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Star Trek Discovery Discussion IV by Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:35:14 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Number 3 is no longer bumping.

Discovery #3 thread.
Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:37:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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After tonight's episode I think it actually may be making a turn. It just took them way too long to get everything established since they wasted two episodes on the shitty pilot.
Lorca is going more and more rogue by the minute, which keeps stuff interesting.
Also, I gotta believe that Lorca had predicted that the admiral would have been taken prisoner or killed.
I was half expecting him to destroy her shuttlecraft and blame it on the Klingons.
My only gripe is that it was silly for the Vulcans to send their most valuable diplomat, Sarek, out on a shuttle with only 1 guard. Normally you would think that he would have been escorted by a big powerful ship. But that seems to be a recurring theme, as Lorca did the same in the episode before. That's not that big of a complaint though.
Oh, also the cosmic mind meld thing again. I guess I can live with it.
Also, I want to do Tilly in the butt. She got a big ol booty.

Pasted my post from the old thread
Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:04:41 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>DSC Renewed
“In just six episodes, Star Trek: Discovery has driven subscriber growth, critical acclaim and huge global fan interest for the first premium version of this great franchise,” said Marc DeBevoise, President and Chief Operating Officer, CBS Interactive, referring to the fact that Discovery set new CBS All Access records for subscriber sign-ups in a single day, week and month. “This series has a remarkable creative team and cast who have demonstrated their ability to carry on the Star Trek legacy. We are extremely proud of what they’ve accomplished and are thrilled to be bringing fans a second season of this tremendous series.”

I.G. Tarah - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:49:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.61943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
well I'll be dipped in shit

I never expected this to go beyond the bare minimum for whatever legal bullshit this was about.
Good on them.
Minister Kuvak - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:13:54 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly, after watching this week's episode, I am willing accept it if I all previous tv and movie canons and that this is a day zero reboot series.

Also, having this line of thinking make sense as you can let go of the TNG aesthetics and the technology timeline.
Christopher Pike - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:32:23 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.61945 Ignore Report Quick Reply

So it's good star trek if you make yourself forget to compare/associate it to the other star treks?

That's still pretty weak brah
Cmdr. Kelby - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:21:25 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If CBS just admitted that it's not prime, then it would instantly be like 10x better in my mind.
Ensign Vorik - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:43:59 EST ID:qX5lLyFW No.61948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They can't. They sold the show to Netflix calling it Prime. It'd be a breach of contract if they did.
Minister Kuvak - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:02:59 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.61949 Ignore Report Quick Reply

See, if I keep thinking this takes place decades before TOS, then I am gonna be miserable because "it doesn't look right." "all these continuity errors" "the tech is all off" however, if I just think it that "restart the timeline and rebooting it to match our modern day tech" then I am not so miserable watching it.
Amanda Grayson - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:55:06 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.61951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm a high retard and tried bumping the old thread last night ctrl+v
Alright this new episode pissed me off
A FUCKING HOLODECK, FUCK YOU NO! How the FUCK did they manage to build a fucking artificial mind meld machine like 30 min?! Did they have one lying around? Why would a FUCKING STARFLEET ADMIRAL show up to a Klingon negotiation with only TWO FUCKING GUARDS WTF did they not even consider if it was a trap, is Lorca the only non-retarded member of Starfleet, although I was totally ready for him to blow up her shuttle and blame it on the Klingons
Michael's dialogue is painfully awful, but I don't hate her as much as I did originally now that we a tiny smidgen of backstory, Lorca is the best part of the episode
Also that last shot was fucking lame, OoohOHohoh A phaser in his belt so dramatic fuck yourself CBS. Also why fortune cookies, that's so fucking dumb, should've made him like whittle stuff with a knife or carve bone or something
Admiral Owen Paris - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:36:48 EST ID:9Ez1cVaJ No.61952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TAS had a rudimentary holodeck in the rec room, brah.

Discovery only has a combat simulation. No fun allowed.
Seskal - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:11:35 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still not feeling it. Also, Martin-Green sounds really American. She's got a pretty noticable accent. And whenever she's in a Vulcan getup, it just pulls me out of the scene. They might as well have put a guy with a huge Russian accent among the Vulcans.

I also thought she'd end up finding Sarek through sensing him, and guiding the pilot to him. But it turns out they were just going to wake him up so he could press a button. What if he was on the other side of the room?
With Vulcans acting like Jolly Kazon-Americans we're also at a low point in the steady decline of Vulcans. And with the Kazons, this nifty suicide technique was the centrepiece of an elaborate plot. Here it's just a really shitty assassination technique. At first I thought Sarek beamed out, but he's still in the same room. If that assassin had just pulled a gun out of his ass, shit would have gone better.
It's also laying its themes on really thickly. I'm finding this to be a very loud, unsubtle show.
Captain Tel-Peh - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:15:09 EST ID:9Ez1cVaJ No.61954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'm finding this to be a very loud, unsubtle show

Yeah that's true. Fans still throw the word "subtle" around over blatant fan service as if that word means anything after they're done with it.
Franklin Drake - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:15:23 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.61955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And it's not even a single decade. The show is in December 2256 right now, 2257 soon, while Where No Man Has Gone Before was 2265. If it gets to season 7, the end of that season would be 2263!
Brok'tan - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:30:54 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But to be fair, an update was needed imo. It's just that they could have still made it more accurate than the way they did.
But if they kept the look and feel of TOS it would have been pretty outdated looking and very bland. I mean that was 50 years ago.
Mot - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:47:42 EST ID:LyAiH5dp No.61965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can you not tripfag here this is like the chillest least cancerous board on the site
We don't need this to become another /tinfoil/ plz
Brok'tan - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:50:02 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61966 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also, most people that post here make an attempt to contribute to the conversation. Not derail.
Seskal - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 06:45:12 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.61968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The production staff has made it a point to hype their left wing idealism before the show was aired, but there's not a lot in there. Not in the way you'd expect from Trek, anyway. I think its "commentary" is all really flat. Typical TV shows stuff. Very safe. The most I've gotten out of it thusfar was "extremism is kind of shitty" and "hurting innocent critters is kind of shitty". But boy, does it lay it on there.

Pretty much everyone who complains about SJW shit is blowing things out of proportion. DS9 was already treating heavier issues in the same time span.
Subaltern Lorot - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:12:33 EST ID:MPRGSb/f No.61969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Like a lot of people have mentioned, CBS claiming DIS is in the prime timeline doesn't quite sit right. This show supposedly takes place about 10 years before TOS, but everything seems so different and advanced. It's easy enough to dismiss it as "not my Star Trek" and "Star Trek in name only" and I have to agree, It's not the Star Trek that I grew up with and cherish so much. ENT suffered many of the same problems. Although ENT is not one of my favorites, I have come to respect it for what it is. Maybe...just maybe DIS can still pull itself together and surprise us.

So let us assume, for the moment, they're not making the show only as a cash-grab, marketing-stunt, but have some deeper story they want to tell. They absolutely insist DIS takes place in the prime time line, not the Kelvin, not some reboot time line, but the same time line that will lead to TOS TNG DS9 & VOY. How can we reconcile what they have shown with what we know to be true? Let's look at some of the "inconsistencies".

• The Klingons do not look like Klingons.
They appear correctly in ENT, but we know at least some of them go through a physical change before Kirk's time.

• Phasers go "pew pew" instead of "WheerrrrrRRRRR"
TOS was actually inconsistent with how they portrayed phasers early on. Maybe they are trying to mimic the odd single energy burst like phaser effect.

• Holograms everywhere

• Shuttles having warp drives

I wanted to go into several more examples and such, but it's late. I'm going to bed. What are some creative decisions they may have made to make DIS work correctly? It's not an alternate time line. It's probably not an alternate dimension/reality, but who knows.

So what does that leave? Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development, but on a galactic level? Could this be another ENT finale type situation? Is DIS taking place after VOY in an advanced simulation, but they got their historic details wrong?
Brok'tan - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:45:33 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.61970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Is this all a historical fiction holonovel written by Tuvok??
Thot Pran - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:21:17 EST ID:PU+0MICM No.61972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>"hurting innocent critters is kind of shitty".

They literally put crying babies in front of the camera during a bad guy attack. It's storytelling by and for the lowest common denominator.
Jack - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:01:50 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.61973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do you really think 2vac would do something so illogical.
Captain Tel-Peh - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:26:31 EST ID:9Ez1cVaJ No.61974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Pretty much everyone who complains about SJW shit is blowing things out of proportion

Ya think? It's not like that's ever happened before.
Quark - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 16:29:16 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.61978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I like to think of it like this: it's an alternate timeline, with "Star Trek: First Contact" being the divergence point.

TOS, TNG, VOY, and DS9 exist on the Prime-line, whereas ENT, DIS, Trek '09, Into Darkness, and Beyond exist on another as yet unnamed (because I can't think of a good reference for it yet. Maybe the Zefram-line as he was the focal point in First Contact?) timeline. Look at the interior of the USS Kelvin in Trek '09. From the (very brief) looks of it, it does look an awful lot like the ship interiors in DIS doesn't it? And DIS is according to this poster (>>61955) set in 2256, twenty-three years after "The Kelvin Incident", meaning they would have gotten an aesthetic upgrade don't you think? Finally, the interior of the Phoenix in first contact looks a lot like a heavily scaled down version of the ship interiors in ENT, but as I mentioned, ENT looks like DIS but DIS does not look like TOS.

