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Star Trek Discovery Discussion IV by Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:35:14 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Number 3 is no longer bumping.

Discovery #3 thread.
https://boards.420chan.org/1701/res/60633.php
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Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:37:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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After tonight's episode I think it actually may be making a turn. It just took them way too long to get everything established since they wasted two episodes on the shitty pilot.
Lorca is going more and more rogue by the minute, which keeps stuff interesting.
Also, I gotta believe that Lorca had predicted that the admiral would have been taken prisoner or killed.
I was half expecting him to destroy her shuttlecraft and blame it on the Klingons.
My only gripe is that it was silly for the Vulcans to send their most valuable diplomat, Sarek, out on a shuttle with only 1 guard. Normally you would think that he would have been escorted by a big powerful ship. But that seems to be a recurring theme, as Lorca did the same in the episode before. That's not that big of a complaint though.
Oh, also the cosmic mind meld thing again. I guess I can live with it.
Also, I want to do Tilly in the butt. She got a big ol booty.


Pasted my post from the old thread
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I.G. Tarah - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:49:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61942
well I'll be dipped in shit

I never expected this to go beyond the bare minimum for whatever legal bullshit this was about.
Good on them.
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Minister Kuvak - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:13:54 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly, after watching this week's episode, I am willing accept it if I all previous tv and movie canons and that this is a day zero reboot series.

Also, having this line of thinking make sense as you can let go of the TNG aesthetics and the technology timeline.
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Christopher Pike - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:32:23 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.61945 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61944

So it's good star trek if you make yourself forget to compare/associate it to the other star treks?

That's still pretty weak brah
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Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:21:25 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61945
If CBS just admitted that it's not prime, then it would instantly be like 10x better in my mind.
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Ensign Vorik - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:43:59 EST ID:qX5lLyFW No.61948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61947
They can't. They sold the show to Netflix calling it Prime. It'd be a breach of contract if they did.
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Minister Kuvak - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:02:59 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61945

See, if I keep thinking this takes place decades before TOS, then I am gonna be miserable because "it doesn't look right." "all these continuity errors" "the tech is all off" however, if I just think it that "restart the timeline and rebooting it to match our modern day tech" then I am not so miserable watching it.
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Admiral Owen Paris - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:36:48 EST ID:9Ez1cVaJ No.61952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61951
TAS had a rudimentary holodeck in the rec room, brah.

Discovery only has a combat simulation. No fun allowed.
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Seskal - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:11:35 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still not feeling it. Also, Martin-Green sounds really American. She's got a pretty noticable accent. And whenever she's in a Vulcan getup, it just pulls me out of the scene. They might as well have put a guy with a huge Russian accent among the Vulcans.

I also thought she'd end up finding Sarek through sensing him, and guiding the pilot to him. But it turns out they were just going to wake him up so he could press a button. What if he was on the other side of the room?
With Vulcans acting like Jolly Kazon-Americans we're also at a low point in the steady decline of Vulcans. And with the Kazons, this nifty suicide technique was the centrepiece of an elaborate plot. Here it's just a really shitty assassination technique. At first I thought Sarek beamed out, but he's still in the same room. If that assassin had just pulled a gun out of his ass, shit would have gone better.
It's also laying its themes on really thickly. I'm finding this to be a very loud, unsubtle show.
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Captain Tel-Peh - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:15:09 EST ID:9Ez1cVaJ No.61954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61953
>I'm finding this to be a very loud, unsubtle show

Yeah that's true. Fans still throw the word "subtle" around over blatant fan service as if that word means anything after they're done with it.
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Franklin Drake - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:15:23 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.61955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61949
And it's not even a single decade. The show is in December 2256 right now, 2257 soon, while Where No Man Has Gone Before was 2265. If it gets to season 7, the end of that season would be 2263!
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Thot Pran - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:21:17 EST ID:PU+0MICM No.61972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>61968
>"hurting innocent critters is kind of shitty".

They literally put crying babies in front of the camera during a bad guy attack. It's storytelling by and for the lowest common denominator.
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Quark - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 16:29:16 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.61978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I like to think of it like this: it's an alternate timeline, with "Star Trek: First Contact" being the divergence point.

TOS, TNG, VOY, and DS9 exist on the Prime-line, whereas ENT, DIS, Trek '09, Into Darkness, and Beyond exist on another as yet unnamed (because I can't think of a good reference for it yet. Maybe the Zefram-line as he was the focal point in First Contact?) timeline. Look at the interior of the USS Kelvin in Trek '09. From the (very brief) looks of it, it does look an awful lot like the ship interiors in DIS doesn't it? And DIS is according to this poster (>>61955) set in 2256, twenty-three years after "The Kelvin Incident", meaning they would have gotten an aesthetic upgrade don't you think? Finally, the interior of the Phoenix in first contact looks a lot like a heavily scaled down version of the ship interiors in ENT, but as I mentioned, ENT looks like DIS but DIS does not look like TOS.

If each series of DIS represents a year passing and it turns out I am correct then mark my words, in Series 2 (possibly 3) we're going to start hearing about the Enterprise's shenanigans and possibly have a cameo or three from Chris Pines himself as James T. Kirk.
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Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:48:48 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61978
Every time a lens flares, a whole new Trek timeline is born....
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Juan Cena - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:08:06 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61978

The timeline diverged before First Contact. In ST IV, Scotty introduced transparent aluminum to 20th Century Earth. We have no idea when it was supposed to be invented. By your logic, TOS is the only Prime-line show.

The newer ST movies belong to the Kelvin Universe. This has been already established.
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Ambassador Shras - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:02:41 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.62002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62000
Dayman has been seeping out elsewhere. I'm not sure if he's a troll persona or just that stupid and unfunny.
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Temporal Agent Daniels - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 02:54:25 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bumping this back to the front because faggot /tinfoil/ spammers flooded this board
Seriously wtf
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Franklin Drake - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:17:48 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Should we be assuming now that the Class F shuttles' little engines are indeed warp nacelles, then? There was, after all, that instance in The Menagerie where the shuttle went chasing after the Enterprise, which was at warp at the time, and they DO look like just scaled down warp nacelles....
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Gaila - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:20:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62102
It would seem that way. I mean a lot of tech stuff wasn't very clear in TOS, or at least not elucidated upon much.
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Kai Winn - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:45:04 EST ID:UbixIY2k No.62191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>61983
I just finished watching it for the first time. It took me 3 days because my attention kept drifting off. Even when TOS and TNG got stupid it still managed to be interesting. TNG's The Royale was fairly awful but it was still watchable. But this latest Dickscoveredinbees ep... it reeked of Kurtzman's writing. The show goes through a checklist of what they think are powerful emotional moments and then shovels in garbage to fill the gaps. And in the middle of those special moments the dialogue is unhinged. Like that final convo with Burnham - I thought Tilly was the one with autism. Hello, strange man whom I barely know and who has likely heard of my war-inciting reputation by now, I will now flatly and precisely describe my inner turmoil for no reason. And you will say the perfect thing to put me at ease.


The hero has to kung-fu fight her adoptive Vulcan father in order to not get 'pushed out' of Vulcan Skype with him. Twice. WHY??? In a non-retarded Star Trek show I'm thinking he would either ignore her or talk to her. More likely talk to her since she isn't just some rando wandering by. But not in STD. STD needs padding. So like JJTrek, people punch each other because thoughtful dialogues are too hard to write.


And that fucking flat-angle Xanadu shit when Sarek's Skype SOS comes through...it's like they're looking for new ways to make the show look cheap and rushed. It's kind of hilarious in a disappointing way.
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Major Rakal - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:25:46 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62198
Except when Vulcans need to get shit done, then the touchy-psychic thing goes out the window and they make Betazoids look like brain damaged chimps....
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Sphere Builder - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 02:07:52 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wow, OK, I am smoldering with anger
Leave it to STD to make an interesting concept like an artificial time loop fucking boring. Fuck Michael Burnham, she continues to be one of the worst actors I've seen in a major production like this. Harry Mudd is ok but I think I just have a crush on Rainn Wilson Lt. Gay Scientist I am liking more and more, I like his character progression (because he's the only one with any character arc).
Is it safe to assume the "4th dimensional beings" that Mudd acquired the TIME CRYSTAL FUCK YOU CBS SERIOUSLY FUCK YOU THATS THE LAMEST SHIT *ahem* the time crystal from are the Q? What other sort of beings have that technology barring the Borg?
I also just finished Stranger Things season 2 so I'm in a bad mood, that show is a fucking gyp
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Guinan - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 04:01:37 EST ID:3T/wLRRT No.62217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62216
By the way, no more STD til next year.. that's more than half the first season and.. it was pretty much on par with enterprise prior to season 4 if not a little shittier.

Not as bad as I expected but not really good either. Oh well. I might actually watch the rest of the first season.

And yeah gay spore man has pretty much become the only interesting character besides lorca.
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Legate Hovat - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:22:35 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.62222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62217

We still have at least two more episodes in the next two weeks.
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Seska - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:06:10 EST ID:ALLINHwI No.62247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62243
>Is this show even trying to not be a clearly fanfictions wetdream type star trek?
seriously? you have just been shitting up the board with your contrarian nonsense

stfu DAYMAN, gtfo ------>
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Xerius - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:40:55 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.62260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why are the gay characters both stereotypes?
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DaiMon Bractor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:46:04 EST ID:/6VHUlUm No.62261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62260
Because Hollywood wants to ram politics down everyone's throats

It's actually very derogatory if you ask me
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Wesley Crusher - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:35:00 EST ID:f4GL6k/2 No.62275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62263
>more gay writers.

True Blood Season 3 through however the fuck many warns of the hazards of the overabundance of gay writers.
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Thy'lek Shran - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:15:44 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.62298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62268
Because Michael Pillar, Ira Steven Behr, Fontana, Rick Berman are all either dead or not working on Star Trek anymore.

If people really want a reason why this Trek is shit-garbage that is honestly the reason. They have no legitimacy within "torch passing" that happened when GR died.
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Turanj - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 15:43:52 EST ID:CdncQJXv No.62311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I liked episode 7. It seems like the most treky episode yet. Sure it's a well worn premise. But I liked that it's mostly from the perspective of someone who is isn't experiencing the loop. That was an interesting little twist in the structure.

One of my big gripes about the show is that they weren't taking the time to just do some character development, and have interactions between characters that weren't just directly serving the plot. I get that a lot of people aren't liking how characters were developed, but I feel like I have a much better idea of who some of them are now. I liked it.

The resolution with Mudd getting shipped off struck me as a very TNG moment. I need to look at the writers for each episode. The character of this one seemed really different. I almost wonder if it was a bottle episode that was written to pad out the season. Whatever happened, they took their foot off the gas for a bit, which was a good thing.
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Captain Rudolph Ransom - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 22:21:27 EST ID:00CV1Z7S No.62324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62317
>>whatever happened to Albino Klingon
He's doing just fine, look at him
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Sarek - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 01:37:38 EST ID:w+z/R1QM No.62328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62327
I don't think Saru's threat ganglia are supposed to be some supernatural thing.
Then again intergalactic mind skype
Saru's just got the best intuition and maybe minor telepathic empathy to hostility. I don't think that works from the bridge.
He's a shit Deanna Troi.

But Deanna Troi is a shit commander so I guess they're even.
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Rekelen - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:26:50 EST ID:mw1AnnTr No.62331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Discovery sucks, full stop.

It's like Star Trek The Motion Picture, so bad it's good.
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Belongo - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:04:47 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62338
>The real reason we don't see enough of Saru's threat ganglia is because they are a CGI effect instead of a practical one, which was stupid of them.

Gotta save the cash for the multiple explosions and CGI deaths...

Seriously though, how do those things work? It seemed to be pitched that Sarus danger boners were "mild psychic," because he seemed to be foreshadowing the entire mess that is the first two episodes of the pilot.

Look, if Saru had been, "Captain Lorca, something doesn't seem right here. I sense a threat, that could have helped drive the plot. And at least gotten more of an ensemble feel instead of the usual "Everything is about the aspie quasi-Vulcan," that we usually get. Lorca seemed to barely be in the last episode. He was literally a prop for Mudd to play with...
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Captain Rudolph Ransom - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:31:25 EST ID:00CV1Z7S No.62351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62340
In DSC, apparently mysticism is 100% real and a scientific force. Stametz basically says that explicitly and even wants to try to develop a machine to interface with it. That's why katra skype works, that's how the Discovery can travel anywhere in the galaxy as long as it's hooked up to a lifeform that's tripping its balls off, that's how Saru or any lifeform could have a literal sense of a totally abstract concept like 'I'm about to die.'

