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Star Trek Discovery Discussion: III by Vekma - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:02:35 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Vekma - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:04:22 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>“I don't mean to sound irreverent when I say I don't care about the die-hard Trek fans,” he told us at an event in Los Angeles. “I only ‘don't care’ about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other.”



pastaed from the dead thread for discussion sake
M'Ress - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:11:03 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Turns out I'm M'Ress today. Good. I like cats. Prrr.

To repeat myself: The idea of Star Trek is not beholden to the name, which is just a trademark owned by a bunch of money-grubbing business moguls. This sort of nihilistic nonsense confirms that. The revelling in the anger of people who are... right. How else can you predict their response? You know you're not giving them what they want.

This is basically a direct insult for being a discerning consumer. For liking what Trek was, and expecting more under the same name. If you go to a coffeeshop, are you happy to know that they're actually serving instant decaf? No. This guy is calling you a piece of shit for that attitude.
Commander Suran - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:20:44 EST ID:cUvIYtGT No.60636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
more like dicksuckery amirite
DaiMon Birta - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:48:42 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm guessing this is more of an ego thing.
He already knows that nobody's gonna like him so he's acting like a kid saying "Well I said I don't care so fuck off"
I kinda feel bad for the whole crew. I bet they thought they were getting in on something great.
Syrran - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:02:44 EST ID:YMCmT0Re No.60646 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Edward James Olmos did the same thing during the first press conference for the Battlstar Galatica reboot, although he was far more diplomatic about it.
Noah Lessing - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:40:57 EST ID:WoQW9sCu No.60650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hope that was intentional
if it's not, read that aloud
Etana Jol - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:02:19 EST ID:SlMc3SOc No.60651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> Olmos did the same
Toral - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:47:31 EST ID:4IpzrAqz No.60653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like I said in the dead thread, he ain't the writers or directors. To a certain extent he doesn't have to respect the franchise. He's just gotta be a captain.
Subcommander Almak - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:10:11 EST ID:4oKo+0e2 No.60656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well it' attitudes like that are part of the problem. We as fans (or at least I as a fan) want everyone involved to be passionate about the project and not just treat it like a paycheck. I'm personally sick of my favorite franchises just being seen as a source of easy money.
Karr - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:36:39 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.60658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except he's the captain. All he has to do is be a captain while the script writers and set designers and directors make it Trek.

Avery Brooks didn't have to give a shit about the Trek community's expectations either, and in almost every way he was the opposite of what we had come to expect.
When this turns out to be a shitshow, he's going to be one of the last guys on the list of reasons lol. It's a super minor problem that one of the leads doesn't care about trekness. It could even turn out to be a good thing in that case. It's going to be devastating when the more important aspects of the storytelling and production don't give a shit about trekness.
Leeta - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:59:58 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To me, it seems very obvious that Trek worked because everyone put the effort in. It's no coincidence that that sort of attitude is constantly on display in Trek itself.

When you get people who are just along for the ride, you get Chakotay.
Worf - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:00:18 EST ID:WK73TGGI No.60662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That was really the writer's fault though. Chakotay was a pile of half-ass from start to finish.
Vosk - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:10:20 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Chakotay was a pile of half-ass from start to finish.

Blame this guy: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Jamake_Highwater

tldr: the network trusted a fake indian to tell them indian stuff.
Christopher Pike - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:00:32 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.60669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This reminds me of the story Patrick Stewart told when some local station where they had the studio wanted to do the weather on the set of the bridge of TNG and Stewart got pissed about it as a result of the same integrity.

And I've never heard Garak was gay... that's pretty funny if true...
Gregory Quinn - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:37:27 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Garak is gay
Come on man, how could not tell he want that sweet, sweet Bashir butt
Brathaw - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:44:31 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Captain Jason Isaacs Clarifies Controversial Statements

>Perhaps most controversial of all, Isaacs asserted that the Discovery would “throw away” the legacy of William Shatner and Patrick Stewart

>includes twitter battle between Isaacs and Shatner


Brathaw - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:50:18 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>STAR TREK: DISCOVERY – Part I – An Open Letter to Network & Studio Execs

There is no way to properly tldr this article. A long rant. Worth your minutes, but says everything you already know.


Natasha Yar - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:25:48 EST ID:e4+3iMoR No.60673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
See, coming from an actor I love all of this. Absolutely all of it.

If it were the writing team I'd be ranting right now.
Timothy Lang - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 20:36:05 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60676 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, he's a self-centered prick, so he might fill Shatner's boots quite well...
Krax - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:38:47 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol Isaacs' head is lodged so far up his ass
he should just quit speaking on the internet or have someone else do it for him if he's not responsible enough to word his own thoughts
Admiral William J Ross - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:47:26 EST ID:HTwlSP09 No.60680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Exactly, my dude.
Captain Paul Rice - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:46:07 EST ID:PU+0MICM No.60681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's what you get for hiring a deatheater.
Senator Vreenak - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:09:41 EST ID:bG7T1enp No.60682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm just going to be the first to make this prediction: they are going to pull the same bullshit with Michelle Yeoh that Star Wars did with Donnie Yen. "Oh, an international superstar, expert in martial arts? Let's give them a few hokey lines of dialogue and one quarter-assed fight scene against a few nameless baddies."

I was hyped as FUCK for Donnie to have some badass scenes, I am sure the same disappointment awaits with Michelle.
Jaresh-Inyo - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:56:11 EST ID:Ppi/R+Gb No.60687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah but if she kicks ass how are they going to explain the state of melee combat by TOS? Or will she just get beaten up by people putting their 2 fists together and thumping her with it?
Senator Pardek - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:34:16 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wire-work kirk-fu
like, double spinning 360 fistthumps
DaiMon Solok - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:38:35 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I bet she dies in the first episode.
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:52:41 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery boss hints at "Klingon war" in season 1 – and what's to come in season 2

>"Each season needs to be about a different thing," he said. "I wouldn't necessarily want to bring the Klingon War into season two.

>"However, the results of the war are going to allow for a lot of new storytelling that will be the result of everything that happens and the people that are left behind; the casualties, the things that have grown in Starfleet as a result of the war. That's what we'll inherit in the second season."


Sarek - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 00:35:41 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Jason Isaacs 'Dares' Skeptical Trekkies To Watch 'Star Trek: Discovery'

>"I don’t mean to sound irreverent when I say I don’t care about the die-hard Trek fans." Isaacs revealed. "I only 'don’t care' about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other."


James T Kirk - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 00:39:04 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol these thin-skinned fucks
Ambassador Thoris - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:24:40 EST ID:uM9K5JYi No.60724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love how these actors believe it's a forgone conclusion that they are going to have a job beyond a year.
Seskal - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:36:35 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Or ever again. None of these people need to work in film ever again as far as I am concerned.
Kevin Mulkahey - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 22:36:15 EST ID:gsKIAjNm No.60732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>what's to come in season 2
Harry Mudd - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:55:17 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>WATCH: T’Kuvma Pledges To “Remain Klingon” In Latest ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Trailer

>They are coming… atom by atom. They will silence us… cell by cell. Our souls shall become theirs. We must fight for one thing… above all… to remain… Klingon.

Link to tweet: https://twitter.com/startrekcbs/status/901127180180115457


Harry Mudd - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:56:15 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
two things: 1) sounds like a video game trailer. 2) region locking is one of the worst things on earth, I would fight a war to stop it.
Major J Hayes - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:37:44 EST ID:bAvWXNO+ No.60750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't realize the new Star Trek was supposed to be a AAA gaming title
K'Ehleyr - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:02:52 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Looks good but I'm gonna wait to buy it until it's on sale on Steam.
Katherine Pulaski - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:16:56 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>A Variety cover story on the latest Star Trek franchise revealed just how much each episode of the series costs to make — between $8 and $8.5 million, making the show one of the most expensive in television history.

>For now, though, CBS CEO Les Moonves is the only person executive producer Aaron Harberts is worried about reaching.

>"Our metric right now is Les Moonves saying, 'I've watched the first six episodes, and I love them," Harberts said. "That's the metric at the moment."


Katherine Pulaski - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:18:39 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Two More 'Star Trek: Discovery' Seasons Already In Planning

>Discovery showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg reveals that the producers “have a road map for season two and the beginnings of one for season three.”


Kai Winn - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:41:35 EST ID:kAdRt3JA No.60763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>making the show one of the most expensive in television history.
lol but they tried to lowball Michael Dorn
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:41:56 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>who the fuck is Les Moonves?
>He became Chairman of CBS in February 2016

>In February 2005, Moonves was identified as the executive directly responsible for ordering the cancellation of UPN's Star Trek: Enterprise and the ending of the 18-year revival of the Star Trek television franchise

>Moonves is a great-nephew of Paula Ben-Gurion, wife of David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel

>He practices Transcendental Meditation, and has said, "It puts me in a calm state, which I'm not always in.

>On December 10, 2004, Moonves got a court to grant an early divorce.[36] Tired of waiting, Moonves' motion cited a "desire to return to the status of being single". 13 days later in Mexico, he married Chen.


Wow this dude is a fucking scumbag.
Captain Kargan - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:05:35 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Considering his ties to Israel he sounds like a sock puppet.
Sphere Builder - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:19:19 EST ID:c4T44y1i No.60767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Wow this dude is a fucking scumbag.

Why? Because he cancelled Enterprise? That was a mercy killing. Blame Berman for running the entire franchise into the ground, not this guy for being to read the writing on the wall.

Or hate him for shortcutting his divorce? Because respectable men prefer long divorces?

He sounds like a determined, aggressive, dickish man. Hugbunnies rarely get to Chairman. Calling him a scumbag is trying too hard.
Natima Lang - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:34:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He doesn't know the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek and he's the one responsible for this shitfest that is Discovery.

I think it is you that is trying too hard.
Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:47:13 EST ID:hSe7xgue No.60769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>called Sphere Builder
>doesn't like ENT
Actually though if they'd put it down during season 3 it'd be a mercy killing. But the show got good once he decided to shit can it and let the producers do what they want. If his meddling wrought the Xindi arc then it's a bad sign he's involved.

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation.
Harry Kim - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 17:31:22 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Kol is a member of the House of Kor. We know Kor is an important Klingon who will come into conflict with Kirk

>House of Kor

Why can't they write new stories with new characters? This makes it seem like there are only 30 people in the Star Trek universe.
William T Riker - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 22:14:27 EST ID:bIYZBEkL No.60782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>This makes it seem like there are only 30 people in the Star Trek universe.

Fans are guilty of this, too, when they play connect-the-dots with every little thing, like arguing that V'Ger is some kind of Borg refugee. Maybe the show is better off if we don't make every single character a cousin.
Dr. Denara Pel - Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:17:01 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Fans are guilty of this, too

Fans are not being paid millions of dollars to produce new content.
Third of Five - Sun, 03 Sep 2017 23:48:57 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Sonequa Martin-Green Calls 'Star Trek: Discovery' A "Solution To Today's Problems"

>Being able to be a part of what I like to call 'the solution' to today’s problems, I mean, there are lots of solutions but being one of them is a big deal."

>Jason Isaacs, recently revealed he took the job as a way to process the current political and social climate. "The world is complicated and horrible." Isaacs explained. "And I don’t know how to explain to my children the insanity of the people who are in charge of it at the moment. I thought it was a good story to tell — and something I would be happy to watch — about presenting a vision of the world that’s full of drama but also full of resolution and unity."


Willie Hawkins - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 14:50:46 EST ID:aGXOTlyw No.60807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe this dummy should let kids be kids instead of trying to inform them of their political salt
Leonard McCoy - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 03:19:31 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.60811 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I'd say season 2 would've been a mercy killing. While the Xindi arc wasn't perfect it was much more enjoyable than the first two seasons and actually got me somewhat invested.
Talok - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 13:22:15 EST ID:hSe7xgue No.60813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel like the Xindi arc should have been half as long, less laboured and it might have been enjoyable. I just found it dragged. Season 4 had one story that cool every 3 episodes. Season 1 and 2 were weak. They were like S1 and 2 TNG without the good or great episodes (though admittedly it's more like "the two pretty good episodes in season 1 and the good and great episodes in season 2"). A few of them were mediocrity with flashes of something more. At least when TNG did shit it did it so well it's entertaining in it's own right. I wonder if The Room was a homage to "I want to break the prime directive but god won't let me". I wonder if he should have questioned god's desire to kill Wesley but even Picard can't be perfect all the time.
Keiko O'Brien - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 17:14:03 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery will continue the venerated sci-fi tradition of using a fantastic setting to tackle real-world issues — only in a bigger way than any Trek series has done before

>“The allegory is that we really started working on the show in earnest around the time the election was happening,” showrunner Aaron Harberts says. “The Klingons are going to help us really look at certain sides of ourselves and our country. Isolationism is a big theme.

>Racial purity is a big theme. The Klingons are not the enemy, but they do have a different view on things. It raises big questions: Should we let people in? Do we want to change? There’s also the question of just because you reach your hand out to someone, do they have to take it? Sometimes, they don’t want to take it. It’s been interesting to see how the times have become more of a mirror than we even thought they were going to be.”


Ensign Hogan - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 21:01:56 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Kimara Cretak - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 21:53:11 EST ID:4JJOVuNj No.60851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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what the fuck?
Jimmy - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 22:38:11 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hahahaha holy shit this gets better and better
Badar N'D'D - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 10:53:47 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60856 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>how to heal a divided nation

>let's make the half that won the election into the bad guys
Badar N'D'D - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 11:44:11 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Likens Trump Supporters to Racist Klingons

>Producers of the new, Internet-only Star Trek series say their new Klingon warriors are allegories for racist Trump supporters.



CBS threw star trek into the trash to make a hackneyed and 1 dimensional anti-trump screed. Sad!
Badar N'D'D - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 11:45:12 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60858 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>breit bart filters to KKK

This isn't helping either. nb.
Elim Garak - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 16:59:46 EST ID:R6W8mQ9G No.60859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lmao that's great
Prophet - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 20:14:41 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.60860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Now thats a fucking automod, rofl.
Minuet - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 20:34:31 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.60862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>quick internet search
Why are there no klingon pepes? You've had five years to get this shit sorted out.
Iliana Ghemor - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 00:13:39 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
EAS has started writing about Discovery despite earlier statements that they wouldn't:



no archive because EAS is bomb and you should just visit it.
Dr. Mizan - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 04:37:47 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because pepe is without honour.
Ambassador Shras - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 12:48:43 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Latest ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Promo Features New Footage…And Depeche Mode

>This one features a few bits of new footage along with music from Depeche Mode’s “Where’s The Revolution.”


Janice Rand - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 20:57:16 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.60870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Depeche Mode
They know what they're doing
Simon Tarses - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 08:24:27 EST ID:DMbI2BD1 No.60878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm waiting for the plotline where Section 31 thinks the Klingon hacked the Federation election.
Legate Damar - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:48:19 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek Discovery brings wartime drama to space

>This won't be the Trek you're used to -- and that's the point.

>If war's not your thing, don't fret. "Discovery" will wrap up the conflict by the end of its 15-episode first season.

>Harberts called Lorca a mysterious character, which suggests that your opinion of him will change over the course of the show.

>Linguists will appreciate the fact that he based his southern accent on an amalgam of dialects from different states, assuming that in the future, those borders will have faded.

>Stamets and Culber are the first gay couple to be featured in a Star Trek series. When the viewers first see them, they'll have already been together for years -- so there's no Ross and Rachel will-they-won't-they dynamic here.

>Chieffo has heard the criticism of the different look of the Klingons, and said there's an explanation that fits with the broader continuity of Star Trek. She noted that the Klingons of "Discovery" don't have hair because their sensors are on the back and behind the ears.

>Chieffo promised that you'll see a lot of scenes from the Klingon perspective, so there's no true villain in this show.



Yeoh uses her native accent but the britshit fakes 'redneck'? ...
Yeggie - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:08:14 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Linguists will appreciate the fact that he based his southern accent on an amalgam of dialects from different states, assuming that in the future, those borders will have faded.
I wouldn't expect an American to get beyond "generic British accent". You don't need to make elaborate lies to hide this.
Gul Macet - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:59:45 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.60885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whatever he sounds like it can't possibly hold a candle to Jared Harris in The Expanse. It's the strangest amalgam of accents. It's most similar to the Hong Kong accent, as that's pretty much the kind of accent that would develop in a multi-national port city or a culturally diverse asteroid belt outpost over a few hundred years.

Jennifer Sisko - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:51:48 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Captain Tel-Peh - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:09:57 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You haven't got shit on this.


She sounds like a composite put together syllable by syllable.
Brok'tan - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 20:32:46 EST ID:wJOzejd2 No.60888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She's just a chinese valley-girl cross. She's mixing some other forms of English in there but there's no third or fourth influence from other languages lol. She couldn't tell the difference between canadians, west coast americans and east coast americans and just learned them all without learning the distinction.

She literally does sound like three different computer voice accents randomly switching between each other though.
Commander Tebok - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 12:49:30 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Klingons in ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Not Based on Trump Supporters, CBS Says

>CBS is denying that recent statements by “Star Trek: Discovery” co-showrunner Aaron Harberts imply that the Klingons in the upcoming series are based on supporters of President Donald Trump.


Commander Tebok - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 12:54:49 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery's Captain Lorca Is Apparently Hiding Some Creepy Secrets

>the ship's brig is also called "Lorca's menagerie," and that Lorca "is a student of war, in addition to being a Starfleet captain." During the set visit, Harberts also said that Lorca will actually spend a lot of his time working in his menagerie, which has secured access, as opposed to his office or on the bridge.

>the set visit also revealed that Lora's office is home to a battle map showing active conflicts between the two groups, it sounds like things escalate pretty quickly. And, when I add those two things with Lorca's "work" in his "menagerie" and his "disturbing" secrets, I come up with a whole lot of experimenting on prisoners.


Commander Tomalak - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:46:13 EST ID:rUoCQP0r No.60898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This is the final nail in the coffin. This shit isn't Star Trek. This is JJTrek v2. Take Star Trek names and shapes and then jam a bunch of whatever into it. In this case it sounds like some fucked up The Wire shit. I'm not even going to watch the pilot.
James T Kirk - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:45:00 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well it depends. The captain might also be the bad guy or at least "the guy who means well but is actually dumb" that regular stalwart trek antagonist and I think this is likely. If he's an edgy ambiguous morally grey not enemy the whole arc then that'd be about as bad as it gets though.
Jonathan Archer - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:14:15 EST ID:L6JbTdXo No.60902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This might be a stretch, but maybe they're setting him up to be replaced by the XO or something because he's such an evil asshole.
And that interview blurb of the actor hating on the original trek or w/e is just a marketing ploy.
Deanna Troi - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:18:00 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Furel - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:30:37 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dialect does die out with increased transportation and mobility, though. I don't speak my village's dialect, nor do I speak in the accent of the city where I live. But new ones do spring up, and I probably sound very much like the typical student, because that's the environment I hang out in. That's kind of how accents work. So we'll always have them, because there are only so many people you can hang out with. That's why class-based accents tend to endure, I guess. The village dialects have died out, but posh people still have their own typical way of speaking.

I always found it to be a glaring bit of backwards "progressivism", if you will, that TNG mentions languages as dying out completely. You'd expect the Federation to care about stuff like that. In my own country we have a minority language that's the only remaining part of that population with a large number of speakers, exactly because the deal in getting that province to be part of the kingdom was ensuring cultural protection. Their language is taught in schools, and immigrants to the province are encoured to learn it. Our neighbouring countries didn't do that, and they have a few thousand speakers of that language at best. We have hundreds of thousands, enough to ensure that the dialects of that language still endure as well.

Of course, to any outsider a typical accent might just sound like the majority accent. My mother speaks with an, for all intents and purposes, dead accent, and it sounds like generic British to everyone not in the know.
Katogh - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:31:47 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Found this on a random forum while looking for discotrash leaks. Somewhat related.
Sphere Builder - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:34:12 EST ID:rUoCQP0r No.60908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And The Wounded. Sometimes there were damaged Starfleet officers. But to have the captain the hero ship be a distressed supercunt? One of Roddenberry's mandates, the one that pissed off the TNG writers so much, was that humanity was over its bullshit. This show seems to want to put Buffalo Bill in the center seat. One could argue that this is pre-TNG and pre-TOS and there's wiggle room to have fucked up crew, but I think that misses the point of the franchise.
Dr. Mora Pol - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 02:20:44 EST ID:uh9UqUg0 No.60911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It definitely misses the point of the franchise. I don't even thing you could argue there is wiggle room to have a captain like that because its pre-TOS because its definitely post-ENT and its not like Archer converted the bring into Mengele's ready room. Things were a little less cut and dry but nothing like this. You can't just completely change everything, do whatever you want, slap the Trek name on it, and it be Trek because its more than that. No matter how hard they want to try to shoehorn SJW propaganda into the series and say its fine because that's what Trek is all about its not at all. Its not unifying, its not progressive, its divisive as fuck. A lot of people these days would probably call me racist, though I don't think I am, but I've seen DS9 like 5 times at least and the other series at least 3 times each and love most of the "minority" characters (fuck Chakotay) and don't even really see them that way because its done in such a way that they are just people. Sisko isn't "the black guy" he's just a dude. Janeway isn't a woman on a mission to battle misogyny she's just a nutcase lost in space. We've moved passed all that shit by then and that's kind of why it works.

They have these diverse characters and they have these poignant social commentary episodes but they do it in such a way that sometimes you don't even realize it when its happening right in front of you and by the time the episode is over you're just like, "damn" which is the polar opposite of they way it seems they want to go about it in Discovery with everything so in your face its just unbearable to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if they had an episode about the Klingons thinking the UFP contaminated the water and turned the tangqa' gay. You're not going to win people over or unify anyone if you go about it the way they are. You're just going to alienate half the population and increase the divide when you could have had a little bit of tact and might have actually changed some people's minds.

Honestly I just wish they would release it already and get it over with. I feel like the more time that passes and the more I see about it the more pissed off I'm going to get and maybe its not actually going to be as awful as I think. It just sucks because I was so excited when it was first announced and it could have been amazing but instead we get this.
Mezoti - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 03:15:49 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60912 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Going into TNG, Lavar Burton was the most famous member of the cast. People expected him to be the star.


>A lot of people these days would probably call me racist

Maybe they wouldn't call you racist if you didn't bring up how not racist you are even when that isn't the topic?
Katogh - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:49:48 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>if you didn't bring up how not racist you are even when that isn't the topic?

Forced diversity quotas are racist. You are a racist if you refuse to admit this. You are a racist if you call other people racist when they question forced (racist) diversity quotas. Racist. NB.
Ba'el - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:40:52 EST ID:Rzs08U1p No.60914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
but where do they get Spock from
Temporal Agent Daniels - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:06:08 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't see how it's related, except for trying to draw a false parallel between the fan responses. But TNG was being made by the same guy who made TOS. The one actual point that's brought up is, frankly, correct: TOS was made by the chemistry between the characters, though it's a glaring error to point out the energy between Kirk and Spock while leaving out McCoy. TNG wasn't a reboot or prequel, and it wasn't made in an atmosphere of shitty reboots and prequels. Neither were people inundated by constant assertions that "this is not your daddy's Trek" and other virtue signalling intended to appeal to non-fans.

Most worries about discotrash are far more founded in reality. Contrast that with the fact that the same people are perfectly willing to acknowledge that a Seth McFarlane comedy show with immature humour is carrying the Trek torch.

Let's be real here: Sisko WAS "the black guy" more than any other Trek character. However, his blackness wasn't used as a weapon to either sell something or shut people up. It was a character trait. He was a Captain, a father, a baseball fan, and a black guy. And frankly, I think Janeway sucked precisely because they tried to write a "strong female protagonist" and failed horribly at it, interpreting that imperative as not being allowed to have her be wrong, to let her fail, or to let her rely on others. Janeway seems fake because the show is written around her. I've watched episodes that seemed to be about one character, only to have Janeway take over halfway through and have the plot bend over backwards to put her in the spotlight while, frankly, it should have been another character. The fact that VOY characters are all anemic and get little screentime has to do with Janeway having to hog all the attention. In my opinion.

Just think about it. When is Janeway ever in a vulnerable position? That's right. Fucking never. Kirk, Picard and Sisko get bent over a barrel more often than I can count, because adversity is a great way of showing the inner convictions of a character. But for Janeway, there's always a magical third path. Just do whatever. She is never out of control, not even once. And then she makes some horrible, gloating remark to her enemies, helpless before the power of plot advancement.

Christ, I hate that character.

Look, when people try to sell a show with their diversity, that automatically gives people license to be critical of the ploy. If they just cast a bunch of people, and fans start picking out the blacks, browns, and yellows without prompting, THEN you can complain about racism. I mean, the people who said about Tuvok that they didn't think a black guy could play a Vulcan, that was racism. Tiny, harmless racism that was ultimately quelled by Tim Russ doing such a damn good job at the role. But if he hadn't, people would have felt validated in their racism, which would have been shit.
Tallera - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:19:07 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.60917 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Thanks for understanding the point I was trying to make. It made sense in my head but I guess I could have worded it better. I'm not as eloquent as some of you guys. I'm just a chef that loves Trek.

>Let's be real here: Sisko WAS "the black guy" more than any other Trek character.

I mean, I guess that is true I just never really saw him like that.

>However, his blackness wasn't used as a weapon to either sell something or shut people up. It was a character trait. He was a Captain, a father, a baseball fan, and a black guy.

and I guess that is why. He was just a dude that happened to be black. It was part of who is was and obviously I was aware of it but I never felt like it was really an issue or that he was there just because he was a black guy either in universe or by the people working on the show and I don't feel like it was ever exploited.

>I think Janeway sucked precisely because they tried to write a "strong female protagonist" and failed horribly at it, interpreting that imperative as not being allowed to have her be wrong, to let her fail, or to let her rely on others. Janeway seems fake because the show is written around her. I've watched episodes that seemed to be about one character, only to have Janeway take over halfway through and have the plot bend over backwards to put her in the spotlight while, frankly, it should have been another character. The fact that VOY characters are all anemic and get little screentime has to do with Janeway having to hog all the attention. In my opinion.

I always thought of Janeway as just a mid-level commanding officer on a not super important ship who would have had a pretty menial life had they not gotten snatched up by the Caretaker. She was somewhat competent in regular tasks but not an outstanding officer and wasn't particularly noteworthy. She got thrown in way over her head, she kind of locked down, and went a bit nuts. Which, honestly, is not that unreasonable considering the situation though we only really have the Equinox to compare it to they didn't do well either. I attribute most of their success to be in spite of Janeway and not because of her and to a fair bit of luck. If it wasn't for her crew Voyager would have been destroyed before the first season was halfway through. Had Ransom had the same ship and luck the roles could have easily been reversed.
Mezoti - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:31:06 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well obviously Spock was some sort of gay robot elf, and Geordi has weird robot binoculars.


Every trek cast has been deliberately diverse. The only difference now is that we have a bunch of talentless blogers to repeatedly point it out, and people like you, whose obsession with the issue makes you an elegant foil for their politically correct grandstanding.

