big, squishy midsections that will blow 6 decks of people and a large chunk of your crew into space, hence the separated sections connected by the pillar running from the bridge to the very aft part of the ship's midline.
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Timothy Lang - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 02:00:30 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60235
I honestly think that would be a pretty dope design if the saucer was a little bigger and they removed the dumb holes in it.
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Timothy Lang - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 02:01:03 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, what is discotrash??
Is that a filter?
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Mordoc - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 02:22:13 EST ID:taw/SJIa No.60241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60236

Is it that they don't know or they just don't care? When did the insignia become federation-wide? Was it just another design change that the fans retconned a reason for?
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 02:57:40 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.60242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60241
The Enterprise was just another ship in The Original Series. But in The Next Generation it was the Flagship of the Federation Fleet. The Enterprise ship logo becoming fleet wide probably happened in tandem with it becoming flagship.

I feel like they probably just reused the TNG comm-badge out of necessity and it just became cannon that everybody had swoopy communicator thingamajigs without anyone noticing.

Only other explanation I can think of is the swoopy badge refers to the 'pure exploration' part of StarFleet's mission, and that this isn't a military ship but they inevitably get sucked into militaryeryey plot lines.
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Admiral William J Ross - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 04:32:42 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This shit with the Enterprise logo everywhere reminds me of that home make-over show. Your kids mentioned once they like horses? Boom, horse-themed house.

All of this looks utterly terrible. They obviously spent a lot of effort on shit like the Klingon costumes, but I absolutely hate it. It looks so generic. Despite being cheap as fuck, TNG Klingons look distinctive. These guys look like they could be the bad guys in just about any sci-fi movie. Just like JJTrek's Romulans, come to think of it. I remember doing a double take when they mentioned the Romulan ship was a mining vessel, because why would a mining vessel look so fucking menacing and evil? Well, because it was also the bad guy of the movie. That's why.

In fact, these designs remind me of one thing more than anything else: Chronicles of Riddick's Necromongers. It certainly doesn't help that we've been introduced to these Klingnots with loads of dead people related shit. In fact, the leader's helmet looks like a ripoff of those zombie guard dogs the Necromongers had. Except that was a cool, distinctive thing because of the visual effect. But the fucking Necromongers were a cartoony villain culture in a cartoony setting. Riddick never asked you to take him seriously. He kills a motherfucker with a tea cup. But THESE fuckers? All super cereal "not your daddy's Trek" garbage.

The designs look terrible, and not very distinctive. I'm sure they thought that making the Klingons massively detailed and ornate would give them their own look, but to me they just look like generic sci-fi garbage vomited all over the screen. Detail doesn't equal visual distinctiveness. Starfleet looks even worse. But both look insanely impractical. This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, but a lot of shit in Trek looked like it had some thought behind it. It looked like shit you'd want to use. Even in TOS McCoy had short sleeves... because he was the fucking doctor. A very simple detail, but one that shows they thought about things. But these new rank pips on the badges? How is that supposed to fucking work? In TNG, they're practical: You can instantly see someone's rank while facing them in conversation. In this garbage you'd have to bend over and squint your eyes, looking at the tiny metal bumps on their fucking chest badge. Same thing with reducing the department colours to the metal of the badges. Can you distinguish gold and copper from across the room?

The designers who came up with this shit are idiots. They didn't even put two seconds of through into this nonsense before putting pen to paper. They didn't think about what they wanted to communicate and just said to themselves "lol wouldn't it be cool if the Klingons were fashionistas".

And then all these goddamn articles go on about "the rabid fandom" being upset over tiny details. No mate, I'm upset over big, huge things that aren't even details. Such as everything in this show looking like garbage. The only things that don't look like garbage are the communicator and tricorder designs, which are taken straight from TOS. And why shouldn't they? One is a cellphone, and the other a tricorder. What are you going to do with a tricorder? It's a box people wave at shit to advance the plot that, in other series, would be fulfilled by waiting a day or something.

Frankly, I'm impressed that they actually made TOS communicators, and didn't retcon it to TNG communicators, given how they seem to be going with TNG based shit. Then again, I'm sure that within two episodes they'll ditch the communicators in favour of something "experimental" after they have an edgy scene where the TOS communicator being an impractical device leads to someone's death. Because this is not your daddy's Trek, kids!
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Kes - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:03:59 EST ID:ulFGB26h No.60244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGq05tGNhQ0
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Thy'lek Shran - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:30:19 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>more gallery shots

http://archive.is/vnrab

https://www.cnet.com/pictures/concept-art-of-star-trek-discovery-comic-con-2017/5/
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Thy'lek Shran - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:31:27 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60246

it appears they stuck with the obviously ripped off mosaic design.
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Thy'lek Shran - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:32:24 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60247

transporter room in classic star wars rebel alliance color scheme.
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General K'Trelan - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 19:10:14 EST ID:VdGvrtz5 No.60249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just a random question. People have a lot to say about what lighting they don't like. I'm just wondering what people want from lighting? I personally think the super flat lighting from tng was terrible, and while some decisions are terrible I'm not really offended by the lighting in this show.

Someone who knows better, please explain lighting to me and how it should be instead of just what it shouldn't be.
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James T Kirk - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 19:21:17 EST ID:5J64JKaB No.60250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60249
Day shift lighting.

The same spot lighting but with more soft filler light.


A ship that isn't perpetually suffering from clinical depression, basically.
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Species 8472 - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:01:39 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Discovery comics will ‘really matter’ ... the story in the comic will really matter and not just feel like a one-off. It is actually able to expand the story you guys are going to see in the show itself.

>Looking forward they also provided more details on the just-announced six-issue “I.D.I.C.” storyline that kick’s off in October. According to Johnson, each issue will visit a different universe.

>each one is a different Kirk. Johnson identified a few, noting an “AI/robot version,” a female version named Jane Tiberious Kirk (who has appeared before in the comics), a Mirror Universe Kirk (and specifically a Mirror to the Kelvin Universe) and a version of Kirk raised by Klingons after he was captured as a baby

http://archive.is/y4tfO

http://trekmovie.com/2017/07/21/sdcc17-idw-panel-reveals-details-on-star-trek-discovery-and-boldly-go-comics/
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Species 8472 - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 02:03:03 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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USS Shenzhou
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Subcommander Almak - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 05:09:14 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60254
Okay the Shenzhou looks badass. Srsly.
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Trentin Fala - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 06:21:33 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60255
Because it looks exactly like the Akira class.
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Species 8472 - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 07:43:18 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60256
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Species 8472 - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 10:35:59 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60256

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/enterprise_design_comment.htm

>The "Akiraprise" Design

>The first pictures of Enterprise NX-01 from the TV Guide were published in the web on Sunday, July 8th, two months before the series went on air. My immediate thought was "They plagiarized the Akira!"
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Commander Morag - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 10:50:24 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60253
>comics will 'really matter'
hahaha no they won't you fucking liar
they tried that lie about FlareTreks, they probably tried that lie back with the old DC comics between Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock (those were cool, though)
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Species 8472 - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:42:10 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
new trailer is out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7IMj7WFyE
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Species 8472 - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:44:39 EST ID:KU6ztttm No.60265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60264

HOLY

SHIT

THIS

LOOKS

BAD
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Morn - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:37:54 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60264
>This video is not available.

Huh
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Leonard McCoy - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:58:12 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60267 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60264
It looks so dark..

Can someone more well versed in the canon tell me what is supposed to be going on during this period. There was a war with the Klingons during this period right?
I mean the Klingons are formiddable, but how is it this grim looking? The way it's portrayed makes it seem 10x as grim and grave as when Archer was in the expanse.
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Ishka Moogie - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 21:47:48 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60267

It is *questionable* what is going on in this period. It is more or less concurrent with the events of the original (rejected) pilot episode, The Cage. (2254). Discovery set is in 2255.

So watch The Cage for a sense of what star fleet looked like in this time period. Setting the show in this period was a really dumb move, as it severely limited the breadth of story telling easily available. Chances are they used this time period because it is *more or less* what Axanar was doing, but Axanar was making things look "right".
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Leonard McCoy - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 22:15:31 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60268
That explains why they dropped the hammer on Axanar so hard. They didn't want Axanar making them look bad.

