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Star Trek Discovery Discussion: III by Vekma - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:02:35 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Vekma - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:04:22 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>“I don't mean to sound irreverent when I say I don't care about the die-hard Trek fans,” he told us at an event in Los Angeles. “I only ‘don't care’ about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other.”

http://archive.is/LePAU

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/star-trek-new-captain-not-care-trekkies-article-1.3404011

pastaed from the dead thread for discussion sake
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M'Ress - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:11:03 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60634
Turns out I'm M'Ress today. Good. I like cats. Prrr.

To repeat myself: The idea of Star Trek is not beholden to the name, which is just a trademark owned by a bunch of money-grubbing business moguls. This sort of nihilistic nonsense confirms that. The revelling in the anger of people who are... right. How else can you predict their response? You know you're not giving them what they want.

This is basically a direct insult for being a discerning consumer. For liking what Trek was, and expecting more under the same name. If you go to a coffeeshop, are you happy to know that they're actually serving instant decaf? No. This guy is calling you a piece of shit for that attitude.
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Commander Suran - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:20:44 EST ID:cUvIYtGT No.60636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
more like dicksuckery amirite
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DaiMon Birta - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:48:42 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60634
I'm guessing this is more of an ego thing.
He already knows that nobody's gonna like him so he's acting like a kid saying "Well I said I don't care so fuck off"
I kinda feel bad for the whole crew. I bet they thought they were getting in on something great.
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Syrran - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:02:44 EST ID:YMCmT0Re No.60646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60640

Edward James Olmos did the same thing during the first press conference for the Battlstar Galatica reboot, although he was far more diplomatic about it.
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Noah Lessing - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:40:57 EST ID:WoQW9sCu No.60650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60646
I hope that was intentional
if it's not, read that aloud
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Etana Jol - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:02:19 EST ID:SlMc3SOc No.60651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60650

> Olmos did the same
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Toral - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:47:31 EST ID:4IpzrAqz No.60653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60634
Like I said in the dead thread, he ain't the writers or directors. To a certain extent he doesn't have to respect the franchise. He's just gotta be a captain.
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Subcommander Almak - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:10:11 EST ID:4oKo+0e2 No.60656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60653
Well it' attitudes like that are part of the problem. We as fans (or at least I as a fan) want everyone involved to be passionate about the project and not just treat it like a paycheck. I'm personally sick of my favorite franchises just being seen as a source of easy money.
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Karr - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:36:39 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.60658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60656
Except he's the captain. All he has to do is be a captain while the script writers and set designers and directors make it Trek.

Avery Brooks didn't have to give a shit about the Trek community's expectations either, and in almost every way he was the opposite of what we had come to expect.
When this turns out to be a shitshow, he's going to be one of the last guys on the list of reasons lol. It's a super minor problem that one of the leads doesn't care about trekness. It could even turn out to be a good thing in that case. It's going to be devastating when the more important aspects of the storytelling and production don't give a shit about trekness.
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Leeta - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:59:58 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60658
To me, it seems very obvious that Trek worked because everyone put the effort in. It's no coincidence that that sort of attitude is constantly on display in Trek itself.

When you get people who are just along for the ride, you get Chakotay.
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Worf - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:00:18 EST ID:WK73TGGI No.60662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60661
That was really the writer's fault though. Chakotay was a pile of half-ass from start to finish.
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Vosk - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:10:20 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60662
>Chakotay was a pile of half-ass from start to finish.

Blame this guy: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Jamake_Highwater

tldr: the network trusted a fake indian to tell them indian stuff.
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Brathaw - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:19:34 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Trailer 3 is out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2g9sfhtBRo

I honestly do not believe the lead actress can act. Her voice sounds flat.
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Weyoun 5 - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:48:02 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60665
I hope there is at least a little bit of philosophical depth to it.
I mean I get it. A lot of the old series were kinda about the cold war.

It just seems so obvious that this is all about terrorism. I hope it's just not too overt and soulless. If it's just trek vs terrorists I won't be disappointed, because that's impossible, but I will be a bit upset.
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Seamus - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 06:15:12 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60667 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60662
It was the fault of everyone involved. That's the entire point. In TNG and DS9, actors were actively involved in their characters. Garak, for instance, wasn't canonically gay, but Andrew Robinson took a conscious effort to inject some tension in his interaction with Siddig. Frakes said that in TNG's LGBT episode, the actor playing the alien Riker falls in love with should have been a man. We've got other reports of actors refusing to say lines they didn't agree with. Stuff like that.

Beltran just sat there and collected his paycheck. It's the Swiss cheese model of accident prevention. To prevent an accident (a shitty character, in this case) you have several layers of defense, and only when they all fail (when the holes line up) do you actually have an accident. The lack of care in the actors in Voyager removed an important line of defense, and that's one of the reason why Voyager is worse than the rest. Of course, the writers are also to blame. But what if Beltran had just said the Indian crap is bullshit and offensive?

When I look at the characters I like in Voyager, they're invariably being played by actors who cared. You get someone like Tim Russ, who is a huge fan, and it shows. It's a world of difference with people phoning it in, like Beltran.
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Christopher Pike - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:00:32 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.60669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60667
This reminds me of the story Patrick Stewart told when some local station where they had the studio wanted to do the weather on the set of the bridge of TNG and Stewart got pissed about it as a result of the same integrity.

And I've never heard Garak was gay... that's pretty funny if true...
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Gregory Quinn - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:37:27 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60669
>Garak is gay
Come on man, how could not tell he want that sweet, sweet Bashir butt
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Brathaw - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:44:31 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Captain Jason Isaacs Clarifies Controversial Statements

>Perhaps most controversial of all, Isaacs asserted that the Discovery would “throw away” the legacy of William Shatner and Patrick Stewart

>includes twitter battle between Isaacs and Shatner

http://archive.is/xaxBt

http://www.treknews.net/2017/08/17/jason-isaacs-star-trek-fans-shatner/
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Brathaw - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:50:18 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>STAR TREK: DISCOVERY – Part I – An Open Letter to Network & Studio Execs

There is no way to properly tldr this article. A long rant. Worth your minutes, but says everything you already know.

http://archive.is/ams9Q

http://ncc-1031.com/opinion/star-trek-discovery-part-i-an-open-letter-to-network-and-studio-executives/
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Natasha Yar - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:25:48 EST ID:e4+3iMoR No.60673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60671
See, coming from an actor I love all of this. Absolutely all of it.

If it were the writing team I'd be ranting right now.
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Timothy Lang - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 20:36:05 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60676 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60673
Well, he's a self-centered prick, so he might fill Shatner's boots quite well...
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Krax - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:38:47 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60671
lol Isaacs' head is lodged so far up his ass
he should just quit speaking on the internet or have someone else do it for him if he's not responsible enough to word his own thoughts
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Admiral William J Ross - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:47:26 EST ID:HTwlSP09 No.60680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60676
Exactly, my dude.
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Captain Paul Rice - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:46:07 EST ID:PU+0MICM No.60681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's what you get for hiring a deatheater.
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Senator Vreenak - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:09:41 EST ID:bG7T1enp No.60682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm just going to be the first to make this prediction: they are going to pull the same bullshit with Michelle Yeoh that Star Wars did with Donnie Yen. "Oh, an international superstar, expert in martial arts? Let's give them a few hokey lines of dialogue and one quarter-assed fight scene against a few nameless baddies."