I wasn't calling anyone a racist.
Quark - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:05:56 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wouldn't go as far as "ever", but yeah they generally didn't make a point of it outside of that time he bitched about the holodeck and the time that one guy said jolly african-american
Thot Pran - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 07:06:29 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're being an ass. You engaged Dr. Mora Pol with language that kind of implied he might be racist, and now you're talking shit about me because I responded to that. You started this conversation. If you don't want to have it, don't have it. But we've both talked about it just as much as the other, so if I'm obsessed with it, you definitely are. So take your ad hominems somewhere else.
Commander Donatra - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 09:26:10 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>talentless bloggers
>people like you
Look in a mirror, jesus. The people who won't stfu about race and racism are you and your blogger chums.
>I wasn't calling anyone a racist
That's a lie.
Commander Donatra - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:58:19 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>CBS Won't Allow Any Reviews of Star Trek: Discovery Before It Airs

>Welcome, friends, to the story that never ends: it’s Star Trek: Discovery and the flaming nightmare pile that has been every bit of PR for this show. It could be great, it could be bad, it has been impossible to tell. And it will remain impossible to tell, since CBS has reportedly made it a condition of seeing the show early that no reviews be released until Discovery airs.

>And that’s usually a bad sign.


Corporal R Richards - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:36:18 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not surprising in the least. Just an other sign among thousands that this is a massive shitshow.
Ambassador Soval - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:26:30 EST ID:vSUmAsFq No.60929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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They've put themselves into a Ghostbusters 2016 situation. The people making the show have fixated on a PC checklist that includes visibly repudiating sexism and sexuality. Reviews will probably split between reviewers who don't give a shit about that and look past it, reviewers on the PC bandwagon and KotakuInAction reviewers who call it utter shit. If you cut off all early reaction you maximize the chances of everyone watching the premiere.

It is so fucking bizarre that a 21st century tv show is twisting itself into knots like this. The last Star Trek production that stuck to a list of content was Generations. That time it was imposed by the studio. I wouldn't call Generations shit or unwatchable. I would call it a mess that fortunately had some master craftsmen on both sides of the camera to prop it up. But that list was about themes and some plot points. The list wasn't about virtue signalling and injecting conflict where it canonically doesn't belong. This show turning out to be good will be only slightly less shocking than Trump winning the election.
Ishka Moogie - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 15:31:18 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60932 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Which chromosome are you missing that made you think I agreed with people I called "talentless"?
I.G. Keval - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 16:58:01 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.60933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Media relations really need to shut the fuck up. Let people come up with their own interpretations of your allegory, don't make it a preacher's pulpit.

I mean, I have allegories in my ideas too, but it's less 'hey how would Captain Picard deal with trans bathroom issues' and more 'Nika Riots but with GOLDEN PSYCHIC SPACE ELVES IN SPAAAAAACE'
Quark - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 18:52:45 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
when even Gawker won't front for your bullshit you probably need to just hang it up
Neelix - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 23:33:50 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The ornate vessel is decked out in the coffins of the Klingon dead like a posh cousin to Serenity prepping to enter Reaver space. And the crew, many have pointed out, look quite a bit different from the Klingons of their future.

>“The outside of the ship is covered in thousands of coffins. Some are 300 years old, some are just two days old,”

>This new fascination with not only caring for the dead but using their stone coffins to literally shield their ship is a complete departure from anything we've seen in Star Trek before.


Neelix - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 00:02:23 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60936 Ignore Report Quick Reply

EAS responds to the Klingon design / coffin ship

>The new information from Sullivan confirms what has been speculated about for months, that T'Kuvma's Klingons with their heavily decorated costumes and their cathedral-like starship, are some kind of forgotten sect, rather than "regular" Klingons. Whether the idea of "clerical" Klingons in a flying graveyard (the coffins of revered warriors affixed to the hull as easy targets?!) makes any sense is something up to Discovery to prove. In any case it doesn't make sense that Ted Sullivan refers to hairless Klingons as an exception, although Kol, member of the House of Kor, doesn't have hair either and overall looks like T'Kuvma, just with gray skin. My apprehension is that all Klingon houses in the series will look like this species (and may have weird technology and designs never seen before), by which Discovery will ultimately set itself apart from the rest of Star Trek as a total reboot.

>Regardless of the still existing slim chance to reconcile T'Kuvma and the sarcophagus ship with canon, I just hate the style of everything shown so far related to the Klingons. It is easily the worst production design ever conceived for an alien race of Star Trek. The sarcophagus ship from the outside and from the inside, the costumes of T'Kuvma and the "Torchbearer" and the Klingon props are all totally overdesigned. The designs are purely decorative. There are ornaments everywhere, different kinds of ornaments side by side and ornaments inside ornaments inside ornaments. Rather than alien, much of it looks like pieced together from various Earth's artistic periods such as Gothic, Baroque and some ancient Chinese, in a cut-and-paste fashion without an aesthetic or artistic eye. I can't take those overblown Klingons seriously. I hope that the other houses, even if they should be the same new species as T'Kuvma's, will have more tasteful, more practical and recognizably Klingon styling.

Ghee P'Trell - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 00:40:52 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.60937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watching this series develop was like watching trump in his first few months in office

"it surely cant get worse than this" *next day* "oh sweet fuck..."
Geordi La Forge - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 02:50:01 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.60938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The problem is current canon suggests that *modern* Klingon beliefs do not care about dead bodies at all.

They have been strip mining existing films & shows for anything that would make the existence of a "coffin ship" reasonable. The only thing they've come up with is a "Mummification Glyph" (Voyage Home) and "Ak'voh" (DS9). Both of which were supposed to be from the ancient times.

Making it a "long forgotten sect" seems just like they are doubling down now after so many people pointed that out.
Geordi La Forge - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 02:53:05 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.60939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It may reflect an earlier conception of the journey to Sto-vo-kor. Alternately, it may have been something Worf made up entirely to make amends with O'Brien, as he did when inventing the gik'tal to test Sito Jaxa.
Persis - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:26:01 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The design of the discotrash Klingons reminds me of the Necromongers from Riddick most of all. They also had a highly ornamental style, and especially their armour looks very similar. The whole deal with them being a superserious death cult where no-one ever smiles kind of drives it home. Do you think that's going to be their schtick? They're carrying those bodies because they need to drop them off at the afterlife somewhere, just like the Necromongers were, apparently, looking for a real place where they could become half undead creeps?
Keiko O'Brien - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:16:09 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly strapping bodies to the hull is pretty fucking metal.

They probably can't even use that DS9 thing if the "It's a movie license bullshit production" thing is true.

if I were EAS I would find some reason to be unavailable for a year or so and just dodge covering this clown show.
Neelix - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:38:09 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>pretty metal
Yeah but Klingons? The main failing of Discotrash seems to be retconning everything that has a recognizable "brand". They could have just made up some new race.

He posted a while back saying he was *not* going to do any updates to his site until the show was finished running, because he didn't want to keep up with whatever the hell STD is doing. Looks like he can't help himself. I am thankful, EAS is a great site.
Douglas Pabst - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:12:26 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery Is In Prime Timeline, “Apparent Discrepancies” Will Be Explained

>“Yes, Discovery is in the Prime timeline,” wrote Mack. “Apparent ‘discrepancies’ will be addressed/resolved. It works.”

>“Yes it is in the Prime timeline. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.”, what will matter most is how good the show will be, and that was the main subject of the twitter dialogue.

>“Want to know my prediction for what’s coming on @starrekcbs? Here it is: THE BEST FIRST SEASON OF A STAR TREK SERIES, =EVER=.”


Douglas Pabst - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:15:58 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>'Star Trek: Discovery' showrunners on boldly going somewhere new with the fabled space franchise

>“We had out first meeting with Michelle Yeoh [Capt. Georgiou] on election day and we were both wearing our ‘I voted’ stickers,” recalls Harberts. “She said, ‘What do you think is going to happen?’ At that point, we didn't really know, but we were obviously seeing sentiments during the entire election that did make us [ask], ‘Do we [even] have to look much further than our own backyard to start thinking about themes, to start thinking about conflicts, to start thinking about ideologies that are in dire opposition to each other?’ [The campaign] certainly provided us with a pretty dynamic and provocative backdrop.”


Greer - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:07:55 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.60945 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just imagine if they took all the work they've done bullshitting about their shitty half-assed show, and instead put it into their show
Neelix - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:35:56 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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my bartender said to me "but what if it's awesome?" and I had to consider it, despite my committed belief to the contrary.

anyway what if pic related is not a typical transporter but some kinda interdimensional timey wimey shit?
Captain Goroth - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:18:58 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wait so that's supposed to be the transporter? It looks like jet engines are about to turn them into a red mist..
M'ret - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:06:36 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No stop it CBS what are you doing
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:48:29 EST ID:fPj4DhfJ No.60949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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They've abandoned any sense of connection with the architecture and design heritage of either timeline. They're back to saying it's the Prime timeline? That's nice, but the set design looks like it belongs in 4th season Battlestar Galactica. How is there any generational flow between what we've seen and ENT and TOS and TNG? There isn't.
Ensign Robin Lefler - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:18:33 EST ID:Vgh6xG6y No.60955 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You mean it looks like car mats and foldable windshield reflectorS?
Krem - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:27:15 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
how much did each episode cost?
floor mats?
Lt. George Primmin - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:44:45 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A Variety cover story on the latest Star Trek franchise revealed just how much each episode of the series costs to make — between $8 and $8.5 million, making the show one of the most expensive in television history.
all that for so little
Hadley - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:47:30 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.60958 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lol reminds me of that poster a while back who was like a contractor and worked in HVAC, and he always noticed the props in the background of star trek (from TOS up to JJTrek) all used some shitty ventilation pipes as a prop and it drove him crazy because he couldn't unsee it
Duras - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 21:06:54 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Geordie's VISOR is a Cadillac air intake filter or something.
Montgomery Scott - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 21:08:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
iirc the universal translator display in ENT is just Adobe Audition (then Cool Edit Pro)
Tavek - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:02:30 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hell, half the buttons on the computer in TOS were straight up gummies.
Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:37:45 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Jonathan Frakes Just Revealed A Big 'Star Trek: Discovery' Spoiler

>According to Frakes, Star Trek: Discovery will pay a visit to Star Trek’s mirror universe.


Tavek - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:50:31 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is the twist going to be the Mirror universe of STD is the proper Prime universe?
Montgomery Scott - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:19:00 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
dammit riker get off the fucking holodeck
Administrator V'Las - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:10:13 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.60969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Tokath - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:49:02 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>“War being the most heightened, high-stakes situation we’ve ever come across, the question is often asked, what do you do with your enemy?” says Isaacs. “How much can you empathize with your enemy? How much do you need to kill them, because they’re trying to kill you? Lorca’s relatively simple on that front. He’s a very good wartime leader. You can’t spend too much time… you have to dehumanize them, or else you’ll let them kill you.”

>“The Federation mandate, as we discover in The Original Series, is much more peaceful, and they might have been steamrolled,” he says. “But luckily, this is pre-them. I’m in charge, and I take no prisoners.


Brathaw - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:56:23 EST ID:UozmKrUL No.60985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That haircut is maximum Star Trek. Like, damn.
Lt. Darien Wallace - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:57:00 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this is gonna be... interesting

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited for this weekend. I'm just kinda anxious to see how this plays out.
Tiron - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:17:18 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Again, this show assumes Star Trek fans never watched past... season 2 TNG.
Ardon Broht - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:17:26 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.60988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If only we saw wartime and military conflict both pre and post TOS so we would know. Oh, wait, we already did and its not like there is a ton of time between DIS and TOS.
Ambassador Thoris - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:11:07 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally every point these people make only makes sense if you haven't actually watched Trek, but only heard about.
Lore - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:28:28 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>4 days
Grand Nagus Smeet - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:14:06 EST ID:MUbRGuYm No.61002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Is this actually fucking real?
Last I heard Sisko was the lead in a Star Trek series TWENTY YEARS AGO
Guinan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:33:29 EST ID:in2ASXw/ No.61003 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wow guys I've been incommunicado for a while since there's not much internet service here in the Delphi expanse.. but goddamn, does anyone possibly think this could be even a little bit good when the fucking LEAD shows that she has clearly not even read the wikipedia page for star trek?

I mean for fucks sake the chances of this not sucking super space dick are about 1 in twenty seven billion

This show is going to make nuTrak look intellectual
This show is going to make people pine for the good ol' days of the animated series
This show will make Babylon 5 actually become star trek

I don't honestly know if I want to even want to watch the pilot FOR FREE; Fuck, I'm not even sure I want to PIRATE it because it seems like it would be a waste of my time
Weyoun 8 - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:34:52 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No it's not real.

It's a photoshop, they removed the word "female".
Guinan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:35:49 EST ID:in2ASXw/ No.61006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>implying that's not equally retarded because Janeway
Weyoun 8 - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:42:56 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Janeway wasn't a black female. They didn't replace "female" with black, they just removed the word.

She's technically correct. Now the whole "the sky is suddenly the limit" is the dumb bit however at least she's not spouting factually incorrect shit.

Though I know you might argue the first black female lead was really the bartender in TNG.
Former Gul Rusot - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 18:53:51 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hahaha holy shit this fucking retard pile of a TV show
Lt. Chu'lak - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:36:06 EST ID:iP0kMRIv No.61014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair that's probably the journalists being stupid.
Lt. Talas - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:44:06 EST ID:VWTCMIFM No.61015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What distinguishes a lead role from a non lead role?

I would assume that if the term lead only applies to one character, the leads have always been the captains, no? If that's not the case and "lead" is a broader term that applies to other characters as well then Uhura is the first black female lead.

And if lead really does just mean the main character, who is this bitch and why is she the lead instead of the captain?
Dr. Reyga - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:12:04 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're basically equating her to the Captain role in regular Trek, with the idea being that she's the pivotal character in the same way. A sort of "not your daddy's Trek" new idea. But Trek has always been kind of an ensemble show, especially since the TOS movies. It's like saying Game of Thrones has a main character. There are some that are more important according to in-universe logic, and some get more development than others, but can you really say John Snow is THE lead as opposed to any other regular?

Some time ago someone posted a theory about the Trek license working in such a way that this show can't really be Trek, because making something a lot like Trek is stipulated in the contract somewhere as off-limits. Or something like that. I find it hard to look at Discovery and not see that.
Kono - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:47:40 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nope, that's SMG's words:

>My casting says that the sky is the limit for all of us. I think what we’re seeing now in our media is this push to diminish and to devalue and to make people feel that the sky is not the limit for them, that they are meant for the ground,” says Martin-Green, a force of energy so bubbly and exuberant, its hard to imagine she was chosen to play a human raised as a Vulcan. Not only chosen, but actively waited on; production halted until her Walking Dead contract ran out.

>So having me as the first black lead of a Star Trek, just blasts that into a million pieces. I am eternally grateful that the diverse casting of our show means that we are now a part of the conversation and hopefully a part of making the world a better place, as cliché as this sounds. Because I really believe it and think its vital for us all right now,” she says the spectre of Trump lurking unspoken.
Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 02:12:49 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.61028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dr. Reyga - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 04:34:20 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The fuck kind of interview is this? First this weird assumption that people playing characters with no or subdued emotions should be flat in affect themselves. On the contrary, they need a lot of emotional range, because they need to do all their acting in the same general way while still communicating that they're slighlty annoyed, slightly scared, or whatever. Leonard Nimoy, Tim Russ, and Brent Spiner are all expressive people, especially Brent Spiner. Whenever you get an actor with poor range in one of these roles, they spend their part staring into space trying not to twitch a facial muscle. They look like badly animated video game characters.

And then there's them being telepathic with that tired Trump implication. It's not quite putting words in her mouth, but that's only because they're putting them in her mind.
Lt. Talas - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:40:02 EST ID:VWTCMIFM No.61033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Man, she really hasn't watched any of the previous shows. Damn, that sucks. Hopefully she gets good direction.
Odo - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:36:26 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Inside 'Star Trek Discovery': The Franchise's Answer to the Trump Era

>Handed the reigns, they started to envision a slightly darker version of the usual Trek stories. There's a simple reason for that: Donald Trump.

>the show's antagonists are an ultra-religious and violent Klingon faction whose rallying cry – "Remain Klingon" – is intentionally reminiscent of "Make America Great Again."

>If later versions of Star Trek take place in a perfect future, Discovery is about the fight to build it.

>"I think [viewers] instantly just think prestige drama – it's dystopian, dark, antihero, grim, no hope at all," Harberts says. "It couldn't be further from the truth. This show is hopeful. The characters are always putting their best foot forward. To me, I just think we've had enough of the dystopian, dark science fiction."


Odo - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:44:33 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>'Star Trek: Discovery' intentionally made its Klingon rallying cry similar to Trump's 'Make America Great Again'

>"It's a call to isolationism," Haberts said of the slogan. "It's about racial purity, and it's about wanting to take care of yourself. And if anybody is reaching a hand out to help you, it's about smacking it away.

"That was pretty provocative for us," he continued. "And it wasn't necessarily something that we wanted to completely lean into. But it was happening.

>We were hearing the stories."


Miles O'Brien - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:00:47 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.61037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
jesus fucking christ what a joke
Janice Rand - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:27:14 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.61038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Didn't CBS JUST put out a press thingy saying that the Klingons weren't Trump? Also, when the fuck were Klingons Xenophobes? They are conquers and imperialists, but they never seemed to have a problem with other races because they were other races.
Kono - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:38:53 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Crazy how the whole show was pitched, greenlit, written, shot, and finished in under 9 months.

I guess that is why nothing makes sense and everything looks bad. Apparently they didn't even come up with the idea for disco until Trump won last November.

It just kind of feels like they are setting it up so they can blame their failure on Trumpeters. I wonder what the show would have been like had it aired before the election took place or if Trump didn't get elected. I'd wager most of it was written and then they just tried to tie everything in to Trump later on. I'm sure it still would be rife with SJW propaganda but not to the extent they are pushing now.

>later versions of Star Trek take place in a perfect future

Oh, for fucks sake.

>I think [viewers] instantly just think prestige drama it's dystopian, dark, antihero, grim, no hope at all,

Hmm, I wonder why people think that. Could it be because we've got a war with a grimdark "Klingon" house, a captain with a torture chamber, the characters and sets look like every other dystopian sci-fi show with a bit of trek fan service thrown in, and every still has been dark as fuck so far? They've just described their own show and then said its not that because their crew has the moral high ground with their "progressive" ideology.


They said they were, then when they got backlash said they weren't, and now they are saying they are again.


Maybe the crew will go back in time to take down the statues from the Eugenics war, Daniels comes in from the 31st century, they all get relieved of duty, and then Season two gets retitled Star Trek: Federation and picks up where the shelved series planned to.
Guinan - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:53:01 EST ID:/Y/Qq+Zc No.61041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My god it just keeps getting worse and worse, please make it stop
Dr. Reyga - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 19:55:13 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's no better way to date a piece of media than by making naked political commentary.
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 15:50:57 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
she talks about all the time she spent studying the canon yet she thinks she's the first black lead in star trek?
Michael Jonas - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 16:16:04 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>you can't really judge the show based on the first episode (which is the only one screening on CBS proper this Sunday night; All Access will add episode 2.)

Seems like all they are trying to do is con viewers into paying for the subscription service by saying the first episode isn't great but the rest are amazing. It just so happens that the first one is the only free one and the "good stuff" doesn't start until you pay up.

>the show's antagonists are an ultra-religious and violent Klingon faction whose rallying cry – "Remain Klingon" – is intentionally reminiscent of "Make America Great Again."

Hmm, kind of like the Circle motto of "Bajor for Bajorans." Trek already did the religious extremist thing with DS9, the Circle, and Kai Winn and I guarantee they did it a whole lot better than disco will.

Its clear there is no such thing as cannon with Disco.
Guinan - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 16:58:53 EST ID:jL2Njis4 No.61054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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One day until Discovery premiers...

Remember what happened when JJtrek came out, waves of newfags and studio paid promoters came to our slow little imageboard, it'll likely happen again.

I will almost certainly not be able to watch the first episode on TV and probably won't bother to pirate it.. UNLESS you guys give me some decent reviews.

Speaking of, let's have a poll:

Will you watch the premiere of Discovery after reading all the horrible, horrible things that the press, the stars, and the producers have told us about it?



Also, if there's any other Trek-related places you browse, feel free to post the poll link there too so we can see how our fellow trekkies feel about this shit

Make Q'OnOs Q'PLA again
Senator Tal'aura - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 17:38:13 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Nice try studio exec
Back in my day shills tried to get to people to use straw polls and reveal other trekkie sites, this is just blatant
Guinan - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 18:23:18 EST ID:fQoAcSu4 No.61058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just get sad that every strawpoll I've ever done that's trek related only gets about ten respondents including myself.. also if I was a studio exec for Discovery, obviously I wouldn't give two shits about the existing fanbase's opinion because "they're gonna watch it anyways", as that douche who plays the captain was quoted stating in a post far above
Juan Cena - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 20:50:45 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61060 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Well, Sirella originally didn't want Dax to join the House of Martok because she isn't Klingon. So, yea, there is xenophobia in Klingon culture.
Thrax - Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:29:29 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61061 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was going to give a spiteful definitely not but honestly, yeah, I'm definitely going to watch it. Episode two drops down to a mostly likely, Whether or not I continue watching or, more telling, decide to keep it on my array after that depends on how those first one or two episodes go and that's saying something because I have a 144tb raw (and growing) on my main server and hoard some pretty useless shit.
Lt. Chu'lak - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 00:49:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thrax - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 03:27:10 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Looks like damage control started early.
Ulani Belor - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 08:15:13 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not to mention DS9 (and TNG, or even VOY) never tied their real life inspiration down to a single thing. The Bajorans were reminiscent of a bunch of different groups of people, and often ended up on both sides of the fence. This makes them seem real, because they have real, complex issues informed by their culture and interaction with others. Anyone who ever said "the Bajorans are simply the Jews in space" is dead wrong.

And honestly, I'm cringing at making the Klingon "faction" ultra-religious and violent as a way to reference Trump. Because Klingons already WERE ultra-religious and violent. They believe they're the chosen people, as warranted by a prophet who lived 1400 years and was the perfect Klingon, who used a special double-bladed sword. They believe they will gain entry to the afterlife by dying in combat in service of this prophet's ideals. Does that sound familiar at all? Because it almost sounds like OG Klingons share a lot of goddamn traits with the more radical Muslims...

And with these Klingnots we already know they referenced Islamic art in their concept art. So what the fuck is even going on here?

Of course, the Klingons were never intended as direct commentary on Islam, and simply share a few peculiarities. Kind of like how the Bajorans share a few peculiarities with other persecuted and persecuting groups on Earth. Because Trek was always a smart show that avoided direct coding in their recurring species most of the time.
Guardian of Forever - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:14:12 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.61069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are you sure that you aren't projecting your own biases onto the show?

I've yet to see trumpers pillage primitive farming communities and take them as slaves.

Wait a minute... you get the conclusion? are you _sure_ you mean that?
Guardian of Forever - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:17:42 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.61070 Ignore Report Quick Reply
how lame,

They couldn't even get a contractor to build a rc controlled quad out of the thing and had to haul it around with a manned heli.
Michael Rostov - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:36:22 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The day has come
Lt. Chu'lak - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 18:04:41 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have this kinda sadistic excitement.

I'm really really really really stoked to see this crash and burn.
Lt. Chu'lak - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 19:23:14 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
premiere primer/recap


I feel like they're talking about the show way too much. Like they're so self conscious that they are giving away half the plot before the show even starts.
Darlene Kursky - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 20:25:03 EST ID:VWTCMIFM No.61075 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've been purposefully ignoring learning anything about this for the most part so I pretty much have no expectations. I have to admit though, I'm a little excited now that it's almost here.
Krem - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:16:03 EST ID:s5ry+FiP No.61076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is this what rape feels like?
Jonathan Archer - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:27:35 EST ID:7kDPSA9T No.61077 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've seen exactly one post on /tv/ so far that said they liked the first ep. Then again, /tv/ hates everything.
Legate Hovat - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:30:19 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Welp, that happened
I did not like it, but I didn't hate it as hard as I expected
5/10, i'll give it time
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:38:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61081 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It wasn't as bad as I was expecting. It's certainly a lot different. The klingons actually turned out better than expected for me. They felt campy, which is good considering everything is so grim looking. Their uniforms felt kinda like the necromongers uniform. Sarek wasn't bad. What'shername the asian female captain felt soulless and like an android so I'm not too sad that she is gone.

I enjoyed it. I give it a 6-7/10. There have certainly been worse Star Trek pilots. I'm interested to see where this goes from here.
Nurse Jabara - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:01:45 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.61083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Don't worry, everyone will sign up for CBS all access
Juan Cena - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:05:36 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61084 Ignore Report Quick Reply

VoY had a budget of $23 million for its series premiere.
Nevala - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:10:43 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.61085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
DaiMon Torrot - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:21:44 EST ID:ZTT6imbJ No.61086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but still not that great. I get the feeling that the whole show is going to be about the commander, which is completely counter to most Trek. It's not about one person, it's about the team.

Also CBS can go fuck themselves with their trying to force people into buying their shitty version of Netflix. I hope everyone pirates it out of spite to show them how retarded they are.
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:22:27 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61087 Ignore Report Quick Reply
calm your autism buddy
Jadzia Dax - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:57:51 EST ID:34mqTrLX No.61090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Continuity checkers doing as great a job as ever, at least that's like every other series.

>webm related
Guinan - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:05:49 EST ID:fuwprhlt No.61091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I thought about watching it and they changed the time drastically at the last minute. All that was on was one of their many law and order clones.

Goddamn all access must have such utter garbage for content.

Anyway someone i know watched it and it sounded pretty lame.
If i watch it at all I think ill have to wait until there are several episodes out.. But honestly im unsure if i even want to.

Phoneposting from a flipphone btw.. This bartener has fallen on hard times
Khan Noonien Singh - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:12:09 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>They float, we all float out there
Pah-wraith - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:19:23 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why did the Klingons talk slow and stupid like they were poorly coached actors trying to speak a language they didn't study at all?
Neelix - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:23:13 EST ID:CZCjMNj8 No.61096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Jesus christ, SWJ rags calling Orville's handling of intersex and gender ham-fisted had better not fucking fawn over how poignant Discovery was in its handling of race. I swear to fucking god. I will implode from the force of their hypocrisy.


*next scene*

Meanwhile in TOS/TNG

This show looks gorgeous though but oh Jesus Christ The Orville is gonna be better than this plus jokes. What has the world come to?

For real though this show looks almost as good as Elite: Dangerous.
Data - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:31:59 EST ID:7JLxWaz3 No.61097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nobody gives a shit about my opinion but I really liked it and I can't wait till next week.

