Leave these fields empty (spam trap):
Name
You can leave this blank to post anonymously, or you can create a Tripcode by using the float Name#Password
Comment
[*]Italic Text[/*]
[**]Bold Text[/**]
[~]Taimapedia Article[/~]
[%]Spoiler Text[/%]
>Highlight/Quote Text
[pre]Preformatted & Monospace text[/pre]
1. Numbered lists become ordered lists
* Bulleted lists become unordered lists
File

Sandwich


Community Updates

420chan now supports HTTPS! If you find any issues, you may report them in this thread

Now Playing on /1701/tube -

Black Mirror: USS Callister by Subcommander N'Vek - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:22:48 EST ID:XNUBY2uv No.60737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
File: 1503760968857.jpg -(54379B / 53.10KB, 696x464) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 54379
https://youtu.be/oH85obU350E?t=23s
>>
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:27:19 EST ID:6ChEXyE9 No.60738 Report Quick Reply
Bro that looks like it'll be dank.
>>
Turanj - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:11:51 EST ID:56tHyYuM No.60742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60737
Yeah I'm pumped for this
I love Black Mirror and I love Trek what could go wrong?
Nah but I've never seen an episode of Black Mirror I didn't enjoy, some of them were kinda dumb but they were all executed and acted well
>>
Weyoun 8 - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:50:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't see this going wrong honestly.

I'm being sincere. This should be awesome.
>>
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 23:53:09 EST ID:TJt/VdSR No.60822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It could be a pretty good episode if it's executed well. Black Mirror is a cool anthology series and Charlie Brooker has a good mind for taking sci-fi elements and incorporating it into a possible future that we may one day experience.
>>
Minuet - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 20:30:57 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.60861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1505003457963.png -(1367090B / 1.30MB, 1656x868) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
So this is gonna be 'Star Trek is a hellscape' twist shit isn't it? Pretty boring.
>>
Kimara Cretak - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 22:54:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60861
what else would you expect
>>
Guinan - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 06:36:45 EST ID:uK9kDBqA No.60866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60863
>Callister
Space Mormons.
>all the non-whites have robot parts in their heads and the women have buckles to their dresses so they can drop off in a single unfastening
Space Eugenics and Patriarchy.
>>
K'Ehleyr - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 06:38:59 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60861
I think there's only a couple of twists you can make without outright jumping outside the star trek premise.

Things go wrong and episodes of star trek frequently explore the aftermath. The ship where everyone DID die of space drunk. The one where the crew were wiped out and only a kid was saved by Data etc. Star Trek isn't a hellscape but starfleet frequently works on the bleeding edge, as has been said elsewhere, humans are Doc Brown in star trek. Humans advance rapidly and come up with ideas that take other cultures centuries and we do it in decades I wouldn't be surprised if the other races helpingreduced our catastrophic failure rate massively and our progress rate slightly. Anyway the point is that you've got billions and billions of people, probably tens of billions just from humanity (I imagine all those colonies are new and fresh and so don't suffer first world malaise so while earth probably stopped at 10 billion there's dozens maybe hundreds of worlds with thousands or millions of people on by TNG) and then you have all the other hundreds of races so when a few thousand die in mad science that's nothing. But still a few thousand are going to die to mad science every year and that's a lot of space horror in absolute terms.

Callister could just be a standard Oberth class tbh.
>>
Private S Money - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 20:47:25 EST ID:6IvnJUCS No.61180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1506473245472.jpg -(609735B / 595.44KB, 2000x1333) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
I mean, speaking as someone from the outside of the left looking in, the big hot thing for the left seems to be shitting all over classic Star Trek for not being progressive enough. So we have a lot to work with here.

The white guy's in the chair, the two white guys seem to have inquisitive looks to indicate intelligence, the minorities are all either strapped with electronics in their heads, or they're looking simple-minded, and the white woman has big dark circles in her eyes like exhaustion or stressful abuse. The skirts are all buckles and midriff, like it's a removable piece, and the captain has his shirt open, and the angle draws your eyes to his crotch. The slick back blonde hair, self-haters LOVE the blonde hair = nazi shit, and brits are a natural mix of blonde and brown hairs so they had to choose for this.