I was hyped as FUCK for Donnie to have some badass scenes, I am sure the same disappointment awaits with Michelle.
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Jaresh-Inyo - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:56:11 EST ID:Ppi/R+Gb No.60687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60682
Yeah but if she kicks ass how are they going to explain the state of melee combat by TOS? Or will she just get beaten up by people putting their 2 fists together and thumping her with it?
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Senator Pardek - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:34:16 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60687
wire-work kirk-fu
like, double spinning 360 fistthumps
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DaiMon Solok - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:38:35 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60688
I bet she dies in the first episode.
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:52:41 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery boss hints at "Klingon war" in season 1 – and what's to come in season 2

>"Each season needs to be about a different thing," he said. "I wouldn't necessarily want to bring the Klingon War into season two.

>"However, the results of the war are going to allow for a lot of new storytelling that will be the result of everything that happens and the people that are left behind; the casualties, the things that have grown in Starfleet as a result of the war. That's what we'll inherit in the second season."

http://archive.is/6EuHX

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/news/a835632/star-trek-discovery-klingons-season-2/
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Sarek - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 00:35:41 EST ID:0LBKrNiK No.60699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Jason Isaacs 'Dares' Skeptical Trekkies To Watch 'Star Trek: Discovery'

>"I don’t mean to sound irreverent when I say I don’t care about the die-hard Trek fans." Isaacs revealed. "I only 'don’t care' about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other."

http://archive.is/u2zen

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/08/21/star-trek-discovery-jason-isaacs-controversy/
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James T Kirk - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 00:39:04 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60699
lol these thin-skinned fucks
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Ambassador Thoris - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:24:40 EST ID:uM9K5JYi No.60724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60699
I love how these actors believe it's a forgone conclusion that they are going to have a job beyond a year.
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Seskal - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:36:35 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60724
Or ever again. None of these people need to work in film ever again as far as I am concerned.
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Kevin Mulkahey - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 22:36:15 EST ID:gsKIAjNm No.60732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60693
>what's to come in season 2
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Harry Mudd - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:55:17 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>WATCH: T’Kuvma Pledges To “Remain Klingon” In Latest ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Trailer

>They are coming… atom by atom. They will silence us… cell by cell. Our souls shall become theirs. We must fight for one thing… above all… to remain… Klingon.

Link to tweet: https://twitter.com/startrekcbs/status/901127180180115457

http://archive.is/m0QnR

http://www.treknews.net/2017/08/28/star-trek-discovery-klingon-trailer/
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Harry Mudd - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:56:15 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60748
two things: 1) sounds like a video game trailer. 2) region locking is one of the worst things on earth, I would fight a war to stop it.
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Major J Hayes - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:37:44 EST ID:bAvWXNO+ No.60750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60748
I didn't realize the new Star Trek was supposed to be a AAA gaming title
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K'Ehleyr - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:02:52 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60748
Looks good but I'm gonna wait to buy it until it's on sale on Steam.
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Katherine Pulaski - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:16:56 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>A Variety cover story on the latest Star Trek franchise revealed just how much each episode of the series costs to make — between $8 and $8.5 million, making the show one of the most expensive in television history.

>For now, though, CBS CEO Les Moonves is the only person executive producer Aaron Harberts is worried about reaching.

>"Our metric right now is Les Moonves saying, 'I've watched the first six episodes, and I love them," Harberts said. "That's the metric at the moment."

http://archive.is/mlmn0

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/08/29/star-trek-discovery-budget-/
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Katherine Pulaski - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:18:39 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Two More 'Star Trek: Discovery' Seasons Already In Planning

>Discovery showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg reveals that the producers “have a road map for season two and the beginnings of one for season three.”

http://archive.is/JhUDg

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/08/29/star-trek-discovery-season-2-season-3/
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Kai Winn - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:41:35 EST ID:kAdRt3JA No.60763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60761
>making the show one of the most expensive in television history.
lol but they tried to lowball Michael Dorn
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:41:56 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60761
>who the fuck is Les Moonves?
>He became Chairman of CBS in February 2016

>In February 2005, Moonves was identified as the executive directly responsible for ordering the cancellation of UPN's Star Trek: Enterprise and the ending of the 18-year revival of the Star Trek television franchise

>Moonves is a great-nephew of Paula Ben-Gurion, wife of David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel

>He practices Transcendental Meditation, and has said, "It puts me in a calm state, which I'm not always in.

>On December 10, 2004, Moonves got a court to grant an early divorce.[36] Tired of waiting, Moonves' motion cited a "desire to return to the status of being single". 13 days later in Mexico, he married Chen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Moonves

Wow this dude is a fucking scumbag.
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Captain Kargan - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:05:35 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60764
Considering his ties to Israel he sounds like a sock puppet.
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Sphere Builder - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:19:19 EST ID:c4T44y1i No.60767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60764
>Wow this dude is a fucking scumbag.

Why? Because he cancelled Enterprise? That was a mercy killing. Blame Berman for running the entire franchise into the ground, not this guy for being to read the writing on the wall.

Or hate him for shortcutting his divorce? Because respectable men prefer long divorces?

He sounds like a determined, aggressive, dickish man. Hugbunnies rarely get to Chairman. Calling him a scumbag is trying too hard.
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Natima Lang - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:34:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60767
He doesn't know the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek and he's the one responsible for this shitfest that is Discovery.

I think it is you that is trying too hard.
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Iliana Ghemor - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:47:13 EST ID:hSe7xgue No.60769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60767
>called Sphere Builder
>doesn't like ENT
Actually though if they'd put it down during season 3 it'd be a mercy killing. But the show got good once he decided to shit can it and let the producers do what they want. If his meddling wrought the Xindi arc then it's a bad sign he's involved.

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation.
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Harry Kim - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 17:31:22 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Kol is a member of the House of Kor. We know Kor is an important Klingon who will come into conflict with Kirk

>House of Kor

Why can't they write new stories with new characters? This makes it seem like there are only 30 people in the Star Trek universe.
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William T Riker - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 22:14:27 EST ID:bIYZBEkL No.60782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60780
>This makes it seem like there are only 30 people in the Star Trek universe.

Fans are guilty of this, too, when they play connect-the-dots with every little thing, like arguing that V'Ger is some kind of Borg refugee. Maybe the show is better off if we don't make every single character a cousin.
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Dr. Denara Pel - Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:17:01 EST ID:oaTY3ITf No.60788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60782
>Fans are guilty of this, too

Fans are not being paid millions of dollars to produce new content.
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Third of Five - Sun, 03 Sep 2017 23:48:57 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Sonequa Martin-Green Calls 'Star Trek: Discovery' A "Solution To Today's Problems"

>Being able to be a part of what I like to call 'the solution' to today’s problems, I mean, there are lots of solutions but being one of them is a big deal."