But yeah, the main problem with the way the show is now is that Burnham is a terrible character and the show can't be a proper ensemble like every trek since TOS has been. Luckily, this is a problem that can easily be rectified down the line.

>>62345
Yes there is very little rhyme or reason with the character design. I still don't even know the medical dude's name, the only thing about his character is that he's gay, that's it. Which used to be the case for Stametz along with snarkitude, which has now been thankfully replaced with permafried status (he's climbed from the bottom to near the top of my DSC character leaderboard chart.)

Lorca is just every stereotype of bad captain put together, but it actually makes for great viewing (I suspect that somehow CBS thought Trekkies would somehow be more shocked by the concept of a bad captain? Trust me, we've seen plenty...) Tilly is just autism, again, we don't have anything but this very 2 dimensional character, and she's used for comic relief, which says a lot more than it should...

Saru, however, is the best. It's like all their ideas about 'well this is what a Trekkie kind of answer or opinion would be' are always put in Saru's mouth, making him the best character. The whole series could be just him flying around, seeing something cool, then being afraid of it and flying away, I would be 100% on board for that.
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Thot Pran - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:23:05 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62351
I think I agree with your character standings. And about Stametz. It is kinda lame that I like him now that he's not being snippy, but it was just far too stereotypical for him to be warp 10 snark. But in this episode where he was integral to the plot besides some insane gimmick, I feel like he kinda stood out and felt like a real star trek science officer. It's a lot better than when they use him to explain the spore gobbledygook.
And Saru is of course #1 because he really feels like he belongs on a starship. And oddly enough, he fits right into the XO, #1 role. I say oddly enough because he's kinda standoffish and comes off as a bit of a coward and he even questions Lorca occasionally. Well the questioning part isn't that abnormal but for a #1 to have that kind of overly careful attitude and not just be a badass standing behind the captain is unheard of. And the fact that he still pulls it off and remains very likeable is a testament to Doug Jones' skill.
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Roger Lemli - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:55:48 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62358
>cyborg chick

Yes I want more of her too. All we got of her in the last episode was a little clip of her making out with some dude in the background. If they're gonna go full GoT I want to see some titties. Jk, but she is an intriguing character. Some of the other oddities on the bridge like the grey and blue alien chick don't seem to work very well but the chick with the implant on her face kinda sticks out like something I want to be explored more.

And yeah, the focus on Burnham is really getting tiring. In this last episode I was hoping it wasn't gonna just be Burnham solving the time issue, and thankfully it wasn't, but in other episodes they're kinda making her the Wesley of the ship. Shoeing in the wiz kid that nobody really likes every chance they get. If they overdo it they'll definitely get the Wesley effect going strong. I'm hoping that in season 2 they learn that the other characters deserve more time. Which, granted they are giving some characters development, but if they just spent one episode not focusing on Burnham, we could get a ton of development with multiple characters. Trek isn't about a person it's about the crew and philosophical dilemmas. Not just one person struggling to interact with people. That's way too shallow.
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Roger Lemli - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:35:31 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62361
We did get a reaction out of her, once.
I believe it was the first time she saw Burnham, either on the bridge or in the mess hall, she had an intense look of fear on her face. I'm guessing maybe she's either just submissive or doesn't want to start any trouble with a higher ranking officer. But, Burnham was an ensign or something for a little while so maybe she's just submissive.
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Emperor Sompek - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 18:41:06 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.62391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62380
>>62387
Yep, though I think their only real appearance was in The Slaver Weapon. I've always thought Man-Kzin Wars would make an excellent anthology TV series.

There are some similarities to the Federation there though it is quite a bit darker IMO with the birthright lotteries and everything. I always liked their FTL better. You had to have a good pilot watching at all times to get out of the way of stars and planets as you approach them. There is definitely quite a bit of violence and crime (see: Gil the Arm Hamilton and Sigmund Ausfaller) Its not as "perfect" as life in Trek.

You know, since they talk about a series of wars with the Kzinti in TAS they could have used them in place of Klingons in STD and it would have been much better. You don't have to worry about fucking with established timelines or destroying the way klingons look and they actually do eat their enemies and are about as warlike as you can get.

>>62367

What other board? There are clearly some parallels to be drawn between puppeteers and Saru and its not like there is no Niven influence in Trek. No need to be such a dick but judging by your other posts you just come here to troll.
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Arne Darvin - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 19:53:44 EST ID:ZTT6imbJ No.62394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I can't do it anymore.

I've tried to give this show a chance but it's absolutely horrible. The writing is terrible. There is no chemistry between any of the actors. There has been no real character development for any of the crew aside from "Strong Independent black woman who don't need no supporting actors". As someone here said, everyone seems to be driven by character flaws instead of an actual personality. Every attempt at a plot device based in science has been in actuality absurd fantasy I.E magic space spores, microscopic organisms in macro form being tortured by nipple clamps, Harry Mudd having access to time-travel tech living in a space-dragon...etc.

I've watched every episode up until now but I just can't do it anymore. I can not find a single thing about this show that is likeable aside from special effects. They've completely dehumanized the show, replacing it with a soulless homunculus that could only appeal to an equally soulless audience.

Thank God for the Orville. It has better writing, better acting, more relateable characters, and is in every way a better show than the disease that STD is.
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Minister Kuvak - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 20:04:50 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62391
I dunno...TAS tends to get ignored as canon, and I could see CBS being worried about a new species in Trek. They know that Klingons, Vulcans, and Romulans sell. The New Klingons were a mistake though. Sadly, since all STD seems to do is take shrooms and fight Klingons, I doubt there will be much in the way of new alien races like in TOS or others. Just Stamets getting his shroom on and them blasting away at Klingons.
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Chairman Koval - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 22:33:34 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62395
TAS has never been ignored as canon--there are references to it in TNG, DS9, TOS-R, and so forth. It has been *mistakenly considered* non-canonical, which is a difference.
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Lt. Maxwell Burke - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:42:00 EST ID:v/43NuMx No.62408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62404
It's jump shark tier. Besides, it's not Harry Mudd, it's Dwight Schrute...
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B'Etor - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 21:19:21 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wish that DIS would have put an Andorian on the bridge.
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Greer - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 23:21:56 EST ID:wioQonv1 No.62418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62405
Lexx at least was good because it was a new IP and established new lore.
Discovery shits on established lore for no reason other than SJW-isms
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Keiko O'Brien - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 05:20:21 EST ID:dAwxSqS0 No.62421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62394
I mean, you aren't wrong.
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Weyoun 8 - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 02:06:31 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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New episode was pretty lame
I think that's probably it, my hope meter is completely empty.
I don't want to watch any more but I think there's only one more episode right
IDK I'll probably watch the next one drunk as fuck and just get angry
I gotta give it to ya CBS you made me watch a whole season full of episodes and characters I didn't like a bit and sometimes outright hated vehemently, props to you on that
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Private W Woods - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 14:28:20 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62436
One more ep before the hiatus. Season 1 will be 15 total. Then, over a year's wait for season 2
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Janice Rand - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:43:54 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62439
Have they said when the second half of season 1 starts?
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Corporal R Richards - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:52:07 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62441
January I think.
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Kathryn Janeway - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:39:28 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.62445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62441

I think they're saving it until we forget and put our lives back together, then they'll spring it on us. You know, slasher movie sequel rules.
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Torg - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 06:18:05 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61938
The one with Mudd gave me some hope. Not a lot, but it had a decent sci-fi premise. One of my favorites, in fact: Groundhog Day. Sure, they still managed to cock it up with disjointed writing and unlikable characters, but it's the first episode that actually used its full cast to solve a problem with a solid underlying concept.

And the newest one was a dreadful bore again. Again it committed the sin of underperforming to the expectations I have of it while watching. When the sneaky Klingon girl takes the admiral and kills her, I thought it was a ploy. That she'd changed the settings on the weird, exposed electricity thing to only stun the Admiral. And then the Admiral would get up and make some quick about her being right about her not dying in a cage, and then the Klingon would do some monologue about her fallen comrades and how Kol is actually backstabbing the entire Klingon race or some shit. And the Admiral would say "lol, I thought you guys eating people was just a racist rumour". I mean, the bitch is supposed to be a fucking spy, right? Have her do some smart spy shit. If the Admiral had remained alive, and set up to return to Discovery next episode this whole thing might, I don't know, have some fucking weight to it. You can always kill her there. Have Lorca kill her, if you really want to see that the fucker is heading down a dark path. He already knew the Klingons would get her, anyway. He already halfway did it.

Also, now that Mike is spending her time munching on Ash's face, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if he doesn't turn out to be Voq. And I think this hackneyed romance plot is very disappointing. And very American. People give The Orville shit for the divorced couple dynamic, but how can those same people look at this high school garbage on STD and go "well, that's good tv"?

Seeing the new aliens gave me some hope. They seem very TOS-like, very classic sci-fi. They'd seem like a good vehicle for hopeful first contact-y stuff. And maybe one of the crew could fuck one. Or them. Or whatever. Because we don't really know how they work, because STD keeps doing the most interesting shit offscreen while its DOA characters argue about petty shit.

And boy, the characters just keep getting more unlikable. I seriously don't understand how anyone can say Martin-Green is a decent actress. She's TERRIBLE. I'm noticing it more and more, especially when she has to act angry or undignified, or whatever that emotion she's trying to emote is when she slips back into her giant American accent and starts flapping her mouth like she's eating an invisible hamburger. Just imagine that burger there the next time she does it. You'll see I'm right.

They could stand to show more of Tilly's fat ass. That's officially the best character in the show, at this point. Speaking of her, first I thought they singled her out, because the lighting... doesn't do wonders for her skin. But the lighting also makes Mike look like a pockmarked dockworker on occasion. What's up with this shit? Why all this overhead lighting that shows every blemish on people's skin?
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Pax - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:42:32 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't fucking stand listening to Burnham's personal logs. It just pisses me off. The show would be so much better if they just didn't latch on to her asshole.
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Senator Vreenak - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:42:54 EST ID:1Hyxksul No.62471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This last one was pretty underwhelming While on the surface it's a Saru episode and one with a distinctly Trek logline, it seriously fails to deliver. Energy aliens of peace and love (basically incompetent Organians who don't have the power to enforce their pacifism) are a cool concept, but there are so many flaws that would be considered fatally damning if they occurred in any of the prior series.

So Burnham just declares that GO#1 doesn't apply to these guys based on, what, the fact that they're energy beings? That's retarded; they live in fucking huts, and by their own admission have never figured out how to leave their own planet to explore space -- and not for lack of trying. There are plenty of energy beings throughout Star Trek, and yes some are demi-gods, but some aren't even sentient, let alone post-sentient, and exist purely on an instinctual basis. So file that entire bit away under 'the writers don't understand Star Trek at all.'

Now, while having one of the main cast be the monster of the week is always a good Trek plot to run through again, and certainly I enjoyed Saru being a badass, they skipped a really important element; explaining exactly why a good guy has become a bad guy. Was Saru really taken over by the energy beings to the extent he had no decision making power (thus a retread of 'This Side of Paradise' ) or does he have his own good philosophical reasons for *choosing* to take this stand (all those bits about him never being free of fear, etc, thus making it kinda a retread of "Let He Who is Without Sin.") If the former, then can we trust any of that character revealing information about him always being in fear, because he was under the energy beings' influence? If the latter, why wasn't he charged with disobeying orders? One line of dialogue with him in the sickbay could have cleared this up, but we don't get it.

Lastly, Game of Klingots HAS TO END. It is so goddamn boring watching people struggle their way through barely memorized Klingon dialogue with the emotive force of a dead tribble all for the sake of a very superficial (and stupid) 'power struggle' " " " " "plotline." " " " " And this shit is given like 30% of the screen time in each episode where it's featured, it's literally just wasted space, and I hate it. Wrap this shit up now and never ever do it again CBS.

Pretty good pew-pew space battle tho.

Other than that, this one was okay, I guess. I'm settling in to evaluating each episode as a Star Trek episode, which is more than I originally thought of the series, but as so singularly bad as to not even fit anywhere in the same universe as any of the other series. Yes, it's Trek, no, it's not good.
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Pax - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:02:06 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Saru: "The Pavo are an extremely hospitable people. They will grant us anything we want."

Burnham: "So you're saying we have permission to complete our mission as planned!!!"