If each series of DIS represents a year passing and it turns out I am correct then mark my words, in Series 2 (possibly 3) we're going to start hearing about the Enterprise's shenanigans and possibly have a cameo or three from Chris Pines himself as James T. Kirk.
Odo - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:43:14 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61980 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Sorry, but someone had to stand up for Lorca butchering Issaquah....
Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:48:48 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.61981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Every time a lens flares, a whole new Trek timeline is born....
Juan Cena - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:08:06 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.61982 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The timeline diverged before First Contact. In ST IV, Scotty introduced transparent aluminum to 20th Century Earth. We have no idea when it was supposed to be invented. By your logic, TOS is the only Prime-line show.

The newer ST movies belong to the Kelvin Universe. This has been already established.
Guinan - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:23:35 EST ID:in2ASXw/ No.61983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well I watched the new episode

I was underwhelmed. This show is settling in to being a show just a hair above fanfic what with their cockamayme new falooting continuity errors with technology and their barely believable bullshit plots.

Don't get me wrong, it's better than I thought after the pilot. That's not saying much though. It settling so far as to being a mix of the worst parts of enterprise and voyager in terms of equivalency to other series. Its starting to feel like star trek... It's just it feels like BAD star trek.

And here we are halfway through the first season, a quarter of the total we'll get from this show most likely since it's business model is so flawed and it was approved for 2 seasons from the get go

It might improve but by then it's gonna be too late most likely
Prophet - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 08:38:41 EST ID:7Ew1l4c7 No.61996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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somebody do some O'brien voodoo and get rid of this guy please...just beam him to space.
Tom Paris - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:33:04 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you seem to be under the impression that anybody cares
you are worse than stimlion, gb2tinfoil with your unintelligible retardation
Ambassador Shras - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:02:41 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.62002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dayman has been seeping out elsewhere. I'm not sure if he's a troll persona or just that stupid and unfunny.
Ambassador Shras - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:50:16 EST ID:2xTrbl/0 No.62007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whoever the fuck just sent Dayman to Gallitep, I would like to extend the thanks or Federation and messages of support for your government.

I can do that as an ambassador right?

nb for double post even though this is the top thread.
Temporal Agent Daniels - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 02:54:25 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bumping this back to the front because faggot /tinfoil/ spammers flooded this board
Seriously wtf
Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:19:17 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I reported one of his posts yesterday and came back like 5 minutes later and they were wiped. Whichever mod it was is a hero.
Franklin Drake - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:17:48 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Should we be assuming now that the Class F shuttles' little engines are indeed warp nacelles, then? There was, after all, that instance in The Menagerie where the shuttle went chasing after the Enterprise, which was at warp at the time, and they DO look like just scaled down warp nacelles....
Gaila - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:20:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It would seem that way. I mean a lot of tech stuff wasn't very clear in TOS, or at least not elucidated upon much.
Gralik Durr - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:33:48 EST ID:s9v2HQgf No.62104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Star Trek is internally very inconsistent especially when they fired phasers in the warp in TOS, Trek needs to be more like 40k
Kai Winn - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:45:04 EST ID:UbixIY2k No.62191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just finished watching it for the first time. It took me 3 days because my attention kept drifting off. Even when TOS and TNG got stupid it still managed to be interesting. TNG's The Royale was fairly awful but it was still watchable. But this latest Dickscoveredinbees ep... it reeked of Kurtzman's writing. The show goes through a checklist of what they think are powerful emotional moments and then shovels in garbage to fill the gaps. And in the middle of those special moments the dialogue is unhinged. Like that final convo with Burnham - I thought Tilly was the one with autism. Hello, strange man whom I barely know and who has likely heard of my war-inciting reputation by now, I will now flatly and precisely describe my inner turmoil for no reason. And you will say the perfect thing to put me at ease.

The hero has to kung-fu fight her adoptive Vulcan father in order to not get 'pushed out' of Vulcan Skype with him. Twice. WHY??? In a non-retarded Star Trek show I'm thinking he would either ignore her or talk to her. More likely talk to her since she isn't just some rando wandering by. But not in STD. STD needs padding. So like JJTrek, people punch each other because thoughtful dialogues are too hard to write.

And that fucking flat-angle Xanadu shit when Sarek's Skype SOS comes through...it's like they're looking for new ways to make the show look cheap and rushed. It's kind of hilarious in a disappointing way.
Major Rakal - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 20:08:12 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just wanna know this... how fucking psychic are Vulcans anyway? Compared to some species who read minds like most people read fast food menus, they seem weak. Then along comes STD to all of a sudden crank their psychic powers into God Mode and they are dragging NON-Vulcans all of sudden into their inner most angsty thoughts. Slow the roll before we start seeing Sraek pulling Q level pranks with his mind or some shit. And what the fuck is up with the Katra? Is Burnham now psychic-ish because she shares Sarek's weird Vulcan Force-Soul?
Guinan - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:44:07 EST ID:3T/wLRRT No.62198 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Romulans are more powerful, Remans even more so, but not all Remans are telepathic.

Vulcans really only have direct contact telepathy with the mindmeld, they're shittier than a half betazoid
Major Rakal - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:25:46 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except when Vulcans need to get shit done, then the touchy-psychic thing goes out the window and they make Betazoids look like brain damaged chimps....
Sphere Builder - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 02:07:52 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wow, OK, I am smoldering with anger
Leave it to STD to make an interesting concept like an artificial time loop fucking boring. Fuck Michael Burnham, she continues to be one of the worst actors I've seen in a major production like this. Harry Mudd is ok but I think I just have a crush on Rainn Wilson Lt. Gay Scientist I am liking more and more, I like his character progression (because he's the only one with any character arc).
Is it safe to assume the "4th dimensional beings" that Mudd acquired the TIME CRYSTAL FUCK YOU CBS SERIOUSLY FUCK YOU THATS THE LAMEST SHIT *ahem* the time crystal from are the Q? What other sort of beings have that technology barring the Borg?
I also just finished Stranger Things season 2 so I'm in a bad mood, that show is a fucking gyp
Franklin Drake - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 03:08:38 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe he mugged the Prophets
Guinan - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 03:58:11 EST ID:3T/wLRRT No.62216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know, I thought it was the high point for the series... But it was a recycled concept with hand waving for how Mudd was able to do what he was able to do

By the way there are quite a few 4 dimensional being a aside from the Q and the prophets, though many of them were one off species such as the ones from DS9 that thought an artificial black hole was a nice place to put their babbys.. Also anyone who's interacted with the nexus has transcended to 4D

That's how I'm able to tell when weird temporal shit is going on, since I went up into that Nexus when Kirk saved my refugee ship
Guinan - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 04:01:37 EST ID:3T/wLRRT No.62217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
By the way, no more STD til next year.. that's more than half the first season and.. it was pretty much on par with enterprise prior to season 4 if not a little shittier.

Not as bad as I expected but not really good either. Oh well. I might actually watch the rest of the first season.

And yeah gay spore man has pretty much become the only interesting character besides lorca.
Legate Hovat - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:22:35 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.62222 Ignore Report Quick Reply

We still have at least two more episodes in the next two weeks.
Major Rakal - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:00:29 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I concur.
I don't want to be "that guy," but since when was Harry Mudd a god damn serial killer? He was always a pretty non-physical guy and into the swindle, not murder. But here he goes wiping out whole chunks of the crew in an orgy of killing. Sometimes with some real hands-on methods. Then he resorts to Torture Death Orbs. WTF? He took a serious wrong turn in the writer's room. Mudd is the fucking comic relief guys! He is a pain in the ass, not the God of Death. Sheesh.
And why is Lt Shroomer there going Full Leary and diving into some weird space hippy shit? Seems odd.
Also, who in the future listens to old timey hip hop? Shouldn't they all be into Space Techno or some shit like that?
Leeta - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:16:08 EST ID:aTBNUBu0 No.62238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I swear it would have made Into Darkness an amazing film if the solution to Khan was revealing that his wife was not only not dead, but trying to find that asshole for a hundred years.

She's old as fuck and khan ain't interested at first but she puts a worm in his ear and goes off into the sunset with her youthful, subservient Cumberbatch ass.
Guinan - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:39:24 EST ID:GwChYndC No.62241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh shit I guess they changed it.. you're right

Hopefully they don't suck
Lore - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:17:23 EST ID:7aDOWGh4 No.62243 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Is this show even trying to not be a clearly fanfictions wetdream type star trek?

The beegees remix was pretty terrible. And lends more credence to the idea that Star Trek societies don't have any culture of their own.

I love how they are doing a time loop thing in a way that's terrible... "I'm outside the time stream so I get the power to be immediately aware of it and be a plot device." Compare that to the TNG time loop episode where they have an instinctive sense of what's happening at the beginning and the mystery goes from there.