And cool, TOS is the only series I haven't seen all of, so I'm rusty on it. I'll re watch The Cage sometime soon.
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Lt. Maxwell Burke - Sun, 23 Jul 2017 00:53:47 EST ID:rOx+VKsg No.60270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60264
I'm just gonna copy and paste my youtube comment in this thread.

WHAT IS THIS MUSIC?! MAKE IT STOP. Trek fans vomited out their guts during the Star Trek: Enterprise premiere over the theme tune. It would be folly to ignore the FACT of how a poorly chosen, non-Trek music choice has damaged the franchise in the past and REPEAT IT. This is your first real substantial trailer. Stop this madness now.
If a song sounds like it belongs on an MTV teen drama, throw it out. If a song has any discernible lyrics in English. THROW. IT. OUT. (run it over the credits if you must)

The best thing you could possibly hope for is that the song eventually becomes iconic schlock as the Enterprise theme has. I know all the words and I've wasted untold volumes of lighter fluid sarcastically flame-waving.
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Rekelen - Sun, 23 Jul 2017 02:00:05 EST ID:s5ry+FiP No.60271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60264
I'd be more disappointed if this direction wasn't already clear from all the news of the past year. This will officially be considered Star Trek, but in every other way it will fail to meet any of the series' standards. Even if it does get pumped life into it to last say 4 seasons, the best you're going to get out of it is a late season episode that apes something a previous show did in a mildly clever way - think ENT S4 but far more obvious and with far less class.

Best thing this show is going to provide is a clear, universal response to "so what was the worst show?"
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Emperor Reclaw - Sun, 23 Jul 2017 04:23:32 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.60273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60264
>that part with Mudd

What the actual fuck? He comes off more as a psycho rather than a jolly, flamboyant conman.

Each new bit of information kills my already long dead hype. for this show.

Also, how dare it say that it's the "next chapter" in Star Trek when it's another fucking prequel.
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Odo - Sun, 23 Jul 2017 05:47:43 EST ID:hqdWm3TA No.60275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60273
Well what I gathered is that the mudd clip is a moment from when his schemes are culminating and he's being a bastard.

Mudd's charisma is his strong suit but when it gets down to the nitty gritty he's a real moustache-twirling villain.
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Guinan - Sun, 23 Jul 2017 07:27:10 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60264
Looks like shit. But we all knew that already.

This is not Star Trek. This is Game of Thrones in space. It's all big action, big story. Where is the philosophy? Where is the endearing character interaction? This is the ultimate irony: "Star Trek" going the way of Ron Moore's BSG, 20 years after the fact. The anti-Trek. Except I dare say that this will suck balls compared to BSG.

I reiterate my previous statement: Fuck this show, fuck everyone working on it, fuck the people who are going to watch it.
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Ishka Moogie - Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:00:31 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60283 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Michael Burnham is spock's half sister, daughter of Amanda Grayson
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Tal Celes - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 02:14:52 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/eastoday.htm#editorial

>Regarding the production design, only the handheld Starfleet devices such as the tricorder, communicator and the phasers fit into the visual continuity of TOS. Everything else was heavily retconned, such as the starships, none of which looks remotely like a 23rd century design, and the interior design that is like in the Abrams films. And all this is still nothing compared to what was done to the Klingons. The very look of the species as well as their whole styling and technology was altered far beyond recognition and far beyond what might have been an acceptable update.

>It remains to be seen whether Discovery has the spirit of Star Trek in spite of everything, and whether I will be able to find this spirit in an ongoing war story with ongoing character conflicts. The series may still surprise me. Right now, I absolutely hate the design decisions and the visual overkill in the SDCC trailer puts me off. It likely won't be my kind of Star Trek. Still, I'm not going on a crusade against Discovery. I will just keep a critical distance to the series, which, like the Abramsverse, does not fit into the established continuity and which, for me, may not become a desirable vision of the future.

>Please respect that until further notice I can't do anything more than review the Discovery episodes.
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Senator Pardek - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:10:24 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60289 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60288
I smell bullshit, regarding why he won't review Discovery until after it's all over.
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Tal Celes - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:18:01 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60291 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery's Captain Lorca is most "f**ked up" captain yet, says Jason Isaacs

>Jason Isaacs has teased that his leading role in Star Trek: Discovery will see him become the most f**ked up captain yet.

>So can it, Kirk.

http://archive.is/fkwp3

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/news/a833910/star-trek-discovery-comic-con-captain-lorca-jason-isaacs/
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Naomi Wildman - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:38:20 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.60292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60291
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Subcommander N'Vek - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:54:50 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugJ05G5rTqA

nb
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Ikat'ika - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 14:27:10 EST ID:BpwbOWP/ No.60294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60291
So... basically a male Janeway?
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Sarina Douglas - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:15:54 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60291
All this shit is just killing my hype slowly over the months, like a poison quietly taking me down
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Tal Celes - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 18:42:52 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60297 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It is worth your time to scroll through the comments on the second trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7IMj7WFyE
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Subcommander Velal - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 21:11:13 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60294
A male janeway but at least semi-competent would be kinda cool.
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Rom - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 02:23:02 EST ID:oMSExyHV No.60301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can we just disregard what the writers are saying and just consider this series part of the Kelvin Timeline?
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Syrran - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 10:07:54 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60301
>Can we just disregard what the writers are saying
yes
head-to-toe
yes
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Trentin Fala - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:33:10 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Gucci's Star Trek-Themed Fashion Reveal Looks Better Than Star Trek: Discovery

>to help introduce its 2017 Fall and Winter fashion campaign, the brand created a short film inspired by the original Star Trek series.

>It’s wonderful, and we’d happily trade Star Trek: Discovery for a whole series of this.

http://archive.is/pNNgy

https://io9.gizmodo.com/guccis-star-trek-themed-fashion-reveal-looks-better-tha-1797224876
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Trentin Fala - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:44:26 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60306 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Shazad Latif On Playing A POW In Pain On "Star Trek: Discovery"

>He is a Starfleet officer - Lt. Ash Tyler - who we meet as a prisoner of war. So he comes back onto the ship. He has gone through a lot of horrible, horrible things. He tries to find some normality as he comes back onto the ship. Which he might or might not.

>Yeah [PTSD] is explored in ways. I don't know how much I can say. It is a very complex and painful and deep character. Hopefully I have done it justice.

http://archive.is/MUfeG

http://trekmovie.com/2017/07/24/sdcc-interview-shazad-latif-on-playing-a-pow-in-pain-on-star-trek-discovery/
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Corporal F Hawkins - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:46:12 EST ID:yI2e4ozK No.60307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60306
oh wow that's so bold and new and not something DS9 did twenty years aog
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Jimmy - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:37:23 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>13 Things You May Have Missed In The Latest ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Trailer

>1. Other Starfleet Ships in a Battle?

>8. There’s New Way to Fly

>9. Menacing Mudd

http://archive.is/6MqBw

http://www.treknews.net/2017/07/25/star-trek-discovery-trailer-info/
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Jimmy - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:39:24 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery - Harry Mudd is "More Dastardly"

>"Let’s remember this particular universe is a very dark time for the Federation and for Starfleet with this war happening," Wilson said. "I don’t think it would be appropriate in this universe to have as many kind of jolly wackadoodle episodes like we did in the original series and The Next Generation. That’s one of the wonderful things about Star Trek, is you could have some episodes that are almost comedies."

http://archive.is/hEfAr

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-trek/266613/star-trek-discovery-harry-mudd-is-more-dastardly
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Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:47:59 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60317
>"I don’t think it would be appropriate in this universe to have as many kind of jolly wackadoodle episodes like we did in the original series and The Next Generation. That’s one of the wonderful things about Star Trek, is you could have some episodes that are almost comedies."
>here's a wonderful thing about trek
>it's shit for retards and we won't do it
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Mestral - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:25:29 EST ID:d9Ht7kQF No.60327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60326
They'll do it eventually. They just want to be taken seriously.
They're just indifferent that their plan involves disgruntling their inbuilt fanbase.
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Lt. Darien Wallace - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:07:08 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60327
I'm more and more getting the impression that they're all convinced that they're doing the right thing, except maybe a few executive level people. I know plenty of people who like Star Trek, but maybe not love it on the intimite, slightly worrying level that I do, who are perfectly fine with, for lack of a better word, shit. They thought JJTrek was enjoyable and suitably "Trek-like", they like Janeway's phoned-in-from-a-mile-away "strong female protagonist" choices, they thought ENT was a really good show. And a lot of those people really do want a vaguely Star Trek shaped product that appeals to that GoT-shaped hole in their hearts.