Oh my god how fucking stupid do I look that I need you to say it twice. And Burnham seemed so excited repeating exactly what Saru just said. Like a fucking dumb dog wagging her tail. Holy shit.
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Jaresh-Inyo - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:09:52 EST ID:DFVtHqNO No.62488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62472

Well,we are all still watching the show, so clearly we aren't that much more than Pakled teir.
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Orator Plegg - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 09:11:40 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62488
It's easy to watch something as a habit when it's available every week. I predit we'll see a lot of drop-off after the hiatus. I almost stopped watching it, but it's the sort of show I watch when I have absolutely, positively nothing else to do.

And, of course, watching it gives you the right to criticise it. I always think it's a shitty argument when fans say "well, why don't you stop watching then?" because the moment you do and say it sucks, the argument changes to "lol you don't even watch it, so what do you know?"

I've also been swayed by the argument of some people on here that said the show was "picking up" and that they were hopeful about it. In retrospect they were full of shit, but that's something I can only know when I watch the episodes they recommended. And this is also a pretty typical argument for the entrenched fan trying to get you to watch dogshit. In fact, the typical STD fanboy argument I've seen is "the first seasons of all other Trek shows were shit, so you should be OK with STD being shit, too". In a sense we're pre-empting a lot of this crap and having our discussions about this show while it's still all fresh.

I had this same shit with Lost. Watched the first season while everyone was raving about it, thought it was shit, and stopped. Along comes my sister who tells me the second season was much better, and they are answering all the questions people had. So I hop in halfway into the second season. And the first episode I saw was a redshirt episode. And it was still shit for all the same reasons, so while I gave the second season another chance, I never returned for the third.

Of course, I was completely right about Lost. But I had to watch it to even form that opinion.
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William T Riker - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:12:04 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.62493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62489
>picking up
Did you even see the first four episodes? Of course it was picking up after that plot-serving trash. What the hell is wrong with you?
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Orator Plegg - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:48:46 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62493
It was "picking up" in the same sense that a garbage fire gets slightly less crap when the wind is no longer blowing the smoke straight in your face. If you thought it was any kind of real improvement, I don't know what to tell you. You have cancer in your eyeballs or something. Get out of here, being offended in the stead of some dumb show. Go write some Mike/Tilly slash fic or whatever the fuck it is you fanboys do.
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Geordi La Forge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:51:54 EST ID:WiKQv2fM No.62497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62488
lol speak for yourself I haven't watched this shit
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Admiral Maxwell Forrest - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 17:22:50 EST ID:uOl3QzqF No.62498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62496
lol that's a great description of STD

Yeah the professionally offended should just acknowledge how terrible the show is and move along like me, the show fucking does suck though
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Cmdr. Williams - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 14:40:28 EST ID:DqSBGF10 No.62534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And now we can look back at this bit of awfulness from before the awfulness. The Discovery Panel at the 2017 Vegas event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqgWXTeyQs

>"I've always loved fantasy and sci-fi"
>Bitch then says her first Trek exposure was the 2009 movie
>everybody on the panel says they've always loved the show
>nobody can name anything other than whales and pointy ears
>Doctor Gay forgets what a hypospray is called
>then calls it a hyperspray; gets it right the third time with the crowd yelling it at him
>says he loved TNG as a kid and then calls Jonathan Frakes 'Jonathan Frakas'
>this is also after Frakes had directed him
>guy who plays a nuKlingon who also loved Trek all his life talks about playfighting with a "metcliff"
>bragging about the set design and 'cinematic look'
>can't see any of it in the pilot thanks to darkness, lens flares and low camera angles
>doctor gives a speech about Discovery being important because non-white lgbt kids will watch it and be empowered
>nuKlingon actress makes a very wobbly accusation of colonization at the Federation
>the shape of nuKlingons' heads is because of "sensors and pheromones"
>nuKlingon actress says she has "a very deep desire" to become fluent in Klingon

It's kind of shocking how little they have to say about the show, other than that playing a Klingon must have been a massive daily kick in the balls between the makeup, costume and saying the lines. They endured it believing they were a part of something special. I wonder how they felt after they watched some of the completed episodes.
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Karr - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 19:11:41 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62535
>gets personally offended when someone dislikes their favorite show
>is not a fanboy

wat
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Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 00:00:58 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For real though the show picked up significantly.

And then it slumped.
Now we've got a half season break coming up for no good reason.

Anyway in Star Trek tradition I assume this show will pick up for real sometime around when Worf joins it and/or it gets cancelled.
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Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:28:25 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62551
It stopped slaving to its plot and started giving time to characters, which is one of the main aspects of Trek.

>>62552
It's serialized. They can't fix much about it episode to episode.

They're just not balancing the main aspects of Trek correctly. Sometimes Discovery gets it right but it's all over the place.
I'm terrified of the Stamets multiverse shit going off the deep end at this point.
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Karr - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:23:18 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62553
That's one of the main aspects of ANY tv show, you worthless shill. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but you already acted like a total cunt simply because some of us aren't sucking this show's dick. Go watch any modern TV show, and they're developing characters.

Frankly, I think it's ludicrous to try and force this view of this show being loyal to the Trek formula. It isn't. Not in the way it treats its characters, its plot, anything. It's a new sci-fi show with the Trek label slapped on there, and if it weren't, threads about this shit would probably be removed from this board. Because there's zero Star Trek pedigree in there
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Lt. JG Saavik - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:17:48 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.62557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only way they can save STD if fat Riker shows up at the final episode, pauses the holosuite, and says that Ensign Crusher's reinterpretation of historic events was big fat pile of klingon shit.
Then Sisko shows up to punch the shit out Crusher (who is wearing an STD shirt and baseball cap) whilst Picard scolds him.

Then the credits roll and every name is preceded by "I'm sorry"
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Weyoun 7 - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 10:55:47 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62558
>Get fucked

Solid argument, fanboy.
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Commander Donatra - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:14:26 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The episode was decent. I hate the cheap mind season break tactic but whatever.
But now knowing that the sport drive has landed them in an alternate universe,it starts to make up for a lot of the dumb shit. I'm interested to see where they take this. It can go a million different ways from here.
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Ensign Hogan - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:08:24 EST ID:ZLqTXB8I No.62651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62646
The cliffhanger thing is why this show is made for normies not fans

I mean this action space show should be on /mtv/
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Juan Cena - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:47:47 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.62654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62651

It seems Discovery is trying to stay focus on the arc. In other Star Trek shows, there are arcs but they tend to be spread out. I guess they want to be different.

[url]http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Story_arcs[/url]
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Jannar - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:39:04 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62701
Yeah it was horrible.

I guess i have a month or two to decide if I'm bored enough to waste my time continuing it after it comes back on.
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Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:00:39 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62714
And to think that Star Trek was always very sex-positive, and had so many attractive characters, conventionally and unconventionally.

We could have seen Archer go to town on that sexy space slug.
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Guinan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:26:27 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62716
Lol Dr Gaybeard

I just keep thinking about the part of the last episode where he's yelling out gay mushroom man's heart rate like everyone can't see it on the GIANT ASS VIEWSCREEN
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Chairman Koval - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:41:18 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62716
You know I used to mention exploitation movies of the various genres and some dude who collected movies and knew nothing about them used to ask me as if rhetorically "Who was being exploited"

The audience. It's always the audience. You either give them a high concept proposition they can get their head around immediately, or you play into one pre-existing in their head. There is no other way.

At least there wasn't in the 70's. We've completely moved on from selling people a known quantity to get them interested.
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Lt. Reginald Barclay - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:26:06 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62711
Not enough honor.
Would not fuck.
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Legate Turrel - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 02:35:05 EST ID:CqzmvBTm No.62778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62776
man I was so excited for a new star trek because in my head there was no way they could make something as bad as ENT...

I sometimes wish to go back to those naive, blissful days
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Chairman Koval - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 12:18:29 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62785
I mean, to be exploited on the merits of legendary coolness and Kung Fu badassery is almost like propaganda in your favor.

Hell, Foxy Brown is also exploiting the amazon valkyrie women's power shit too. That's to tantalize feminists, because it's empowering as well as men, because it's fucking hot. See: Wonder Woman
And then there's all of the shock value. As much as they could afford
The Blaxploitation angle of it isn't actually that big a piece of the exploitation pie. It's not dominant.

The "Black culture" they were exploiting was kind of fair game. Somewhere like 70% on a scale of minstrel shows to Roots. The target demographic was significantly black people so they're cheap and cheesy but mostly not very harmful I think.
They're packed to the rafters with stereotypes and shitty tropes but I'm not Anita Sarkeesian and blaxploitation really wasn't bucking any trends among the B-movie category in that regard.
The most fucked up thing about them is that they were the only way for a lot of black actors to get into film. But several of them became American icons over it and they knocked those walls down.

You know that Ashton Kutcher Steve Jobs movie? That's an exploitation film.
And on the subject of exploitation and American icons. I leave you with a final two words:
The Re-Animator From Beyond
Jeffrey Combs
This is still a Star Trek board goddamnit
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Chairman Koval - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 12:53:17 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Ashton Kutcher Steve Jobs movie
Here's a riveting read: The production company that made Jobs.
It was also bankrolled by Five Star Institute which is a Real Estate trade association.

Anyway this is some exploitation by the purveyors of today's b-movies. They're big enough that you've heard of these movies, but you also heard they were shit.
The shock value is in Ashton Kutcher's disgusting performance, and the gore is on hold until such time as Steve Jobs becomes the CEO of disemboweling Ashton Kutcher in hell.
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Lt. Reginald Barclay - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:27:46 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62784
>shroomjump

Is that like shark jumping?
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Belongo - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:43:47 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62843
Look! Half our SFX budget shot off in one go!
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Borg Queen - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:46:42 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62843
>Ryuhei Kitamura's Star Trek
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Emperor Reclaw - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:01:03 EST ID:UvGUOAd0 No.62862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm enjoying it. I don't know if y'all remember star trek but it is not consistently good or thoughtful or high concept or any of the things you are judging Discovery over
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Grimp - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:35:36 EST ID:mL6C0n9v No.62884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62843
just like one of my japanese animes
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Captain Goroth - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:28:42 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63310
Not the person you're replying to but he just seems kinda like a generic kinda evil captain. He's got the secret experiments, he goes against starfleet at every turn. He's shown that he's very warlike. He may not necessarily be evil, but he seems very opposite to most captains, and every captain that has been the captain of a show. Plus the eyes thing kinda seems like a dead giveaway, and the fact that he prefers the dark instead of getting his eyes fixed because he doesn't like doctors or something.
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Guardian of Forever - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 16:25:00 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63312
Actually he doesn't get his eyes fixed because he views it as penance for the destruction of a ship that he was forced to engage in. Lorca is, in theory, supposed to be pretty complex in his motivations and such. The writing hasn't really filled that out yet though.
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Kira Taban - Sun, 07 Jan 2018 22:36:57 EST ID:vKLXxy3+ No.63370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The post 404'ed, but I totally called The ptsd security officer shithead as being the Klingon spy.
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Albert Macklin - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 03:59:25 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.63374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63373
Is it even worth picking this show back up?
I saw the new episode was out and just didn't care. Is it at least pointing to a promising point?
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Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 04:05:37 EST ID:r1BxwlQg No.63375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63374

Riker directed it.

Other than that, not really.
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Sarina Douglas - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 04:31:52 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63374
I didn't even know it was back until yesterday or today. Normally I keep up with that kind of stuff.

For me personally, yeah, I'm going to keep watching it but its not one of those shows that I'm going to make sure I watch right away or save for a night when I have the time to relax, get loaded, and really enjoy it. I'm not really excited for it but its sci-fi and its Trek at least in name so I'll continue to watch. Its slim pickins out there these days.

Its more of a just grab it and watch it whenever kind of show for me. If there were better things on I wouldn't care to put off watching the newest episode for several weeks. The thing is there isn't much out there I haven't seen so its, mostly, better than nothing.

I don't know if that helps at all or even makes sense. For some context I work a lot and, save for the 1-2 1/2 days off I get a week, am usually only off at odd hours at which point there isn't much to do but watch tv, work from home, or hang out on IRC/the internet if my situation was different I might skip it. For stuff I really like I usually save it for one of those 1/2 days off, get trashed, and chill on the couch and watch them like that. For the rest I usually have it on while I'm on the computer. Disco falls into the latter category.

Then again I did watch the full Stargate: Infinity series one day for the sake of completionism and once somehow watched like 9+ hours of curling so...
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Private E Hamboyan - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:37:27 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Haven't watched the new episode, plan to tonight.