BURNHAM IS A BORING FUCKING CHARACTER. JESUS CHRIST I DON'T CARE ABOUT HER "STRUGGLE" IT'S BORING. I DON'T GET IT. I don't get WHAT THE STRUGGLE IS. Is it that she's not a human and trying to shed her vulcan thing? If that's it it's the worst fucking written version of that.

Seriously folks what read have we gotten on burnham after- what is this- 7 episodes?

  1. She's conflicted about her place among humans because she was raised vulcan? (but sarek had a human wife? so how "far" away could she have been from her humanity? i don't get it...)
  2. She's not emotional except when the plot needs her to be.
  3. She likes the chief of security. (ash tyler)
  4. She makes rash decisions and allows other people to make rash decisions. (killing tkuvma in the former and letting the original security chief JUST GET KILLED by the tardigrade)
  5. She has good intentions.

All the actors are fine and honestly the most compelling WRITTEN things are not about Burnham. Example: Once again they've made the captain the most interesting character because at least he has a past that's not stupid and he's clearly insane so at least that's SOMETHING. Saru being of a different species that can sense death.

This character is literally that character that authors have in stories to have things HAPPEN TO but not actually DO anything on their own. The only exception to that appears to be just the pilot.

Oh I wish DS9 were just coming out... oh I would be having such a good time... ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Seska - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:06:10 EST ID:ALLINHwI No.62247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Is this show even trying to not be a clearly fanfictions wetdream type star trek?
seriously? you have just been shitting up the board with your contrarian nonsense

stfu DAYMAN, gtfo ------>
Janice Rand - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:00:32 EST ID:zQ+XXy3R No.62252 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The way I think about it is that Mudd was soo pissed off at Lorca because he left Mudd to rot in a Klingon prison camp, that he would kill him 50-60 times over and over while blowing up the ship to restart the timeloop. You can see in the other time loops that he doesn't really kill anyone unless someone tries to stop him or to clear a way to Lorca. It's a simple "revenge villain" trope.
Molly O'Brien - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:08:41 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.62253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i didn't know it was contrarian to say that std is shit
B'Etor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:35:24 EST ID:UbixIY2k No.62254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hello, I'm Lieutenant Gay and when I'm not being oppressed by Kevin Spacey I'm witnessing every murder committed by our interloper, even though every time he encounters a crewman he KILLS THEM ON THE SPOT and we never see me in the same room with him except for two scenes.

Grats to the writers on taking a scheming prison rat and turning him into a Q with perfect memory and an unjustified appetite for revenge over the sudden squishing of his space cockroach.

And my honest praise for the first and only moment so far when I was both pleasantly surprised and laughed. Pic related. They only spent $56 million to get it.
Lt. Talas - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 02:23:55 EST ID:CCnGzNJN No.62255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Has Weinstein made anyone on Star Trek pudder his chud?
Has Weinstein made anyone on Star Trek pudder his chud?
Has Weinstein made anyone on Star Trek pudder his chud?
Has Weinstein made anyone on Star Trek pudder his chud?
Xerius - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:40:55 EST ID:Mw2ViAbq No.62260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why are the gay characters both stereotypes?
DaiMon Bractor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:46:04 EST ID:/6VHUlUm No.62261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because Hollywood wants to ram politics down everyone's throats

It's actually very derogatory if you ask me
DaiMon Nunk - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:03:17 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Need more gay writers.
DaiMon Bractor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 13:39:36 EST ID:/6VHUlUm No.62268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why not more GOOD writers?
Wesley Crusher - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:35:00 EST ID:f4GL6k/2 No.62275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>more gay writers.

True Blood Season 3 through however the fuck many warns of the hazards of the overabundance of gay writers.
Guinan - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:42:08 EST ID:GwChYndC No.62278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. The writers might not be gay, but they're a bunch of faggots, no offense to the homosexual community
B'Etor - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:43:44 EST ID:UbixIY2k No.62279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The writers can't into subtext and nuance so everything is a signpost. No one can ever be a little concerned or a little conflicted or even a little gay.
Herbert Rossoff - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:26:56 EST ID:rZIX04Ya No.62288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What? What I mean is diversity doesn't automatically make something better, talent does
Thy'lek Shran - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:15:44 EST ID:htEtR1vu No.62298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because Michael Pillar, Ira Steven Behr, Fontana, Rick Berman are all either dead or not working on Star Trek anymore.

If people really want a reason why this Trek is shit-garbage that is honestly the reason. They have no legitimacy within "torch passing" that happened when GR died.
Kessick - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 13:49:44 EST ID:IpebbzMW No.62305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Knowing the thing you write about helps. However a talented writer who is a man who has had a relationship with a man would be an asset to a writing team if you've got a lot of homo flying around on the deck that a straight guy wouldn't be but only assuming there were already talented straight writers and no pre existing gay ones.
Turanj - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 15:43:52 EST ID:CdncQJXv No.62311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I liked episode 7. It seems like the most treky episode yet. Sure it's a well worn premise. But I liked that it's mostly from the perspective of someone who is isn't experiencing the loop. That was an interesting little twist in the structure.

One of my big gripes about the show is that they weren't taking the time to just do some character development, and have interactions between characters that weren't just directly serving the plot. I get that a lot of people aren't liking how characters were developed, but I feel like I have a much better idea of who some of them are now. I liked it.

The resolution with Mudd getting shipped off struck me as a very TNG moment. I need to look at the writers for each episode. The character of this one seemed really different. I almost wonder if it was a bottle episode that was written to pad out the season. Whatever happened, they took their foot off the gas for a bit, which was a good thing.
Guinan - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:25:15 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I did too. It gave me hope that the series might not suck after all, maybe. Just maybe.
DaiMon Torrot - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:38:23 EST ID:rZIX04Ya No.62316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This version of Mudd is killing my nerd / comedy Bonner

and my actual one too
Etana Jol - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:40:27 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It did seem like a bottle episode. Their first, really. In that way, it was the Trekiest episode yet. It sort of felt weird though because so far everything has been The Galaxy According to Burnham and this long story arc about her getting all wrapped up in the Klingon War and Lorca's brooding gothic bullshit. Everything seemed pinned on prior or upcoming episodes, and then *whump* bottle episode. And even that was based on a prior episode. It actually would have done better in a second season or at the end half of the series. It feels really claustrophobic to have the Mudd Epsiodes so close together.

Oh, and whatever happened to Albino Klingon and his Fuck Buddy? They just chilling someplace or what? Wasn't he supposed to be doing some shit by now?
Captain Rudolph Ransom - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 22:21:27 EST ID:00CV1Z7S No.62324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>whatever happened to Albino Klingon
He's doing just fine, look at him
Noah Lessing - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 23:03:12 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This episode Gay Spore Scientist SPECIFICALLY mentioned him being "an extremely tall man" 10000% he is infiltrating StarFleet in order to pull some hijinx
Belongo - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 23:45:15 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Right now, the biggest trick CBS could pull off would be to not live up to expectations and have him be a mole for the Klingons.

Oh, and WTF is up with Danger Ganglia Man there? why weren't his weird head penises going all erect the second the Space Whale showed up? Shouldn't they have been going off like crazy since they sense "danger," and Mudd is planning on destroying Discovery like a few kajillion times. Those fuckers should have been popping off his skull! Useless fucking alien power if it isn't going off the second Mudd gets within a mile of the ship.

Oh, and Saru heavy episode coming up. The cowardly alien finds his courage!
Sarek - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 01:37:38 EST ID:w+z/R1QM No.62328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think Saru's threat ganglia are supposed to be some supernatural thing.
Then again intergalactic mind skype
Saru's just got the best intuition and maybe minor telepathic empathy to hostility. I don't think that works from the bridge.
He's a shit Deanna Troi.

But Deanna Troi is a shit commander so I guess they're even.
Rekelen - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:26:50 EST ID:mw1AnnTr No.62331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Discovery sucks, full stop.

It's like Star Trek The Motion Picture, so bad it's good.
DaiMon Nunk - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:49:23 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.62337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Boring time loop episode but it did feel like trek.

Also I'm really tired of Burnham's poetic logs.
Captain Rudolph Ransom - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:50:29 EST ID:00CV1Z7S No.62338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The real reason we don't see enough of Saru's threat ganglia is because they are a CGI effect instead of a practical one, which was stupid of them.

Scurrilous lies, TMP is best trek.
Belongo - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:04:47 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The real reason we don't see enough of Saru's threat ganglia is because they are a CGI effect instead of a practical one, which was stupid of them.

Gotta save the cash for the multiple explosions and CGI deaths...

Seriously though, how do those things work? It seemed to be pitched that Sarus danger boners were "mild psychic," because he seemed to be foreshadowing the entire mess that is the first two episodes of the pilot.

