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Star Trek Discovery Discussion IV by Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:35:14 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Number 3 is no longer bumping.

Discovery #3 thread.
Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:37:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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After tonight's episode I think it actually may be making a turn. It just took them way too long to get everything established since they wasted two episodes on the shitty pilot.
Lorca is going more and more rogue by the minute, which keeps stuff interesting.
Also, I gotta believe that Lorca had predicted that the admiral would have been taken prisoner or killed.
I was half expecting him to destroy her shuttlecraft and blame it on the Klingons.
My only gripe is that it was silly for the Vulcans to send their most valuable diplomat, Sarek, out on a shuttle with only 1 guard. Normally you would think that he would have been escorted by a big powerful ship. But that seems to be a recurring theme, as Lorca did the same in the episode before. That's not that big of a complaint though.
Oh, also the cosmic mind meld thing again. I guess I can live with it.
Also, I want to do Tilly in the butt. She got a big ol booty.

Pasted my post from the old thread
Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:04:41 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>DSC Renewed
“In just six episodes, Star Trek: Discovery has driven subscriber growth, critical acclaim and huge global fan interest for the first premium version of this great franchise,” said Marc DeBevoise, President and Chief Operating Officer, CBS Interactive, referring to the fact that Discovery set new CBS All Access records for subscriber sign-ups in a single day, week and month. “This series has a remarkable creative team and cast who have demonstrated their ability to carry on the Star Trek legacy. We are extremely proud of what they’ve accomplished and are thrilled to be bringing fans a second season of this tremendous series.”

I.G. Tarah - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:49:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
well I'll be dipped in shit

I never expected this to go beyond the bare minimum for whatever legal bullshit this was about.
Good on them.
Minister Kuvak - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:13:54 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly, after watching this week's episode, I am willing accept it if I all previous tv and movie canons and that this is a day zero reboot series.

Also, having this line of thinking make sense as you can let go of the TNG aesthetics and the technology timeline.
Christopher Pike - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:32:23 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.61945 Ignore Report Quick Reply

So it's good star trek if you make yourself forget to compare/associate it to the other star treks?

That's still pretty weak brah
Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:21:25 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If CBS just admitted that it's not prime, then it would instantly be like 10x better in my mind.
Ensign Vorik - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:43:59 EST ID:qX5lLyFW No.61948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They can't. They sold the show to Netflix calling it Prime. It'd be a breach of contract if they did.
Minister Kuvak - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:02:59 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61949 Ignore Report Quick Reply

See, if I keep thinking this takes place decades before TOS, then I am gonna be miserable because "it doesn't look right." "all these continuity errors" "the tech is all off" however, if I just think it that "restart the timeline and rebooting it to match our modern day tech" then I am not so miserable watching it.
Amanda Grayson - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:55:06 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm a high retard and tried bumping the old thread last night ctrl+v
Alright this new episode pissed me off
A FUCKING HOLODECK, FUCK YOU NO! How the FUCK did they manage to build a fucking artificial mind meld machine like 30 min?! Did they have one lying around? Why would a FUCKING STARFLEET ADMIRAL show up to a Klingon negotiation with only TWO FUCKING GUARDS WTF did they not even consider if it was a trap, is Lorca the only non-retarded member of Starfleet, although I was totally ready for him to blow up her shuttle and blame it on the Klingons
Michael's dialogue is painfully awful, but I don't hate her as much as I did originally now that we a tiny smidgen of backstory, Lorca is the best part of the episode
Also that last shot was fucking lame, OoohOHohoh A phaser in his belt so dramatic fuck yourself CBS. Also why fortune cookies, that's so fucking dumb, should've made him like whittle stuff with a knife or carve bone or something
Admiral Owen Paris - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:36:48 EST ID:9Ez1cVaJ No.61952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TAS had a rudimentary holodeck in the rec room, brah.

Discovery only has a combat simulation. No fun allowed.
Seskal - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:11:35 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still not feeling it. Also, Martin-Green sounds really American. She's got a pretty noticable accent. And whenever she's in a Vulcan getup, it just pulls me out of the scene. They might as well have put a guy with a huge Russian accent among the Vulcans.

I also thought she'd end up finding Sarek through sensing him, and guiding the pilot to him. But it turns out they were just going to wake him up so he could press a button. What if he was on the other side of the room?
With Vulcans acting like Jolly Kazon-Americans we're also at a low point in the steady decline of Vulcans. And with the Kazons, this nifty suicide technique was the centrepiece of an elaborate plot. Here it's just a really shitty assassination technique. At first I thought Sarek beamed out, but he's still in the same room. If that assassin had just pulled a gun out of his ass, shit would have gone better.
It's also laying its themes on really thickly. I'm finding this to be a very loud, unsubtle show.
Captain Tel-Peh - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:15:09 EST ID:9Ez1cVaJ No.61954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'm finding this to be a very loud, unsubtle show

Yeah that's true. Fans still throw the word "subtle" around over blatant fan service as if that word means anything after they're done with it.
Franklin Drake - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:15:23 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.61955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And it's not even a single decade. The show is in December 2256 right now, 2257 soon, while Where No Man Has Gone Before was 2265. If it gets to season 7, the end of that season would be 2263!
Brok'tan - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:30:54 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But to be fair, an update was needed imo. It's just that they could have still made it more accurate than the way they did.
But if they kept the look and feel of TOS it would have been pretty outdated looking and very bland. I mean that was 50 years ago.
Mot - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:47:42 EST ID:LyAiH5dp No.61965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can you not tripfag here this is like the chillest least cancerous board on the site
We don't need this to become another /tinfoil/ plz
Brok'tan - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:50:02 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61966 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also, most people that post here make an attempt to contribute to the conversation. Not derail.
Seskal - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 06:45:12 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The production staff has made it a point to hype their left wing idealism before the show was aired, but there's not a lot in there. Not in the way you'd expect from Trek, anyway. I think its "commentary" is all really flat. Typical TV shows stuff. Very safe. The most I've gotten out of it thusfar was "extremism is kind of shitty" and "hurting innocent critters is kind of shitty". But boy, does it lay it on there.

Pretty much everyone who complains about SJW shit is blowing things out of proportion. DS9 was already treating heavier issues in the same time span.
Subaltern Lorot - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:12:33 EST ID:MPRGSb/f No.61969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Like a lot of people have mentioned, CBS claiming DIS is in the prime timeline doesn't quite sit right. This show supposedly takes place about 10 years before TOS, but everything seems so different and advanced. It's easy enough to dismiss it as "not my Star Trek" and "Star Trek in name only" and I have to agree, It's not the Star Trek that I grew up with and cherish so much. ENT suffered many of the same problems. Although ENT is not one of my favorites, I have come to respect it for what it is. Maybe...just maybe DIS can still pull itself together and surprise us.

So let us assume, for the moment, they're not making the show only as a cash-grab, marketing-stunt, but have some deeper story they want to tell. They absolutely insist DIS takes place in the prime time line, not the Kelvin, not some reboot time line, but the same time line that will lead to TOS TNG DS9 & VOY. How can we reconcile what they have shown with what we know to be true? Let's look at some of the "inconsistencies".

• The Klingons do not look like Klingons.
They appear correctly in ENT, but we know at least some of them go through a physical change before Kirk's time.

• Phasers go "pew pew" instead of "WheerrrrrRRRRR"
TOS was actually inconsistent with how they portrayed phasers early on. Maybe they are trying to mimic the odd single energy burst like phaser effect.

• Holograms everywhere

• Shuttles having warp drives

I wanted to go into several more examples and such, but it's late. I'm going to bed. What are some creative decisions they may have made to make DIS work correctly? It's not an alternate time line. It's probably not an alternate dimension/reality, but who knows.

So what does that leave? Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development, but on a galactic level? Could this be another ENT finale type situation? Is DIS taking place after VOY in an advanced simulation, but they got their historic details wrong?
Brok'tan - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:45:33 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Is this all a historical fiction holonovel written by Tuvok??
Thot Pran - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:21:17 EST ID:PU+0MICM No.61972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>"hurting innocent critters is kind of shitty".

They literally put crying babies in front of the camera during a bad guy attack. It's storytelling by and for the lowest common denominator.
Jack - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:01:50 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.61973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do you really think 2vac would do something so illogical.
Captain Tel-Peh - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:26:31 EST ID:9Ez1cVaJ No.61974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Pretty much everyone who complains about SJW shit is blowing things out of proportion

Ya think? It's not like that's ever happened before.
Quark - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 16:29:16 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.61978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I like to think of it like this: it's an alternate timeline, with "Star Trek: First Contact" being the divergence point.

TOS, TNG, VOY, and DS9 exist on the Prime-line, whereas ENT, DIS, Trek '09, Into Darkness, and Beyond exist on another as yet unnamed (because I can't think of a good reference for it yet. Maybe the Zefram-line as he was the focal point in First Contact?) timeline. Look at the interior of the USS Kelvin in Trek '09. From the (very brief) looks of it, it does look an awful lot like the ship interiors in DIS doesn't it? And DIS is according to this poster (>>61955) set in 2256, twenty-three years after "The Kelvin Incident", meaning they would have gotten an aesthetic upgrade don't you think? Finally, the interior of the Phoenix in first contact looks a lot like a heavily scaled down version of the ship interiors in ENT, but as I mentioned, ENT looks like DIS but DIS does not look like TOS.

If each series of DIS represents a year passing and it turns out I am correct then mark my words, in Series 2 (possibly 3) we're going to start hearing about the Enterprise's shenanigans and possibly have a cameo or three from Chris Pines himself as James T. Kirk.
Odo - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:43:14 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61980 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Sorry, but someone had to stand up for Lorca butchering Issaquah....
Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:48:48 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Every time a lens flares, a whole new Trek timeline is born....
Juan Cena - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:08:06 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61982 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The timeline diverged before First Contact. In ST IV, Scotty introduced transparent aluminum to 20th Century Earth. We have no idea when it was supposed to be invented. By your logic, TOS is the only Prime-line show.

The newer ST movies belong to the Kelvin Universe. This has been already established.
Guinan - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:23:35 EST ID:in2ASXw/ No.61983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well I watched the new episode

I was underwhelmed. This show is settling in to being a show just a hair above fanfic what with their cockamayme new falooting continuity errors with technology and their barely believable bullshit plots.

Don't get me wrong, it's better than I thought after the pilot. That's not saying much though. It settling so far as to being a mix of the worst parts of enterprise and voyager in terms of equivalency to other series. Its starting to feel like star trek... It's just it feels like BAD star trek.

And here we are halfway through the first season, a quarter of the total we'll get from this show most likely since it's business model is so flawed and it was approved for 2 seasons from the get go

It might improve but by then it's gonna be too late most likely
Prophet - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 08:38:41 EST ID:7Ew1l4c7 No.61996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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somebody do some O'brien voodoo and get rid of this guy please...just beam him to space.
Tom Paris - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:33:04 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you seem to be under the impression that anybody cares
you are worse than stimlion, gb2tinfoil with your unintelligible retardation
Ambassador Shras - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:02:41 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.62002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dayman has been seeping out elsewhere. I'm not sure if he's a troll persona or just that stupid and unfunny.
Ambassador Shras - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:50:16 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.62007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whoever the fuck just sent Dayman to Gallitep, I would like to extend the thanks or Federation and messages of support for your government.

I can do that as an ambassador right?

nb for double post even though this is the top thread.
Temporal Agent Daniels - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 02:54:25 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bumping this back to the front because faggot /tinfoil/ spammers flooded this board
Seriously wtf
Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:19:17 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I reported one of his posts yesterday and came back like 5 minutes later and they were wiped. Whichever mod it was is a hero.
Franklin Drake - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:17:48 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Should we be assuming now that the Class F shuttles' little engines are indeed warp nacelles, then? There was, after all, that instance in The Menagerie where the shuttle went chasing after the Enterprise, which was at warp at the time, and they DO look like just scaled down warp nacelles....
Gaila - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:20:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It would seem that way. I mean a lot of tech stuff wasn't very clear in TOS, or at least not elucidated upon much.
Gralik Durr - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:33:48 EST ID:s9v2HQgf No.62104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Star Trek is internally very inconsistent especially when they fired phasers in the warp in TOS, Trek needs to be more like 40k
Kai Winn - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:45:04 EST ID:UbixIY2k No.62191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just finished watching it for the first time. It took me 3 days because my attention kept drifting off. Even when TOS and TNG got stupid it still managed to be interesting. TNG's The Royale was fairly awful but it was still watchable. But this latest Dickscoveredinbees ep... it reeked of Kurtzman's writing. The show goes through a checklist of what they think are powerful emotional moments and then shovels in garbage to fill the gaps. And in the middle of those special moments the dialogue is unhinged. Like that final convo with Burnham - I thought Tilly was the one with autism. Hello, strange man whom I barely know and who has likely heard of my war-inciting reputation by now, I will now flatly and precisely describe my inner turmoil for no reason. And you will say the perfect thing to put me at ease.

The hero has to kung-fu fight her adoptive Vulcan father in order to not get 'pushed out' of Vulcan Skype with him. Twice. WHY??? In a non-retarded Star Trek show I'm thinking he would either ignore her or talk to her. More likely talk to her since she isn't just some rando wandering by. But not in STD. STD needs padding. So like JJTrek, people punch each other because thoughtful dialogues are too hard to write.

And that fucking flat-angle Xanadu shit when Sarek's Skype SOS comes through...it's like they're looking for new ways to make the show look cheap and rushed. It's kind of hilarious in a disappointing way.
Major Rakal - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 20:08:12 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just wanna know this... how fucking psychic are Vulcans anyway? Compared to some species who read minds like most people read fast food menus, they seem weak. Then along comes STD to all of a sudden crank their psychic powers into God Mode and they are dragging NON-Vulcans all of sudden into their inner most angsty thoughts. Slow the roll before we start seeing Sraek pulling Q level pranks with his mind or some shit. And what the fuck is up with the Katra? Is Burnham now psychic-ish because she shares Sarek's weird Vulcan Force-Soul?
Guinan - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:44:07 EST ID:3T/wLRRT No.62198 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Romulans are more powerful, Remans even more so, but not all Remans are telepathic.

Vulcans really only have direct contact telepathy with the mindmeld, they're shittier than a half betazoid
Major Rakal - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:25:46 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except when Vulcans need to get shit done, then the touchy-psychic thing goes out the window and they make Betazoids look like brain damaged chimps....
Sphere Builder - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 02:07:52 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wow, OK, I am smoldering with anger
Leave it to STD to make an interesting concept like an artificial time loop fucking boring. Fuck Michael Burnham, she continues to be one of the worst actors I've seen in a major production like this. Harry Mudd is ok but I think I just have a crush on Rainn Wilson Lt. Gay Scientist I am liking more and more, I like his character progression (because he's the only one with any character arc).
Is it safe to assume the "4th dimensional beings" that Mudd acquired the TIME CRYSTAL FUCK YOU CBS SERIOUSLY FUCK YOU THATS THE LAMEST SHIT *ahem* the time crystal from are the Q? What other sort of beings have that technology barring the Borg?
I also just finished Stranger Things season 2 so I'm in a bad mood, that show is a fucking gyp
Franklin Drake - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 03:08:38 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe he mugged the Prophets
Guinan - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 03:58:11 EST ID:3T/wLRRT No.62216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know, I thought it was the high point for the series... But it was a recycled concept with hand waving for how Mudd was able to do what he was able to do

By the way there are quite a few 4 dimensional being a aside from the Q and the prophets, though many of them were one off species such as the ones from DS9 that thought an artificial black hole was a nice place to put their babbys.. Also anyone who's interacted with the nexus has transcended to 4D

That's how I'm able to tell when weird temporal shit is going on, since I went up into that Nexus when Kirk saved my refugee ship
Guinan - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 04:01:37 EST ID:3T/wLRRT No.62217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
By the way, no more STD til next year.. that's more than half the first season and.. it was pretty much on par with enterprise prior to season 4 if not a little shittier.

Not as bad as I expected but not really good either. Oh well. I might actually watch the rest of the first season.

And yeah gay spore man has pretty much become the only interesting character besides lorca.
Legate Hovat - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:22:35 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.62222 Ignore Report Quick Reply

We still have at least two more episodes in the next two weeks.
Major Rakal - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:00:29 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I concur.
I don't want to be "that guy," but since when was Harry Mudd a god damn serial killer? He was always a pretty non-physical guy and into the swindle, not murder. But here he goes wiping out whole chunks of the crew in an orgy of killing. Sometimes with some real hands-on methods. Then he resorts to Torture Death Orbs. WTF? He took a serious wrong turn in the writer's room. Mudd is the fucking comic relief guys! He is a pain in the ass, not the God of Death. Sheesh.
And why is Lt Shroomer there going Full Leary and diving into some weird space hippy shit? Seems odd.
Also, who in the future listens to old timey hip hop? Shouldn't they all be into Space Techno or some shit like that?
Leeta - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:16:08 EST ID:aTBNUBu0 No.62238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I swear it would have made Into Darkness an amazing film if the solution to Khan was revealing that his wife was not only not dead, but trying to find that asshole for a hundred years.

She's old as fuck and khan ain't interested at first but she puts a worm in his ear and goes off into the sunset with her youthful, subservient Cumberbatch ass.
Guinan - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:39:24 EST ID:GwChYndC No.62241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh shit I guess they changed it.. you're right

Hopefully they don't suck
Lore - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:17:23 EST ID:7aDOWGh4 No.62243 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Is this show even trying to not be a clearly fanfictions wetdream type star trek?

The beegees remix was pretty terrible. And lends more credence to the idea that Star Trek societies don't have any culture of their own.

I love how they are doing a time loop thing in a way that's terrible... "I'm outside the time stream so I get the power to be immediately aware of it and be a plot device." Compare that to the TNG time loop episode where they have an instinctive sense of what's happening at the beginning and the mystery goes from there.

BURNHAM IS A BORING FUCKING CHARACTER. JESUS CHRIST I DON'T CARE ABOUT HER "STRUGGLE" IT'S BORING. I DON'T GET IT. I don't get WHAT THE STRUGGLE IS. Is it that she's not a human and trying to shed her vulcan thing? If that's it it's the worst fucking written version of that.

Seriously folks what read have we gotten on burnham after- what is this- 7 episodes?

  1. She's conflicted about her place among humans because she was raised vulcan? (but sarek had a human wife? so how "far" away could she have been from her humanity? i don't get it...)
  2. She's not emotional except when the plot needs her to be.
  3. She likes the chief of security. (ash tyler)
  4. She makes rash decisions and allows other people to make rash decisions. (killing tkuvma in the former and letting the original security chief JUST GET KILLED by the tardigrade)
  5. She has good intentions.

All the actors are fine and honestly the most compelling WRITTEN things are not about Burnham. Example: Once again they've made the captain the most interesting character because at least he has a past that's not stupid and he's clearly insane so at least that's SOMETHING. Saru being of a different species that can sense death.

This character is literally that character that authors have in stories to have things HAPPEN TO but not actually DO anything on their own. The only exception to that appears to be just the pilot.

Oh I wish DS9 were just coming out... oh I would be having such a good time... ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Seska - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:06:10 EST ID:ALLINHwI No.62247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Is this show even trying to not be a clearly fanfictions wetdream type star trek?
seriously? you have just been shitting up the board with your contrarian nonsense

stfu DAYMAN, gtfo ------>
Janice Rand - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:00:32 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.62252 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The way I think about it is that Mudd was soo pissed off at Lorca because he left Mudd to rot in a Klingon prison camp, that he would kill him 50-60 times over and over while blowing up the ship to restart the timeloop. You can see in the other time loops that he doesn't really kill anyone unless someone tries to stop him or to clear a way to Lorca. It's a simple "revenge villain" trope.
Molly O'Brien - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:08:41 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.62253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i didn't know it was contrarian to say that std is shit
B'Etor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:35:24 EST ID:UbixIY2k No.62254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hello, I'm Lieutenant Gay and when I'm not being oppressed by Kevin Spacey I'm witnessing every murder committed by our interloper, even though every time he encounters a crewman he KILLS THEM ON THE SPOT and we never see me in the same room with him except for two scenes.

Grats to the writers on taking a scheming prison rat and turning him into a Q with perfect memory and an unjustified appetite for revenge over the sudden squishing of his space cockroach.

And my honest praise for the first and only moment so far when I was both pleasantly surprised and laughed. Pic related. They only spent $56 million to get it.
Lt. Talas - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 02:23:55 EST ID:CCnGzNJN No.62255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Has Weinstein made anyone on Star Trek pudder his chud?
Has Weinstein made anyone on Star Trek pudder his chud?
Has Weinstein made anyone on Star Trek pudder his chud?
Has Weinstein made anyone on Star Trek pudder his chud?
Xerius - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:40:55 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.62260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why are the gay characters both stereotypes?
DaiMon Bractor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:46:04 EST ID:/6VHUlUm No.62261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because Hollywood wants to ram politics down everyone's throats

It's actually very derogatory if you ask me
DaiMon Nunk - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:03:17 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Need more gay writers.
DaiMon Bractor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 13:39:36 EST ID:/6VHUlUm No.62268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why not more GOOD writers?
Wesley Crusher - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:35:00 EST ID:f4GL6k/2 No.62275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>more gay writers.

True Blood Season 3 through however the fuck many warns of the hazards of the overabundance of gay writers.
Guinan - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:42:08 EST ID:GwChYndC No.62278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. The writers might not be gay, but they're a bunch of faggots, no offense to the homosexual community
B'Etor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:43:44 EST ID:UbixIY2k No.62279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The writers can't into subtext and nuance so everything is a signpost. No one can ever be a little concerned or a little conflicted or even a little gay.
Herbert Rossoff - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:26:56 EST ID:rZIX04Ya No.62288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What? What I mean is diversity doesn't automatically make something better, talent does
Thy'lek Shran - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:15:44 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.62298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because Michael Pillar, Ira Steven Behr, Fontana, Rick Berman are all either dead or not working on Star Trek anymore.

If people really want a reason why this Trek is shit-garbage that is honestly the reason. They have no legitimacy within "torch passing" that happened when GR died.
Kessick - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 13:49:44 EST ID:IpebbzMW No.62305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Knowing the thing you write about helps. However a talented writer who is a man who has had a relationship with a man would be an asset to a writing team if you've got a lot of homo flying around on the deck that a straight guy wouldn't be but only assuming there were already talented straight writers and no pre existing gay ones.
Turanj - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 15:43:52 EST ID:CdncQJXv No.62311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I liked episode 7. It seems like the most treky episode yet. Sure it's a well worn premise. But I liked that it's mostly from the perspective of someone who is isn't experiencing the loop. That was an interesting little twist in the structure.

One of my big gripes about the show is that they weren't taking the time to just do some character development, and have interactions between characters that weren't just directly serving the plot. I get that a lot of people aren't liking how characters were developed, but I feel like I have a much better idea of who some of them are now. I liked it.

The resolution with Mudd getting shipped off struck me as a very TNG moment. I need to look at the writers for each episode. The character of this one seemed really different. I almost wonder if it was a bottle episode that was written to pad out the season. Whatever happened, they took their foot off the gas for a bit, which was a good thing.
Guinan - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:25:15 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I did too. It gave me hope that the series might not suck after all, maybe. Just maybe.
DaiMon Torrot - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:38:23 EST ID:rZIX04Ya No.62316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This version of Mudd is killing my nerd / comedy Bonner

and my actual one too
Etana Jol - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:40:27 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It did seem like a bottle episode. Their first, really. In that way, it was the Trekiest episode yet. It sort of felt weird though because so far everything has been The Galaxy According to Burnham and this long story arc about her getting all wrapped up in the Klingon War and Lorca's brooding gothic bullshit. Everything seemed pinned on prior or upcoming episodes, and then *whump* bottle episode. And even that was based on a prior episode. It actually would have done better in a second season or at the end half of the series. It feels really claustrophobic to have the Mudd Epsiodes so close together.