When you look at JJTrek, you see a bunch of actors who don't really have anything with Star Trek, except Pegg, but they still try. They give a bunch of good to acceptable performances (that's you, Quinto. You're kind of a shit actor). They might not be invested in the property, but they're invested in their roles. They just happened to be directed by one of the most soulless cunts to ever grace Hollywood. I'm still convinced nothing ever grows again on places where JJ Abrams set his tiny, little paws down. Look at the asshole. He never walks on grass, because he knows it'll give away his demonic blood.

I've mentioned it before, but Trump's election really opened my eyes to the way people can just completely fool themselves. For me, it was an election. One of two wins. That's how it works. But for MOST of America and Western Europe? Total fucking surprise. Despite only representing about half of the population, they convinced themselves that they represented the vast, vast majority. And I think Hollywood does the same. Hell, the Trump angle is still there: Hollywood gave itself a long, hard blowjob at the Oscar's while whining about Trump. And that sort of conviction does not end with politics.

In short, I think a lot of them believe their own stories about both how they're doing well by Trek, and how most of their detractors are a bunch of racist rednecks who never really "got" Trek. And I think that sucks, because as I pointed out in another novel I wrote on this board, I think it's always been an important point in Trek to question everything, including yourself. ESPECIALLY yourself. For fuck's sake, Picard shoots himself point blank in the chest at one point. And ultimately, I think it's that lack of introspection, that lack of respect for others, their feelings, their points, what makes NuTrak all suck.

But they get to set up shop at ComicCon, have crowds of enthusiastic people, and get a bunch of articles that fellate their every design choice. And unless they willingly step out of that bubble, they can just look at us as people angry over nothing.
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Pavel Chekov - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:30:04 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.60330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60328
you could drop the Trek words from that and apply it to a lot of different things
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Lt. Darien Wallace - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:19:34 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60330
No shit, Data.
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Christopher Pike - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:39:42 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60328
When did Picard shoot himself in the chest?

And I think more than anything it's their need to make the show feel edgy and current. Also, trek hasn't always been idealistic. That's really only during tng. ENT, DS9 and VOY had it's very dark moments, where the type of tactics from TNG didn't just work out perfectly all the time. They did some very dark moves sometimes to get out of trouble. I don't think the grimdark thing is a total no-deal, but I just hope they don't try too hard with it.

The fact that they said they're cutting out the comedy episodes actually could be a good thing. If they're making the show super serious it would just feel really inauthentic for them to all of the sudden make a comedy episode. That would be like say you're in the middle of a big war and then you go and make a whole episode about playing baseball in the holodeck. That would be ludicrous.
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Vash - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:48:41 EST ID:WtzPIgUa No.60333 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60332
>ENT, DS9 and VOY had it's very dark moments
I don't like the idea that DS9 was simply just trek ideals failing. It took the ideas apart but often put them back together. Often the ideals of the federation bent, or maybe even broke at a low level but stood tall. Section 31 created the virus but that didn't win the war, it just saved a lot of lives and only because the cure was given. The founders were so nihilistic that knowing they'd die they were prepared to kill billions just to make people feel sad. The federation was always the good guys.

There's a big difference between reconstructivism and grimdark. Grimdark is an evolutionary step back from what DS9 was in many senses.
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Jimmy - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 13:02:53 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60333

DS9 is set at the edge of federation space.

The question the show poses is "how well does this work outside of the federation?" Voyager asked the same question, and got similar answers.
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Lt. Darien Wallace - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:00:21 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60332
In Time Squared. There's a future Picard who wants to take a certain course of action, and Picard starts doubting himself. It culminates with him eliminating that doubt by shooting his double and taking the correct course of action.

TNG itself had plenty of dark moments, too. Picard gets tortured on-screen, even. Really tortured. As in, they had an interrogation manual on the desk while writing the script. Geordi gets fucked multiple times. Riker gets mindfucked at least twice. There's The Wounded, which was basically the pilot for DS9. But that's core of their mistake: The original never shied away from darker tones.

The whole grimdark thing is something that's infamous for making a property suck. The only time I've seen it work was with BSG. And that was made by a pissed off Ron Moore consciously making the anti-Star Trek. So when people say "we're going to do the same stuff as the people trying to be as unlike Star Trek as possible", that doesn't make me think it's a good decision.

And DS9 would have been a terrible slog if half of it's episodes had been The Ship. Which is also a better war episode than anything STD will have. Because unlike what they're saying, the shit they're going to do has been done before.
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Pavel Chekov - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:03:52 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.60337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60336
>Because unlike what they're saying, the shit they're going to do has been done before.
seriously I'm waiting for them to announce it'll have a totally amazing new thing that's never been done by having a Klingon on the bridge
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Senator Tal'aura - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:16:50 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Has Star Trek: Discovery Gone Full Mary Sue?

>Confession- my heart fell at this news. I was previously on board full force for Discovery. I was impressed with the casting for Sarek and the idea of a story that follows a female first officer was intriguing.

>Discovery was making all the right moves- until they went and made it a Mary Sue fanfic.

http://archive.is/TAcql

http://www.geekedable.com/has-star-trek-discovery-gone-full-mary-sue/
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Quark - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 06:27:17 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.60344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60275
See >>60317
It really seems like they're deliberately missing the point of everything in this new show.
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Administrator V'Las - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 13:47:19 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.60347 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60338
>Discovery was making all the right moves
lolwat
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:59:40 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.60353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60336
>Because unlike what they're saying, the shit they're going to do has been done before.

Let's see about that....

>prequel
check
>Federation at war storyline
check
>expanding the cannon by retconning new races into prequels
check
>forgetting the precepts of the Federation setting, where people actively try to get over their hangups proactively
check
>fleshing out the Vulcan race through retconning
*sigh* check
>fleshing out the Klingons pre-Kittimer Accords in a way that will add nothing real and substantial to Klingon Canon
probably check.
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Tom Paris - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:02:47 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>More Details On The War With The Klingons In ‘Star Trek: Discovery’

>The Klingons in our storyline are the bad guy. They are the ones that can’t be reasoned with and they are trying to take over the universe for their own altruistic reasons that they think are right. But in the sensible world of reason we are trying to peacefully work this out. They won’t have it.

http://archive.is/RtdS9

http://trekmovie.com/2017/07/27/more-details-on-the-war-with-the-klingons-in-star-trek-discovery/

So the bad guys have "Islamic" art on their ships.
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Tom Paris - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:16:10 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Apparently, You Can't Say 'God' on Star Trek

>Entertainment Weekly shared this little anecdote from the set:
>The director halts the action and Lorca, played by British actor Jason Isaacs of Harry Potter fame, steps off the stage. The episode’s writer, Kirsten Beyer, approaches to give a correction on his “for God’s sakes” ad lib.
>“Wait, I can’t say ‘God’?” Isaacs asks, amused.

>Beyer explains that Star Trek is creator Gene Roddenberry’s vision of a science-driven 23rd-century future where religion basically no longer exists.

http://archive.is/jPM1p

https://io9.gizmodo.com/apparently-you-cant-say-god-on-star-trek-1797301585
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Elim Garak - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 02:25:55 EST ID:FP05FwkH No.60358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60355
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Ensign Wright - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 05:29:55 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60355
This is the first time I've seen an article that has legit criticism of all the nonsense these producer fucks keep pumping out. Christ almightly, there are still sane people in the world.