>Jason Isaacs, recently revealed he took the job as a way to process the current political and social climate. "The world is complicated and horrible." Isaacs explained. "And I don’t know how to explain to my children the insanity of the people who are in charge of it at the moment. I thought it was a good story to tell — and something I would be happy to watch — about presenting a vision of the world that’s full of drama but also full of resolution and unity."

http://archive.is/e4iZl

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/09/03/star-trek-discovery-politics-plot-sonequa-martin-green/
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Willie Hawkins - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 14:50:46 EST ID:aGXOTlyw No.60807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60801
Maybe this dummy should let kids be kids instead of trying to inform them of their political salt
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Leonard McCoy - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 03:19:31 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.60811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60767
>>60769

I'd say season 2 would've been a mercy killing. While the Xindi arc wasn't perfect it was much more enjoyable than the first two seasons and actually got me somewhat invested.
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Talok - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 13:22:15 EST ID:hSe7xgue No.60813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60811
I feel like the Xindi arc should have been half as long, less laboured and it might have been enjoyable. I just found it dragged. Season 4 had one story that cool every 3 episodes. Season 1 and 2 were weak. They were like S1 and 2 TNG without the good or great episodes (though admittedly it's more like "the two pretty good episodes in season 1 and the good and great episodes in season 2"). A few of them were mediocrity with flashes of something more. At least when TNG did shit it did it so well it's entertaining in it's own right. I wonder if The Room was a homage to "I want to break the prime directive but god won't let me". I wonder if he should have questioned god's desire to kill Wesley but even Picard can't be perfect all the time.
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Keiko O'Brien - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 21:13:19 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>“What will you do if you were stuck here for 89 years?” asks Georgiou. It’s unclear why the specific number of 89, but one possibility is that the electric atmospheric lightning seen in the trailer could be at least part of the reason. “A likely scenario, unless we die here in the desert” responds Burnham. “As a Xenoanthropologist I could reveal myself to the natives, learn their culture, try to fit in. If possible” she continues.

http://archive.is/n68ZU

http://ncc-1031.com/news/more-star-trek-discovery-clips-surface-cbs-this-morning/
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Keiko O'Brien - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 17:14:03 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery will continue the venerated sci-fi tradition of using a fantastic setting to tackle real-world issues — only in a bigger way than any Trek series has done before

>“The allegory is that we really started working on the show in earnest around the time the election was happening,” showrunner Aaron Harberts says. “The Klingons are going to help us really look at certain sides of ourselves and our country. Isolationism is a big theme.

>Racial purity is a big theme. The Klingons are not the enemy, but they do have a different view on things. It raises big questions: Should we let people in? Do we want to change? There’s also the question of just because you reach your hand out to someone, do they have to take it? Sometimes, they don’t want to take it. It’s been interesting to see how the times have become more of a mirror than we even thought they were going to be.”

http://archive.is/Yzv1l

http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/07/star-trek-discovery-trump-political-divide/
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Ensign Hogan - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 21:01:56 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60849
NOOOOOOOOOOO
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE WRITERS/PRODUCERS DOING
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Kimara Cretak - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 21:53:11 EST ID:4JJOVuNj No.60851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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what the fuck?
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Jimmy - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 22:38:11 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hahahaha holy shit this gets better and better
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Badar N'D'D - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 10:53:47 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60851

>how to heal a divided nation

>let's make the half that won the election into the bad guys
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Badar N'D'D - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 11:44:11 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Likens Trump Supporters to Racist Klingons

>Producers of the new, Internet-only Star Trek series say their new Klingon warriors are allegories for racist Trump supporters.

>http://archive.is/axgCL

http://www.kkk.com/big-hollywood/2017/09/08/star-trek-trump-racist-klingons/

CBS threw star trek into the trash to make a hackneyed and 1 dimensional anti-trump screed. Sad!
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Badar N'D'D - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 11:45:12 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60857

>breit bart filters to KKK

This isn't helping either. nb.
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Elim Garak - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 16:59:46 EST ID:R6W8mQ9G No.60859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60858
lmao that's great
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Prophet - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 20:14:41 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.60860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60858


Now thats a fucking automod, rofl.
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Minuet - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 20:34:31 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.60862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60857
>quick internet search
Why are there no klingon pepes? You've had five years to get this shit sorted out.
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Iliana Ghemor - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 00:13:39 EST ID:0uaelAC1 No.60864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
EAS has started writing about Discovery despite earlier statements that they wouldn't:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/dis-klingons.htm

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/new-series.htm

no archive because EAS is bomb and you should just visit it.
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Dr. Mizan - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 04:37:47 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60862
Because pepe is without honour.
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Ambassador Shras - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 12:48:43 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Latest ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Promo Features New Footage…And Depeche Mode

>This one features a few bits of new footage along with music from Depeche Mode’s “Where’s The Revolution.”

http://archive.is/rjBIi

https://trekmovie.com/2017/09/10/latest-star-trek-discovery-promo-features-new-footage-and-depeche-mode/
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Janice Rand - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 20:57:16 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.60870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60867
>Depeche Mode
They know what they're doing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62WXBkDdImg
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Simon Tarses - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 08:24:27 EST ID:DMbI2BD1 No.60878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm waiting for the plotline where Section 31 thinks the Klingon hacked the Federation election.
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Legate Damar - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:48:19 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek Discovery brings wartime drama to space

>This won't be the Trek you're used to -- and that's the point.

>If war's not your thing, don't fret. "Discovery" will wrap up the conflict by the end of its 15-episode first season.

>Harberts called Lorca a mysterious character, which suggests that your opinion of him will change over the course of the show.

>Linguists will appreciate the fact that he based his southern accent on an amalgam of dialects from different states, assuming that in the future, those borders will have faded.

>Stamets and Culber are the first gay couple to be featured in a Star Trek series. When the viewers first see them, they'll have already been together for years -- so there's no Ross and Rachel will-they-won't-they dynamic here.

>Chieffo has heard the criticism of the different look of the Klingons, and said there's an explanation that fits with the broader continuity of Star Trek. She noted that the Klingons of "Discovery" don't have hair because their sensors are on the back and behind the ears.