But I watched the RLM mid season catch up thing as a good recap.
https://youtu.be/DpHbLewg79c
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KC Hunter - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 01:04:46 EST ID:zs0q/fzD No.63383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Lorca's from the Mirror universe right? Federation Lorca died with his old crew? Mirror Lorca escaped to the Federation universe and snuck his way into the Federation and took the most violent command he could find?
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:29:13 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63383
that's my guess.
the fact that in the mirror universe he killed Burnham and disappeared can't be a coincidence. Maybe he wanted to get the discovery to the mirror universe to finally defeat the emperor. And we'll have some drawn out arc where Burnham and crew eventually leave Lorca to his fate in the mirror universe, leaving Burnham as captain.
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Lt. JG Ayala - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 11:38:39 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's... not what the Defiant looks like.
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Guinan - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:07:32 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61938
Tried to watch the new episode and fell asleep. I think I'm done with STD.
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Guinan - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:07:33 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>61938
Tried to watch the new episode and fell asleep. I think I'm done with STD.
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Lursa - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:08:34 EST ID:/EZxsCMr No.63393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63389

The first thing a warlike Empire would cut down from the mainline universe designs is that weak neck section.

Stands to reason everything would look a little more like Voyager or the DS9 Defiant.
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:25:40 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've got no beef with them fucking with the design of the constitution in the mirror universe.
I mean you can pretty much take any liberties you want in the mirror universe, that's what makes it so dope and fly and fresh
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Senator Kimara Cretak - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:37:30 EST ID:mdVmcA+X No.63397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62305
> Knowing the thing you write about helps. However a talented writer who is a man who has had a relationship with a man would be an asset to a writing team

Maybe. It's a hilarious irony that the better writers of lesbian fiction tend to be men.
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Juan Cena - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:17:52 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.63398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63396

If Vulcans from TOS through were just touch telepaths, how do you explain the ending of ST3? The Vulcans weren't using physical strength to carry Spock.

As well, how do you explain what Spock did to Sirah at the end of the Omega Glory? Or, what Spock did to the prison guard in a Taste of Armageddon?

Vulcans have always been op.
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Vosk - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 06:47:16 EST ID:R20CWgk8 No.63405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63400
I dunno, maybe short neck is just the design theme of Discovery as a series.

What I don't like is the little bend in the nacelle struts. That's very clearly established as where the design was going with the refit and enterprise D.

They're already more prominent than the Enterprise A, but the struts are already angled upward so there's no reason for it. Maybe it looks better this way on the full model?
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Guinan - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:39:00 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63411
>>63410

Okay.. that actually does make sense.. it's shitty and disappointing but it makes sense
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Bernardo Calvera - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:54:21 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63429 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63426

Oh god can we get insider dirt on his contract?
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Mezoti - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:36:35 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63445
Dude, they have a warp drive powered by magic mushrooms...reality was left in the dust long ago.

Man, even as a slave Saru is a bottom bitch....
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Nevala - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:16:25 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63445
>they went with the insta-freeze when you're spaced bullshit.

That's not what that is. If you got spaced you would pass out in moments and you'd be outgassing water vapor from just about every surface of your body.

This is from someone with a fever, whose hands and face were steaming this morning when I stepped outside.
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Nevala - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:18:47 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63453
Additionally, evaporative cooling would really fuck up your eyes and fast.
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Lon Suder - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:02:52 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.63455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
VULCANS WITH BAZOOKAS

This show is BADASS. Everything is bigger, including the guns.
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Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:29:44 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63453
>>63454
http://www.iflscience.com/space/what-would-happen-your-body-space-without-spacesuit/
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Dr. Denara Pel - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:30:18 EST ID:EWDiVpiX No.63460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63449

People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

Trek is dead.

At this point you either need to embrace the camp (jjtrek and disco), rerun the same plots with slightly different costumes (orville, and probably trekantino), or do a significant reboot that builds a more plausible universe but with the same ideals. I think JJtrek was right that Trek needs a reboot, but the implementation was trash. It needs to be more significant. They just need to rip off the bandaid and rewrite the whole universe... piss all the fans off at once, but start with something more plausible.
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Vosk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:16:38 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63460
>but the implementation was trash.
No, it was fine. Trek 2009: A whole new timeline full of promise and anything could change. A WHOLE NEW WORLD HOORAY!
JJTrek 2: Wrath of Fucking Khan, but terrible.
Star Trek Beyond: The best movie in the franchise can no longer save the franchise

The worst thing is, I don't even think JJtrek 2 was even a studio-meddling affair. I think Orci, Kurtzman and fucking LINDELOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfuck you had that bright idea all by themselves and just circle-jerked it to conclusion. Then JJ fucking LIED about it.

This kills the franchise
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Dexter Remmick - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:46:07 EST ID:N/hc1a2f No.63462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63460
Nah, reboots are lazy. Go boldly where no man has gone before or go home.

Why not just go forward? The federation could face new kinds of existential threats when it absorbs two whole quadrants and can handle the borg (which still needs addressing). There'd be cold war with the dominion (who can probably project more force for the size of their empire) and trying to befriend the romulans to handle. Then there's the war with the sphere builders to cover. Or not because we've been there already.
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Dexter Remmick - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:15:26 EST ID:N/hc1a2f No.63464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63463
>creator is dead
>cameos
Didn't stop DS9 being good
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Corporal F Hawkins - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:26:08 EST ID:X7zdSdse No.63466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63465
>>inconsistency in my star trek?
How many people do you know that shit on DS9 or TNG because they stepped on the TOS canon? No one even remembers or cares about the things they retconned. You're making a flawed argument. Of course the only options are to either do something old or do something new, there's no other category. But being true to the spirit of something and doing something new with it are not actually mutually exclusive ideas, it's just the film and TV industry has completely lost the capacity to do it correctly.
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Vosk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:10:52 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63464
It didn't make Voyager good either.
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Gul Darhe'el - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:28:06 EST ID:klCEJxca No.63469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63467

Didn't mean damn, autocorrect.. Was going for "fan culture"

But it works too nb
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Lwaxana Troi - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:28:48 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63460
>People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

The difference in my mind is what we actually know. Niven's work is a good example here since he is a hard sci-fi author. If you read ringworld or some of his other early works there are some physics issues and things that are just wrong because we don't know that much about it. By the time the second Ringworld novel came out MIT had picked Ringworld apart and put it back together and Niven updated his work to be more accurate.

We know what spacing does to someone. There is no reason to fake that bullshit. It would actually have more impact if they would have show the real impact of spacing and would certainly have been something the Terran Empire would do considering the death is pretty horrible. They way they portrayed it in the show they might as well have just removed them from the stream mid-transfer.

The mirror universe on the other hand is something we have had since TOS so you just kind of go with it. We also have no idea how parallel universes or pocket universes work in real life yet or even if they exist so it is much easier to suspend your disbelief. With enough universes out there there could easily be one like the one portrayed in the show. It may turn out that it is actually easier to go to other universes if they are similar to ours rather than one completely foreign or that the mirror universe is just the most easily accessible one from the prime timeline.

As for multiversal fungus and giant waterbears well, its just fucking stupid, is brand new, and fucks with the established timeline which puts it into a completely different category than something like the mirror universe.

>At this point you either need to embrace the camp (jjtrek and disco), rerun the same plots with slightly different costumes (orville, and probably trekantino), or do a significant reboot that builds a more plausible universe but with the same ideals. I think JJtrek was right that Trek needs a reboot, but the implementation was trash. It needs to be more significant. They just need to rip off the bandaid and rewrite the whole universe... piss all the fans off at once, but start with something more plausible.

Trek does not need a reboot, it doesn't need to be STD or JJ, and it doesn't need to rerun the same plots. What Star Trek needs, and what pretty much every fan wants, is for Trek to move forward. Rehashing the same old shit in a reboot is dumb, putting a new series in between a series from 2001-1966 in 2017 is fucking stupid. It just fucks with the continuity and doesn't work.

We should be post Nemesis. That doesn't mean we have to be directly post Nemesis either. We could easily be fucking around with transwarp and exploring Andromeda a few hundred years post Nem. Then you have brand new content that isn't bound too much by established cannon, can use the updated things we have today, and can be fresh without being a reboot.

Star Trek isn't "dead" because there is no room for new content or because its become to convoluted its because STD is trash and JJ was trash. There is still a ton of potential there but they are going about it the wrong way.

>>63465
>Because that still leaves you in the exact same bind. You either recycle plots that make fans feel cozy but that do nothing new creatively, or you try something new and have fans tear you apart for every inconsistency (in a universe that's already inconsistent).

Its not an either or scenario. There wouldn't be inconsistencies if you didn't reboot the franchise(JJ) or create a show in 2017 set 10 years from a show from 66 that is nothing like what it was 10 years later in universe.

If you move forward then there isn't a whole lot you can get slammed for consistency wise because you aren't trying to bridge ENT and TOS. You just move forward into a new era with the timeline intact.
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Greer - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 11:56:05 EST ID:TWSDe718 No.63475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63470
>People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

Anything can happen in the universe EXCEPT in every universe you sleep with the same people at the exact same time in order to conceive the exact same people in. So if Michael Burnum is really dead in the mirror universe that means Michael Burnum in the main universe never has any children OR they've both had a child already. So I think that she isn't really dead because I think that Burnum is the great great grandmother of Reginald Barclay who, in the mirror universe, is the Terran responsible for aubergine powered body cloaking devices.
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Tavek - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:16:27 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63479
But hey, you made a fast buck and got to ogle some tits at the casting call!
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Cyrano Jones - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 19:17:10 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watched the Pilot, have some thoughts.

On the visuals, they are too busy for me. It seems like everything so over-designed that it looks more like a high-tech version of 40k then Star Trek, which always to me, was nicely understated in much of its looks. The seemingly religious reverence for lens flare is also worn out its welcome, back in the rebooted Star Trek movie.

Characters? Seem good. Bit worried the show might start bending backwards for Michael but that's not happened, and that's just a worry from how I've seen other main characters done in Star Trek. I also don't like that she seems to be the only focus, but that might because we're doing a build up to Discovery proper, and the new crew.

By far my biggest problem is the setting. How in the fuck does ANY of this fit pre-TOS? In DS9 holocommunication was literally invented (and scrapped) in the middle of the series and here its just casual tech, before as far as I know, the holodeck even bloody exists! You also have Michael's backstory which is so fucking shlock it was banned in Fan-fiction! Then you have the mammoth continuity problems that this show is going to cause. You think Worf, a fairly religious Klingon might have said something about a religious sect attempting to reunite the houses, claimed to have the reincarnation of Kaheless (Which, again, doesn't seem to have been a thing for Klingons) and had radically different ideas on the treatment of bodies?

I'm so sick of TOS naval gazing in Star Trek. Almost all my major problems could be easily solved by setting the show post VOY/DS9 (it'd easily explain the radical shift in behavior in the Klingon). Just more big corporations jerking themselves off and playing it safe.
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Jaresh-Inyo - Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:54:00 EST ID:iM6s/QmO No.63533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh shit why are so many of the fan theories true?

AshVoQ was super foreshadowed in addition to blatant fake IMDBs. But I honestly didn't expect mirror Lorca to be the case

Anyway, a few episodes from now is when I would have liked the pilot.
Terran Empire looks so goddamn good. For all of its faults and its slow start it has always been gorgeous.
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Ulis - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 00:12:11 EST ID:51Oyzcxc No.63534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63533

Called it!

Puts the crew in an interesting position. Next few episodes will be all about which devil to trust?
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Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 05:55:49 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63536
You're right. Considering her cult like dedication to the captain, it seems like she has been with him since the mu
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Latha Mabrin - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:04:23 EST ID:EWDiVpiX No.63539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Kelpiens.

So apparently we know they're rare in the Federation universe. In the Empire universe (sexyverse) they seem more common, probably because they're being bred for food. I hope season 1 ends with them shuttling a couple thousand Kelpiens back to the Federation universe. Only because...