But yeah, they're absolutely right. They keep saying stuff about Star Trek that's either ancient history, or not true at all. And then they use that to excuse decisions that have nothing to do with "proper" Trek. It's almost as if they choose the TOS setting because they could endlessly grab back to claims about TOS and Roddenberry to excuse shitty executive decisions. They want GoT-esque character conflict? "We're ditching this old Rod law, not your daddy's Trek!" They want to remove mentions of God? "Roddenberry never wanted anyone to mention God, that's word of God, guys!"
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Boq'ta - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 05:50:19 EST ID:Tnd0hQV6 No.60362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60355
>>60358
I just want to point out that every single time anyone referenced god on Babylon 5 it was lame as all hell.

If you wanna put someone in praying or wearing some kind of religious iconography that's a hell of a lot better than talking about it. You shouldn't just talk a little about god. Make it a big thing or stick to the point.

Anyway I think the point of this in Star Trek is that ST humans aren't used to express our present day human cultural issues, it's framed in slightly more abstract terms with some other race.

Star Trek has also been a show historically where ad libs had to go through writers and producers for approval and people had to stick to the fucking script. So there's that as well.
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Kazago - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 06:10:35 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60355
Yeah that is definitely some projecting right there, on the directors behalf.

No Star Trek wasn't usually overt, but it did talk about God and religion. All the time. It just used symbolism. Sometimes overt, and sometimes really subtle and clever.
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Ensign Wright - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 07:06:25 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60362
>Star Trek has also been a show historically where ad libs had to go through writers and producers for approval and people had to stick to the fucking script. So there's that as well.

This is exactly what I mean with my post up there. This show has nothing to do with the Star Trek we know. Saying that something used to be done on Star Trek a certain way in order to give a weird decision leeway does not fly. These are not the same people, they aren't working in the same way, and they aren't making the same kind of television.
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Tom Paris - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 11:16:30 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery to be 'hard PG-13' yet avoid nudity

>Star Trek: Discovery is boldly going where no series in the franchise has gone before — onto a streaming service beyond the prudish content restrictions of broadcast and syndication.
>Showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg say the CBS All Access series will go a bit further than their Star Trek forebears when it comes to showing grown-up content but says they still plan to keep the show family friendly.

>As Harberts suggested, Star Trek: Discovery will have other kinds of grown-up subject matter — such as life-and-death stakes and flawed characters

>Nudity and Trek are indeed a potentially perilous combo.

http://archive.is/Gd7ZW

http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/28/star-trek-discovery-nudity/
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Tom Paris - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 11:23:03 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>We've all be dancing around the same basic issue.
>Does Data have a soul?

https://youtu.be/vjuQRCG_sUw?t=4m52s

>>60364
>>60363
>>60362
>>60361
>>60358
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Commander Morag - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 11:34:32 EST ID:2N+x02Fx No.60368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60355
"Man has no need for gods. We find the one quite sufficient"
>>60366
>trek
>prudish
shit TOS showed more skin than half the shit on TV today

what in the actual fuck are these cunts babbling about
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Kazago - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 11:35:16 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60369 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60366
Avoid doesn't mean there will be no nudity
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Tom Paris - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 12:00:46 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Roddenberrys vision:

>united humanity
>exploration of space/self is paramount
>everyone is sexy, sex is normal, dudes wear miniskirts (tng s01)
>Troi was going to have three tits ffs
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Talok - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 17:57:47 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60362
>Babylon 5
I like the bantz between the space protestant and the space catholic
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:39:38 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Bryan Fuller Originally Wanted ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ to Be an Anthology Series

> his pitch. It wasn’t just for a ‘Trek’ series but for multiple serialized anthology shows that would begin with the ‘Discovery’ prequel, journey through the eras of Captain James T. Kirk and Captain Jean-Luc Picard, and then go beyond to a time in ‘Trek’ that’s never been seen before.

http://archive.is/qq3F1

http://collider.com/star-trek-discovery-original-vision-bryan-fuller/
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Captain Blackwood - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 00:12:20 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60374
>Bryan Fuller Originally Wanted ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ to Be an Anthology Series
That explains the first teaser with "crews"

Wow this gets more and more of a clusterfuck by the day.
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Thot Pran - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 02:18:04 EST ID:9//e7DdE No.60376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60375
That would have been so much better. I was expecting a seasonal anthology series where we hop around between seasons and tell different stories in interesting places.
>>60368
>"Man has no need for gods. We find the one quite sufficient"
I knew this quote existed but I couldn't find it. Good job.
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Kai Winn - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 03:32:38 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60374
That's a strange idea. Maybe he wanted to do that because he didn't think CBS was capable of making real trek so he wanted to do it half assed, and not have to commit a crew to more than a season.
If the first season sucked, then it's alright because there's gonna be a new crew next season.
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Guinan - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:20:13 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60374
I almost came here to post this same (or a very similar) article.. it almost makes me want to straight up boycott Discovery.. I mean he was trying to make the show we all wanted.. on the original Discovery thread there was a rumor floated of an anthology show.. and everyone really seemed to like the idea of a multigenerational story uniting all the time periods of trek

Instead we get YASS QUEEN SLAY ActionTrek set 10 years before a show in the 60s with absurdly better visuals and undoubtedly better technology.

Extraordinarily disappointing. I'm increasingly unsure I even want to watch the pilot.

>Mfw I read the article
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Guinan - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:28:06 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60377
When the rumor was going around here of an anthology show at least a year back, we were kinda going through mental projections of what a show could be like. It could have literally followed someone from crewman to ensign.. all the way to admiral and even retirement.. and then have all kinds of cameos from other Trek's and reoccurring characters from previous parts of the anthology. They could have done a lot of cool things with this, and even a crew-of-the-season show with little crossover could have been interesting. I don't think this trek will be as strong anyways since they've made it clear that a number of main characters will be killed GoT style. It'll be a different crew in season 2 either way.. after all they keep talking about the Shenzou and the Discovery.. that little voice in the back of my head makes me think it's unlikely in super action trek that both ships will survive this season.
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:43:15 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60381
>>60380

I used to shitpost here non stop about my trek pitch, which would have been a Twilight Zone style anthology show, no recurring characters. Have Q play the role of Serling.

I wonder if Bryan Fuller reads this board?

Sorry you got fucked by CBS, Bryan.
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Kai Winn - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:30:01 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60382
Lol I never read your pitch until now but that would have been awesome.
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Vic Fontaine - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:56:01 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcLLfzzKWA

More news.
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:12:29 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60384

22 minutes of ouch.
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:39:20 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60389 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Tribbles Confirmed For Star Trek Discovery

>Alex Kurtzman has confirmed that the new show will include Tribbles

http://archive.is/UZ5Vw

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-tribbles-confirmed/
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Thot Pran - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:03:51 EST ID:9//e7DdE No.60391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60389
Why?

I don't see how it's possible to put a better spin on Tribbles than Trials and Tribble-ations.

Or are we just going to rehash that TOS episode?

Or are we going to have a super serious plague of Tribbles where everyone almost dies and everyone develops a PTSD style instant stabbing reflex to Tribbles?

And why the fuck does nobody write a log entry and put out a security bulletin to the Federation so KIRK FUCKING KNEW THE DANGER OF TRIBBLES!?
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:05:51 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Christian Today article about the "God's sake" ad lib

>it links to an EAS page

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/star.trek.discovery.is.set.in.a.universe.without.god/111279.htm

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/religion.htm
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Thot Pran - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:07:14 EST ID:9//e7DdE No.60393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60391
AND WHY WOULDN'T DEEP SPACE K7 HAVE A STANDING TRIBBLE QUARANTINE CONSIDERING WE DON'T HAVE REPLICATOR FOOD AND IT COULD KILL EVERYONE ABOARD?

No. I cannot accept it. Tribbles flew under the radar, were an unknown threat at the time of TOS and anyone who says otherwise paints the whole federation as fucking retard.
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Thot Pran - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:37:57 EST ID:9//e7DdE No.60394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60393
Okay maybe the Klingons are the ones with the tribble problem. Klingons fucking hate tribbles.
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Guinan - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:49:33 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60382
Yeah, that was some good shit

>>60389
that sounds like the most ingenuine attempt to 'fit canon' I've heard yet
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Admiral T'Lara - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:13:13 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60394
maybe this will be the legend of them obliterating the Tribble homeworld brought to life
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Gul Evek - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 00:07:47 EST ID:PE2ehog9 No.60397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>59458

More Discovery info. Featuring Kurtzman transparently lying his ass off about how they're writing the show. And OMG the new uniforms look cheap and retarded.
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Gul Evek - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 00:09:19 EST ID:PE2ehog9 No.60398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60397

>those boots/sneakers

lolwut
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Gul Evek - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 00:11:54 EST ID:PE2ehog9 No.60399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60397

And I'm retarded and forgot the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcLLfzzKWA
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Pavel Chekov - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 01:31:08 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60399

>part of the video talks about cbs/paramount retaining the license

reminds me of the 1994 Fantastic Four movie.