And with the glowing woman in the trailer, it's like she's evolving to some wrathful goddess to kill all the cishet white males. The Callister shit too, head of the current Mormon Church? Unless Callister is going to be some important past figure, the allusions are all pointing to EBIL QWISTIAN NAWZIS MUST BE STAHPED

Here's how I think it goes
>Space Mormons who use technology to turn aliens and other races into people like them
>also they're 50s stereotypes so they beat women and fuck constantly while being abusive and the lessers have to watch
>the woman gets SCIENCED in some radiant queen
>kills the cis scum, liberates the multicultural diversity
>turns out this is what Mormon ascension to star gods is and they have babies on Koleb or whatever
>Charlie Brooker masturbates to Blacked.com on camera for the last five minutes and mutters 'take this Donald Drumpf' and hums Alev Ienz' 'Fall Into Me' off-key over the porn sounds
>>
Cyrano Jones - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 02:13:24 EST ID:og45igCb No.61183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61180
This post literally gave me cancer
>>
Harry Mudd - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 02:33:58 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61180
this post gave me interspatial parasites
>>
Phlox - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:00:34 EST ID:ldkreS1C No.61189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1506524434976.png -(676128B / 660.28KB, 956x717) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>61180
dont talk to me or my captain ever again
>>
Seska - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:17:37 EST ID:2KENVbRe No.61194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61180
>someone actually typed all of this out

go outside please
>>
Subcommander Velal - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:20:51 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
tbh, the only way I wanna see this is this:

Showing us the darkside of Star Trek: space bugs, space viruses, war, rape and other dark pessimism views on Trek sociology, esp. with Earth.
>>
Senator Tal'aura - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:07:43 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61197
I doubt they'll go into Earth stuff. I mean they could but it would be so much easier to do space horror

But there's a lot of stuff to work with when it comes to horror space aliens. Which I am very happy to see. Space horror isn't done enough.

Also, the blonde dude is a really good actor imo. I really liked him in the stuff I"ve seen him in.
>>
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:44:18 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.61226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61213

dude is he todd from breaking bad?
>>
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:50:01 EST ID:3Lf2aWvC No.61227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61226
Yes that is Jesse Plemons.
>>
Guinan - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:59:22 EST ID:fQoAcSu4 No.61229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sure it will be better than STD
>>
Elim Garak - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 05:23:36 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61197
It's black mirror so it will be a commentary on western society/humanity in some fashion though because that's the point of the show. Every episode feels like a warning of what we could become.
>>
Lon Suder - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 06:54:49 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61255
The point of black mirror is to comment on social media, not Western society. Every episodes revolves around some dark application of information technology.
>>
Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:58:19 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61256
eh, not really social media, just media as a whole. but there are a few that deal with other stuff, like the one where the woman wakes up in a strange place with no memory and people follow her around all day and watch her suffer.
>>
Elim Garak - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 10:32:53 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61257
Yeah that one is one of my favourates. It's fucked up on a lot of levels and I'd say it goes beyond media in all but the broadest sense. The premise is one of how petty and cruel we can be if we can justify it. Killing "roaches" was a metaphor for dehumanising the enemy as much as the dangers of augmented reality and so on.

It absolutely is not just social media. If you think that you're looking at it through a very narrow lense and missing a lot of what this show is about.
>>
Lon Suder - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 11:00:48 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61257
Depends on what you call social media. That's White Bear, and it's definitely a commentary on the culture of voyeurism. The image of people pointing their camera-phones at someone in distress is definitely iconic for the age of social media, and the strength of the episode is that you can't even make a prediction based on it. The episode is designed to make you view them as zombies, and then they sort of are. Except the chose to be zombies.

I mean, it's not all Facebook this and Twatter that, but it's all very clear commentary about the influence of Information Technology and the interconnectivity of it on life. Blown out of proportion to make its point, of course. Maybe not all of them are about social media, but most are. However, I think saying it's only about Western society is too broad. It's about Western society because it's a Western product with a Western audience, but commenting on Western society as a whole is not its end goal. It's more focused than that.