Oh, and whatever happened to Albino Klingon and his Fuck Buddy? They just chilling someplace or what? Wasn't he supposed to be doing some shit by now?
Captain Rudolph Ransom - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 22:21:27 EST ID:00CV1Z7S No.62324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>whatever happened to Albino Klingon
He's doing just fine, look at him
Noah Lessing - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 23:03:12 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This episode Gay Spore Scientist SPECIFICALLY mentioned him being "an extremely tall man" 10000% he is infiltrating StarFleet in order to pull some hijinx
Belongo - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 23:45:15 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Right now, the biggest trick CBS could pull off would be to not live up to expectations and have him be a mole for the Klingons.

Oh, and WTF is up with Danger Ganglia Man there? why weren't his weird head penises going all erect the second the Space Whale showed up? Shouldn't they have been going off like crazy since they sense "danger," and Mudd is planning on destroying Discovery like a few kajillion times. Those fuckers should have been popping off his skull! Useless fucking alien power if it isn't going off the second Mudd gets within a mile of the ship.

Oh, and Saru heavy episode coming up. The cowardly alien finds his courage!
Sarek - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 01:37:38 EST ID:w+z/R1QM No.62328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think Saru's threat ganglia are supposed to be some supernatural thing.
Then again intergalactic mind skype
Saru's just got the best intuition and maybe minor telepathic empathy to hostility. I don't think that works from the bridge.
He's a shit Deanna Troi.

But Deanna Troi is a shit commander so I guess they're even.
Rekelen - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:26:50 EST ID:mw1AnnTr No.62331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Discovery sucks, full stop.

It's like Star Trek The Motion Picture, so bad it's good.
DaiMon Nunk - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:49:23 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.62337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Boring time loop episode but it did feel like trek.

Also I'm really tired of Burnham's poetic logs.
Captain Rudolph Ransom - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:50:29 EST ID:00CV1Z7S No.62338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The real reason we don't see enough of Saru's threat ganglia is because they are a CGI effect instead of a practical one, which was stupid of them.

Scurrilous lies, TMP is best trek.
Belongo - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:04:47 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The real reason we don't see enough of Saru's threat ganglia is because they are a CGI effect instead of a practical one, which was stupid of them.

Gotta save the cash for the multiple explosions and CGI deaths...

Seriously though, how do those things work? It seemed to be pitched that Sarus danger boners were "mild psychic," because he seemed to be foreshadowing the entire mess that is the first two episodes of the pilot.

Look, if Saru had been, "Captain Lorca, something doesn't seem right here. I sense a threat, that could have helped drive the plot. And at least gotten more of an ensemble feel instead of the usual "Everything is about the aspie quasi-Vulcan," that we usually get. Lorca seemed to barely be in the last episode. He was literally a prop for Mudd to play with...
DaiMon Nunk - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:29:30 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.62345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think they really knew what they were doing when they were revealing the characters. Or creating them. They were kinda just like "look at this crazy alien with the shit that comes out of his neck! Shits nuts!" and that's pretty much the extent of it. His quote in that original teaser or trailer was retarded and made him look a lot worse than he is. I think they were just treading water at that point and needed to throw something out there.
Captain Rudolph Ransom - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:31:25 EST ID:00CV1Z7S No.62351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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In DSC, apparently mysticism is 100% real and a scientific force. Stametz basically says that explicitly and even wants to try to develop a machine to interface with it. That's why katra skype works, that's how the Discovery can travel anywhere in the galaxy as long as it's hooked up to a lifeform that's tripping its balls off, that's how Saru or any lifeform could have a literal sense of a totally abstract concept like 'I'm about to die.'

But yeah, the main problem with the way the show is now is that Burnham is a terrible character and the show can't be a proper ensemble like every trek since TOS has been. Luckily, this is a problem that can easily be rectified down the line.

Yes there is very little rhyme or reason with the character design. I still don't even know the medical dude's name, the only thing about his character is that he's gay, that's it. Which used to be the case for Stametz along with snarkitude, which has now been thankfully replaced with permafried status (he's climbed from the bottom to near the top of my DSC character leaderboard chart.)

Lorca is just every stereotype of bad captain put together, but it actually makes for great viewing (I suspect that somehow CBS thought Trekkies would somehow be more shocked by the concept of a bad captain? Trust me, we've seen plenty...) Tilly is just autism, again, we don't have anything but this very 2 dimensional character, and she's used for comic relief, which says a lot more than it should...

Saru, however, is the best. It's like all their ideas about 'well this is what a Trekkie kind of answer or opinion would be' are always put in Saru's mouth, making him the best character. The whole series could be just him flying around, seeing something cool, then being afraid of it and flying away, I would be 100% on board for that.
Thot Pran - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:23:05 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think I agree with your character standings. And about Stametz. It is kinda lame that I like him now that he's not being snippy, but it was just far too stereotypical for him to be warp 10 snark. But in this episode where he was integral to the plot besides some insane gimmick, I feel like he kinda stood out and felt like a real star trek science officer. It's a lot better than when they use him to explain the spore gobbledygook.
And Saru is of course #1 because he really feels like he belongs on a starship. And oddly enough, he fits right into the XO, #1 role. I say oddly enough because he's kinda standoffish and comes off as a bit of a coward and he even questions Lorca occasionally. Well the questioning part isn't that abnormal but for a #1 to have that kind of overly careful attitude and not just be a badass standing behind the captain is unheard of. And the fact that he still pulls it off and remains very likeable is a testament to Doug Jones' skill.
Thot Pran - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 19:52:03 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've loved the Trekspertise videos in the past so I started watching their episode reviews for Discovery and I could not get over how intensely they were slobknobbing DIS. They don't present any criticisms or any analysis in their videos, they're simply recaps with lots of fellatio.
Emperor Sompek - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:03:17 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.62357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The whole series could be just him flying around, seeing something cool, then being afraid of it and flying away, I would be 100% on board for that.

He is basically a bipedal Pierson's Puppeteer which I am 100% okay with.
Arik Soong - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:00:41 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Saru needs more episodes. It looks like he might get some more screen time, but in a real way, I'd rather have him be the main character instead of Burnham. Burnham is supposed to be trapped in this social and cultural limbo. She kind of sucks at it. Saru could easily be presented with some of the same challenges and issues. I mean, he is aboard an alien vessel that is 99% Super Predators on the crew. That needs to come up more. I mean, Saru is pretty ballsy for being basically from a race of sentient cows. Klepians are big old gangly cowards by nature. And here we have one of them signing up to be a ship full of insanely dangerous predators that is going off to fight another super predator species. He should be freaking out. Right? Maybe, Saru is the closest his people have to a balls-out fucking epic hero type. So, why not cover this more? I mean, one thing Enterprise did right was have the Vulcan/Human friction. With Vulcans being all, "These humans are stupid and smelly...we should be careful around them." Saru should be firing off emails going, "These fuckers are CRAZY! They have no sense of how to stay safe. BTW, turns out the ship blows up at the drop of a hat, too! I'm riding the fucking lightning with these psychotic apes!"

Shit, I want a Trek where the main focus is on like, three aliens. Three aliens all trying to cope with the humans and their weirdness. I think, again, Enterprise touched on this briefly between T'Pol and Phlox. "Hey, sure is weird to be so far from our own people, eh?" kind shit. I wanna see how the aliens see the humans in Trek. Which is kinda the thing about Trek. Trek was always about examining the human condition. Aliens are a good way to do that. TNG did it amazingly well with Data and Worf. TOS had Spock. Saru could be that character, but instead we get the PTSD'd bombing survivor whom somehow manages to make Tilly look fucking acceptable in terms of human interaction. Not the same. Not well written. Gimme some Saru, or even that weird cyborg chick (not the ginger...apparently that is just a medical prosthetic she got to repair injuries from the attack on the Shenzhou...let's see what Ghost In The Shell BETA VERSION has to say...)
Roger Lemli - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:55:48 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>cyborg chick

Yes I want more of her too. All we got of her in the last episode was a little clip of her making out with some dude in the background. If they're gonna go full GoT I want to see some titties. Jk, but she is an intriguing character. Some of the other oddities on the bridge like the grey and blue alien chick don't seem to work very well but the chick with the implant on her face kinda sticks out like something I want to be explored more.

And yeah, the focus on Burnham is really getting tiring. In this last episode I was hoping it wasn't gonna just be Burnham solving the time issue, and thankfully it wasn't, but in other episodes they're kinda making her the Wesley of the ship. Shoeing in the wiz kid that nobody really likes every chance they get. If they overdo it they'll definitely get the Wesley effect going strong. I'm hoping that in season 2 they learn that the other characters deserve more time. Which, granted they are giving some characters development, but if they just spent one episode not focusing on Burnham, we could get a ton of development with multiple characters. Trek isn't about a person it's about the crew and philosophical dilemmas. Not just one person struggling to interact with people. That's way too shallow.
Arik Soong - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:35:37 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well, so far it is canon that she was on the bridge of Shenzhou when it was attacked and was seriously injured. You would think this would generate more friction between her and Burnham since she now looks like an extra from Johnny Mnemonic for the rest of her life.
Lore - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:40:09 EST ID:rZIX04Ya No.62367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Go back to.. that other board
Roger Lemli - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:35:31 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We did get a reaction out of her, once.
I believe it was the first time she saw Burnham, either on the bridge or in the mess hall, she had an intense look of fear on her face. I'm guessing maybe she's either just submissive or doesn't want to start any trouble with a higher ranking officer. But, Burnham was an ensign or something for a little while so maybe she's just submissive.
Arik Soong - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:37:12 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think Burnham was even less than that. Is she even ranked? I am 100% sure that when Jenny Mnemonic there sees her, Burnham is still fresh off the prison transport. Giving her a rank in Starfleet of -10 or some shit. I dunno. I just feel like some exposition by someone horribly messed up due to Burnham's actions would have been nice and then some continuing friction now that Burnham is on the bridge all the time.

The real question is what is up with Data Beta?
From what I can find, nobody has set her role...she is either an enhanced alien, or maybe even an enhanced human. I would assume via accident like Jenny Mnemonic. The Federation seems wary of too much fucking around with the human body...at least in pre-STD canon. Geordie only gets the VISOR since he was born blind. Nobody seems to be handing things out to people who just want to see a whole bunch of cool shit in non-visual spectrums, or gets cybernetic limbs so they can be super strong and shit.

Making Data Beta there an alien would avoid any canon conflicts at least. Otherwise, I hope they either come up with some past accident that caused her to have to go full Ghost In The Shell, or they will just shit on the canon and now the Federation is full of people who just mod themselves like PCs. My bet is the latter will happen because fucking CBS seems clueless.

What I really want to know is why Data Beta, was useless against Mudd. There is that whole scene where she and the guy next to her decide to jump Mudd. But, the normal human male does the jumping and is caught. Why is he jumping Mudd with his normal human body, when she, being a cyborg, could most certainly do it faster and more precisely? Unless the Federation has a law nerfing body implants or some shit. Again, it feels like something was there the writers could have used, and done it in an interesting way, but they just flubbed it. I dunno. Seems my biggest issue. They keep focusing on Burnham and sort of ignoring some cool shit that could also help propel the story line forward.

And seriously, STD writers need to fucking tighten their canon! If you are working on a venerable series like Trek, canon becomes a big thing. More so in the age of streaming where you can just go and watch all the Mudd Epsiodes at once at a whim. The storytelling here now covers decades of material. You have to tighten the continuity up a bit more and at least come up with clever reasons why full on cyborgs just pop up 100 years before Geordie does.
Christopher Brynner - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:31:12 EST ID:IpebbzMW No.62380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except without the super triangulated death kick.

Niven already wrote some trek though.
Arik Soong - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:56:09 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrote, hell, he brought Kzin into ST:TAS....full on. Makes sense though, since in Man-Kzin wars, the humans are pretty Federationy...full jumpsuit communism...everyone has their needs met...no violence, etc.
Emperor Sompek - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 18:41:06 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.62391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yep, though I think their only real appearance was in The Slaver Weapon. I've always thought Man-Kzin Wars would make an excellent anthology TV series.

There are some similarities to the Federation there though it is quite a bit darker IMO with the birthright lotteries and everything. I always liked their FTL better. You had to have a good pilot watching at all times to get out of the way of stars and planets as you approach them. There is definitely quite a bit of violence and crime (see: Gil the Arm Hamilton and Sigmund Ausfaller) Its not as "perfect" as life in Trek.

You know, since they talk about a series of wars with the Kzinti in TAS they could have used them in place of Klingons in STD and it would have been much better. You don't have to worry about fucking with established timelines or destroying the way klingons look and they actually do eat their enemies and are about as warlike as you can get.


What other board? There are clearly some parallels to be drawn between puppeteers and Saru and its not like there is no Niven influence in Trek. No need to be such a dick but judging by your other posts you just come here to troll.
Lore - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 18:53:17 EST ID:rZIX04Ya No.62393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not a troll, this isn't Hollywood, just accusing someone of something means dilliely dick
Arne Darvin - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 19:53:44 EST ID:ZTT6imbJ No.62394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I can't do it anymore.

I've tried to give this show a chance but it's absolutely horrible. The writing is terrible. There is no chemistry between any of the actors. There has been no real character development for any of the crew aside from "Strong Independent black woman who don't need no supporting actors". As someone here said, everyone seems to be driven by character flaws instead of an actual personality. Every attempt at a plot device based in science has been in actuality absurd fantasy I.E magic space spores, microscopic organisms in macro form being tortured by nipple clamps, Harry Mudd having access to time-travel tech living in a space-dragon...etc.

I've watched every episode up until now but I just can't do it anymore. I can not find a single thing about this show that is likeable aside from special effects. They've completely dehumanized the show, replacing it with a soulless homunculus that could only appeal to an equally soulless audience.

Thank God for the Orville. It has better writing, better acting, more relateable characters, and is in every way a better show than the disease that STD is.
Minister Kuvak - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 20:04:50 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno...TAS tends to get ignored as canon, and I could see CBS being worried about a new species in Trek. They know that Klingons, Vulcans, and Romulans sell. The New Klingons were a mistake though. Sadly, since all STD seems to do is take shrooms and fight Klingons, I doubt there will be much in the way of new alien races like in TOS or others. Just Stamets getting his shroom on and them blasting away at Klingons.
Chairman Koval - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 22:33:34 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TAS has never been ignored as canon--there are references to it in TNG, DS9, TOS-R, and so forth. It has been *mistakenly considered* non-canonical, which is a difference.
Gul Evek - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 09:22:58 EST ID:qX5lLyFW No.62403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As far as I know, only Yesteryear is canon from TAS.
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 14:06:28 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>microscopic organisms in macro form being tortured by nipple clamps, Harry Mudd having access to time-travel tech living in a space-dragon
lol is this Trek or Lexx?
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 14:09:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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afaik TAS is noncanon unless otherwise stated, so Yesteryear, T is Tiberius, that's still canon, but there's not so much of a need to worry about the giant Spock that's just out there or the Kzinti who are specifically noncanon to Trek because legal reasons

nb for 2x
Lt. Maxwell Burke - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:42:00 EST ID:v/43NuMx No.62408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's jump shark tier. Besides, it's not Harry Mudd, it's Dwight Schrute...
Ensign Vorik - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 20:22:12 EST ID:IpebbzMW No.62413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mfw the eternal giant spock is not cannon
B'Etor - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 21:19:21 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wish that DIS would have put an Andorian on the bridge.
Greer - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 23:21:56 EST ID:wioQonv1 No.62418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lexx at least was good because it was a new IP and established new lore.
Discovery shits on established lore for no reason other than SJW-isms
Keiko O'Brien - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 05:20:21 EST ID:dAwxSqS0 No.62421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean, you aren't wrong.
Weyoun 8 - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 02:06:31 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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New episode was pretty lame
I think that's probably it, my hope meter is completely empty.
I don't want to watch any more but I think there's only one more episode right
IDK I'll probably watch the next one drunk as fuck and just get angry
I gotta give it to ya CBS you made me watch a whole season full of episodes and characters I didn't like a bit and sometimes outright hated vehemently, props to you on that
Private W Woods - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 14:28:20 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One more ep before the hiatus. Season 1 will be 15 total. Then, over a year's wait for season 2
Janice Rand - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:43:54 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Have they said when the second half of season 1 starts?
Corporal R Richards - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:52:07 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
January I think.
Kathryn Janeway - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:39:28 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.62445 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think they're saving it until we forget and put our lives back together, then they'll spring it on us. You know, slasher movie sequel rules.
Torg - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 06:18:05 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The one with Mudd gave me some hope. Not a lot, but it had a decent sci-fi premise. One of my favorites, in fact: Groundhog Day. Sure, they still managed to cock it up with disjointed writing and unlikable characters, but it's the first episode that actually used its full cast to solve a problem with a solid underlying concept.

And the newest one was a dreadful bore again. Again it committed the sin of underperforming to the expectations I have of it while watching. When the sneaky Klingon girl takes the admiral and kills her, I thought it was a ploy. That she'd changed the settings on the weird, exposed electricity thing to only stun the Admiral. And then the Admiral would get up and make some quick about her being right about her not dying in a cage, and then the Klingon would do some monologue about her fallen comrades and how Kol is actually backstabbing the entire Klingon race or some shit. And the Admiral would say "lol, I thought you guys eating people was just a racist rumour". I mean, the bitch is supposed to be a fucking spy, right? Have her do some smart spy shit. If the Admiral had remained alive, and set up to return to Discovery next episode this whole thing might, I don't know, have some fucking weight to it. You can always kill her there. Have Lorca kill her, if you really want to see that the fucker is heading down a dark path. He already knew the Klingons would get her, anyway. He already halfway did it.

Also, now that Mike is spending her time munching on Ash's face, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if he doesn't turn out to be Voq. And I think this hackneyed romance plot is very disappointing. And very American. People give The Orville shit for the divorced couple dynamic, but how can those same people look at this high school garbage on STD and go "well, that's good tv"?

Seeing the new aliens gave me some hope. They seem very TOS-like, very classic sci-fi. They'd seem like a good vehicle for hopeful first contact-y stuff. And maybe one of the crew could fuck one. Or them. Or whatever. Because we don't really know how they work, because STD keeps doing the most interesting shit offscreen while its DOA characters argue about petty shit.

And boy, the characters just keep getting more unlikable. I seriously don't understand how anyone can say Martin-Green is a decent actress. She's TERRIBLE. I'm noticing it more and more, especially when she has to act angry or undignified, or whatever that emotion she's trying to emote is when she slips back into her giant American accent and starts flapping her mouth like she's eating an invisible hamburger. Just imagine that burger there the next time she does it. You'll see I'm right.

They could stand to show more of Tilly's fat ass. That's officially the best character in the show, at this point. Speaking of her, first I thought they singled her out, because the lighting... doesn't do wonders for her skin. But the lighting also makes Mike look like a pockmarked dockworker on occasion. What's up with this shit? Why all this overhead lighting that shows every blemish on people's skin?
Guinan - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:48:42 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly I feel like Discovery could be condensed down to the second Mudd episode and a brief montage of Burnhams past plus another montage of the events in the prison episode and how the spore drive works and I might actually think it was good. There's been only one episode that really felt like star trek.. and it also was borderline ridiculous with Harry Mudd stealing GodTier technology and hiding it in a whales vagina in order to initiate a time loop to steal a starship and be way more violent than his TOS self, even going so far as to kill the obvious Klingon agent guy with a death bean, that's just fucked up since they'll never get to use him for some dramatic music twist.. Oh wait they brought him back with the power of love
Pax - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:42:32 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't fucking stand listening to Burnham's personal logs. It just pisses me off. The show would be so much better if they just didn't latch on to her asshole.
Senator Vreenak - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:42:54 EST ID:1Hyxksul No.62471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This last one was pretty underwhelming While on the surface it's a Saru episode and one with a distinctly Trek logline, it seriously fails to deliver. Energy aliens of peace and love (basically incompetent Organians who don't have the power to enforce their pacifism) are a cool concept, but there are so many flaws that would be considered fatally damning if they occurred in any of the prior series.

So Burnham just declares that GO#1 doesn't apply to these guys based on, what, the fact that they're energy beings? That's retarded; they live in fucking huts, and by their own admission have never figured out how to leave their own planet to explore space -- and not for lack of trying. There are plenty of energy beings throughout Star Trek, and yes some are demi-gods, but some aren't even sentient, let alone post-sentient, and exist purely on an instinctual basis. So file that entire bit away under 'the writers don't understand Star Trek at all.'

Now, while having one of the main cast be the monster of the week is always a good Trek plot to run through again, and certainly I enjoyed Saru being a badass, they skipped a really important element; explaining exactly why a good guy has become a bad guy. Was Saru really taken over by the energy beings to the extent he had no decision making power (thus a retread of 'This Side of Paradise' ) or does he have his own good philosophical reasons for *choosing* to take this stand (all those bits about him never being free of fear, etc, thus making it kinda a retread of "Let He Who is Without Sin.") If the former, then can we trust any of that character revealing information about him always being in fear, because he was under the energy beings' influence? If the latter, why wasn't he charged with disobeying orders? One line of dialogue with him in the sickbay could have cleared this up, but we don't get it.

Lastly, Game of Klingots HAS TO END. It is so goddamn boring watching people struggle their way through barely memorized Klingon dialogue with the emotive force of a dead tribble all for the sake of a very superficial (and stupid) 'power struggle' " " " " "plotline." " " " " And this shit is given like 30% of the screen time in each episode where it's featured, it's literally just wasted space, and I hate it. Wrap this shit up now and never ever do it again CBS.

Pretty good pew-pew space battle tho.

Other than that, this one was okay, I guess. I'm settling in to evaluating each episode as a Star Trek episode, which is more than I originally thought of the series, but as so singularly bad as to not even fit anywhere in the same universe as any of the other series. Yes, it's Trek, no, it's not good.
Pax - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:02:06 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Saru: "The Pavo are an extremely hospitable people. They will grant us anything we want."

Burnham: "So you're saying we have permission to complete our mission as planned!!!"

Oh my god how fucking stupid do I look that I need you to say it twice. And Burnham seemed so excited repeating exactly what Saru just said. Like a fucking dumb dog wagging her tail. Holy shit.
Jaresh-Inyo - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:09:52 EST ID:DFVtHqNO No.62488 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Well,we are all still watching the show, so clearly we aren't that much more than Pakled teir.
Orator Plegg - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 09:11:40 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's easy to watch something as a habit when it's available every week. I predit we'll see a lot of drop-off after the hiatus. I almost stopped watching it, but it's the sort of show I watch when I have absolutely, positively nothing else to do.

And, of course, watching it gives you the right to criticise it. I always think it's a shitty argument when fans say "well, why don't you stop watching then?" because the moment you do and say it sucks, the argument changes to "lol you don't even watch it, so what do you know?"

I've also been swayed by the argument of some people on here that said the show was "picking up" and that they were hopeful about it. In retrospect they were full of shit, but that's something I can only know when I watch the episodes they recommended. And this is also a pretty typical argument for the entrenched fan trying to get you to watch dogshit. In fact, the typical STD fanboy argument I've seen is "the first seasons of all other Trek shows were shit, so you should be OK with STD being shit, too". In a sense we're pre-empting a lot of this crap and having our discussions about this show while it's still all fresh.