>Eichinger then informed Sassone that the film would not be released. Speculation arose that the film had never been intended for release, but had gone into production solely as a way for Eichinger to retain rights to the characters

>tldr: they made a shit-tier movie in order to keep the rights to make a better movie later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fantastic_Four_(unreleased_film)#Marketing_and_release_plans
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Herbert Rossoff - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 01:33:25 EST ID:taw/SJIa No.60401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60399

wow, the stuff about the split licensing was really interesting and has made it much clearer why all this is happening.
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Travis Mayweather - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 06:24:55 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60384
>>60399
This makes so much sense. Why hasn't anyone explained the whole dual licensing thing and stipulations with that before? This explains it all.
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Travis Mayweather - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 06:28:00 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60402
Also Netflix is gonna be pissed. They're getting fucked so hard.
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Dexter Remmick - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:46:47 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.60404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60403
can somebody type the explanation. I cannot hear! I want to know the troubles star treks been in about netflix! because I will kill 666 people every 6 days if netflix removes star trek
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Pavel Chekov - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:15:23 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60404
>the show is on cbs streaming
>netflix bought the rights to distribute it outside the US
>netflix paid a shit lot of money
>rumor is they paid enough to cover the whole show
>show is not looking like what they were promised
>netflix thought they were buying into Star Trek
>netflix actually bought in to JJtrek
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Travis Mayweather - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:42:31 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60404
Nah Netflix is gonna keep it. They're just screwed because it looks like CBS already has a back up plan with REAL TREK. Netflix thought they were getting a new badass trek which would have been a great deal, but it turns out they're just funding a big ad for CBS All Access.
Basically the show that Netflix payed for only has half the licensing for Star Trek. The same licensing that JJtrek has. So in a lot of ways they have to deviate from canon because they don't have the licensing for a lot of the Star Trek likeness. But the speculation is that the backup plan (Meyers Star Trek project announcement) will have the full licensing. But I just may be desperate for hope. But the Meyer announcement does kinda make me think that might be the case. But we still don't know if what Meyer is working on is a movie or a series.
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Gul Evek - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:28:32 EST ID:PE2ehog9 No.60408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60404

>As of 2005 the ownership of Star Trek was split between Paramount and CBS
>Paramount owns the TOS movies and can distribute the movies and tv series that were made before 2005
>CBS owns everything else; the brand, the designs, characters, etc
>Paramount would have to purchase a license from CBS if it wanted to make new movies, just like they would have to buy a license for any other product (ie buy a license from Fox to make a Star Wars movie)
>Paramount decided to license an alternate-universe Star Trek and made the JJTrek movies
>the new Paramount movies has to differ tonally and visually from the original Star Trek (maybe they did this to reduce the cost of the license)
>further, CBS cannot use anything from Paramount's JJTrek

>Discovery is being made by Paramount, so it can't use anything from pre-2005 Star Trek

>Star Trek Beyond bombed and Paramount doesn't want to risk money on another movie. If they don't crank out a Star Trek product soon their expensive license will expire. It's being suggested that Paramount is quickly shitting out Discovery just to hang onto the license.
>There is no financial risk because the fee Netflix paid to air Discovery has covered production costs
>everyone involved has done a terrible job of communicating just what the show is going to be about and how it will be written. The confused messages may be deliberate. It's also probably because Chauncy Gardner look-alike Alex Kurtzman is working on the show.
>understanding the walled garden that the licensing drops Paramount into clears up that confusion.
>Discovery is going to be JJTrek Phase 2
>the original showrunner, Brian Fuller, wanted the show to be a part of pre-2005 Trek. He got booted for it.

>Nicholas Meyer is rumoured to be working on his own Star Trek project for 2018, after Discovery is cancelled
>rumoured to be in pre-2005 universe, so it's a CBS project, not Paramount
>???
>profit

tl:dr In 2005, the company called Viacom was split and the ownership of Star Trek was also split. This decision would fuck Star Trek projects for the following 12+ years.
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Admiral T'Lara - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:39:30 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60409 Ignore Report Quick Reply
so it's all a giant hustle?
Well, shit, I guess they really are keeping to Gene's true vision!
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Kolo - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:30:23 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60403
Paramount might be fucked, If they sold the show to Netflix on the idea it was Prime-Star Trek, but was really JJTrek, that's grounds for fraud.
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Travis Mayweather - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 18:44:39 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60410
Yeah I won't be surprised when there is a lawsuit and Netflix wins. This drama is gonna get really juicy here in the next few months. At least that's an upside lol. If paramount sinks because of this, it would be some nice karma in action.
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Captain Kargan - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:08:40 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery Will Include Tribbles Because, At This Point, Sure, Why Not?

>Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Star Trek: Discovery, a weird conglomeration of good impulses and bad choices. What is it about Tribbles that everyone feels the need to include them in their prequels?

>Was it kind of cute when Scotty had one in a cage in Star Trek (2009)? Sure. Was it annoying when they popped up in Enterprise season 2? Yes. Was the magic, bring-back-to-life Tribble blood actually a hell that I am still living in? YES. Was Alex Kurtzman involved in those last two? *Screams “Yes” endlessly into the void*

http://archive.is/aMKxX

https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-discovery-will-include-tribbles-because-at-1797393011
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Emperor Reclaw - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:14:36 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60414 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60413
I think it's just because it's such an easy thing to do. They're just dumb cute little fur balls. It's probably easier to pull off than any other homage to the original series.
That being said, this has gotta stick out like a sore thumb. Like they're talking about how dark the series is, and how characters are gonna be dying, then they're gonna throw a random tribble episode into that? Lol, maybe they'll find a way to give a tribble episode a dark tone.
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Naomi Wildman - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:22:17 EST ID:dHkx7bcP No.60415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60414

Maybe the tribbles will turn carnivorous or something, idk.

Kinda pissed that Paramount and the actors are all like "Yeah we want it to be gritty and dark and heavy!" like, bitch, do you even know the message Star Trek is trying to send? it's supposed to be a little campy and bright and give hope for the future. Life is gritty enough as it is, lemme escape to a cozy yet awesome TV show.
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Malcolm Reed - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:04:59 EST ID:rGe2vLZs No.60417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60415
I think that in a post-GoT world everyone knows that Deep Space Nine was the best and they want more of that.

But DS9 didn't just lay on the darkness, it didn't make it the theme. It was just an inevitable aspect of their outpost war diplomacy.

The Garak and Sisko shit was legit dark and game of thronesey, especially with it being a Captain's log account as if from some forbidden journal of Sam Tarly's secrets.
The best episodes of all second gen trek were about diplomacy though. Diplomacy is the theme. Heavier on the diplomacy than the plotting, which is very not the gritty game of thrones model.

If they were gonna change up the tone so much it really should have been an anthology or just a different style of storytelling within the Star Trek world to express it.

The way I think this show really innovated and made an improvement to the show's format is actually the ringed saucer. Nevermind what it looks like on the outside for now, I know people don't like it. But that ringed section revolutionizes the way we'll be able to perceive the ship from the inside. We'll have cues to contextualize locations in relation to each other and have a better sense of scale throughout.
It's also set up like one of these walled castle cities, which is kinda neat.

I suppose it's something that DS9 originated as well, with the windows that look out across the station pylons.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:35:58 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.60418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60417
The fantastic archetecture of station really helped as well. It was the only time in TV Trek they ever really had good aesthetics IMO.
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DoBa - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 15:40:10 EST ID:F/K5KOPJ No.60419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want ravenous, blood-thirsty Tribbles that invade Qo'noS in the event known as The Great Tribble Hunt. Have a Dr Soong bioengineer them for extra fun. Blood, fangs and furry.
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Kang - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 09:04:38 EST ID:biiaNm91 No.60425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60418
Yeah but it was a physical model, so of course it looks good.