>Chieffo promised that you'll see a lot of scenes from the Klingon perspective, so there's no true villain in this show.

http://archive.is/OafF1

https://www.cnet.com/news/star-trek-discovery-brings-war-time-drama-to-space/

Yeoh uses her native accent but the britshit fakes 'redneck'? ...
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Yeggie - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:08:14 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60882
>Linguists will appreciate the fact that he based his southern accent on an amalgam of dialects from different states, assuming that in the future, those borders will have faded.
I wouldn't expect an American to get beyond "generic British accent". You don't need to make elaborate lies to hide this.
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Gul Macet - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:59:45 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.60885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60883
Whatever he sounds like it can't possibly hold a candle to Jared Harris in The Expanse. It's the strangest amalgam of accents. It's most similar to the Hong Kong accent, as that's pretty much the kind of accent that would develop in a multi-national port city or a culturally diverse asteroid belt outpost over a few hundred years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_65cOKxoJ_U
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Jennifer Sisko - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:51:48 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eupcy0lIjsk
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Captain Tel-Peh - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:09:57 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60886
You haven't got shit on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD27woHDWbo

She sounds like a composite put together syllable by syllable.
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Brok'tan - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 20:32:46 EST ID:wJOzejd2 No.60888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60887
She's just a chinese valley-girl cross. She's mixing some other forms of English in there but there's no third or fourth influence from other languages lol. She couldn't tell the difference between canadians, west coast americans and east coast americans and just learned them all without learning the distinction.

She literally does sound like three different computer voice accents randomly switching between each other though.
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Commander Tebok - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 12:49:30 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Klingons in ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Not Based on Trump Supporters, CBS Says

>CBS is denying that recent statements by “Star Trek: Discovery” co-showrunner Aaron Harberts imply that the Klingons in the upcoming series are based on supporters of President Donald Trump.

http://archive.is/3NyYb

http://www.thewrap.com/star-trek-discovery-klingons/
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Commander Tebok - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 12:54:49 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery's Captain Lorca Is Apparently Hiding Some Creepy Secrets

>the ship's brig is also called "Lorca's menagerie," and that Lorca "is a student of war, in addition to being a Starfleet captain." During the set visit, Harberts also said that Lorca will actually spend a lot of his time working in his menagerie, which has secured access, as opposed to his office or on the bridge.

>the set visit also revealed that Lora's office is home to a battle map showing active conflicts between the two groups, it sounds like things escalate pretty quickly. And, when I add those two things with Lorca's "work" in his "menagerie" and his "disturbing" secrets, I come up with a whole lot of experimenting on prisoners.

http://archive.is/mgJ6j

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1701652/star-trek-discoverys-captain-lorca-is-apparently-hiding-some-creepy-secrets
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Commander Tomalak - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:46:13 EST ID:rUoCQP0r No.60898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60896

wtf

This is the final nail in the coffin. This shit isn't Star Trek. This is JJTrek v2. Take Star Trek names and shapes and then jam a bunch of whatever into it. In this case it sounds like some fucked up The Wire shit. I'm not even going to watch the pilot.
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James T Kirk - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:45:00 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60898
Well it depends. The captain might also be the bad guy or at least "the guy who means well but is actually dumb" that regular stalwart trek antagonist and I think this is likely. If he's an edgy ambiguous morally grey not enemy the whole arc then that'd be about as bad as it gets though.
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Jonathan Archer - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:14:15 EST ID:L6JbTdXo No.60902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60900
This might be a stretch, but maybe they're setting him up to be replaced by the XO or something because he's such an evil asshole.
And that interview blurb of the actor hating on the original trek or w/e is just a marketing ploy.
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Deanna Troi - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:18:00 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60898
>>60902
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Equinox_(episode)
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Furel - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:30:37 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60883
Dialect does die out with increased transportation and mobility, though. I don't speak my village's dialect, nor do I speak in the accent of the city where I live. But new ones do spring up, and I probably sound very much like the typical student, because that's the environment I hang out in. That's kind of how accents work. So we'll always have them, because there are only so many people you can hang out with. That's why class-based accents tend to endure, I guess. The village dialects have died out, but posh people still have their own typical way of speaking.

I always found it to be a glaring bit of backwards "progressivism", if you will, that TNG mentions languages as dying out completely. You'd expect the Federation to care about stuff like that. In my own country we have a minority language that's the only remaining part of that population with a large number of speakers, exactly because the deal in getting that province to be part of the kingdom was ensuring cultural protection. Their language is taught in schools, and immigrants to the province are encoured to learn it. Our neighbouring countries didn't do that, and they have a few thousand speakers of that language at best. We have hundreds of thousands, enough to ensure that the dialects of that language still endure as well.

Of course, to any outsider a typical accent might just sound like the majority accent. My mother speaks with an, for all intents and purposes, dead accent, and it sounds like generic British to everyone not in the know.
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Katogh - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:31:47 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Found this on a random forum while looking for discotrash leaks. Somewhat related.
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Sphere Builder - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:34:12 EST ID:rUoCQP0r No.60908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60903
And The Wounded. Sometimes there were damaged Starfleet officers. But to have the captain the hero ship be a distressed supercunt? One of Roddenberry's mandates, the one that pissed off the TNG writers so much, was that humanity was over its bullshit. This show seems to want to put Buffalo Bill in the center seat. One could argue that this is pre-TNG and pre-TOS and there's wiggle room to have fucked up crew, but I think that misses the point of the franchise.
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Mot - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:55:42 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60907
>the new Spock
wat
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Dr. Mora Pol - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 02:20:44 EST ID:uh9UqUg0 No.60911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60908
It definitely misses the point of the franchise. I don't even thing you could argue there is wiggle room to have a captain like that because its pre-TOS because its definitely post-ENT and its not like Archer converted the bring into Mengele's ready room. Things were a little less cut and dry but nothing like this. You can't just completely change everything, do whatever you want, slap the Trek name on it, and it be Trek because its more than that. No matter how hard they want to try to shoehorn SJW propaganda into the series and say its fine because that's what Trek is all about its not at all. Its not unifying, its not progressive, its divisive as fuck. A lot of people these days would probably call me racist, though I don't think I am, but I've seen DS9 like 5 times at least and the other series at least 3 times each and love most of the "minority" characters (fuck Chakotay) and don't even really see them that way because its done in such a way that they are just people. Sisko isn't "the black guy" he's just a dude. Janeway isn't a woman on a mission to battle misogyny she's just a nutcase lost in space. We've moved passed all that shit by then and that's kind of why it works.

They have these diverse characters and they have these poignant social commentary episodes but they do it in such a way that sometimes you don't even realize it when its happening right in front of you and by the time the episode is over you're just like, "damn" which is the polar opposite of they way it seems they want to go about it in Discovery with everything so in your face its just unbearable to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if they had an episode about the Klingons thinking the UFP contaminated the water and turned the tangqa' gay. You're not going to win people over or unify anyone if you go about it the way they are. You're just going to alienate half the population and increase the divide when you could have had a little bit of tact and might have actually changed some people's minds.

Honestly I just wish they would release it already and get it over with. I feel like the more time that passes and the more I see about it the more pissed off I'm going to get and maybe its not actually going to be as awful as I think. It just sucks because I was so excited when it was first announced and it could have been amazing but instead we get this.
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Mezoti - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 03:15:49 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60910

Going into TNG, Lavar Burton was the most famous member of the cast. People expected him to be the star.

>>60911

>A lot of people these days would probably call me racist

Maybe they wouldn't call you racist if you didn't bring up how not racist you are even when that isn't the topic?
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Katogh - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:49:48 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60912
>if you didn't bring up how not racist you are even when that isn't the topic?

