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Black Mirror: USS Callister by Subcommander N'Vek - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:22:48 EST ID:XNUBY2uv No.60737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://youtu.be/oH85obU350E?t=23s
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:27:19 EST ID:6ChEXyE9 No.60738 Report Quick Reply
Bro that looks like it'll be dank.
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Turanj - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:11:51 EST ID:56tHyYuM No.60742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60737
Yeah I'm pumped for this
I love Black Mirror and I love Trek what could go wrong?
Nah but I've never seen an episode of Black Mirror I didn't enjoy, some of them were kinda dumb but they were all executed and acted well
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Weyoun 8 - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:50:44 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.60747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't see this going wrong honestly.

I'm being sincere. This should be awesome.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 23:53:09 EST ID:TJt/VdSR No.60822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It could be a pretty good episode if it's executed well. Black Mirror is a cool anthology series and Charlie Brooker has a good mind for taking sci-fi elements and incorporating it into a possible future that we may one day experience.
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Minuet - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 20:30:57 EST ID:GctQzjZV No.60861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So this is gonna be 'Star Trek is a hellscape' twist shit isn't it? Pretty boring.
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Kimara Cretak - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 22:54:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.60863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60861
what else would you expect
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Guinan - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 06:36:45 EST ID:uK9kDBqA No.60866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60863
>Callister
Space Mormons.
>all the non-whites have robot parts in their heads and the women have buckles to their dresses so they can drop off in a single unfastening
Space Eugenics and Patriarchy.
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K'Ehleyr - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 06:38:59 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.60950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>60861
I think there's only a couple of twists you can make without outright jumping outside the star trek premise.

Things go wrong and episodes of star trek frequently explore the aftermath. The ship where everyone DID die of space drunk. The one where the crew were wiped out and only a kid was saved by Data etc. Star Trek isn't a hellscape but starfleet frequently works on the bleeding edge, as has been said elsewhere, humans are Doc Brown in star trek. Humans advance rapidly and come up with ideas that take other cultures centuries and we do it in decades I wouldn't be surprised if the other races helpingreduced our catastrophic failure rate massively and our progress rate slightly. Anyway the point is that you've got billions and billions of people, probably tens of billions just from humanity (I imagine all those colonies are new and fresh and so don't suffer first world malaise so while earth probably stopped at 10 billion there's dozens maybe hundreds of worlds with thousands or millions of people on by TNG) and then you have all the other hundreds of races so when a few thousand die in mad science that's nothing. But still a few thousand are going to die to mad science every year and that's a lot of space horror in absolute terms.

Callister could just be a standard Oberth class tbh.
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Private S Money - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 20:47:25 EST ID:6IvnJUCS No.61180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean, speaking as someone from the outside of the left looking in, the big hot thing for the left seems to be shitting all over classic Star Trek for not being progressive enough. So we have a lot to work with here.

The white guy's in the chair, the two white guys seem to have inquisitive looks to indicate intelligence, the minorities are all either strapped with electronics in their heads, or they're looking simple-minded, and the white woman has big dark circles in her eyes like exhaustion or stressful abuse. The skirts are all buckles and midriff, like it's a removable piece, and the captain has his shirt open, and the angle draws your eyes to his crotch. The slick back blonde hair, self-haters LOVE the blonde hair = nazi shit, and brits are a natural mix of blonde and brown hairs so they had to choose for this.

And with the glowing woman in the trailer, it's like she's evolving to some wrathful goddess to kill all the cishet white males. The Callister shit too, head of the current Mormon Church? Unless Callister is going to be some important past figure, the allusions are all pointing to EBIL QWISTIAN NAWZIS MUST BE STAHPED

Here's how I think it goes
>Space Mormons who use technology to turn aliens and other races into people like them
>also they're 50s stereotypes so they beat women and fuck constantly while being abusive and the lessers have to watch
>the woman gets SCIENCED in some radiant queen
>kills the cis scum, liberates the multicultural diversity
>turns out this is what Mormon ascension to star gods is and they have babies on Koleb or whatever
>Charlie Brooker masturbates to Blacked.com on camera for the last five minutes and mutters 'take this Donald Drumpf' and hums Alev Ienz' 'Fall Into Me' off-key over the porn sounds
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Cyrano Jones - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 02:13:24 EST ID:og45igCb No.61183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61180
This post literally gave me cancer
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Harry Mudd - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 02:33:58 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61180
this post gave me interspatial parasites
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Phlox - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:00:34 EST ID:ldkreS1C No.61189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>61180
dont talk to me or my captain ever again
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Seska - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:17:37 EST ID:2KENVbRe No.61194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61180
>someone actually typed all of this out

go outside please
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Subcommander Velal - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:20:51 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
tbh, the only way I wanna see this is this:

Showing us the darkside of Star Trek: space bugs, space viruses, war, rape and other dark pessimism views on Trek sociology, esp. with Earth.
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Senator Tal'aura - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:07:43 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61197
I doubt they'll go into Earth stuff. I mean they could but it would be so much easier to do space horror

But there's a lot of stuff to work with when it comes to horror space aliens. Which I am very happy to see. Space horror isn't done enough.