Kelpiens are a prey animal. Which probably means they breed like rabbits. I hope season 2 is basically "The Trouble with Kelpiens" where the Federation is completely overrun with fear ganglia.
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Beverly Crusher - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 19:08:56 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63540
She ate the fear boner.
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Beverly Crusher - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:51:52 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63546
I dunno...I just read an IO9 article that makes a good case for rage quitting the show after that big Lorca reveal. We were told Lorca would show "another aspect of Starfleet." That he was darker, more violent, but that is because of the war. Instead, we got Mirror Lorca. Which is sort of a fucking cop out. Basically, we were promised some subtlety and the line between Starfleet's military and exploratory missions, and instead got rehashed TOS concepts. Lorca isn't some hawkish Starfleet officer, he is just an evil dickhead. Not cool.
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Ardon Broht - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 14:33:05 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63578
The only episode in season1 that I'd say is unforgivable is Code of Honor, really.
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General K'Trelan - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:08:39 EST ID:zLdK3mw0 No.63588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I don't get all the Discovery hate on this board. Every Trekkie I know IRL likes Discovery. I think it's waaaaay better than Voyager or Enterprise ever were on their best days. You guys are just so set in your ways. Come join us normies in 2018.
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Ambassador Shras - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:34:08 EST ID:NEpUYAaQ No.63589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63588
>Trekkies
>normies

pick one.
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I.G. Keval - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 03:50:44 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63588
Saying it's better than ent or voy is opinion.
It's definitely not better than ent but maybe slightly better than voyager. But voyager still wins because it actually is "trek" instead of some generic sci fi show on a starship that threw everything out the window so that it could be Game of Thrones in space.
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DaiMon Tarr - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 05:00:48 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63591
At this point its been beaten to death many times over but thats how I see it. As grimdark sci-fi its slightly under average however this isn't some generic sci-fi show its fucking Star Trek and in that regard it fails miserably.

nb because same old, tired arguments from the STD fanboys
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Weyoun 8 - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 14:26:20 EST ID:kYb6aaGt No.63595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63593

>nb because same old, tired arguments from the literally everybody.
Fixed
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Private E Hamboyan - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:03:05 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63591
>It's definitely not better than ent but maybe slightly better than voyager.

But VOY was better than ENT. Is this some rock paper scissors thing?
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Curzon Dax - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 08:06:02 EST ID:dq5kUGfE No.63603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63574
A Barsoom TV show with that aesthetic would be pretty fucking cool, tho, and I think I would love this series if that's what it was. Give the Green Martians the new Klingon look, the Red Martians the new Terran Empire look, and adapt a novel for each season's arc, and there's a pretty good Game of Thrones in Space.

I haven't watched Discovery yet, but I'm not offended by its style or interpretation. I'm just not interested enough in it to pay or otherwise try to seek it out. I think each Star Trek has been a reflection of the times in which it was produced both in content and art direction. TOS was thoroughly a product of the 60s, TNG the late 80s/early 90s and so on up to Enterprise expressing, and being greeted with, a post 9-11 weariness. If STD is as soulless and cynical as its critics make it out to be then it's following in that series' tradition if no other.
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Dr. Reyga - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:02:56 EST ID:nCcVoj5C No.63605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63603
Okay, here's the deal. The second half of Discovery is much better than the first.

At first it just felt like they were stringing everyone along, drip feeding the fulfilling character moments and real trek shit at such a low rate that it's hard to blame Trek fans for losing interest and cancelling their subscriptions.

I just spent 3 fucking days in the hospital with BBC America and I can definitively say anyone who thinks Voyager is better than this has fucking brain damage.
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Senator Kimara Cretak - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:34:07 EST ID:oX5Fh7++ No.63609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63607
I am beyond sick of retarded fanboys chiming in with pointless stupidity. Nuke this cancer and split off into a Discovery hate thread you fucking sycophants.
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Senator Kimara Cretak - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:58:25 EST ID:oX5Fh7++ No.63610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63608
>Voyager inconsistent writing
Voyager has the most consistently bad writing of any Star Trek series. And it knocks all the others out of some kind of park.
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Ishka Moogie - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:00:39 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63609
Its funny that the people defending std on the internet are always the ones to get angry and vitriolic.

If your delicate sensibilities can't handle your show being criticized then stay off the internet or at least away from where people are discussing it. Every other show gets criticized so why should we ignore the glaring issues? Because you're trying to ignore them?
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Q - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 10:44:22 EST ID:HeHZTJt1 No.63612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63611
They're not critizing. They're shitposting. You can't criticize a show you aren't even watching.

Just lay off the easy shitposts. The traffic on this board is too low to support them.
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Tora Ziyal - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:16:11 EST ID:oX5Fh7++ No.63622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63621
You know why Enterprise is better than Voyager? There's less of it. In Guinan's cocktail analogy, Voyager is 70% flavorless Leola root water, and I've seen every one of them. There simply are not enough good episodes proportionally to make a splash or an impression or a memory.

For all of Discovery's faults I remember it. It has an actual flavor. It is not a bland, nothingburger leola root.

Voyager's crime of endless blandness cannot be glossed over or forgiven. It was overwhelmingly a bunch of hack writers spinning their wheels writing filler episodes. Voyager is so much filler that it hardly has an identity. Nothing could possibly suck more than that.

Voyager is the fucking american Office of Star Trek. Endless fucking filler. It's like Star Trek: Insurrection on a fucking loop. Enjoy your brain damage retard.
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Guinan - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:11:46 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63622
>v'gr pwnt

Gotta admit though, I loved every Voyager episode that had anything to do with the afterlife, Barge of the Dead & Coda, for example. Or the one where Harry Kim got cocooned into another dimension or something.. or where Janeway goes on some weird acid trip journey to like save kes or something stupid. There were certainly juicy bits in the voyager cocktail, but like the marshmallows in a knockoff version of lucky charms, there were simply not enough of them to make the mix palatable
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Commander Donatra - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:27:01 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63622
>Enterprise was so bad that it got canceled sooner than Voyager, therefore it's better than Voyager.
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Species 8472 - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 02:58:10 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63603
Wew lad, you don't want to get me started on Burroughs. There is so much potential there. Caspack would make an amazing series. Beyond 30 aka the lost continent would make an amazing miniseries with an option to make a full series after that if they want to expand on it which they could easily do.

Barsoom would be the best but hardest to do. Its pretty much checks all the boxes and Burroughs created a wonderful, diverse, expansive world so it would never get dull. You'd really have to have fans working on it though to really capture the spirit of it.

I also kind of feel like while the transitions from Carter's stories to his children's would be somewhat well received the transition from the Carter family to Ulysses Paxton would piss a lot of people off. Still there is plenty of material to work with without Paxton.

As much as I would love this I just feel like they would fuck it up and that is a shame because if done right I think a lot of people would love it.

I've been let down too many times on Barsoom films to have any hope that they would do it justice but I hope it happens. Its just begging to be made into a series.

Of course I am a little biased since Burroughs and Barsoom in particularly is one of my top writers/series though Larry Niven will always be number one for me.

Speaking of which Niven's Known Space is just begging for a good adaptation and I think if done right it could spawn a franchise larger than Trek. I know Ringworld miniseries is in the works from HBO and I'm hopeful but that doesn't even scratch the surface of what this universe could be if done right. I would blow the Marvel TV/movie franchise out of the water.

Tales of Beowulf Shaffer series, Gil the Arm procedural, Ringworld and Of Worlds films, Man Kzin Wars anthologies and more all tied together to weave a wonderful story that could be enjoyed standalone or as a whole. I want thins more than anything.

>>63607

kek agreed.

>>63608

If it is the subscription holding you back I would be more than happy to upload previous episodes and all the new ones as they air in whatever quality you guys would prefer.

>>63605

Much better isn't saying much at all. Half a pile of shit is still shit. Voyager at its best is far better than STD at its best and at least VOY felt like a real trek show.

>>63609

This is a discussion thread not a STD fanboy safe space. All discussion is allowed and its overwhelmingly negative to the point where no on is even discussion the new episodes. Not because we aren't watching but because there is nothing to say that hasn't already been said a million times.

I'm beyond sick of all the STD fags whining about people not liking Battlesstar: Michael Burnham and getting butthurt when everyone doesn't circle jerk the show. If that is what you want hang out on plebbit.

Make some new arguments that haven't be beaten to death and perhaps you might get some decent discussion. Most everyone agrees that VOY wasn't great but its nothing compared to STD plus what kind of fucked up metric is that?

>>63612

>They're not critizing. They're shitposting. You can't criticize a show you aren't even watching.
And what do you call what you are doing?

Also, many of us are still watching hoping against hope that it gets better at some point. There really isn't much else on at the moment and since I recent finished a completed my 6th full rewatch of the franchise as well as a rewatch of my other Sci-Fi classics there aren't really better options. Its decent enough for what passes as Sci-Fi these days but its certainly not a fantastic addition to the Trek franchise.

>>36616

Nailed it, Guinan. I'm 100% open for discussion as long as some effort is put in to it. At this point if they are just going to keep coming back with the same arguments then I'm just going to redirect them to the threads where its been answered 100s of times. Why should I put effort in when they don't?

>>63610

And there is a perfectly valid reason why Voyager is what it is. STD doesn't have one. They had a great base to build off of, a gigantic budget, plenty of time, and all the other series to build off of but somehow they managed to fuck up pretty much everything. STD has no excuses considering how bad it is.

>>63612
What do you call your posts if not shitposts? They bring nothing to the table. Why do you expect us to rehash the same shit over and over for your benefit when you can just reread the thread and the previous thread and have every snide remake you make BTFO?

>>63622
>You know why Enterprise is better than Voyager? There's less of it.

Except for the fact that it is widely accepted that ENT was getting much better in the last season or two. If it had gone for a full 7 season I think we would have a much different view of ENT.

>For all of Discovery's faults I remember it.

Hmm, maybe because the first season hasn't even finished airing yet.

>>63623

>Voyager is bad so that excuses Discovery being bad.

Pretty much sums up STD fans. Not only is it a terrible argument but it also shows that even Disco fans think its bad and for all its faults VOY is still Trek. STD is not.

>>63625

Just Nutrek fans being Nutrek fans. They have no logic. They are basically Pakleds.
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Curzon Odo - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 00:33:50 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.63635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63634
I think the thing I saw had him back at base and they injected him with some shit or something and then he was on mars
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Furel - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 06:33:37 EST ID:VyKE5J0Q No.63636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The STD look would also have been good for a Mass Effect or Halo adaptation. There are dozens of properties new and old that the STD mood and look would have fit better, but the Trek name is money. Trekkers being the type of fans they are, we came into Discovery wanting to like it, and whether or not they couch it in humor or insults aka "shitposting," folks are mainly just disappointed.
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Dejar - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 09:36:44 EST ID:a0fcmUHf No.63637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63625
Voyager would have been cancelled after two seasons in 2003.

>>63627
>for all its faults VOY is still Trek. STD is not.
Just keep telling yourself that. Judge it by this gelatinous standard of "trekness" instead of how watchable or memorable it is.
You don't care if it's any good at this point. That much is clear.

What's more, if I wanted to see all these same arguments and shitposts I could go to the 1995 usenet archives and read them about Deep Space Nine.
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Lursa - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 11:30:07 EST ID:Sfpyqiu1 No.63638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63637
>Voyager would have been cancelled after two seasons in 2003.

What are you basing this on?
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Guinan - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 23:28:03 EST ID:YgZcIPNC No.63642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63641
>pangolin
9999 big laffs
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Gor - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 04:04:36 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63635
That's POM. John Carter is much much better than POM and somewhat truer to the novel however it is still not that great. They could have done a lot better.

>>63636
>Trekkers being the type of fans they are, we came into Discovery wanting to like it, and whether or not they couch it in humor or insults aka "shitposting," folks are mainly just disappointed.

Very well said. I gave STD more than a fair shake and I still watch it with the hopes it will one day improve however doubtful that might be. If it wasn't Trek I would have stopped watching already. I didn't want it to be as horrible as it is. I desperately wanted an awesome new Trek show. That is not what we have gotten. At least there is STrville.

>>63639
>the first two and a half seasons of DS9 were pretty shit.

This user has been ignored
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Guinan - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 10:11:09 EST ID:/e1QJGKj No.63644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63639
You have shit taste if you don't like the early seasons of DS9.
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Senator Tal'aura - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 22:33:36 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63647
There goes my dream of an STD bottle episode....
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Admiral Cartwright - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 11:03:52 EST ID:qidxkwNh No.63653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63649
Game of thrones could have used a bottle episode or two. Sam and Jorah in quarantine just talkin about things.