I had this same shit with Lost. Watched the first season while everyone was raving about it, thought it was shit, and stopped. Along comes my sister who tells me the second season was much better, and they are answering all the questions people had. So I hop in halfway into the second season. And the first episode I saw was a redshirt episode. And it was still shit for all the same reasons, so while I gave the second season another chance, I never returned for the third.

Of course, I was completely right about Lost. But I had to watch it to even form that opinion.
William T Riker - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:12:04 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.62493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>picking up
Did you even see the first four episodes? Of course it was picking up after that plot-serving trash. What the hell is wrong with you?
Orator Plegg - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:48:46 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It was "picking up" in the same sense that a garbage fire gets slightly less crap when the wind is no longer blowing the smoke straight in your face. If you thought it was any kind of real improvement, I don't know what to tell you. You have cancer in your eyeballs or something. Get out of here, being offended in the stead of some dumb show. Go write some Mike/Tilly slash fic or whatever the fuck it is you fanboys do.
Geordi La Forge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:51:54 EST ID:WiKQv2fM No.62497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol speak for yourself I haven't watched this shit
Admiral Maxwell Forrest - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 17:22:50 EST ID:uOl3QzqF No.62498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol that's a great description of STD

Yeah the professionally offended should just acknowledge how terrible the show is and move along like me, the show fucking does suck though
Cmdr. Williams - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 14:40:28 EST ID:DqSBGF10 No.62534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And now we can look back at this bit of awfulness from before the awfulness. The Discovery Panel at the 2017 Vegas event.


>"I've always loved fantasy and sci-fi"
>Bitch then says her first Trek exposure was the 2009 movie
>everybody on the panel says they've always loved the show
>nobody can name anything other than whales and pointy ears
>Doctor Gay forgets what a hypospray is called
>then calls it a hyperspray; gets it right the third time with the crowd yelling it at him
>says he loved TNG as a kid and then calls Jonathan Frakes 'Jonathan Frakas'
>this is also after Frakes had directed him
>guy who plays a nuKlingon who also loved Trek all his life talks about playfighting with a "metcliff"
>bragging about the set design and 'cinematic look'
>can't see any of it in the pilot thanks to darkness, lens flares and low camera angles
>doctor gives a speech about Discovery being important because non-white lgbt kids will watch it and be empowered
>nuKlingon actress makes a very wobbly accusation of colonization at the Federation
>the shape of nuKlingons' heads is because of "sensors and pheromones"
>nuKlingon actress says she has "a very deep desire" to become fluent in Klingon

It's kind of shocking how little they have to say about the show, other than that playing a Klingon must have been a massive daily kick in the balls between the makeup, costume and saying the lines. They endured it believing they were a part of something special. I wonder how they felt after they watched some of the completed episodes.
Toral - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:36:30 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Holy shit you're a dumb cunt. nb
Minuet - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:42:06 EST ID:Yg7hBR3A No.62536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't expect much of actors because they're pill-popping cokehead sex freaks who can barely remember lines from one minute to the next, but jesus fucking christ that's some impressive retardation
Karr - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 19:11:41 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>gets personally offended when someone dislikes their favorite show
>is not a fanboy

Prosecutor Orak - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 22:58:56 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Shits on the first 4 episodes for being shit
Nah, the Sega Dreamcast is totally better than Playstation 2
Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 00:00:58 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For real though the show picked up significantly.

And then it slumped.
Now we've got a half season break coming up for no good reason.

Anyway in Star Trek tradition I assume this show will pick up for real sometime around when Worf joins it and/or it gets cancelled.
T'Pol - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:17:24 EST ID:ZTT6imbJ No.62551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Saying that STD "picks up" is like saying that the shit I took doesn't smell as bad anymore. In the end you're still talking about shit.
Commander Dolim - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:17:34 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I imagine it will be better in season 2. But that's just because they set the bar so low so far. Especially with the pilot. They really couldn't have made a worse pilot.
And hopefully they change up their tactics and actually heed fan criticism, and clean house.
Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:28:25 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It stopped slaving to its plot and started giving time to characters, which is one of the main aspects of Trek.

It's serialized. They can't fix much about it episode to episode.

They're just not balancing the main aspects of Trek correctly. Sometimes Discovery gets it right but it's all over the place.
I'm terrified of the Stamets multiverse shit going off the deep end at this point.
Karr - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:23:18 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's one of the main aspects of ANY tv show, you worthless shill. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but you already acted like a total cunt simply because some of us aren't sucking this show's dick. Go watch any modern TV show, and they're developing characters.

Frankly, I think it's ludicrous to try and force this view of this show being loyal to the Trek formula. It isn't. Not in the way it treats its characters, its plot, anything. It's a new sci-fi show with the Trek label slapped on there, and if it weren't, threads about this shit would probably be removed from this board. Because there's zero Star Trek pedigree in there
Lt. JG Saavik - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:17:48 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.62557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only way they can save STD if fat Riker shows up at the final episode, pauses the holosuite, and says that Ensign Crusher's reinterpretation of historic events was big fat pile of klingon shit.
Then Sisko shows up to punch the shit out Crusher (who is wearing an STD shirt and baseball cap) whilst Picard scolds him.

Then the credits roll and every name is preceded by "I'm sorry"
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:14:20 EST ID:xFx2q+gS No.62558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Get fucked

That would be great haha

Badar N'D'D - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:29:30 EST ID:Ix8ErRo5 No.62580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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two months ago I hated this show. What a cunt.
Weyoun 7 - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 10:55:47 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Get fucked

Solid argument, fanboy.
Commander Donatra - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:14:26 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The episode was decent. I hate the cheap mind season break tactic but whatever.
But now knowing that the sport drive has landed them in an alternate universe,it starts to make up for a lot of the dumb shit. I'm interested to see where they take this. It can go a million different ways from here.
Lwaxana Troi - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:38:42 EST ID:wJD6uka7 No.62646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've been looking for somewhere to vent about this. I didn't realize this board was even active.

But I totally miss the resolution happening each episode. Like, new episode and new plot, characters, etc. Discovery is just some glitzy CGI canned show.

Having a cliffhanger at the end of each episode isn't appealing to me.
Ensign Hogan - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:08:24 EST ID:ZLqTXB8I No.62651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The cliffhanger thing is why this show is made for normies not fans

I mean this action space show should be on /mtv/
Juan Cena - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:47:47 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.62654 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It seems Discovery is trying to stay focus on the arc. In other Star Trek shows, there are arcs but they tend to be spread out. I guess they want to be different.

Commander Donatra - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:11:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah DS9 had lots of arcs but they weren't back to back to back to back. STD wears you out and makes you tired of the arc after the first couple episodes. If it was 3-4 arc episodes dispersed in a season of standalone episodes, this would work a lot better. But they gotta be like that Game of Thrones. Eejits!
Kozak - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:19:33 EST ID:Yb42b7BZ No.62668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only way they can save STD is if fat Riker shows up at the final episode, pauses the holosuite, and says that Ensign Crusher's reinterpretation of historic events was big fat pile of klingon shit.
Then Sisko shows up to punch the shit out Crusher (who is wearing an STD shirt and baseball cap) whilst Picard scolds him.

Then the credits roll and every name is preceded by "I'm sorry"
Lt. George Primmin - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:33:01 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Whilst Picard scolds him over the comm to a backing of fleshy slapping, pausing only because Beverley is yelling "Oh yeah, fuck that ass daddy" too loudly.

Fixed that for you.
Rowboat Girlyman - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:49:37 EST ID:nT3hzwmG No.62697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh I'm sorry can you not pay attention for 3-4 hours at a time, try having a real factory job
Seven of Nine - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:10:39 EST ID:6iu6Wjvr No.62701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>we need to do 130 spore drive jumps to map the location of the nuKlingon ship

Wwwwwwhhhhyyyy? It's one ship only slightly bigger than yours, it's not a continent. And what will you do if they move? Start over?
If jumping once will show you part of the ship, then why not jump once and then blast the shit out of whatever you find?

>be enormous nuKlingon captain
>underweight human female wants to have a knife fight
>i could just let her land one hit and grab her and wreck her shit
>instead i'll dance around like it's Crouching Targ, Hidden Darmok until she stabs my leg and escapes, making me look like a massive retard in front of my crew

>captain, you are ordered to fall back so the enemy doesn't kill or capture your ship and fuck everything up
>my divine morals, which don't apply to the alien corpse party in my secret clubhouse, require that i ignore that order and risk everything to protect some trees and sparkling gas clouds
>now rev up that spore drive so i can turn the lieutenant into hyperdimensional roadkill

>the episode ends without the audience knowing if the lieutenant survived
>guess we'll find out in January, i should keep subscribing to see if he made it
>30 seconds later the teaser shows us he's fine and will turn into some kind of Gary Mitchell knockoff

Plus all the usual bitching about dialogue and its delivery. Dickscoveredinbees doesn't miss a chance to disappoint.
Jannar - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:39:04 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah it was horrible.

I guess i have a month or two to decide if I'm bored enough to waste my time continuing it after it comes back on.
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 22:01:21 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've stopped smoking weed every day, and it made me realize I can only tolerate this garbage when I'm stoned. I've been watching other modern shows, and it made me realize how STD is identical to them, except it all takes place on a spaceship. But it's the same shit with unlikable, often immoral characters.

And seriously, Martin-Green is the worst lead I've ever seen in any series, barring complete garbage. I was watching that cheap ass show Killjoys, and I realized its main character is a lot like Micheal Burnham... but done well. Two of the other shows I watched had the leads play different roles on the regular. And granted, one of them was kind of shit at it, but the other two were great. They fully segue into different characters so naturally that you almost forget you're watching the same actor. And then Martin-Green can't act consistently in the same scene. The same shot. Then again, she seems to be channeling Quinto's Spock, so there might be some asshole behind the scenes going "no, chew the scenery more. Physically. Put it in your mouth".

I don't know if I'm going to cave and watch the latest episode. But it's probably going to be on a smoking day. For now, I'm done. I had even forgotten it was supposed to be a cliffhanger. I'll watch the rest of Killjoys instead. It's trash, but it's grown on me. It's kind of like a Firefly, but not written by Whedon in both the good and bad sense.
Jannar - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:31:39 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah save it for a smoking day.
It wasn't horrible but hard to watch sober and suspend disbelief. It might be easier if you're stoned.
Azan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:19:43 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.62706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>tfw they've just remade Star Trek Voyager but retarded
Guinan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:52:47 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Q'Pla! They finally show Klingon tits but only after transforming them into disgusting monster lizards, sounds about right. Pic related is no longer canon because she doesn't have enough scales.

Saying this show is voyager tier is too generous.. it's more like a blend of all the worst parts of voyager and enterprise with a healthy splash of nutrek.. pretty much a blend of all the ahittiest parts of the franchise. I mean, yes it's Trek, but this is bad trek.
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:24:09 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wait, this picture >>62706 is not a photoshop?

People weren't kidding when they said this is GoT in space. Except GoT is a competently made show with lots of competently written characters.
Guinan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:45:55 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No it's not, they showed Klingon ring nipples in the last episode and it was gross
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:00:39 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And to think that Star Trek was always very sex-positive, and had so many attractive characters, conventionally and unconventionally.

We could have seen Archer go to town on that sexy space slug.
Grand Nagus Zek - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:48:19 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>the only thing about his character is that he's gay, that's it.

I have been calling him "Dr. Gaybeard". I am all for inclusion but inclusion of stereotypes is a step backward or to the side, not forward. Show me the unattractive gay bear dudes or something. I don't know.

Looking back can we call Blaxploitation "inclusive", or was it simply a different form of racism? Or what was it? Whatever it was, that is what I am saying Dr. Gaybeard and Lt. Sassygay are examples of.
Guinan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:26:27 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lol Dr Gaybeard

I just keep thinking about the part of the last episode where he's yelling out gay mushroom man's heart rate like everyone can't see it on the GIANT ASS VIEWSCREEN
Kessick - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:21:40 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.62734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Lt. Sassygay

>Dr. Gaybeard
Chairman Koval - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:41:18 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know I used to mention exploitation movies of the various genres and some dude who collected movies and knew nothing about them used to ask me as if rhetorically "Who was being exploited"

The audience. It's always the audience. You either give them a high concept proposition they can get their head around immediately, or you play into one pre-existing in their head. There is no other way.

At least there wasn't in the 70's. We've completely moved on from selling people a known quantity to get them interested.
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:26:06 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not enough honor.
Would not fuck.
Crystal Form - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:39:07 EST ID:+W9kASwG No.62774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A warrior...is ready to make love to any female.
Ardon Broht - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:02:16 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Voyager was retarded as fuck.
But Voyager still had a few (not many) redeeming qualities. The fact that it still followed the star trek episode formula was one.

This show is even more retarded and has no redeeming qualities.
Legate Turrel - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 02:35:05 EST ID:CqzmvBTm No.62778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
man I was so excited for a new star trek because in my head there was no way they could make something as bad as ENT...

I sometimes wish to go back to those naive, blissful days
Ardon Broht - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:58:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62783 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Never underestimate how out of touch and incompetent studio execs can be. I know that now.
Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:12:44 EST ID:QoVHPC4I No.62784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Let's just shroomjump all the canon issues to a new galaxy, never to be heard from again by any federation race. Delta quadrant wasn't far enough, what about like, Andromeda?

That wreckage field was all the extra forehead that somehow came with them in the jump because they're actually mycelial poop or something. The Klingon's *don't* discuss it with outsiders.
Tom Paris - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:01:24 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62785 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Black culture was being exploited. That is why it is called Blaxploitation. Don't strain yourself moving those goalposts.
Noonian Soong - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:44:47 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>blaxpoitation was the only exploitation

Except it wasn't. Blaxpoitation means exploitation films focused on the African-American community. The genre already existed. Exploitation films are simply cheap, low-brow flicks of the grindhouse variety. It's a genre that drew viewership by virtue of being scandalous. The term "exploitation" comes from them exploiting trends, niche genres, and lurid content, according to Wikipedia.

It's also a very American genre, and art films with transgressive content were shown in grindhouse theatres alongside shitty B flicks because they couldn't be seen in regular theatres due to politically correct content restrictions. And that's the clue to the entire exploitation genre: They are, as a rule, transgressive films that were unwanted by the people in charge at the time. They were also often films that took advantage of momentary trends in the public consciousness, and were cheaply and quickly produced before interest faded again, which is what gives them the name.

You're the one moving the goalposts, here.
Chairman Koval - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 12:18:29 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean, to be exploited on the merits of legendary coolness and Kung Fu badassery is almost like propaganda in your favor.

Hell, Foxy Brown is also exploiting the amazon valkyrie women's power shit too. That's to tantalize feminists, because it's empowering as well as men, because it's fucking hot. See: Wonder Woman
And then there's all of the shock value. As much as they could afford
The Blaxploitation angle of it isn't actually that big a piece of the exploitation pie. It's not dominant.

The "Black culture" they were exploiting was kind of fair game. Somewhere like 70% on a scale of minstrel shows to Roots. The target demographic was significantly black people so they're cheap and cheesy but mostly not very harmful I think.
They're packed to the rafters with stereotypes and shitty tropes but I'm not Anita Sarkeesian and blaxploitation really wasn't bucking any trends among the B-movie category in that regard.
The most fucked up thing about them is that they were the only way for a lot of black actors to get into film. But several of them became American icons over it and they knocked those walls down.

You know that Ashton Kutcher Steve Jobs movie? That's an exploitation film.
And on the subject of exploitation and American icons. I leave you with a final two words:
The Re-Animator From Beyond
Jeffrey Combs
This is still a Star Trek board goddamnit
Chairman Koval - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 12:53:17 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Ashton Kutcher Steve Jobs movie
Here's a riveting read: The production company that made Jobs.
It was also bankrolled by Five Star Institute which is a Real Estate trade association.

Anyway this is some exploitation by the purveyors of today's b-movies. They're big enough that you've heard of these movies, but you also heard they were shit.
The shock value is in Ashton Kutcher's disgusting performance, and the gore is on hold until such time as Steve Jobs becomes the CEO of disemboweling Ashton Kutcher in hell.
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:27:46 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62795 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Is that like shark jumping?
Guinan - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 17:27:38 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pretty much.
Dr. Reyga - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 17:34:32 EST ID:HjEWNhp9 No.62797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Star Trek vs Dolemite will never happen
Admiral Patrick - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:00:43 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Set phasers to funky!
Katherine Pulaski - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:16:21 EST ID:+W9kASwG No.62806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Watch out Doleminte! That klingon is gonna whip your ass!

Admiral Patrick - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:43:08 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel like this now needs to happen.
Boq'ta - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 00:19:28 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Shaolin Dolemite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij_K1pa5ZtI) indicates that editing RRM footage into existing works may provide worthwhile results
Mot - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 03:19:20 EST ID:MPRGSb/f No.62833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does anyone else think they jumped into the mirror universe?
Dr. T'Pan - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 05:41:11 EST ID:XGn3ESOo No.62835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
CBS said the mirror universe will be featured in season 1 so my guess is they are gonna spend a 2-parter in the mirror universe, hell maybe even 3
Now this is CBS's real chance to show if they can be creative. Possibilities abound.
Mobara - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:38:43 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62836 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Still waiting for a dead ass show tomorrow magically improve, I see.
Prinadora - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:06:19 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yup, symbolic nb
Belongo - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:05:11 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yep. My bet is that they are in a Mirrorverse.

The problem is gonna be how they depict it. I am guessing that the wreckage they come across is the Anti-Discovery. Which lost some battle or something. Not sure where it goes from there, as space is vast and you would think they could just find some place to hunker down for a few weeks until they figure out how to deal with Gayshroomer's massive OD on Space Shrooms. Also, with their weird "two-part" season, is this an entire story arc of "we need to get back home," or just a two or three parter? Mirror shit is gonna get old if this is an 8 episode long grind. They need to start pumping out bottle episodes and stop with these long arcs. Even when TNG did their whole "Borg arc," they had lots of bottle episodes in between the longer multi-episode Borg episodes.
Molly O'Brien - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:36:31 EST ID:sp732iEf No.62843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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so did this really happen because holy shit this is funny
Belongo - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:43:47 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look! Half our SFX budget shot off in one go!
Borg Queen - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:46:42 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Ryuhei Kitamura's Star Trek
Guinan - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:50:56 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Nothing personal, kiddo
Gul Darhe'el - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:11:48 EST ID:6ddPToJn No.62857 Ignore Report Quick Reply

needs japanese racing music
Trentin Fala - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 05:03:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm pretty high I took 136 microjumps of space mycelium.
Emperor Reclaw - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:01:03 EST ID:UvGUOAd0 No.62862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm enjoying it. I don't know if y'all remember star trek but it is not consistently good or thoughtful or high concept or any of the things you are judging Discovery over
Grimp - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:49:11 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You should like this new Trek show because old Trek was secretly crap and you never realized it

Why do you fanboys even think this will convince anyone? If anything, it just confirms you're the audience this show was intended for, and I'm not. If you don't think Star Trek was consistently good or thoughtful, mate, that's on you. You enjoy your new pew-pew action show. But stop telling me that I should, too, because according to you I had bad taste all this time.
Seskal - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:07:14 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62876 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Listen up Herbert you might learn something:

>Overall good product with occasional missteps


>Shit product from conception to execution.

STD is Dawsons Creek with lasers.
Grimp - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:35:36 EST ID:mL6C0n9v No.62884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just like one of my japanese animes
Legate Hovat - Thu, 23 Nov 2017 04:08:06 EST ID:HeHZTJt1 No.62906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This animation is not REMOTELY fast enough to do the number of jumps the writers put in the technobabble.
Kevin Mulkahey - Fri, 24 Nov 2017 18:55:47 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair, it took awhile to kill the Klingon Ship of the Dead....
Gor - Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:41:32 EST ID:y0XXMzWs No.62960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it me or did the writers intend to make it plainly obvious that the Discovery captain is from an alternate universe (presumably the universe they have jumped to at the end of the most recent episode)?
Belongo - Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:10:03 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.62961 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Reminds me more like playing tweaker sorc in D2. You could get 0.3 sec tele with +200 fcr.
Jack - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 17:24:05 EST ID:W434JZ16 No.63295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can't wait for sunday!
Torg - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 14:03:16 EST ID:ToOF8+r9 No.63310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
please elaborate
Captain Goroth - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:28:42 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not the person you're replying to but he just seems kinda like a generic kinda evil captain. He's got the secret experiments, he goes against starfleet at every turn. He's shown that he's very warlike. He may not necessarily be evil, but he seems very opposite to most captains, and every captain that has been the captain of a show. Plus the eyes thing kinda seems like a dead giveaway, and the fact that he prefers the dark instead of getting his eyes fixed because he doesn't like doctors or something.
Guardian of Forever - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 16:25:00 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Actually he doesn't get his eyes fixed because he views it as penance for the destruction of a ship that he was forced to engage in. Lorca is, in theory, supposed to be pretty complex in his motivations and such. The writing hasn't really filled that out yet though.
Kira Taban - Sun, 07 Jan 2018 22:36:57 EST ID:vKLXxy3+ No.63370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The post 404'ed, but I totally called The ptsd security officer shithead as being the Klingon spy.
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Sun, 07 Jan 2018 23:18:02 EST ID:r1BxwlQg No.63371 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah, but they telegraphed that like Alexander Graham Bell on a week-long coke binge. This was "Glenn gets Negan'd" levels of obvious.
Sarina Douglas - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 03:17:41 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Terran Empire is racist

5 minutes later

It seems in this universe, I, a black woman, am a very well respected captain and I am even well regarded enough that the Emperor sent me on special assignment to capture his would be assassin

At least it was better than the opener of the first half of season 1. Whens Orville back again?
Albert Macklin - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 03:59:25 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.63374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Is it even worth picking this show back up?
I saw the new episode was out and just didn't care. Is it at least pointing to a promising point?
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 04:05:37 EST ID:r1BxwlQg No.63375 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Riker directed it.

Other than that, not really.
Sarina Douglas - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 04:31:52 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't even know it was back until yesterday or today. Normally I keep up with that kind of stuff.

For me personally, yeah, I'm going to keep watching it but its not one of those shows that I'm going to make sure I watch right away or save for a night when I have the time to relax, get loaded, and really enjoy it. I'm not really excited for it but its sci-fi and its Trek at least in name so I'll continue to watch. Its slim pickins out there these days.

Its more of a just grab it and watch it whenever kind of show for me. If there were better things on I wouldn't care to put off watching the newest episode for several weeks. The thing is there isn't much out there I haven't seen so its, mostly, better than nothing.

I don't know if that helps at all or even makes sense. For some context I work a lot and, save for the 1-2 1/2 days off I get a week, am usually only off at odd hours at which point there isn't much to do but watch tv, work from home, or hang out on IRC/the internet if my situation was different I might skip it. For stuff I really like I usually save it for one of those 1/2 days off, get trashed, and chill on the couch and watch them like that. For the rest I usually have it on while I'm on the computer. Disco falls into the latter category.

Then again I did watch the full Stargate: Infinity series one day for the sake of completionism and once somehow watched like 9+ hours of curling so...
Private E Hamboyan - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:37:27 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Haven't watched the new episode, plan to tonight.