Look, if Saru had been, "Captain Lorca, something doesn't seem right here. I sense a threat, that could have helped drive the plot. And at least gotten more of an ensemble feel instead of the usual "Everything is about the aspie quasi-Vulcan," that we usually get. Lorca seemed to barely be in the last episode. He was literally a prop for Mudd to play with...
DaiMon Nunk - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:29:30 EST ID:vDfMz9Zo No.62345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think they really knew what they were doing when they were revealing the characters. Or creating them. They were kinda just like "look at this crazy alien with the shit that comes out of his neck! Shits nuts!" and that's pretty much the extent of it. His quote in that original teaser or trailer was retarded and made him look a lot worse than he is. I think they were just treading water at that point and needed to throw something out there.
Captain Rudolph Ransom - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:31:25 EST ID:00CV1Z7S No.62351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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In DSC, apparently mysticism is 100% real and a scientific force. Stametz basically says that explicitly and even wants to try to develop a machine to interface with it. That's why katra skype works, that's how the Discovery can travel anywhere in the galaxy as long as it's hooked up to a lifeform that's tripping its balls off, that's how Saru or any lifeform could have a literal sense of a totally abstract concept like 'I'm about to die.'

But yeah, the main problem with the way the show is now is that Burnham is a terrible character and the show can't be a proper ensemble like every trek since TOS has been. Luckily, this is a problem that can easily be rectified down the line.

Yes there is very little rhyme or reason with the character design. I still don't even know the medical dude's name, the only thing about his character is that he's gay, that's it. Which used to be the case for Stametz along with snarkitude, which has now been thankfully replaced with permafried status (he's climbed from the bottom to near the top of my DSC character leaderboard chart.)

Lorca is just every stereotype of bad captain put together, but it actually makes for great viewing (I suspect that somehow CBS thought Trekkies would somehow be more shocked by the concept of a bad captain? Trust me, we've seen plenty...) Tilly is just autism, again, we don't have anything but this very 2 dimensional character, and she's used for comic relief, which says a lot more than it should...

Saru, however, is the best. It's like all their ideas about 'well this is what a Trekkie kind of answer or opinion would be' are always put in Saru's mouth, making him the best character. The whole series could be just him flying around, seeing something cool, then being afraid of it and flying away, I would be 100% on board for that.
Thot Pran - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:23:05 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think I agree with your character standings. And about Stametz. It is kinda lame that I like him now that he's not being snippy, but it was just far too stereotypical for him to be warp 10 snark. But in this episode where he was integral to the plot besides some insane gimmick, I feel like he kinda stood out and felt like a real star trek science officer. It's a lot better than when they use him to explain the spore gobbledygook.
And Saru is of course #1 because he really feels like he belongs on a starship. And oddly enough, he fits right into the XO, #1 role. I say oddly enough because he's kinda standoffish and comes off as a bit of a coward and he even questions Lorca occasionally. Well the questioning part isn't that abnormal but for a #1 to have that kind of overly careful attitude and not just be a badass standing behind the captain is unheard of. And the fact that he still pulls it off and remains very likeable is a testament to Doug Jones' skill.
Thot Pran - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 19:52:03 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've loved the Trekspertise videos in the past so I started watching their episode reviews for Discovery and I could not get over how intensely they were slobknobbing DIS. They don't present any criticisms or any analysis in their videos, they're simply recaps with lots of fellatio.
Emperor Sompek - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:03:17 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.62357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The whole series could be just him flying around, seeing something cool, then being afraid of it and flying away, I would be 100% on board for that.

He is basically a bipedal Pierson's Puppeteer which I am 100% okay with.
Arik Soong - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:00:41 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Saru needs more episodes. It looks like he might get some more screen time, but in a real way, I'd rather have him be the main character instead of Burnham. Burnham is supposed to be trapped in this social and cultural limbo. She kind of sucks at it. Saru could easily be presented with some of the same challenges and issues. I mean, he is aboard an alien vessel that is 99% Super Predators on the crew. That needs to come up more. I mean, Saru is pretty ballsy for being basically from a race of sentient cows. Klepians are big old gangly cowards by nature. And here we have one of them signing up to be a ship full of insanely dangerous predators that is going off to fight another super predator species. He should be freaking out. Right? Maybe, Saru is the closest his people have to a balls-out fucking epic hero type. So, why not cover this more? I mean, one thing Enterprise did right was have the Vulcan/Human friction. With Vulcans being all, "These humans are stupid and smelly...we should be careful around them." Saru should be firing off emails going, "These fuckers are CRAZY! They have no sense of how to stay safe. BTW, turns out the ship blows up at the drop of a hat, too! I'm riding the fucking lightning with these psychotic apes!"

Shit, I want a Trek where the main focus is on like, three aliens. Three aliens all trying to cope with the humans and their weirdness. I think, again, Enterprise touched on this briefly between T'Pol and Phlox. "Hey, sure is weird to be so far from our own people, eh?" kind shit. I wanna see how the aliens see the humans in Trek. Which is kinda the thing about Trek. Trek was always about examining the human condition. Aliens are a good way to do that. TNG did it amazingly well with Data and Worf. TOS had Spock. Saru could be that character, but instead we get the PTSD'd bombing survivor whom somehow manages to make Tilly look fucking acceptable in terms of human interaction. Not the same. Not well written. Gimme some Saru, or even that weird cyborg chick (not the ginger...apparently that is just a medical prosthetic she got to repair injuries from the attack on the Shenzhou...let's see what Ghost In The Shell BETA VERSION has to say...)
Roger Lemli - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:55:48 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>cyborg chick

Yes I want more of her too. All we got of her in the last episode was a little clip of her making out with some dude in the background. If they're gonna go full GoT I want to see some titties. Jk, but she is an intriguing character. Some of the other oddities on the bridge like the grey and blue alien chick don't seem to work very well but the chick with the implant on her face kinda sticks out like something I want to be explored more.

And yeah, the focus on Burnham is really getting tiring. In this last episode I was hoping it wasn't gonna just be Burnham solving the time issue, and thankfully it wasn't, but in other episodes they're kinda making her the Wesley of the ship. Shoeing in the wiz kid that nobody really likes every chance they get. If they overdo it they'll definitely get the Wesley effect going strong. I'm hoping that in season 2 they learn that the other characters deserve more time. Which, granted they are giving some characters development, but if they just spent one episode not focusing on Burnham, we could get a ton of development with multiple characters. Trek isn't about a person it's about the crew and philosophical dilemmas. Not just one person struggling to interact with people. That's way too shallow.
Arik Soong - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:35:37 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well, so far it is canon that she was on the bridge of Shenzhou when it was attacked and was seriously injured. You would think this would generate more friction between her and Burnham since she now looks like an extra from Johnny Mnemonic for the rest of her life.
Lore - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:40:09 EST ID:rZIX04Ya No.62367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Go back to.. that other board
Roger Lemli - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:35:31 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We did get a reaction out of her, once.
I believe it was the first time she saw Burnham, either on the bridge or in the mess hall, she had an intense look of fear on her face. I'm guessing maybe she's either just submissive or doesn't want to start any trouble with a higher ranking officer. But, Burnham was an ensign or something for a little while so maybe she's just submissive.
Arik Soong - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:37:12 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think Burnham was even less than that. Is she even ranked? I am 100% sure that when Jenny Mnemonic there sees her, Burnham is still fresh off the prison transport. Giving her a rank in Starfleet of -10 or some shit. I dunno. I just feel like some exposition by someone horribly messed up due to Burnham's actions would have been nice and then some continuing friction now that Burnham is on the bridge all the time.

The real question is what is up with Data Beta?
From what I can find, nobody has set her role...she is either an enhanced alien, or maybe even an enhanced human. I would assume via accident like Jenny Mnemonic. The Federation seems wary of too much fucking around with the human body...at least in pre-STD canon. Geordie only gets the VISOR since he was born blind. Nobody seems to be handing things out to people who just want to see a whole bunch of cool shit in non-visual spectrums, or gets cybernetic limbs so they can be super strong and shit.

Making Data Beta there an alien would avoid any canon conflicts at least. Otherwise, I hope they either come up with some past accident that caused her to have to go full Ghost In The Shell, or they will just shit on the canon and now the Federation is full of people who just mod themselves like PCs. My bet is the latter will happen because fucking CBS seems clueless.

What I really want to know is why Data Beta, was useless against Mudd. There is that whole scene where she and the guy next to her decide to jump Mudd. But, the normal human male does the jumping and is caught. Why is he jumping Mudd with his normal human body, when she, being a cyborg, could most certainly do it faster and more precisely? Unless the Federation has a law nerfing body implants or some shit. Again, it feels like something was there the writers could have used, and done it in an interesting way, but they just flubbed it. I dunno. Seems my biggest issue. They keep focusing on Burnham and sort of ignoring some cool shit that could also help propel the story line forward.

And seriously, STD writers need to fucking tighten their canon! If you are working on a venerable series like Trek, canon becomes a big thing. More so in the age of streaming where you can just go and watch all the Mudd Epsiodes at once at a whim. The storytelling here now covers decades of material. You have to tighten the continuity up a bit more and at least come up with clever reasons why full on cyborgs just pop up 100 years before Geordie does.
Christopher Brynner - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:31:12 EST ID:IpebbzMW No.62380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except without the super triangulated death kick.

Niven already wrote some trek though.
Arik Soong - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:56:09 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrote, hell, he brought Kzin into ST:TAS....full on. Makes sense though, since in Man-Kzin wars, the humans are pretty Federationy...full jumpsuit communism...everyone has their needs met...no violence, etc.
Emperor Sompek - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 18:41:06 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.62391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yep, though I think their only real appearance was in The Slaver Weapon. I've always thought Man-Kzin Wars would make an excellent anthology TV series.