>>61259
Yeah, thanks for that value judgement, Garak. I understand this show perfectly well.
>>
Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:28:30 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61260
I think to say that it's about Western social issues, values, and social media pretty much sums it up.
>>
Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:32:46 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61260
oh also, dp sorry

White Bear's B story was the zombie voyeur thing but the A story was about people judging and condemning people, and reveling in the pain of people being punished.

The episode with the bees was kinda the exact same format. People on social media voted to condemn people they didn't like to death. A story about condemning people and B story about social media. Social issues and social media. But a surprising number of them are about punishment and justice when you think about it. For example, the Christmas episode with John Hamm also had similar themes, just replace the social media aspect with futuristic tech.
>>
Erika Benteen - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 20:33:38 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61260
>I understand the show perfectly well
>the point of black mirror is to comment on social media
Well you didn't express it well at all. Then you got angry when I disagreed with the content of your post. Though I say disagree because I am fairly sure it was just wrong. I know art is subjective but that doesn't mean that there's not a concrete message in a lot of it before we add our own interpretation to it.

You're right that it's not necessarily western though. I mean I suspect that is what the writers know and are thinking of when they write it but it probably covers non western society and the human condition on a much broader scope. And by probably I mean "as far as I know" and I'm casting doubts on my scope of judgment there, not yours.
>>
Private W Woods - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 12:06:17 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61264
Yeah, good point. Guilt and punishment is definitely a red thread through most of these stories.

>>61272
I was dismissive of your commentary, not angry with it. I was dismissive because you did not motivate your claim that I'm wrong with anything. You are simply telling me I am wrong for the sake of it. That is not discussion. If you have a different opinion about the show, that could be the wellspring of a discussion that makes both of us understand it better. So what do you say that we forget about this and move on? I would prefer for this board to remain comfy.

I think the show is, by necessity, Western in scope because it's from the West, and information technology is more advanced in the West. However, there are also episodes that fall outside that mould, such as Men Against Fire, which describes a situation we like to think is quite alien to the West. But an episode like Piggy is Western to a T. I do wonder if we'll see episodes that consciously take place outside of Western society. Information technology is having quite the interesting impact worldwide, after all.
>>
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:29:24 EST ID:DZdnp23O No.63256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bump since it comes out tomorrow.
>>
Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Fri, 29 Dec 2017 06:00:40 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still working on the comics dump but in the meantime here is Callister in 720p: mega.nz/#F!thZF0L5T!e5xkTemc0VemiOCBCG989g
>>
Benjamin Sisko - Fri, 29 Dec 2017 06:25:26 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.63261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1514546726714.gif -(2417481B / 2.31MB, 320x213) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
Its fucking great, the star trek episode was done so well as to mimick trek without being a ripoff in anyway. still watching the rest of the season but its been great so far
>>
Major J Hayes - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 00:40:16 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Alright, I just finished it. I have to say it was absolutely nothing like what I was expecting but everything I should have expected knowing Black Mirror. I had really hoped it would be set in the far future and be a solid episode of space-y shit. That said I did enjoy it. It really reminded me of Barclay if he had been a little bit worse than he was in the beginning. I could definitely see him doing something similar if he had fallen off of the deep end

Overall a 6-7 out of 10 for Black Mirror and a solid 5-5.5 out of 10 on the Trek-like scale. Still better than Discovery.
>>
Krax - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:41:01 EST ID:r55t3Nad No.63274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did you know that DNA stores all your memories?

The Star Trek theming seemed superfluous. Why choose that as the theme if you're not going to play with the ideas? Just because it scans quickly as creepy nerd?