Discovery on the other hand was native 3d, and at a time where it's not too difficult or time consuming to do interior mock-ups and virtual walk around tours.

DS9 would have needed to be HD at least for the exterior architecture to really shine from internal shots. It was something they couldn't fully exploit but the scale of discovery is just so much more friendly to internal shots. (Also continuity flubs)
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Ensign McFarlane - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 09:19:24 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>'Star Trek' Khan Limited Series in Development? Nicholas Meyer Reportedly On Board

>A limited series focused on Khan is supposedly being planned with writer and director Nicholas Meyer.

>focused on Khan

No one has any ideas anymore.

http://archive.is/2YqeP

http://www.christianpost.com/news/star-trek-khan-limited-series-in-development-nicholas-meyer-reportedly-on-board-193875/
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Guinan - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 09:23:02 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60426

Oh well Star Trek was fun while it lasted but they seem hell bent on destroying it with prequel after prequel

RIP dream of a better future, I'll just dream of dying in an explosion instead.
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Leskit - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 09:57:44 EST ID:I7dNfV6u No.60428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60426
If it's Khan's perspective I'm down. Otherwise, fuck no. He's a played out villain that can never hold a candle to the original and Wrath of Khan incarnations.
The only way I'd be down is with a more Breaking Bad style situation where we follow the guy's reasoning, his merits, and the damage done to his psyche in a post eugenics wars situation where he's this pariah.
Maybe we would see some of Khan's humanity as this fallen dictator awoken centuries after his time, trying to lead his tribe of superhuman pariahs.
It would be an incredible way to comment on today's politics if done right.

He's just such a played out villain at this point. Maybe you could try to bring him back to his pre-Cumberbatch glory but fuck off. Try something else.

Every great villain has a consistent internal logic. The madman, the evil man and the absolute xenophobe are crutches for hack writers. Montal-Khan was none of these things. He wasn't on some crusade to destroy ordinary men like some kind of Trek Sauron, he was just indifferent to them. His actions are the actions of an overly intelligent and ambitious person who has come to view his fellow man as an 'other'. Not about his fucking Cumberbatch retard strength and nonsensical revenge plot against the Federation.

This is some good, thought-provoking shit that will probably never see the light of day. But while we are ignorant we can hope.

I love you Cumberbatch and I'm so fucking sorry you had to be a part of this.
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Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 09:59:10 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60426
So is it Khan conquering Earth or is it Ceti Alpha Survivor? Because that's basically the only stories there's room for.

Is is this about honky Khan from the JJverse?
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Ensign McFarlane - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 10:23:51 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60430

I am hoping it is just a rumor and that Nick Meyer is not this stupid.

Star Trek needs a post-nemesis story with new characters and plots. Khan is *not* the anti-Kirk.
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Leskit - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 10:29:53 EST ID:I7dNfV6u No.60436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60435
>Khan is *not* the anti-Kirk
Actually I think Janeway is the anti-Kirk. Along with Sisko being the anti-Picard.

IDK wtf Scott Bakula is.
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Ensign McFarlane - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 11:20:41 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60436
I mean to say that Khan is not Cobra Commander, or Megatron, or the leader of the unkirk brigade.

Shit writers want easy shit to write. Who is the bad guy, make him bad. Ooooh. This is what resulted in Cumberbitch losing whatever respect I had for him.
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Mobara - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 12:10:18 EST ID:1xQnaHb4 No.60438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wouldn't mind a Khan story if they wanted to do something in the Trek setting that wasn't normal Trek.

Hell, Eugenics Wars sounds like a great spot to do your Trek Of Thrones instead of whatever shit they're doing with STD
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Leskit - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 12:19:46 EST ID:I7dNfV6u No.60439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60438
The fact that the Eugenics wars are set in an alternate past at this point is potential out the ass.

The fact that the Eugenics wars happened to be set alongside the rise of the Internet in the 1990's is goddamn GOLD.
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Weyoun 7 - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 09:32:34 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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this looks like a family visiting a disneyland themepark ride.
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Gilora Rejal - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 17:14:56 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60448
>HAHA LOL OMG KLINGONS #DISCOVERY #KLINGONSAREASSHOLES #GRIMTREK #MUDDISAMAINCHARACTER
Fuck this gay earth
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Weyoun 7 - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 18:45:16 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Okay, So Now Star Trek: Discovery Can Say 'God'

>executive producer Gretchen Berg who said that not only is the initial story incorrect, but that the G-word has been said in the show “quite a bit” so far. To be fair, the issue is who says it. The objection writer Kirsten Beyer had was that humans wouldn’t say “God” because Gene Roddenberry’s future contained an Earth devoid of religion.

http://archive.is/ec2WU

https://io9.gizmodo.com/okay-so-now-star-trek-discovery-can-say-god-1797480353
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Weyoun 7 - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 18:48:12 EST ID:jx73MIT5 No.60451 Ignore Report Quick Reply
not linking to it because I don't care enough, but:

> (A plan with commercials costs $5.99 per months, or $6.99 through iPhone and iPad; a commercial-free plan is $9.99 per months, or $11.99 through iPhone and iPad.)
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Kai Opaka - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 20:23:21 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60450
So wait, are they still writing this shit? Shouldn't this have at least finished principal photography by now?
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Kevin Mulkahey - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 20:38:57 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60451
lol god damn
Is it normal for streaming services to charge more depending on what you're watching it on?
That seems absurd
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Kai Opaka - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 21:10:03 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60453
Apple users get charged extra because using Apple products advertises that you're a chump with money to burn.
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Youngblood - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 21:23:38 EST ID:3tDF89b4 No.60455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60453
What's teh justification for this? They had to make an app? lol CBS is fucking clueless.
pic related. poor Mario
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Kevin Mulkahey - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 21:43:03 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60454
Good point
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Guinan - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 03:10:07 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60451
At least they decided to do a commercial free version, but that price tho.. all you get is the big gangbang theory and cookie cutter crime shows.

They are almost certainly going to pull all the trek shows off US Netflix, either right when Discotrash comes out or shortly after, to try to pull all us Trekkies over. This is especially true if they are really using the bad robot licensing and planning to let STD fail in order to promote their stream service and whatever Meyer is making
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Commander Morag - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 23:32:15 EST ID:t9ghhtuF No.60466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60457

If you mean CBS will pull it, nope. Pre-JJ Trek makes them bank every year. They're not going to dump that money to try to prop up a show that everyone thinks is going to be a corpse by Xmas. If you mean Netflix, what they might do is play TNG in the prior timeslot to lead trekkie horses to water. But then maybe they won't do that in case it magnifies how shitty the new show is. Can you imagine watching a TNG ep like Who Watches The Watchers and then staying for Discotrash and trying to sit through an hour of canon-breaking writing played out by people whose uniforms make them look like underfunded space cheerleaders?

The only reason CBS might pull Trek from Netflix is to punish Netflix for something connected to the Discotrash debacle.
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Commander Morag - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 23:37:47 EST ID:t9ghhtuF No.60467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60426
>No one has any ideas anymore.


Meyer has built his writing career on recycling and rehashing other people's work. He's our George Lucas, just with 1000x more pretentiousness and arrogance and a hard-on for Shakespeare and Sherlock Holmes that people love to pat him on the ass for. Neither man has an original thought in his head.
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Lt. JG Saavik - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 01:16:35 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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http://trekmovie.com/2017/08/03/stlv17-designers-explain-why-star-trek-discovery-klingons-are-bald-and-more/

http://archive.is/AEExf

>Why are the Klingons bald?

>Being that the Klingons are an apex predator the design for their anatomy assumes they have highlighted senses, specifically extra sensory receptors running from the top of their heads to their backs. This was the “impetus” with Page and Fuller for the shape of the heads. They started with designing Klingon skulls.

>apex predator

>specifically extra sensory receptors running from the top of their heads to their backs.

WTF is with all the predator/prey shit coming out of this show?
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Guinan - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 01:51:30 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60466
Hasn't Netflix already been punished enough?