But I watched the RLM mid season catch up thing as a good recap.
KC Hunter - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 01:04:46 EST ID:zs0q/fzD No.63383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Lorca's from the Mirror universe right? Federation Lorca died with his old crew? Mirror Lorca escaped to the Federation universe and snuck his way into the Federation and took the most violent command he could find?
Dr. Telek R'Mor - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:29:13 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's my guess.
the fact that in the mirror universe he killed Burnham and disappeared can't be a coincidence. Maybe he wanted to get the discovery to the mirror universe to finally defeat the emperor. And we'll have some drawn out arc where Burnham and crew eventually leave Lorca to his fate in the mirror universe, leaving Burnham as captain.
Lt. JG Ayala - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 11:38:39 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's... not what the Defiant looks like.
Geordi La Forge - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 12:09:31 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63389 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thats also not what a Constitution class looks like.
Guinan - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:07:32 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tried to watch the new episode and fell asleep. I think I'm done with STD.
Guinan - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:07:33 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tried to watch the new episode and fell asleep. I think I'm done with STD.
Lursa - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:08:34 EST ID:/EZxsCMr No.63393 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The first thing a warlike Empire would cut down from the mainline universe designs is that weak neck section.

Stands to reason everything would look a little more like Voyager or the DS9 Defiant.
Guinan - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:02:04 EST ID:GwChYndC No.63394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Defiant is from the normal universe tho.. and it's a ENT/TOS tie in.. they decided to take random creative liberties with the design for no reason
Dr. Telek R'Mor - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:25:40 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've got no beef with them fucking with the design of the constitution in the mirror universe.
I mean you can pretty much take any liberties you want in the mirror universe, that's what makes it so dope and fly and fresh
Senator Kimara Cretak - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:32:31 EST ID:mdVmcA+X No.63396 Ignore Report Quick Reply

In TOS through TNG Vulcans were just touch telepaths. After TNG we got what I call Force Creep - the Force in Star Wars began as an intuition that gave you an edge; by the time we got to the Prequels Jedis had become gods that bizarrely seemed to be stuck in intergalactic bouncer jobs. In Trek, Vulcans have gone from being touch telepaths with a mild compass-like sensitivity to weird psychic events outside themselves to being pointy-eared X-Men.

Good writing is when flawed characters find clever ways to overcome difficult problems. Shitty writing is buffing a character with crazy powers so you can take shortcuts to suit the plot. TNG did it, too, with that Klingons-have-two-of-every-organ shit but at least that was only a bit of retarded trivia instead of something that underlined that species.

What defines Vulcans? They're logical, they're repressed and they're sort of telepathic... except in Discotrash where their brains are unlocked iPhones. It makes the Vulcans less interesting.
Senator Kimara Cretak - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:37:30 EST ID:mdVmcA+X No.63397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> Knowing the thing you write about helps. However a talented writer who is a man who has had a relationship with a man would be an asset to a writing team

Maybe. It's a hilarious irony that the better writers of lesbian fiction tend to be men.
Juan Cena - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:17:52 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.63398 Ignore Report Quick Reply

If Vulcans from TOS through were just touch telepaths, how do you explain the ending of ST3? The Vulcans weren't using physical strength to carry Spock.

As well, how do you explain what Spock did to Sirah at the end of the Omega Glory? Or, what Spock did to the prison guard in a Taste of Armageddon?

Vulcans have always been op.
Marla Gilmore - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 00:44:41 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except, as Guinan pointed out the Defiant is not from teh mirror universe. It is supposed to be from the "prime" universe so changing the design makes zero sense. Then again, what from Disco does?


I don't think so. I think he is just a shit captain. I think you're reading too much into bad writing.
Vosk - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 06:47:16 EST ID:R20CWgk8 No.63405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno, maybe short neck is just the design theme of Discovery as a series.

What I don't like is the little bend in the nacelle struts. That's very clearly established as where the design was going with the refit and enterprise D.

They're already more prominent than the Enterprise A, but the struts are already angled upward so there's no reason for it. Maybe it looks better this way on the full model?
Weyoun 6 - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:02:12 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63409 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The first thing a warlike Empire would cut down from the mainline universe designs is that weak neck section.

LOL, true.
If you look though, the model is at a 3/4 angle, so the neck section looks shorter than it really is.

Those nacelles are a serious retrocon fuck up though.
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:49:54 EST ID:MbAoUqt8 No.63410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Probably this is all about not wanting to pay royalties on the use of the original design, or some bullshit. Isn't all prime universe content licensed piecemeal, with everything else based on the Bad Robot JJfuck license?
Weyoun 6 - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:55:27 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think TOS shit is licensed like that, but the movies based on TOS are NOT licensed like that, or some such fuckery.
Guinan - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:39:00 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63412 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Okay.. that actually does make sense.. it's shitty and disappointing but it makes sense
I.G. Keval - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 15:52:32 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63414 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OK, so the 10th episode....the "pilot," for the second story arc so to speak did one of those things that pissed me off and I can't let it go by.

What is the deal with Sarru's fucking Fear Boners? They show his ganglion going off around Lieutenant Manchurian there and they just sort of gloss it over. Sarru gets his little boners up when he walks in the room and just smooths them back down like nothing.

Now, WTF? Sarru appears to be mildly psychic or something with his fear hard-ons. But, the way they are handled is like they are a handicap instead of a thing that maybe Lorca and others should notice a bit. Like, OK, I get if they go off before a battle and Lorca says, "Fuck your weird head penises! We are going in!" That makes sense. But, when they go off randomly when someone walks into the room, oh, I dunno....maybe someone should be like, "Hey, I keep getting chubbies when our security officer wanders by....something is up because these are mildly psychic mini-dicks I have on the back of my neck." The treatment of this ability is all over the place. He is either a mild psychic with a pretty fucking useful skill - "Hey, Sarru, we should go into this cave....wait...you have a head boner? OK....we should reevaluate our cave decision," or he just gets these things at random when someone he opines is dangerous comes in the room. In which case he should put his big boy pants on and start acting like an apex predator. I can't tell which from the writing. It seems to be leading us to the concept that Sarru is mildly psychic like the Vulcans used to be before they were made in Prof X level psychics. Which could be a very cool point of tension. Sarru saying, "SHIT IS GONNA GO SOUTH," while Lorca and others argue "WE GOTTA STAY THE COURSE YOU PANSY!" That would be interesting. With Sarru possibly having to WILLINGLY go into danger to prove to people that Lt. Neck Snapper is a problem. Some good cat and mouse style interpersonal actions could be had there. Instead we get this sort of half-fleshed out idea that never really drives much. Sarru has potential as a character to be very interesting. Having to go against his own nature in a crisis sort of thing. Fertile ground for Trek-style writing. Why they aren't working this harder is beyond me. Now I feel like it is just some sort of retelling of the Manchurian Candidate, but with Klingon Ring Nipples in it.
Subcommander Almak - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:51:23 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.63415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm at the point where the issues don't even phase me anymore. When that happened on the bridge I just rolled my eyes because i knew it was an attempt at obvious foreshadowing because subtlety is not in the writers language.
Commander Morag - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:05:17 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
95% of the time Saru's ganglia are about as useful as counselor Troi telling the captain the enemy has hostile intentions during battle.

The other 5% of the time they come across as a horrible writer's contrivance, because they won't explain why they work (and hence what they might be blind to). Is it empathic? Is it in Saru's head? (where using it to check the tardigrade makes no fucking sense) Or is Saru's brain hooked up to the fucking mushroom net, able to look into many possible futures and determine likely threats?

All of these are fucking stupid and that's why they should just clarify that it's empathic.

Any way they decide to go, Saru is a very specialized science officer Troi at this point. Any more than that will quickly become ludicrous so IMO just don't leave it open to interpretation, because only one interpretation isn't dogshit.
Commander Sela - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:04:32 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It does seem so contrived, and I do what >>63415 does...roll my eyes when it happens, because yeah, it is just some lazy foreshadowing mechanism that the writers push. He is like Troi, and I never liked her role on the bridge. I mean, who goes into battle with a psychiatrist?

My biggest frustration I guess is that they could make Saru (guess it is just one 'r'...) really interesting, but instead we get The Michael McMutineypants Show. You know, now that I think about it, my biggest pet peeve with STD is that it is so focused on one character. Trek when done right can shift focus and gives great ensemble performances. Sure, you run the risk of a Wesley-focused episode every once in a while, but everyone kinda gets their shot and is developed. SG1 does this well too. Orville definitely does it. STD just doesn't get that aspect of Trek. I want to find out what the deal with Saru is....I mean, here is a natural coward being thrust into the middle of a war with the Klingons. That has to have dramatic potential. Instead we get a shitty story about everyone's least favorite aspie falling in love. Still don't know what the fuck is up with the fucking Ghost In The Shell level cyborg on the bridge! At least cover that shit.

Also, a bottle episode or two would be nice.
Seven of Nine - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:34:49 EST ID:Hu7sry/I No.63418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Can we talk about how much better Terran Tilly's style is to Prime Tilly's?

I mean, she was hot before but the neuroticism was a bit of a boner killer. Prime Tilly masquerading as Terran Tilly though is just a whole 'nother level of hawt though. Plus I am sad they killed off Dr. Gay-beard so early in the second arc, I mean they could've at least developed his character a bit more, that way his death would've felt a bit more meaningful other than just the shock value of it coming out of nowhere and being so random. Waste of a good character that had potential imo
James Moriarty - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:27:48 EST ID:rgbv08ox No.63419 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Mirror versions are usually way sexier. It's a byproduct of general sluttiness and good facist fashion sense.
Liquidator Brunt - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:25:09 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63420 Ignore Report Quick Reply

But her name is Captain Killy. Mirror universe Tilly is still a fucking doofus.
A career minded backstabbing doofus. If they ever show mirror Tilly for real it's gonna be great.
Ardon Broht - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:47:16 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah the death was lame and it just felt like they're trying really hard to be Game of Thrones. And now that he is dead you can tell that his entire existence on the show was just to give him a tiny bit of development so that they could expend him for that cheap shock value.
General Martok - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:29:55 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Apparently he isn't really dead for good At least that is what the word on the street is.
Krax - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:51:27 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Prediction - Killy will show up and challenge Tilly, and Tilly will end up having to kill Killy. You know they will do it.
Guinan - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:32:46 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also Evil Dr Sassygay will join the crew, but will be an edgier, more harass version of the dead one

..my nexus powers predict this.
Guinan - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:08:06 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Harass as in he will sexually harass everyone and when he first shows up he will grab Staments by the dick, and say "this belongs to me now."
James Moriarty - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:47:56 EST ID:rgbv08ox No.63428 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think you have it backwards. I predict he will be a closet case, maybe a zealot too. Seems like the kind of cornball thing this show would do.
Bernardo Calvera - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:54:21 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63429 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Oh god can we get insider dirt on his contract?
Robert Wesley - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:42:39 EST ID:05xXm7Fp No.63444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Almost 24 hours since the latest Shit Stain Discovery aired and no one has anything to say?

Gor - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 01:57:33 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I came on last night and then checked back a couple times today to see if anyone had posted anything on it.

I started to post about it but found I had nothing to say. Just more of the same shit.

Though I shouldn't have been surprised I couldn't believe they went with the insta-freeze when you're spaced bullshit.
Mezoti - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:36:35 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude, they have a warp drive powered by magic mushrooms...reality was left in the dust long ago.

Man, even as a slave Saru is a bottom bitch....
Nevala - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:16:25 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>they went with the insta-freeze when you're spaced bullshit.

That's not what that is. If you got spaced you would pass out in moments and you'd be outgassing water vapor from just about every surface of your body.

This is from someone with a fever, whose hands and face were steaming this morning when I stepped outside.
Nevala - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:18:47 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Additionally, evaporative cooling would really fuck up your eyes and fast.
Lon Suder - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:02:52 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.63455 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This show is BADASS. Everything is bigger, including the guns.
Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:29:44 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dr. Denara Pel - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:30:18 EST ID:EWDiVpiX No.63460 Ignore Report Quick Reply

People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

Trek is dead.

At this point you either need to embrace the camp (jjtrek and disco), rerun the same plots with slightly different costumes (orville, and probably trekantino), or do a significant reboot that builds a more plausible universe but with the same ideals. I think JJtrek was right that Trek needs a reboot, but the implementation was trash. It needs to be more significant. They just need to rip off the bandaid and rewrite the whole universe... piss all the fans off at once, but start with something more plausible.
Vosk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:16:38 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>but the implementation was trash.
No, it was fine. Trek 2009: A whole new timeline full of promise and anything could change. A WHOLE NEW WORLD HOORAY!
JJTrek 2: Wrath of Fucking Khan, but terrible.
Star Trek Beyond: The best movie in the franchise can no longer save the franchise

The worst thing is, I don't even think JJtrek 2 was even a studio-meddling affair. I think Orci, Kurtzman and fucking LINDELOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfuck you had that bright idea all by themselves and just circle-jerked it to conclusion. Then JJ fucking LIED about it.

This kills the franchise
Dexter Remmick - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:46:07 EST ID:N/hc1a2f No.63462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah, reboots are lazy. Go boldly where no man has gone before or go home.

Why not just go forward? The federation could face new kinds of existential threats when it absorbs two whole quadrants and can handle the borg (which still needs addressing). There'd be cold war with the dominion (who can probably project more force for the size of their empire) and trying to befriend the romulans to handle. Then there's the war with the sphere builders to cover. Or not because we've been there already.
Vosk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:50:44 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because the creator is dead and that's just a different way to cram in shitty TNG cameos. It wouldn't change anything.
Dexter Remmick - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:15:26 EST ID:N/hc1a2f No.63464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>creator is dead
Didn't stop DS9 being good
Gul Darhe'el - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:17:20 EST ID:klCEJxca No.63465 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Because that still leaves you in the exact same bind. You either recycle plots that make fans feel cozy but that do nothing new creatively, or you try something new and have fans tear you apart for every inconsistency (in a universe that's already inconsistent).
Corporal F Hawkins - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:26:08 EST ID:X7zdSdse No.63466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>inconsistency in my star trek?
How many people do you know that shit on DS9 or TNG because they stepped on the TOS canon? No one even remembers or cares about the things they retconned. You're making a flawed argument. Of course the only options are to either do something old or do something new, there's no other category. But being true to the spirit of something and doing something new with it are not actually mutually exclusive ideas, it's just the film and TV industry has completely lost the capacity to do it correctly.
Gul Darhe'el - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:55:26 EST ID:klCEJxca No.63467 Ignore Report Quick Reply

At the time? I was too young to remember tng, but lots of people disliked ds9 at launch saying it was boring or didn't feel like Trek. I also remember people saying it was only launched to keep b5 from gaining ground.

I can only really speak to the opinions of people I knew personally though, because damn culture was different and not as connected back then. My hunch is if ds9 was launched today, there would be forums full of fans who are upset by most the decisions.
Vosk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:10:52 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It didn't make Voyager good either.
Gul Darhe'el - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:28:06 EST ID:klCEJxca No.63469 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Didn't mean damn, autocorrect.. Was going for "fan culture"

But it works too nb
Lwaxana Troi - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:28:48 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

The difference in my mind is what we actually know. Niven's work is a good example here since he is a hard sci-fi author. If you read ringworld or some of his other early works there are some physics issues and things that are just wrong because we don't know that much about it. By the time the second Ringworld novel came out MIT had picked Ringworld apart and put it back together and Niven updated his work to be more accurate.

We know what spacing does to someone. There is no reason to fake that bullshit. It would actually have more impact if they would have show the real impact of spacing and would certainly have been something the Terran Empire would do considering the death is pretty horrible. They way they portrayed it in the show they might as well have just removed them from the stream mid-transfer.

The mirror universe on the other hand is something we have had since TOS so you just kind of go with it. We also have no idea how parallel universes or pocket universes work in real life yet or even if they exist so it is much easier to suspend your disbelief. With enough universes out there there could easily be one like the one portrayed in the show. It may turn out that it is actually easier to go to other universes if they are similar to ours rather than one completely foreign or that the mirror universe is just the most easily accessible one from the prime timeline.

As for multiversal fungus and giant waterbears well, its just fucking stupid, is brand new, and fucks with the established timeline which puts it into a completely different category than something like the mirror universe.

>At this point you either need to embrace the camp (jjtrek and disco), rerun the same plots with slightly different costumes (orville, and probably trekantino), or do a significant reboot that builds a more plausible universe but with the same ideals. I think JJtrek was right that Trek needs a reboot, but the implementation was trash. It needs to be more significant. They just need to rip off the bandaid and rewrite the whole universe... piss all the fans off at once, but start with something more plausible.

Trek does not need a reboot, it doesn't need to be STD or JJ, and it doesn't need to rerun the same plots. What Star Trek needs, and what pretty much every fan wants, is for Trek to move forward. Rehashing the same old shit in a reboot is dumb, putting a new series in between a series from 2001-1966 in 2017 is fucking stupid. It just fucks with the continuity and doesn't work.

We should be post Nemesis. That doesn't mean we have to be directly post Nemesis either. We could easily be fucking around with transwarp and exploring Andromeda a few hundred years post Nem. Then you have brand new content that isn't bound too much by established cannon, can use the updated things we have today, and can be fresh without being a reboot.

Star Trek isn't "dead" because there is no room for new content or because its become to convoluted its because STD is trash and JJ was trash. There is still a ton of potential there but they are going about it the wrong way.

>Because that still leaves you in the exact same bind. You either recycle plots that make fans feel cozy but that do nothing new creatively, or you try something new and have fans tear you apart for every inconsistency (in a universe that's already inconsistent).

Its not an either or scenario. There wouldn't be inconsistencies if you didn't reboot the franchise(JJ) or create a show in 2017 set 10 years from a show from 66 that is nothing like what it was 10 years later in universe.

If you move forward then there isn't a whole lot you can get slammed for consistency wise because you aren't trying to bridge ENT and TOS. You just move forward into a new era with the timeline intact.
James T Kirk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:36:13 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>or you try something new and have fans tear you apart for every inconsistency (in a universe that's already inconsistent).
The major difference with a sequel that consistency becomes much easier to satisfy.
I can't really tell why the obsession with prequels in films and shows is anyway. Supposedly writers can be lazier in the world-building department. No need to imagine a whole universe just pick anybody with a certain experience and tell them to write a script for X.
William T Riker - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:33:38 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So yeah, here is the thing though....JJ had to do a reboot and shoot the same shit as TOS, because that is what the money guys felt was safest.

Finance guys are the biggest reason we get rehashed shit in our media. They don't want to take a gamble. They want as sure a thing as possible. So they go and do some rough math and figure, "Well, The Wrath of Khan did so many million. We could probably make this much off it globally then. Known quantity. Do it!" And they pour hundreds of millions into these films. I mean, films cost a fucking fortune. Even an "indie," can hit $8 million. Shit, The Room cost $5 million back in the late 90s or whatever. These guys demand "safe" properties since these are investments to them, not works of art. So we get more shit like Baywatch : The Movie (remember, that show was literally world-wide and made a ton of money,) because nostalgia is a safe bet. Things like, I dunno...Phantom Thread, which costs a lot less, I am sure, have to struggle to get made because of this shit-tier capitalist engine driving Hollywood. Fuck, the only ones who are making decent shit seem to be the streaming services, and that is because they are funded as tech companies and on a different model than the Hollywood studio system.

PS - 2017 was one of the shittiest years for movie attendance. We all stayed home and watched Tits and Dragons instead of Explodey McTransformer Pants - THE IMAX 9D XPERIENCE!
Greer - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 11:56:05 EST ID:TWSDe718 No.63475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

Anything can happen in the universe EXCEPT in every universe you sleep with the same people at the exact same time in order to conceive the exact same people in. So if Michael Burnum is really dead in the mirror universe that means Michael Burnum in the main universe never has any children OR they've both had a child already. So I think that she isn't really dead because I think that Burnum is the great great grandmother of Reginald Barclay who, in the mirror universe, is the Terran responsible for aubergine powered body cloaking devices.
Ikat'ika - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:10:22 EST ID:EMmSH5tK No.63479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>bad finance people
As a finance person I think the general large scale mass media model of taking the laziest route is not sustainable. A good accountant looks at sustainability. By not putting anything back, you're not only failing to improve society but you're causing people to be bitter and cynical and make less and less effort. Eventually they get so shy of being stung they stop buying tickets and use their money for other things.

But lazy short term profit drives a lot of capitalist industry.
Tavek - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:16:27 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But hey, you made a fast buck and got to ogle some tits at the casting call!
Cyrano Jones - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 19:17:10 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watched the Pilot, have some thoughts.

On the visuals, they are too busy for me. It seems like everything so over-designed that it looks more like a high-tech version of 40k then Star Trek, which always to me, was nicely understated in much of its looks. The seemingly religious reverence for lens flare is also worn out its welcome, back in the rebooted Star Trek movie.

Characters? Seem good. Bit worried the show might start bending backwards for Michael but that's not happened, and that's just a worry from how I've seen other main characters done in Star Trek. I also don't like that she seems to be the only focus, but that might because we're doing a build up to Discovery proper, and the new crew.

By far my biggest problem is the setting. How in the fuck does ANY of this fit pre-TOS? In DS9 holocommunication was literally invented (and scrapped) in the middle of the series and here its just casual tech, before as far as I know, the holodeck even bloody exists! You also have Michael's backstory which is so fucking shlock it was banned in Fan-fiction! Then you have the mammoth continuity problems that this show is going to cause. You think Worf, a fairly religious Klingon might have said something about a religious sect attempting to reunite the houses, claimed to have the reincarnation of Kaheless (Which, again, doesn't seem to have been a thing for Klingons) and had radically different ideas on the treatment of bodies?

I'm so sick of TOS naval gazing in Star Trek. Almost all my major problems could be easily solved by setting the show post VOY/DS9 (it'd easily explain the radical shift in behavior in the Klingon). Just more big corporations jerking themselves off and playing it safe.
Lwaxana Troi - Sun, 21 Jan 2018 17:49:59 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You also have Michael's backstory which is so fucking shlock it was banned in Fan-fiction!

This seems like it might actually be true...

Yeah, the holocommunication thing bugs the fuck out of me. Just use a tablet with a screen. Better continuity and you don't blow $53,000 per scene just on render farm time. Also, the point to point transporter system. WTF? That was TNG's thing. Their "tweak" to the system so to speak.

And the new Baroque Klingons make no sense at all. Not only are they physically really different from any Klingons before (when did Klingons START growing hair? Apparently Worf's great-grandfather looked like a different species....) but they seem to be torn between being a domineering race of war mongers and putting baroque detailing on everything they own because I guess they wanna feel pretty? Seriously, they look like Klingon drag queens with all the frippery and gilt. Klingons have no need for bling.

Anywhose....I'm rambling because I am high....Even with my bitching, I kinda like where it is going with the Mirror Universe. Capt. Killy especially.
Enabran Tain - Sun, 21 Jan 2018 23:48:51 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63528 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>This seems like it might actually be true...

Strange new worlds, the Star Trek fanzine had an original stories section, and one of the hard rules was no OCs could be secret or lost relatives to canon characters
Major Rakal - Mon, 22 Jan 2018 02:28:03 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It took seeing Stamets stuck in the mycellial network or whatever with his mirror self to realize that actor is a total miscast. I guess I was just giving him slack early on because we weren't given a lot to work with characters wise, but he does not fit at all where they put him.
He seems like a decent actor, but he doesn't feel right for chief engineer. He kinda feels like he'd more belong as some alien race. Maybe some quirky Andorian ambassador that shows up every now and then, kinda like Shran. Idk, he just doesn't feel right on board the Discovery. And when they try to use him as comic relief, it really falls flat.
Just an other thing to add to the endless list of bad judgement calls on behalf of CBS. I'm kinda inclined to believe they put him on the cast for some other reason besides his merits, because he feels like they shoved a square peg into a round hole knowing it doesn't fit.
Jaresh-Inyo - Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:54:00 EST ID:iM6s/QmO No.63533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh shit why are so many of the fan theories true?