There are some similarities to the Federation there though it is quite a bit darker IMO with the birthright lotteries and everything. I always liked their FTL better. You had to have a good pilot watching at all times to get out of the way of stars and planets as you approach them. There is definitely quite a bit of violence and crime (see: Gil the Arm Hamilton and Sigmund Ausfaller) Its not as "perfect" as life in Trek.

You know, since they talk about a series of wars with the Kzinti in TAS they could have used them in place of Klingons in STD and it would have been much better. You don't have to worry about fucking with established timelines or destroying the way klingons look and they actually do eat their enemies and are about as warlike as you can get.


What other board? There are clearly some parallels to be drawn between puppeteers and Saru and its not like there is no Niven influence in Trek. No need to be such a dick but judging by your other posts you just come here to troll.
Lore - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 18:53:17 EST ID:rZIX04Ya No.62393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not a troll, this isn't Hollywood, just accusing someone of something means dilliely dick
Arne Darvin - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 19:53:44 EST ID:ZTT6imbJ No.62394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I can't do it anymore.

I've tried to give this show a chance but it's absolutely horrible. The writing is terrible. There is no chemistry between any of the actors. There has been no real character development for any of the crew aside from "Strong Independent black woman who don't need no supporting actors". As someone here said, everyone seems to be driven by character flaws instead of an actual personality. Every attempt at a plot device based in science has been in actuality absurd fantasy I.E magic space spores, microscopic organisms in macro form being tortured by nipple clamps, Harry Mudd having access to time-travel tech living in a space-dragon...etc.

I've watched every episode up until now but I just can't do it anymore. I can not find a single thing about this show that is likeable aside from special effects. They've completely dehumanized the show, replacing it with a soulless homunculus that could only appeal to an equally soulless audience.

Thank God for the Orville. It has better writing, better acting, more relateable characters, and is in every way a better show than the disease that STD is.
Minister Kuvak - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 20:04:50 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno...TAS tends to get ignored as canon, and I could see CBS being worried about a new species in Trek. They know that Klingons, Vulcans, and Romulans sell. The New Klingons were a mistake though. Sadly, since all STD seems to do is take shrooms and fight Klingons, I doubt there will be much in the way of new alien races like in TOS or others. Just Stamets getting his shroom on and them blasting away at Klingons.
Chairman Koval - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 22:33:34 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TAS has never been ignored as canon--there are references to it in TNG, DS9, TOS-R, and so forth. It has been *mistakenly considered* non-canonical, which is a difference.
Gul Evek - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 09:22:58 EST ID:qX5lLyFW No.62403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As far as I know, only Yesteryear is canon from TAS.
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 14:06:28 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>microscopic organisms in macro form being tortured by nipple clamps, Harry Mudd having access to time-travel tech living in a space-dragon
lol is this Trek or Lexx?
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 14:09:34 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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afaik TAS is noncanon unless otherwise stated, so Yesteryear, T is Tiberius, that's still canon, but there's not so much of a need to worry about the giant Spock that's just out there or the Kzinti who are specifically noncanon to Trek because legal reasons

nb for 2x
Lt. Maxwell Burke - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:42:00 EST ID:v/43NuMx No.62408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's jump shark tier. Besides, it's not Harry Mudd, it's Dwight Schrute...
Ensign Vorik - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 20:22:12 EST ID:IpebbzMW No.62413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mfw the eternal giant spock is not cannon
B'Etor - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 21:19:21 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wish that DIS would have put an Andorian on the bridge.
Greer - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 23:21:56 EST ID:wioQonv1 No.62418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lexx at least was good because it was a new IP and established new lore.
Discovery shits on established lore for no reason other than SJW-isms
Keiko O'Brien - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 05:20:21 EST ID:dAwxSqS0 No.62421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean, you aren't wrong.
Weyoun 8 - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 02:06:31 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.62436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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New episode was pretty lame
I think that's probably it, my hope meter is completely empty.
I don't want to watch any more but I think there's only one more episode right
IDK I'll probably watch the next one drunk as fuck and just get angry
I gotta give it to ya CBS you made me watch a whole season full of episodes and characters I didn't like a bit and sometimes outright hated vehemently, props to you on that
Private W Woods - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 14:28:20 EST ID:VYdhcYIi No.62439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One more ep before the hiatus. Season 1 will be 15 total. Then, over a year's wait for season 2
Janice Rand - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:43:54 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Have they said when the second half of season 1 starts?
Corporal R Richards - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:52:07 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
January I think.
Kathryn Janeway - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:39:28 EST ID:zdJLz8PT No.62445 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think they're saving it until we forget and put our lives back together, then they'll spring it on us. You know, slasher movie sequel rules.
Torg - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 06:18:05 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The one with Mudd gave me some hope. Not a lot, but it had a decent sci-fi premise. One of my favorites, in fact: Groundhog Day. Sure, they still managed to cock it up with disjointed writing and unlikable characters, but it's the first episode that actually used its full cast to solve a problem with a solid underlying concept.

And the newest one was a dreadful bore again. Again it committed the sin of underperforming to the expectations I have of it while watching. When the sneaky Klingon girl takes the admiral and kills her, I thought it was a ploy. That she'd changed the settings on the weird, exposed electricity thing to only stun the Admiral. And then the Admiral would get up and make some quick about her being right about her not dying in a cage, and then the Klingon would do some monologue about her fallen comrades and how Kol is actually backstabbing the entire Klingon race or some shit. And the Admiral would say "lol, I thought you guys eating people was just a racist rumour". I mean, the bitch is supposed to be a fucking spy, right? Have her do some smart spy shit. If the Admiral had remained alive, and set up to return to Discovery next episode this whole thing might, I don't know, have some fucking weight to it. You can always kill her there. Have Lorca kill her, if you really want to see that the fucker is heading down a dark path. He already knew the Klingons would get her, anyway. He already halfway did it.

Also, now that Mike is spending her time munching on Ash's face, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if he doesn't turn out to be Voq. And I think this hackneyed romance plot is very disappointing. And very American. People give The Orville shit for the divorced couple dynamic, but how can those same people look at this high school garbage on STD and go "well, that's good tv"?

Seeing the new aliens gave me some hope. They seem very TOS-like, very classic sci-fi. They'd seem like a good vehicle for hopeful first contact-y stuff. And maybe one of the crew could fuck one. Or them. Or whatever. Because we don't really know how they work, because STD keeps doing the most interesting shit offscreen while its DOA characters argue about petty shit.

And boy, the characters just keep getting more unlikable. I seriously don't understand how anyone can say Martin-Green is a decent actress. She's TERRIBLE. I'm noticing it more and more, especially when she has to act angry or undignified, or whatever that emotion she's trying to emote is when she slips back into her giant American accent and starts flapping her mouth like she's eating an invisible hamburger. Just imagine that burger there the next time she does it. You'll see I'm right.

They could stand to show more of Tilly's fat ass. That's officially the best character in the show, at this point. Speaking of her, first I thought they singled her out, because the lighting... doesn't do wonders for her skin. But the lighting also makes Mike look like a pockmarked dockworker on occasion. What's up with this shit? Why all this overhead lighting that shows every blemish on people's skin?
Guinan - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:48:42 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly I feel like Discovery could be condensed down to the second Mudd episode and a brief montage of Burnhams past plus another montage of the events in the prison episode and how the spore drive works and I might actually think it was good. There's been only one episode that really felt like star trek.. and it also was borderline ridiculous with Harry Mudd stealing GodTier technology and hiding it in a whales vagina in order to initiate a time loop to steal a starship and be way more violent than his TOS self, even going so far as to kill the obvious Klingon agent guy with a death bean, that's just fucked up since they'll never get to use him for some dramatic music twist.. Oh wait they brought him back with the power of love
Pax - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:42:32 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't fucking stand listening to Burnham's personal logs. It just pisses me off. The show would be so much better if they just didn't latch on to her asshole.
Senator Vreenak - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:42:54 EST ID:1Hyxksul No.62471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This last one was pretty underwhelming While on the surface it's a Saru episode and one with a distinctly Trek logline, it seriously fails to deliver. Energy aliens of peace and love (basically incompetent Organians who don't have the power to enforce their pacifism) are a cool concept, but there are so many flaws that would be considered fatally damning if they occurred in any of the prior series.

So Burnham just declares that GO#1 doesn't apply to these guys based on, what, the fact that they're energy beings? That's retarded; they live in fucking huts, and by their own admission have never figured out how to leave their own planet to explore space -- and not for lack of trying. There are plenty of energy beings throughout Star Trek, and yes some are demi-gods, but some aren't even sentient, let alone post-sentient, and exist purely on an instinctual basis. So file that entire bit away under 'the writers don't understand Star Trek at all.'

Now, while having one of the main cast be the monster of the week is always a good Trek plot to run through again, and certainly I enjoyed Saru being a badass, they skipped a really important element; explaining exactly why a good guy has become a bad guy. Was Saru really taken over by the energy beings to the extent he had no decision making power (thus a retread of 'This Side of Paradise' ) or does he have his own good philosophical reasons for *choosing* to take this stand (all those bits about him never being free of fear, etc, thus making it kinda a retread of "Let He Who is Without Sin.") If the former, then can we trust any of that character revealing information about him always being in fear, because he was under the energy beings' influence? If the latter, why wasn't he charged with disobeying orders? One line of dialogue with him in the sickbay could have cleared this up, but we don't get it.