This episode predates all these scenes correct? Perhaps their attitude changed, perhaps this klingon commander has different beliefs regarding the dead. They could quite have literally gone with the initial plan and called it a day.
Khan Noonien Singh - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:34:49 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well I liked it too. People have so much to nitpick at but ignore the fact that there have been far worse pilot episodes and pretty much every show's season 1 sucked. It's just mostly people getting mad because they don't like what the kids like nowadays.
Nurse Jabara - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:41:47 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.61100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its Movie Trek. Lens flares, Frakes tier camera work, explosions, inappropriate angst. As long as you don't expect it to boldly go anywhere then it might turn out to be a good show on its own merit.


Michael actually says "race isn't important, culture is"
Nurse Jabara - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:42:47 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.61101 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Broken Bow is the only good Trek pilot and we know how that turned out.
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:47:54 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the way some of you react makes me feel ashamed to say I'm a trekkie
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 01:57:36 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
and you can fuck off back to /tv/ where posting stupid shit without making a contribution is fine
Grilka - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 02:49:54 EST ID:fXLiMBsM No.61105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>It felt like mass effect

There was something that was bothering me throughout the entire episode and I think you got it. It's like they're setting up Micheal to be like the sole hero like Shepard was when Star Trek's biggest strength was its use of an ensemble cast. Who is the doctor? Who is the engineer? Seems like the series is setting up to be mostly about Micheal's hero journey or whatever.

Which isn't bad in itself but Star Trek was never really about ONE sole hero. At least not TOS, TNG, DS9, or even VOY. Now that I think about it, in any of the prerelease materials did they talk about any other characters, like who was the doctor or engineer? Besides Not-Spock. If there is anything that the creators missed about what made Star Trek great, it's most likely that.
Janice Rand - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 03:10:42 EST ID:J0cnDvKY No.61106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The doctor was in the episode briefly but yeah you can tell the focus was on Burnham. The whole pilot was to set up her back story.
I'm sure we'll get to know the crew some when she's stationed on the Discovery under Lorca but not in the same way as pervious series.
It will be interesting to see from the perspective of an ensign. I hope they pull it off.
But yeah the aesthetic did feel like Mass Effect. They say it's prime but I think I'm gonna pretend this is a darker mirror universe because that is exactly how it felt.
Also they've dropped tons of hints about Lorca being some kind of mad scientist crazy guy so I'm assuming that's why they picked the Slytherin dude from Harry Potter for captain. This all fits well into my head canon view of it being a dark mirror universe. I think looking at it that way will make this show really fun, hopefully.
Gaila - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 07:24:34 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>someone does not agree with me on this issue
>this makes me ashamed to belong to the same social group
>but I will make no effort to remove myself from this shameful position

If I had a kick in the nuts for every time I've heard this stupid non-argument, I'd be sterile by now.

Mate, you have shown no real restraint in your own arguments. Your opinion about people not liking this show is highly insulting, so don't get your panties in a twist when people respond in kind. And your point stinks. For starters, it's pretty much only TNG that had a shitty first season. It's one of those stupid Trek truisms that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. TOS' first season is a third of the show. TAS' first season is half of the show. Both were fine. "But those don't count!" Why? Because they don't affirm your shitty point? Because they're not in the same stretch as TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT? Then why does this argument count for STD? But onwards. TNG had a shitty first season, yes. The quality between the first and second season is noticable. It's also well-documented, and has very specific reasons: The old mind behind TOS (that'd be Gene) wanting to make sort of the same show, recycling old scripts, people being at odds, etc. etc. Some of this flowed over in season 2, which is traditionally also mentioned as crap, but season 2 contains many TNG classics. DS9's first season was perfectly fine. General TNG-level episodes, including fucking Duet. One of the series best episodes. Not to mention tons of character development. And with VOY, well, frankly I don't see a lot of difference between its first season and the rest. It's generally weak across the board, with a few good episodes here and there. Season 2 is better, but season 3 is worse again. Then Seven joins the crew, marking a general increase in quality simply because they have a new, interesting character played by a capable actress. And ENT... well, I didn't like ENT. I thought it was weak across the board, but the ruling opinion seems to be that the first three seasons were ALL weak as fuck, with the last one getting better.

So it's pretty much only TNG that had a shit first season. But you just throw it out there as if it's a universal truth so you can accuse people who don't like this new show of being curmudgeonly geriatrics who refuse to move with the times. And that's a shitty point, bro. You don't get to pretend you're ashamed of your detractors after positing that offensive non-argument.

Now, I still have to watch this first episode. Frankly, I expect to not like it. I hope I will, but I probably won't. Everything I've seen thusfar is at odds with the concepts I know make up Star Trek. I find it hard to believe that something that's not trying to be Trek will be good Trek.
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 08:24:04 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Too long, skimned. But voyager s1 was horrible. TNG season 1 was pretty bad. Tos wasn't great. Ent was pretty bad. Ds9 wasn't rly good until Worf and the dominion war. Most of them took a while to get good. I said all that in a few sentences. Take note on the power of brevity.
>removing myself
Are you saying I should quit being a fan because many other fans are spergs? Nah. All fandom's are terrible pretty much. I accept it. Doesn't mean some other fans don't embarrass me sometimes.
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:00:37 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
also, that person wasn't "disagreeing with me" he was shitposting calling me a shill because I disagreed with him. wtf..
Grilka - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:12:16 EST ID:fXLiMBsM No.61113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I guess it makes sense to introduce the captain first, maybe I wouldn't have much of an issue if they showed both episodes instead.

S1 Voyager wasn't that great but I wouldn't call it horrible. It just lacked memorable episodes outside of Threshold, which is memorable for the wrong reasons. It's pretty hard to judge it by season since there was never really any "good" seasons, just good episodes.
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:11:17 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Idk, like 5 episodes into the first season Janeway gets the opportunity to get back through a wormhole but misses the opportunity because she's too busy imposing the prime directive on some random ass ferengi playing god in the delta quadrant.
How the hell were those ferengi there? How could she be so stupid to be busy imposing her ideals on an other race that she jeopardizes the crew in such a way. This episode soured me pretty bad to the series, and it didn't recover until season 4.

My point is that if this episode or an equally dumb STD episode came out today it would be judged very harshly. But because this was 20 years ago or however long ago it was, people have had time to sit with it. Or people just didn't judge it as harshly the first time they watched it. Either way, people impose different standards on newer stuff.

Also, the space rat is 1000x worse than Saru is.
DaiMon Bractor - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:19:19 EST ID:MEl+alNy No.61117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>How the hell were those ferengi there?
That happens in the TNG episode The Price.

Rekelen - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:23:10 EST ID:bl2kO52Y No.61118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>reminder that after season one Voyager Paramount was running season two trailers that specifically promised "more action" in response to complaints about the first season being slow and dull. And then season two opened with finding Amelia Earhart on a space island.
Beverly Crusher - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:25:57 EST ID:bKYgMG8Z No.61119 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It was pure action schlock.
Senator Vreenak - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:30:06 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It wasn't bad but it was not good. Sets & costumes looked amazing while acting & writing was extremely flawed. DIS might have the TNG curse, where first two seasons were flawed and needed time to iron out(DS9, VOY and ENT had this problem too). Direction was also mostly odd. It tried to be artsy and JJ-esque with Dutch angles, lens flares and flashbacks throughout the episodes. Bryan Fuller might've written his worst Trek episode with this opener, which was disappointing because he wrote DS9: Empok Nor and that was a good episode. No one is likeable and they've added too many old references. Just like Rogue One, they spend too much time making old references and not spending any time to make new original ones. In others words.... "THEY SAID THE THING! I CLAPPED! I CLAPPED!"
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:07:50 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's an odd pilot. Because its all just a prequel to an other show basically. Its like if they started TNG with Picard's tragic back story on the Stargazer. I don't even know if we will have the same crew. I'm guessing only Saru and Burnham will carry over to the Discovery.
Dr. T'Pan - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 14:08:34 EST ID:4oKo+0e2 No.61131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Im really disappointed in how dull everything looks. Blue jumpsuits with gold trim in a grey/silver ship. Also i thought this was supposed to be in the shows universe, but everything about it makes me think it's part of the JJverse. Not a good start.
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 14:37:15 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.61132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>everything about it makes me think it's part of the JJverse. Not a good start.

100% licensing. Nothing to do with the writing or story direction. Also there really aren't many lens flares. The Shenzhou bridge is too fucking dark. Like, it's too dark in there for staff to work on the computer panels without eyestrain. The power is supposed to be down on the Shenzhou, but it was equally dark when they were completely fine.

Just look out the windows. Also do not look inside the Klingon's nose prostheses where the actor's actual noses are clearly visible and concealed only by darkness. I think the nostrils are supposed to be camouflaged into some internal nose flap structure but whatever they tried to do it wasn't glued down.

Klingons look like shiiiiiiiiiiit.
Minister Kuvak - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 14:46:29 EST ID:pRsWw29z No.61133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sounded like they talked really slow and mushmouthed, too.
Beverly Crusher - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:42:40 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.61136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh no, fuck Kurtzman and fuck Fuller for going along with it.

Why the FUCK did they do the dutch-angles-lensflare SHIT, why, why why.
This wasn't supposed to be JJTrek: The Series

At this point I'd prefer they'd kept it at that and left the prime timeline alone with this so called "artistic style"

Darien Wallace - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:03:33 EST ID:CTGaj0K2 No.61137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Thoughts so far, and this is repeating some bits that have already been said.

  • the starships look good but the show doesn't want to show them off. But then they spent a full 13 seconds on that tractor beam shot and most of the time the frame was empty except for a blue glow. Wtf?
  • the uniforms look unfinished and the white stripes around the feet make them look like high school kids
  • for a working space the bridge is too goddamn dark. Somebody paid a lot of money to build that shit, why won't they show it off?
  • the space battle was poorly defined. I never quite had a sense of it and then suddenly it's over and everyone just leaves, except they don't.
  • the banter the first time we went on the bridge was good. Nice and smooth and it fit the scene.
  • the whole mutiny thing came out of nowhere, made no sense and only seems to happen to get her onto the next starship. They couldn't come up with something less corny and bizarre to do that?
  • the cloaking technology is some Nemesis-tier writing. One faction within a fractured society manages to somehow shit out a super technology that leaves everyone else spinning.
  • trans-galactic mind meld Skyping. Get the fuck out of here.

nit-picky things
  • long after going to red alert she asks for torpedoes to be loaded. The torpedoes should have been loaded as soon as they went to red alert.
  • our ship can identify "Klingon biological matter" inside the coffins lining the Klingon ships but workbee shuttles are too small to detect? A workbee shuttle being propelled in a straight line towards what is a flagship while toting an antimatter warhead and leaving a trail of exhaust won't be detected? Make up your damn minds.[spoiler]
  • "the filters are at maximum." So turn the display off. Or switch to a tactical view. Or a screensaver. Anything other than blinding everyone in the room would be good.
  • space guns go BLOOP BLOOP. This does not raise the tension during a battle.
  • [spoiler]i'm suffering from radiation burns and my skin looks like someone dumped a pizza on me but instead of using the comm I think I'll walk to the bridge to deliver my warning and then I'll stand around and watch things for a bit.
  • ze shields! zey do nothing! Fortunately, containment fields work flawlessly no matter how much damage is suffered by a location. Aka, catastrophic hull damage always seems to stop just short of the emitters, thank god.
  • dutching the camera for no reason.

There's a lot about this show that's fucked up. Is it going to get better or get worse?
Katherine Pulaski - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:14:35 EST ID:KyuCT+ii No.61139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A lot of great points.

You might want to add to the general consensus list that the design of the Klingons looks like something out of Lord of the Rings ie Bad.
Senator Vreenak - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:33:56 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61140 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Correct me if I am wrong but this might be the one of the few times where The Klingon Language isn't spoken in a hard phonetically english.(Saying words with a Hard S or Hard K and doing Pauses On Each Syllable)

I rather like this new approach with this, it an interesting interpretation.


Yeah, they should stop stealing sound effects from FTL: The Game.
Travis Mayweather - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:28:54 EST ID:J01byT6p No.61154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>trans-galactic mind meld Skyping. Get the fuck out of here.

Dude what the fuck. I was perfectly willing to accept it as a fragment of Sarek's mind offering wisdom and assurance but then he explicitly said "NO THIS IS REAL AND IT HURTS MY BODY. HO STAHP FUCKIN UP"

For the love of god, writers: If you're gonna be this stupid, at least leave it ambiguous. Learn something from LOST, cunts.

I liked this show until this. I loved how good it fucking looked. The intro was fucking neato. Good title animator. Shiny AF, gargantuan fucking windows. Space porn.

Yeah, they're really playing up the glottal thing which so clearly suits the Klingon language and sells them better as Klingons than their faces and outfits.
Lt. Maxwell Burke - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 23:33:39 EST ID:51Oyzcxc No.61155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck it. I liked it.... I think the people who don't just don't like it because it's not their daddy's trek.

Nah, for real though. It's fine. It's still not as bad as Voyager. But I hope the show slows down and takes a breath. If it does this action pace for the entire run, it's going to be exhausting, samey, and boring.

Fear-boy wasn't played as corny as I thought it'd be. Seemed to be more of a culture thing than an actual sense. Maybe he's just anti-Worf. Wherever we had Worf being an asshole, we're going to have anti-Worf being a coward. Nowhere near as corny as mindmelds and empaths, imo.

It seems to have a good heart, but it needs to slow the fuck down. Seems like they're trying to recapture that early Borg feel where the Federation is outclassed, and it tests the principles of the organization... but for like a whole show. I'll probably watch a few more episodes to see where it's going.

Sad they killed a character I liked, and made one I don't like the protagonist. But maybe it makes sense for a long arc to develop someone less likable into someone with more character.
Degra - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 00:32:06 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.61156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You touch on the main point to me in saying that a lot of the "tension" of this episode didn't feel earned at all. You're very correct to mention the Borg thing specifically since they use the line "we have engaged the klingons."

Additionally in terms of not earning it- they didn't take their time to really explain anything. Explaining the political circumstances of the klingon empire is something in old trek i can imagine being the subject of 3 or 4 episodes and set up this sort of messianic figure in t'kuvma.

Instead what we get is essentially a Star Trek Film. Albeit with the writing and subtlety of Damon Lindeloff. It's a very odd beast.
Guinan - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 00:37:27 EST ID:OEbD6pS3 No.61157 Ignore Report Quick Reply
goddamn that was one of the very worst of all Voyager episodes, it made no sense.

Some species can travel across the entire galaxy, but they still need slaves? Slaves from the other side of the fucking galaxy? And there's a fucking car in space?

C'mon nigga, that almost makes Discovery look good.
Lonzo - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:05:19 EST ID:DFVtHqNO No.61160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If only they hadn't fucked with the look of the Klingons, this could have been legit pretty good. Sure the pacing was inconsistent, and it did have some really stupid shit in it, looking at you Sarek's magical skype service, but overall, it was a servicable first couple episodes. I think that if they can establish T'Kuvma's little albino buddy as THE Albino, from the DS9 episode Blood Oath, they might be able to salvage my disappointment with the Klingon's look.

I guess not every Klingon can be like this beautiful bastard.
Greskrendtregk - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 07:06:30 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.61161 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This would mean they have to come up with some physicality oddity where Klingon noses change their shape based not only on their age, but also based on the particular time period they are living in.

For me not even that could fix it. It's just as much a dick move as lens-flares and dutch angles. They knew perfectly well that the fans didn't want it but did it anyway just because.
Species 8472 - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 09:57:01 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I already said what I had to say. Try reading it before responding to it.
Hadley - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:24:41 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I liked it..
>exhausting, samey, and boring.

Star Trek is a cerebral show that includes action but never relies on it, tells complex morality stories and references classics from western civilization.

STD is a high budget reboot of Space Above and Beyond.
Jake Sisko - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:27:07 EST ID:tIe3WKwm No.61168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At least Space Above and Beyond looked like Wing Commander
Chulak - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:42:24 EST ID:Anzhqq5h No.61169 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What can I say? This board lowered my expectations so much that I was impressed that it wasn't worse.

I like the first 2 eps if they're a set up to something a little better paced. If the reason it feels rushed is because it's a flashback crammed with backstory (and because they're trying to create a splash with the pilot), I'm fine with that. I'm happy enough that I'll watch a few more episodes to see if it chills out.

>>61162 puts it really well. Knowing all the forces behind it, I was pleasantly surprised it had any Trek at its heart at all.
Thot Pran - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:37:54 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.61175 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah, the first two episodes are all back story. Episode 3 starts a few months/years later.

So maybe Michael Jordan being an annoying mutineer is intentional. Jason Isaacs character is supposed to be an evil captain so maybe Mike redeems herself and becomes a moral counterbalance. Maybe all the drunken camera work, darkness, and violence of the first episode was to create a sense of unease to mirror Mike's apparent PTSD and stress, and future episodes will be more restrained.

It might seem farfetched, but everyone watching it was complaining about the "New Captain" and then they killed her off immediately so maybe they're smarter than we think.
Grilka - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:20:44 EST ID:9wlR6745 No.61207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>$8.5 million

>tfw I'm a Netflix CEO
Greskrendtregk - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 06:38:00 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.61212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuck this show. I'm just gonna list complaints as I recall them, might be out of order

>Start with a decent Trek hook, a Federation project had unexpected environmental repercussions on an alien civilization, send a team into fix it discreetly.
>Discreetly means "Send two humans down to a world populated by insects, dress them in random ass mad-max desert gear that does nothing to disguise them, and they solve the problem by shooting at it with a rifle
>Well okay, the phaser is an energy projector, i guess that's the right too- why are they slow walking away and letting the aliens see them? Even the intro sequence from Into Darkness could remember that not getting caught was paramount
>To reinforce this discrepancy the captain of the ship asks the fucking first officer what she would do if they ended up trapped here and the FIRST OFFICER's response is straight up "I'd violate the prime directive and just go introduce myself to the native species"
>Captain laughs it off instead of lecturing her on how a first officer really should fucking know better
>Whole fucking conversation where the two characters just keep reiterating "Boy, we sure have known each other for seven years haven't we? I guess that means we'll just trust each other implicitly and never expect explanations for each others actions" the whole seven year career keeps getting brought up throughout the episodes as shorthand for "Our characters need to agree and we don't want to explain why!", tell don't show to the max. They just keep saying "after all of the things we've seen each other do, I figured you'd trust me!"
>Storm is severe enough to jam starfleet sensors but not so severe they can't park the fucking ship close enough to the surface to see a foot-stamped starfleet insignia that took (generously) 20 minutes to create
>Why is that their insignia now anyway? That logo wasn't adopted as the fleet-wide insignia until after the adventures of the enterprise
>Science officer is falling over himself to try and demonstrate usefulness, fails. Only notable trait is that his species gets a +5 on check to pussy out and fuck off, confirmed by both the character himself and the character's superior officer who teases him about this (once again apparently inherent and uncontrollable) trait by making him think she's going to assign him to her ADHD first officer's suicide mission
>Can't investigate the object, starfleet sensors are jammed again. Can't send a shuttle because of the interference but a fucking spacesuit is fine
>first officer's performance/attitude keeps waffling between zachary quinto angry spock and jeri ryan "i'm better than you" Seven of Nine
>but apparently that's intentional, because her character backstory is revealed to be that she survived a terrorist attack from an enemy that the UFP has "scarcely seen" over the last century, and instead of being given to next of kin she somehow ended up as the burt ward to Sarek's Adam West, where he raised her by putting her in a bubble dome that harassed her by asking her to recite trivia about the terrorist attack that killed her parents and obviously left her with PTSD. The questions ask make no sense pertaining to any educational curriculum other than a hyper specific course that surveys Klingon terror tactics (you know, something they would teach a fucking middle schooler). The child is given no counseling or advice on how to effectively process, manage, or even just suppress her emotions, in spite of that BEING THE ENTIRE FUCKING UNDERLYING TENANT OF VULCAN CULTURE AND PHILOSOPHY. This begins a trend apparently where every time she fails to consider the impacts of her emotions on her judgement Sarek just shrugs and goes "Oh well, I guess that's just the way you are! You do you boo!"
>Wait isn't this 10 years before TOS? Where does Spock fit into this?
>Back to the present, Michael Sue jetpacks through radioactive space and gets ambushed by a klingon warrior who apparently was hanging out there all day with no ill effects.
>Although him being fucked up from prolonged radiation exposure might explain why she was able to fucking one-shot KO him with his own fucking blade (somehow stabbing him in both hearts at once I guess?) by button mashing her jet thrusters like a Mortal Kombat noob.
>get a fucking concussion and soak up a shitload of radiation, ignore treatment and suffer no ill effects
>walk to the fucking bridge to tell people what you could say from fucking sickbay
>More fucking flashback, apparently the vulcan learning center was attack too. Also by Klingons? how many fucking terrorist attacks did this kid live through? on two different worlds? Is the federation Space Yemen?
>Another Flashback, find out the main character apparently literally got dropped off on the ship by Sarek 7 years ago and just... became an officer. Just like Wesley Crusher, everyone's favorite character! (explains why she's somehow simultaneously always right and always wrong). Did she even go to Starfleet Academy?
>Open a dedicated intra-galactic communication channel to Sarek on the ship who's technology is too shitty to get a fucking communicator signal from the nearby planet's surface. He instantly responds because the head of a school/federation ambassador has a completely open schedule
>while talking to Sarek's holo image (real, not a recording) the fucking hologram walks over to Michael's desk and sit on it. Is Sarek sitting on a desk at the place he's broadcasting from? Is that desk just coincidentally in the exact same place in that room as the desk in Michael's room is? that's the only way that fucking makes sense
>"Captain, we need to shoot the Klingons before they shoot us!"
>"That is literally an act of war and against everything this intragalactic government has (publicly) stood for for over a century."
"But you don't understand, when the vulcans first encountered the Klingons, they got attacked and destroyed. So the vulcans said fuck it and decided to judge an entire species by the actions of one ship."
>"Even if that horrible idea is now officially canon, I would already know that. It would be common knowledge, since both Vulcans and Humans belong to the same government. Furthermore this isn't even the first time humans have encountered klingons so they already have an opinion of our species."
>"You're not hearing me! The klingons want war, so we have to shoot first with our outgunned, ancient starship. This futile display of power will show the klingons that we're are willing to fight, and so by the laws of double negatives, the klingons will let us live because it will seem like both of us want to fight!"
>"That's retarded"
>"Not as retarded as you'll be after I vulcan neck pinch you!"

it goes on and on and on like this, getting dumber and dumber and dumber. Why does the admiral broadcast to the klingon ship in full color, but the rest of the klingon HC broadcasts to the flagship in that shitty Apple II green color only? Why is Sarek a Jedi? Did they really decide to blow Michael out an airlock less than 24 hours after she survived having her DNA fucking unspooling, is she a fucking D&D character?
Timothy Lang - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:24:36 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hold on...
The whole point of Michael being all PTSD'd out and shit is that Vulcans have no fucking clue as how to raise emotional children. It just isn't something they do. So of course he fucked her up. And I think we will see more on that later. The mind-meld scene was a hint at that. Sarek knew he fucked her up. And is trying to correct. In fact, my bet is that they are hanging a lot of the series on this fact.
Weyoun 4 - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 11:51:44 EST ID:cPepRaMC No.61216 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Vulcans have no idea he was to raise emotional children

Thus is absurd. Vulcan children should be MORE emotional.
Senator Tal'aura - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:32:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Vulcans raise kids to suppress emotions, not to deal with emotions. And considering she can't just eliminate her emotions, that obviously isn't going to translate very well.

So no, they don't know how to raise emotional kids. They only know how to raise kids to eliminate emotions.
Timothy Lang - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:02:22 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Basically, Vulcans aspire to raise Supreme Aspies stripped of all emotion and able to do advanced calculus in their heads. Aspies raising Aspies for generations until you end up with massive warehouses with teaching pits you can throw the kids into so they can be taught by a soulless machine.
Borg Queen - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:15:18 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61219 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Vulcans are born with raging emotions. Yes they suppress them but it's learned, why couldn't a human learn it?

Perhaps they were trying to toughen her up not realising that being a human she'd grow up much faster than a vulcan and so wouldn't have 50 years to practice not reacting, leaving her pretty much 20% finished. It's fucking stupid.

Especially as Sarek fucked a human before then. He had the emotional short lived monkey fever for sure.

I like that
>they implicitly trust each other but then suddenly the trust breaks down instantly.
>the professionalism and respect on the bridge makes a maquis raider look like the enterprise D during an admiralty visit
>seven years as first officer acts like Whorf on his first day with Dada
>N00b mistakes below the level Archer made to demonstrate how out of its depth humanity is in early ENT
>The bridge is enormous which seems impractical
>everyone else would have actually benefitted from training in "pussy out" to be honest, even Kirk knew when to leg it

Or rather think it's absurd and yes how the fuck did this idiot become an officer?

I will let the putting the girl into a clockwork orange esque psychopath sphere slide because most vulcans seem to be illogical when it comes to emotions despite how everyone even they have them and only they suppress them. It'd be a pretty big failing if I hadn't already listed the above off.
Timothy Lang - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 15:25:49 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it 100% learned in Vulcans? There has always been this whiff of biology about the whole emotionless thing with them. Look at the pon farr. It implies that there is some sort of biological element to their extreme control. I mean, the whole Vulcan canon sort of skirts with some odd things. Vulcans are supposed to be logical, but they are also ritualistic as fuck. The mind-meld gets spooky as fuck, especially since we now see mind melding being used to bring people back to life...and not in that weird round-about way they did with Spock. This is full on...my mind to your mind..NOW LIVE! There is sort of a whole bunch of things that indicate maybe Vulcans are more than just people who train themselves to shut down emotionally. Remember that Spock was always fighting his human and Vulcan sides. As if his humanity made him innately more inclined to emotion, as opposed to being raised on Planet Aspie for his whole life which should have made him as unemotional as any Vulcan. Anywho, I always viewed their ability to be emotionless as a sort of innate ability that they train to a high level. Something no human could accomplish in the same manner.

I also think the whole nature vs nuture aspect regarding Vulcans is muddy as fuck due to all the messing around in the canon. They probably were intended to be naturally emotionless, but then some writer got his hands on it and went ape shit with the mystical weird psudo-god figures and the rituals....
Borg Queen - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 15:33:09 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think vulcans having suppressed raging emotions is pretty heavily embedded now though. Maybe they can train to suppress them but it's clear if they don't they default to savagery that makes modern man look genteel.
Badar N'D'D - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:00:42 EST ID:98dBm1ww No.61230 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I don't want this post from the other thread to get lost. I think this guy nailed it.

It makes tons of sense actually. Going forward, this will be how I watch the show.
Guinan - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:03:33 EST ID:fQoAcSu4 No.61231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This show is not that smart, but I'd like to be wrong

I'm not even sure if the albino torchbearer guy is supposed to be THE Albino, but that would make progress in redeeming this shitshow.. slightly

But seriously there was so much retarded shit that happened in part one of the pilot I had to read what happened in part two because I wasn't sure I could take the mindraping
Mila - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:51:16 EST ID:Bstk62hJ No.61233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I would think that some coping mechanisms would be part of that instruction or else you'd wind up with a planetload of super strong, mildly psychic Dylan Klebolds.
Mila - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 21:11:47 EST ID:Bstk62hJ No.61234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>space Yemen
>Mortal Kombat noob

My sides have a coolant leak.