But they don't really write good dialogue on that show so much as they select good dialogue from the books so maybe it's better that they just skip shit and never let the timeline settle.
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Corporal R Richards - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 16:30:05 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It makes sense for the insignias on the Starfleet uniform to be dog tags in the mirror universe, but it irks me that in the "prime" universe they're dog tags.
Starfleet is not supposed to be a military organization. Why would they have dog tags unless they were? I don't like that in this iteration of Star Trek they've just totally dropped the facade and are full on imperialist symbolism. It's like they decided to totally disregard all the principles in favor of being warlike. Only two times can I think of that they've made a point to even discuss Federation principles. The first was when they were talking about the sentient planet, which they totally fucked up that one, and the second was when Burnham was preaching to mirror Georgiou.
It's just totally missing minus the hollow speech that Burnham gave.
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Mezoti - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 17:49:34 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63700
I disagree. There have been other references to the civilian/military divide. Stamets comes to mind. He had, fairly early on, a hissy fit about how he just wanted to study space shrooms, so go fuck the military side. Then, you have the whole reaction to Voq/Ash from Killy...I mean Tilly...in the mess hall at the last episode was pretty much a giant shout out for Federation Tolerance. Likewise, Saru hits on a bunch of Federation Values shit when he gives a speech about how Lorca is no longer one of them, but an imposter.

That said....I think you have a point in that they seem to have "buried" these tidbits of what the Federation really is, and that other iterations of Trek would have/could have outright stood up for these values in a more direct fashion.

One thing that is hard to sort of "remember" here is that this is pre-TOS Trek, not post-TNG Trek. TNG demilitarized Starfleet in some serious ways. Kirk was far more of a military man than Picard. Shit, Picard was flying around with whole families on board. In that regard I think STD fits the Trek timeline better.

I do have an issue with the total drubbing that the humans are taking in STD. It seems to me that this leads us down a path fraught with canon-breaking events. This is a mere what? Five years before TOS? And all of a sudden Earth is scarily close to be wiped out by Klingons. Three space stations have been destroyed and one taken over. It starts to feel like something that doesn't fit in terms of TOS. Nobody in TOS was going, "Hey, remember just a few years ago when we almost were all made Klingon slaves? And we lost like 90% of our territory? THAT WAS FUCKY!" I feel like the situation is literally being made too dire to fit into Trek canon. I dunno, I post these while high, so I am certainly rambling.
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Douglas Pabst - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:49:45 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63707
Oh, yeah, the new show is far more cynical. Definitely a deliberate shift in tone. Cynical = CASH in TV now.
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Subcommander Almak - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 13:40:47 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63707
You're reading too much into it. The federation is just a silly what-if scenario some old hippie came up with.
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Colonel Lovok - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 02:32:18 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.63719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've generally been enjoying the mirror universe episodes.

>dat Sarek goatee
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Liquidator Brunt - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:31:47 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63798
THIS! So much of this!

Is saw the end and was like, "Yep, there goes the canon! Everyone get ready for a massive shit to be taken on TOS!"

Jesus fuck, it's like watching a drunk guy on a slack line. "Oh, he's going...no...wait...this will be O.K. And he just puked himself."

STD had its moments. It really did. There was potential too. They just needed to get off of Burnham for two fucking seconds and let the others shine. Do some bottle episodes instead of this long story arc thing...

But that shit at the end? That was too much.
Also, how the fuck are they going to show the interior of the Enterprise without having it look as weird as fuck anyway they do it. Do it TOS style and the interior looks dated as fuck compared to Discos sleek lens flare attracting look. Do it some other way and just make all our fucking heads explode, because Jesus Fucking Christ stop redoing classic shit. Just leave it alone. This is like when Lucas went back and added CGI lizards and "remastered" the Death Star exploding. Everything was great the way it was, please don't take a giant digital crap on it.
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Senator Tal'aura - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:56:20 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.63812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63798
I wish I hadn't read that spoiler. Does it at least look the original or is more like the JJ Enterprise?
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Lt. Darien Wallace - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:01:01 EST ID:k6p5ZTt+ No.63813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63812
It resembles the original more than the JJPrise, but it's still wrong as hell.
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Albert Macklin - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 03:30:31 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.63822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63821
Some fan render for reference.

>>63812
JJprise looks completely fucked up because it's the size of the Enterprise D. The Discovery model shits on JJprise.
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Albert Macklin - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 03:44:55 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.63824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63822
Clip. I think the animation is lame AF. That Enterprise seems much too nimble
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Albert Macklin - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 05:03:41 EST ID:MEA45/k/ No.63828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63825
The Cage model is different from that. The bussard collectors have nipples and the iconic reds are missing. It straight up looks worse because it's the pilot model and The Csge makes very poor use of color compared to the classic look of the original series.

But those improvements are fine right? And in no way might this be an extension of that line of aesthetic development right?

Now they dudn't ever show this because models are expensive. But there was totally an imaginary version of the pre refit original enterprise fitting the TMP aesthetic. I.e the enterprise but less obviously tubes with cutouts and doodads.
And this concept was developed further into the TMP refit.

Seeing how they did nothing weird with it but add TNG blue nacelle glow, and try to marry the motion picture aesthetic with their own it looks right. Almost like if they'd had ILM to make high quality models back in the 60s.

The klingon ships all look like trash still. Nobody can take that away from you.
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DaiMon Torrot - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 05:52:28 EST ID:1ap2q4EY No.63831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63828
>The Cage model is different from that.

No it isn't. The pic I posted before is indeed The Cage model, nipples and all, fresh out of the box. I'll call it The Menagerie model if you'd prefer. Pic related is the 3-foot model, and that's Gene Roddenberry showing it to Jeffrey Hunter who played Captain Pike.

>But those improvements are fine right? And in no way might this be an extension of that line of aesthetic development right?

I already allowed that the ship could've been refitted between The Cage and Discovery, though I put that backwards before. The TMP refit already established that this is a Ship of Theseus situation. Either that or the neck, nacelles, various hull features, and struts can stretch and shrink as necessary.

>Now they dudn't ever show this because models are expensive. But there was totally an imaginary version of the pre refit original enterprise fitting the TMP aesthetic. I.e the enterprise but less obviously tubes with cutouts and doodads.
And this concept was developed further into the TMP refit.

Drawings aren't expensive. Surely someone conceptualized it if the design was later reused, and I've never seen those drawings. Regardless, "imaginary" ships aren't canon.

>Seeing how they did nothing weird with it but add TNG blue nacelle glow, and try to marry the motion picture aesthetic with their own it looks right. Almost like if they'd had ILM to make high quality models back in the 60s.

The Motion Picture look didn't exist in the mid-2250s. And again, the way the ship looks is established. The Remastered TOS episodes rendered the ship after the model, and the Enterprise episode In a Mirror Darkly shows the Constitution class Defiant that's identical to the TOS Constitution class aesthetic.

>The klingon ships all look like trash still. Nobody can take that away from you.

When did I say anything about the Klingon ships? If you're a fan of the show or this amalgam Enterprise abomination they made for it good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that the ship looks wrong.
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Jal Culluh - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:37:42 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63843
>Anyway, none of these are the "Established look" of anything. They're symbols and tokens standing in. Each series has its own established look (Even if it's borrowed from TNG)
That's fine and all, but not if they want me to think they showing me literally the same object the NCC-1701 with no suffix Enterprise I am familiar with. Different lightning is fine, nooks and crannies that only show up on HD are fine too, hell even a different paint job for all I care, but not a different 3d geometry.

If they don't want to do that then they shouldn't write it as if it were the same ship.
Even JJTrek is more respectful of canon in that regard...
This is along with Klingon double nostrils the worst infraction to actual Star Trek Canon as of yet.
FUCK their "artistic" expression, if they want to do an "interpretation" they should do a Batman film or something.
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Tekeny Ghemor - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:06:13 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.63849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63848
>drive section
The first time I meant the impulse engines.

>>63847
>Each series has its own established look
And throughout them all the Constitution class maintained its established look.
TNG and Voyager never used it.
DS9 used the original for Trials and Tribble-ations, an episode where the whole point was to insert them into a 60's TOS episode and it's original aesthetic.
If the episode were instead: Holy shit a Constitution class from the 2250s' came out of the goddamn wormhole, they probably would have used a refit model, because they'd never clash their different aesthetics so drastically.
DS9 loved it's ass some Excelsior class but it wouldn't fly to drop an Excelsior or Reliant looking model (with or without being anachronistic) into Discovery where the space shots are dark and all the ships rely on extreme self-lighting.
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Dr. Mora Pol - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:12:12 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63858
Because they don't like the emergency evacuation separation scenario.

They like the "This enemy can only be tackled with three ships. We only brought two. This requires drastic action that can probably only be fixed at a starbase but fuck it."

And that scenario is dogshit garbage. It's the lamest aspect of Encounter at Farpoint. Also spoiler alert but the legal pressure rushed episodes of Star Trek Continues are kinda weak and the worst fucking one does a saucer separation.
Saucer separation is such a bad use of screen time, except in Encounter at Farpoint where they had a huge overabundance of screen time that needed to be filled.

I think there's something really nice about how we met the Enterprise D with a saucer separation, and then there was no fucking reason to do it again until the ship was destroyed in a shit movie.
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Nava - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:09:09 EST ID:rI/ks6VH No.63866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63865
I'd rather watch series 4 of Ent than STD Part 2.

I'd rather watch STD than any other series of Ent, including 3, though.
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Lt. JG Saavik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:31:53 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63865
I've watched the entire franchise straight through a minimum of 6 times with lots of one shots and things in between. I can say, hands down, both ENT and VOY are miles above STD.

At his point I don't even consider STD cannon. Just because something goes from a big steaming pile of shit(s1/p1) to one left to harden(S1/p2) doesn't mean its not still shit. Its still not Trek and its still not good even for run of the mill non-trek sci-fi. ENT and Voy at least felt like Trek and while they get a, mostly deserved, bad wrap they are still nothing compared to the garbage that is STD and by the looks of things I think it will only get worse.

I just hope this isn't what Trek has become now and will influential to future series.

And, yes, I watched every episode.

I don't get why you STD fan bois always have to state your BS assumptions as facts especially when the general consesus here has been that disco is bad and has always have been and at least VOY and ENT had legitimate reasons for being as bad as they were.

STD had years to develop, tons of info to build off of, and a gigantic budget and this is what they gave us. From S2 on its going to be harder and harder to ever redeem itself. I doubt their budget increase for S2, they wont have as much time writing, developing, and making the second and subsequent seasons, and its just gets harder and harder to redeem themselves and fix all the mistakes as it keep progressing.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:40:32 EST ID:Fa1mUZCA No.63868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63865
I like how your statement gets less and less bold. You know damn well there's no way to know that. Better is in the eye of the beholder, anyway, and it makes sense to me that the type of person who'd enjoy STD wouldn't like ENT or VOY as much. Plus it's just a 6 episode arc. Let it get through a few seasons, then it can be fairly judged against its forebears.

It is good that folks preferred the half of the season that hit the reset button, dumped problematic characters like Lorca and Tyler, ducked the Klingon War, went to the Mirror Universe, hand waved away the Spore Drive, and ended with a smiling crew getting medals and giving speeches. STD moved more in the direction of its predecessors. It should've just started there and "everyone" could've enjoyed the whole season.
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Boq'ta - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:53:34 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63869
> I've seen all the treks too and one thing I can say for sure is all of it is at least 70% shit and maybe 15% gold, but everyone always forgets this and judges the new stuff against their personal top ten percent.

You're forgetting that Trek has it's own metric on what's good and what not.
By production value alone DIS is pretty good actually, but that's not the metric we're judging here.

We're judging how much something is "trek" and "not trek" here mind you not how enjoyable something is to the casual viewer.

What is "trek" has been pretty decently defined by tvtropes:
>It was, for the most part, way on the happy end of the Sliding Scale of Idealism vs. Cynicism, at least partially because of its solid allegiance to the Enlightened side of Romanticism Versus Enlightenment. But it still found some sort of balance between a Dystopia and a Crystal Spires and Togas future.

By that metric DIS may not fall short in being "good" but by being "trek"
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Dr. Mora Pol - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:18:12 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63867
>I can say, hands down, both ENT and VOY are miles above STD.

>>63869
>all of it is at least 70% shit and maybe 15% gold,
These are completely accurate ratios for Ent and Voyager.

Enterprise tried to have a story arc, but the whole Xindi thing just became filler-level trash for a while. You'd pray that the next ep was filler, because at that point, the filler had become the meat.

Deep space nine did a big story arc while peppering it with classic filler and bottle episodes. TNG has a better ratio and the early seasons of DS9 weigh it down, but you can circumvent that by reading the first two season's wiki cliff notes and using that time to watch Babylon 5.