Lastly, Game of Klingots HAS TO END. It is so goddamn boring watching people struggle their way through barely memorized Klingon dialogue with the emotive force of a dead tribble all for the sake of a very superficial (and stupid) 'power struggle' " " " " "plotline." " " " " And this shit is given like 30% of the screen time in each episode where it's featured, it's literally just wasted space, and I hate it. Wrap this shit up now and never ever do it again CBS.

Pretty good pew-pew space battle tho.

Other than that, this one was okay, I guess. I'm settling in to evaluating each episode as a Star Trek episode, which is more than I originally thought of the series, but as so singularly bad as to not even fit anywhere in the same universe as any of the other series. Yes, it's Trek, no, it's not good.
Pax - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:02:06 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Saru: "The Pavo are an extremely hospitable people. They will grant us anything we want."

Burnham: "So you're saying we have permission to complete our mission as planned!!!"

Oh my god how fucking stupid do I look that I need you to say it twice. And Burnham seemed so excited repeating exactly what Saru just said. Like a fucking dumb dog wagging her tail. Holy shit.
Jaresh-Inyo - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:09:52 EST ID:DFVtHqNO No.62488 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Well,we are all still watching the show, so clearly we aren't that much more than Pakled teir.
Orator Plegg - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 09:11:40 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's easy to watch something as a habit when it's available every week. I predit we'll see a lot of drop-off after the hiatus. I almost stopped watching it, but it's the sort of show I watch when I have absolutely, positively nothing else to do.

And, of course, watching it gives you the right to criticise it. I always think it's a shitty argument when fans say "well, why don't you stop watching then?" because the moment you do and say it sucks, the argument changes to "lol you don't even watch it, so what do you know?"

I've also been swayed by the argument of some people on here that said the show was "picking up" and that they were hopeful about it. In retrospect they were full of shit, but that's something I can only know when I watch the episodes they recommended. And this is also a pretty typical argument for the entrenched fan trying to get you to watch dogshit. In fact, the typical STD fanboy argument I've seen is "the first seasons of all other Trek shows were shit, so you should be OK with STD being shit, too". In a sense we're pre-empting a lot of this crap and having our discussions about this show while it's still all fresh.

I had this same shit with Lost. Watched the first season while everyone was raving about it, thought it was shit, and stopped. Along comes my sister who tells me the second season was much better, and they are answering all the questions people had. So I hop in halfway into the second season. And the first episode I saw was a redshirt episode. And it was still shit for all the same reasons, so while I gave the second season another chance, I never returned for the third.

Of course, I was completely right about Lost. But I had to watch it to even form that opinion.
William T Riker - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:12:04 EST ID:tMlmSe54 No.62493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>picking up
Did you even see the first four episodes? Of course it was picking up after that plot-serving trash. What the hell is wrong with you?
Orator Plegg - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:48:46 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It was "picking up" in the same sense that a garbage fire gets slightly less crap when the wind is no longer blowing the smoke straight in your face. If you thought it was any kind of real improvement, I don't know what to tell you. You have cancer in your eyeballs or something. Get out of here, being offended in the stead of some dumb show. Go write some Mike/Tilly slash fic or whatever the fuck it is you fanboys do.
Geordi La Forge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:51:54 EST ID:WiKQv2fM No.62497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol speak for yourself I haven't watched this shit
Admiral Maxwell Forrest - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 17:22:50 EST ID:uOl3QzqF No.62498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol that's a great description of STD

Yeah the professionally offended should just acknowledge how terrible the show is and move along like me, the show fucking does suck though
Cmdr. Williams - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 14:40:28 EST ID:DqSBGF10 No.62534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And now we can look back at this bit of awfulness from before the awfulness. The Discovery Panel at the 2017 Vegas event.


>"I've always loved fantasy and sci-fi"
>Bitch then says her first Trek exposure was the 2009 movie
>everybody on the panel says they've always loved the show
>nobody can name anything other than whales and pointy ears
>Doctor Gay forgets what a hypospray is called
>then calls it a hyperspray; gets it right the third time with the crowd yelling it at him
>says he loved TNG as a kid and then calls Jonathan Frakes 'Jonathan Frakas'
>this is also after Frakes had directed him
>guy who plays a nuKlingon who also loved Trek all his life talks about playfighting with a "metcliff"
>bragging about the set design and 'cinematic look'
>can't see any of it in the pilot thanks to darkness, lens flares and low camera angles
>doctor gives a speech about Discovery being important because non-white lgbt kids will watch it and be empowered
>nuKlingon actress makes a very wobbly accusation of colonization at the Federation
>the shape of nuKlingons' heads is because of "sensors and pheromones"
>nuKlingon actress says she has "a very deep desire" to become fluent in Klingon

It's kind of shocking how little they have to say about the show, other than that playing a Klingon must have been a massive daily kick in the balls between the makeup, costume and saying the lines. They endured it believing they were a part of something special. I wonder how they felt after they watched some of the completed episodes.
Toral - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:36:30 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Holy shit you're a dumb cunt. nb
Minuet - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:42:06 EST ID:Yg7hBR3A No.62536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't expect much of actors because they're pill-popping cokehead sex freaks who can barely remember lines from one minute to the next, but jesus fucking christ that's some impressive retardation
Karr - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 19:11:41 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>gets personally offended when someone dislikes their favorite show
>is not a fanboy

Prosecutor Orak - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 22:58:56 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Shits on the first 4 episodes for being shit
Nah, the Sega Dreamcast is totally better than Playstation 2
Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 00:00:58 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For real though the show picked up significantly.

And then it slumped.
Now we've got a half season break coming up for no good reason.

Anyway in Star Trek tradition I assume this show will pick up for real sometime around when Worf joins it and/or it gets cancelled.
T'Pol - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:17:24 EST ID:ZTT6imbJ No.62551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Saying that STD "picks up" is like saying that the shit I took doesn't smell as bad anymore. In the end you're still talking about shit.
Commander Dolim - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:17:34 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I imagine it will be better in season 2. But that's just because they set the bar so low so far. Especially with the pilot. They really couldn't have made a worse pilot.
And hopefully they change up their tactics and actually heed fan criticism, and clean house.
Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:28:25 EST ID:xSIPOgbX No.62553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It stopped slaving to its plot and started giving time to characters, which is one of the main aspects of Trek.

It's serialized. They can't fix much about it episode to episode.

They're just not balancing the main aspects of Trek correctly. Sometimes Discovery gets it right but it's all over the place.
I'm terrified of the Stamets multiverse shit going off the deep end at this point.
Karr - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:23:18 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's one of the main aspects of ANY tv show, you worthless shill. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but you already acted like a total cunt simply because some of us aren't sucking this show's dick. Go watch any modern TV show, and they're developing characters.

Frankly, I think it's ludicrous to try and force this view of this show being loyal to the Trek formula. It isn't. Not in the way it treats its characters, its plot, anything. It's a new sci-fi show with the Trek label slapped on there, and if it weren't, threads about this shit would probably be removed from this board. Because there's zero Star Trek pedigree in there
Lt. JG Saavik - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:17:48 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.62557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only way they can save STD if fat Riker shows up at the final episode, pauses the holosuite, and says that Ensign Crusher's reinterpretation of historic events was big fat pile of klingon shit.
Then Sisko shows up to punch the shit out Crusher (who is wearing an STD shirt and baseball cap) whilst Picard scolds him.

Then the credits roll and every name is preceded by "I'm sorry"
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:14:20 EST ID:xFx2q+gS No.62558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Get fucked

That would be great haha

Badar N'D'D - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:29:30 EST ID:Ix8ErRo5 No.62580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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two months ago I hated this show. What a cunt.
Weyoun 7 - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 10:55:47 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Get fucked

Solid argument, fanboy.
Commander Donatra - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:14:26 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The episode was decent. I hate the cheap mind season break tactic but whatever.
But now knowing that the sport drive has landed them in an alternate universe,it starts to make up for a lot of the dumb shit. I'm interested to see where they take this. It can go a million different ways from here.
Lwaxana Troi - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:38:42 EST ID:wJD6uka7 No.62646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've been looking for somewhere to vent about this. I didn't realize this board was even active.

But I totally miss the resolution happening each episode. Like, new episode and new plot, characters, etc. Discovery is just some glitzy CGI canned show.

Having a cliffhanger at the end of each episode isn't appealing to me.
Ensign Hogan - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:08:24 EST ID:ZLqTXB8I No.62651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The cliffhanger thing is why this show is made for normies not fans

I mean this action space show should be on /mtv/
Juan Cena - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:47:47 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.62654 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It seems Discovery is trying to stay focus on the arc. In other Star Trek shows, there are arcs but they tend to be spread out. I guess they want to be different.