I did, too. But I think it's more likely that we're watching the travails of idiot writers who couldn't think of a better way to justify the otherwise random mutiny except to have her keep repeating, MUH FEELINGS, MUH LURV 4 U GAISZ! That would have been the moment to drop the future knowledge. Instead we got this weepy, awkward, mangled confession about certainty and love. This wasn't clever writing and a hint at some serious and impressive plot on the way. It's a hallmark of the fucktards who came up with using superdoomspacetorpedoes to smuggle frozen superhumans and who thought it made sense to have Spock scream after Kirk's radiation 'death' even though the moment was totally unearned. Same shit, different cast.

>They probably were intended to be naturally emotionless, but then some writer got his hands on it and went ape shit with the mystical weird psudo-god figures and the rituals....

I think it was more a case of TOS writers realizing they couldn't have Spock be a brick wall. They have to be able to occasionally kick holes in his rigidity and let some air in. So we get moments of humour, wit, joy and sadness. It also adds subtle tension throughout the series because the emotional suppression implies that there's a barely-contained green-blooded ragemonster walking the corridors of the Enterprise.
Grimp - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 22:02:16 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that reminds me did vulcans stay superstrong? I forget if that was in TNG~ENT
Guinan - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 22:30:56 EST ID:wug2oBR/ No.61237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I thought they were superstrongk in TOS as well, but maybe I'm wrong...

Also, I half-assedly watched the second episode of SexuallyTransmittedDisease... aaand... WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE KATRA-REZ BULLSHIT, OH WOW MIKEY NOW I CAN TALK TO YOU FROM ACROSS THE GALAXY BUT IT HURTS MY SPLEEN

what the fuck is that even
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 22:44:19 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.61238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>I would think that some coping mechanisms would be part of that instruction or else you'd wind up with a planetload of super strong, mildly psychic Dylan Klebolds.

In the multi-arc storyline about Archer helping the Vulcans discover the lost teachings of Surak in Season 3, thats pretty much the entire plot.
Sphere Builder - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 23:43:44 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>that reminds me did vulcans stay superstrong? I forget if that was in TNG~ENT

Yeah. T'Pol had it in TNG-ENT. That is pretty consistent. I mean, at least Vulcans have some consistency. LOOKING AT YOU KLINGONS!
Seven of Nine - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:12:58 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's the writers being lazy fuckers and pulling shit out of their ass that could also have been solved with a subspace connection.

that entire bit could have been done better. Captain Yeoh and Mikey are good friends, right? They're constantly telling us instead of showing us. A good way would have been to have Captain Yeoh send Mikey to be confined in her quarters instead of the brig. Saru should have objected, of course, with a nice Data-like rattling off of Starfleet protocols, stressing just how RISKY it is to go easy on a mutineer, maybe even citing an example that's also a nice reference for fans. Then Mikey gets sent to her quarters, and we have some moments where she goes through her personal stuff. Stuff with Sarek, stuff about her history on the ship, nice things. Then she tries to contact Sarek, she's locked out of the system, but she does some tech-tech shit, showing actual competence in the character, and just calls Sarek on subspace instead of this telepathy bullshit.

And as an added bonus, when the Klingons then vaporize her entire quarters, with all her personal shit, it's a direct callback to the attack that killed her parents, showing us directly a thing called "character motivation". And then the entire scene can play out like it did.

Such a simple change. Just a tiny rewrite. But I've already heard they want to give her super duper stupor powers, so that probably took precedence over good writing.
DaiMon Bok - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:18:44 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think I picked at it in the other thread but this is a really badly written show. It's just poor writing. Like, they could have given it to us for 15 minutes and it'd be noticably better.

That said, they did need the mutiny to set the next bit up because she has to be hated by all. Except that's probably pointless wank and I have a feeling her overcoming the blame will be the worst thing in the next few episodes.
DaiMon Bok - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:45:43 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That said, she did demonstrate her brilliance with the physics escape from confinement. However she then fucked up capturing a dude alive and failed to show her friendship at all.
Sphere Builder - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:26:42 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That was her emotional side, at least when martyred Klingon Bin-Laden... Expect more play on that dynamic...
Donik - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:44:56 EST ID:8TBN+r8z No.61249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I haven't watched that shit since it first aired. When I think about how the Trek universe works ENT seldom enters the equation.
Sphere Builder - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:07:07 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61251 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Big old spoiler space ahead...

I noticed in the end trailer that, The Captain of the Discovery tells Michael that she was brought on for her mental control and training...there were also weird shots of maybe her doing some telekinesis? Perhaps, the Discovery is going to just be a mad science lab situation and she is the prisoner brought in to do experiments on or something like that...that line, and her Vulcan upbringing sort of leads you down to some sort of "psychic powers from this *insert ancient alien artifact or advanced technology that has just been invented here*" plot line. It could be interesting if Michael is brought in as a quasi-human guinea pig with just a token rank in Starfleet to assuage their guilt at experimenting on PTSD'd out prisoners.

I am though, on a related note, hyped about Rainn Wilson playing what is surely to be some sort of convict or lowlife role...I just like him as an actor and think he could really nail it if the writing is decent. He will also probably show us that sarcasm and snark isn't just for Vulcans in the future...
Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 20:04:31 EST ID:VWTCMIFM No.61271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Spock basically was just as logical and unemotional as any Vulcan at the beginning of the series, but he slowly warms to the notion that emotions can be valuable throughout the series which is more of a cultural point that Kirk keeps emphasizing. It's not Spock's biology which makes him start to value emotion, it's his interactions with Kirk and his observation of human culture which, as a human, he tries to adopt. You see his struggle to adopt human cultural values in order to be more true to his heritage, not some sort of a struggle between his human and Vulcan biology.
Eliminator Leck - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 21:17:25 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It was always implied that Spock had a human and a Vulcan half that were at odds. I doubt they meant culturally, since Spock was raised Vulcan and they never have him waxing about the "human shit mom did to make me culturally half human." He never hints at any human aculturation. He was raised a Vulcan on Vulcan. Shit, I don't think they reveled he was half human until a fair bit into TOS. He may have not been written as half-human at first. Anyone know? I don't, but TOS is sort of fucked on continuity in places. Point is, there is always this overt implication that Vulcans are somehow naturally emotionless. I think ENT threw a spanner into that a bit with their fucking hippie, group mind-melding freaky deeky renegade Vulcans.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 23:51:27 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.61274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was just pointing out that pre-TOS Vulcans are portrayed almost exactly how he thought they should. Also I realize I said Season 3 instead of Season 4.
Weyoun 8 - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 04:10:57 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watchin this before watching the new episode tonight. Roundtable discussion of the pilot episodes.
The guys at Midnight's Edge do some good work.
Eliminator Leck - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:33:24 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hate the fucking writers sometimes. Forgot about that one...

See, to me at least, it would be more interesting if they somewhat overtly had Spock fighting a biological tendency. A Spock who was raised Vulcan, and had a side that sought to suppress all emotion, fighting an emotional, human side that demanded emotional responses. It would just sort of "lock in," the best part of that character. My biggest concern with the Michael character is that they will just make her "new Spock," and treat her as half human/half Vulcan. No! They need more nuance! They need to make her different from Spock, not just Spock - But black and with tits. I think the cultural dynamics in that character could be played on really well. She would be a true fish out of water. Neither Vulcan nor human. Too detached from emotion most of the time and culturally separated from her own people, but also never accepted as a Vulcan because...well, we all know how prissy and uptight Vulcans are about other races.

I should say, the genius part of T'Pol's character on ENT was how she kept referring to the bad smell that humans had. I thought that was genius. Just a little touch that really made it seem real.
Guinan - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 15:24:44 EST ID:4fAEKz8c No.61282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If they wanted to make her Vulcan they should have made her fucking Vulcan.

I'm still convinced the only reason they cast her as 'raised by Vulcans' was because she's an absolutely shit actor
Eliminator Leck - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:17:24 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno about the shit actor part. I think that is the writing. Hard to tell with some of the stilted dialogue they wrote in the pilot.

I mean, here is the thing, if we see shit like...I dunno...her trying to figure out dating, that would be interesting. Her having to deal with something that is awkward normally for humans to learn, but worse because all she had to learn from was the Pit of Education, and an adopted father whose concept of sexuality revolved around the Pon Farr. Think how fucked up her world view is.

Basically, Michael should have all the characteristics of someone who was raised in a cult and got out. They need to play up the alieness in Vulcans. Before, it was all about making Vulcans more human in the various series. How about showing how alien they are too? That is some interesting shit. Michael should be portrayed as having PTSD and serious issues fitting in. Instead they made her, try and pull a Kirk and break a cardinal rule to get out of a jam. Which works with Kirk, but he was Kirk...other people get thrown in Space Prison for the shit he pulled... I will say, I hope she and Cowardly Space Cow-man clash in the future. It seems like his innate flight response, and her hard-driving forward nature are perfect to rub against each other. I know....Roddenbury....but some amount of conflicting opinions is needed to drive plots to new areas...Everyone agreeing 100% of the time is boring.
Weyoun 8 - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:22:17 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61287 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The writing is horrible, but I've watched her quite a bit in TWD and she is wooden as fuck.
There is no range and her mannerisms aren't authentic at all. Half the time it's like she's thinking "what am I supposed to be doing with my arms"
Just pay closer attention to that kinda stuff in the episode tonight.
Eliminator Leck - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:45:38 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fair enough, I will. You may have a legitimate critique and I am willing to explore this.

Yeah...someone being reasonable online...unheard of!
Corporal R Ryan - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 20:05:42 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
to give /1701/ posters credit, it's actually quite common here

But yeah I'm not saying she's a horrible actor, I just think she's mediocre and isn't capable of very much range or really being particularly interesting.

I almost agree with the guy who says they made her adopted by Vulcans to mask her acting. Though I think it's more likely just a happy coincidence for her.
Subcommander N'Vek - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 22:24:30 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61299 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Reminds me, how has Keanu Reeves not landed a gig as a Vulcan?
Guinan - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 23:35:34 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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We need to meme this into being
Subcommander N'Vek - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 00:15:05 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He already has a Vulcan first name...
Guinan - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 00:57:37 EST ID:OpMqlC4o No.61308 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm about to watch episode 3 of this shit show, thanks CBS for making it so piratable by not putting it on real TV

I'll let you guys know how shitty it is
Guinan - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 03:56:54 EST ID:D+G4Jrxh No.61314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It was... actually alright! I'm amazed. I'm really kind of hopeful after watching the third episode. It just highlights how much of a waste of time the pilot episodes were.

(see my opinion on that in this post: >>61312)

Basically, if you want a recap [SPOILER TEXT MEANS FUCKING SPOILERS] here it is


Apparently tiny ass shuttles now can go to warp in this era; TOS/TOS movie era shuttles could not go to warp with the exception of the one Spock flew in TMP that had a giant nacelle package that it could attach and detach from

They're still using a lot of holographic shit for communications, ignoring the fact that they shouldn't really have any of that shit for 50-70 years, let alone holographic communications which didn't exist until late seasons of DS9

BIG SPOILER FOLLOW, DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU WANT TO RUIN THE PUNCHLINE OF THE EPISODE: They're trying to develop a groundbreaking transportation technology that makes the soliton wave look like child's play, basically on-par with iconian space-folding doorways, but employing space fungus as its medium. Only listing this as a con because unless the technology is lost before the end of the series, or unless it has some sort of terrible, terrible drawback that relegates it to Starfleet's most classified files (quite possible if you watch the episode) it would have easily replaced warp drive. It is pretty cool albeit fucking weird since its premise is that there are space spores literally everywhere.

The intro still sucks balls and is just random musical farting with a trek motif bookending the start and finish of it, I hope it changes in the second season if the show lives that long


Saru didn't seem like an annoying whiny bitch this time around, he's more of a boss and less of an effeminate JarJar Binks

They introduced a handful of other characters besides Mikey and Saru that may be interesting, a gayboi Engineering/Science officer who actually seems to have an interesting background, a nervous green-as-fuck cadet lady with allergies who is Michael's bunkmate, the mysterious captain who seems to be a lot more likeable, rougish and complex than the original mad scientist description suggested, the chief of security indian lady who they didn't really develop at all (maybe she's gonna die soon), and also the sexy redhead who manned the helm on the Shenzou is back with a weird brain implant thing

The story flowed nicely, it felt like a black female Tom Paris intro mixed with some scare trek

They're setting up some (potentially) interesting storylines, it actually had a trek feel, wasn't all action AND the part that was action wasn't completely retarded time wasting bullshit but instead some interesting scenes that seemed to be setting up the ship, the story, and the season in a way that actually made me interested (which the pilot completely failed to do).

Ship actually looks pretty nice honestly, I was concerned after the initial teaser video, but they framed it well and had some relatively pretty shots of it

Anyway, I liked it. I'm surprised as fuck, but I liked it. Maybe Trek isn't dead just yet.

Lorian - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 10:04:14 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.61316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll be back later today with an analysis of how this show is shit at lans flares.

Nobody on tng era ever realized that holographic displays were a relatively simple development barely over the horizon.

But fact is we dont use them because we don't need them, and nothing about star trek changes that.
Mobara - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 10:54:01 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.61318 Ignore Report Quick Reply



Can- can they just make the USS Discovery a Sector 31 ship... can- can that just BE the case? Would explain all the things...
T'Les - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 11:45:17 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wow, I have renewed hope. That was actually pretty fucking good.

I said this about the pilot, but I'm fuckin calling it now. This is a mirror universe.

Spooky prosthetic eyed captain performing crazy science experiments to defeat the Klingons hacks Starfleet to recruit a mutineer to his cause. Sounds like a mirror episode to me. And a pretty badass one to be honest.
T'Les - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 12:09:22 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
afterthought about the interpersonal conflict controversy:

If the conflict is between Burnham and other crew members because of her crimes, and between the hippy gay science officer and Lorca then it may not be as bad as it seemed when they announced that they were doing that. It would seem authentic for ppl to hate Burnham. And I can deal with the sassy gay science officer being snippy with the captain.
Juan Cena - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 12:49:56 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61321 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I doubt it is the mirror universe because Starfleet personnel can be bad in the prime universe. For example, Pressman and others violating the Treaty of Algeron. There was the whole plot for Star Trek 6 too. I can give other examples.

As well, there is General Order 24....
Juan Cena - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 13:08:12 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61322 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I forgot that Johnathan Frankes said Discovery is doing a mirror universe episode. So, there goes your theory.
T'Les - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 13:11:22 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Actually, he said multiple.
But no that doesn't disprove anything.

But either way I'm still gonna keep this as a head canon because it feels right that way and makes me enjoy the show more.
Lorian - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 13:14:14 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.61324 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Pretty sure it's just a Capt. Jellico crossed with Idris Elba situation.

The way Sisko is the anti-Picard I think Lorca is the anti-Janeway. Science vessel, but in opposite situations, with opposite duties, but still pursuing universe-breaking high speed technologies which along with the Genesis device would give the Federation the ability to use weapons of mass destruction with impunity. Cloak technology and the genesis device are highly regulated for the same reason.
Guinan - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:59:22 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have a feeling section 31 will come into play with this ship.

As for the monster beetle-thing, it may have been attracted to the sporestuff from normal space, or it may have been some sort of subspace monster, maybe they picked it up somewhere, but it seems potentially unrelated to the horrific disaster that killed everyone on the ship
Corporal R Ryan - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 15:43:00 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think so. If it's Discovery's sister ship, then it also is capable of running 300 science labs. It's probably unrelated to the disaster, but I think it was definitely already on the ship.
Lorca thanked the security officer, i forget her name, for teleporting the beast on board. It seemed like he went there knowing it was there and intending to retrieve it. I think that was their secondary mission.
So many times they've hinted at Lorca having some creepy shit going on. I think he was lying to Burnham and does have a covert agenda going on. One that Starfleet doesn't know shit about. And I doubt that Starfleet would just let him reinstate Burnham considering that she's the most infamous person in Starfleet right now. So I think he also did that without permission. But it could be that it just doesn't make sense.
Guinan - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 15:51:56 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good point that makes a lot of sense.. supporting evidence for your theory: the pilot of that shuttle wasn't mentioned after she got jettisoned, she was definitely in transporter range of the Discovery but if they didn't save her it would be because Lorca didn't want a witness reporting that Burnham wasn't on the prison transport when the other prisoners would likely just not be believed if they told the tale since they had just met Burnham in this transport
Corporal R Ryan - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:45:35 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah or maybe he actively knocked her off the side of the ship. It seems strange that she would suddenly just fly by the ship, something must have hit her. And I doubt it was the lifeform eating away at the ship.
Kathryn Janeway - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 19:47:06 EST ID:uEfsk53Y No.61332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I haven't caught up with the season 3 posts yet, but I am now totally convinced that this is in fact Fringe Trek.
Even the theme song is the original theme mixed with the theme from Fringe, and the secret military experiments stuff going on and general weirdness.
I keep expecting a Massive Dynamic logo to be next to the USS on the hull.
Leeta - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 20:18:40 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61333 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, they redshirt people readily on this show. The pilot, a security guy, (I was hoping Tilly,) and a whole fucking ship's crew. Brutal.
Also, brutal, getting an autistic roommate. I swear that is what they meant by Tilly's condition. Guess we know who the new Barkley is...

I will say I really enjoyed the tribble on Lorca's desk. Sure, the continuity is a bit fucked up...although ENT sort of did that already with Phlox using them as pet food...but it was a nice touch.
Lt. Joseph Carey - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 22:16:49 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.61340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I like this show less the more I watch it, but I get why other people enjoy it.

>I have a feeling section 31 will come into play with this ship.

Well, even the fucking registry is NCC-1031 so I don't think they're even trying to hide the fact.

I would have liked it better if there were more of them every time Burnham entered his ready room.
Tora Ziyal - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 22:17:22 EST ID:51Oyzcxc No.61341 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What's the deal with the water? Is there any chance this all has something to do with fluidic space?
Tora Ziyal - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 22:30:22 EST ID:51Oyzcxc No.61342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Also, aside from the 3 limbs, kelpians look a lot like edosians. I wonder if, when they were designing Saru, maybe he started as an Edosian only for them to decide it was too impractical to add another arm.
DaiMon Bractor - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 23:11:53 EST ID:H1vJ1IyO No.61345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'll be back later today with an analysis of how this show is shit at lans flares.


FUCK, The webm size limit is still 5 meg on this board.
Anyway let's hope I've thwarted CBS's AUTOMATIC FUCKING CONTENT ID WITH ADS.

This is literally what Fair Use is for, cunts.

Fuck CBS. Jesus christ.

Juan Cena - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 00:02:10 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61346 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Jason Isscas said it is a tardigrade in an interview with Rotten Tomatoes. And, it does look like one. The Glenn crew probably experimented on one because tardigrades can survive in really harsh conditions.
Guinan - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 00:03:59 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61347 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey, man! I never said I liked it.. at least not yet, it's too early to tell. I just see a potential for it not to be complete shit.

>I would have liked it better if there were more (tribbles) every time Burnham entered his ready room.
That would be as hilarious as this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQ6qGU2GyI

>What's the deal with the water? Is there any chance this all has something to do with fluidic space?
Please let it be so... that would make a good reason to make knowledge of this classified as fuck and would be a legit Trek tie in.. (ditto to the Albino klingon being THE Albino, so long as they explain the bad blood between the three KlingonBros and him)

Makes a lot of sense if you axe me

That's why I'm watching this exclusively on the pirate tube even if I like it.. CBS fucked up bigtime if they think people want to watch any of their shit-tier shows besides filthy normies. HOW MANY FUCKING COP SHOWS DO YOU THINK I CARE TO EVEN WATCH JESUS FUCK YOU'VE BEEN MAKING THE SAME SHOW FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND JUST CHANGING THE NAME AND CHARACTERS FUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

But srsly you make a good point about these fucking pointless lensflares made by warp effects in a shuttle that SHOULD NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO GO TO WARP ANYWAYS.. I mean goddamn it's not like the Discovery didn't eventually go to the sister ship anyways, so why the fuck did they even send a shuttle in the first place? WASTE OF DILITHIUM IN WARTIME, this is what post-scarcity mentality gets us, wastefullness! WASTE!

And for that reason the lensflares are extra, extra pointless

>mfw I think about this
Guinan - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 00:10:08 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61348 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's BS, they look like a squishy six armed maggot with claws and a sharp, toothy asshole for a mouth

pic related

that thing looked like a big mean beetle.. maybe he means it's LIKE a tardigrade but if he's being literal, that's some bullshit
Leeta - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 00:47:58 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Total tardigrade mouth. I can see the resemblance.
Also, they were fucking with some hardcore space science. The idea is that it is mutated somehow into Monstardigrade! The Destroyer!

I did like the whole, Did he just shush you? bit....
Juan Cena - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 01:36:04 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61353 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yep, obvious that it mutated. Back in 2013, Scientific American ran an article claiming that sentient tardigrades could of saved the Enterprise in ST: Into Darkness.


*mind blown*
Juan Cena - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 01:37:38 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61354 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Correct link: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/but-not-simpler/how-tardigrades-saved-the-enterprise/
Ensign Wright - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 06:27:04 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not going to waste a lot of words on ep 3. I didn't like it. I mean, it's better than the pilot, but the pilot was legit pretty bad. This is better by sheer virtue of them having to squeeze the same amount of story with more characters in a smaller episode.

The thing is, if this weren't being sold as Star Trek, and people weren't constantly namedropping Starfleet, original characters, and other Trek concepts, I'd probably enjoy it a lot more. It's more like a crappy knockoff of The Expanse than Trek. One thing that struck me was how DARK the episode was. I was watching it in the middle of the night, and I still had to strain to see what was going on on the ship of horrors. And Lorca calling out that he was brooding in the dark was kind of nice, but they still fucking did it. Referencing it doesn't mean you didn't do the most cliché character intro ever. And the rest of the episode shows they're not as self-aware about it as they'd like to think.

Also, Mike is still a horrible Mary Sue.

I don't know how many chances I'm still going to give it.
Thalen - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 08:02:40 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well then just stop watching it now if you've already made up your mind.
Ensign Wright - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 09:36:45 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, I haven't given up on it yet, but thus far it hasn't really surpassed my expectations. And my expectations were pretty grim. Like I said, I can enjoy it as a sort of not-Trek. It seems more like a what-if kind of interpretation of the Star Trek universe. I find I usually watch about half a season before I really make my mind up on a series.
Mister Owl - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 13:05:32 EST ID:zpYHqVPg No.61361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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How many lens flares does it take to get to the end of a one minute shuttlepod scene?

Also as I said, these flares are a dark, raw <color=#0000ff> blue color, opaque and in no way lensflare-like.
Just when I was getting used to them being relatively unobtrusive in every battle scene, this 65 second bus ride had to fuck it all up.

That is literally a half-finished effect, which is funny because the half that is finished was generated by an after-effects plugin. It needs a color gradient and to be cranked down to half opacity.

It was clearly done by an editor and not an effects person. I'm assuming the editors at CBS are all burnt out from Crime-procedurals.
Nyota Uhura - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 13:54:00 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.61362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It's more like a crappy knockoff of The Expanse than Trek.

Oh shit.
If they actually ripoff the plot with the swirly glowing dots things I will get super mad.
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:11:38 EST ID:zpYHqVPg No.61363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh shit is it Babylon 5 time again?
Guinan - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:26:28 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I had to do this online bartending certification last night and most of it is just waiting for a narrator to slowly read you liquor law things... so naturally, I muted that shit and wanted to watch something.

I decided to get caught up on the Orville, since I only saw episode 2... and goddamn, that is a great show. Comparing the two trek-like shows, it is very clearly the stronger show, the more philosophical show, the show with more interesting characters.. basically, Discovery had two shitty episodes and an alright episode, and in my opinion Orville had 3 good episodes and an alright episode (the first one).. I'm glad there's two trek-like shows on nowadays but the truth is, Orville is the one I want to watch more and it's the one that feels more like real Star Trek. Discovery seems really forced.. it's got too much immersion breaking continuity errors, and those exist mainly to make things look shiny and cool. There's no reason to have hologram communications, and every time they do it just pisses me the fuck off.

I'm right there with you.. the third episode was a LOT better than the shitty two part pilot (which should have been a 15 minute intro scene and not 120 minutes of my life wasted) but it still wasn't by any means amazing. A knockoff of the expanse is a good description.. but of course the expanse's charm seems to be in that everything occurs within the solar system.

I'm not sure anything could have saved that movie. Even wiggly radiation-proof microcritters.

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll disappoint us in some monumental way soon enough and many of us will stop watching.. but I'd like to hope that this show can be decent. REMINDER: It cost at least 24 million for the episodes you've seen so far. That's $24,000,000.00.

Fact is, BOTH of these series will likely get canned, one because it's on Fox and they hate sci-fi for some reason, the other because it's absurdly expensive and if it doesn't become and continue to be absurdly successful, the cost will be hard to justify, so I suppose we should enjoy them while they last..

..but if I had to throw my weight behind one, it would be Orville for sure at this point.
Guinan - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:29:50 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:57:41 EST ID:zpYHqVPg No.61368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Holy shit. The expanse is everything people were speculating about Star Trek Discovery early on but about Babylon 5.

What if Babylon 5 started with detective Michael Garibaldi doing his job in a harsh system trying to solve a murder? Meanwhile Ivanova is flying a mining ship and Bruce Boxleitner is showing off his earth-grown abs fucking in zero-g? Meanwhile all of the diplomacy takes place on earth and all of the Minbari are actually just indian women with soothing deep voices like purring tigers.

Earth is Earth, Mars is Centauri, Belt is Narn.

The whole mystery and development of what the hell the spores actually are is so good in the Expanse.
If Discovery were to draw it out as long as the Expanse did it's already a ripoff, even if it turns out to do completely different things.
Leeta - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:03:57 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>..but if I had to throw my weight behind one, it would be Orville for sure at this point.

Just cost-wise Orville wins. Throw in the fact that Fox is wedded deeply to McFarlene...I mean, the guy owned all the Sunday programming for years...as well as the lower cost, and yeah, McFarlene is probably set to beat STD. Even if just by a half season or so.

Interestingly, both Fox and CBS ordered the same amount of episodes for both. 13. They bumped up STD by two for a total of 15. My BET...and this is just spitballing...is that the 2-hour pilot is where the "extra two," got placed. It would explain the weird start of the show. Instead of this weeks episode being the pilot, they threw the extra two episodes on at the front "to build backstory."
Gul Ranor - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:10:21 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61372 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think you're right.
When you start episode 3 it feels like a perfect starting point. In fact, I'm trying to get my buddy to watch it and I told him to just start at episode 3. All you'd have to do is say that Burnham mutinied on a ship and started a war and they'd be all set to start the show.
Leeta - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:47:46 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Agreed. It also makes it feel more like Trek. Especially with the exposition by the felons. I think going with that and then dealing with Burnham in flashbacks over the whole first season would have been a better path.