AshVoQ was super foreshadowed in addition to blatant fake IMDBs. But I honestly didn't expect mirror Lorca to be the case

Anyway, a few episodes from now is when I would have liked the pilot.
Terran Empire looks so goddamn good. For all of its faults and its slow start it has always been gorgeous.
Ulis - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 00:12:11 EST ID:51Oyzcxc No.63534 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Called it!

Puts the crew in an interesting position. Next few episodes will be all about which devil to trust?
Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 02:27:31 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, I called Mirror Lorca in the first episode he was in. And people called the Tyler thing right away too. Even though I didn't have high expectations for this show, it's still disappointing how easy it was to spot from so far away.
And when they explained the whole eyes thing I kinda rolled my eyes. How does that make any sense?
In the mirror universe are humans nocturnal or some shit??

I've known for a while that this whole arc is gonna lead to Burnham becoming the hero by defeating Lorca and taking command of the ship. If that's the case, then this is a really fucked up version of Starfleet where Burnham can be pardoned by a maniac and go on to captain a ship. I really hope this isn't the case but I don't see where else they'll take it.
Liquidator Brunt - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 02:57:46 EST ID:w1DwAzMe No.63536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This is prime Landry. Only an MU occupant would think trying to cut a claw off something that rips through hulls would go well.
Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 05:55:49 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're right. Considering her cult like dedication to the captain, it seems like she has been with him since the mu
Latha Mabrin - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:04:23 EST ID:EWDiVpiX No.63539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Kelpiens.

So apparently we know they're rare in the Federation universe. In the Empire universe (sexyverse) they seem more common, probably because they're being bred for food. I hope season 1 ends with them shuttling a couple thousand Kelpiens back to the Federation universe. Only because...

Kelpiens are a prey animal. Which probably means they breed like rabbits. I hope season 2 is basically "The Trouble with Kelpiens" where the Federation is completely overrun with fear ganglia.
Latha Mabrin - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:15:51 EST ID:EWDiVpiX No.63540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also I think it's hilarious that Michael ate a kelpien. Like 10 minutes later she's admitting that she's federation anyways. She feigned disgust, but you can't convince me that she wasn't just curious and put off her reveal for a few minutes so that she could try it.
Beverly Crusher - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 19:08:56 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She ate the fear boner.
Youngblood - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 19:13:42 EST ID:Kcfp5gZm No.63545 Ignore Report Quick Reply

She's been staring at it for years, waiting for her chance. Not quite a secret cannibal, is "sapiovore" the right word?
Legate Kell - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 19:47:16 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I even liked the twist, but I get the impression that they haven't necessarily planned for that from before the pilot.
My theory is they have written it after fan backlash over Lorca's missing Starfleet ideals.
Beverly Crusher - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:51:52 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno...I just read an IO9 article that makes a good case for rage quitting the show after that big Lorca reveal. We were told Lorca would show "another aspect of Starfleet." That he was darker, more violent, but that is because of the war. Instead, we got Mirror Lorca. Which is sort of a fucking cop out. Basically, we were promised some subtlety and the line between Starfleet's military and exploratory missions, and instead got rehashed TOS concepts. Lorca isn't some hawkish Starfleet officer, he is just an evil dickhead. Not cool.
Li Nalas - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:49:50 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its really starting to feel more and more like a shitty Star Wars knockoff, and given that Star Wars is already shit, thats fairly fucking low.
Herbert Rossoff - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:18:51 EST ID:G1MPXKb+ No.63553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The STD Mirrior Universe looks like John Carter.
Natima Lang - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 00:36:12 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't bring that hate to Barsoom.
Guinan - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 04:13:05 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63575 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey guys I guess they killed off Lorca but I wouldn't know for sure since I stopped watching
Minuet - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 14:11:14 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.63578 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You know, for all the shit that this show is getting, at least it's not TNG Season 1 bad.
Ardon Broht - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 14:33:05 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only episode in season1 that I'd say is unforgivable is Code of Honor, really.
Ghee P'Trell - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 14:55:41 EST ID:TinR0Zso No.63580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>clacking intensifies
Tora Ziyal - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 15:15:05 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Angel one is far worse. Code of Honor is only legendary bad because it had a racist director who decided the advanced aliens were obviously backwards black folks.
Admiral Alidar Jarok - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 15:32:02 EST ID:roap8Q8/ No.63583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Unless you're a fan of the themes and values that made Star Trek Star Trek. Then it's much, much worse.
General K'Trelan - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:08:39 EST ID:zLdK3mw0 No.63588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I don't get all the Discovery hate on this board. Every Trekkie I know IRL likes Discovery. I think it's waaaaay better than Voyager or Enterprise ever were on their best days. You guys are just so set in your ways. Come join us normies in 2018.
Ambassador Shras - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:34:08 EST ID:NEpUYAaQ No.63589 Ignore Report Quick Reply

pick one.
I.G. Keval - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 03:50:44 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Saying it's better than ent or voy is opinion.
It's definitely not better than ent but maybe slightly better than voyager. But voyager still wins because it actually is "trek" instead of some generic sci fi show on a starship that threw everything out the window so that it could be Game of Thrones in space.
DaiMon Tarr - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 05:00:48 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At this point its been beaten to death many times over but thats how I see it. As grimdark sci-fi its slightly under average however this isn't some generic sci-fi show its fucking Star Trek and in that regard it fails miserably.

nb because same old, tired arguments from the STD fanboys
Weyoun 8 - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 14:26:20 EST ID:kYb6aaGt No.63595 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>nb because same old, tired arguments from the literally everybody.
Private E Hamboyan - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:03:05 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It's definitely not better than ent but maybe slightly better than voyager.

But VOY was better than ENT. Is this some rock paper scissors thing?
Curzon Dax - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 08:06:02 EST ID:dq5kUGfE No.63603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A Barsoom TV show with that aesthetic would be pretty fucking cool, tho, and I think I would love this series if that's what it was. Give the Green Martians the new Klingon look, the Red Martians the new Terran Empire look, and adapt a novel for each season's arc, and there's a pretty good Game of Thrones in Space.

I haven't watched Discovery yet, but I'm not offended by its style or interpretation. I'm just not interested enough in it to pay or otherwise try to seek it out. I think each Star Trek has been a reflection of the times in which it was produced both in content and art direction. TOS was thoroughly a product of the 60s, TNG the late 80s/early 90s and so on up to Enterprise expressing, and being greeted with, a post 9-11 weariness. If STD is as soulless and cynical as its critics make it out to be then it's following in that series' tradition if no other.
Dr. Reyga - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:02:56 EST ID:nCcVoj5C No.63605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Okay, here's the deal. The second half of Discovery is much better than the first.

At first it just felt like they were stringing everyone along, drip feeding the fulfilling character moments and real trek shit at such a low rate that it's hard to blame Trek fans for losing interest and cancelling their subscriptions.

I just spent 3 fucking days in the hospital with BBC America and I can definitively say anyone who thinks Voyager is better than this has fucking brain damage.
Miles O'Brien - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 19:59:10 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think you might need to stay in the hospital.
Tokath - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:51:24 EST ID:3r8RpAYl No.63608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All the more reason to hold off watching it. If it greatly improves then an All Access subscription becomes worth it for Trek alone in a season or two; if it ends prematurely it'll join the BBC America/Heroes & Icons rotation.

Voyager is an easy punching bag, but it had some episodes that rank among the franchise's best. Its biggest sins were inconsistent writing and the fact that it didn't run with its concept enough (Maquis/Federation tension, lack of resources, etc.). It played it safe, but it carried the torch and anchored the fledgling UPN. Discovery is gonna be punching up at it for a while.
Senator Kimara Cretak - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:34:07 EST ID:oX5Fh7++ No.63609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am beyond sick of retarded fanboys chiming in with pointless stupidity. Nuke this cancer and split off into a Discovery hate thread you fucking sycophants.
Senator Kimara Cretak - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:58:25 EST ID:oX5Fh7++ No.63610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Voyager inconsistent writing
Voyager has the most consistently bad writing of any Star Trek series. And it knocks all the others out of some kind of park.
Ishka Moogie - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:00:39 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its funny that the people defending std on the internet are always the ones to get angry and vitriolic.

If your delicate sensibilities can't handle your show being criticized then stay off the internet or at least away from where people are discussing it. Every other show gets criticized so why should we ignore the glaring issues? Because you're trying to ignore them?
Q - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 10:44:22 EST ID:HeHZTJt1 No.63612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're not critizing. They're shitposting. You can't criticize a show you aren't even watching.

Just lay off the easy shitposts. The traffic on this board is too low to support them.
Guinan - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 19:42:25 EST ID:iPNYm98/ No.63617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not a good show. Don't get upset when people don't like it.

Imagine this analogy. Let's say a beautiful El Aurian chick with a sick hat just starts bringing you these delicious drinks.. each one is great! The first round is amazing, the second might have even been better than the first, and the third too.. but then the fourth round had some drinks that tastes weird, and others that were just disgustingly sweet.. the fifth round had almost no synthehol nor alcohol to be found.. they were stingy and mediocre. Then this amazing bartender does the unthinkable and ignores you for an hour. When she finally returns she brings you drinks made from vinegar, piss, and kool aid powder. Because of the kool aid powder they are REALLY COOL COLORS, they are just great to look it at.. but they smell awful and taste even worse. You're expected to just drink them all up because you haven't had any service for so long, but the truth is absence never makes the heart grow fond enough to pretend the ingenuine article is the real thing.
Senator Vreenak - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 21:30:19 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.63620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It was a funny shitpost but no. I've seen lots of straight up criticism but how can you blame someone for shitposting? We've been over the issues millions of times. It's dead. I'd prefer a funny shitpost than nothing. Multiple episodes have gotten zero response here because there's nothing to say any more.
Commander Donatra - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 21:48:34 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey now, I've been watching this show week after week and let me tell ya it and Enterprise are absolutely worse than Voyager.

My man definitely needs more time in that hospital.
Tora Ziyal - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:16:11 EST ID:oX5Fh7++ No.63622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You know why Enterprise is better than Voyager? There's less of it. In Guinan's cocktail analogy, Voyager is 70% flavorless Leola root water, and I've seen every one of them. There simply are not enough good episodes proportionally to make a splash or an impression or a memory.

For all of Discovery's faults I remember it. It has an actual flavor. It is not a bland, nothingburger leola root.

Voyager's crime of endless blandness cannot be glossed over or forgiven. It was overwhelmingly a bunch of hack writers spinning their wheels writing filler episodes. Voyager is so much filler that it hardly has an identity. Nothing could possibly suck more than that.

Voyager is the fucking american Office of Star Trek. Endless fucking filler. It's like Star Trek: Insurrection on a fucking loop. Enjoy your brain damage retard.
Minuet - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:03:42 EST ID:R1asCdOf No.63623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Voyager is bad so that excuses Discovery being bad.
Guinan - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:11:46 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>v'gr pwnt

Gotta admit though, I loved every Voyager episode that had anything to do with the afterlife, Barge of the Dead & Coda, for example. Or the one where Harry Kim got cocooned into another dimension or something.. or where Janeway goes on some weird acid trip journey to like save kes or something stupid. There were certainly juicy bits in the voyager cocktail, but like the marshmallows in a knockoff version of lucky charms, there were simply not enough of them to make the mix palatable
Commander Donatra - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:27:01 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Enterprise was so bad that it got canceled sooner than Voyager, therefore it's better than Voyager.
Species 8472 - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 02:58:10 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wew lad, you don't want to get me started on Burroughs. There is so much potential there. Caspack would make an amazing series. Beyond 30 aka the lost continent would make an amazing miniseries with an option to make a full series after that if they want to expand on it which they could easily do.

Barsoom would be the best but hardest to do. Its pretty much checks all the boxes and Burroughs created a wonderful, diverse, expansive world so it would never get dull. You'd really have to have fans working on it though to really capture the spirit of it.

I also kind of feel like while the transitions from Carter's stories to his children's would be somewhat well received the transition from the Carter family to Ulysses Paxton would piss a lot of people off. Still there is plenty of material to work with without Paxton.

As much as I would love this I just feel like they would fuck it up and that is a shame because if done right I think a lot of people would love it.

I've been let down too many times on Barsoom films to have any hope that they would do it justice but I hope it happens. Its just begging to be made into a series.

Of course I am a little biased since Burroughs and Barsoom in particularly is one of my top writers/series though Larry Niven will always be number one for me.

Speaking of which Niven's Known Space is just begging for a good adaptation and I think if done right it could spawn a franchise larger than Trek. I know Ringworld miniseries is in the works from HBO and I'm hopeful but that doesn't even scratch the surface of what this universe could be if done right. I would blow the Marvel TV/movie franchise out of the water.

Tales of Beowulf Shaffer series, Gil the Arm procedural, Ringworld and Of Worlds films, Man Kzin Wars anthologies and more all tied together to weave a wonderful story that could be enjoyed standalone or as a whole. I want thins more than anything.


kek agreed.


If it is the subscription holding you back I would be more than happy to upload previous episodes and all the new ones as they air in whatever quality you guys would prefer.


Much better isn't saying much at all. Half a pile of shit is still shit. Voyager at its best is far better than STD at its best and at least VOY felt like a real trek show.


This is a discussion thread not a STD fanboy safe space. All discussion is allowed and its overwhelmingly negative to the point where no on is even discussion the new episodes. Not because we aren't watching but because there is nothing to say that hasn't already been said a million times.

I'm beyond sick of all the STD fags whining about people not liking Battlesstar: Michael Burnham and getting butthurt when everyone doesn't circle jerk the show. If that is what you want hang out on plebbit.

Make some new arguments that haven't be beaten to death and perhaps you might get some decent discussion. Most everyone agrees that VOY wasn't great but its nothing compared to STD plus what kind of fucked up metric is that?


>They're not critizing. They're shitposting. You can't criticize a show you aren't even watching.
And what do you call what you are doing?

Also, many of us are still watching hoping against hope that it gets better at some point. There really isn't much else on at the moment and since I recent finished a completed my 6th full rewatch of the franchise as well as a rewatch of my other Sci-Fi classics there aren't really better options. Its decent enough for what passes as Sci-Fi these days but its certainly not a fantastic addition to the Trek franchise.


Nailed it, Guinan. I'm 100% open for discussion as long as some effort is put in to it. At this point if they are just going to keep coming back with the same arguments then I'm just going to redirect them to the threads where its been answered 100s of times. Why should I put effort in when they don't?


And there is a perfectly valid reason why Voyager is what it is. STD doesn't have one. They had a great base to build off of, a gigantic budget, plenty of time, and all the other series to build off of but somehow they managed to fuck up pretty much everything. STD has no excuses considering how bad it is.

What do you call your posts if not shitposts? They bring nothing to the table. Why do you expect us to rehash the same shit over and over for your benefit when you can just reread the thread and the previous thread and have every snide remake you make BTFO?

>You know why Enterprise is better than Voyager? There's less of it.

Except for the fact that it is widely accepted that ENT was getting much better in the last season or two. If it had gone for a full 7 season I think we would have a much different view of ENT.

>For all of Discovery's faults I remember it.

Hmm, maybe because the first season hasn't even finished airing yet.


>Voyager is bad so that excuses Discovery being bad.

Pretty much sums up STD fans. Not only is it a terrible argument but it also shows that even Disco fans think its bad and for all its faults VOY is still Trek. STD is not.


Just Nutrek fans being Nutrek fans. They have no logic. They are basically Pakleds.
Curzon Odo - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 23:04:32 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.63633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that modern remake shit syfy one bugged the fuck out of me
you could so easily change out "he was chased into a cave by injuns" to "he was chased into a cave by islams" and there, that's all you needed to do
Chulak - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 23:48:04 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are you talking about John Carter or Princess of Mars because that is exactly what they did in POM and it was even worse than John Carter.

Its really a shame because its so perfect for a show and with HBO losing GOT and picking up a bunch of sci-fi I think it could do very very well. The world building in the series is amazing, there is plenty of material to go for a dozen seasons easy and still be fresh, its got action, adventure, sci-fi, a bit of fantasy, lots of great arcs, a love interest, pretty much everything and could pull in a ton of people if done correctly. The characters and villains in each story are so varied nothing would feel old or rehashed. There is just so much to explore.

Since, aside from Carter being from the civil war, everything takes place on another planet with no other humans it really doesn't even need updating. They could go book by book and not have to change anything really just stay true to the original series and I think a lot of people would be really into it.
Curzon Odo - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 00:33:50 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.63635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think the thing I saw had him back at base and they injected him with some shit or something and then he was on mars
Furel - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 06:33:37 EST ID:VyKE5J0Q No.63636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The STD look would also have been good for a Mass Effect or Halo adaptation. There are dozens of properties new and old that the STD mood and look would have fit better, but the Trek name is money. Trekkers being the type of fans they are, we came into Discovery wanting to like it, and whether or not they couch it in humor or insults aka "shitposting," folks are mainly just disappointed.
Dejar - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 09:36:44 EST ID:a0fcmUHf No.63637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Voyager would have been cancelled after two seasons in 2003.

>for all its faults VOY is still Trek. STD is not.
Just keep telling yourself that. Judge it by this gelatinous standard of "trekness" instead of how watchable or memorable it is.
You don't care if it's any good at this point. That much is clear.

What's more, if I wanted to see all these same arguments and shitposts I could go to the 1995 usenet archives and read them about Deep Space Nine.
Lursa - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 11:30:07 EST ID:Sfpyqiu1 No.63638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Voyager would have been cancelled after two seasons in 2003.

What are you basing this on?
Chakotay - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 13:52:52 EST ID:qidxkwNh No.63639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The fact that nobody's fledgling network would have been relying on it, for a start.

The difference between Enterprise getting cancelled and Voyager going on for 7 years wasn't anything to do with quality. It was entirely to do with studio politics. Enterprise was always going to get fucked.
If they swapped places Voyager would have been cut even faster. Enterprise barely got a third and fourth season as it is.

The fact that all the spinoff shows took a quality dive in season 2 only to become good by season 3 or 4 simply isn't okay anymore. The old American studio method of churning out episodics full time doesn't fly anymore. All of the old Trek we know was characterized by that method of production and it simply does not work anymore.

Deep Space Nine was the only one that tried to change it and Voyager and Enterprise went straight back to the old episodics. It was completely untenable and you will never get that back.

Meanwhile, if you took DS9 (or Babylon 5 for that matter) and cut 75% of the filler, you've got something that fits into a modern format.
That's clearly what Discovery is trying to be, and the "It's not Trek" arguments are as pointless and terrible as they were when everyone was saying the same shit about DS9.

The main difference being that half a season of Discovery is shit, while the first two and a half seasons of DS9 were pretty shit.
Icheb - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 16:57:29 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.63640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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you sound like shit, enterprise was doomed because 9/11 in space.
also going back in time and rewriting the show is never good. it ruins the nostalgia, and makes the world less immersive.
this is coming from someone who watched tng, ds9 and voy as they aired. It was a little weird but they continued with the world and that is what made them trek
Former Gul Rusot - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 20:29:31 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I disagree. Sorry, but someone making a prequel (I guess STD and ENT are both prequels to TOS,) doesn't automatically fuck shit up. It can be done well and with finesse. It isn't like Trek didn't fuck with continuity like CRAZY. I mean, how much retroconning went into DS9 going back to Tribble Times? Shit, they even glossed over the fact that Klingons went from dark guys who could use an eyebrow threading to some guy who looks like a giant barnacle is fucking his forehead. So, your argument in this regard seems a bit weak to me.

I will though say that they need to be more careful about continuity in STD. They sort of fucked up Klingons in a serious way. I get that they were in a rock and a hard place situation with the Klingon "look." I mean, JJTrek Klingons at least look mostly like TNG---> on Klingons. A few minor changes. STD Klingons are a whole new bag. That was a mistake. They should have at least made them TNG Klingons instead of these weird hairless pangolin looking fuckers.
Guinan - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 23:28:03 EST ID:YgZcIPNC No.63642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
9999 big laffs
Gor - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 04:04:36 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's POM. John Carter is much much better than POM and somewhat truer to the novel however it is still not that great. They could have done a lot better.

>Trekkers being the type of fans they are, we came into Discovery wanting to like it, and whether or not they couch it in humor or insults aka "shitposting," folks are mainly just disappointed.

Very well said. I gave STD more than a fair shake and I still watch it with the hopes it will one day improve however doubtful that might be. If it wasn't Trek I would have stopped watching already. I didn't want it to be as horrible as it is. I desperately wanted an awesome new Trek show. That is not what we have gotten. At least there is STrville.

>the first two and a half seasons of DS9 were pretty shit.

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Guinan - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 10:11:09 EST ID:/e1QJGKj No.63644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You have shit taste if you don't like the early seasons of DS9.
Corporal F Hawkins - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 10:31:53 EST ID:qidxkwNh No.63645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's retarded. DS9 is the only Star Trek series that has ever survived 3 weak seasons, and the only one that ever will.

I didn't wanna realize trek fans are garbage, but you're garbage. You put your shit on a pedestal and you can't see the reality of it anymore.
What's more you inherently overvalue TNG era and undervalue TOS without even realizing it. The demographics of nostalgia in here are very clear.

Meanwhile it didn't bother anyone that The Orville was lifting specific Trek plot points a la carte.

Basically, you saw Star Trek: Into Darkness and now you all think getting over your shit is optional, that's the lasting damage JJ, Kurtzman and Lindelof did. and BTW all Trek movies have been shit since Generations props to First Contact and Beyond for being less shit than the rest

Anyway back to the Klingon war tonight. Get ready for S1 of Discovery to wrap up on a weak-ass note everybody.
Former Gul Rusot - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:44:21 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Get ready for S1 of Discovery to wrap up on a weak-ass note everybody

How many more do they have to go? Like 5 episodes? Less? Seems like just enough time to build yet another story arc (BOTTLE EPISODES YOU FUCKERS!) and have it end in a big old cliffhanger.

Only to see that cliffhanger never resolved because STD gets canceled since it didn't make CBS All Access 9999 kajillion dollars like the executives promised.
Corporal F Hawkins - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 18:04:44 EST ID:qidxkwNh No.63647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>How many more do they have to go?
Senator Tal'aura - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 22:33:36 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There goes my dream of an STD bottle episode....
Admiral Cartwright - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 11:03:52 EST ID:qidxkwNh No.63653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Game of thrones could have used a bottle episode or two. Sam and Jorah in quarantine just talkin about things.

But they don't really write good dialogue on that show so much as they select good dialogue from the books so maybe it's better that they just skip shit and never let the timeline settle.
Senator Tal'aura - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:06:37 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meh, I see the two shows as different beasts. GoT was pretty much already written and just had to be adapted to TV. STD is a blank slate. No expectations (except those of the fans.) It makes more sense for GoT to lift dialog (and Martin is a great writer who used to do some TV writing so....yeah...lean into your strengths.) STD on the other hand wants to BE GoT, but doesn't have the solid writing behind it that GoT does. That series is what...20 years old. And was crazy popular the whole time. STD has a different setup in that they have to write something out of whole cloth while respecting the what...50 year old Trek traditions, but not having the benefit of a solid, successful, book series supporting it.

Writing for GoT seems more like it would be like walking across a steel bridge. Good support beneath you. STD on the other hand is more like a tightrope walk where there isn't as much below you and you better not step out of bounds.
Douglas Pabst - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:55:24 EST ID:a20ixVln No.63658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I laughed out loud when it was revelead who the new captain was gonna be. It sure wouldn't be Saru for long.
Jonathan Archer - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 17:30:01 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well they preemptively renewed it for season 2 then made a big deal out of it.

They basically announced it for the sole purpose of giving the impression that All Access and Discovery's numbers were doing well.