I like the very end. It's a mid-tier episode for Black Mirror. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. As far as the Trek theme goes, you could have plugged in Harry Potter or Tolkien and it would have been virtually the same thing. Felt like a bit of a missed opportunity.
>>
Dr. Crell Moset - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:12:37 EST ID:kn/oBYlc No.63277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1514682757527.jpg -(138414B / 135.17KB, 640x360) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>63274
If they used a Harry Potter or Tolkien, they would have had to come up with a conclusion that had a Harry Potter or Tolkien feel.
A lot of the episode's charm was the way the crew was a more startrek-like dealing with the Daily than the cringe-worthy stories Daily had set up.
>>
Enabran Tain - Sun, 31 Dec 2017 15:45:01 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.63278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63277

This, the who final act of the episode Was very star trek, with the assorted crewmembers pooling their intelligence, skillsets, and available but limited technological resources (contrived as the existence of those resources might have been) to overcome the obstacle, a being with seemingly infinite power. It's like any other episode where the crew kills God by diverting power into the deflector dish to deliver a modulated anti-thieion pulse or whatever. And the ending where McPoyle crawls into the exhaust shaft totally gave me Spock in the Reactor Chamber feels. The episode associates the familiar visual elements of star trek with the antagonistic element but the protagonists retain the philosophical core of what a Starfleet crew is all about.

>>63274
The DNA thing is a plot contrivance, but it works with the star trek theme. They've used this kind of contrivance in Deep Space Nine: "Whispers" and Voyager: "Course: Oblivion", and probably a few other episodes that I'm forgetting
The captain character played by Plemons works well because he reminds us that just because people are fans of high idealism doesn't mean they live up to those ideals personally. People have mad cognitive dissonance yo. I don't know about you guys, but I grew up in the southern US and I have meet a disconcerting amount of diehard TOS fans that were conservative Republican, socialism hating Christians who probably ended up voting Trump. It never made sense to me, but damnit they're out there. Pulse there's the whole thing about how a disturbingly high amount of pedophiles turn out to be trekkers...

>>63269
Haha, I didn't even think about Barclay but you're right, that's fucking perfect.
>>
Brok'tan - Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:33:20 EST ID:CoMxFjhg No.63279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/29/16804664/black-mirror-uss-callister-recap-season-4-review
>“USS Callister” is maybe the most hopeful Black Mirror episode this side of “San Junipero.” The premise: Everybody will be happier after white men die.

>The white men who are good will bravely sacrifice ourselves so that the people of color and women might live. The white men who are terrible will have our minds wiped by our rage and desire to possess those we feel have slighted us. (Okay, I guess the handsome, lunkhead jock gets to survive. A victory for white mankind!)

Jon VanDerWerff’s strong insistence that he’s a fellow white man is suspicious.
>>
Boq'ta - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 00:27:36 EST ID:SJat9uNV No.63286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63279

But rest in comfort knowing that that dude blackmailing you with noodz over the internet is just a copy of yourself who wants her vagina back.
>>
Commander Tebok - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 22:09:51 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63278
>Haha, I didn't even think about Barclay but you're right, that's fucking perfect.

I'm surprised that I am the only person that mentioned it. As soon as I saw what was going on that is where my mind immediately went because it was exactly something I could see him doing early on especially without holosuites being a thing.
>>
Captain Goroth - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 13:53:38 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63309 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63269
It's like if Barclay's holo-addiction had progressed as far as it could and he had plenty of time to study and manipulate the ship's systems.
>>
Ardon Broht - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 01:34:43 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63309
Yeah, he was pretty close already in TNG and I think if gone unnoticed it might have progressed that far though he would have been smart enough to do a memory wipe. He would have left their base emotions and what makes them them but wouldn't have let them know they were what they were.

If we put him back a hundred years or more to where Callister takes place I could easily see him doing the very same thing though probably a bit more intelligently and he certainly wouldn't have made them without any sex organs. I'm unsure if he would have had the balls to take advantage of it though at least not for a while.

While it would certainly be a cop out and piss me off I could also see the final moments of the Orville having Seth taking off a VR headset a la the last episode of ENT because honestly, which of us wouldn't jump at the opportunity to be captain, or even a crewmen, in a Trek series even through VR. I mean those guys who created the full Enterprise with Unreal engine aren't too far off though without the Black Mirror twist and I have to admit that given that chance I would definitely be trying to get with a few of those Trek hotties. It would be a long time before I had to import new characters though lol. After all, what happens in the holosuite stays in the hollowsuite.
>>
Guinan - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 15:09:08 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60737
I finally watched this.. It was pretty decent. HOWEVER..