I keep getting the feeling that CBS has no idea what to do with a web series and feel like it needs to somehow reject older, tried and true narrative methods. Like, some asshole in a suit at CBS is screaming, "WE NEED TO DISRUPT! DISRUPT IS A BIG HOT BUSINESS WORD! DO IT!"
Gul Ranor - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 18:05:38 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah pretty much. You can tell there's a lot of corporate meddling by the people up at the top who don't really know what they're doing.
They're ambitious no doubt. They're trying to compete with Netflix and Hulu and HBO GO and all that shit. So they think that they need to step it up and make it bigger and better than Game of Thrones. They don't seem to understand that if they stuck with the tried and true formula that they'd have a guaranteed success, at least in the long run.
Ulani Belor - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 18:13:49 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Welcome to every big name media corporation ever.

Now repeat after me.

>Piracy did it
Captain Kurn - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 19:41:13 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.61378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
New ep was slightly less garbage, but only because it had more focus and thus had less things it had the opportunity to fuck up. The characters have no subtlety and all their behavior is constantly turned up to 11. Michael Burnham still feels like the center of the whole goddamn universe instead of simply being the character who's eyes we're seeing the narrative unfold through. Saru continues to suck her dick even though she literally got their previous captain killed and started the war they're all fighting in. "Sir, It's true Benedict Arnold attempted to sell us out to the redcoats, but he was one of the most capable officers we've ever worked with, I recommend putting him back on field duty!"
This is supposed to be Starfleet's first mutineer? I never got that impression. Everyone seemed vaguely annoyed that they had a new person assigned to their team, the general annoyance of having to brign someone up to speed on a project. Not the supressed hatred of someone who's wanton betrayal of their oath has resulted in over 8,000 deaths in the past two years. They treated her like Bill Maher after he used jolly african-american, not Robert E Lee after he betrayed the Union and helped invade Pennsylvania. Remember when Kirk was about to be the first court marshal of a captain in history, how much hell they expected he would catch for the high crime of fucking negligence? None of that here, just an afternoon of discomfort while people people see her around the ship. "Oh she hasn't betrayed us and sold us out to the Klingons in the last 24 hours, I guess it was a one time screw up! Guess I'll apologize for feeling uncomfortable around her and judging her based on her past behavior"

Speaking of undeserved apologies, Tilly is a fucking mess. Jesus Christ, this is the most cringe inducing depiction of a socially awkward person I've ever seen, and not in an enjoyable "cringe for laughs" sit-com way. There was nothing clever about Tilly, just having her stammer out too much information about herself unprovoked, have awkward stage direction where she just seems to be standing places and reading her lines (okay, I know Star Trek doesn't have the most dynamic physical movements even normally, but Tilly just seemed like even her character knew she didn't fucking belong as a part of this crew and was trying to will herself out of existence in her posture), and be too much of a pussy to stand up for herself (that's the 2nd main cast member of this series who's defining trait is "easily bullyable pussy") TIlly is written more painfully than Sheldon in terms of how the writers establish that her memorable traits are her personality defects. They couldn't let her breathe for a moment, every second she was on screen she was acting like the biggest fucking mess. At least Barclay had some kind of talent for engineering and could pass as normal is he just shut the fuck up. Tilly better turn out to be a fucking autistic super computer or she might be the new worst character.

I don't know if I hate Lorca yet, but I hate his stupid plot device eyes they're using to justify not lighting the set of the discovery properly.

The only two characters I like are the Chief of Security and Lt. Gay Fungus, but that's only because their defining character traits were "gruff" and "snarky" and when you put those traits into the hyper-heightened processing all the other characters went though you get two character who seem to hate Michael and this show just as much as I do, and that makes them my motherfucking favorite characters in this shitheap. Every time they tell her to shut the fuck up or that she doesn't deserve answers I wanna give them a high five.

There was more dumb shit besides the characters, but the one that made me fucking laugh out loud was the fucking breathalyzer security locks. Fucking really? FUCKING REALLY? A fucking military spaceship on the front lines of a war that is doing top secret illegal research, and you've got one-step verification that can be hacked with a damp rag and a hair dryer? You're using tech that fucking drunk 20th century Australians figured out how to fool to start their cars after getting DUIs? Fucking piss off, Starfleet deserves to lose.
Dr. Reyga - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 20:35:29 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Spoilers man...

Anyway, I agree that Tilly is a fucking nightmare. I think the goal was to make her Burnham's only friend and have her awkwardness drive some plot tensions, but instead you just get, "Annoying Barkley with bad skin." And yeah, they did treat the mutiny thing lightly. And with Starfleet going "full military," you'd think everyone would be really ratcheted up about Burnham's mutiny. Fuck the war thing...which was gonna happen no matter what...And seriously it should all be Georgiou's fault because she was all, "Sure, heading over there with just two slightly built females against multiple Klingon's is a great fucking idea." Special ops man...or at least some of the larger security guys! Anywho, people should be just about fucking losing their shit every time Burnham walks in, and Lorca should be having to deal with a ling a mile long of people objecting to her even being on board.

I feel like they could have just made Burnham the scapegoat for starting the war and done as well. The captain, having been killed gets a pass for the stupid decision, and Burnham gets all the blame and knocked down a rank or two and given some shit duty. Everyone thinks she started the war, etc. She is just in limbo and then Lorca snags her up, and everyone shits themselves because the biggest asshole in the office got a promotion and the captain may be going off the rails by bringing her on. This "light treason," thing is a bridge too far.
Kira Meru - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 20:39:05 EST ID:mnIpG8LB No.61380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TIlly is written more painfully than Sheldon
This is kinda it. Pic related.

The annoying, anxious weirdo who craves acceptance and lowkey wants to save the world.

Barclay with no holodeck to work out his latent messiah complex.
Imagine Barclay: I'm going to be a captain!
Geordi: *Blinks internally*
>So like, of a freighter?
No, like in starfleet
>You know Dr. Crusher the dance instructor is ahead of you on that command list along with 60% of the non-civilian crew?
Fuck it this is stressing me out. I'm going to eat Couselor Troi's holopussy for the next 20 minutes.
>But we're all relaxing in 10-forward
Yeah, that's what I mean I can't take it in here with this synthahol. Right now I either need some fake pussy or some real booze. AND I WILL NOT LET THOSE INTERNET JOURNALISTS PAINT SOME GOOFY NERVOUS TALKING SLEEP FARTER LIKE TILLY AS STAR TREK'S FIRST ASPERGER PRINCESS. YOU WILL NOT TAKE THAT TITLE FROM ME.
Kira Meru - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 20:49:59 EST ID:mnIpG8LB No.61381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>You're a good engineer Barclay, you know that?
Thank you, I've been studying for 14 years.
>And you're still outranked by a 22 year old blind man. Know why?
Because you can see through walls?
>Because I can see through literal walls. Now go recalibrate the dilithium matrix
Okay, work can be relaxing.
>WTF Broccoli? I was joking
I was kinda looking forward to the soothing vibrations of the warp core
>Smash dat holo-puss for me. And that's an order, Broccoli.
Dr. Reyga - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:12:05 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Eat me, Reg!
Kira Taban - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 23:11:41 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61383 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Surprised to see all the love for the new episode here. When viewed after all we've heard leading up to it and after the horrible 2 part pilot I'll admit it look good but viewed outside of that own I don't think its that great.

Its almost like STD intentionally fed us a lot of stuff they knew we wouldn't like and gave us an absolutely horrible pilot just so when the real show got started it would look much better by comparison and we'd have gotten a lot of our bitching out of the way.

When looked at as a regular old late 2010's Sci-Fi show its really not bad albeit very similar to most of the sci-fi produced in the last 5 years or so. I'd probably give it a 5 or 6 out of 10; average and maybe slightly above average but the reality is its not just any sci-fi show, its Star Trek, and you have to take that into account. When I do I feel its drops considerably to a 2 maybe a 3 at best.

Episode 3 was leagues better than 1 & 2 but as a Trek show I still don't feel its very good and think Orville does a much better job for a whole lot less money.

I'll continue to watch but unless something drastically changes my head cannon is going to be Orville as the new Star Trek and STD as a standalone series.
Dr. Reyga - Tue, 03 Oct 2017 23:34:57 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's legit.
A big part of this is that everyone has a different amount of "Trek" they want to see. Some want this to be old school Kirk style trek. Others may lean towards the later TNG series. Some may even like the JJ'ing of Trek. Blasphemy, I know...but still...I think that Trek is so personal now and the canon so diverse, there is a spectrum to choose from.
Personally...less JJ on this Trek please. With a dash of TOS vulcans thrown into the Burnham persona.
Redshirt Tilly....
Corporal F Hawkins - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:23:16 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lol I kinda like Tilly.
And I definitely like the sexy security chief.
The only crew member I don't really like is sassy gay guy science officer.
Khan Noonien Singh - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 04:42:36 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd say the "love" is more an acknowledgement that it's not as shit as the pilot. It isn't. I still didn't like it very much.

>Its almost like STD intentionally fed us a lot of stuff they knew we wouldn't like and gave us an absolutely horrible pilot just so when the real show got started it would look much better by comparison

A similar thought crossed my mind yesterday. It's almost like they consciously did multiple things "wrong" so that haters wouldn't have a unified story. There's obviously all the social justice messages they've been broadcasting into the ether, and I've seen retarded "reviews" that complain about SJW shit while there isn't any in the show. I mean, its progressive tally (that's, you know, when you count the number of minorities to judge something) isn't stacking up to be all that great, really. And I'm deducting a point if Tilly is supposed to have assburgers, because she's a stereotype. But oh boy, does it provide plenty of ammo for STD shills who shit up the internet by accusing critics of being bad people.

And they changed the entire look, so other people who don't like the show are obviously people who are too obsessed with details. And so on and so forth. And every time you tell people you don't like it because it doesn't follow the template laid out by Trek, the focus on a crew instead of an individual, the emphasis on interpersonal relationships, the positive image of the future, etc. etc. they can pull out one of these examples to peg you ass. I don't give a damn about the beeps and bloops. I DO give a damn that we suddenly have a main character, and that she follows the literal definition of a Mary Sue. A term that originated in Trek fan fiction for horrible, female self-inserts.

>Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age.
Mike is the only human to attend/graduate from the Vulcan Science Academy. She obviously isn't old.
>Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling.
Mike has been mentioned to be very skilled in technobabble, as well as Vulcan martial arts, which she used to beat up three people at once.
>This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the Big Three [Kirk, Spock, and McCoy], if not all three at once.
Mike is Spock's half sister, and loved by Sarek, who lowkey rejected Spock for his human half.
>She saves the day by her wit and ability, and, if we are lucky, has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire ship.
She has. And we won't be that lucky.

It's not like I set out to hate this character. But I'm not blind, goddamnit. When you've got people talking about her the way they do, I can see what that looks like. This list was written in the freaking 70's, so how much effort is it to not tick every fucking box?

I think Trek has a clearly definable set of core elements that everything from TOS to ENT adhered to. Sure, VOY and ENT didn't do it well, likely because they suffered from a gradual breakdown where crew synergy petered out. But I'm seeing it in The Orville, so if a man who's know for his shitty sense of humour can emulate Trek decently, I'd say it's not actually a very tall order. And sure, a lot of people who call themselves fans will tell you that it's great there's a new Trek that's just not Trek at all, but then they're not really fans of the original, are they? I saw one on Plebbit, and he had a fully Trek username, and all he was doing was telling people how much old Trek sucked, and how good STD is. And that's one of THE most common arguments I've seen in favour of ST All of or parts of old Trek sucked, so you can't say STD sucked, because that makes you a hypocrite.
Kira Taban - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 06:32:12 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Of course we will never know but I would be really curious to see how everyone would have reacted had the first and second episode never been made and the show started with episode 3.

I can't say for sure myself because I saw eps 1&2 before 3 but I really do feel like episode 3 wouldn't be as positively received if it was the first episode. I think the pilot was so bad that it just makes episode 3 look halfway decent. It still has a lot of flaws but because 100 flaws is nothing compared to 1000 it doesn't appear to be that bad and people are more accepting of them.

As I mentioned in my other post I think as a show STD isn't terrible compared to the rest of the sci-fi we have today. In that regard I do think its fairly average. It suffers from the same things those shows suffer from and has a very similar feel. Its not horrible but its not particularly noteworthy. However it is a Trek show and when looked at in that light I think it fails terribly. Well below any other trek show to date. I'm currently on my 6th 100% rewatch and about about halfway through DS9 S5 and VOY S3 right before First Contact and coming from watching that with STD thrown in as it airs the differences just become more and more apparent and irreconcilable.

It doesn't feel like Trek it doesn't look like Trek. It looks and feel like a cookie cutter modern grimdark sci-fi show. I don't want it to be bad. In fact, I desperately wanted it to be good. I would kill for some good new Trek but it doesn't seem like this is it. I just hope STD doesn't kill the franchise for another decade or worse do well enough that this is what Trek becomes from now on.
Corporal F Hawkins - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:42:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61389 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Its almost like STD intentionally fed us a lot of stuff they knew we wouldn't like and gave us an absolutely horrible pilot just so when the real show got started it would look much better by comparison and we'd have gotten a lot of our bitching out of the way.
That's not a very smart strategy. They pissed off probably 7/10 Star Trek fans and all the not fake critics. That would be like shooting yourself in the leg to save your arm.
Private W Woods - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:25:32 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.61390 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>That would be like shooting yourself in the leg to save your arm.

But is a wheelchair going to jerk me off? -CBS bigwigs
Private W Woods - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 12:43:40 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.61392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everyone wants to be the next Game of Thrones.

Nobody remembers the fact that Season 1 of Game of Thrones was purely a product of solid writing and characters which glossed over EVERY SINGLE battle just like Rome before it.

It wasn't until its success that we started getting our Hardhomes and our Blackwaters and DOTHRAKI IN AN OPEN FiELD.

Because HBO knows what it's like to run out of money making an over-ambitious epic. The second season of Rome is an absolute sprint through three seasons of material because they couldn't afford to continue.
Rome was just as good as GoT early on and with as much potential. Discovery feels like it got all the money it needed to ensure its success as a plot driven Star Trek show, but instead of sitting on their funding and strengthening the developing show over time they've gone straight back to over-ambition.

They spend millions on razzle-dazzle and yet still can't get lens flares right.

The saving grace of this show is going to be Lorca. Our glorious anti-hero. Calling it now.
Leck - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 12:47:53 EST ID:bKYgMG8Z No.61393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Really makes you think.
Dr. Reyga - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 13:11:00 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Totally agree.
A big pitfall with sci-fi is that the SFX are expected to be over the top and awesome. So, that sucks up a huge amount of cash, and you start getting scenes that are thrown in just so we can have a cool space battle or something. Story takes a back seat to "Can we out-do Michael Bay for geez wizz graphics and explosions?"
A lot of the best sci-fi stories out there had no budget, and thus had to focus on shit like actual story and character development! Moon...Primer....Hell, all of Firefly was on a shoe string. Take the money and spend more of it on A listers and top writers. Shit, this is early Trek...the Discovery should be a SMALLER ship anyway. Instead we have these expansive sets that are all blinged out. I think the only "accurate" thing I have seen set-wise is Burnham's quarters. The grunts obviously get the shitty, smaller, quarters. Like happens in an actual navy. That was nice to see. But, fuck, everything else seems unusually spacious. And this is on a ship that OBVIOUSLY is smaller than Enterprise due to that weird gap in saucer section. Why waste that space? Weird design choice.
Private W Woods - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 13:43:03 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.61396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Why waste that space? Weird design choice.

Because it lets the viewer know where we are in the ship most of the time. And given how we can finally do all of the bridge zoom in shots that Roddenberry always wanted, it's a clever way of giving cues to unite the external view of the ship with the internal sets.

For example: do you even know where Ten-forward is? I can literally only tell you that it's somewhere on the front and that it's round. But literally every single part of 1701-D is round. Primary hull? Secondary hull? IDFK. I know it's been shown in external shots and any true trek nerd could tell me but I dunno where it is. The internal shots and external models have always been separated.
But I know very clearly where Lorca's menagerie is. They did a great job with the bridge zoom in shot that Trek has been craving since TOS, and when MONStardigrade is chasing them all around the ring of the Glenn, we know exactly where they are and also have a decent sense of scale as well.

It does look a little weird, and they did it for completely outside of universe reasons but they're already getting mileage out of the ship design choices. And since they apparently weren't allowed licensing to the classic aesthetic this works for me.

The secondary hull is pretty enormous though thanks to the Ralph McQuarrie aesthetic.
Dr. Reyga - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 14:30:04 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, the back end of Discovery is pretty massive. Especially compared to say, Enterprise, which had that sleeker tube design.

And your theory on set design is pretty damn good! Never thought of it that way. Makes sense though. It gives them more internal options. Especially since the "curved hallway," is a big thing in Trek.
Dr. Reyga - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 18:12:08 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
CBS is owned by Russians?
Guinan - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 22:03:35 EST ID:ei7zpujx No.61418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Believing the Russian meme
C'mon nigga we were faced with the choice between Kai Winn and Grand Nagus Zek for Federation President. It was about as organic of an election as it could have been and Section 31 is trying to get you to think it was Romulans. And you're buying it.

Sure, it's a shitty result, but it's quite likely we could be balls deep in PahWraith possessions now in the alternative, so who's to say this isn't the better timeline?
Ranjen Solbor - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 22:08:13 EST ID:fHuD/KPH No.61419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Silver lining: the nagus is an endless supply of jokes.
Jimmy - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:30:45 EST ID:2+a+B8nP No.61431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The generally warm reception STD has received from most Trekkies really has me questioning the intelligence of this fandom. And then after seeing all these effusive posts about ep 3, I was thinking 'oh man, it's gonna be great, I'm just gonna put all that shit I didn't like about the pilot out of my head, it's a Star Trek episode at least!' Man wtf are you ppl smoking. There is so much goddamn shit wrong with this episode I don't even know where to start.
I won't even bring up every single thing that is wrong with space-autism & space-gay: the diversity the movie the series the life, because if I do I think I will have my own inner explosion of space autism and die of space aids. So we're just going to shelve that.

My question is how can any of you people hear all that fucking bogus bullshit about how we can now travel through space because the power of fungus is everywhere and if it doesn't make sense to you how we can travel anywhere in the universe instantaneously because there's like uh fucking space spores like everywhere man then you're just a shit for brains who is going to be condescendingly told that biology and physics are the same thing by a snarky space fag. How can you accept this bullshit? This is beyond the tier of any kind of bullshit pseudoscience we have EVER been asked to suspend disbelief on for the sake of a Trek episode. This is beyond giant salamanders, people. Beyond giant salamanders! Everyone who is defending this episode, explain this shit to me. Explain to me why I'm going to have to defend WARP FUNGUS with a straight face from now on every time someone is needling me about why Trek is full of shit.

Literally the only thing that made me happy in this whole episode was the prop design of the data chips. A perfect blending of the shape of the TOS data cards and the translucent nature of TNG isolinear chips. Man, I kept thinking on and on about how dank that prop was. When the best thing out of a 45 minute Trek episode is one prop seen for maybe 15 seconds, we got probs fam.
Guinan - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 05:12:15 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're right man it's pants on head retarded but I just want so badly for it not to suck.. but the truth is if that's the background of this whole season it's just as dumb as the Sarek katraphone in the pilot. What I want to know is when Sarek goes into PonFar, does Michael become a horny slut that fucks anything that moves since she has some of his katra?

But the more I think about it, the more I think it's just an Axanar ripoff with some Expanse thrown in there because 'people like that'.
Corporal R Richards - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:05:00 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.61434 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This is why I don't trust professional critics
Kotan Pa'Dar - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:15:43 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's a huge push from CBS to reviewers to give mostly positive reviews
Corporate hires all sorts PR firms to go online and post good things about it, good userreviews, forum oosts, in stag ram pictures, hash tags etc, they do this for everything media related.
They skew the numbers hard when things like this come out because usually fans have loud voices but then when trekkie get angry at certain plot points it's easy to write them off in articles "7 reasons Star Trek: Discovery is the darkest and grittier scifi in the last 20 years" because it sounds nerdy as fuck to complain about warp nacelles or tractor beam tech or holograms interacting with objects not in the room with them. But for fucks sake a show with this kinda budget shouldn't be making stupid mistakes and it's already doing them in spades. I'll keep watching just to see if it improves but they got about 3 episodes before I'm off board, maybe it'll be like TNG and need 3 seasons to get repeatedly good. I hope it doesn't last more than one season though because michael is a fucking terrible actor
Data - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 08:06:02 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>maybe it'll be like TNG and need 3 seasons to get repeatedly good

I keep seeing this and I kind of feel like its just rationalizing and wishful thinking. Yeah, some of the other series got better with time but they still looked and felt like trek and had the soul of a trek show; STD doesn't. When I first started really watching Trek instead of just watching whatever episode was on I started at TOS and worked my way through the whole series. Some of them, most even, didn't start as well as they finished but every time I started on a new series it still felt like I was watching Star Trek. There may have been some bumps to smooth out but the road was already there and you could tell what it was and could be.

Plus STD had so much material to work off of and so much time and money poured into its development that there really is no excuse to be as bad as it is, miss the mark as much as it does, and have as many glaring mistakes as it does. They couldn't even get the fucking opening theme right even after seeing the reaction when ENT strayed from tradition.

When a show with a tiny amount of your budget that took a fraction of the time to make and isn't even canon is more accurate and feels more like the franchise you're supposed to be a part of than you do something is seriously wrong. The worst part about the whole thing is there are really only two likely outcomes: the shows fails miserably and kills the franchise for another decade or it does well and this is what trek becomes for the foreseeable future. To top it all off, as you touched on in your post, they've pretty much made it to where any criticisms of the show are just written off.
Li Nalas - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 10:07:26 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not seeing a warm reception. Not here, at least. And despite STD threads on Rebbit being upvoted like mad, the reactions themselves are highly critical. Frankly, I think there are definitely paid shills slamming their upvote buttons. As I mentioned before, you have fans with fanny names unconditionally loving STD and slamming oldschool Trek. Astroturfing like this is easy, cheap, and effective. And for those reasons I believe many of the positive reactions might be bought. Undoubtedly many also aren't. Bad taste is universal.

Honestly, the meme of the bad first seasons being used to excuse STD is pissing me off. First off, it isn't true. TOS didn't have a bad first season. It had a bad last season. TNG had a bad first season, and the second season might contain some worse-than-average episodes, but it also contains some timeless classics that forever cemented that show as one of the best on television. DS9 was never really bad. It simply got better. VOY never managed to get its gorilla of its back, and in my opinion never actually became that much better. There's definitely no real, clear divide except Seven joining the crew. And that's because Jeri Ryan is actually a good actress who can portray an emotionally distant character in a way that's still charismatic and easy to empathize with. Something STD should be taking notes on. ENT had three bad seasons and is a four season show. It never came into its own in the traditional sense. It was cancelled because it couldn't hack it.

So the whole wisdom really only counts for TNG in any real degree, and that's because the causes were unique to it. TOS, DS9, VOY, and ENT weren't an awkward bridge between two ages, run by an aging Gene Roddenbury, trying to recycle old TOS scripts. There's no Chaos on the Bridge documentary for these shows... because there wasn't any.

Not to mention that the argument is comparitive. It's easy to say early TNG or DS9 is bad when knowing what comes after.

And secondly, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, everyone who uses the argument is basically saying early TNG, for instance, sucked. So what is their problem? They have no issue saying something sucks... so how is that an argument for coming down on people saying something sucks? Surely, if they have the right of it, STD will become better and people will acknowledge that?

A few weeks ago we showed a supposedly bad first season TNG episode to a friend who had never seen Trek. Guess what? He thought it was entertaining television. Because it is, and all the incestuous fan garbage about writ-in-stone knowledge of what is bad and what is good is, simply, bullshit.
Third of Five - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:07:08 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this is a great post. nb.
Third of Five - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:22:03 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61443 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I have nothing constructive to add except my general responses to the episodes so far:
>Michael is a literal superhero. Not a real character. This is a comic book.
>The way cbs structured the pilot / series is really stupid.
>my wife keeps saying 'when do they start discovering stuff?'
>section 31 hints are beyond obvious.
>of course the pilot and only guard of four prisoners is lost on a spacewalk
>this is BSG with a starfleet insignia.
>oooh monsters from another dimension how original and not at all like Perfect Strangers
>episode three is setting us up for Event Horizon the Star Trek

I appreciate the urge to give a new vision to star trek, but ffs make it a new vision not just a hodgepodge of contemporary science fiction.
Erika Benteen - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:37:59 EST ID:lLULZtIw No.61444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well the thing is, she does the Vulcan nerve pinch on the captain, and then the captain gets up 20 seconds later because Michael is a human without Vulcan strength or psychic fingers.

The wisecrack the security officer or whoever made about vulcan martial arts was right. That shit ain't ideal for a human.

Plus she has no normal cultural identity. She's just full of trauma and Vulcan education.
Thomas Riker - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:48:00 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61446 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>how can any of you people hear all that fucking bogus bullshit about how we can now travel through space because the power of fungus

It's a fictional show. You suspend your disbelief for fucks sake. There is so much shit in Star Trek that doesn't make sense in reality. What are you smoking that makes you think Star Trek 100% of the time makes sense in real life? Yes it sounds silly but there is a ridiculous amount of shit that is silly in Star Trek.
Did you yell at the screen about how music doesn't work that way when the catullans lulled the crew with their dumbass hippy songs?
Idk how you can be so critical of stuff that doesn't make sense in Discovery but totally ignore all of the campy retarded shit that has happened in every other series.
If you look back on all of the ridiculously unrealistic shit that has happened in the series of Star Trek, some kind of warp drive that runs on fungus is not nearly as farfetched as some other things.
Thomas Riker - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:54:14 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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To be fair though, I don't think they should have introduced the spore shit in the first episode. Or they should have introduced it with more technobabble.
Erika Benteen - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:06:02 EST ID:lLULZtIw No.61449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You suspend your disbelief for fucks sake.

Only when the rules are consistent. If a piece of fiction can't obey its own rules it becomes Charmed. All of the drama goes away because there are no stakes, death doesn't matter and the writers don't give a shit.

Choosing to make a prequel series locked them into EVEN more rules than they'd have to deal with otherwise. Now we're going to need a reason the intergalactic fungus net isn't something that anyone knows or cares about in the future when they only just cracked warp 6 without blowing up the engines.
Guinan - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:23:34 EST ID:zrklsd5Z No.61450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The farfetched part is the implication that the galaxy itself is a big fungus spore thing when it's actually plasma instead. As
>>61447 said, it's the lack of technobabble that made this feel like some retarded flat earther fantasy.. even if the galaxy were made of fungus instead of rarefied electrically active hydrogen, at space temperatures the spores would be inert, and secondly the existence of space spores doesn't make any sense as a transportation medium when all they do is that themselves with it, at least without some explanation.