Unlike DS9 however, bab5's filler is trash peppered with important bits of plot and character development. So as much as you'd want to skip to S3 of babylon 5 you can't.
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Dr. Mora Pol - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:44:58 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63871
>We're judging how much something is "trek" and "not trek" here mind you not how enjoyable something is to the casual viewer

I've said this before. Everyone has a distorted view of what Trek is. There are several reasons for this:
The first one is good ol' bias. You like what you liked when you liked things more than you are even capable of now because you're an old cynical fuck.
Second is the overbearing dominance of TNG's stylings and hippie Gene Roddenberry influence. They made that style of Trek for 13 goddamn years and DS9 is the shining jewel that bucked all of that shit. But then there's Voyager which is just TNG slightly crossed with TOS but with absolutely no style of its own other than pioneering the transition from practical models to CGI. Voyager's weakness in this area is why the feel and the style and the format didn't develop into some greater 90's era Trek style. It played it fucking safe. Voyager is 80% TNG style, 20% TOS style.
As a TOS fan in my younger years I can tell you the style is much more varied and malleable than the impression in your head, which is TNG.

End the TNG dominance. Don't go telling people that it's "Not Trek" if it doesn't fall in line with that shit, that's the precise attitude that limited Voyager and prevented it from blooming into its own unique flower.
There must never be another Voyager.
This shit cannot happen again.
Enterprise was at least trying. We just didn't watch it because the fucking tween-bait theme song made us all vomit at first.
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:37:22 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63875
Season 4 of ENT is probably my favourite season of any Treks, while I pretty much skipped season 1. And season 3 was decent. So maybe just by virtue of being so short, this weirdly means that ENT has the best ratio of any series at 25% good and merely 50% dogshit.

Considering it's reputation, I've just conclusively proved that internet Trek fans are retards with rock-solid science.

>>63871
>>63872
None of us are qualified to say what a "casual viewer" would think if we're dorks enough to be arguing over what is and isn't "real star trek".

I also think The Orville is genuinely "real trek" so it's not like any of us were starving for that fix. We got our cake, ate it, and now we're complaining that we also got a pizza or whatever the fuck STD is.
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:52:42 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63879
That's right. I will lead you home, nerds.
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Commander Dolim - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:26:42 EST ID:hzfZdLBQ No.63881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
These idiots with their bullshit percentages and broad brush statements really say all that needs to be said about STD fans. After the season is said and done, the only thing they can fall back on is comparing the show to the two weakest canon shows.

If the show had merit surely they would've spoken it up. In merit's absence, it's "those six episodes that negated the first seven are better than early Enterprise." Good and bad are objective. The fact that the show appeals to morons and jerks is much more telling.
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Silik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:34:27 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63881
>broad brush statements
>all that needs to be said about STD fans
That was quick.
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:34:29 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63881
>road brush statements
>all that needs to be said about STD fans

>Good and bad are objective

you're a funny guy
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Silik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:35:33 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63883
Literally two seconds apart. Jinx!
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Commander Dolim - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:37:54 EST ID:hzfZdLBQ No.63885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63881
*first nine

I pushed the first two out of my brain. Still working on the rest.
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Commander Dolim - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:39:42 EST ID:hzfZdLBQ No.63886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63884
It's almost like idiots think alike or someting.
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Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:42:21 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63882
>>63883

these two just waiting around refreshing the page, lol.
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Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:52:46 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63806
funny how this post got two replies. like dude said. the show has no merit.
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Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:59:57 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63889
if you were getting lucky you wouldn't be here on valentine's day.
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Silik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:07:56 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63887
Both comments were there by the time my post was submitted and my page loaded.
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:10:59 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63890
It's Thursday, the 15th of February where I live. We're a little more advanced than your civilisation, you see.
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Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:15:35 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63891
>>63892

these two still just sitting around refreshing the page, lol
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:25:40 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63893
Checking back periodically when there's an active conversation underway, how embarrassing for me.
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Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:31:46 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63894
>~2:30 in the morning
>Checking back

how embarassing indeed. so advanced of you.
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Silik - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:46:15 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63891
>>63892
>>63893
These three still just sitting around refreshing the page.
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:53:21 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63895
I miss when there was an art to trolling and mere incongruent retardation didn't qualify.
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Trentin Fala - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:56:13 EST ID:R0kdHt1+ No.63898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63896
yup. but only two of us are came here to post made up percentages and defend shitty trek
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Grand Nagus Zek - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:47:36 EST ID:svZDYhtL No.63902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63901
>You're also posting at a time which you think discredits somebody?
>You assume everybody is in the same time zone as you?

you're a funny guy
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:06:13 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63902
And... you're probably the same guy if that was lost on you, which means:
  • You're also a horrendous samefaggot?
I know you won't leave, but you really should.
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:17:36 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63904
Hello again.

See, I can tell you're the same person because nobody would be defending such a shitty poster who's doing his best to ruin what was previously a good thread with white noise.

Mods, please ban and delete this whole awful comment chain
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:20:29 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63905
>>63903

Actually wait, I take it back. I thought these were new names but I was mistaken. Forget the samefag part, I fucked up.
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Arne Darvin - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:24:09 EST ID:8QVvMsWW No.63908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63905
Curious how your comrade disappears then you accuse others of samefagging then when you're told to get some rest you implore the mods to delete all of it.
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Arne Darvin - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:26:30 EST ID:8QVvMsWW No.63909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63906
Didn't see this one. Sorry.

Anyway, let's get back on track. Samefag or not, the point that few people responded to the post about STD's message was raised. Seriously, what was it?
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Kathryn Janeway - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:33:12 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63909
>Seriously, what was it?

Pretty sure it's: >>63810
>"DO SHROOMS".
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Silik - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:35:43 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63909
>>63808
War makes people assholes. But it takes a real asshole to resort to global terrorism. Would Harry Mudd resort to global terrorism? You'd think not, but don't be so sure anymore! #StarTrekDiscovery
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Q - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:05:58 EST ID:8QVvMsWW No.63923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63911
>>63912

Well at least it had something important to say.
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:09:52 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63912
I had high hopes for Mudd, but they fucked him up. When he started killing Lorca's left and right in "time loop," episode, it was too much. Mudd was a crook and a scoundrel, but not really one to go offing people in various gruesome ways. Seemed excessive. Better yet, just avoid canon characters and stay in your own little spore filled universe.
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Syrran - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:13:12 EST ID:3laoG0xO No.63926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
FYI everybody the license CBS got for this shit didn't necessarily include the likenesses of existing hero ships. So it's potentially a legally necessary visual reboot.

And for how fucked up the Discovery looks, and to a much lesser extent the Shenzhhou (You know it's class, It's that one that's not a Miranda. Looks like a Miranda but not a Miranda, a true staple of Star Trek background ships.) Their Constitution class looks pretty fucking good considering.

I just hope the Klingons grow hair some day. The only one with a respectable goatee was a fucking human.
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:43:48 EST ID:TinR0Zso No.63929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63928
>set ten years earlier
I mean.
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Dr. Mizan - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:08:44 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.63930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63928
If after months of repairing their bridge and eating corpses none of the male klingons grew any hair facial or otherwise, they ain't never growing hair.
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Kor - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:47:04 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63928
Yeah I have no problem with the minimalist white look of TOS being a later development. That's partly out of necessity because otherwise there's no way to get there from here, but it would actually be pretty cool to see it happen on-screen.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if they do it in a totally elegant way that makes a bunch of nerds eat they feet, because I get the feeling STD is deliberately doing a lot of shit to enrage "fans" just so it can pull a fast one which retroactively justifies whatever change. That's already happened a tonne; there's a LOT of shit people were criticising early on or before the premiere which ended up making them look fucking stupid which they don't mention anymore, but I think it was all intentional bait. I think that's why there's so much irrational hate for the show--nerds keep getting stymied, which leaves the hate accumulating while the justification is lost, resulting in them becoming increasingly ineloquent and irrational. It's a whole lot like the Reality Television Star Donald Trump in that respect.

To be clear I don't particularly like STD; I don't really feel like I'm the intended audience because I'm too much of a traditional trek nerd myself, but I find this pattern amusing at least. There are rational reasons to dislike it but some of you dorks clearly have an axe to grind.
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Joseph Sisko - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:50:03 EST ID:9Lm/CW9g No.63932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63926
>The only one with a respectable goatee was a fucking human.

After generations of ritualistic shaving, Ash's rebellious locks and manly beard will bring hair back in fashion on Qo'nos, and it'll spread throughout the Empire.
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Trentin Fala - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:13:37 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The finale was so fucking bland and lame. I was expecting some kind of big finale but instead we got this soggy limp dick finale with no substance and pointless callbacks. "Oh my god!! It's PIKE!! Remember THE CAGE??? I remember that!!!"

It's like they're saying "hey, remember this is star trek! we can make it actual star trek if we get a season 2! maybe it will be canon this time, you guys remember Pike right??"

The entire show was an insult but the ending really drove the point home...
Fuck's sake
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Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:16:16 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.63935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63934
Nah, they know people don't give a fuck about Pike.

It's all about getting that Spock guest appearance.
Alternately the show just switches to the Enterprise at this point, Saru is transferred, and Michael burnham is off the show.
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Trentin Fala - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:18:07 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63931
Lol it's a shitty show. "an axe to grind"

I was here defending the show before it even came out. I was saying give it a fair chance. I was saying production difficulties and rumors don't equal a bad show. I made a serious effort to not allow all the bullshit before the show color the way I see it. But it was just fucking shit. Right from the start. And if you really believe that there is nothing serious to complain about the show then you've been ignoring every criticism that has been made, because there are a lot.

I challenge you to list the ways that this show excels. Instead of pointless low effort trolling, why don't you prove your point that the show is good. How does it excel as a show in general and as a star trek show? Come on, I'm leaving myself open for you to drive your point home and make me look bad.
I bet you won't.
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Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:40:15 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.63938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63936
>low effort trolling, why don't you prove your point that the show is good.
There's a straaaaaaaaaaaaw man waiting in the sky. He'd like come and meet us but he's only in your mind.
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Commander Tomalak - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:00:42 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63865
>Everyone who's watched the second half of Discovery can probably admit it's at least a bit better than Enterprise and Voyager.

After watching the second half of Disco S1, I can safely say that you REALLY needed to stay in that hospital.
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Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:12:06 EST ID:qAfEdX/3 No.63941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63939
lol fuck off retard.
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Lt. JG Saavik - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:05:33 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63939
TOS: 100% trek
TNG: 99% trek
DS9: 80% trek
VOY: 79% trek
ENT: 70% trek
ST 20% trek

The thing is that STD season 1 would have made a half decent JJTrek film. Probably the best one yet, still not trek but...
At least the plot condensed into 2.5 hours would have been somewhat enjoyable
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Roger Lemli - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:19:12 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So...here is what I find fascinating about STD...

The reviews are a bit all over the place.

Vulture fucking LOVED it, but their defense of it is pretty weak IMNSHO.
Outlets like IO9 were more "meh," about it and called them to the carpet for some of their crimes.
Trekkies overall seem to be pissed about all the continuity busting they did, as well as the deviation from standard Trek format.

Personally, I am sort of "meh," about it. I don't hate it, but I wish they would stop fucking around with the standard Trek formula and shit so much. Do some bottle episodes for one. Get off Burnham for five fucking minutes and develop the other characters. And stay in your own patch of the Trek universe. No need to go stomping on canon every five fucking minutes. You can just have references to canon shit, but none of this meeting a Pike captained Enterprise. That would work. I think they could get a really tight series out of it too if they did these things.

Anywho, in an effort to be more positive, here are some things I liked about STD...

Saru - First off, despite the weird fear boners, the effects for Saru are pretty good. And Doug Jones does a good job of being alien enough. The way he walks even is pretty weird. His hands sort of float at his sides. Really good work by Jones. Sadly, I think he was underutilized in the scripts as his struggle with instinct vs the need to make hard decisions should have been explored more. I sort of felt like him being captain for that brief time would have been a good place to sort of be like, "So, the guy is a born coward, and now he is captaining a Starfleet vessel. How does that play out?"

Sarek - The actor who plays him does a good job of being a Vulcan. They need to lay off the "super psychic," shit and go back to mildly psychic Vulcans, but I get the feeling the writers only did that shit to boost Burnham's character. Overall, this Sarek is a good Sarek.

Stamets - Liked him best when he was clashing with Lorca over the Science vs Military aspect of Starfleet. That should have been explored more. The writers sort of failed in that regard. But, I think the character has potential.