Commander Donatra - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:11:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah DS9 had lots of arcs but they weren't back to back to back to back. STD wears you out and makes you tired of the arc after the first couple episodes. If it was 3-4 arc episodes dispersed in a season of standalone episodes, this would work a lot better. But they gotta be like that Game of Thrones. Eejits!
Kozak - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:19:33 EST ID:Yb42b7BZ No.62668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only way they can save STD is if fat Riker shows up at the final episode, pauses the holosuite, and says that Ensign Crusher's reinterpretation of historic events was big fat pile of klingon shit.
Then Sisko shows up to punch the shit out Crusher (who is wearing an STD shirt and baseball cap) whilst Picard scolds him.

Then the credits roll and every name is preceded by "I'm sorry"
Lt. George Primmin - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:33:01 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Whilst Picard scolds him over the comm to a backing of fleshy slapping, pausing only because Beverley is yelling "Oh yeah, fuck that ass daddy" too loudly.

Fixed that for you.
Rowboat Girlyman - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:49:37 EST ID:nT3hzwmG No.62697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh I'm sorry can you not pay attention for 3-4 hours at a time, try having a real factory job
Seven of Nine - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:10:39 EST ID:6iu6Wjvr No.62701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>we need to do 130 spore drive jumps to map the location of the nuKlingon ship

Wwwwwwhhhhyyyy? It's one ship only slightly bigger than yours, it's not a continent. And what will you do if they move? Start over?
If jumping once will show you part of the ship, then why not jump once and then blast the shit out of whatever you find?

>be enormous nuKlingon captain
>underweight human female wants to have a knife fight
>i could just let her land one hit and grab her and wreck her shit
>instead i'll dance around like it's Crouching Targ, Hidden Darmok until she stabs my leg and escapes, making me look like a massive retard in front of my crew

>captain, you are ordered to fall back so the enemy doesn't kill or capture your ship and fuck everything up
>my divine morals, which don't apply to the alien corpse party in my secret clubhouse, require that i ignore that order and risk everything to protect some trees and sparkling gas clouds
>now rev up that spore drive so i can turn the lieutenant into hyperdimensional roadkill

>the episode ends without the audience knowing if the lieutenant survived
>guess we'll find out in January, i should keep subscribing to see if he made it
>30 seconds later the teaser shows us he's fine and will turn into some kind of Gary Mitchell knockoff

Plus all the usual bitching about dialogue and its delivery. Dickscoveredinbees doesn't miss a chance to disappoint.
Jannar - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:39:04 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah it was horrible.

I guess i have a month or two to decide if I'm bored enough to waste my time continuing it after it comes back on.
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 22:01:21 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've stopped smoking weed every day, and it made me realize I can only tolerate this garbage when I'm stoned. I've been watching other modern shows, and it made me realize how STD is identical to them, except it all takes place on a spaceship. But it's the same shit with unlikable, often immoral characters.

And seriously, Martin-Green is the worst lead I've ever seen in any series, barring complete garbage. I was watching that cheap ass show Killjoys, and I realized its main character is a lot like Micheal Burnham... but done well. Two of the other shows I watched had the leads play different roles on the regular. And granted, one of them was kind of shit at it, but the other two were great. They fully segue into different characters so naturally that you almost forget you're watching the same actor. And then Martin-Green can't act consistently in the same scene. The same shot. Then again, she seems to be channeling Quinto's Spock, so there might be some asshole behind the scenes going "no, chew the scenery more. Physically. Put it in your mouth".

I don't know if I'm going to cave and watch the latest episode. But it's probably going to be on a smoking day. For now, I'm done. I had even forgotten it was supposed to be a cliffhanger. I'll watch the rest of Killjoys instead. It's trash, but it's grown on me. It's kind of like a Firefly, but not written by Whedon in both the good and bad sense.
Jannar - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:31:39 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah save it for a smoking day.
It wasn't horrible but hard to watch sober and suspend disbelief. It might be easier if you're stoned.
Azan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:19:43 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.62706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>tfw they've just remade Star Trek Voyager but retarded
Guinan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:52:47 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Q'Pla! They finally show Klingon tits but only after transforming them into disgusting monster lizards, sounds about right. Pic related is no longer canon because she doesn't have enough scales.

Saying this show is voyager tier is too generous.. it's more like a blend of all the worst parts of voyager and enterprise with a healthy splash of nutrek.. pretty much a blend of all the ahittiest parts of the franchise. I mean, yes it's Trek, but this is bad trek.
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:24:09 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wait, this picture >>62706 is not a photoshop?

People weren't kidding when they said this is GoT in space. Except GoT is a competently made show with lots of competently written characters.
Guinan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:45:55 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No it's not, they showed Klingon ring nipples in the last episode and it was gross
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:00:39 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And to think that Star Trek was always very sex-positive, and had so many attractive characters, conventionally and unconventionally.

We could have seen Archer go to town on that sexy space slug.
Grand Nagus Zek - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:48:19 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>the only thing about his character is that he's gay, that's it.

I have been calling him "Dr. Gaybeard". I am all for inclusion but inclusion of stereotypes is a step backward or to the side, not forward. Show me the unattractive gay bear dudes or something. I don't know.

Looking back can we call Blaxploitation "inclusive", or was it simply a different form of racism? Or what was it? Whatever it was, that is what I am saying Dr. Gaybeard and Lt. Sassygay are examples of.
Guinan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:26:27 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lol Dr Gaybeard

I just keep thinking about the part of the last episode where he's yelling out gay mushroom man's heart rate like everyone can't see it on the GIANT ASS VIEWSCREEN
Kessick - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:21:40 EST ID:af1Ae1es No.62734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Lt. Sassygay

>Dr. Gaybeard
Chairman Koval - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:41:18 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know I used to mention exploitation movies of the various genres and some dude who collected movies and knew nothing about them used to ask me as if rhetorically "Who was being exploited"

The audience. It's always the audience. You either give them a high concept proposition they can get their head around immediately, or you play into one pre-existing in their head. There is no other way.

At least there wasn't in the 70's. We've completely moved on from selling people a known quantity to get them interested.
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:26:06 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not enough honor.
Would not fuck.
Crystal Form - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:39:07 EST ID:+W9kASwG No.62774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A warrior...is ready to make love to any female.
Ardon Broht - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:02:16 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Voyager was retarded as fuck.
But Voyager still had a few (not many) redeeming qualities. The fact that it still followed the star trek episode formula was one.

This show is even more retarded and has no redeeming qualities.
Legate Turrel - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 02:35:05 EST ID:CqzmvBTm No.62778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
man I was so excited for a new star trek because in my head there was no way they could make something as bad as ENT...

I sometimes wish to go back to those naive, blissful days
Ardon Broht - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:58:15 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62783 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Never underestimate how out of touch and incompetent studio execs can be. I know that now.
Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:12:44 EST ID:QoVHPC4I No.62784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Let's just shroomjump all the canon issues to a new galaxy, never to be heard from again by any federation race. Delta quadrant wasn't far enough, what about like, Andromeda?

That wreckage field was all the extra forehead that somehow came with them in the jump because they're actually mycelial poop or something. The Klingon's *don't* discuss it with outsiders.
Tom Paris - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:01:24 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62785 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Black culture was being exploited. That is why it is called Blaxploitation. Don't strain yourself moving those goalposts.
Noonian Soong - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:44:47 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>blaxpoitation was the only exploitation

Except it wasn't. Blaxpoitation means exploitation films focused on the African-American community. The genre already existed. Exploitation films are simply cheap, low-brow flicks of the grindhouse variety. It's a genre that drew viewership by virtue of being scandalous. The term "exploitation" comes from them exploiting trends, niche genres, and lurid content, according to Wikipedia.

It's also a very American genre, and art films with transgressive content were shown in grindhouse theatres alongside shitty B flicks because they couldn't be seen in regular theatres due to politically correct content restrictions. And that's the clue to the entire exploitation genre: They are, as a rule, transgressive films that were unwanted by the people in charge at the time. They were also often films that took advantage of momentary trends in the public consciousness, and were cheaply and quickly produced before interest faded again, which is what gives them the name.

You're the one moving the goalposts, here.
Chairman Koval - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 12:18:29 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean, to be exploited on the merits of legendary coolness and Kung Fu badassery is almost like propaganda in your favor.

Hell, Foxy Brown is also exploiting the amazon valkyrie women's power shit too. That's to tantalize feminists, because it's empowering as well as men, because it's fucking hot. See: Wonder Woman
And then there's all of the shock value. As much as they could afford
The Blaxploitation angle of it isn't actually that big a piece of the exploitation pie. It's not dominant.

The "Black culture" they were exploiting was kind of fair game. Somewhere like 70% on a scale of minstrel shows to Roots. The target demographic was significantly black people so they're cheap and cheesy but mostly not very harmful I think.
They're packed to the rafters with stereotypes and shitty tropes but I'm not Anita Sarkeesian and blaxploitation really wasn't bucking any trends among the B-movie category in that regard.
The most fucked up thing about them is that they were the only way for a lot of black actors to get into film. But several of them became American icons over it and they knocked those walls down.