Yeah it's pretty fucking stupid, but the rest of the episode was serviceable. I want to be clear that I don't think this a good series by any means.. so far 2/3 of it had been shit and it's pretty dumb overall, the characters aren't all that likeable, the setting sucks because the lights are all in low power mode and it's still a goddamn prequel littered with continuity errors.

It's unlikely I'll make it through half the first season at this point. If say anyone who praised this as good or great is a shillbot, or is lying to themselves. In my earlier post I only said it wasn't terrible and was a lot better than the pilot episodes. But that is not an endorsement, just to be clear.
Third of Five - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:36:41 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the writing staff literally just wrote their fantasy discussions wherein they are always right and the march for science actually was about science and not science!tm.
Enabran Tain - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 13:53:06 EST ID:wxvIFlM0 No.61458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm glad at least some folks on this board recognized how beyond-the-pale crazy that is. Also, my comment about the warm reception is mostly targeted at people I know personally, although the reception here at least has some quality of luke-warm-ness, whereas in the build up to release it was what's cooler than cool? ICE COLD
Look, I'm all for trying to use sensible in-universe canon information to try to suspend my disbelief, and I think it's a core strategy for enjoying sci-fi. I even made a thread pages back where I tried to come up with canonical explanations to aid in the suspension of disbelief for various contentious technobabbles, and nobody liked that shit.
Along that vein, yes, you can be either hypnotized by a song or knocked unconscious by a strong enough sound wave. So that doesn't scan. And 'Journey to Eden' is widely regarded as one of the most BS TOS episodes, even though I love it. Finally, your argument is 'see, there's this other shit that doesn't make sense, so you have to accept ALL shit that doesn't make sense' doesn't follow either.

But here's the reason warp spores are on a totally different level from anything we've ever been presented before in Trek: it's not only asking us to suspend our disbelief, it's insulting to our intelligence, and totally ignorant of both real world physics and previously established Trek physics. I don't try to defend giant salamanders, nor am I able to suspend disbelief about them, because the very concept is insulting to my intelligence (there's nothing about either the real universe or the Trek universe that would make me think that it's possible to go so fast you are everywhere at once, and that because of that, you turn into a giant salamander. As Guinan said, that's pants-on-the-head retarded.) If we are to just accept anything, then this would be a fantasy show. Part of the premise for accepting strange and wonderful things in SF that at least nominally, there's an explanation for it.
Similarly, the basic premise, that there are these space spores that are everywhere in the galaxy (nevermind that huge chunks of our galaxy are filled with the kind of radiation that will blast away molecules down to their protons, but whatever) and that because they are out there, we can quantumly lock onto them somehow and just teleport to wherever they are, just doesn't make any sense. Trek has always been grounded in the harder side of sci fi. Sure, sometimes you get floating lightbulbs that feed on hate, or planets that appear and disappear, or whatever, but they are within the realm that you can believe, with sufficiently advanced technology, or millions of more years to progress, or billions of possible lifeforms in the galaxy, that they *could* maybe just maybe if you squint enough, happen. Usually, when some weird physics thing is proposed, it's based on at least a common knowledge understanding of some real world physics thing. Anti-matter is real shit, and all the stuff they are concerned with possibly happening in connection to it are based on the real world properties of anti-matter.

Yes, panspermia is maybe a real thing. Yes, quantum mechanics is for sure a real thing. But this hand-wavey, psuedo-mystical mumbo-jumbo about how because of those two things, people who we know to be relatively technologically primitive, can come up with some way to just instantly travel anywhere just because they know these spores just happen to be everywhere...no man, I don't buy it. It's dumb, there are a million and one better ways to explain the same plot device (that the Discovery will be able to travel anywhere instantly...) which is a dumb plot device to give yourself in the first place.

You can suspend your disbelief on that if you want, it's up to you how to enjoy shows. I cannot, because it's too dumb. If you take it seriously, you're on the same level as taking giant salamanders seriously, and you need to ask yourself how much dumb shit you'll be willing to accept before you're willing to admit that the writers made poor choices. It almost seems like they are trying to come up with the most unbelievable shit possible because 'lol these dumbass Trekkies will buy anything, just string some sciencey words together and act condescending while explaining it, I sure as hell don't understand what these science words mean so they can't possibly either, right?' /rant
Li Nalas - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 14:59:13 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think the positive reception of STD might be the same thing I felt when I first saw JJTrek.

I was pretty starved for new Trek. I watched it, and the part of my mind that likes cheap action flicks said it was a nice movie. The references made me think that there was some real Trek behind it. I was completely willing to handwave all the typical things that made it suck, from the reboot nature to the retarded plot.

Why? Because I had hope. Hope that the old Trek would come back. Hope that the NEXT movie would be what they promised: Focused on exploration and typical Trek values. Hope that MAYBE there would be a new show in the vein of Trek.

And maybe all the people with the rationalizing arguments, from "all first seasons sucked" to "be glad we have new Trek, bro" are feeling that same thing. Because I heard those arguments in my head, too. But for me, that fleeting liking for JJTrek inocculated me. I've known what this appeal to superficiality feels like, and know the signs of something that's never going to follow up with what it has teased like a Caitian stripper. I see it as a coldblooded marketing trick. But I'm sure the people it works on don't.
Erika Benteen - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 15:51:45 EST ID:lLULZtIw No.61465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's what it is: Doctor Who shit.
Sometimes Doctor Who was playing it relatively serious with science, but the vast majority of the time they're making shit up. And new Who has never played it serious with science.

The only thing that's going to redeem the whole space fungus thing is if they're vastly wrong about what it can do or there's such a high cost that it simply isn't worth pursuing.
If it turns out to be this godly technology that can't be allowed to exist and has to be suppressed and we've never heard of it in the future, I'm sorry that's fucking bullshit.

So it really can't fucking work. It just can't. Whatever happened to the Glenn does not bode well and I can only hope that whatever teh fuck is going on isn't ripping off the Expanse.
Lt. Ro Laren - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:04:57 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just to switch gears a bit...

CBS is showing that they really have no clue how to do online streaming.

Ignore the hypetrain bits and the tl;dr is -

CBS wanted to show 8 episodes in one contiguous run as "Chapter 1," of the season story arc, and 8 for the second. Now, they have moved an episode from Chapter 2 to Chapter 1.

This is makes ZERO narrative sense. Filming for STD has most certainly wrapped up ages ago. Maybe some light polish is being applied at this point. Point is, the narrative was written for the chapters to be 8 and 7 episodes long. Now, we have 9/6. That will have to fuck with the whole sense of "chapters," unless they are just BSing and wrote the whole thing as one giant blob.

This seems like when they announced they were "adding two episodes," and we appear to have gotten the stupid "prequel pilot," model.

WTF? Look at successful streaming efforts. They either dump for a binge, or just not bother with the whole "chapter," thing. What CBS wants to do seems weird, awkward, and a recipe for disaster!
Data - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:11:16 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, either dump it all at once or air it once a week until its done. The only time split seasons really work is when you have 22 episode seasons and you do half in the fall lineup breaking for Christmas and New Years and returning to finish the season after that.
Jaresh-Inyo - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 20:31:10 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And like, 90% of that seems to be for union reasons....so...yeah. Agreed.
Karr - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 20:53:47 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Brathaw - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 20:55:15 EST ID:c9JRKJ/Y No.61491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're selling a channel with one headliner and shitload of reruns. A chaptered broadcast tries to deter dine n' dash viewers, except that tactic relied on a strong headliner. And it seems that the dine n' dash is happening anyway. Chaptering would have been brilliant if Discovery wasn't such a turd.
Dr. Mizan - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:23:25 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All it really does is piss people off. It might discourage some people from buying and then canceling but most of the people who plan to pay seem to be either planning to buy it once at the halfway mark and again at the end and then cancel it or wait until the whole season airs and then buy, binge, and unsubscribe. As bad as it is I wouldn't be surprised if people dump their subscriptions en masse pretty soon if it doesn't get markedly better.

Their format just doesn't work.Most people are just going to get it from Newsgroups, Warez, trackers, etc including those who would have probably watched had they not went about it the way they did.

Adding insult to injury you get it on Netflix as long as you aren't in the US.
Jaresh-Inyo - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 22:47:41 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sure the fuck not buying it. Honestly, if they just sold it via Amazon or Netflix for a buck or two an episode, I'd probably stop torrenting it like the criminal scum I am. But to buy into a subscription service for one show and literally a ton of the same old shit? Nawww... What do they even have that is any good on CBS? I am literally drawing a blank. It is police shows and bland sitcoms. Nothing else interesting. Shit, I'd sub to PBS before CBS...
Guinan - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 01:09:46 EST ID:0Awg6gLC No.61507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They literally don't even let you see episodes of any of the shows you've heard of.. you can only watch clips of criminal minds, and you can only watch the last episode of big bang theory.. if you'd even want to waste your time with either of those normie-drivel garbage shows
Dr. Mizan - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 02:56:34 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair I was never going to buy it. I use CouchPotato and SickRage for new content via Newsgroups and older/niche stuff I get from private trackers. I don't have cable or any streaming service or anything like that so its not like it really has an impact on me either way but its still a stupid decision on their part.
Dr. Denara Pel - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 18:11:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wait is this for real?

Why would they half ass their own streaming service?

You would think they would just put everything they possibly can on All Access. Are they really that incompetent that they couldn't get the royalties and shit hammered out so they can have decent content before it launched?

Jaresh-Inyo - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 18:30:23 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Probably because they want to protect their cable reruns and current season. Shit like CSI (insert Who song here...) runs constantly on cable networks. They are probably just trying have their broadcast cake and streaming cake at the same time.

Which never ends well...
Dr. Mizan - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 19:18:55 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, usenet is still doing great and definitely worth it IMO. I have a unlimited provider and a secondary block provider and with those plus CouchPotato for movies and SickRage for TV I get new episodes automatically downloaded and added to my media server within minutes of it ending without having to do anything.

I still use private trackers for a lot of things and Direct Connect hubs for a few others but I don't like to put all my eggs in one basket and automation of usenet makes it so easy.
Karr - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 19:42:19 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I have a unlimited provider
Mind giving them a plug? My ISP finally dropped free usenet last year and I've been mulling picking it up as a pay service
Dr. Denara Pel - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 20:21:20 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck. Shit has changed alot since I used it. Know of any good guides I could peruse to get a setup like yours?

Also, I wonder why CBS also thought fracturing the eco-system more would be a good idea. At some point people are like, "fuck it, no more," when having to deal with yet another streaming provider. Going through Netflix in Europistan and Maple Syrupachussetts seems like a smarter move. Netflix, Amazon, Hulu. Boom...pick one. People can't grep too much fracturing and how many have something that will concentrate their media for them? Very few. The ones who do are like...here. You know? Joe Dirt ain't going be familiar with Usenet and remember using nn to do what we now do here...sort of.
Dejar - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 20:27:53 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I use Supernews for unlimited and BlockNews for my block account. Definitely worth it IMO. If you can, wait until Black Friday. There are usually tons of deals.
Dejar - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 20:51:35 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not sure how deep you want to get into this but here are some links to get you going:


and as much as I hate to admit it there are some pretty good subreddits for this stuff. /r/usenet and /r/htpc plus the subreddits linked in the sidebars there have lots of good info and you can get help pretty quickly. /r/homelab and /r/datahoarder are pretty good too. I stayed away from circlejerk for a long time because of what I'd heard about it but honestly when you get away from the huge subs that are everything you've heard and worse and start getting into the niche communities its almost like being on an old BBS.

You probably do not want or need a set-up like mine. I'm a bit of a data hoarder. I've got a 24 bay server currently sitting at 192tb raw using 8tb WD reds.

You would probably be fine with synology or freenas set up with a few 4tb reds or just a JBOD setup in your current PC pooled with something like DrivePool if you are using Windows. Most people like to run Plex as their media server but I like Emby with a Kodi front end. I don't stream to my phone or to anywhere outside of my house though. Its all hooked up to my main PC and then I use RasPI 3s to send it to my TVs.

It seems kind of complicated but for a simple setup its really not and its not that expensive either.

>Also, I wonder why CBS also thought fracturing the eco-system more would be a good idea.

Honestly they are just behind the times and don't really get the current scene so they want to try to cash in on it but because they don't understand it they fuck it up terribly. I think its only going to get worse as cable starts to go the way of the print newspaper.
Guinan - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 04:51:55 EST ID:XBknZVTB No.61551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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the plebian way to do it is to use a tube feed like solarmoviez.to (make sure you have a good adblocker) or thedaretelly or similar

Either way fight the power and FUCK CBS
Dr. Denara Pel - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 15:44:14 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, I still have a Linksys DNS-323 so...I could use the upgrade...

This is a valid point. It gets complex though, because just recycling TOS wouldn't work either. There needs to be some sort of middle path. Lorca being all "evil" or whatever they have planned is just fucky. It feels like a bridge too far.
Major Rakal - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 17:05:33 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The episode title for tonight is "The Butcher’s Knife Cares Not for the Lamb’s Cry"

Lol, it sounds like some edgy college freshman wrote that.
Kor - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 17:45:37 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61566 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I guess you never liked these titles too:

DS9: Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
DS9: Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night
Major Rakal - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 17:50:21 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's more poetic. This sounds like a line Cersei would say in Game of Thrones.
Captain Edward Jellico - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:03:00 EST ID:cLaogaG1 No.61573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
After the last episode- the 4th- I'm officially done with this series.

Gave it every fucking chance.

Don't care anymore.

I'll watch Babylon 5 or something if I want new sci-fi shit i've not seen before
Juan Cena - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:56:16 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61574 Ignore Report Quick Reply

So, you would of stopped watching ST: TNG when it aired Code of Honor? Or, would you stopped watching after Naked Now?
Benny Russell - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:56:57 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.61575 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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"My ganglia remain unconvinced"
Benny Russell - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:58:09 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.61576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, don't lie. You'll keep watching it. Nb
Ensign Vorik - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:00:45 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.61577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What do those episodes have to do with what I've said?

My annoyance with these characters in STD is related to their being incredibly pretentious to one another and Michael seemingly being always on the verge of crying?

Is your statement that that Code of Honor wasn't good and that was episode 4 of TNG? Is that your premise here? Because if so that's really not my point.
Michael Sullivan - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:01:55 EST ID:F/cAAikx No.61578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did they say that Klingon ATE the captain of the Shenzhou's corpse? What the fuck??
Ensign Vorik - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:05:29 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.61579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My BEST defense of that would be that they were starving on the ship..

That's my BEST defense.
Juan Cena - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:12:17 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61580 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yes, that is my point. TNG had Naked Now followed by Code of Honor then The Last Outpost. It was a 1-2-3 punch.

Star Trek series are known to have rough first seasons. If people had your attitude during the first season of TNG, there wouldn't be anymore Star Trek.
Ensign Vorik - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:18:24 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.61581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Where does this meme come from about "the first couple seasons of every Star Trek"

To make it clear to everyone here- the reason they had those issues in the first two seasons was them going through 25, NOT KIDDING, writers in the first 2 seasons of TNG.

This is 2017. I'm sorry just because TNG was shit for the first two seasons doesn't really excuse this series. It's 30 years later guys. The precedent has ended it's life span as applicable to star trek shit.

DS9 wasn't like that ....

Voyager- for all it's shittiness- was pretty consistent from the beginning... That goes for ENT as well.
Talok - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:18:57 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, it isn't even remotely cannablism when you are from different planets...
Juan Cena - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:21:33 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61583 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I had watched the new episode yet. However, on DS9, Kor boasted that he ate the heart of an enemy Klingon. So, yea, Klingons are into cannibalism.
Kira Meru - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:31:55 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.61584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is the best episode yet because it's the first one where any Star Trek happened, and it took half the episode to get there. Hopefully that's not a one-time fluke.

Eating the heart is one thing, carving up an entire Michelle Yeoh for dinner is a little much, even for Klingons.
Juan Cena - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:40:15 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61585 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The production crew of DS9 admitted that the first season lacked direction. Voyager felt like it took place in the Alpha Quadrant instead of the Delta Quadrant. It wasn't "new" but the same. Enterprise..should I go on?
Ensign Vorik - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:44:05 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.61586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Point is- that shit don't apply here-

Those excuses don't get to apply here.

STD, in my opinion, is poorly written faux-trek garbage. Which I won't be caring about any further. Not that it matters. It's JUST my opinion. Show sucks.
Juan Cena - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:48:09 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61587 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It might be a little much but it shows Klingons have no issues eating sentient life like it is an animal.
Michael Sullivan - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:53:13 EST ID:F/cAAikx No.61588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Voyager season 1 was absolute garbage with terrible nonsensical choice after an other. About 4 seasons in it started to get decent but the show never redeemed itself. Yet a lot of people still enjoy it and many episodes are surprisingly watchable.

More on tonight's episode. I like Lorca. He's fucking based.
The security chief is a retard. Rip.
I almost kinda like the fact that the science officer guy is snippy with the captain. Its kinda funny to see the engineer being snarky.
This mushroom shit is silly AF. I'm imagining the tardigrade sitting at a terminal steering the ship when Burnham says "we may be looking at our new navigator."

I laughed a lot during this episode but its not supposed to be funny. What is going on
Michael Sullivan - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:59:46 EST ID:F/cAAikx No.61589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also. They are really missing the mark with the Klingons. They have no individual personality, are not compelling and don't feel real. I can't differentiate one from the other. TNG ds9 Klingons have personality. Gowron was a badass and fun. These guys are monotonous. They all have the same modulated voice. They all inunciate (so) the same. There's nothing distinguishing one from an other.
Curzon Dax - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 04:29:02 EST ID:oEIwfciz No.61592 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>The security chief is a retard. Rip.

She out did every red shirt combined with that death. I think the writers got confused as to who "tardigrade" was.
Based Gowron - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 05:11:38 EST ID:DFVtHqNO No.61593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think they are getting a lot of parts right, their attitudes towards outsiders, their aggression, their warlike nature, but they just feel so similar, no personalities.

I find that I can ignore the awful redesign of the Klingons just so long as they don't turn sideways so we see them in profile. That elongated skull and how the ridges protrude so much onto their noses just looks bad

Also, what Kol did wasn't Klingon, he should have just killed that geek straight up, not marooned him.
Tavek - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 05:21:04 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can get started really cheap if you wanted to. You can shuck WD Easy Store external HDDs which have 8tb WD reds in them. Best Buy runs sales on them all the time for ~$185 which is about as cheap as it gets. Just one in a PC with a usenet account set up with a couple simple automation programs will get you up and running. You can get a fair amount of stuff on 8tb. If you wanted more than one or wanted to add more later you could go for a super simple solution like Stablebit Drivepool which just makes them look like one big volume. If you are concerned about drive failure there are better setup with parity, etc as well as some kind of back up either cloud or off site but thats more drives and more money. If you just want simple and don't mind losing media and adding it back later in case of a failure a singe 8tb shucked easy store is about as simple as it gets and there and plenty of guides to set up automation via couchpotato, sickrage, etc.

Agreed, 1/4 of the way through the season and its not getting any better really. I'll keep watching and who knows maybe it will turn around but I don't think its likely.

If you have never seen Babylon 5 you really owe it to yourself to watch it. Just make sure you watch the JMS viewing order. Fantastic series. I also recommend Space Above and Beyond. Its a shame it only got one season.


Completely different things and in no way a fair comparison. TNG you could at least tell it was trek and had potential a few eps in. STD is just a modern grim dark sci-fi that is only trek by name and for marketing purposes


Agreed and they made a point about how it was only T'Kuvma's sect that was going to be like that. I don't see how this can possibly be reconciled with current cannon.

From >>60936

>T'Kuvma's Klingons with their heavily decorated costumes and their cathedral-like starship, are some kind of forgotten sect, rather than "regular" Klingons. Whether the idea of "clerical" Klingons in a flying graveyard (the coffins of revered warriors affixed to the hull as easy targets?!) makes any sense is something up to Discovery to prove. In any case it doesn't make sense that Ted Sullivan refers to hairless Klingons as an exception, although Kol, member of the House of Kor, doesn't have hair either and overall looks like T'Kuvma, just with gray skin. My apprehension is that all Klingon houses in the series will look like this species

Looks like they were right on the money. The "forgotten sect" looks just like the rest of them.


Just remembered this post. Absolutely no trace of a southern accent of any kind.
Guinan - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 08:32:00 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>b-b-but muh crappy first seasons

I'm so tired of this meme. This isn't JUST a crappy first season. This is STD consistently being a generic sci-fi show instead of Trek. Even in the shittiest episodes of the other shows, you can tell they're trying to make Trek. With STD, you can tell they're trying to NOT make Trek.

And that's why this isn't miraculously going to become better. Sure, maybe it will become better as a show. Maybe the writing will become tighter, they'll shift focus to other characters, and stop doing completely retarded shit like the breath-lock (which is still the most retarded thing I've ever seen in anything called Star Trek). And I fully expect the shills to proclaim themselves right because of that increase in quality which is inevitable unless the production staff consists of monkeys. But it still won't have that core that defines Star Trek, unless they throw out literally everything they've shown so far.

And that's the issue here. I think people are willfully putting on a sort of... reverse nostalgia goggles, constantly claiming things were worse than they actually were. Encounter of Farpoint blows any episode of STD out of the water. For that matter, so do Code of Honor and The Naked Now. I always thought it was a little bit of a fanwank meme to hate on early episodes, but frankly it makes even less sense to promote STD with it. Early Trek is "bad", by and large because people are trying to make something, and failing at it in some way. STD is bad because the people making it are *succeeding* in making what they want to make.

I remember a friend showing an old clip from TOS for laughs. It's the fight from Arena, with the Gorn. He's pointing at the awful 60's effects, the styrofoam rocks, and how slow the guy in the Gorn suit is, and how he can't see anything. I realized that's what makes the difference between appreciating something, and just watching it. STD is for people who watch Arena, and point and laugh at it.
Khan Noonien Singh - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:01:21 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.61597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This isn't a problem yet but I just noticed that 7 out of 10 bridge crew members were women.

Two more seasons of this and I may concede that the paranoid anti-PC social justice paranoia freaks had one point.

Wait, albinism klingon ATE captain Georgieu?
Jesus christ who are these klingons? I can't get over how weird their double-nostril aesthetic is.

did you say microscopic? All of this Tardigrade meme, thanks Cosmos!
But for real, I've seen tardigrades we'd take school trips out to a pond. Mature tardigrades grow to half a millimeter in length and if you're 3 feet tall and kneeling you can see them everywhere.
Juan Cena - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:55:23 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61598 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What makes Star Trek..Star Trek? Should will just have the same premise every series?

I don't think Discovery is terrible. Of course, it can be better. I pointed out the first seasons of the other Treks because people are taking the bashing too far at times. Some of the criticism is valid but others are flatly wrong.

The meme is a reminder that Star Trek isn't perfect. You are just trolling with your Code of Honor/The Naked Now comment.
Guinan - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:32:38 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why do I have to explain to a Star Trek fan on a Star Trek board why Star Trek is special? You are saying our criticism is too harsh, so the burden of proof lies with you. I have said what I think of STD already, and why I think it's not Trek. You are waving it all away, so why don't you tell me why you think it's a good Star Trek show?

But that's my exact problem with the STD fanbase. You never explain. You just state your opinions, and then shout down people who don't share them with chestnuts like these:

>You are just trolling with your Code of Honor/The Naked Now comment.

No, mate, I genuinely believe this. And I think it's ironic for someone complaining about people "taking the bashing too far" to constantly bash TNG to make STD look better. And that's not even the definition of the word "trolling", either. So stop being asspained about people not like your grimdark pew-pew show in space, and instead explain why we you think it will become better, instead of insisting it will with no explanation. Because honestly, if CBS didn't hold the rights to the Trek name, I doubt we'd even be discussing it on this board.
Lonzo - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:35:28 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.61600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>What makes Star Trek..Star Trek?

Well, for me at least and you may agree or disagree with this Trek episodes very often feel as though their isn't any significant resolution to the plot, it leaves it very open ended and free to interpretation. And the end of each episode, you don't say "Well that's that then I guess", it makes you think about the other ways it could have played out, other things that could have been considered. It doesn't spoon-feed you a resolution much like STD is doing at the moment. Now it could be said that this is the way the show is panning out at the moment because of the Kingon War-arc, but does it feel that way when compared to similar arcs in other series such as the Bajoran War-arc of DS9 and the Xindi War-arc of ENT? I'm not sure it does.

The Orville on the other hand feels very Trek in the open-endedness of the episodes.
Lonzo - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:37:58 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.61601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, I feel the nuKingons are more accurately represented in our own time by warrior-religions (Islam springs to mind...), and not at all by Drumpf supporters.
Elim Garak - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:43:19 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.61603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Or have to oestensibly make it about Trump supporters.

Actually doing a vague stand in is pretty Trek and I have to be honest I felt it was more Islam than Trump but there was a bit of both there. Which in fairness make sense because far right xenophobes gonna far right.
Talok - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 15:16:29 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meh...a cult is a cult is a cult. The Alt-Right is just White Islam in the US.
Juan Cena - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:19:29 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61605 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I pointed out specific episodes that are widely panned as bad. The director for Code of Honor was fired before production was finished. Actors in TNG even criticize that episode. Writers for TNG think it is a bad episode. I don't like it because of the stereotypes it uses for the "aliens".

I didn't constantly bash TNG. I pointed to specific episodes in the first season of TNG that are bad. My belief is that people shouldn't give up because Star Trek first seasons aren't good/great. Star Trek has been wait and see when it comes to quality programming. I pointed to examples in other Trek series.

I think Discovery is an okay/watchable trek series. I can accept modifications to the timeline because things are added to the prime timeline. For example, the Klingon appearance in TOS and the other series (TNG, DS9, VOY). Other Star Trek series has shown humanity isn't perfect. Remember the Siege of AR-558? Perfect example. So, yes, I can tolerate being dark because Star Trek has gone dark before. Acting is spotty at times and I'm hoping it improves.
Juan Cena - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:33:36 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61606 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yea, I agree. I think the time period is causing it because we know TOS will happen in ten years. So, you can't have that openness. So, they got finish this arc in a certain way. And, I think this arc is about the rehabilitation of Michael/humanity.
Chell - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:57:38 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>talking shit bout the first seasons of all trek shows
>STD is okay/watchable
CBS pls go
DaiMon Solok - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:28:51 EST ID:WM/4Z83h No.61608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>All the characters seem to be driven by their flaws, they have no visible positive characteristics yet, the mood is dark and gloomy.

Brother you nailed it. Star Trek: Breaking Bad with Lorca as Mr White and we're starting in the last season. The only characters not bitching at others are autism girl and Commander Fearpants. It made me think of one of the producers of the TMP special edition commenting that one of the things Robert Wise was set on FIXING in that movie was removing all instances "of Kirk bitching at people." I'm going to assume that everybody in the Discovery's command staff got through the Academy. Why are they acting like this? They should have been filtered out long ago. The ship is an warehouse of assholes.