Forced diversity quotas are racist. You are a racist if you refuse to admit this. You are a racist if you call other people racist when they question forced (racist) diversity quotas. Racist. NB.
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Ba'el - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:40:52 EST ID:Rzs08U1p No.60914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60912
but where do they get Spock from
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Temporal Agent Daniels - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:06:08 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60907
I don't see how it's related, except for trying to draw a false parallel between the fan responses. But TNG was being made by the same guy who made TOS. The one actual point that's brought up is, frankly, correct: TOS was made by the chemistry between the characters, though it's a glaring error to point out the energy between Kirk and Spock while leaving out McCoy. TNG wasn't a reboot or prequel, and it wasn't made in an atmosphere of shitty reboots and prequels. Neither were people inundated by constant assertions that "this is not your daddy's Trek" and other virtue signalling intended to appeal to non-fans.

Most worries about discotrash are far more founded in reality. Contrast that with the fact that the same people are perfectly willing to acknowledge that a Seth McFarlane comedy show with immature humour is carrying the Trek torch.

>>60911
Let's be real here: Sisko WAS "the black guy" more than any other Trek character. However, his blackness wasn't used as a weapon to either sell something or shut people up. It was a character trait. He was a Captain, a father, a baseball fan, and a black guy. And frankly, I think Janeway sucked precisely because they tried to write a "strong female protagonist" and failed horribly at it, interpreting that imperative as not being allowed to have her be wrong, to let her fail, or to let her rely on others. Janeway seems fake because the show is written around her. I've watched episodes that seemed to be about one character, only to have Janeway take over halfway through and have the plot bend over backwards to put her in the spotlight while, frankly, it should have been another character. The fact that VOY characters are all anemic and get little screentime has to do with Janeway having to hog all the attention. In my opinion.

Just think about it. When is Janeway ever in a vulnerable position? That's right. Fucking never. Kirk, Picard and Sisko get bent over a barrel more often than I can count, because adversity is a great way of showing the inner convictions of a character. But for Janeway, there's always a magical third path. Just do whatever. She is never out of control, not even once. And then she makes some horrible, gloating remark to her enemies, helpless before the power of plot advancement.

Christ, I hate that character.

>>60912
Look, when people try to sell a show with their diversity, that automatically gives people license to be critical of the ploy. If they just cast a bunch of people, and fans start picking out the blacks, browns, and yellows without prompting, THEN you can complain about racism. I mean, the people who said about Tuvok that they didn't think a black guy could play a Vulcan, that was racism. Tiny, harmless racism that was ultimately quelled by Tim Russ doing such a damn good job at the role. But if he hadn't, people would have felt validated in their racism, which would have been shit.
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Tallera - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:19:07 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.60917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60913
>>60915

Thanks for understanding the point I was trying to make. It made sense in my head but I guess I could have worded it better. I'm not as eloquent as some of you guys. I'm just a chef that loves Trek.

>Let's be real here: Sisko WAS "the black guy" more than any other Trek character.

I mean, I guess that is true I just never really saw him like that.

>However, his blackness wasn't used as a weapon to either sell something or shut people up. It was a character trait. He was a Captain, a father, a baseball fan, and a black guy.

and I guess that is why. He was just a dude that happened to be black. It was part of who is was and obviously I was aware of it but I never felt like it was really an issue or that he was there just because he was a black guy either in universe or by the people working on the show and I don't feel like it was ever exploited.

>I think Janeway sucked precisely because they tried to write a "strong female protagonist" and failed horribly at it, interpreting that imperative as not being allowed to have her be wrong, to let her fail, or to let her rely on others. Janeway seems fake because the show is written around her. I've watched episodes that seemed to be about one character, only to have Janeway take over halfway through and have the plot bend over backwards to put her in the spotlight while, frankly, it should have been another character. The fact that VOY characters are all anemic and get little screentime has to do with Janeway having to hog all the attention. In my opinion.

I always thought of Janeway as just a mid-level commanding officer on a not super important ship who would have had a pretty menial life had they not gotten snatched up by the Caretaker. She was somewhat competent in regular tasks but not an outstanding officer and wasn't particularly noteworthy. She got thrown in way over her head, she kind of locked down, and went a bit nuts. Which, honestly, is not that unreasonable considering the situation though we only really have the Equinox to compare it to they didn't do well either. I attribute most of their success to be in spite of Janeway and not because of her and to a fair bit of luck. If it wasn't for her crew Voyager would have been destroyed before the first season was halfway through. Had Ransom had the same ship and luck the roles could have easily been reversed.
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Mezoti - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:31:06 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60914

Well obviously Spock was some sort of gay robot elf, and Geordi has weird robot binoculars.

>>60915

Every trek cast has been deliberately diverse. The only difference now is that we have a bunch of talentless blogers to repeatedly point it out, and people like you, whose obsession with the issue makes you an elegant foil for their politically correct grandstanding.

I wasn't calling anyone a racist.
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Quark - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:05:56 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60917
I wouldn't go as far as "ever", but yeah they generally didn't make a point of it outside of that time he bitched about the holodeck and the time that one guy said jolly african-american
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Thot Pran - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 07:06:29 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60918
You're being an ass. You engaged Dr. Mora Pol with language that kind of implied he might be racist, and now you're talking shit about me because I responded to that. You started this conversation. If you don't want to have it, don't have it. But we've both talked about it just as much as the other, so if I'm obsessed with it, you definitely are. So take your ad hominems somewhere else.
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Commander Donatra - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 09:26:10 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>talentless bloggers
Yes.
>people like you
Look in a mirror, jesus. The people who won't stfu about race and racism are you and your blogger chums.
>I wasn't calling anyone a racist
That's a lie.
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Commander Donatra - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:58:19 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>CBS Won't Allow Any Reviews of Star Trek: Discovery Before It Airs

>Welcome, friends, to the story that never ends: it’s Star Trek: Discovery and the flaming nightmare pile that has been every bit of PR for this show. It could be great, it could be bad, it has been impossible to tell. And it will remain impossible to tell, since CBS has reportedly made it a condition of seeing the show early that no reviews be released until Discovery airs.

>And that’s usually a bad sign.

http://archive.is/tLY7f

https://io9.gizmodo.com/cbs-wont-allow-any-reviews-of-star-trek-discovery-befo-1809073782
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Corporal R Richards - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:36:18 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60927
Not surprising in the least. Just an other sign among thousands that this is a massive shitshow.
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Ambassador Soval - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:26:30 EST ID:vSUmAsFq No.60929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60928
They've put themselves into a Ghostbusters 2016 situation. The people making the show have fixated on a PC checklist that includes visibly repudiating sexism and sexuality. Reviews will probably split between reviewers who don't give a shit about that and look past it, reviewers on the PC bandwagon and KotakuInAction reviewers who call it utter shit. If you cut off all early reaction you maximize the chances of everyone watching the premiere.