I imagine they will break even. Best case scenario they will make a measly profit and some execs will be really pissed.
Senator Tal'aura - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:36:50 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is the second season a done deal or can it be canceled? I just know that there can be a gap between what the studios say and what ends up happening. And the very early renewal worries me. That IS the kind of thing that ends up requiring you to do an "oppsie," on. Unless they are already shooting season 2. Which, maybe they are. In that case expect maybe half a season before the CBS execs realize nobody wants to pay for All Access for one show that only has like 16 episodes. What else are you going to watch? I hear even their popular content is missing from what should be a massive library of CBS content. But, from what I hear, even popular shows like The Big Bang Theory only gets the last 5 or so episodes on AA and that is it.

I dunno....in the end knowing how stupid executives can be, and remember these are people who think golf is not only fun, but a sport....I just don't see them not crapping their pants when STD doesn't make AA the next Netflix.

Which is a shame. That is too much to hang on any single show. And I worry that the execs will start fiddling with STD just to make it "get more views." Next thing you know, Evil Lorca is back and this time he hilariously solves crimes with an adorable talking baby!
Jaro Essa - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:54:42 EST ID:Njd1jzAG No.63665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fun fact back in the CBS.com streaming days they were advertising Star Trek: Enterprise which is when I watched it.

They had none of the season finales. I had to pirate them. CBS isn't good at streaming.
DaiMon Tarr - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 23:09:37 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
AA is doomed. They may try to keep it going for a bit but I think its inevitable unless they wanted to ditch cable completely and move 100% of their shows to AA which I don't see happening. Even then I'm not sure it would be profitable enough to keep.

With STD being their only exclusive show I think it will either get cancelled or moved to regular TV. Of course the viewership is probably going to suck then because the first 2 seasons(at minimum) were only broadcast through AA.

Even if STD was good I don't see it working. At least with Stargate Command you only have to pay a one time fee and then you get unlimited access to all their content old and new.

>Is the second season a done deal or can it be canceled?

I think it is a done deal. It was announced before the first episode even aired IIRC, Netflix is paying CBS enough for intl rights to cover the costs of the show. Unless it gets markedly better I don't se it lasting as long as ENT. They might get 3 seasons but I doubt it.

I just hope it doesn't kill the franchise for another decade.

>I worry that the execs will start fiddling with STD just to make it "get more views."

I think that is what they did from the beginning and why it is so bad. I hope they realize how much they fucked it up and make a lot of changes going forward.

While unlikely maybe they will go back and reset the timeline and erase the first season, starting fresh, or the season will end with an instructor at Starfleet Academy saying "End Program" leaving Burnham sitting in a chair in a empty room revealing it was all an exercise and continue from there.
Groundskeeper Boothby - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 08:11:43 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I imagine it could be cancelled. They probably just said that to boost confidence and boost sales, because confidence in their streaming platform has been abysmally low.

Yeah they will definitely be crapping their pants. And execs will be very pissed at whats his name, Les Moonface, who is in charge of this all.

I think what it will come down to is Les Moonface pushing to double down on season 2, making promises of it getting better and more sales, vs investors and execs saying "no fuck you, you fucked up, we're done"

I think the doubling down is more likely though, just because Star Trek is such a valuable name. They're not gonna get a big cash cow like this again any time soon.
Corporal R Richards - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 16:30:05 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It makes sense for the insignias on the Starfleet uniform to be dog tags in the mirror universe, but it irks me that in the "prime" universe they're dog tags.
Starfleet is not supposed to be a military organization. Why would they have dog tags unless they were? I don't like that in this iteration of Star Trek they've just totally dropped the facade and are full on imperialist symbolism. It's like they decided to totally disregard all the principles in favor of being warlike. Only two times can I think of that they've made a point to even discuss Federation principles. The first was when they were talking about the sentient planet, which they totally fucked up that one, and the second was when Burnham was preaching to mirror Georgiou.
It's just totally missing minus the hollow speech that Burnham gave.
Mezoti - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 17:49:34 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I disagree. There have been other references to the civilian/military divide. Stamets comes to mind. He had, fairly early on, a hissy fit about how he just wanted to study space shrooms, so go fuck the military side. Then, you have the whole reaction to Voq/Ash from Killy...I mean Tilly...in the mess hall at the last episode was pretty much a giant shout out for Federation Tolerance. Likewise, Saru hits on a bunch of Federation Values shit when he gives a speech about how Lorca is no longer one of them, but an imposter.

That said....I think you have a point in that they seem to have "buried" these tidbits of what the Federation really is, and that other iterations of Trek would have/could have outright stood up for these values in a more direct fashion.

One thing that is hard to sort of "remember" here is that this is pre-TOS Trek, not post-TNG Trek. TNG demilitarized Starfleet in some serious ways. Kirk was far more of a military man than Picard. Shit, Picard was flying around with whole families on board. In that regard I think STD fits the Trek timeline better.

I do have an issue with the total drubbing that the humans are taking in STD. It seems to me that this leads us down a path fraught with canon-breaking events. This is a mere what? Five years before TOS? And all of a sudden Earth is scarily close to be wiped out by Klingons. Three space stations have been destroyed and one taken over. It starts to feel like something that doesn't fit in terms of TOS. Nobody in TOS was going, "Hey, remember just a few years ago when we almost were all made Klingon slaves? And we lost like 90% of our territory? THAT WAS FUCKY!" I feel like the situation is literally being made too dire to fit into Trek canon. I dunno, I post these while high, so I am certainly rambling.
Beverly Crusher - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:40:26 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah I may have forgotten a few tidbits but in general what I mean is that to me, it feels like they're not even trying to soapbox about starfleet. At least not like they did previously.
It was always there in the background that they're a military organization. But they made a big effort to be philanthropical kinda, and to be the good guys. In this it just seems so blatantly obvious that it's very militarized.
It just kinda feels like the facade of America has been lifted and now it's just all out in the open. Because tha'ts how I've seen the Federation, as a symbol of America. We were the good guys in a way, but in the background we've always been imperialistic. But now it just seems like they're not even hanging up the curtain to hide it anymore minus a few brief mentions, where previously it was heavily shrouded.
Seems like a petty thing to nit pick about but to me it makes the show feel a lot more cynical than it should be.
Douglas Pabst - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:49:45 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh, yeah, the new show is far more cynical. Definitely a deliberate shift in tone. Cynical = CASH in TV now.
Subcommander Almak - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 13:40:47 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're reading too much into it. The federation is just a silly what-if scenario some old hippie came up with.
Benny Russell - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 18:41:20 EST ID:ZBzcw/Bu No.63713 Ignore Report Quick Reply

everyone called it grimdark for a reason
Weyoun 6 - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 20:56:59 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sorry but that's a dumb statement. Is that your way of giving CBS slack for totally messing up the show?
Maybe if The Cage was the only Star Trek episode in existence I'd agree, but obviously it became much more than that once it evolved.
Homn - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:10:29 EST ID:s4UbnmLy No.63718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Oh, yeah, the new show is far more cynical
Not in the sense that most media are cynical, which is this one: "concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them."

Yeah, because the beginning of the plot and character development was slave to the overall story arc, which left us with no interpersonal character development or feel-good shit until the plot allowed it later on.
That's why the beginning of the series is so much worse than the later half.

Trust me, any imperialism this show is alluding to, it's doing so through the mirror universe empire. It's honestly just trying not to be so fairy tale black and white as every other Trek besides DS9.

But basically the original rumors that it was gonna be one story arc per season were wrong, they're totally not doing that idea, because they can't balance a season long story arc with the fundamental elements of Star Trek. Like letting the bridge crew say things so the Sulus and Checkovs of the show can get their tiny bit of character development in and build on it over time. Like not having all characters with blatant contempt for each other.
You all remember STD for the early stuff and how shitty that was. I see it as a series that really came together, and then ended immediately after. Overall it doesn't leave a good taste.

Too much fucking build-up, not enough payoff.
Colonel Lovok - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 02:32:18 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.63719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've generally been enjoying the mirror universe episodes.

>dat Sarek goatee
Subcommander N'Vek - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 12:21:13 EST ID:cVeP57wQ No.63723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Some people are unfit to succeed in the mirror universe.

Where's your fucking goatee EMPEROR Georgieu? Fucking mainline universe impostor. Calling it.
Guinan - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 15:36:10 EST ID:eFUmqNsU No.63726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Her goatee is between her navel and her bagina
Jake Sisko - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 23:06:10 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well at least its over now. Hopefully we see a lot of changes in season 2. Oh wait here comes the Enterprise

Goddammit, why?
Kimara Cretak - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 04:41:05 EST ID:CzoP/iRU No.63794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Discovery Enterprise looks pretty good but the way they're animated is still full retard Babylon 5 manual uncanny shit.

It's not a crazy anount of work compared to the CG artistry to model the thrusters and impulse engines and come up with some baselines so they don't end up looking like two miniatures on strings animated.
Kazago - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:42:21 EST ID:Hu7sry/I No.63798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Y'know, now that the first series is over I can honestly say that it wasn't all that bad hahah. What did you think Anon?

The appearance of the Enterprise at the end just made me shake my head in solemn contemplation as to how they're going to shit on the canon in the next series...
Admiral Maxwell Forrest - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:45:07 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63804 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Because fuck you that's why.
I'm serious, there is no other reason besides this message: Hey Nerds, this is Jar Jar Abrams I've taken hold over this Intellectual Property and never letting it go.
DaiMon Nunk - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:41:24 EST ID:a1D88iS3 No.63805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Shitty episode but an okay first season.
Commander Donatra - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:29:23 EST ID:k6p5ZTt+ No.63806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So what's the point of Discovery so far? The best Trek episodes generally had something to say about something. Since this series isn't episodic I guess it's more fair to judge it by the season, so now that the season is over what was its message?
Admiral Maxwell Forrest - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:55:24 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>so now that the season is over what was its message?
Eating tide pods might not be a bad idea.
Seska - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:30:39 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.63808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>what was its message?
Sometimes people are assholes. Some people learn not to be assholes, some will not. Kill them or Place a bomb under their house as a show of strength and your power over them because they're fucking Fallout 3 savages.

Or if they're Harry Mudd you just need to outsmart him and he'll go the fuck home.
Liquidator Brunt - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:31:47 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
THIS! So much of this!

Is saw the end and was like, "Yep, there goes the canon! Everyone get ready for a massive shit to be taken on TOS!"

Jesus fuck, it's like watching a drunk guy on a slack line. "Oh, he's going...no...wait...this will be O.K. And he just puked himself."

STD had its moments. It really did. There was potential too. They just needed to get off of Burnham for two fucking seconds and let the others shine. Do some bottle episodes instead of this long story arc thing...

But that shit at the end? That was too much.
Also, how the fuck are they going to show the interior of the Enterprise without having it look as weird as fuck anyway they do it. Do it TOS style and the interior looks dated as fuck compared to Discos sleek lens flare attracting look. Do it some other way and just make all our fucking heads explode, because Jesus Fucking Christ stop redoing classic shit. Just leave it alone. This is like when Lucas went back and added CGI lizards and "remastered" the Death Star exploding. Everything was great the way it was, please don't take a giant digital crap on it.
Senator Tal'aura - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:56:20 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.63812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wish I hadn't read that spoiler. Does it at least look the original or is more like the JJ Enterprise?
Lt. Darien Wallace - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:01:01 EST ID:k6p5ZTt+ No.63813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It resembles the original more than the JJPrise, but it's still wrong as hell.
Tora Ziyal - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 03:09:08 EST ID:j0rcL8cb No.63818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
as soon as the emotionless black girl whose only acting skill is making a furrowed eyebrow expression was announced as lead on this show i knew it would be shit. then i saw previews, trailers, and it looked like shit. now you are all telling me they are shitting on the enterprise and all of my suspicions are confirmed. i will probably never watch this pile of shit.
The Doctor - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 03:12:28 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's nowhere near as bad as I expected. At least it has the classic deflector dish. It's grey and greebly, and they added some unnecessary shit to the nacelles, but it could have been far worse. Maybe it'll get a white paint job for some reason?
Albert Macklin - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 03:26:36 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.63821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's really not bad. It's just really weird with Discovery lighting. The iconic red is there but there's also a lot of blue coming off the nacelles. Dominant blue is the JJprise look.

It borrows a lot of 1701-A elements to increase the detail but overall it looks a lot more like the original than the 1701-A.

I think the neck is short, or fatter, and that's what bothers me the most about it. But it looks essentially right.
Albert Macklin - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 03:30:31 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.63822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Some fan render for reference.

JJprise looks completely fucked up because it's the size of the Enterprise D. The Discovery model shits on JJprise.
Albert Macklin - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 03:44:55 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.63824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Clip. I think the animation is lame AF. That Enterprise seems much too nimble
Natima Lang - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 04:24:30 EST ID:KWMipBWa No.63825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It can only be considered "not bad" because the JJprise exists, though. It's still very off. The ship's look in the during this period has been established. Once you get away from that it's either not the same ship, or the refit that made it look like it did in The Cage was almost as extensive as the one done in-between the show and The Motion Picture.

The nacelles, struts, Aztec detailing, Bussard collectors, deflector dish, bridge module, and neck should all immediately stand out to a fan. The window on the bridge module is also different, but that's a modular piece.

This is just the beginning, though. What's gonna really fuck people up is when they show the inside.
Albert Macklin - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 05:03:41 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.63828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Cage model is different from that. The bussard collectors have nipples and the iconic reds are missing. It straight up looks worse because it's the pilot model and The Csge makes very poor use of color compared to the classic look of the original series.

But those improvements are fine right? And in no way might this be an extension of that line of aesthetic development right?

Now they dudn't ever show this because models are expensive. But there was totally an imaginary version of the pre refit original enterprise fitting the TMP aesthetic. I.e the enterprise but less obviously tubes with cutouts and doodads.
And this concept was developed further into the TMP refit.

Seeing how they did nothing weird with it but add TNG blue nacelle glow, and try to marry the motion picture aesthetic with their own it looks right. Almost like if they'd had ILM to make high quality models back in the 60s.

The klingon ships all look like trash still. Nobody can take that away from you.
DaiMon Torrot - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 05:52:28 EST ID:1ap2q4EY No.63831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The Cage model is different from that.

No it isn't. The pic I posted before is indeed The Cage model, nipples and all, fresh out of the box. I'll call it The Menagerie model if you'd prefer. Pic related is the 3-foot model, and that's Gene Roddenberry showing it to Jeffrey Hunter who played Captain Pike.

>But those improvements are fine right? And in no way might this be an extension of that line of aesthetic development right?

I already allowed that the ship could've been refitted between The Cage and Discovery, though I put that backwards before. The TMP refit already established that this is a Ship of Theseus situation. Either that or the neck, nacelles, various hull features, and struts can stretch and shrink as necessary.

>Now they dudn't ever show this because models are expensive. But there was totally an imaginary version of the pre refit original enterprise fitting the TMP aesthetic. I.e the enterprise but less obviously tubes with cutouts and doodads.
And this concept was developed further into the TMP refit.

Drawings aren't expensive. Surely someone conceptualized it if the design was later reused, and I've never seen those drawings. Regardless, "imaginary" ships aren't canon.

>Seeing how they did nothing weird with it but add TNG blue nacelle glow, and try to marry the motion picture aesthetic with their own it looks right. Almost like if they'd had ILM to make high quality models back in the 60s.

The Motion Picture look didn't exist in the mid-2250s. And again, the way the ship looks is established. The Remastered TOS episodes rendered the ship after the model, and the Enterprise episode In a Mirror Darkly shows the Constitution class Defiant that's identical to the TOS Constitution class aesthetic.

>The klingon ships all look like trash still. Nobody can take that away from you.

When did I say anything about the Klingon ships? If you're a fan of the show or this amalgam Enterprise abomination they made for it good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that the ship looks wrong.
Jal Culluh - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:07:35 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It's really not bad. It's just really weird with Discovery lighting.

What the hell, if you just take the engineering section, the saucer section and the nacelles maybe, but the struts are bad, real bad.
Some idiot just couldn't stand sticking with skinny struts of even thickness like the original model.
Oh and "would have done it this way if they had cgi" my ass. Like above DS9 and the TOS remaster were able to produce an authentic looking rendering.
It's just to piss us off at this point, it would have cost them nothing to just stick with the original geometry.
The Doctor - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:17:20 EST ID:kI1ks3sd No.63842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So for those of us who quit watching at the 'mid-season break' would someone summarize the second half. I'm curious but not curious to watch this shit. What I've picked up so far is:

  • ship lands in mirror universe
  • Tilly is captain or something
  • sets are even darker
  • Lorca is dead
  • mirror Admiral Noodle is super evil
  • bastardized 1701 shows up at the very end
Tekeny Ghemor - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:18:10 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.63843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The Cage enterprise also looks like shit because it doesn't have internal lighting.

It's actually not imaginary, it was half built.
They started building a Phase II model. The secondary hull and saucer are pretty much exactly what the Discovery model looks like while the nacelles are a hybrid between the round original design and the refit look and TNG lighting.

It's more rounded without being as smoothed out as the eventual Motion Picture model. They really locked in that 70's rectangular nacelle design early.

>but the struts are bad, real bad.
They're a little big, but they were never going to look right in the reverse three quarters shot they used on Discovery. It's much better than that diagram they saw in the mirror universe with the bent struts.

>TOS remaster
No. They just remade the exact model in 3D. The point of the remaster was to improve the effects around the ship. The only improvements they made to the actual Enterprise were in lighting.

>"would have done it this way if they had cgi"
No they would have done it that way if they had professional Industrial Light and Magic to outsource it to instead of having to build the models in-house between November and December by three people.
ILM and its competitors can do a great deal more in two months with a design than the original Star Trek model crew.

Those models they built are the reason TNG looks so good (it's not the awful Lightwave CGI behind them, as you can tell because Babylon 5 looks like shit.)

Anyway, none of these are the "Established look" of anything. They're symbols and tokens standing in. Each series has its own established look (Even if it's borrowed from TNG)
Porthos - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:20:29 EST ID:fy/Qp6+b No.63844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Have we got a name for Burnham yet? I know we have:

Dr. Gaybeard RIP
Lt. Sassygay
Adm. Noodle
Cdr. Fear-boner
Cpt. Killy The only char whose name isn't silly because Tilly gives us all a hard willy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I'm thinking Specialist (Spt.?) Burny-sue, or something of that ilk...
Porthos - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:23:51 EST ID:fy/Qp6+b No.63845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Betterer version

10,000 hours in mspaint i'll have you know

Jal Culluh - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:37:42 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Anyway, none of these are the "Established look" of anything. They're symbols and tokens standing in. Each series has its own established look (Even if it's borrowed from TNG)
That's fine and all, but not if they want me to think they showing me literally the same object the NCC-1701 with no suffix Enterprise I am familiar with. Different lightning is fine, nooks and crannies that only show up on HD are fine too, hell even a different paint job for all I care, but not a different 3d geometry.

If they don't want to do that then they shouldn't write it as if it were the same ship.
Even JJTrek is more respectful of canon in that regard...
This is along with Klingon double nostrils the worst infraction to actual Star Trek Canon as of yet.
FUCK their "artistic" expression, if they want to do an "interpretation" they should do a Batman film or something.
Corporal Chang - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:43:59 EST ID:xuXoFwbP No.63847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It's actually not imaginary, it was half built.
They started building a Phase II model. The secondary hull and saucer are pretty much exactly what the Discovery model looks like while the nacelles are a hybrid between the round original design and the refit look and TNG lighting.

Phase II didn't happen, and if it had it would've been about 20 years after the events in Discovery. Starfleet can't get design inspiration from things that never occurred or have yet to occur.

>They're a little big
More than a little

>Each series has its own established look
And throughout them all the Constitution class maintained its established look.
Tekeny Ghemor - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:46:09 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.63848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I also just noticed the bump under the drive section and I think that's for TNG-style saucer separation. Gene must have had such a hard-on for saucer separation after someone came up with the idea. It's referenced in all the guides and the writing manuals, they tried to write it in, but ultimately it's a stupid gimmick that would have cost a fuckload of money.

I really hope that doesn't mean they're going to actually use it. It's still a stupid gimmick even if it doesn't cost money.

The actual in-universe reason for 99% of saucer separation: The drive section is blowing up.
The actual in-universe consequences 99% of the time when the drive section is blowing up: The whole fucker goes up. Guess escape pods were faster, and cheaper. Oh wait nobody mentioned escape pods and everyone is dead for plot convenience.

Saucer separation is the real fucking Mary Sue of the franchise. It's the fucking OG threat ganglia.
Tekeny Ghemor - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:06:13 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.63849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>drive section
The first time I meant the impulse engines.

>Each series has its own established look
And throughout them all the Constitution class maintained its established look.
TNG and Voyager never used it.
DS9 used the original for Trials and Tribble-ations, an episode where the whole point was to insert them into a 60's TOS episode and it's original aesthetic.
If the episode were instead: Holy shit a Constitution class from the 2250s' came out of the goddamn wormhole, they probably would have used a refit model, because they'd never clash their different aesthetics so drastically.
DS9 loved it's ass some Excelsior class but it wouldn't fly to drop an Excelsior or Reliant looking model (with or without being anachronistic) into Discovery where the space shots are dark and all the ships rely on extreme self-lighting.
Corporal Chang - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:25:40 EST ID:xuXoFwbP No.63850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TNG and Voyager never used it.
The schematic was in TNG's The Naked Time, there was a painting with it, and it's part of Picard's wall o' ships. They all reflected the original design.

>Trials and Tribble-ations, an episode where the whole point was to insert them into a 60's TOS episode and it's original aesthetic.

The point was sending Sisko and company back in time. Of course it's a nod to TOS. TOS is DS9's past.

>DS9 loved it's ass some Excelsior class but it wouldn't fly to drop an Excelsior or Reliant looking model (with or without being anachronistic) into Discovery where the space shots are dark and all the ships rely on extreme self-lighting.

DS9 didn't change the look of the Excelsior. No one said anything about using physical models anyway, so I don't know what orifice you pulled that out of. The point is ships being on-model. Of course you CGI them and the lighting.

Good for you if you like the ship. I hope they bring it back mulitple times so you can look at it. It's still wrong.
Tekeny Ghemor - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:52:03 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.63851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>and it's part of Picard's wall o' ships. They all reflected the original design.
Yeah but they all look good in gold, literally a symbol and a token.

>DS9 didn't change the look of the Excelsior. No one said anything about using physical models anyway

If it's in one of the late DS9 battle royale scenes it's a CGI model of the real model.
Additionally, if it's an original Excelsior it's a CGI model, if you see a refit Excelsior it's the physical model.
DS9 used both. What they didn't use was the pre-made ILM CGI model of the refit for some reason.
Guinan - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:36:03 EST ID:1OdiWkTe No.63853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fukkin savd
Stonn - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:16:03 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not going to summarise it, but you should have watched it, because it does some things which retroactively made the first half better. I didn't really care for it after the first half-season but I found myself actively enjoying the second.

I say "should have" because you've clearly spoiled yourself so it probably won't have the same effect on you.

Hopefully it'll keep getting better. Remember what happened with ENT? A lot of "real fans" shot themselves in the foot by getting mad prematurely.
The Orville is better, but it turns out we get to have both.
Stonn - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:22:32 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I really hope that doesn't mean they're going to actually use it. It's still a stupid gimmick even if it doesn't cost money.

Why would you hope that? With any luck Michael will bravely fuck something up and destroy everything but the saucer within the first episode of season 2.
Dr. Mora Pol - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:12:12 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because they don't like the emergency evacuation separation scenario.

They like the "This enemy can only be tackled with three ships. We only brought two. This requires drastic action that can probably only be fixed at a starbase but fuck it."