>>60467
At least for the OG trilogy Lucas could project the illusion of originality. Also that pic made me lol.

>>60468

>The bald look was also a mandate from Fuller

Fucking stupid lol
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General Martok - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 05:59:56 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60468
Sounds like someone has been reading a little too much Ringworld before writing this stuff.
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 11:14:47 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Why Star Trek: Discovery Is Serialized And Not Episodic, According To One EP

>Co-executive producer Heather Kadin spoke out recently about the change.

>The idea of having a story that continues, to be able to follow these characters through fifteen episodes, not just a weekly mission, but their emotional journey, which I think you can even tell from the clip. It's a really emotional show and I think we get to do that because of the way we're telling the story over all of that time.

http://archive.is/m9Oe0

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1688819/why-star-trek-discovery-is-serialized-and-not-episodic-according-to-one-ep
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 11:16:13 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>'Discovery' Crew Will Be Playable on 'Star Trek' Game Right Away

>As soon as Star Trek: Discovery hits CBS in September, the Starfleet Officers, and Klingons will be playable characters on the mobile game Star Trek: Timelines.

http://archive.is/t9Ifv

https://www.inverse.com/article/35105-star-trek-timelines-discovery-cbs-game-canon-characters-crew
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Burt Ryan - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 13:52:21 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60498
Yeah I saw that they posted this on facebook.
Looks like a lot of their fans aren't too happy about that.
It just screws up the whole timeline. They should just leave Discovery out.
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Yeggie - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 17:32:15 EST ID:dFrADSsN No.60507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60497
There's a guy who keeps getting annoyed about them saying they're doing new stuff that is actually something they did before but this one isn't even obscure or subtle.

>>60468
Wow, those guys failed biology as hard as Braga I guess.

I mean what species is the apex predator on earth? Any omnivorous or carnivorous species that gets to a certain level of technology (I guess it varies with the hostility of the other wild life exactly what level) will be an apex predator. If they can go to space, they have long since passed that point. Humans are apex predators and we did much better than much better equipped more lethal species. As tragic as it is, how many lions and tigers are left?
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Liquidator Brunt - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 22:27:03 EST ID:zjSOHbiO No.60508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60355
Absolute bullshit. Dr. Daystrom programmed M5 to obey the laws of Man AND God. Kirk tells off apollo by saying "we need no Gods, I find the one quite sufficient". On the Roman parallel planet they find out that the "sun worshippers" are actually "son worshipers" who worship the son of God- that planet's Jesus. Sure, Roddenberry probably had to put lines and plots like that to appeal to the execs, and TNG which he had lots of control over in the early seasons became more fedoracore, but their logic for leaving God out is acanonical.
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Thy'lek Shran - Mon, 07 Aug 2017 08:42:12 EST ID:2ANEKjdI No.60510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60508
You reminded me of how stupid Kirk's quasi-enlightened bs sounds.
>We need no Gods except for one God
The whole message is lost amidst the fears of pissing off 20th century religious folks
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Gul Evek - Mon, 07 Aug 2017 09:50:08 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.60511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60508
Not to mention that religion and the idea of a god (or indeed gods) are so ingrained in human society for thousands of years. It's nog gonna dissapear in a couple of centuries, even if religious beliefs themselves "dissapear" people will still have their expressions and curses that reference it.
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Wesley Crusher - Mon, 07 Aug 2017 22:21:00 EST ID:jwrVV7H9 No.60513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The Midnight's Edge channel's crew did a roundtable about Discotrash. Stick it where you need it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57LmReEymG0
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Leskit - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 01:09:06 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Les Moonves Assures CBS Investors First Six Episodes Of ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Are “Terrific”

>Today CBS announced their second quarter earnings with revenue up 9.4% to $3.26 billion. In a call with investors, CEO Les Moonves touted the CBS All Access platform

http://archive.is/35t6d

http://trekmovie.com/2017/08/07/les-moonves-tells-cbs-investors-first-six-episodes-of-star-trek-discovery-are-terrific/
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Leskit - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 01:14:46 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>First Licensees Board 'Star Trek: Discovery'

>“We are excited to bring the iconic world of ‘Star Trek’ back into fans’ homes through this fantastic new series and new product collections,” says Veronica Hart, senior vice president, CBS Consumer Products.

>New licensees for “Star Trek: Discovery” include:
>Simon & Schuster for a worldwide publishing program;
>IDW for comics;
>Titan Entertainment for souvenir magazines;
>Disruptor Beam for a mobile game update to “Star Trek: Timelines”;
>Rubie’s for costumes;
>Eaglemoss for die-cast ship models;
>Trevco for t-shirts in the U.S.;
>Anovos for replicas of the new Starfleet uniforms in the U.S.;
>Rizzoli for calendars in the U.S.;
>McFarlane for figures in the U.S.;
>QMX for prop badges and replicas in the U.S.;
>FanSets for pins in the U.S.;
>Gentle Giant for 3D replicas in the U.S.;
>Danilo for calendars in Europe;
>Pyramid for posters, prints and fan gear in the U.K.;
>Cotton Division for apparel and accessories in France; and
>Impact Rock for posters and prints in Australia.

http://archive.is/KxSui

http://www.licensemag.com/license-global/first-licensees-board-star-trek-discovery
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Persis - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 16:29:42 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60515
haha, I can't wait for all this shit to blow up in CBS's face
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Leskit - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 16:38:00 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>This is Probably the Opening Monologue of 'Star Trek: Discovery'

>As we stand at the edge of an unknown universe, we know our greatest challenges lie before us – that our future is not bound by fear, and that our mission is not to conquer, but to discover. That is our destiny: a destiny written in the stars… and so we boldly go where we have never gone before.

http://archive.is/FBirw

https://www.inverse.com/article/35236-star-trek-discovery-opening-monologue-theme-music-boldly-go
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Persis - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 17:25:12 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's gonna be funny if Bryan Fuller was canned, and they still reshoot it to be a 1 season anthology just in case it doesn't get renewed just like his original idea was.
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Guinan - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 01:14:27 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60522
Basically what Im looking forward to most for Discovery

>>60524
Man that would not only be hilarious but also cathartic as all fuck. It might even cause a spontaneous orgasm.

>>60522
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Michael Jonas - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 01:26:41 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.60531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>59458
My honest observation is that I don't understand why, in terms of timeline, Kirk Era (TOS) and TNG Era (TNG, VOY, DS9) is the only basic dichotomy? Like why not push beyond these two? If we HAVE to keep having the fetish about those two eras why not do something like what happens after DS9... Or. Nemesis. Why not do a thing about the fallout of all that? Dominion War and Shinzon respectively.

I guess I just don't get it.

>tl;dr: s'dumb that everything star trek has to be either kirk era or tng era...
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Jonathan Archer - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 02:51:16 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60531
I think they're just not creative.
A lot of studios have lost their creative edge, especially CBS. They're hardly capable of pulling off a generic sitcom, let alone Star Trek.
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Grilka - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 11:11:16 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery releases new promo teaser

>The steady stream of video and news from Star Trek: Discovery hasn’t waned after the end of Star Trek Las Vegas last week. On Monday, they released a new promotional teaser video which could be a hint at the intro monologue to the show.

http://archive.is/TQMPE

https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2017/08/09/star-trek-discovery-new-teaser/

listening to the voice over of the promo, I am not convinced that Sonequa can actually act.
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Grilka - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 16:28:01 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Seth MacFarlane: ‘The Orville’ Occupies Sci-Fi Space ‘Star Trek’ Left Behind En Route To Dystopia

>“I miss the…aspirational place Star Trek used to occupy,” MacFarlane said. “They’ve chosen to go in a different direction,” he said, describing that direction as dystopian. The aspirational space of early Star Trek, MacFarlane maintained, now is “unoccupied.”

>“They can’t all be Hunger Games,” he said. “There is some space for aspirational.” The Orville, he said is “an attempt to fill that void.”