It is so fucking bizarre that a 21st century tv show is twisting itself into knots like this. The last Star Trek production that stuck to a list of content was Generations. That time it was imposed by the studio. I wouldn't call Generations shit or unwatchable. I would call it a mess that fortunately had some master craftsmen on both sides of the camera to prop it up. But that list was about themes and some plot points. The list wasn't about virtue signalling and injecting conflict where it canonically doesn't belong. This show turning out to be good will be only slightly less shocking than Trump winning the election.
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Ishka Moogie - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 15:31:18 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.60932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60926

Which chromosome are you missing that made you think I agreed with people I called "talentless"?
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I.G. Keval - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 16:58:01 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.60933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60929
Media relations really need to shut the fuck up. Let people come up with their own interpretations of your allegory, don't make it a preacher's pulpit.

I mean, I have allegories in my ideas too, but it's less 'hey how would Captain Picard deal with trans bathroom issues' and more 'Nika Riots but with GOLDEN PSYCHIC SPACE ELVES IN SPAAAAAACE'
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Quark - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 18:52:45 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60927
when even Gawker won't front for your bullshit you probably need to just hang it up
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Neelix - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 23:33:50 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>STAR TREK: DISCOVERY'S KLINGON SHIP HAS A MORBID SECRET

>The ornate vessel is decked out in the coffins of the Klingon dead like a posh cousin to Serenity prepping to enter Reaver space. And the crew, many have pointed out, look quite a bit different from the Klingons of their future.

>“The outside of the ship is covered in thousands of coffins. Some are 300 years old, some are just two days old,”

>This new fascination with not only caring for the dead but using their stone coffins to literally shield their ship is a complete departure from anything we've seen in Star Trek before.

http://archive.is/Slh4j

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-trek-discoverys-klingon-ship-has-a-morbid-secret
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Neelix - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 00:02:23 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60935

EAS responds to the Klingon design / coffin ship

>The new information from Sullivan confirms what has been speculated about for months, that T'Kuvma's Klingons with their heavily decorated costumes and their cathedral-like starship, are some kind of forgotten sect, rather than "regular" Klingons. Whether the idea of "clerical" Klingons in a flying graveyard (the coffins of revered warriors affixed to the hull as easy targets?!) makes any sense is something up to Discovery to prove. In any case it doesn't make sense that Ted Sullivan refers to hairless Klingons as an exception, although Kol, member of the House of Kor, doesn't have hair either and overall looks like T'Kuvma, just with gray skin. My apprehension is that all Klingon houses in the series will look like this species (and may have weird technology and designs never seen before), by which Discovery will ultimately set itself apart from the rest of Star Trek as a total reboot.

>Regardless of the still existing slim chance to reconcile T'Kuvma and the sarcophagus ship with canon, I just hate the style of everything shown so far related to the Klingons. It is easily the worst production design ever conceived for an alien race of Star Trek. The sarcophagus ship from the outside and from the inside, the costumes of T'Kuvma and the "Torchbearer" and the Klingon props are all totally overdesigned. The designs are purely decorative. There are ornaments everywhere, different kinds of ornaments side by side and ornaments inside ornaments inside ornaments. Rather than alien, much of it looks like pieced together from various Earth's artistic periods such as Gothic, Baroque and some ancient Chinese, in a cut-and-paste fashion without an aesthetic or artistic eye. I can't take those overblown Klingons seriously. I hope that the other houses, even if they should be the same new species as T'Kuvma's, will have more tasteful, more practical and recognizably Klingon styling.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/new-series.htm#20170915
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Ghee P'Trell - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 00:40:52 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.60937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watching this series develop was like watching trump in his first few months in office

"it surely cant get worse than this" *next day* "oh sweet fuck..."
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Geordi La Forge - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 02:50:01 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.60938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60936
The problem is current canon suggests that *modern* Klingon beliefs do not care about dead bodies at all.

They have been strip mining existing films & shows for anything that would make the existence of a "coffin ship" reasonable. The only thing they've come up with is a "Mummification Glyph" (Voyage Home) and "Ak'voh" (DS9). Both of which were supposed to be from the ancient times.

Making it a "long forgotten sect" seems just like they are doubling down now after so many people pointed that out.
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Geordi La Forge - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 02:53:05 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.60939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ak%27voh
>It may reflect an earlier conception of the journey to Sto-vo-kor. Alternately, it may have been something Worf made up entirely to make amends with O'Brien, as he did when inventing the gik'tal to test Sito Jaxa.
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Persis - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:26:01 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60936
The design of the discotrash Klingons reminds me of the Necromongers from Riddick most of all. They also had a highly ornamental style, and especially their armour looks very similar. The whole deal with them being a superserious death cult where no-one ever smiles kind of drives it home. Do you think that's going to be their schtick? They're carrying those bodies because they need to drop them off at the afterlife somewhere, just like the Necromongers were, apparently, looking for a real place where they could become half undead creeps?
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Keiko O'Brien - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:16:09 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly strapping bodies to the hull is pretty fucking metal.

>>60938
They probably can't even use that DS9 thing if the "It's a movie license bullshit production" thing is true.

>>60936
if I were EAS I would find some reason to be unavailable for a year or so and just dodge covering this clown show.
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Neelix - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:38:09 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60941
>pretty metal
Yeah but Klingons? The main failing of Discotrash seems to be retconning everything that has a recognizable "brand". They could have just made up some new race.

>EAS
He posted a while back saying he was *not* going to do any updates to his site until the show was finished running, because he didn't want to keep up with whatever the hell STD is doing. Looks like he can't help himself. I am thankful, EAS is a great site.
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Douglas Pabst - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:12:26 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Star Trek: Discovery Is In Prime Timeline, “Apparent Discrepancies” Will Be Explained

>“Yes, Discovery is in the Prime timeline,” wrote Mack. “Apparent ‘discrepancies’ will be addressed/resolved. It works.”

>“Yes it is in the Prime timeline. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.”, what will matter most is how good the show will be, and that was the main subject of the twitter dialogue.