And that scenario is dogshit garbage. It's the lamest aspect of Encounter at Farpoint. Also spoiler alert but the legal pressure rushed episodes of Star Trek Continues are kinda weak and the worst fucking one does a saucer separation.
Saucer separation is such a bad use of screen time, except in Encounter at Farpoint where they had a huge overabundance of screen time that needed to be filled.

I think there's something really nice about how we met the Enterprise D with a saucer separation, and then there was no fucking reason to do it again until the ship was destroyed in a shit movie.
Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:01:25 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>With any luck Michael will bravely fuck something up and destroy everything but the saucer within the first episode of season 2.

Please don't give anyone any ideas....

They are already fucking canon in the ass....
Grand Nagus Gint - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:14:33 EST ID:Fa1mUZCA No.63863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Remember what happened with ENT? A lot of "real fans" shot themselves in the foot by getting mad prematurely.

In fairness they only grazed a foot while putting Star Trek to sleep Old Yeller-style. Few people lament that Enterprise got cancelled. Most just say it improved.

Come to think of it, with the blue uniforms, pre-TOS setting, and canon bending, Discovery is like zombie Enterprise. People wanted Star Trek back as a series and their desperation has lead to this abomination.
Dr. Mora Pol - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:01:55 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think we've been over this. Everyone who's watched the second half of Discovery can probably admit it's at least a bit better than Enterprise and Voyager.
Nava - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:09:09 EST ID:rI/ks6VH No.63866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd rather watch series 4 of Ent than STD Part 2.

I'd rather watch STD than any other series of Ent, including 3, though.
Lt. JG Saavik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:31:53 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've watched the entire franchise straight through a minimum of 6 times with lots of one shots and things in between. I can say, hands down, both ENT and VOY are miles above STD.

At his point I don't even consider STD cannon. Just because something goes from a big steaming pile of shit(s1/p1) to one left to harden(S1/p2) doesn't mean its not still shit. Its still not Trek and its still not good even for run of the mill non-trek sci-fi. ENT and Voy at least felt like Trek and while they get a, mostly deserved, bad wrap they are still nothing compared to the garbage that is STD and by the looks of things I think it will only get worse.

I just hope this isn't what Trek has become now and will influential to future series.

And, yes, I watched every episode.

I don't get why you STD fan bois always have to state your BS assumptions as facts especially when the general consesus here has been that disco is bad and has always have been and at least VOY and ENT had legitimate reasons for being as bad as they were.

STD had years to develop, tons of info to build off of, and a gigantic budget and this is what they gave us. From S2 on its going to be harder and harder to ever redeem itself. I doubt their budget increase for S2, they wont have as much time writing, developing, and making the second and subsequent seasons, and its just gets harder and harder to redeem themselves and fix all the mistakes as it keep progressing.
Grand Nagus Gint - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:40:32 EST ID:Fa1mUZCA No.63868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I like how your statement gets less and less bold. You know damn well there's no way to know that. Better is in the eye of the beholder, anyway, and it makes sense to me that the type of person who'd enjoy STD wouldn't like ENT or VOY as much. Plus it's just a 6 episode arc. Let it get through a few seasons, then it can be fairly judged against its forebears.

It is good that folks preferred the half of the season that hit the reset button, dumped problematic characters like Lorca and Tyler, ducked the Klingon War, went to the Mirror Universe, hand waved away the Spore Drive, and ended with a smiling crew getting medals and giving speeches. STD moved more in the direction of its predecessors. It should've just started there and "everyone" could've enjoyed the whole season.
Stonn - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:43:52 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've seen all the treks too and one thing I can say for sure is all of it is at least 70% shit and maybe 15% gold, but everyone always forgets this and judges the new stuff against their personal top ten percent.

>I don't get why you STD fan bois always have to state your BS assumptions as facts especially when the general consesus here has been that disco is bad and has always have been
dang yeah why would someone bother having an opinion when we already have groupthink
Grand Nagus Gint - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:57:48 EST ID:Fa1mUZCA No.63870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>seen them all
>at least 70% shit

Gif related

>ang yeah why would someone bother having an opinion when we already have groupthink

You should re-read the statement you quoted. He was knocking STD fans for stating opinion as fact. Kinda like saying that at least 70% of the franchise is shit, and "everyone" knows this but forgets it.
Boq'ta - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:53:34 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> I've seen all the treks too and one thing I can say for sure is all of it is at least 70% shit and maybe 15% gold, but everyone always forgets this and judges the new stuff against their personal top ten percent.

You're forgetting that Trek has it's own metric on what's good and what not.
By production value alone DIS is pretty good actually, but that's not the metric we're judging here.

We're judging how much something is "trek" and "not trek" here mind you not how enjoyable something is to the casual viewer.

What is "trek" has been pretty decently defined by tvtropes:
>It was, for the most part, way on the happy end of the Sliding Scale of Idealism vs. Cynicism, at least partially because of its solid allegiance to the Enlightened side of Romanticism Versus Enlightenment. But it still found some sort of balance between a Dystopia and a Crystal Spires and Togas future.

By that metric DIS may not fall short in being "good" but by being "trek"
Kor - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:10:11 EST ID:wxvIFlM0 No.63872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>> how enjoyable something is to the casual viewer.
Which, it's not. Nevermind the huge dump it takes all over canon and what Trek is, although I totally agree, but it's not like it's good television even ignoring that.

It's just full of blustery build up that really never pays off, has nothing interesting to chew on but is totally shallow and full of useless 'twists', and really looks like a bunch of uncomfortable, confused people going through the motions while thinking about what they're having for dinner. The only reason people watch it is because it says it's Trek, which is why the whole notion of whether or not it is Trek is the only thing that matters about it, because in and of itself it is worthless.
Boq'ta - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:08:34 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It seems a little generic on production value alone, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I don't mind the actors, the cut or even the plot.
The failure you mentioned mainly has to do with them trying what I would call make a "Star Trek Show" which somebody who has no understanding of what Trek is would call it. Even deeper the writing doesn't want to tell a particular story but just "a story".
Dr. Mora Pol - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:18:12 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I can say, hands down, both ENT and VOY are miles above STD.

>all of it is at least 70% shit and maybe 15% gold,
These are completely accurate ratios for Ent and Voyager.

Enterprise tried to have a story arc, but the whole Xindi thing just became filler-level trash for a while. You'd pray that the next ep was filler, because at that point, the filler had become the meat.

Deep space nine did a big story arc while peppering it with classic filler and bottle episodes. TNG has a better ratio and the early seasons of DS9 weigh it down, but you can circumvent that by reading the first two season's wiki cliff notes and using that time to watch Babylon 5.

Unlike DS9 however, bab5's filler is trash peppered with important bits of plot and character development. So as much as you'd want to skip to S3 of babylon 5 you can't.
Christopher Brynner - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:39:34 EST ID:TinR0Zso No.63875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno S4 was mostly good. But the rest was probably less than 10% good. I'd say maybe 60/20 with 15 of the 20 being in the last season and maybe 5 of the 60.
Even the first 2 seasons have a few really good episodes. It's like TNG if it started in S2. It has a few clangers (if wishes were horses anyone?) quite a few mediocre episodes and a few beacons of glorious wonderment (fuck you if you don't like Duet, THAT is how you do twists) and power and it's way better than the first 3 seasons of ENT or TNG S1.
Dr. Mora Pol - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:44:58 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>We're judging how much something is "trek" and "not trek" here mind you not how enjoyable something is to the casual viewer

I've said this before. Everyone has a distorted view of what Trek is. There are several reasons for this:
The first one is good ol' bias. You like what you liked when you liked things more than you are even capable of now because you're an old cynical fuck.
Second is the overbearing dominance of TNG's stylings and hippie Gene Roddenberry influence. They made that style of Trek for 13 goddamn years and DS9 is the shining jewel that bucked all of that shit. But then there's Voyager which is just TNG slightly crossed with TOS but with absolutely no style of its own other than pioneering the transition from practical models to CGI. Voyager's weakness in this area is why the feel and the style and the format didn't develop into some greater 90's era Trek style. It played it fucking safe. Voyager is 80% TNG style, 20% TOS style.
As a TOS fan in my younger years I can tell you the style is much more varied and malleable than the impression in your head, which is TNG.

End the TNG dominance. Don't go telling people that it's "Not Trek" if it doesn't fall in line with that shit, that's the precise attitude that limited Voyager and prevented it from blooming into its own unique flower.
There must never be another Voyager.
This shit cannot happen again.
Enterprise was at least trying. We just didn't watch it because the fucking tween-bait theme song made us all vomit at first.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:37:22 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Season 4 of ENT is probably my favourite season of any Treks, while I pretty much skipped season 1. And season 3 was decent. So maybe just by virtue of being so short, this weirdly means that ENT has the best ratio of any series at 25% good and merely 50% dogshit.

Considering it's reputation, I've just conclusively proved that internet Trek fans are retards with rock-solid science.

None of us are qualified to say what a "casual viewer" would think if we're dorks enough to be arguing over what is and isn't "real star trek".

I also think The Orville is genuinely "real trek" so it's not like any of us were starving for that fix. We got our cake, ate it, and now we're complaining that we also got a pizza or whatever the fuck STD is.
Kessick - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:43:52 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Your RNG is appropriate.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:52:42 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's right. I will lead you home, nerds.
Commander Dolim - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:26:42 EST ID:hzfZdLBQ No.63881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
These idiots with their bullshit percentages and broad brush statements really say all that needs to be said about STD fans. After the season is said and done, the only thing they can fall back on is comparing the show to the two weakest canon shows.

If the show had merit surely they would've spoken it up. In merit's absence, it's "those six episodes that negated the first seven are better than early Enterprise." Good and bad are objective. The fact that the show appeals to morons and jerks is much more telling.
Silik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:34:27 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>broad brush statements
>all that needs to be said about STD fans
That was quick.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:34:29 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>road brush statements
>all that needs to be said about STD fans

>Good and bad are objective

you're a funny guy
Silik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:35:33 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally two seconds apart. Jinx!
Commander Dolim - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:37:54 EST ID:hzfZdLBQ No.63885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
*first nine

I pushed the first two out of my brain. Still working on the rest.
Commander Dolim - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:39:42 EST ID:hzfZdLBQ No.63886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's almost like idiots think alike or someting.
Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:42:21 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63887 Ignore Report Quick Reply

these two just waiting around refreshing the page, lol.
Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:52:46 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
funny how this post got two replies. like dude said. the show has no merit.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:54:51 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I for one was just cruising past after visiting another board and got lucky.

Hm. maybe everything is connected.
Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:59:57 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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if you were getting lucky you wouldn't be here on valentine's day.
Silik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:07:56 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Both comments were there by the time my post was submitted and my page loaded.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:10:59 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's Thursday, the 15th of February where I live. We're a little more advanced than your civilisation, you see.
Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:15:35 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63893 Ignore Report Quick Reply

these two still just sitting around refreshing the page, lol
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:25:40 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Checking back periodically when there's an active conversation underway, how embarrassing for me.
Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:31:46 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>~2:30 in the morning
>Checking back

how embarassing indeed. so advanced of you.
Silik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:46:15 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
These three still just sitting around refreshing the page.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:53:21 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I miss when there was an art to trolling and mere incongruent retardation didn't qualify.
Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:56:13 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yup. but only two of us are came here to post made up percentages and defend shitty trek
Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:59:37 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i miss when star trek shows weren't generic scifi that appealed to people who stay up till 3am to defend generic scifi.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:41:42 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Alright, I'm biting.

  • You're on an imageboard, and you think being awake until an entire three bells past the witching hour is somehow shameful. You must be new. Welcome.
  • You're also posting at a time which you think discredits somebody?
  • You assume everybody is in the same time zone as you?
  • I already told you I'm in a different time zone and you referenced this in literally the same fucking post.
  • You're posting painfully stale le troll face image macros from a bygone era for some reason.

In summary, you're an awful white noise poster and possibly suffering from an actual, legitimate mental handicap, so it would be absolutely smashing if you could please fuck off and never return.
Grand Nagus Zek - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:47:36 EST ID:svZDYhtL No.63902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You're also posting at a time which you think discredits somebody?
>You assume everybody is in the same time zone as you?

you're a funny guy
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:06:13 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And... you're probably the same guy if that was lost on you, which means:
  • You're also a horrendous samefaggot?
I know you won't leave, but you really should.
Subcommander Almak - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:09:06 EST ID:sZwbcXSt No.63904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Get called on your shit

Go to sleep.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:17:36 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hello again.

See, I can tell you're the same person because nobody would be defending such a shitty poster who's doing his best to ruin what was previously a good thread with white noise.

Mods, please ban and delete this whole awful comment chain
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:20:29 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63906 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Actually wait, I take it back. I thought these were new names but I was mistaken. Forget the samefag part, I fucked up.
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:23:02 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To confront the retard, we must become the retard.
Arne Darvin - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:24:09 EST ID:8QVvMsWW No.63908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Curious how your comrade disappears then you accuse others of samefagging then when you're told to get some rest you implore the mods to delete all of it.
Arne Darvin - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:26:30 EST ID:8QVvMsWW No.63909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Didn't see this one. Sorry.

Anyway, let's get back on track. Samefag or not, the point that few people responded to the post about STD's message was raised. Seriously, what was it?
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:31:26 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This whole thing has been fucking inane and I was always planning on suggesting it be snipped. I'd much rather be talking about star trek than replying to some boring tool who just wants to repeatedly accuse people of refreshing the page like that's something anybody cares about.

And dude, if I were samefagging, why would I even bring it up? I genuinely fucked up, and I've copped to it already, what more do you want.

>how your comrade disappears
So is it 3am in America or not? Is refreshing the page during an active conversation a good thing or not? What do you people want exactly
Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:33:12 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Seriously, what was it?

Pretty sure it's: >>63810
Silik - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:35:43 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
War makes people assholes. But it takes a real asshole to resort to global terrorism. Would Harry Mudd resort to global terrorism? You'd think not, but don't be so sure anymore! #StarTrekDiscovery
Q - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:05:58 EST ID:8QVvMsWW No.63923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well at least it had something important to say.
Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:09:52 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I had high hopes for Mudd, but they fucked him up. When he started killing Lorca's left and right in "time loop," episode, it was too much. Mudd was a crook and a scoundrel, but not really one to go offing people in various gruesome ways. Seemed excessive. Better yet, just avoid canon characters and stay in your own little spore filled universe.
Tiron - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:04:12 EST ID:1KnycWRK No.63925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Better yet, just avoid canon characters and stay in your own little spore filled universe.

It'd be nice, but unfortunately a kitbash calling itself the Enterprise just showed up to end the season. STD's gonna hit the ground running on fucking up canon characters next season.
Syrran - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:13:12 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
FYI everybody the license CBS got for this shit didn't necessarily include the likenesses of existing hero ships. So it's potentially a legally necessary visual reboot.

And for how fucked up the Discovery looks, and to a much lesser extent the Shenzhhou (You know it's class, It's that one that's not a Miranda. Looks like a Miranda but not a Miranda, a true staple of Star Trek background ships.) Their Constitution class looks pretty fucking good considering.

I just hope the Klingons grow hair some day. The only one with a respectable goatee was a fucking human.
Dr. Telek R'Mor - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:24:32 EST ID:TinR0Zso No.63928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is 10 years before TOS. Remember that for a long time beards were out of fashion here too and just came in. Between TOS and TNG beards probably went out and back fashion twice. If it'd been shot 10 years earlier Whorf would have had designer stubble and a fade.
Dr. Telek R'Mor - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:43:48 EST ID:TinR0Zso No.63929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>set ten years earlier
I mean.
Dr. Mizan - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:08:44 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.63930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If after months of repairing their bridge and eating corpses none of the male klingons grew any hair facial or otherwise, they ain't never growing hair.
Kor - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:47:04 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah I have no problem with the minimalist white look of TOS being a later development. That's partly out of necessity because otherwise there's no way to get there from here, but it would actually be pretty cool to see it happen on-screen.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if they do it in a totally elegant way that makes a bunch of nerds eat they feet, because I get the feeling STD is deliberately doing a lot of shit to enrage "fans" just so it can pull a fast one which retroactively justifies whatever change. That's already happened a tonne; there's a LOT of shit people were criticising early on or before the premiere which ended up making them look fucking stupid which they don't mention anymore, but I think it was all intentional bait. I think that's why there's so much irrational hate for the show--nerds keep getting stymied, which leaves the hate accumulating while the justification is lost, resulting in them becoming increasingly ineloquent and irrational. It's a whole lot like the Reality Television Star Donald Trump in that respect.

To be clear I don't particularly like STD; I don't really feel like I'm the intended audience because I'm too much of a traditional trek nerd myself, but I find this pattern amusing at least. There are rational reasons to dislike it but some of you dorks clearly have an axe to grind.
Joseph Sisko - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:50:03 EST ID:9Lm/CW9g No.63932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The only one with a respectable goatee was a fucking human.

After generations of ritualistic shaving, Ash's rebellious locks and manly beard will bring hair back in fashion on Qo'nos, and it'll spread throughout the Empire.
Trentin Fala - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:13:37 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The finale was so fucking bland and lame. I was expecting some kind of big finale but instead we got this soggy limp dick finale with no substance and pointless callbacks. "Oh my god!! It's PIKE!! Remember THE CAGE??? I remember that!!!"

It's like they're saying "hey, remember this is star trek! we can make it actual star trek if we get a season 2! maybe it will be canon this time, you guys remember Pike right??"

The entire show was an insult but the ending really drove the point home...
Fuck's sake
Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:16:16 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.63935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah, they know people don't give a fuck about Pike.

It's all about getting that Spock guest appearance.
Alternately the show just switches to the Enterprise at this point, Saru is transferred, and Michael burnham is off the show.
Trentin Fala - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:18:07 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lol it's a shitty show. "an axe to grind"

I was here defending the show before it even came out. I was saying give it a fair chance. I was saying production difficulties and rumors don't equal a bad show. I made a serious effort to not allow all the bullshit before the show color the way I see it. But it was just fucking shit. Right from the start. And if you really believe that there is nothing serious to complain about the show then you've been ignoring every criticism that has been made, because there are a lot.

I challenge you to list the ways that this show excels. Instead of pointless low effort trolling, why don't you prove your point that the show is good. How does it excel as a show in general and as a star trek show? Come on, I'm leaving myself open for you to drive your point home and make me look bad.
I bet you won't.
Former Gul Rusot - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:29:57 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I don't know what post you think you're replying to but none of that is apropos to what I said.
Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:40:15 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.63938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>low effort trolling, why don't you prove your point that the show is good.
There's a straaaaaaaaaaaaw man waiting in the sky. He'd like come and meet us but he's only in your mind.
Commander Tomalak - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:00:42 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Everyone who's watched the second half of Discovery can probably admit it's at least a bit better than Enterprise and Voyager.

After watching the second half of Disco S1, I can safely say that you REALLY needed to stay in that hospital.
Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:12:06 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.63941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol fuck off retard.
Lt. JG Saavik - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:05:33 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS: 100% trek
TNG: 99% trek
DS9: 80% trek
VOY: 79% trek
ENT: 70% trek
ST 20% trek

The thing is that STD season 1 would have made a half decent JJTrek film. Probably the best one yet, still not trek but...
At least the plot condensed into 2.5 hours would have been somewhat enjoyable
Roger Lemli - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:19:12 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So...here is what I find fascinating about STD...

The reviews are a bit all over the place.

Vulture fucking LOVED it, but their defense of it is pretty weak IMNSHO.
Outlets like IO9 were more "meh," about it and called them to the carpet for some of their crimes.
Trekkies overall seem to be pissed about all the continuity busting they did, as well as the deviation from standard Trek format.

Personally, I am sort of "meh," about it. I don't hate it, but I wish they would stop fucking around with the standard Trek formula and shit so much. Do some bottle episodes for one. Get off Burnham for five fucking minutes and develop the other characters. And stay in your own patch of the Trek universe. No need to go stomping on canon every five fucking minutes. You can just have references to canon shit, but none of this meeting a Pike captained Enterprise. That would work. I think they could get a really tight series out of it too if they did these things.

Anywho, in an effort to be more positive, here are some things I liked about STD...

Saru - First off, despite the weird fear boners, the effects for Saru are pretty good. And Doug Jones does a good job of being alien enough. The way he walks even is pretty weird. His hands sort of float at his sides. Really good work by Jones. Sadly, I think he was underutilized in the scripts as his struggle with instinct vs the need to make hard decisions should have been explored more. I sort of felt like him being captain for that brief time would have been a good place to sort of be like, "So, the guy is a born coward, and now he is captaining a Starfleet vessel. How does that play out?"

Sarek - The actor who plays him does a good job of being a Vulcan. They need to lay off the "super psychic," shit and go back to mildly psychic Vulcans, but I get the feeling the writers only did that shit to boost Burnham's character. Overall, this Sarek is a good Sarek.

Stamets - Liked him best when he was clashing with Lorca over the Science vs Military aspect of Starfleet. That should have been explored more. The writers sort of failed in that regard. But, I think the character has potential.

Now in regards to plots and shit, I like the concept of the Federation being torn two ways during war. The sort of peacenik side of Starfleet clashing with the more hawkish side. The various series touched on this before. I feel like they biffed the whole concept though with the big twist. Why can't Starfleet have officers who are assholes? And needed assholes because they know how to fight well? Anywho, I like what they started going for.
Trentin Fala - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 16:13:21 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh wow I should stop posting when I'm high off my ass.
Burt Ryan - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 16:36:27 EST ID:nCcVoj5C No.63951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Really good work by Jones
Doug Jones is the Andy Serkis of practical effects body acting. The Warwick Davis of tall skinny fucks.
Nurse Jabara - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:33:32 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's great. It's just a shame that his role is so god damn boring and under utilized. Like all that work to get into the character and make it feel authentic would be so much more appreciated by me if his character wasn't basically just there. Now when I see his arms swaying behind him I just think about how much cooler he could be instead of realizing how much work and effort Jones puts into the role.
Nurse Jabara - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 02:59:46 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Midnight's Edge: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 Rumors and Speculation

The subscriptions number look pretty bad.
Commander Tebok - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:01:57 EST ID:9Lm/CW9g No.63955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Season 2 will be about winning back fans and reconciling canon.

>"Incoming transmission for you, Mr. Spock... she says she's your sister."
Dexter Remmick - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:07:23 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You pick THAT Gif, and not the one of Spock smashing his computer with his fist in Amok Time?
Commander Tebok - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:12:00 EST ID:9Lm/CW9g No.63957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Saving that for when the episode where they meet.
Montgomery Scott - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:21:04 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.63958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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but why, why would they fuck this up even worse
Thot Pran - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:28:09 EST ID:jLCr1o8J No.63959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mfw STD is shit
>mfw The Orville is the ideal Star Trek. You may not like it, but this is what peak Trek looks like.
Prinadora - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:46:31 EST ID:nCcVoj5C No.63962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The ideal Star Trek is one that can just rehash previous Star Trek ideas in different combinations with optional dick jokes.

It checks out. You're a typical Star Trek fan.
Rionoj - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:34:16 EST ID:r+GhCPDQ No.63963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They'll set out trying to unfuck it, end up making things worse for another season or two, and then, in a hasty finale, reveal that the whole show was a Bendii Syndrome hallucination of Sarek's, who secretly regrets never having a daughter.

I hope STD pulls it together, actually. It would follow a proud tradition of Trek shows tripping over their own dick before settling in and getting good. Besides, if it tanks and Tarantino Trek sucks, it could be another Enterprise/Nemesis-esque one-two knockout combo that ices the franchise again.
Major Rakal - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:12:28 EST ID:nCcVoj5C No.63964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>It would follow a proud tradition of Trek shows tripping over their own dick before settling in and getting good.