>archive:
https://unvis.it/deadline.com/2017/08/seth-macfarlane-orville-star-trek-cbs-television-studios-tca-1202144717

http://deadline.com/2017/08/seth-macfarlane-orville-star-trek-cbs-television-studios-tca-1202144717/
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Jonathan Archer - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:31:28 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60537
Wow, Star Trek is so progressive

First female, black lead. It's truly amazing. We've had a female lead, and we've had a black lead, but never both! Truly amazing.
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Guinan - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 19:40:50 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60540
She barely even qualifies as black.. this bitch is more cream than coffee.. and she sounds half retarded.
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Corporal R Ryan - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 20:58:00 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60539
I'm really interested in seeing how this turns out.
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Phlox - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 01:34:10 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60540
The entire hypetrain for STD depends on you having no idea there was Star Trek past TNG.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 03:00:36 EST ID:Evq38th7 No.60545 Report Quick Reply
>>60537
Wait so which one is actually the captain?
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 03:02:54 EST ID:Evq38th7 No.60546 Report Quick Reply
>>60545
Also that video is fucking horrendous, talking to the audience like they just discoverd Star Trek and they're here to explain to us 5-year-olds that everyone should be treated equally. Fuck that fucking video.
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Dr. Yuris - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 03:09:32 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60545
the captain is the asian lady but the lead is the black woman, who i believe is first officer. it seems to imply that it's gonna be like the cage where they throw out the first captain and replace it with the black lady.
>>60546
Agreed. It's so painfully obvious that none of them know shit about the original shows, let alone have any interest or respect for them, and that they didn't even bother to hire writers who knew dick about DICK.
For fucks sake, the least they could have done was hire a bunch of people from the other shows to consult and take their advice.
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Kayron - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 07:01:01 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.60549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60426
Good God Star Trek is getting fucking nostalgia milked harder than fucking Gundam.

Why can't we get something new?
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DaiMon Bractor - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:23:49 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60549
Hopefully Discovery doesn't kill any chance of anything else coming out for a long time.

But it's possible that it could devalue the brand and put CBS in such a hole that they'll sell the IP.

Imagine if Netflix win a lawsuit against CBS and then they're in such a hole that they sell Trek and Netflix picks it up. Oh that's a lovely pipe dream lol.
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Eliminator Leck - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:33:18 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.60555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60549
>Good God Star Trek is getting fucking nostalgia milked harder than fucking Gundam.
somebody get to work on a over the top wuxia hypernationalistic Star Trek AU asap plz
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:14:44 EST ID:Evq38th7 No.60557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60547
Why did the alien say he was sitting in the captains chair?
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Corporal R Ryan - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:34:25 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60557
I'm going to guess he plans to put his ass in the seat the captain usually uses for such purposes.
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General Martok - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:33:10 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60550

>Discovery is The Phantom Menace

this might be ok in the long run.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:56:19 EST ID:Evq38th7 No.60562 Report Quick Reply
>>60560
Whoa
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Dr. Antaak - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 08:57:08 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60562
truly a bold new vision of Star Trek
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Dr. Antaak - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 02:42:39 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>How Star Trek Discovery is Embracing Gene Roddenberry’s Vision

>This series is truly living up to the potential of Roddenberry’s vision, while at the same time possibly throwing that vision into some danger.

>Discovery looks to be a new, exciting part of that legacy, but that legacy could be tainted if only women, characters of color, and LGBT characters die.

http://archive.is/EQNqB

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-diversity-gene-roddenberry/
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Broca - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 03:47:44 EST ID:oSuetvPz No.60581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60580
>Discovery looks to be a new, exciting part of that legacy, but that legacy could be tainted if only women, characters of color, and LGBT characters die.

Jesus fucking christ. I know it's a trope in television that minorities die but fuck. Treat this shit like it's star trek, not fucking Heroes Reboot number 7.
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Broca - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 03:48:40 EST ID:oSuetvPz No.60582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60581
No fucking Social Justice plot armor. They've every right to die brutal, emotionally devastating deaths as Tasha motherfucking Yar.
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Michael Sullivan - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 06:55:04 EST ID:bLCzniK0 No.60583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60582
I always thought that Yar's death was stupidly funny in a 3 stooges slapstick sorta way
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Kevin Mulkahey - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:27:59 EST ID:77z0NCOn No.60584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60583
Yeah she's a terrible example because her death was stupid and in a purely episodic show.
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Arne Darvin - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:37:32 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60585 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60580
>MUH GENE
lol keep it up it really works and improves the show
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Travis Mayweather - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:51:26 EST ID:32QnZv7k No.60588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60582
Though honestly so does everyone else. They should kill the entire crew throughout of the first two or three episodes in a series of devastating sacrifices, tragedies and betrayals and start with a better premise and setting.
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Thy'lek Shran - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 19:01:25 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60585
These people throw Roddenberry's name around like it's the only thing they know about Trek. I've seen more Trekkies slam the dude than worship him. And not because he put blacks in prominent roles, but because they thought his dogma stifled TNG. It's like I'm stuck in a shitty time warp episode, and people are repeating an argument that was already had in the fucking 80's.

And that's exactly the sort of thing that convinces everyone who is into this show that they're outsiders. People with no affiliation to or knowledge of the property making executive decisions based on pop culture knowledge of it. Which is exactly what they are.
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Guinan - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 01:10:18 EST ID:GygX1Icc No.60595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60583
I like that she had a blood splatter on her face that looked like it was painted by a child.. look at that shit;. WHAT THE FUCK

But seriously though her death was pretty laughable

Also.. if Discovery wants to be game of thrones they better be killing off any and every character. No diversity plot armor.

I wanna see that blonde haired gay dude get phased through a bulkhead after the ship goes through a temporal anomaly. I wanna see Michelle Yeoh get shrapneled in the face by an exploding console. We better have at least half the cast dying in very trek ways or I'll mail a box of dead fish to CBS. That better be what they meant by all their GoT DickSuckery
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Jimmy - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 06:36:38 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60595
Wait, that was meant to be blood? I always thought that was Armis' cum or something.
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Tuvok - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 08:35:56 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60600
Yeah, me too. A creature like that killing someone in a way that draws blood seems kind of out of character. Star Trek has always been very bloodless. They had way more awful ways of killing people.

That's one of those things people always kind of ignore about Trek. It's an optimistic future, but the threats they encounter are balls to the wall scary. You get weird ass aliens turning your blood to a liquid polymere, you've got accidents that phase you out of reality to starve to death while you're invisible to all your friends, or you just get stuck in a time loop for potentially forever while you start hearing crazy voices everywhere. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

What's the most terrible thing in GoT? Ramsay Bolton? Dragons? Zombies? You have those things in Trek, except the Ramsay Bolton is a crazy powerful, incorporeal being that's impossible to harm, and the dragons eat starships and planets, and you're lucky if they don't mindfuck you first. And the same goes for the zombies. If you plop a Redshirt into GoT, he'd die laughing at what those people think is terrible.
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Vekma - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 23:31:02 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>“I don't mean to sound irreverent when I say I don't care about the die-hard Trek fans,” he told us at an event in Los Angeles. “I only ‘don't care’ about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other.”

http://archive.is/LePAU

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/star-trek-new-captain-not-care-trekkies-article-1.3404011
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Dmitri Valtane - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:27:21 EST ID:Y5GCsHyL No.60627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60620
Meh. Not the director, not a writer. Not a controversial opinion.

>“It's ‘Star Trek,’ but not as we know it,” he said. “There are places obviously where they’ve observed canon to do with things like uniforms and badges and stuff, but there are places where the rules of storytelling are reinvented.”
>uniforms and badges and stuff
>Enterprise badges
>On every ship
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M'Ress - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 08:14:58 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60620
Someone tell this guy he isn't in a Star Trek show. This shit is getting embarrassing.

And no, I don't think I'll watch it, actually. I'm done with the meme of giving shit "a fair chance". It's only going to piss me off, anyway. This Ferengi thinks that Star Trek is the title, the badge, or the ship. But Star Trek is none of those things. Star Trek is an attitude, and he doesn't have it. But that attitude is timeless, and it's in all of us. Star Trek can, and will be reborn at any random time, from any random source. Maybe it's McFarlane's The Orville. Maybe it's something else. All you need is a bunch of people who loved the original and who actually understand it. It matters fuck all which title they slap onto it.


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