..i will admit that there is a sort of genetic memory in one's epigenome, but it doesn't remember passwords or the existence of lewds/noods, it remembers at best archetypal themes and dietary preferences through hormonal triggers. This was immersion breaking for me since the whole premise is that they retain their personalities. Secondly, how did he achieve this feat of making sentient AI in the first place? Hand waving that away because he's a genius I guess.. and thirdly, how fucking dangerous is this videogame if there isn't some sort of secondary or tertiary failsafe to break you out of your paralysis? That's a class action lawsuit waiting to happen
>>
KC Hunter - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 23:18:32 EST ID:zs0q/fzD No.63382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63380

The weirdest thing about the DNA thing was that it wasn't even needed. They could have accomplished the same thing just by saying their profiles had been copied while they were playing an alpha in the office. Have him skim their profiles onto thumbdrives, and have that act as the mcguffin she had to destroy in the real world. It's not that big of a deal, but it just boggles the mind why they wrote it that way.

There was something really unsatisfying about the whole real world side of the episode too. First, they're using internet blackmail as a major plot device for maybe the 4th time in a show that only has twenty-something episodes. Second, it just would have been much sweeter revenge if she'd known why she was screwing him over in the real world.
>>
Iliana Ghemor - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 10:40:41 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.63423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63382
I was wondering, I've only caught a bit here and there on cytube, but is like, every episode of this show about Christmas and getting caught at lewd shit online?
>>
Ardon Broht - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:11:57 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63423
Not really. They mostly all have the common thread of exploring sci fi and tech concepts while also making a statement about society and social stuff.
Most of them are really good. A lot of them are really strange. It's pretty similar to The Twilight Zone.
>>
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:20:54 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.63431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63382
The DNA thing was necessary because it made actual exact copies of the people, literally taking their real genetic coding that makes them who they are and turned into digital consciousnesses. That would not happen without genes.

I do agree with you about the IRL version of her not knowing why she was doing what she was doing though.
>>
Greer - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:06:05 EST ID:TWSDe718 No.63477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1516381565519.jpg -(45901B / 44.83KB, 800x441) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>63380
I too had a problem with this.

This is what we decided: it was explained in a deleted scene

Here are some ways you could explain it

<spoiler> 1. they all play infinity, so it is gathering personality information then
2. their personalities and knowledge are based on one basic framework, for example, his own, and then huge chunks of information and memory are swapped out using freely available information from social media, creating a sense of their being many distinct individuals, especially when added to the genetic differences that can affect temperament
3. the wizard did it
</spoiler>
>>
Greer - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:08:16 EST ID:TWSDe718 No.63478 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63477
wupps
>>
Kes - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 04:32:33 EST ID:cSF51Ane No.63592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like I'm late to the party. This was the softest scifi episode of BM so far. Using DNA to create perfect copies is a weird choice when it was established previously that an implant had to be inserted for weeks to do that. Then there's the question of why he didn't just design copies of them with personalities to fit their roles.

And this is another ending where wildly irresponsible tech design choices led to a real person being killed. All the funding for ethics committees in these universes must have gone to R&D.
>>
Weyoun 8 - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:11:25 EST ID:kYb6aaGt No.63594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63592
>previously established
No. Nonononnonnoo.
>killed a guy
This is ambiguous. He might have been found and resuscitated.
>>
Michael Rostov - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:57:36 EST ID:XFr8qSiV No.63597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63594
>This is ambiguous. He might have been found and resuscitated.
Given that it wasn't signposted and the plots of BM are never convoluted in that particular "implications" fashion, that would completely negate the protagonists "victory" of the episode. Unless they do revisit that narrative thread in another episode, something that's wildly out of character for the show itself, and show otherwise, in the context of the episode he is dead.