Now in regards to plots and shit, I like the concept of the Federation being torn two ways during war. The sort of peacenik side of Starfleet clashing with the more hawkish side. The various series touched on this before. I feel like they biffed the whole concept though with the big twist. Why can't Starfleet have officers who are assholes? And needed assholes because they know how to fight well? Anywho, I like what they started going for.
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Trentin Fala - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 16:13:21 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63936
Oh wow I should stop posting when I'm high off my ass.
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Montgomery Scott - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:21:04 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.63958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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but why, why would they fuck this up even worse
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Thot Pran - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:28:09 EST ID:jLCr1o8J No.63959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mfw STD is shit
>mfw The Orville is the ideal Star Trek. You may not like it, but this is what peak Trek looks like.
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Prinadora - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:46:31 EST ID:nCcVoj5C No.63962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63959
>The ideal Star Trek is one that can just rehash previous Star Trek ideas in different combinations with optional dick jokes.

It checks out. You're a typical Star Trek fan.
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Rionoj - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:34:16 EST ID:r+GhCPDQ No.63963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63958
They'll set out trying to unfuck it, end up making things worse for another season or two, and then, in a hasty finale, reveal that the whole show was a Bendii Syndrome hallucination of Sarek's, who secretly regrets never having a daughter.

I hope STD pulls it together, actually. It would follow a proud tradition of Trek shows tripping over their own dick before settling in and getting good. Besides, if it tanks and Tarantino Trek sucks, it could be another Enterprise/Nemesis-esque one-two knockout combo that ices the franchise again.
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Rionoj - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:28:56 EST ID:r+GhCPDQ No.63965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63964
It's bad in different ways than other first seasons, though. I get STD hate for a few of the reasons already given. Canon, era, aesthetics, mood.

That Midnight's Edge video suggests they're going to try to make good with fans and reconcile all the inconsistencies in season 2, and that's what I am hoping STD pulls together. If they keep down the path of shrooms, hairless Klingons, and grimdarkness then kill it now and let's wait to see what QT's got in store.
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Worf - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 23:12:31 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63963
>Enterprise/Nemesis-esque one-two knockout combo that ices the franchise again.

True. The investor's that fund these huge productions expect a lot back for their investment in a "known property." You get too many duds and the money to make the next Trek film will dry up fast.
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Major Rakal - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 00:00:45 EST ID:nCcVoj5C No.63967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63966
That also happens when they make burner spectacle movies like Star Trek Into Darkness. Viewers don't think it's bad when they see it, but it's numbing. You don't want to watch it again and it doesn't make you want to watch more of the franchise.
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Leck - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:18:01 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63964
The only other first season that for me was even close to on par with how annoyed I was at STD was Voyager. I hated creepy Neelix and I didn't understand why they put this stupid rat on the bridge crew. That was quite annoying, but just hating one character isn't anywhere near as bad as hating the entire concept of a show, not liking any of the characters, absolutely hating the lead character, and much more. And tbh, I didn't have much issue with any other Star Trek first season, at least they all had character and a general feel to get you through the uninteresting bits.

Lots of the shows have had "meh" first seasons but none have been absolutely terrible and hated by a good chunk of the fan base. Only CBS could pull off something like that.
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Leck - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 17:21:33 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Btw: Redlettermedia released their re:view for STD season 1 today

https://youtu.be/ri7v-utIcvY
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Broik - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:01:34 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63971
Rich Evans is very wise. Mike Stoklasa is a fuckin' nerd. I watched it muted with captions, I'm not actually sure it was Rich Evans talking but I stand by it.


>>63969
>The only other first season that for me was even close to on par with how annoyed I was at STD was Voyager.
It's like if Neelix were the main character... and good at things.... and not creeping all over 23 year old Kes... and if he shut the fuck up.
He's boring now, but oh well. It's better than the alternative.

Fuck Neelix, Janeway murdered Tuvix.
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:35:34 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63974
The guy who played Lorca and Doug Jones were both good. Everyone else I could take or leave though I did like Lorca's sexy toady. Wish she had stayed around longer. She's the kind of girl I'd pay to stomp on my nuts wearing black spandex.
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:43:00 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63973
Yeah there are definitely some other issues too, but they wouldn't be as glaring if the plot had some motherfucking breathing room and we got a chance to get to know the characters. Hell and maybe we could get to know the bridge crew!
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Worf - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:06:32 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63977
Motherfuckers still haven't explained that weird cyborg chick at all yet.

Come on, they have a full on cyber person just clicking and whirring over there and nobody seems to be saying anything about her at all. Is it an alien from a race that went full Ghost in the Shell? Is it a human brain in a cyborg body....which starts to fuck with canon a lot....is she an android...which would chew canon up, digest it part way, then shit it out in a glorious shitacular spectacle that could be seen from frickin space.
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Lt. Talas - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 06:31:59 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63980
The second half of season 2 will see Burnham travel back in time where it will be revealed she actually built the warp drive instead of Cochrane to get the Vulcans' attention because he couldn't do it. She then brokers peace between the Vulcans and humans. The season ends with them giving her the parts needed to get back to her time only she overshoots and is welcomed to the 31st century by Daniels
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Vash - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:31:51 EST ID:ziQ8ybaW No.63989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63978
I can't believe this is so hard for normie trekkies.
If you didn't sperg out and ragequit Enterprise, you'd know that the Borg Sphere from first contact crashed into the antarctic and was unburied in Archer's time, causing a technological jump resulting in the Abramstrek movies and Discovery.

That's why there's borgs on both the Abramstrek ship and on Discovery.
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:37:07 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63989
Please stop saying normie
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Persis - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:14:05 EST ID:ziQ8ybaW No.63991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63990
I do what I WANT, authoritarian swine
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DaiMon Birta - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:31:12 EST ID:gephjk0M No.63992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>63978
Deafened and blinded and skull busted up. So they put a robocop on her face.

I dunno why they aren't just augmenting humans with internal calculators and real-time clocks though.

They don't know what she's supposed to do though. Kind of a leftover from Bryan Fuller's version. Nothing done to develop the character, just the design. Someone mentioned specialized attachments in some interview.
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Dr. Leah Brahms - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:27:11 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.63993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63992
I guess the rape gangs on Turkana IV started sooner than we thought.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:37:19 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.63998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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As much as I hate a lot of the decisions made on this show, I don't want to see them back off on anything. The die is already cast: I want them to double down instead.

The crew should be bigger assholes whose dysfunctions highlight the contrast between a modern culture extrapolated into the future and the ideals of TOS-era trek. Burnham should be more of an arrogant dick who ruins everything because she's listening to the invisible social justice cheerleaders in her head. Ash should be a bigger douche because he's supposed to be a fucking vulcan. The bridge crew should remain just as anonymous to exaggerate how top-heavy and machine-like this incarnation of starfleet is, although it's fine if cyber girl has an episode where she gets her nips out. And everyone should talk about fungus, all the fucking time.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:40:57 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>63998
> a fucking vulcan
whoops

Also they need to add a kilrathi crewman asap
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Emperor Kahless - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:01:22 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64005
>30-40% of it isn't very good

I believe you meant
>30-40% of it isn't amazing but at least feels like its own thing and not some generic sci fi show and that's what made the show what it is is having its own unique identity among all other sci fi shows

Your argument is stupid. Just because there have been bad episodes before isn't an excuse for some idiots at CBS to throw everything out the window and arbitrarily make a generic grimdark, cynical, garbage sci fi show.
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Dr. Leah Brahms - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:43:27 EST ID:2G6oewNa No.64009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64005
>30-40% of it isn't very good.
30-40% of all Trek outside of STD? I wholeheartedly disagree.

>TOS isn't actually that progressive
That isn't what was said at all and isn't even relevant to the discussion.

Also, I think you are confusing TAS with TOS.

>>64006
Its pretty much the only argument they have. Of course, you can't expect a lot of intellect from these people. They'll blindly defend it at all costs. As I said, I doubt most of these people have even seen the other series. They may have seen a couple episodes here or there but that's it. If they were actually fans and had seen Trek in its entirely at least once they would realize how terrible their arguments are. They are like those "Trekkies" that go to cons dressed as Spock but don't really know jack about Trek.

If you take the Trek buzzwords out of STD I doubt any real fan would identify it as Trek in a blind viewing. However if you did the same for the other series you could tell right away it was part of the ST franchise even ENT and VOY.

Its a mediocre show plain and simple if you base it on the show alone but you can't. Its supposed to be a Trek show and in that regard it fails terribly.. The acting is mostly pretty poor, that characters are way underdeveloped for how many episodes we have gotten, it has almost zero similarities to trek outside of species names and other superficial elements, its poorly written and executed, and its about as far away from ST you can get while still being a show set on a spaceship.

I'll keep watching and I really do hope S2 rights it wrongs, reconciles it with the other series, and we get good, honest Trek moving forward but I really am not hopeful at this point and that seems to be the general consensus among long time fans.
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Persis - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 01:02:58 EST ID:ziQ8ybaW No.64010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64009
Dude, FUCK the other series.
Trek needs a fresh face, Space Liberals is tired as fuck.
Do something cool.

I mean, they even crucified Based Lorca as a Mirror Universe Agent just so you can have your Pure Liberal TNG Trek back.

Fuck you people, you are the acid corroding the possibilities of the future
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DaiMon Birta - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 01:03:31 EST ID:gephjk0M No.64011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64009
>TOS isn't actually that progressive
>That isn't what was said at all and isn't even relevant to the discussion.

That's the culture they're 10 years away from becoming and I don't see all that much of a clash. You know except that the Discovery looks like shit and wouldn't have ever been designed for that show.

>its poorly written and executed
That's what happens when you try to rework a story after the showrunner leaves. At least nobody grew a contractually obligated mustache

>They'll blindly defend it at all costs.
>>63938
>There's a straaaaaaaaaaaaw man waiting in the sky. He'd like come and meet us but he's only in your mind.
No they really don't. Discovery fans criticize the fuck out of the show. You just present arguments that put them in a position of defending it.
>its about as far away from ST you can get while still being a show set on a spaceship.
Excuse me, but Lexx would like to call bullshit on this piece of hyperbole.
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Admiral Alidar Jarok - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 05:06:53 EST ID:BFlLBWVn No.64013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64009
Damn you're super tribalistic for a trek fan, huh? You realise you're talking about a television show with all this "us vs them" venom, right?

Really tiresome.
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Kotan Pa'Dar - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:25:07 EST ID:QYXsFZLe No.64016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64014
I think a lot of fans who are suffering through this era of Trek are taking it that way. Mike Stoklasa in one of the RLM reviews said he enjoyed the show when he pretended it was the far future in a different timeline, and the Trekyards hosts made up their minds that it had to be after seeing the DiscoPrise.

I kind of envy those who can just lock all the previous history in the back of their heads and take STD as its own thing, but STD itself doesn't do that. I think the blow of Trek '09 being so irreverent was softened by JJ coming out ahead and saying it's a different universe. By insisting it's Prime but not adhering to what we know and have seen of Prime, STD is handicapping itself.

A visual reboot constitutes a full reboot in the minds of many, and if the producers wanted to be sure to placate those fans and appeal to outsiders, a full reboot would've been smarter. Now they're gonna hedge. Instead of sticking to their guns and making this show work, it's gonna further muddy things by trying to untie this ungodly knot that's been made.
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Lt. Reginald Barclay - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 06:04:12 EST ID:eWPoZdcx No.64027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64026
Yeah but the lesson from this is that it was abandoned so quickly and thoroughly that by the time it got good it was killed.
Conversely, the lesson for the studios is that changing the look and throwing in a completely tonally inappropriate theme song can and will kill your show while it's still mediocre.

And that's why they only did one of those things. And Discovery really does look like an extrapolated interpretation of the Enterprise aesthetic. So at least it's not blazing an entirely new trail.
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Guinan - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:39:56 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64027
It took FOUR YEARS to get good. It should have never lasted that long, but it only did so on the good name of star trek..
I could see the potential in Enterprise from the beginning but they just never fulfilled it.. Discovery, however, has much less charm and much less potential. If they take another season or two to start getting their shit together it will be the death of trek. Honestly I don't know if the franchise can survive the Mikey Burnham show either way.
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Guinan - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 23:06:06 EST ID:RUbNSsbE No.64035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64034
Maybe I'll have to give the mirror arc an actual chance.. I stopped watching shortly after the midseason break.

And in defense of Enterprise, I can think of one good S1 episode offhand, Sleeping Dogs. Last rewatch I remember thinking s2 was worse than s1 for enterprise overall.
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Commander Tomalak - Fri, 02 Mar 2018 13:54:43 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64052
>I think it did a captain's log once for Saru and Burnham on mirror Shenzhou.

Ironically, one of the best scenes was when Saru was trying to setup a computer algorithm to determine how he was doing at his job. That was some good Trek. It was of course glossed over and never revisited.
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Legate Porania - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 07:18:08 EST ID:9o+7400H No.64211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64209
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