I just finished ep4 and... yuck. I think that was the worst dialogue yet. All that awkward quipping. Watching Lorca walk across the bridge in that uniform made me cringe. He looked like a cheerleader bitching out his team for blowing a routine. And that final battle - they drop in and nuke two ships in seconds and then deliberately sit and eat near-fatal damage, probably killing their own crew judging by the explosions on the hull, just so they can flaunt their spore-drive dick. Am I watching Star Trek or a Saturday morning cartoon?

It turns that the tardibeast just needed a hug. And the security chief is an enormous retard who picks up a rifle, which she knows is ineffective, and announces she's going to hack a limb off the monster without checking first that it's been knocked out. What's her degree in? Dentistry?

Now we know why the bridge is detached. So it can spin. Spinning, that's a good trick.

And dat bridge display in the pic. I guess that's supposed to be a big, fat aiming reticle but it just sits there and blocks the view. Do they have to turn the ship to aim the weapons? Are all of the weapons married to that one gunsight? Good thing it says Tactical Combat across the top in big letters. We wouldn't someone to walk in, see the flashing red lights and hear the klaxon and mistakenly think we are in Random Combat. Or even worse, Indifferent Combat.

As bad as a past Treks have been, they weren't this bad. Watching this show is like watching a homeless guy kick a puppy.
Juan Cena - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:04:23 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61609 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Did I say Discovery is good? No, I said it is okay aka there is room for improvement.
I'm not going to give up on it. If I do, I would of gave up on TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT.
Captain Kurn - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:44:07 EST ID:NuJisFNU No.61610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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<-On the subject of episode 4 lol someonethoughtthisnothingburgerepisodewastheturningpoint

This show really needs to stop spending all of the character development on the villains and the tardigrade. I need to give a shit about one of these people eventually, or it won't matter how many of them you randomly kill. I won't give a shit.

Throw us a fucking bone.

Given that the Mary Sue trope is literally out of Star Trek fanfiction, you'd think the torchbearers of Star Trek's good namesake would avoid writing that exact character. Well 4 episodes in it's starting to look like they definitely have.

Discovery is stringing us along without delivering. Just like Lost. Just like Sherlock. I will not be as patient as I was with Sherlock. That burn fucking hurt and at the end of it I no longer respect Steven Moffat. WHY SHOULD THE AUDIENCE BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT ANYTHING ABOUT THE MYSTERY? SHUT UP AND ENJOY THE INTRICATE, IMPENETRABLE JOURNEY PLBS
Ensign Vorik - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:48:06 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.61611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My own issue with the "b-but the first seasons are always shit" thing is as follows:

  1. Anyone who has seen Chaos On the Bridge understands that there is a legitimate behind the scenes reason why the first 2 seasons are fucking garbage.

2. This is 30 YEARS later guys. DC Fontana, Rick Berman, all the others from the TNG/DS9/VOY era ARE. NOT. INVOLVED. here.

This shielding of THIS series by precedents that AREN'T applicable anymore is just irritating. It's not valid, I'm sorry guys. Gene is dead. Rick Berman is gone. NONE of the original series writers from ANY of the other series are involved. Fuller was pushed out.

This series is own it's own. And for that reason it's missing, to my mind, the following key components of Star Trek: Ethics, Morals, Politics, etc.

This series has 0 cerebral offerings to anyone, like myself, who finds some of the best episodes of Start Trek ever to be things like, Ethics, Measure of a Man, In the Pale Moonlight, ETC.

This series, thus far, has offered up no signs of life in those areas.
Kolo - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 19:35:15 EST ID:SIbcZBdI No.61612 Ignore Report Quick Reply

sounds like someone was too stupid to follow and appreciate lost. dont denigrate its name by comparing it to an STD
Mila - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 20:51:16 EST ID:WoS811Ds No.61613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>too stupid to follow and appreciate lost
So were the writers.
Guinan - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 21:00:38 EST ID:fQoAcSu4 No.61614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wait, did any of these other series piss away EIGHT MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS PER EPISODE

that's right I just took a shit all over your weak ass arguement.

TNG season 1 didn't even cost 8 million all together, so stop your pathetic whimpering, STD sucks and you know it.
Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 21:27:47 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
shills everywhere
Tokath - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 22:10:55 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can't use reason to talk someone out of a position they didn't use reason to arrive at.
Montgomery Scott - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 23:03:44 EST ID:qsSrsDac No.61627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TNG season 1 didn't even cost 8 million all together

My jolly Vulcan-American friend, TNG cost $1.3 million per ep in the first season. I think that adds up to more than $8 million for 24 episodes.
Q - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 23:53:19 EST ID:LJoPxYj1 No.61630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the set visit also revealed that Lora's office is home to a battle map showing active conflicts between the two groups, it sounds like things escalate pretty quickly. And, when I add those two things with Lorca's "work" in his "menagerie" and his "disturbing" secrets, I come up with a whole lot of experimenting on prisoners.

Please, just let this be the Mirror Universe so that I can sleep at night.
Liquidator Brunt - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 01:51:24 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is that the fucking guy from RLM?
Guinan - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 03:37:14 EST ID:X3H1Dm4S No.61636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't look anything up, I was hoping I'd bait someone into doing my work for me, and you have indeed.

Basically, Discovery has nearly cost as much for the 4 episodes we have seen as TNG cost for it's ENTIRE 24 episode season

Following this calculation through with inflationary adjustment, you will see that we will get about half the episodes for about 160% of the cost. Per episode, adjusted for inflation, Discovery is THREE TIMES as expensive as TNG..

So thank you for proving my point in a roundabout way
Guinan - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 03:37:14 EST ID:X3H1Dm4S No.61637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't look anything up, I was hoping I'd bait someone into doing my work for me, and you have indeed.

Basically, Discovery has nearly cost as much for the 4 episodes we have seen as TNG cost for it's ENTIRE 24 episode season

Following this calculation through with inflationary adjustment, you will see that we will get about half the episodes for about 160% of the cost. Per episode, adjusted for inflation, Discovery is THREE TIMES as expensive as TNG..

So thank you for proving my point in a roundabout way
Subcommander T'Rul - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:51:20 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You still haven't told me why it's good Trek. The vast majority of the pro-STD posts I see are of the "negative argument" sort. That's what you're doing right now, stating that some parts of old Trek are bad, and therefore STD should receive leeway. And you don't even delve into why these episodes are bad. You just regurgitate decades-old fanwank. Yes, I KNOW that people have been saying they're bad episodes for years. I am aware of that fact. You don't need to repeat it for me. My point is that you don't EXPLAIN why they are bad. Which means you're not making an argument. And that's bad, because as I have already said, bad TNG episodes are bad in a way that's completely different from STD, for completely different reasons.

My entire point is that it's a shitty argument. From multiple angles. After all, if early Trek was rightfully called crap, and later Trek wasn't, then what the fuck do you have to worry about? Then, inevitably, the quality you are so assured will follow will also be acknowledged, just as it was with TNG. I'm not here to talk about Code of Honor and why you think it's bad. I'm here to talk about STD, and why I think it's bad, and why you think it's good.

But you and other fans never go there. I literally asked you to explain why you think it's good, and why you think it will become better. And you haven't. You're just making extremely superficial comparisons, and asking me to handwave STD because of them, without actually talking about STD in the process.

Exactly. STD is a clean break from old Trek in most ways that matter, and it's a completely different TV show. I see it as an The Expanse ripoff with Starfleet dubbed in for the name of whatever space-UN they'd use otherwise. And the best argument anyone can come up with to watch it is that it's called "Star Trek", and you're a negative nancy if you don't gobble it up with zero criticism.

And I probably don't need to point out which other sci-fi show about people on a starship DOES have a lot of ex-Trek people working on it...
Sarina Douglas - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 11:31:25 EST ID:iJ3Rsdu6 No.61641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Spock - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:26:26 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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After episode 4:
>'Ripper' omfg are you kidding me was this written by children?
>open the door and fight the thing I know killed a mess of Klingons
>there is no way that telescope could have done that, sorry, no.
>Klingons sure are shitty people I guess
>where the fuck is the war? 3 little BoPs on one outpost? What war? Where?
>Game of Klingots is fucking stupid.
>the full time klingon language is fucking stupid.
>why does the ship spin? you can convince me the saucer needs to, but why the flip?
>le space mushroom critter
Sarek - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 13:19:24 EST ID:jIY7f9Al No.61644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The dumb redshirt named it
> I see it as an The Expanse ripoff
This is highly unfair. The Expanse had four episodes worth of character development in its first four episodes if not more.
Discovery has 1 episode worth of character development in 4 episodes. It thinks it's so plot-driven that it doesn't have to do all of the important shit that makes everyone care about teh plot.
Prophet - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:45:29 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.61648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It says a lot about the direction of this first season that the only people I actually had some care about dying in the first 4 episodes were the innocent people of the mining colony.

They haven't earned the payoff that comes with killing off characters. I don't know enough about them to be able to care yet. The only person that I would care if they killed off at this point would be Cadet Tilly

She gets my tachyon pulse racing ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Subcommander T'Rul - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:55:41 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It shares a lot of style elements with The Expanse. Both are very dark, both in terms of visual style as well as subject matter. The spores are very reminiscent of The Expanse as well, as are the hard-edged characters. It's just that STD doesn't do it very well, in my opinion.
Guinan - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:21:14 EST ID:X3H1Dm4S No.61651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Retarded is not the same as lazy
Benjamin Sisko - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:49:12 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>why does the ship spin? you can convince me the saucer needs to, but why the flip?

Well, at least they finally have a reason for the gap in the saucer section. The counter rotating deck plates are obviously part of the Shroom Drive. They mention that the whole ship is designed around it. No idea what the flip is about. I think it is just some way they came up with to differentiate the different types of drives and warp stuff. [/b]

Anyone else amused that the robot arms [%]grab the Monstardigrade's nipples when they use the Shroom Drive? S&M Drive more like it....
Juan Cena - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:45:58 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61656 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The Klingon-Starfleet War is attempting to look at least of one of our current societal issues. It is heavy handed with the "Remain Klingon" and whatnot; however, it is attempt. By the way, I didn't say it is "good" trek. I don't like the heavy-handedness.

I am hoping it will become better because of verifiable trends in Star Trek. Yes, hope..how very Star Trek-ish of me..
Gul Macet - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:46:12 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ripper does sounds stupid.
And then all the other ridiculous stuff around the tardigrade and everything in general just compounds it.

Also, you won't do well to tell Star Trek fans to relax.

And no, it's not the best since DS9 ended.

Every complaint you could make about ENT seems extremely minor when compared to this show.
Gaila - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:53:16 EST ID:9W2VFsIF No.61659 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Tribble is a stupid name. There, I said it.
Gul Macet - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:33:07 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hope you're just being obtuse and don't undertstand what campy is
Gul Macet - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 01:30:12 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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and do understand**

Guinan - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:02:12 EST ID:GwChYndC No.61663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Voyager and Enterprise both had their flaws but I couldn't classify either of them as worse than Discovery. I haven't completely given up on it yet but it's looking increasingly unlikely I'll make it to the end of the season. Even though I'm pirating it. For free. That's pretty sad.

Unfortunately, it all boils down to the fact that the main character is kind of an unlikable bitch crybaby. The more we explore her character, the less I like her, and they seem overly focused on her instead of other characters.
Gul Macet - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:18:58 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>unlikable bitch crybaby
That fuckin RBF tho...

I will definitely watch it to the end no matter what, but I was really disappointed in episode 4.
Episode 3 felt like a turning point. At the end of that I was like "I can live with this. That was way better than the pilot." But then episode 4 just had so much stupid shit. Like why the fuck did they let the tardigrade out? That was one of the dumbest, most needless deaths I've seen in all of Star Trek. Some people didn't like security lady but I did. And it just felt way too Game of Thrones-y, but not well executed at all. It's like they were using that to show that they won't hesitate to kill crew members. But they could have made that point so much better than they did in possibly the most retarded scene of the series so far.
And when Burnham fed the tardigrade and just sat there with the containment field down. Like, she put it in there already, and that thing just murdered a crew member right in front of her, just close the damn thing. I hope this deathwish thing she has going on doesn't keep up because it pisses me off every time she acts like she wants to die. It's too fuckin edgy. It doesn't come off as confidence even though that's what it may be, it comes off as stupidity.
Malik - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:50:49 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I hope this deathwish thing she has going on doesn't keep up because it pisses me off every time she acts like she wants to die. It's too fuckin edgy. It doesn't come off as confidence even though that's what it may be, it comes off as stupidity.

This. Even Lethal Weapon 1 era Riggs wouldn't do something that stupid and he actually had a death wish and a somewhat reasonable reason to have one.

I don't understand why this dumb as fuck show is revolving around her. They could easily do her redemption arc without her being the star of the show as they have done with other characters in the past. Its always been the captain and their crew. You get a general episode, an engineering episode, a doctor episode, etc All the characters are important and have their backgrounds, stories, and developments. There isn't anything particularly interesting or special about her.
DaiMon Bractor - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 05:49:17 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Verifiable trends exist for a reason. The trends you are talking about exist in the TNG to ENT run, and in my opinion their existence is overblown anyway because of decades of fans fluffing each other. This is a new product more than ten years after the end of ENT, with none of the same people working on the project. Thematically, stylistically, and in every other way, this does not conform to the Trek of old. So I consider it highly illogical to expect that it WILL conform in this extremely specific way, other than that the show will likely improve because the crew working on it will gain experience. When the other Trek shows became better, it wasb ecause they were still trying to do what they were originally trying to do, but actually succeeding in doing it properly. For STD, it would mean doing something completely different, and also nailing it.

The Klingons are a good example of how I think STD misses the point. Sure, we were *told* that they're supposed to be Trump supporters, but I'm not seeing it. Yeah, they have that heavyhanded catchphrase, but other than that they're just scary bad guys.

Hope ain't got nothing to do with it.
Vice Admiral Leyton - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:38:23 EST ID:WR91h6t+ No.61667 Ignore Report Quick Reply
they threw the fit about saying they're trump supporters so dummies wouldn't notice that they're islams
DaiMon Bractor - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:33:51 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Klingons were already muslims. Not intentionally, but they share many characteristics.

-They're an honour-based culture
-It's external honour based on family relations and adherence to protocol
-They worship a warrior prophet who lived 1400 years ago
-They ascribe magical powers to said prophet
-They consider him to be the perfect being and try to emulate his lifestyle
-This prophet used a special double-bladed sword
-They have a culture of war where self-sacrifice is considered a holy act

Worf himself shared many characteristics with second generation immigrants, too. I mean, he *is* one, for all intents and purposes. And he has that typical reaction of striving for a perfect lifestyle according to his native logic, making him more extreme in that regard than the first generation or people living in the original society.

But that's all the result of the decision to make something with X characteristics, which happens to resonate with real life groups, because in the end it's still all about humanity. That's my problem with claims made by the production team outside of the show itself that, for instance, the Klingons are supposed to be Trump supporters. That's lazy social commentary. In science fiction, one-on-one translations are always lazy. When they have to trumpet that fact ahead of time, and it's not even obvious in the material itself... that's *very* lazy. Or a conflict of interest. Either way, it's not good.
Spot - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:12 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.61670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We simply don't explore her character. Somebody/nobody asks about her and another person tells about her.

This is why everyone calls her a Mary Sue. She gets nothing but praise when she isn't being condemned.

They should not have lead with the two parter. It was a huge mistake. A month in and we have no idea who this bitch is. Just what she did, which would have been better off left open to interpretation until later.
Spot - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:16:28 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.61671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>for instance, the Klingons are supposed to be Trump supporters

No they aren't. Everyone is saying Trump supporters are like Disco Klingons. And this right here is why it was unhelpful to say that ahead of the broadcasts.
Benjamin Sisko - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:06:59 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61677 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Klingons are just generic extremists.

In a way they are Trump supporters, and ISIS, and AntiFa, and fucking Burmese Buddhists....anyone who takes things too far in the name of their cause is a Klingon. Even then, I think there is more nuance. The Klingons are pretty baroque in STD. I think this is to represent a state of fallen decadence. Think of the energy they must expend for all that frippery on their outfits and the cathedral like interiors of their ships. Decadent for a warrior race. And look, historically, at what demagogues do. They claim the current regime is decadent and has lost their way...the one true way. I think the head of each house is supposed to be a "Little Nero." Emperors who fiddle while everything crumbles around them. Now, they have a martyr and messiah and a mission. I think Whitey McKlingon will get thrown into the standard 30 days in the desert trope and have to do the heroes journey through hell to come out stronger on the other side. Seems to be the case. I mean what are they gonna do with Whitey? Have him and his chicky starve to death slowly on the ShenZhou? He is gonna be around for a long time....

Anywho - tl;dr - Klingons are just extremists in a generic sense. Nobody in particular is being singled out. This is just the result of writing in an age where extremism seems more and more common.
Spot - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:16:57 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.61678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The thing is T'Kuvma isn't an effective martyr. Nobody gives a shit about him but his own crew.
They're just pumped they get to fight the federation now instead of quibbling between the sunni's kurds and shiites unaffiliated feudal houses.
Benjamin Sisko - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:25:31 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Any martyr is only as effective as his followers are. Since, you know, they are out of the picture.

Which is why they are doing the whole Whitey getting marooned bit. He and his fuck t'arg there are the True Believers. He will go through a bunch of shit and then come out to resume control of the House of T'Kuvma and unify the Klingons under the banner of K'aless or whatever. Maybe he will hatch some dragons while trying to self immolate...same narrative.

Besides, if T'Kuvma isn't a martyr, then Burnham's role in all of this is reduced. Remember, she was the one who went from stun to kill and blasted him. Despite the whole, "Don't martyr the guy with the zealous followers who have a ship covered in their own dead," warning.
Gul Macet - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:53:01 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It looks like they've cut off the social media shill fund.
Gor - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:22:09 EST ID:Hy3Z9AIm No.61689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cool. Looks like I can shitpost their circlejerk with the full assurance of my own controversy now.
Karyn Archer - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 23:29:08 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not sure about circlejerk but on Facebook it's pretty obvious all the like bots are gone.
Ambassador Thoris - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:10:47 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol for all the money they wasted on this shitheap you'd think they'd budget an extra hundred bucks to hire some indians to keep at it while it was still going
Travis Mayweather - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:21:11 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can I just vent one more gripe about the general STD discussion? Yes? Here goes: A lot of the people praising STD are ascribing qualities to it that aren't there. Things like character motivations, for instance. They say Mike is a passionate explorer, because she walks in the Klingon beacon. A scene that, to me, looked stupid as hell, because it's someone deviating from mission protocol and risking her life... for no reason stated. Sure, you could possibly infer that it's because of a drive to explore. But you also can not. That makes it just head-canon. My head-canon is that she did it because she's stupid.

But I also have head canon that the Viidians are multiple species, because that explains why they're cast across a vast gulf of space and so powerful. And I have head canon that many of the characters in Vikings are the Norse gods who made some drunken bet about who of them would succeed the best as a lowly mortal. It all makes sense, but it's supported by nothing in the shows themselves.

And I just find it kind of weird to be told to appreciate a show for things it isn't doing. For things people make up on the side for themselves, so they can pretend it's palatable television.

I seem to recall one of the staff literally saying that, but maybe I'm wrong.
Captain Goroth - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:06:38 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.61698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>They say Mike is a passionate explorer, because she walks in the Klingon beacon. A scene that, to me, looked stupid as hell, because it's someone deviating from mission protocol and risking her life... for no reason stated.

It's hand-weaving to further the plot.

And it's the same way of stupid as Janeway destroying the the caretaker array before trying to understand it's tech. (It's even dumber imho)

  • The Enterprise D crew continues with whatever they were upto after encountering Q instead of consulting starfleet command.
  • The decision to move DS9 to the wormhole entrance only makes sense in hindsight.
  • It makes no sense from the standpoint of the Talosians to stop their practice of luring starships to their planet after they failed with Pike.
  • During the visit to Rigel X it made no sense to not leave Sarin and the rest of the cabal dissidents behind like that.
Lysia Arlin - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:48:09 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair, when you only have 42 minutes, nuance gets thrown out the window.

This BTW is why I expect more of STD. They are going for some long story arcs here. They have some time. They need to step up their storytelling game if they are gonna take the long way home.
Belongo - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 18:06:37 EST ID:EEwr1Hxe No.61731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The writing services the character, rather than the character serving the writing.

Yeah this has been a big deal in the first 4 episodes. Burnham's character is developed almost exclusively in service of the plot instead of for its own sake.
It's actually much weaker in character development than the episodic Trek series'

At least Janeway gave Kate Mulgrew the latitude to be a badass in the performance. Martin-Green does not have these opportunities. She doesn't read a log, she doesn't get to have a chat with anyone that isn't directly serving the episode or overarching plot.

For all serialized shows attempting to ape the popularity of Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones: THE PLOT IS NOT WHAT MADE AUDIENCES LIKE THESE SHOWS. Breaking Bad balances characters and plot but GoT's plot early on was very much on the back burner.
GoT was all about characters and world-building. That's what sucked everyone in.

If HBO had gone all-out doing battles and plot in the first season of GoT it would have cost them much more and been less successful, possibly killing the series and damaging HBO financially. Why did Discovery open with a big-ass battle? Honestly the backstory behind how the war started and the mutiny would have been much better left for the season gap or post-season. The way they did it traded all of the mystery and anticipation for up-front spectacle.

At this point in the series, every character who has been reasonably well developed is either dead or Klingon. This show needs to find the balance quick.
Belongo - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 18:10:18 EST ID:EEwr1Hxe No.61732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997lGD65WNc

One of the finest scenes in Game of Thrones. Not relevant to the plot, not relevant to the character's motivations within the plot. Just giving the actors a chance to perform and make the characters feel something.

TNG had loads of these sorts of scenes. Discovery has had one, and it was full of fucked up dark blue streaks for no reason. AND IT WAS DEVELOPING FUCKING TILLY. Jesus christ.
Karyn Archer - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:06:46 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching this, you can't help but see the immense differences and reasons for success. How can CBS be so ignorant? Like, obviously they don't know much about making good tv, but if they're gonna spend ass loads of money why not just hire some people that know their shit? It's just mind boggling how shitty this tv channel is at making tv. How are they still around?
Game of Thrones was filled with immense talent even though most of the actors weren't super well known. The casting for that show is 10/10. I'm not sure if they could have casted worse for Discovery. It's just all around terribly planned and not executed very well, save for Lorca and Saru imo. They're doing well for what they're given.
I think that if they clean house of writers and get some fresh directors that have had a lot of success in tv they could get this show going somewhere, if they had the chance, but there are just so many hurdles that corporate meddling and incompetence have left in the way of success.
Travis Mayweather - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:46:41 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well said. The need to court some new fucking ideas and new writers. They need to think about what works with other shows. I feel like these are people who don't own TVs, but still somehow write for the medium. At times they seem oblivious to even obvious trends in their own industry. "Oh, look....HBO took home all the fancy golden statues we use to prop up our massive egos. Obviously a totally random event with no bearing on my job as the fucking head of programming here at CBS. La la la...let me resume shoving my own head up my ass."
Valkris - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 05:35:30 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It goes to show that a good TV series is more than the sum of its parts. For instance, everyone loves Tyrion Lannister. Dinklage has been getting a lot of praise for the role, and he certainly plays it well, but... he was also well cast. He was also in Threshold (the series, not the episode) together with Brent Spiner. And he plays exactly the same character: A self-loathing man of science with a penchant for debauchery. It's basically just Tyrion with worse directing and writing.

So the writers on GoT know how to write for the character, the directors know how to get the best out of Dinklage's performance, Dinklage gives the performance, and someone in casting knew he was going to be the perfect fit for the role. And they did that over and over again, knocking it straight out of the park more than once. Nobody needs to tell you that the role of Joffrey was cast brilliantly. GoT has people that looked at this young, blond actor and said "we can make the world loathe him".

In comparison the casting on STD seems to be more on the level of soap opera's. For instance, when I look at Tilly I see someone who looks kind of stereotypical for the role of "awkward girl".
Karyn Archer - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:38:48 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The guy that did the math on the voyager planet did a video on the spore drive.

And he did a video on the cutouts on the Discovery.

These are both kinda outdated but might be good to keep up with him since he's been doing videos on all the stuff we discuss and has been pretty accurate.
Karyn Archer - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:56:32 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
trigger warning tho. he obviously likes Discovery. But I highly doubt he's a paid shill because he doesn't get that many views.
Koss - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:23:32 EST ID:iows5Uco No.61759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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He's so fucking bubbly and cloying.

>I love the design of the new Klingons
But what about the ships?
>*Makes no mention of the ships*

Strategic silence to be sure.
Shakaar Edon - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:49:31 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah that video about the klingons that he did is a bunch of bullshit.
He essentially said that before Discovery, Klingons were 1 dimensional and that now Klingons have personality. I'm not sure what he's smoking
Koss - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:58:21 EST ID:iows5Uco No.61762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Klingons have had the best character development, as dumb as that is.
Malik - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:24:49 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well this weeks episode was still meh but its the first one I don't think outright hated. It was pretty much all character development which was nice, and I had some problems with what happened at some points, but it was alright.
I liked what happened with using a human as the spore navigator. That last scene with the reflection, some weird alternate reality shit or is it just time fuckery, actually interested about that.

I was legit angry though when Tilly Burnham and the Spore Dr. REITERATING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE SPORE DRIVE AND ADD NO NEW INFO FOR NO FUCKING REASON like goddamn that so fucking hamfisted, some exec was probably like "I can't keep track of all this spore drive nonsense, make doubly sure the audience knows EXACTLY what is going on in case they were taking a piss during the explanations the last few episodes."
Mezoti - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:09:19 EST ID:iows5Uco No.61766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OMFG finally. We're talking. We're developing characters and relationships. and Discovery isn't allowed to go galavanting off to solve everyone of starfleet's problems

5th goddamn episode in and Discovery is finally doing what I needed it to do.

Of course, introducing Harry Mudd in the same episode where you finally start developing characters is a fucking cheat. Rainn Wilson shows up, does the voice, and we're already on board with him.

Once again Discovery goes for the villains before heroes. Why? for the love of god why?
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Mezoti - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:54:04 EST ID:iows5Uco No.61768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This episode was so fucking good. Jesus christ.
Tekeny Ghemor - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:52:33 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Let me know if I was just being overly negative because the episode overall wasn't bad but all this stuff bugged me.