In your headcanon you can do whatever you want.
>>
Montgomery Scott - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 05:07:37 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.63601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63380
Yeah I couldn't get over the whole lack of a sailsafe thing. I know that's not anywhere near the point of the episode but it still bugged the crap out of me.
>>
Sarah Sisko - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 16:04:23 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63597
Nah. The victory is that they escape his dev kit, all get their pussies back and destroy his cache of DNA
What happens to him after that isn't important to them or the story, which is why they were free to leave him to an open ended indeterminate fate.
>>
Minister Kuvak - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 16:35:59 EST ID:XFr8qSiV No.63682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63680
If he survives there's nothing to stop him from collecting more DNA or deleting them from the wider game program.
>>
Zefram Cochrane - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:28:43 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.63686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63682
I don't think he actually has that kind of access to the live systems. In a world of big AI simulation I don't think anyone gets to just manipulate data anymore. Certainly not from within the organizational structure of the company.
But sure, he could go back to stealing dna and running his custom whatever. Maybe he's retarded now or Hector "dingding" Salamanca'd, maybe his memories of the whole thing got wiped.

But the whole "the game killed you" thing was lame enough in Playtest, and if we're at the point where we're running some epic space mmo on similar technology, and it's still killing people, that strains belief.
>>
Katogh - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 08:55:54 EST ID:XFr8qSiV No.63692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63686
>running some epic space mmo
He wasn't though. He was running his own dev build that he made for himself with all sorts of alterations that wouldn't be in the actual game.
>Certainly not from within the organizational structure of the company.
He was the boss of the company, if he stood up to McPoyle then there's not much anyone could do about it.

If him dying in the game didn't imply he died irl (or at least his consciousness dying in-game, leaving a vegetable in meatspace) then there's no reason for that scene of it happening.
>>
Subcommander N'Vek - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 18:28:06 EST ID:cVeP57wQ No.63730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63692
Well the fanfic series option is that he goes all dingding and gets obsessed with destroying them like some poorly written evil Stephen Hawking. And there are endless, probably better, variations of this that Star Trek: Voyager writers would totally run with.

I'm kinda happy it's just the director and neither of the writers who wanted to spinoff USS Callister. There are so many terrible things that could happen and I need none of them to happen. And Charlie Brooker doesn't have time for a series, so they'll probably happen.
>>
Subcommander N'Vek - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 18:30:14 EST ID:cVeP57wQ No.63731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1518219014050.png -(911529B / 890.17KB, 795x719) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>63730
>dingding
Yep. Forgot the image that makes that sentence make sense.
>>
Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 00:57:52 EST ID:u87FzXb6 No.63763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63592
>Using DNA to create perfect copies is a weird choice when it was established previously that an implant had to be inserted for weeks to do that.

Obviously everybody already has cookies. The DNA was for the digital equivalent of a 3D printer to make their digital bodies. The memories he stole or recompiled somehow.
The DNA was specifically mentioned because it's the only new information.
>>
Malcolm Reed - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 09:07:13 EST ID:mw1AnnTr No.64047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63763
The DNA contained a memory pattern too.

The new girl had a complete personality when she booted up. CTO didn't do any programming to the game during the duplication time period.
>>
Lysia Arlin - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:57:21 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64049 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63692
He didn't die in the game. He probably couldn't because that would be poor product design.

He died IRL because he couldn't log out the company was off for a few weeks over xmas, so nobody would be looking for him while he slowly dehydrated to death.


>>64047
Yeah, he didn't have to do anything, he just hits a button and it processes for a bunch of hours and the output is a virtual persona.
What I'm saying is, the DNA is probably just used to synthesise a perfectly realistic digital clone body, while the personality is compiled from digital sources, which is so obvious (in-universe, not to us) that they glossed over it, because everybody has cookies so of course you can compile a person from their social media presence, because it's a far more data-rich form of social media because everyone has cookies. They didn't touch on this at all in this episode, but it's a reasonable conclusion based on the rest of the show given that they've now established that these stories are potentially interconnected points on a single future timeline.