See this is my problem with Discovery hate because barring TOS this is precisely how Trek has worked ever since and the standards it should be held to follow a curve that starts almost exactly at how bad Discovery is with the obnoxious early episodes and building up more than it ever pays off. The first time Discovery really showed us what it could offer wasn't until episode 5 with Harry Mudd in the episode where he isn't an obsessed deranged murderer.

Honestly I think that was the biggest problem, that The Orville was well into starting to develop its characters, and for the better part of a month Discovery hadn't really even begun to. That's a lot of the reason The Orville felt right while Discovery didn't.

But the Orville needs to cut the shit too. The number of times they just stole a plot or concept from Star Trek and didn't put a spin on it or parody it is too high, and even if nobody ever gets sued over it, at this rate by season 3 they'll deserve to be.
Rionoj - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:28:56 EST ID:r+GhCPDQ No.63965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's bad in different ways than other first seasons, though. I get STD hate for a few of the reasons already given. Canon, era, aesthetics, mood.

That Midnight's Edge video suggests they're going to try to make good with fans and reconcile all the inconsistencies in season 2, and that's what I am hoping STD pulls together. If they keep down the path of shrooms, hairless Klingons, and grimdarkness then kill it now and let's wait to see what QT's got in store.
Worf - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 23:12:31 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Enterprise/Nemesis-esque one-two knockout combo that ices the franchise again.

True. The investor's that fund these huge productions expect a lot back for their investment in a "known property." You get too many duds and the money to make the next Trek film will dry up fast.
Major Rakal - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 00:00:45 EST ID:nCcVoj5C No.63967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That also happens when they make burner spectacle movies like Star Trek Into Darkness. Viewers don't think it's bad when they see it, but it's numbing. You don't want to watch it again and it doesn't make you want to watch more of the franchise.
Leck - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:18:01 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only other first season that for me was even close to on par with how annoyed I was at STD was Voyager. I hated creepy Neelix and I didn't understand why they put this stupid rat on the bridge crew. That was quite annoying, but just hating one character isn't anywhere near as bad as hating the entire concept of a show, not liking any of the characters, absolutely hating the lead character, and much more. And tbh, I didn't have much issue with any other Star Trek first season, at least they all had character and a general feel to get you through the uninteresting bits.

Lots of the shows have had "meh" first seasons but none have been absolutely terrible and hated by a good chunk of the fan base. Only CBS could pull off something like that.
Leck - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 17:21:33 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Btw: Redlettermedia released their re:view for STD season 1 today

Broik - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:01:34 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Rich Evans is very wise. Mike Stoklasa is a fuckin' nerd. I watched it muted with captions, I'm not actually sure it was Rich Evans talking but I stand by it.

>The only other first season that for me was even close to on par with how annoyed I was at STD was Voyager.
It's like if Neelix were the main character... and good at things.... and not creeping all over 23 year old Kes... and if he shut the fuck up.
He's boring now, but oh well. It's better than the alternative.

Fuck Neelix, Janeway murdered Tuvix.
Kiri-kin-tha - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:43:50 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
About 7 minutes into that, and I realized something...

99% of STD's problems could have been avoided if they had done a full 22 episode season. It felt compressed because they crammed all these "mini-arcs" into the series. If they had a longer season and more room to get their ideas out, or better yet scratch a couple of story arcs. But fuck, even with all their mini-arcs, they would have been better served by a longer season.
Sarah Sisko - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:45:40 EST ID:j0rcL8cb No.63974 Ignore Report Quick Reply

that still wouldnt solve the issue of bottom of the barrel shit actors
Worf - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:20:54 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Best be excluding Doug Jones from that list. He's probably the best actor they have. His character just got ignored for Burnham by the writers. He does a very good sympathetic alien cow-person thing.

Now, if the bitch playing Burnham could just act like an actual human being, maybe we'd be somewhere on this thing.
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:35:34 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The guy who played Lorca and Doug Jones were both good. Everyone else I could take or leave though I did like Lorca's sexy toady. Wish she had stayed around longer. She's the kind of girl I'd pay to stomp on my nuts wearing black spandex.
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:43:00 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah there are definitely some other issues too, but they wouldn't be as glaring if the plot had some motherfucking breathing room and we got a chance to get to know the characters. Hell and maybe we could get to know the bridge crew!
Worf - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:06:32 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Motherfuckers still haven't explained that weird cyborg chick at all yet.

Come on, they have a full on cyber person just clicking and whirring over there and nobody seems to be saying anything about her at all. Is it an alien from a race that went full Ghost in the Shell? Is it a human brain in a cyborg body....which starts to fuck with canon a lot....is she an android...which would chew canon up, digest it part way, then shit it out in a glorious shitacular spectacle that could be seen from frickin space.
Lt. Talas - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 23:20:11 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its Guinan in disguise. Get ready for her going up against Q played by Will Wheaton Maybe he'll reset the timeline and get rid of Mikey Burnout since they claim S2 will fix the canonical inconsistencies.
Seven of Nine - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 04:01:53 EST ID:fy/Qp6+b No.63980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Can't have canonical inconsistencies if the original canon never existed

Please God don't let this be what they do
Lt. Talas - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 06:31:59 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The second half of season 2 will see Burnham travel back in time where it will be revealed she actually built the warp drive instead of Cochrane to get the Vulcans' attention because he couldn't do it. She then brokers peace between the Vulcans and humans. The season ends with them giving her the parts needed to get back to her time only she overshoots and is welcomed to the 31st century by Daniels
Weyoun 5 - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 06:50:53 EST ID:QYXsFZLe No.63982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I doubt anyone is allowed to question her. From what we know of robots of that era, questioning her existence, logic, or fallibility will just cause her to shut down and/or explode.
Worf - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:38:51 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Then nobody should talk to fucking Burnham lest the whole ship go up when self-destructs....
Vash - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:31:51 EST ID:ziQ8ybaW No.63989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I can't believe this is so hard for normie trekkies.
If you didn't sperg out and ragequit Enterprise, you'd know that the Borg Sphere from first contact crashed into the antarctic and was unburied in Archer's time, causing a technological jump resulting in the Abramstrek movies and Discovery.

That's why there's borgs on both the Abramstrek ship and on Discovery.
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:37:07 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please stop saying normie
Persis - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:14:05 EST ID:ziQ8ybaW No.63991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I do what I WANT, authoritarian swine
DaiMon Birta - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:31:12 EST ID:gephjk0M No.63992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Deafened and blinded and skull busted up. So they put a robocop on her face.

I dunno why they aren't just augmenting humans with internal calculators and real-time clocks though.

They don't know what she's supposed to do though. Kind of a leftover from Bryan Fuller's version. Nothing done to develop the character, just the design. Someone mentioned specialized attachments in some interview.
Dr. Leah Brahms - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:27:11 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I guess the rape gangs on Turkana IV started sooner than we thought.
Kotan Pa'Dar - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:41:21 EST ID:QYXsFZLe No.63995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The auto-destruct sequence is well underway.
DaiMon Birta - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:59:57 EST ID:gephjk0M No.63997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This show needs to move away from Burnham as the central character. It'll be a lot stronger that way, and after the introductory season I don't see a reason for continuing that perspective.

Honestly killing Burnham off would do no damage to the series, and that shows that they really didn't deliver on that character compared to all of the others. Ash and Tilly are better characters, Lorca was a better character and Saru is a MUCH better character.

Burnham acting all full-retard Vulcan is so bad for the show. Following a day in the life of Tuvok where he just does his fucking job and meditates would be more entertaining.
Admiral Alidar Jarok - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:37:19 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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As much as I hate a lot of the decisions made on this show, I don't want to see them back off on anything. The die is already cast: I want them to double down instead.

The crew should be bigger assholes whose dysfunctions highlight the contrast between a modern culture extrapolated into the future and the ideals of TOS-era trek. Burnham should be more of an arrogant dick who ruins everything because she's listening to the invisible social justice cheerleaders in her head. Ash should be a bigger douche because he's supposed to be a fucking vulcan. The bridge crew should remain just as anonymous to exaggerate how top-heavy and machine-like this incarnation of starfleet is, although it's fine if cyber girl has an episode where she gets her nips out. And everyone should talk about fungus, all the fucking time.
Admiral Alidar Jarok - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:40:57 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> a fucking vulcan

Also they need to add a kilrathi crewman asap
Dr. Leah Brahms - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:29:01 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.64002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> As much as I hate a lot of the decisions made on this show, I don't want to see them back off on anything. The die is already cast: I want them to double down instead.
Yeah, instead of making it better and reconciling it with canon lets just make it ever worse than S1 was. Sounds like a great idea.

>The crew should be bigger assholes whose dysfunctions highlight the contrast between a modern culture extrapolated into the future and the ideals of TOS-era trek.
Because having a compete paradigm shift happens in less than a decade. Makes total sense.

Disco fans, man. Sometimes I wonder if they've ever seen another episode of Trek in their life.
Robert Wesley - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:47:04 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Naw man, I think they got the levels pretty right in STD, if you throw out Burnham, of course... Tilly is sort of an adorable version of Barclay and I can dig that. Saru is done just right. This kind of uptight guy who may just be the bravest fucker his species ever produced, because even when his danger boners are up, Saru gets shit done. Lt. Sassygay was probably under developed in the sass department, but the time loop episode was his time to shine, and he did.
Why ruin it by making the assholes? At the end of the day they are Starfleet, and Starfleet gets shit done and they do so together. To have them just going "OH FUCK YOU TILLY YOU GINGER CUNT!" or some shit just wouldn't jive. Hell, the whole "mutineer turned hero," bullshit fucks with a lot of the basic tenets of Trek. No point in doubling down on the suck.
DaiMon Birta - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:47:26 EST ID:gephjk0M No.64005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Sometimes I wonder if they've ever seen another episode of Trek in their life
30-40% of it isn't very good.
>compete paradigm shift
TOS isn't actually that progressive, I think you're bleeding in some TNG philosophy.

TNG philosophy is more: It would be inhumane to kill these tribbles. O'Brien, set up a food dispenser on holodeck four that will not overfeed our furry guests into pregnancy.
TOS philosophy: It would be inhumane to kill these tribbles, transport them to the Klingon ship where they will be even more inhumanely killed.
Emperor Kahless - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:01:22 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>30-40% of it isn't very good

I believe you meant
>30-40% of it isn't amazing but at least feels like its own thing and not some generic sci fi show and that's what made the show what it is is having its own unique identity among all other sci fi shows

Your argument is stupid. Just because there have been bad episodes before isn't an excuse for some idiots at CBS to throw everything out the window and arbitrarily make a generic grimdark, cynical, garbage sci fi show.
Emperor Kahless - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:03:30 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, the showrunners have already said that they're gonna step back next season to try and fix the stupid clusterfuck that they have created. Which I'm sure means they will have some kind of lame magical way to retcon all of season 1. So yeah, they're really dumb for making that whole terrible season, but clearly not as dumb as you are for believing they should double the terrible stupidity of it all.
DaiMon Birta - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:28:55 EST ID:gephjk0M No.64008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah, it's all the TNG episodes that just come off as soap opera. Insultingly dumb shit like Turnabout Intruder and Threshold and every scene with Neelix in it. Shades of Gray, most holodeck episodes, Move Along Home (DS9's alien holodeck episode).
>30-40% of it isn't amazing but at least feels like its own thing and not some generic sci fi show and that's what made the show what it is is having its own unique identity among all other sci fi shows
The DS9 hopscotch shit from Move Along Home is straight out of a classic Doctor Who, but much worse, with rhyming. It's convenient that all of the characters were pissed off at the goofiness of the exercise because that's exactly what all of the actors were feeling.
That's not even generic sci-fi, that's generic genre adventure junk that is the signature of shitty holodeck episodes.

Star Trek could be incredibly original or incredibly generic from week to week. Discovery being shorter with an overarching story could have avoided all of that. But they didn't.
Dr. Leah Brahms - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:43:27 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.64009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>30-40% of it isn't very good.
30-40% of all Trek outside of STD? I wholeheartedly disagree.

>TOS isn't actually that progressive
That isn't what was said at all and isn't even relevant to the discussion.

Also, I think you are confusing TAS with TOS.

Its pretty much the only argument they have. Of course, you can't expect a lot of intellect from these people. They'll blindly defend it at all costs. As I said, I doubt most of these people have even seen the other series. They may have seen a couple episodes here or there but that's it. If they were actually fans and had seen Trek in its entirely at least once they would realize how terrible their arguments are. They are like those "Trekkies" that go to cons dressed as Spock but don't really know jack about Trek.

If you take the Trek buzzwords out of STD I doubt any real fan would identify it as Trek in a blind viewing. However if you did the same for the other series you could tell right away it was part of the ST franchise even ENT and VOY.

Its a mediocre show plain and simple if you base it on the show alone but you can't. Its supposed to be a Trek show and in that regard it fails terribly.. The acting is mostly pretty poor, that characters are way underdeveloped for how many episodes we have gotten, it has almost zero similarities to trek outside of species names and other superficial elements, its poorly written and executed, and its about as far away from ST you can get while still being a show set on a spaceship.

I'll keep watching and I really do hope S2 rights it wrongs, reconciles it with the other series, and we get good, honest Trek moving forward but I really am not hopeful at this point and that seems to be the general consensus among long time fans.
Persis - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 01:02:58 EST ID:ziQ8ybaW No.64010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude, FUCK the other series.
Trek needs a fresh face, Space Liberals is tired as fuck.
Do something cool.

I mean, they even crucified Based Lorca as a Mirror Universe Agent just so you can have your Pure Liberal TNG Trek back.

Fuck you people, you are the acid corroding the possibilities of the future
DaiMon Birta - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 01:03:31 EST ID:gephjk0M No.64011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>TOS isn't actually that progressive
>That isn't what was said at all and isn't even relevant to the discussion.

That's the culture they're 10 years away from becoming and I don't see all that much of a clash. You know except that the Discovery looks like shit and wouldn't have ever been designed for that show.

>its poorly written and executed
That's what happens when you try to rework a story after the showrunner leaves. At least nobody grew a contractually obligated mustache

>They'll blindly defend it at all costs.
>There's a straaaaaaaaaaaaw man waiting in the sky. He'd like come and meet us but he's only in your mind.
No they really don't. Discovery fans criticize the fuck out of the show. You just present arguments that put them in a position of defending it.
>its about as far away from ST you can get while still being a show set on a spaceship.
Excuse me, but Lexx would like to call bullshit on this piece of hyperbole.
Admiral Alidar Jarok - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 05:06:53 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Damn you're super tribalistic for a trek fan, huh? You realise you're talking about a television show with all this "us vs them" venom, right?

Really tiresome.
Corporal Kelly - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 09:17:39 EST ID:fy/Qp6+b No.64014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So I was right then? (>>61978)
Kotan Pa'Dar - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:25:07 EST ID:QYXsFZLe No.64016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think a lot of fans who are suffering through this era of Trek are taking it that way. Mike Stoklasa in one of the RLM reviews said he enjoyed the show when he pretended it was the far future in a different timeline, and the Trekyards hosts made up their minds that it had to be after seeing the DiscoPrise.

I kind of envy those who can just lock all the previous history in the back of their heads and take STD as its own thing, but STD itself doesn't do that. I think the blow of Trek '09 being so irreverent was softened by JJ coming out ahead and saying it's a different universe. By insisting it's Prime but not adhering to what we know and have seen of Prime, STD is handicapping itself.

A visual reboot constitutes a full reboot in the minds of many, and if the producers wanted to be sure to placate those fans and appeal to outsiders, a full reboot would've been smarter. Now they're gonna hedge. Instead of sticking to their guns and making this show work, it's gonna further muddy things by trying to untie this ungodly knot that's been made.
Gor - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:22:06 EST ID:kI1ks3sd No.64018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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"I really enjoyed the Klingon Sleaze Planet."
Mot - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:29:59 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.64020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 20:06:50 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Let's get some perspective. Every new Trek series has been marked by nerds complaining constantly about betrayed they are that it isn't "real trek".

Every single one. Every single time.
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:50:11 EST ID:eWPoZdcx No.64023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair to Enterprise viewers, the show is a lot less entertaining after a couple minutes of vomiting blood during and after the theme song.
Guinan - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 02:01:27 EST ID:GwChYndC No.64024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Discovery will not stand the test of time. It's got nice special effects but that's about it.
Lorian - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:00:05 EST ID:c3aNRmcZ No.64025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well then, it's about time they were right.
Groundskeeper Boothby - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 05:19:06 EST ID:TinR0Zso No.64026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In Hindsight though people were right about ENT too. By the time it got good everyone had given up on it. It took until an episode into the 4th and final season to be good trek.

It did try though. I think without executive meddling it could have been that a lot sooner. The question about discovery, one that still needs more time to wash (to give it a couple of seasons like everyone else) is if they are even trying? Or are they just using the brand?

I understand that the boy cried wolf a lot. But in the end that didn't mean there weren't wolves around.
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 06:04:12 EST ID:eWPoZdcx No.64027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah but the lesson from this is that it was abandoned so quickly and thoroughly that by the time it got good it was killed.
Conversely, the lesson for the studios is that changing the look and throwing in a completely tonally inappropriate theme song can and will kill your show while it's still mediocre.

And that's why they only did one of those things. And Discovery really does look like an extrapolated interpretation of the Enterprise aesthetic. So at least it's not blazing an entirely new trail.
Guinan - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:39:56 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It took FOUR YEARS to get good. It should have never lasted that long, but it only did so on the good name of star trek..
I could see the potential in Enterprise from the beginning but they just never fulfilled it.. Discovery, however, has much less charm and much less potential. If they take another season or two to start getting their shit together it will be the death of trek. Honestly I don't know if the franchise can survive the Mikey Burnham show either way.
Curzon Odo - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:08:18 EST ID:eWPoZdcx No.64034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Season 3 has good episodes.
So did Deep Space Nine, the best Star Trek.

But I don't think season 1 of Enterprise really has any particularly good episodes, and a quarter of them are absolute fucking stinkers.
Deep Space Nine at least had a great pilot and Duet, and was either fairly consistently mediocre, or Move Along Home is acting as a psychological lighting rod for my hate.

I think Discovery has a slightly better ratio than Season 1 of Enterprise. None of them stand out as great but the mirror universe arc was fun.

By my estimation about three episodes of Discovery are fucking terrible. First of all, "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry" can suck my dick "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" can eat my asshole. Christ, these titles are pretentious and 50% each of the premiere and finale can each take a testicle.

That puts Discovery at 1/5th trash ratio to Enterprise's 1/4 (I haven't thought this out that thoroughly but if anything it's conservative). Slightly better.

Context is for Kings would have been a MUCH better first episode for Discovery and the first two episodes should have been a Christmas special to flesh out the characters we had come to know over the better episodes like Context is for Kings and Choose your Pain.
Guinan - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 23:06:06 EST ID:RUbNSsbE No.64035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe I'll have to give the mirror arc an actual chance.. I stopped watching shortly after the midseason break.

And in defense of Enterprise, I can think of one good S1 episode offhand, Sleeping Dogs. Last rewatch I remember thinking s2 was worse than s1 for enterprise overall.
Hadley - Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:06:39 EST ID:eWPoZdcx No.64040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Having continued binging DS9 I can see the core of some of the problems with the early seasons.
Not remotely enough Garak. From his earliest appearances he's the most fascinating, mysterious character and he's definitely got a touch of the sassygay. Once Garak is given more screen time he becomes a pillar of the show.
Rom is just a fucking punching bag. Every scene he's in is pathetic and every mention of him is about how dumb and worthless he is. Not just from Quark, Sisko and the rest of the Federation crew jump in regularly to insult and belittle Rom behind his back.
Build-up without payoff: Understandably the show had to build a world for itself that wouldn't pay off until later seasons, but on less of a macro level many episodes tackle a fascinating idea, raise interesting questions and don't pay it off. "Whispers" with the O'Brien replicant has immaculate build-up of tension and mystery and then He's dead and we'll explain how he's a clone sleeper agent to the audience Bucketloads of pathos, but not a satisfying payoff, like a Black Mirror episode with less satisfaction.

The buildup without payoff is clearly something Discovery is guilty of, especially the first half.
While I'm satisfied with where all of the side characters are by the end of Discovery Tilly, Saru and Admiral Cornwall stand out, we don't have many of them. After that there's just Stamets, L'Rell and AshVoq RIP Culber, Lorca I'm just waiting for some of the bridge crew or anyone else to finally get some screen time and become a Garak type figure and make the show feel less empty (Which probably won't happen unless one of the actors is as insanely dedicated to their character as Andrew Robinson was.)
And Rom is.... You guessed it: Burnham. Except instead of saying how dumb he is, they won't shut up about how smart she is. And for being the main character, the Vulcan-ish portrayal absolutely sucks the drama out of all but the most dramatic of her scenes. And I don't see an out for Burnham as clean and easy as turning Rom into the private-sector O'Brien
Lysia Arlin - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 12:20:46 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I kind of hated it up until the break (although I liked the first two episodes besides the brig bullshit, mostly because it was a really fresh approach with tonnes of inertia, and I'm baffled why everybody hates on them so much), but I felt like the mirror arc return retroactively justified the first half-season. I wouldn't watch the first half again in a hurry, but you should definitely pick the second half up. The conclusion is rushed, and sucks, but the rest is pretty decent.

>l many episodes tackle a fascinating idea, raise interesting questions and don't pay it off
I think this is an intentional Trek tactic. The episodes juice you up with a bunch of ideas and then blueballs you so you have no choice but to spray it all over the water cooler instead.
Thot Pran - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:06:13 EST ID:L1oGJlte No.64052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I think this is an intentional Trek tactic. The episodes juice you up with a bunch of ideas and then blueballs you so you have no choice but to spray it all over the water cooler instead.

Yeah but usually they raise multiple issues and resolve one of them while Picard stares into some Earl Grey and ponders/discusses the others.
Discovery is all about raising some interesting issues and then: going nope, it's some other shit and then Burnham stares lifelessly into nothing, says nothing, and for all we know ponders nothing because this show hates personal logs.
I think it did a captain's log once for Saru and Burnham on mirror Shenzhou.
Commander Tomalak - Fri, 02 Mar 2018 13:54:43 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I think it did a captain's log once for Saru and Burnham on mirror Shenzhou.

Ironically, one of the best scenes was when Saru was trying to setup a computer algorithm to determine how he was doing at his job. That was some good Trek. It was of course glossed over and never revisited.
Lursa - Sat, 24 Mar 2018 21:39:01 EST ID:r1BxwlQg No.64209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, looks like there was this deleted scene in STD that would have been a much better sequel hook than having Mary Sue Burnham's contrived speech and awards ceremony followed by Pike and Spock showing up in TEH ENTERPRISE!

The people in the delete scene are supposed to be featured in Season 2.


Legate Porania - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 07:18:08 EST ID:9o+7400H No.64211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Valkris - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 21:19:31 EST ID:r1BxwlQg No.64216 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Are you a Leaf or a Britbong? Apparently the original vid is region locked thanks to whatever deals CBS did with Netflix and Space.

For Leafs:

For Britbongs:
Kazago - Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:48:34 EST ID:KPAfNItn No.64222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly I'm shocked that they cut any fan service out of that episode. Maybe they do have a sense of shame. Maybe there's hope after all.
Tuvok - Fri, 06 Apr 2018 03:11:45 EST ID:Viic1J5I No.64274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
please tell me that was an accident.
Curzon Odo - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 03:31:30 EST ID:4SeMe49B No.64313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes that's true. I'm hoping season 2 will pick up like the other trek season 2s did. But Discovery has left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Much worse than any other first season. Fingers crossed.

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