>“Want to know my prediction for what’s coming on @starrekcbs? Here it is: THE BEST FIRST SEASON OF A STAR TREK SERIES, =EVER=.”

http://archive.is/X5bCw

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/star-trek-discovery-is-in-prime-timeline-apparent_us_59bbe008e4b0390a1564dcb4
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Douglas Pabst - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:15:58 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>'Star Trek: Discovery' showrunners on boldly going somewhere new with the fabled space franchise

>“We had out first meeting with Michelle Yeoh [Capt. Georgiou] on election day and we were both wearing our ‘I voted’ stickers,” recalls Harberts. “She said, ‘What do you think is going to happen?’ At that point, we didn't really know, but we were obviously seeing sentiments during the entire election that did make us [ask], ‘Do we [even] have to look much further than our own backyard to start thinking about themes, to start thinking about conflicts, to start thinking about ideologies that are in dire opposition to each other?’ [The campaign] certainly provided us with a pretty dynamic and provocative backdrop.”

http://archive.is/OwZfy

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-ca-st-star-trek-discovery-aaron-harberts-gretchen-berg-20170915-story.html
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Greer - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:07:55 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.60945 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just imagine if they took all the work they've done bullshitting about their shitty half-assed show, and instead put it into their show
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Neelix - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:35:56 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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my bartender said to me "but what if it's awesome?" and I had to consider it, despite my committed belief to the contrary.

anyway what if pic related is not a typical transporter but some kinda interdimensional timey wimey shit?
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Captain Goroth - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:18:58 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60946
wait so that's supposed to be the transporter? It looks like jet engines are about to turn them into a red mist..
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M'ret - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:06:36 EST ID:ykiJhCGY No.60948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60944
No stop it CBS what are you doing
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Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:48:29 EST ID:fPj4DhfJ No.60949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60946
They've abandoned any sense of connection with the architecture and design heritage of either timeline. They're back to saying it's the Prime timeline? That's nice, but the set design looks like it belongs in 4th season Battlestar Galactica. How is there any generational flow between what we've seen and ENT and TOS and TNG? There isn't.
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Ensign Robin Lefler - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:18:33 EST ID:Vgh6xG6y No.60955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60947

You mean it looks like car mats and foldable windshield reflectorS?
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Krem - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:27:15 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60955
how much did each episode cost?
floor mats?
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Lt. George Primmin - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:44:45 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60956
>A Variety cover story on the latest Star Trek franchise revealed just how much each episode of the series costs to make — between $8 and $8.5 million, making the show one of the most expensive in television history.
all that for so little
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Hadley - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:47:30 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.60958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60955
>>60956

lol reminds me of that poster a while back who was like a contractor and worked in HVAC, and he always noticed the props in the background of star trek (from TOS up to JJTrek) all used some shitty ventilation pipes as a prop and it drove him crazy because he couldn't unsee it
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Duras - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 21:06:54 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60958
Geordie's VISOR is a Cadillac air intake filter or something.
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Montgomery Scott - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 21:08:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
iirc the universal translator display in ENT is just Adobe Audition (then Cool Edit Pro)
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Tavek - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:02:30 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hell, half the buttons on the computer in TOS were straight up gummies.
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:37:45 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Jonathan Frakes Just Revealed A Big 'Star Trek: Discovery' Spoiler

>According to Frakes, Star Trek: Discovery will pay a visit to Star Trek’s mirror universe.

http://archive.is/QK9Gg

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/09/17/jonathan-frakes-star-trek-discovery-mirror-universe/
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:38:46 EST ID:b+N+/SRJ No.60966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60965

>spoiler tag rendered useless by URL. sorry. nb.
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Tavek - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:50:31 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60965
Is the twist going to be the Mirror universe of STD is the proper Prime universe?
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Montgomery Scott - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:19:00 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60965
dammit riker get off the fucking holodeck
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Administrator V'Las - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:10:13 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.60969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>60967
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Tokath - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:49:02 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.60981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>STAR TREK: DISCOVERY - JASON ISAACS EXPLAINS HIS 'WARTIME' CAPTAIN

>“War being the most heightened, high-stakes situation we’ve ever come across, the question is often asked, what do you do with your enemy?” says Isaacs. “How much can you empathize with your enemy? How much do you need to kill them, because they’re trying to kill you? Lorca’s relatively simple on that front. He’s a very good wartime leader. You can’t spend too much time… you have to dehumanize them, or else you’ll let them kill you.”

>“The Federation mandate, as we discover in The Original Series, is much more peaceful, and they might have been steamrolled,” he says. “But luckily, this is pre-them. I’m in charge, and I take no prisoners.

http://archive.is/T1Kw6

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/19/star-trek-discovery-jason-isaacs-explains-his-wartime-captain
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Brathaw - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:56:23 EST ID:UozmKrUL No.60985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60981
That haircut is maximum Star Trek. Like, damn.
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Lt. Darien Wallace - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:57:00 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60981
this is gonna be... interesting

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited for this weekend. I'm just kinda anxious to see how this plays out.
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Tiron - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:17:18 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.60987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60981
Again, this show assumes Star Trek fans never watched past... season 2 TNG.
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Ardon Broht - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:17:26 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.60988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60981
If only we saw wartime and military conflict both pre and post TOS so we would know. Oh, wait, we already did and its not like there is a ton of time between DIS and TOS.
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Ambassador Thoris - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:11:07 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.60991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally every point these people make only makes sense if you haven't actually watched Trek, but only heard about.
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Kimara Cretak - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:00:40 EST ID:8l5zTy4P No.60992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60991

> if you haven't actually watched Trek, but only heard about.

I think this is the demographic they are going for, which is pants-on-head-pakled because normies are not going to shell out an extra $10 a month for a show.

I heard that the streaming service will have normal commercial breaks too.
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Lore - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:28:28 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.60997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>4 days
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Grand Nagus Smeet - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:14:06 EST ID:MUbRGuYm No.61002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Is this actually fucking real?
Last I heard Sisko was the lead in a Star Trek series TWENTY YEARS AGO
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Guinan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:33:29 EST ID:in2ASXw/ No.61003 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61002
Wow guys I've been incommunicado for a while since there's not much internet service here in the Delphi expanse.. but goddamn, does anyone possibly think this could be even a little bit good when the fucking LEAD shows that she has clearly not even read the wikipedia page for star trek?

I mean for fucks sake the chances of this not sucking super space dick are about 1 in twenty seven billion

This show is going to make nuTrak look intellectual
This show is going to make people pine for the good ol' days of the animated series
This show will make Babylon 5 actually become star trek

I don't honestly know if I want to even want to watch the pilot FOR FREE; Fuck, I'm not even sure I want to PIRATE it because it seems like it would be a waste of my time
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Weyoun 8 - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:34:52 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61002
No it's not real.

It's a photoshop, they removed the word "female".
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Guinan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:35:49 EST ID:in2ASXw/ No.61006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61005
>implying that's not equally retarded because Janeway
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Lt. Cmdr. Argyle - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:03:43 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.61008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61002
Again, in their world, Star Trek ended at Season 2 of TNG.
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Weyoun 8 - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:42:56 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61006
Janeway wasn't a black female. They didn't replace "female" with black, they just removed the word.

She's technically correct. Now the whole "the sky is suddenly the limit" is the dumb bit however at least she's not spouting factually incorrect shit.

Though I know you might argue the first black female lead was really the bartender in TNG.
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Commander Sela - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 18:43:37 EST ID:8l5zTy4P No.61012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61005

It's not a shop. No reason to lie.

http://archive.is/p8w9k
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Former Gul Rusot - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 18:53:51 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61012
Hahaha holy shit this fucking retard pile of a TV show
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Lt. Chu'lak - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:36:06 EST ID:iP0kMRIv No.61014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61013
To be fair that's probably the journalists being stupid.
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Lt. Talas - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:44:06 EST ID:VWTCMIFM No.61015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61011
What distinguishes a lead role from a non lead role?