  1. Why was Lorca on the shuttle alone? Why didn't he just talk to the admiral through holograms like they did previously
  2. The chick who plays Burnham thinks she can just cock her head and give a dead eyed stare and that's acting.
  3. The quick switches between dark tone and light tone/humor is jarring and feels weird.
  4. Why would Saru jump into Klingon space disregarding the crew saying that the tardigrade may not be able to get them back. This made it seem like the threat ganglium was only there as a plot device for Burnham.
  5. The scene with Lorca driving the Klingon Raider seemed silly af and like some weird B sci fi movie but definitely not trek
  6. Was it really necessary to say fuck twice. It seemed like they just threw that in there so they could say "we said fuck"

Compared to the way that the show started, all of these things are very minor and the fact that we got actual character development makes me want to overlook all of these things. And I guess I'll have to learn to live with the spore drive stuff.
Lorca's development was on point imo, but it does seem really silly that he doesn't just get his eyes fixed. It still feels bastardized and weird, but if they can get the show on track and stop focusing solely on Burnham this show can go somewhere. There is some potential and it's in the episodic format that is tried and true. This episode was a standalone and it is probably the best so far.
Also I noticed that the mouth part of Saru's face prosthesis looks uncomfortable as fuck. They try to avoid showing his mouth a lot or up close when he is talking but during one scene you get a clear view and you can tell that it's so rigid around the corners of his mouth that it looks like it's trying to tear his mouth apart.
Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:41:14 EST ID:nn8/ymuj No.61777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They actually did add new info about the spore drive, a tiny detail which makes me go from outrightly hating the concept to begrudgingly accepting it. The idea that real honest to god fungal spores could colonize the galaxy? Fucking retarded. The idea that some sort of exotic matter lifeform that merely mimics spores and is in a symbiotic relationship with a fungus colonized what is effectively another subspace layer of our galaxy? Sure, why not, I'll buy it. So that was pretty cool.

'Fucking cool' was dumb. Are we 9 year olds who need to get jazzed up because we're allowed to say naughty words? If you're going to make this your fuck trek, at least use your first fuck for something cool -- like our first Trek 'shit' was used as a key point of personal development for a beloved character. Our first fuck was because someone had a sperg attack looking at some technical diagrams.

Stammetz is finally a real character to me rather than a mouthpiece of faggy snarkitude, although I could've gone without the whole toothbrush-blowjob scene. If you're going to make them partners, then actually have the balls to make them as intimate as we've seen straight people be on Trek, or just don't do it (also, who the fuck is the actual CMO and why are they apparently on the ship but this other jackoff is doing all the medical stuff? Reeks of S1 TNG chief engineer situation.)

Rainn Wilson's Mudd had me genuinely hyped for the episode, and was the biggest let down. He makes a vaguely Mudd like voice only when he introduces himself and promises revenge, the rest of the time he is completely hamming it up and killing the scene while doing a lackluster Dwight Schrute. Shame, shame, shame.

There was another dude in the shuttle with Lorca, he got bat'lethed right away. A better question is why the Discovery wasn't just docked at the starbase. And yes Martin's acting is shit and both her performance and the Mary Sueitude of her character are now my main gripes with the show.

Begrudgingly, I finally accept this to be a Star Trek show, although not a good one. If they let go of the focus on Burnham and let it be an ensemble show like it's designed to be, and smooth off the edges on the dialogue and pacing, it would fit solidly beneath Enterprise and every other Trek production (but hey, still there!)
Neelix - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:12:47 EST ID:wEqJOHht No.61778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>$8.5 million per episode
>can't fix a wig that's falling off
Malik - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:04:16 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.61780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's a dream-sequence wig. Hair and teeth falling out in dreams is an indication of anxiety.

It checks out.
Noah Lessing - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:06:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I know there was an other person with him. I meant alone as in unguarded because 1 person isn't gonna do shit. And no a better question would be why would they even be meeting face to face in the first place. They're in the middle of a war and their little meeting could have been done in a 2 minute holo-call.
KC Hunter - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:15:04 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that would mean the money went into the show and not the producers' pockets
Juan Cena - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:34:55 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61784 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It seems he chose not to have his eyes fixed because he needs a reminder of his previous ship.

On a side note, I think Ash is Voq. The Captain of the D7 is the same one that was with Voq on the Shenzhou. There is precedent for a Klingon becoming human. Arne Darvin is the precedent.
Liquidator Brunt - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:46:52 EST ID:sauaPZCm No.61785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Goddamnit I thought that was Dennas.

Dennas is the one in the holograms, the head of some house. I think you're right.
Ensign McFarlane - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 02:35:37 EST ID:wEqJOHht No.61794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm not sure what you guys are getting all happy about. This ep was more of the same to me. The dialogue is so painful so often.

To add to the nitpicks:
Starfleet says it suspects (but doesn't know) if the Klingons have singled out the Discovery for it's actions.
Discovery jumps deep into Klingon territory and rescues her captain and jumps away in full view of four shuttles and presumably eight eyewitnesses. It's secret tech that is upsetting the balance of the war. Why the fuck would you leave living witnesses behind? They're just shuttles. Fearpants was will to torture the tardibeast to death to get there but leaves the four shuttles untouched which will weaken Starfleet's advantage? How does this make sense?
Roger Lemli - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:56:20 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah idk either. I thought this episode was the same garbage. I gave this show a lot more slack early on than 95% of the people here but now it seems that most people like it more than I do and I really don't understand it. It's just as bad as it was early on but I guess people have just had more time to live with how dumb it is.

I can't stand the gay science officer or the gay doctor. They're both totally shoe horned in.
Green is still just as horrible an actor as ever. I guess that the guy who played Lorca got a ton of screen time and a lot of time away from Green is what made this episode watchable. But just wait because it's gonna get back to super arc heavy dumb shit here in the next episode.
T'Pau - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:00:21 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I stopped watching. No bully.
Malik - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:12:27 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have to echo this sentiment. In general I thought it was better than the other episodes, but it's still the same thing. It's still doing all the same stuff that makes it, to me, un-Trek. It's just that this episode was, finally, actually a competent episode of a TV show. But that just makes me wonder where all the praise people had for the previous episodes came from, because they were truly terrible.

It's true that there was some character development, but is that enough to accept this as Trek? The fact that it's suddenly not sucking as hard as it did before? And I still find everyone's character motivations to be all over the place. Saru was thrown under the bus in order to be a foil to Mike, Stamets suddenly performed a self-sacrificial action that I expected Mike would take because she's been set up as reckless and selfless (poorly, but still), which ALSO makes me suspect this will have negative consequences for him. Tilly is still not actually doing anything, which makes her highly annoying, in my opinion. Her fuck-bomb was so innocent that I absolutely hate the fact that people are swallowing CBS' cock in thinking this is edgy. Fuck off. There's your fuckbomb you fucking fuckstains.

But what really drove it home for me was one thing. I was still kinda stoned, and I couldn't tear my attention away from the screams of people being tortured in the background. They recorded actual dialogue for them, and at one point your hear a woman pleading "No, no, not again" and stuff to that effect. It just completely killed any Trek boner I still had left for this show. It brought me to a nasty place, and that's the last thing Trek should do. I'm consistently finding that this show does cruel things without a point, and anyone who claims "well Trek needed a darker perspective" can climb onto my back. I just checked out of the episode by that point. I was hoping they would help the other prisoners escape, but that didn't happen either. They don't even fucking TALK about them. And you know what? That offends me. I am offended. This episode did not treat the situation it painted with the gravitas it deserved, especially as a show that's constantly seeking this subject matter out. Want to do an episode about inhuman torture in prison camps? Then fucking do it. TNG did it. DS9 did it. Even fucking VOY and ENT did this shit, and did it better. Don't cop out on me and then give me my cute Tilly moment in between. When they did Chain of Command, they didn't cut to Data trying to masturbate, either. This show is so fucking tonedeaf.

I was planning to give this episode some praise, too. But fuck it. Bringing up this last point has kind of soured my mood where STD is concerned. Sorry that this is such a downer comment.

At least robochick moved around a little this time, and her mechanical purs are kinda cute. I still love her design, and I wish they did more with her.
Ensign McFarlane - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:50:56 EST ID:wEqJOHht No.61802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I wouldn't call Green's performance horrific. She's just not doing the job well. There's something about her line delivery that leaves me wanting her to talk as little as possible. She's crisp, efficient and monotone. Windows' Cortana is more pleasant to listen to. It's like she noticed (or was instructed) that Vulcans are stereotypically logical and emotionless and she interpreted that to mean that her diction should be precise and flat. Wooden. If it wasn't for all the crying Burnham comes across as more autistic than Tilly.

I wouldn't mind the science guy if he wasn't such a pointlessly combative cunt. And the doctor? It's like he's in the wrong show. Like he showed up expecting to film a Grammarly commercial and they wouldn't let him leave. I'm not sure what it is about him that puts me off.
I don't care that either of them are gay. I think it's one of the great failings of the franchise that they didn't have gay characters in a main cast sooner than this.
Dr. Mora Pol - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 17:05:32 EST ID:nn8/ymuj No.61803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>> they didn't have gay characters in a main cast sooner than this
SPOILER: Everyone on Trek has always been gay, at least in the minds of a lot of the fandom. By DS9 they were explicitly calling out fanon slash pairings.
Lt. JG Nog - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 17:40:34 EST ID:1FgJtL9e No.61804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>gay people existing is shoehorning

I'm so tired of this shit
Menos - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:10:17 EST ID:/rjS2wnz No.61805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was kinda hoping they were just both gay and bitchy at each other without being a couple.

But apparently that's too progressive for today's times.
Roger Lemli - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:54:50 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dax was a symbol for gay, lesbian and trans.

My gripe with Green is that she has 0 range. She can't emote with her face. And when she tries to emote anger or frustration it comes out looking like she's really straining her brain to try to make a face. She lifts her eyebrows as high as she can and cocks her head and that's her angry face. It's fine if she doesn't have an emotive face, but for fucks sake how did the people at CBS think that would work. They thought that because she had a Vulcan upbringing that it would work, except it doesn't because she's not Vulcan. If she actually was a Vulcan it would work great tbh.
Guinan - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:24:39 EST ID:jkxAJN+Y No.61807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah gay mushroom man got over his gay mushroom counterpart dying pretty quick. One episode later and he's brushing his teeth with a dildo next to another man. Sad.
Ensign McFarlane - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:31:09 EST ID:wEqJOHht No.61808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Dax was a symbol for gay, lesbian and trans.

Point taken. I was imagining something more obvious.

The mirror shot is the only thing in the entire show so far that got my full attention. Spookiness achieved.
Corporal R Ryan - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:46:16 EST ID:2sg7e0ts No.61809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not going to make any pronouncement about whether it's good or bad. I'm just curious how you all think they're going to develop Lorca over time?

This show is from Michael's pov. Do you think they'll string us along for the entire show about whether he's dangerous or not? It would make a lot of sense if they did, and at the end of the arc Michael had to mutiny again, but this time to redeem herself.

Seems like they're going to go one of three directions. I keep wondering if they're going to make him Dirty Harry, Captain Ahab, or Caesar returning from Gaul.
Tekeny Ghemor - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:53:54 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think Caesar returning from Gaul would be awesome.

But I think Captain Ahab is most likely. And Burnham is gonna have to use her super insubordination powers to save the day.
Christine Chapel - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:14:06 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Agreed, Green is a BAD actor. I actively hope for scenes without her presence, but I'm not sure if its her, the director, the execs, the writing, or what that is fucking it up, but her performance is damaging to an already shit show. I would be more than happy if she is just a background character for things that happen around her e.g. the fantastical spore drive spookiness, but fuck is she bad.

What else was she in? A side character in season 7 of The Walking Dead and a REALLY bad lacrosse movie. Who the fuck thought she deserved, or even had the talent for, a lead in a new show. My brain is full of fuck
Jannar - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:29:59 EST ID:PqMLRJs+ No.61812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I really liked her as a supporting actor in walking dead. Ithought her range was great and it's the shit cherry ontop for me that this franchise will destroy start trek and her career.
Worf - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:37:40 EST ID:wEqJOHht No.61813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It won't destroy Star Trek anymore than the prequels destroyed Star Wars. If it fails it will be remembered as Trek's red-headed stepchild. The real harm will be if it's genuinely successful because the shows/films that follow it could be just as broken, just like how Into Derpness doubled down on 2009's chaos.
Data - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:48:39 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Star Trek is eternal
Captain Rudolph Ransom - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:55:48 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You make an interesting point about Michael's POV and Lorca taking over. I mean, she is, as we have seen, no stranger to mutiny. Perhaps she will mutiny again to save the Federation if Lorca takes over? But, how could that happen and it be Trek? Then again, CBS now has Trek saying "Fucking," so whatever! And fuck all y'all Mudd haters. I liked the tie in.
Guinan - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 04:36:54 EST ID:dW5X/+R1 No.61824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean really guys.. I have a legitimate criticism here, clearly I need to be less subtle about it.

What bothers me about Lt Stamets is that from what I saw, it was pretty implied that he and the other chief of mushroom and mushroom shaped objects on the sister ship had some kind of romantic relationship.

They really played up how devastated he was to see this guy torn up into a twisted mess of sci-fi horror, all that's left of him got literally raped by subspace... and then all of sudden, he's just over it? With some new guy? C'mon nigga that's worse than letting Tom Paris just get away with killing that kid on Wesley's piloting team without making him an antihero bad boy for an entire season after laying out such a great backstory, then you only do it for like two episodes, and then another episode that's way later but everyone is pretending to be retarded for some stupid subterfuge...

You could have made the gaiboi an interesting and moving character by focusing on his loss and sadness, hell maybe that's why he put on those tardigrade nipple clamps. Probably not though because all these characters just mostly suck, and they keep putting these FUCKING ROBOTS or ROBOT PEOPLE in the background, like OH THATS FINE

Here's the ensemble cast so far
>rescued prisoner guy (who may or may not be a Klingon / Klingon Agent)
>gay Doctor man

THat's it mang, some of these fools gots to die to make room in the myspace top 8 because you always gotta rep Tom man.. you gotta rep Tom

One or more of the above listed fools will die in this season for sure, they have to prove how like GoT they are.

Hopefully they don't just fuse Saru into the deckplating like that poor bitch from TNG, ganglia can't do shit about that

Honestly, guys, after 5 episodes, Discovery is settling into mediocrity and transwarp salamander sex level retard science while Orville is making episodes that feel increasingly trek like, between the music, the philosophical themes, or even the way they approach humor, however crude. It's like watching a mashup between GrinTrek and ACTUAL Trek, it's really weird, but great.

I can understand why some people don't like Orville, but.. I can't understand how anyone who comes here to this site wouldn't like it. It seems like a pretty good fit for this board.

That being said, I'm glad we have two star treks going right now. One of them kinda sucks though.
Donik - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:51:46 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It was definitely implied.
I think they either A: were expecting the viewers to be dumb and forget about his side hoe or B: are portraying gay guys as stereotypical promiscuous flamers. Possibly both.
As for deck fusion, I think the black chick with the cool hair at the con would make a cool floor decoration. Or the really lame excuse for a doctor.
Doctors have always been cool. Why you gonna make the doctor so dam limp wristed.
Also both gay guys are just screaming stereotypes. Not All gay guys are either snarky bitches or limp wristed pansies ffs.
Captain Rudolph Ransom - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:48:30 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, I really felt like the gay sub-plot has lost its way.
At first I thought the dead buddy was his lover too. That was just bad writing. I get the fact that he was just a close friend. I mean, gay guys can have straight friends and colleagues. But, it wasn't played that way. Even a line about, "How is Carol," or something. I dunno. More "buddy-buddy" dialog. Instead it seemed like it could have been romantic, and we were all primed by CBS to "Look out for our gay relationship on DIS!" So, yeah. Poorly executed idea.

The limp wristed thing is tough. I know that the guy who plays the doc is gay. He played the gay friend in My So Called life like 20 years ago. And he seems to be "OK, I'll be gay here." It would be nicer if one of them was less stereotypically gay. Stametz has potential. He is very competitive, and they could have wrote him as a kinda Science Bro, but gay. Sort of dominant and blunt. Instead we get "gay snark."

I also don't know how I feel about how they have done the gay thing so far....Trek always had this kind of progressive thing going on. Roddenberry intentionally included minorities and addressed issues of racism, etc. If they have an episode where the DIS has to rally round their gays, or the gays save the ass of someone from Homophobia 9, that would be more Trek.

Will say, kinda liking Saru now. His self-doubt works well, and he does what needs to get done. And he has ambitions, but isn't a total dick about it. Better written than Burnham, to be honest. He seems more rounded. Which is ironic since he has this sort of one-dimensional gimmick with his ganglia and all that. I get the sense he is being written for something very heroic that will overcome his handicap of being super-sensitive to danger. Which would be pretty Trek.
Weyoun 5 - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:52:03 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.61831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So I watched Orville and it was a pretty awful excuse for comedy. But it wasn't a bad trek type sci fi. The plots wouldn't quite fly as is, but the twists, ideas and general feel nailed it. I mean the captain being the deity wasn't the most imaginative twist but it worked and opening the sky was good. The use of poetry and references to real human culture is also a very trek thing, they subvert it but it shows that the people making Orville actually like star trek and know what it is.

Like if Orville wasn't a comedy and was actually trek, prime directive and stuff it'd probably be somewhere slightly below season 4 ENT but that'd put it above most of Voyager, the rest of ENT and what we've seen of discovery so far in that order
Mezoti - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 01:24:29 EST ID:TVUg96i3 No.61837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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When the Orville's jokes land they fucking slay me.
Nothing like Star Trek's comic relief, pic related.

When the Orville's jokes don't land it doesn't push its luck and they don't bother me.
Charles Tucker III - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:25:52 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are you caught up? The first three episodes were meh but 4 and 5 were 10/10
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:49:46 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.61841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've seen 3 and 4.

I don't think I laughed once. Maybe I almost snickered once. I noticed the jokes but they just didn't tickle me.

But I did like the actual plot, writing etc. And that's the thing, I don't feel it's a good comedy but it's a better Trek than discovery. It shows what having someone who actually loves Trek can do for a show. season 4 ENT was actually good being just below it is really the par we should be aiming for if we don't want to continue with race to the bottom generic dark gritty shit fi[/%} The set design was also better. The bridges on discovery are huge. How can someone cover someone else's station or carry a fucking datapad to the captain in less than 3 hours?
Captain Edward Jellico - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:50:04 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Review: ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Slowly Goes Where Dark TV Has Gone Before

>But a little more than halfway through the season’s first eight-episode run (the “second chapter” begins in January), the story lacks momentum. The dialogue is stilted. The chemistry among the still-forming central team is shaky. The series doesn’t have a voice so much as a mood, and that mood is, usually, a bummer.


Captain Edward Jellico - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:53:36 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek shouldn't say "f**k": Why Discovery's "darkness" is missing the point

>It's not big, it's not clever... and it's not f**king cool.

>Why did it happen now? Simply because it could


Karyn Archer - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:18:40 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I got the same impression from it. Discovery really feels like it's ticking the boxes. I had something similar with the gay relationship. People have complained about it, but I think that's because it feels stilted. I also had the impression that Stamets was banging the shrooms dude on the other ship, BTW. I'd bet my left nut that it was intentional.

But I thought they would kiss at the end. I knew gay shit was coming, so when they do the reveal (and it's totally a fucking reveal, the "progressive" fetishizing cheapskates...) I really expected there would do a kiss. Like "I'm glad you're still you", kiss, creepshot in the mirror. Perfect ending. Because the kiss would affirm the intimacy between them, contrasted with this foreshadowing that not all is well.

And they don't kiss. I felt robbed, man. It's so cowardly, to virtue signal about your gay characters and then cop out of the first scene they have where a kiss would make sense. One of those Trek fan films had a full minute of nonstop gay snogging, to the point where you're just expecting it to end any moment now, but it just keeps going (kind of like a Family Guy gag, really). Nobody complained about that.

The last episode just dropped a lot of balls for me. And I still consider it the best one yet, because it's the first STD episode that's a proper episode on its own, with a central problem, some proper character interaction, good resolution at the end, and not a terribly dark one at that. And it still made me roll my eyes like a pinball machine. But I think the copping out is STD's main problem. It's fake edge when you have the cutesy redhead drop a cutesy fuckbomb, but don't have the homo's kiss. Let alone my entire rant about their mistreatment of the prisoner theme.
Karyn Archer - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:26:09 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I had second thoughts about the episode, and the bit with Stamets and the doc isn't quite the cheesy reveal I remembered it as. So my outrage is slightly misplaced.

They still should have kissed, though.
The Doctor - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:09:09 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes, totally agree on the kissing! Modern Family is guilty of this too. The gay characters in that have experienced some sort of male lesbian bed death or something because they have zero sexuality. Even Phil is shown as a more sexual being. I feel like CBS is doing the same thing ABC has done. We can talk about it, but don't show it.

And it felt stilted. And wrong. I'm not gay, but I am 100% sure gay couples are just like straight couples. Same dynamics. Same concerns, fears, feelings, etc. If that scene was for a STRAIGHT couple, it wouldn't have flown. It would never have left the table without some better writing and more intimacy thrown in there.

And CBS is free from any FCC bullshit here. I can see Fox censoring some hot Bortus on Other-Bortus-Like-Dude action on Orville, but CBS All Access is free from that bullshit. Come on...
Weyoun 8 - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:28:27 EST ID:fYg9wzgq No.61848 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Fucking incoherent whiners. The "Fuck" in Star Trek Discovery was NOT DARK IN ANY WAY. That wasn't the point of it. It's the episode where the characters finally start to feel like they know each other and develop their relationships.

Tilly saying fuck is amiable and completely plausible, and that's what makes it okay. That scene served the actual important function of making everyone let their guards down and let some goddamn feelings out.

That "Fuck" actually did more for the character development of the show than the first two episodes did. It could have been another way but it wasn't and the way it was executed made it IMPORTANT.
In that moment I turned on a dime from hating Tilly to really liking her character.

And that is so fucking cool.
The Doctor - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:46:31 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck you and fuck that post!

Naw, just kidding....

I get your point. I think the problem here is that there are two opposing forces at work here. CBS wants to "update Trek." Meanwhile you have Gene's Ghost which is telling you that the future is so progressive, profanity is sort of useless.
DaiMon Torrot - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 06:19:01 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
While reserved couples exist, it's also a safe way of doing a couple on TV. There's plenty of people who would complain about too much gay sex, after all. Even if there's none. In STD, I wanted them to kiss because I expected it. It's the introduction of their advertised gay couple, and they've made a big show and dance of this "not your daddy's Trek" thing, and of advertising their political affiliations. The best way to do this "not your daddy's Trek" thing is doing something Trek hasn't done before. That's pretty much everything STD does. Trek also hasn't done a gay kiss. So just do it.

And, as I've already said, it would work much better in the episode. Stamets almost died, and the doc probably had to treat him. He's still scanning him in the scene. Even a hug would have worked better. Like you said, they don't have any chemistry in the scene. Do they even touch each other, hand on shoulder style?

They'll probably kiss in the future, but I bet it's going to be tonedeaf to the rest of the episode. That seems to be STD's style.

I didn't like it because it was so forced. It was also one of the first lighthearted things STD did, and it was in a very dark episode. That clashed for me. Like I said in my previous post: It feels like STD is just ticking the boxes.
T'Pol - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 06:47:45 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>And that is so fucking cool.

Oh fuck off. If that moment was the best character moment in the entire show thus far then idk what the fuck you're saying is so great.
That moment felt contrived and ridiculous. In fact the whole episode felt that way. The characters feel stupid and inauthentic. I'll admit that it was a decent moment and almost felt authentic, but it's sprinkles on a turd. And it was forced as fuck. It didn't feel real. It felt like something a sitcom character would say. Because that's all CBS can do is shitty sitcom writing.
So please do keep telling me about how great those sprinkles are.
Lonzo - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:04:44 EST ID:aBP3+y8b No.61880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>how great those sprinkles are

It's not sprinkles, it's the bread and butter of Star Trek: developing characters on an adventure. We've been fucking starving on nothing but Klingon dried Bregit lungs and federation plot pills.
This was when that changed.
Lonzo - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:06:30 EST ID:aBP3+y8b No.61881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not just the scene, two thirds of the scenes in the episode were dedicated to that stuff. The show is making an actual turn.
Lt. JG Nog - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 04:30:27 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes but in this case, it's all plot and a very small amount of development.
Yes it should be the bread and butter, but in this case it's sprinkles on top of the turd.
Furel - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:59:46 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I hope that tomorrow it keeps going on this trend of being slightly less shit ever episode.
Either the main arc is gonna be too focused on the mushroom crap and it will be dumb, or it's gonna be more focused on war and Lorca being a "bad" captain and it could be good.

Those are the two ways I see it going.
Tora Ziyal - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 06:01:43 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In this analogy, it's more like being thrown a stale crust with no butter in sight. Star Trek is character and concept driven. STD is not, but had some actual character bonding in this one episode. Better than nothing, but not something that will sustain you.

>The show is making an actual turn.

I'm seeing a lot of people say stuff like this, based on the tiniest of evidence. And what are you basing this on? One character dropping a cussword. Where is all this completely unwarranted optimism coming from? It reminds me of psychological tests where they'd give people some sort of control console, and a goal. But the console was just doing random shit and didn't accept input. Turns out most people convinced themselves they were having some sort of effect. This also happened with a defect 747, where the crew lost control. They kept trying, and kept telling themselves that they were having an effect. Until they crashed into a mountain. People who do not exhibit this effect are often also depressed. Hence the term "depressive realism".

This show is turning about as well as a 7474 with its controls blown out.
Homn - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 03:30:23 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
After tonight's episode I think it actually may be making a turn. It just took them way too long to get everything established since they wasted two episodes on the shitty pilot.
Lorca is going more and more rogue by the minute, which keeps stuff interesting.
Also, I gotta believe that Lorca had predicted that the admiral would have been taken prisoner or killed.
I was half expecting him to destroy her shuttlecraft and blame it on the Klingons.
My only gripe is that it was silly for the Vulcans to send their most valuable diplomat, Sarek, out on a shuttle with only 1 guard. Normally you would think that he would have been escorted by a big powerful ship. But that seems to be a recurring theme, as Lorca did the same in the episode before. That's not that big of a complaint though.
Oh, also the cosmic mind meld thing again. I guess I can live with it.
Also, I want to do Tilly in the butt. She got a big ol booty.
Amanda Grayson - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 03:34:26 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Alright this new episode pissed me off
A FUCKING HOLODECK FUCK YOU NO. How the FUCK did they just make a fucking artificial mind meld machine in like 30 min?! Why would a FUCKING ADMIRAL go to a Klingon meeting with only two fucking guards wtf are you retarded did you not even consider whether it might be a trap wtf WTF
Michael's dialogue is fucking terrible as usual, but I can see how the character might become better, but I'm not holding my breath. Lorca is probably the only redeeming part of this episode
Also wtf was that last shot? He had a phaser in his belt?! WHOaOAaOa so dramatic fuck you CBS. Also fortune cookies are a fucking gay thing for the captain to be know for, cant even come close to Earl Grey or a baseball, or shit, even coffee
Amanda Grayson - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 03:39:49 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Interesting, I definitely did not NB this, did board broke?
Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:39:32 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it hit the bump limit. I just pasted my most recent post to the new thread

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