Also, the blonde dude is a really good actor imo. I really liked him in the stuff I"ve seen him in.
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Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:44:18 EST ID:p36bEYvO No.61226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61213

dude is he todd from breaking bad?
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:50:01 EST ID:3Lf2aWvC No.61227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61226
Yes that is Jesse Plemons.
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Guinan - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:59:22 EST ID:fQoAcSu4 No.61229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sure it will be better than STD
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Elim Garak - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 05:23:36 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61197
It's black mirror so it will be a commentary on western society/humanity in some fashion though because that's the point of the show. Every episode feels like a warning of what we could become.
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Lon Suder - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 06:54:49 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61255
The point of black mirror is to comment on social media, not Western society. Every episodes revolves around some dark application of information technology.
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Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:58:19 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61256
eh, not really social media, just media as a whole. but there are a few that deal with other stuff, like the one where the woman wakes up in a strange place with no memory and people follow her around all day and watch her suffer.
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Elim Garak - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 10:32:53 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61257
Yeah that one is one of my favourates. It's fucked up on a lot of levels and I'd say it goes beyond media in all but the broadest sense. The premise is one of how petty and cruel we can be if we can justify it. Killing "roaches" was a metaphor for dehumanising the enemy as much as the dangers of augmented reality and so on.

It absolutely is not just social media. If you think that you're looking at it through a very narrow lense and missing a lot of what this show is about.
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Lon Suder - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 11:00:48 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61257
Depends on what you call social media. That's White Bear, and it's definitely a commentary on the culture of voyeurism. The image of people pointing their camera-phones at someone in distress is definitely iconic for the age of social media, and the strength of the episode is that you can't even make a prediction based on it. The episode is designed to make you view them as zombies, and then they sort of are. Except the chose to be zombies.

I mean, it's not all Facebook this and Twatter that, but it's all very clear commentary about the influence of Information Technology and the interconnectivity of it on life. Blown out of proportion to make its point, of course. Maybe not all of them are about social media, but most are. However, I think saying it's only about Western society is too broad. It's about Western society because it's a Western product with a Western audience, but commenting on Western society as a whole is not its end goal. It's more focused than that.

>>61259
Yeah, thanks for that value judgement, Garak. I understand this show perfectly well.
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Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:28:30 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61260
I think to say that it's about Western social issues, values, and social media pretty much sums it up.
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Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:32:46 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.61264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61260
oh also, dp sorry

White Bear's B story was the zombie voyeur thing but the A story was about people judging and condemning people, and reveling in the pain of people being punished.

The episode with the bees was kinda the exact same format. People on social media voted to condemn people they didn't like to death. A story about condemning people and B story about social media. Social issues and social media. But a surprising number of them are about punishment and justice when you think about it. For example, the Christmas episode with John Hamm also had similar themes, just replace the social media aspect with futuristic tech.
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Erika Benteen - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 20:33:38 EST ID:vUVXPY3s No.61272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61260
>I understand the show perfectly well
>the point of black mirror is to comment on social media
Well you didn't express it well at all. Then you got angry when I disagreed with the content of your post. Though I say disagree because I am fairly sure it was just wrong. I know art is subjective but that doesn't mean that there's not a concrete message in a lot of it before we add our own interpretation to it.

You're right that it's not necessarily western though. I mean I suspect that is what the writers know and are thinking of when they write it but it probably covers non western society and the human condition on a much broader scope. And by probably I mean "as far as I know" and I'm casting doubts on my scope of judgment there, not yours.
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Private W Woods - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 12:06:17 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61264
Yeah, good point. Guilt and punishment is definitely a red thread through most of these stories.

>>61272
I was dismissive of your commentary, not angry with it. I was dismissive because you did not motivate your claim that I'm wrong with anything. You are simply telling me I am wrong for the sake of it. That is not discussion. If you have a different opinion about the show, that could be the wellspring of a discussion that makes both of us understand it better. So what do you say that we forget about this and move on? I would prefer for this board to remain comfy.

I think the show is, by necessity, Western in scope because it's from the West, and information technology is more advanced in the West. However, there are also episodes that fall outside that mould, such as Men Against Fire, which describes a situation we like to think is quite alien to the West. But an episode like Piggy is Western to a T. I do wonder if we'll see episodes that consciously take place outside of Western society. Information technology is having quite the interesting impact worldwide, after all.


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