I would assume that if the term lead only applies to one character, the leads have always been the captains, no? If that's not the case and "lead" is a broader term that applies to other characters as well then Uhura is the first black female lead.

And if lead really does just mean the main character, who is this bitch and why is she the lead instead of the captain?
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Dr. Reyga - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:12:04 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61015
They're basically equating her to the Captain role in regular Trek, with the idea being that she's the pivotal character in the same way. A sort of "not your daddy's Trek" new idea. But Trek has always been kind of an ensemble show, especially since the TOS movies. It's like saying Game of Thrones has a main character. There are some that are more important according to in-universe logic, and some get more development than others, but can you really say John Snow is THE lead as opposed to any other regular?

Some time ago someone posted a theory about the Trek license working in such a way that this show can't really be Trek, because making something a lot like Trek is stipulated in the contract somewhere as off-limits. Or something like that. I find it hard to look at Discovery and not see that.
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Kono - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:47:40 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61014
Nope, that's SMG's words:

>My casting says that the sky is the limit for all of us. I think what we’re seeing now in our media is this push to diminish and to devalue and to make people feel that the sky is not the limit for them, that they are meant for the ground,” says Martin-Green, a force of energy so bubbly and exuberant, its hard to imagine she was chosen to play a human raised as a Vulcan. Not only chosen, but actively waited on; production halted until her Walking Dead contract ran out.

>So having me as the first black lead of a Star Trek, just blasts that into a million pieces. I am eternally grateful that the diverse casting of our show means that we are now a part of the conversation and hopefully a part of making the world a better place, as cliché as this sounds. Because I really believe it and think its vital for us all right now,” she says the spectre of Trump lurking unspoken.
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Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 02:12:49 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.61028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>61026

>wat
>bout
>sis
>ko
>nig
>ga??!?!
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Dr. Reyga - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 04:34:20 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61026
The fuck kind of interview is this? First this weird assumption that people playing characters with no or subdued emotions should be flat in affect themselves. On the contrary, they need a lot of emotional range, because they need to do all their acting in the same general way while still communicating that they're slighlty annoyed, slightly scared, or whatever. Leonard Nimoy, Tim Russ, and Brent Spiner are all expressive people, especially Brent Spiner. Whenever you get an actor with poor range in one of these roles, they spend their part staring into space trying not to twitch a facial muscle. They look like badly animated video game characters.

And then there's them being telepathic with that tired Trump implication. It's not quite putting words in her mouth, but that's only because they're putting them in her mind.
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Lt. Talas - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:40:02 EST ID:VWTCMIFM No.61033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61026
Man, she really hasn't watched any of the previous shows. Damn, that sucks. Hopefully she gets good direction.
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Guinan - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:02:03 EST ID:8l5zTy4P No.61034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61026

>we are now a part of the conversation

Hubris. She seems to imply here that she has single-handedly freed a people. What a joke.
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Odo - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:36:26 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Inside 'Star Trek Discovery': The Franchise's Answer to the Trump Era

>Handed the reigns, they started to envision a slightly darker version of the usual Trek stories. There's a simple reason for that: Donald Trump.

>the show's antagonists are an ultra-religious and violent Klingon faction whose rallying cry – "Remain Klingon" – is intentionally reminiscent of "Make America Great Again."

>If later versions of Star Trek take place in a perfect future, Discovery is about the fight to build it.

>"I think [viewers] instantly just think prestige drama – it's dystopian, dark, antihero, grim, no hope at all," Harberts says. "It couldn't be further from the truth. This show is hopeful. The characters are always putting their best foot forward. To me, I just think we've had enough of the dystopian, dark science fiction."

http://archive.is/EUpbs

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/features/inside-star-trek-discovery-the-franchises-answer-to-the-trump-era-w504563
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Odo - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:44:33 EST ID:0JMozmZI No.61036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>'Star Trek: Discovery' intentionally made its Klingon rallying cry similar to Trump's 'Make America Great Again'

>"It's a call to isolationism," Haberts said of the slogan. "It's about racial purity, and it's about wanting to take care of yourself. And if anybody is reaching a hand out to help you, it's about smacking it away.

"That was pretty provocative for us," he continued. "And it wasn't necessarily something that we wanted to completely lean into. But it was happening.

>We were hearing the stories."

http://archive.is/7491M

http://www.businessinsider.com/star-trek-discovery-klingon-slogan-similar-to-trump-maga-2017-9
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Miles O'Brien - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:00:47 EST ID:KN9lUNxQ No.61037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61035
>MUH DURMPF
jesus fucking christ what a joke
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Janice Rand - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:27:14 EST ID:Z9q7T93l No.61038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61035
Didn't CBS JUST put out a press thingy saying that the Klingons weren't Trump? Also, when the fuck were Klingons Xenophobes? They are conquers and imperialists, but they never seemed to have a problem with other races because they were other races.
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Youngblood - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:08:56 EST ID:np0QR6vD No.61039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>61038
maybe it's like in choro cross where every human is like part evil space alien but instead in discotrash every human is actually a trump clone and the final boss will involve harry mudd, zombie spock, and jonathon frakes himself playing match that color against troi encased in crystal

fuck wha tI'm really trying to say is that I wouldn't be surprised if like every major character in Prime timeline were to die in a mansion set on fire in this show there fuck
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Kono - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:38:53 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.61040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61035
Crazy how the whole show was pitched, greenlit, written, shot, and finished in under 9 months.

I guess that is why nothing makes sense and everything looks bad. Apparently they didn't even come up with the idea for disco until Trump won last November.

It just kind of feels like they are setting it up so they can blame their failure on Trumpeters. I wonder what the show would have been like had it aired before the election took place or if Trump didn't get elected. I'd wager most of it was written and then they just tried to tie everything in to Trump later on. I'm sure it still would be rife with SJW propaganda but not to the extent they are pushing now.

>later versions of Star Trek take place in a perfect future

Oh, for fucks sake.

>I think [viewers] instantly just think prestige drama it's dystopian, dark, antihero, grim, no hope at all,

Hmm, I wonder why people think that. Could it be because we've got a war with a grimdark "Klingon" house, a captain with a torture chamber, the characters and sets look like every other dystopian sci-fi show with a bit of trek fan service thrown in, and every still has been dark as fuck so far? They've just described their own show and then said its not that because their crew has the moral high ground with their "progressive" ideology.

>>61038

They said they were, then when they got backlash said they weren't, and now they are saying they are again.

>>61039

Maybe the crew will go back in time to take down the statues from the Eugenics war, Daniels comes in from the 31st century, they all get relieved of duty, and then Season two gets retitled Star Trek: Federation and picks up where the shelved series planned to.
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Guinan - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:53:01 EST ID:/Y/Qq+Zc No.61041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My god it just keeps getting worse and worse, please make it stop
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Dr. Reyga - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 19:55:13 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61035
>>61036
There's no better way to date a piece of media than by making naked political commentary.
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DaiMon Solok - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:44:28 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>2 DAYS
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Senator Tal'aura - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:47:29 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>61046
My body is not ready


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