This is my headcanon because saying you can get memories from DNA sounds dumb.
>>
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 15:34:58 EST ID:XFr8qSiV No.64054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64049
>He died IRL because he couldn't log out the company was off for a few weeks over xmas, so nobody would be looking for him while he slowly dehydrated to death.
That's a good answer that ties it up nicely.

>the DNA is probably just used to synthesise a perfectly realistic digital clone body
Why? He doesn't need them to have a perfectly realistic digital clone body.
>This is my headcanon because saying you can get memories from DNA sounds dumb.
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-observed-epigenetic-memories-passed-down-for-14-generations
https://www.sciencealert.com/memories-can-be-inherited-and-scientists-might-have-just-figured-out-how
>>
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 20:25:13 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64054
I know all about epigentics. They're "genetic memories" the sense that they reflect short-term environmental factors etc which have a response (ie enabling or disabling particular protein codings) that is passed down, when previously nobody knew DNA could have a "memory" of something so immediate. They're not literal human memories.

For example, if a father is obese at the time of impregnation, the offspring will have a different insulin response than another offspring from the same father after he loses weight.

There's no known mechanism for memes to make their way from your brain into your DNA encoding. And since there'd be a huge selective pressure to take advantage of this if it existed (say, passing on survival memes like how to hunt or which berries to avoid in the environment which your parents habitate, so your offspring would be equipped from birth instead of it taking upwards of a decade to teach them shit in the case of humans), we can probably rule it out.

Though perhaps the stolen DNA adds important simulation data for their active cognition--details about their particular neurotransmitter balance etc--or helps to add biological context to the resimulation/compilation of their memories from whatever source as part of their integration into an authentic, total virtual clone.

>Why? He doesn't need them to have a perfectly realistic digital clone body.
I agree, he could make super lifelike imitations just by compiling security footage from work, photos/videos from their social media, etc. Maybe it wouldn't be a perfect 1:1 biological (and neurological) clone of the person though, like he can get by stealing their jizz and growing a 3D model.

Or maybe he could get a perfect 1:1 imitation by secretly scanning somebody with a microwave sensor or something. Maybe there are numerous technologies available which could achieve the exact same result, but he just prefers the DNA clone approach out of many possible options. Maybe it's the easiest or safest way, or it's his fetish.
>>
Donik - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 20:37:26 EST ID:mw1AnnTr No.64057 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64049
It's not all that dumb. Memory digitization has been done in the past, w/ Star Trek and especially w/ Ghost in the Shell (although when Major's ghost went into cyberspace it was from prior brainwaves).
>>
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 20:44:21 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64057
Dude yeah, but not via DNA from a fart someone left on their office chair. Black Mirror has thoroughly established memory-reading/augmenting "cookie" tech by this episode, so it makes a lot more sense that it'd be digital.
>>
Seven of Nine - Thu, 01 Mar 2018 13:33:28 EST ID:XFr8qSiV No.64066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64056
>Though perhaps the stolen DNA adds important simulation data for their active cognition--details about their particular neurotransmitter balance etc--or helps to add biological context to the resimulation/compilation of their memories from whatever source as part of their integration into an authentic, total virtual clone.
That's a good thought.

>but he just prefers the DNA clone approach out of many possible options
but this doesn't sit well with me because if there were different options, then stealing their DNA back from him really is pointless as he could just recreate them differently. Then again, unless they caused him to die somehow or communicated with their real selves and authorities, there's not much they can do to stop him just stealing their DNA again. It's not as though he went to a lot of trouble for it.
>>
Minuet - Fri, 02 Mar 2018 03:20:21 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64066
They were mainly concerned with getting rid of the lollypop so that he wouldn't be able to bring the kid back, since that bring-your-kid-to-work-day was a one-off thing.

Not that that would necessarily stop him (as all Trek fans know, luring children and extracting their DNA is easy) and really it wouldn't even have mattered if he made a fake clone for his purposes anyway, but it's what the CEO's clone was hung up on.


Report Post
Reason
Note
Please be descriptive with report notes,
this helps staff resolve issues quicker.