You know that Ashton Kutcher Steve Jobs movie? That's an exploitation film.
And on the subject of exploitation and American icons. I leave you with a final two words:
The Re-Animator From Beyond
Jeffrey Combs
This is still a Star Trek board goddamnit
Chairman Koval - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 12:53:17 EST ID:R1oiMAuu No.62794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Ashton Kutcher Steve Jobs movie
Here's a riveting read: The production company that made Jobs.
It was also bankrolled by Five Star Institute which is a Real Estate trade association.

Anyway this is some exploitation by the purveyors of today's b-movies. They're big enough that you've heard of these movies, but you also heard they were shit.
The shock value is in Ashton Kutcher's disgusting performance, and the gore is on hold until such time as Steve Jobs becomes the CEO of disemboweling Ashton Kutcher in hell.
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:27:46 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62795 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Is that like shark jumping?
Guinan - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 17:27:38 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pretty much.
Dr. Reyga - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 17:34:32 EST ID:HjEWNhp9 No.62797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Star Trek vs Dolemite will never happen
Admiral Patrick - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:00:43 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Set phasers to funky!
Katherine Pulaski - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:16:21 EST ID:+W9kASwG No.62806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Watch out Doleminte! That klingon is gonna whip your ass!

Admiral Patrick - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:43:08 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel like this now needs to happen.
Boq'ta - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 00:19:28 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Shaolin Dolemite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij_K1pa5ZtI) indicates that editing RRM footage into existing works may provide worthwhile results
Mot - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 03:19:20 EST ID:MPRGSb/f No.62833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does anyone else think they jumped into the mirror universe?
Dr. T'Pan - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 05:41:11 EST ID:XGn3ESOo No.62835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
CBS said the mirror universe will be featured in season 1 so my guess is they are gonna spend a 2-parter in the mirror universe, hell maybe even 3
Now this is CBS's real chance to show if they can be creative. Possibilities abound.
Mobara - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:38:43 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62836 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Still waiting for a dead ass show tomorrow magically improve, I see.
Prinadora - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:06:19 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yup, symbolic nb
Belongo - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:05:11 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yep. My bet is that they are in a Mirrorverse.

The problem is gonna be how they depict it. I am guessing that the wreckage they come across is the Anti-Discovery. Which lost some battle or something. Not sure where it goes from there, as space is vast and you would think they could just find some place to hunker down for a few weeks until they figure out how to deal with Gayshroomer's massive OD on Space Shrooms. Also, with their weird "two-part" season, is this an entire story arc of "we need to get back home," or just a two or three parter? Mirror shit is gonna get old if this is an 8 episode long grind. They need to start pumping out bottle episodes and stop with these long arcs. Even when TNG did their whole "Borg arc," they had lots of bottle episodes in between the longer multi-episode Borg episodes.
Molly O'Brien - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:36:31 EST ID:sp732iEf No.62843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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so did this really happen because holy shit this is funny
Belongo - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:43:47 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look! Half our SFX budget shot off in one go!
Borg Queen - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:46:42 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Ryuhei Kitamura's Star Trek
Guinan - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:50:56 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.62848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Nothing personal, kiddo
Gul Darhe'el - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:11:48 EST ID:6ddPToJn No.62857 Ignore Report Quick Reply

needs japanese racing music
Trentin Fala - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 05:03:40 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm pretty high I took 136 microjumps of space mycelium.
Emperor Reclaw - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:01:03 EST ID:UvGUOAd0 No.62862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm enjoying it. I don't know if y'all remember star trek but it is not consistently good or thoughtful or high concept or any of the things you are judging Discovery over
Grimp - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:49:11 EST ID:6C6kcMFd No.62874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You should like this new Trek show because old Trek was secretly crap and you never realized it

Why do you fanboys even think this will convince anyone? If anything, it just confirms you're the audience this show was intended for, and I'm not. If you don't think Star Trek was consistently good or thoughtful, mate, that's on you. You enjoy your new pew-pew action show. But stop telling me that I should, too, because according to you I had bad taste all this time.
Seskal - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:07:14 EST ID:sjQCKXEc No.62876 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Listen up Herbert you might learn something:

>Overall good product with occasional missteps


>Shit product from conception to execution.

STD is Dawsons Creek with lasers.
Grimp - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:35:36 EST ID:mL6C0n9v No.62884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just like one of my japanese animes
Legate Hovat - Thu, 23 Nov 2017 04:08:06 EST ID:HeHZTJt1 No.62906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This animation is not REMOTELY fast enough to do the number of jumps the writers put in the technobabble.
Kevin Mulkahey - Fri, 24 Nov 2017 18:55:47 EST ID:nuPPHgen No.62912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair, it took awhile to kill the Klingon Ship of the Dead....
Gor - Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:41:32 EST ID:y0XXMzWs No.62960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it me or did the writers intend to make it plainly obvious that the Discovery captain is from an alternate universe (presumably the universe they have jumped to at the end of the most recent episode)?
Belongo - Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:10:03 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.62961 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Reminds me more like playing tweaker sorc in D2. You could get 0.3 sec tele with +200 fcr.
Jack - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 17:24:05 EST ID:W434JZ16 No.63295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can't wait for sunday!
Torg - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 14:03:16 EST ID:ToOF8+r9 No.63310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
please elaborate
Captain Goroth - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:28:42 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not the person you're replying to but he just seems kinda like a generic kinda evil captain. He's got the secret experiments, he goes against starfleet at every turn. He's shown that he's very warlike. He may not necessarily be evil, but he seems very opposite to most captains, and every captain that has been the captain of a show. Plus the eyes thing kinda seems like a dead giveaway, and the fact that he prefers the dark instead of getting his eyes fixed because he doesn't like doctors or something.
Guardian of Forever - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 16:25:00 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Actually he doesn't get his eyes fixed because he views it as penance for the destruction of a ship that he was forced to engage in. Lorca is, in theory, supposed to be pretty complex in his motivations and such. The writing hasn't really filled that out yet though.
Kira Taban - Sun, 07 Jan 2018 22:36:57 EST ID:vKLXxy3+ No.63370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The post 404'ed, but I totally called The ptsd security officer shithead as being the Klingon spy.
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Sun, 07 Jan 2018 23:18:02 EST ID:r1BxwlQg No.63371 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah, but they telegraphed that like Alexander Graham Bell on a week-long coke binge. This was "Glenn gets Negan'd" levels of obvious.
Sarina Douglas - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 03:17:41 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Terran Empire is racist

5 minutes later

It seems in this universe, I, a black woman, am a very well respected captain and I am even well regarded enough that the Emperor sent me on special assignment to capture his would be assassin

At least it was better than the opener of the first half of season 1. Whens Orville back again?
Albert Macklin - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 03:59:25 EST ID:Yh6G81l6 No.63374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Is it even worth picking this show back up?
I saw the new episode was out and just didn't care. Is it at least pointing to a promising point?
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 04:05:37 EST ID:r1BxwlQg No.63375 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Riker directed it.

Other than that, not really.
Sarina Douglas - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 04:31:52 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't even know it was back until yesterday or today. Normally I keep up with that kind of stuff.

For me personally, yeah, I'm going to keep watching it but its not one of those shows that I'm going to make sure I watch right away or save for a night when I have the time to relax, get loaded, and really enjoy it. I'm not really excited for it but its sci-fi and its Trek at least in name so I'll continue to watch. Its slim pickins out there these days.

Its more of a just grab it and watch it whenever kind of show for me. If there were better things on I wouldn't care to put off watching the newest episode for several weeks. The thing is there isn't much out there I haven't seen so its, mostly, better than nothing.

I don't know if that helps at all or even makes sense. For some context I work a lot and, save for the 1-2 1/2 days off I get a week, am usually only off at odd hours at which point there isn't much to do but watch tv, work from home, or hang out on IRC/the internet if my situation was different I might skip it. For stuff I really like I usually save it for one of those 1/2 days off, get trashed, and chill on the couch and watch them like that. For the rest I usually have it on while I'm on the computer. Disco falls into the latter category.

Then again I did watch the full Stargate: Infinity series one day for the sake of completionism and once somehow watched like 9+ hours of curling so...
Private E Hamboyan - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:37:27 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Haven't watched the new episode, plan to tonight.

But I watched the RLM mid season catch up thing as a good recap.
KC Hunter - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 01:04:46 EST ID:zs0q/fzD No.63383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Lorca's from the Mirror universe right? Federation Lorca died with his old crew? Mirror Lorca escaped to the Federation universe and snuck his way into the Federation and took the most violent command he could find?
Dr. Telek R'Mor - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:29:13 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's my guess.
the fact that in the mirror universe he killed Burnham and disappeared can't be a coincidence. Maybe he wanted to get the discovery to the mirror universe to finally defeat the emperor. And we'll have some drawn out arc where Burnham and crew eventually leave Lorca to his fate in the mirror universe, leaving Burnham as captain.
Lt. JG Ayala - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 11:38:39 EST ID:tIhoJp7M No.63388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's... not what the Defiant looks like.
Geordi La Forge - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 12:09:31 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63389 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thats also not what a Constitution class looks like.
Guinan - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:07:32 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tried to watch the new episode and fell asleep. I think I'm done with STD.
Guinan - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:07:33 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tried to watch the new episode and fell asleep. I think I'm done with STD.
Lursa - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:08:34 EST ID:/EZxsCMr No.63393 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The first thing a warlike Empire would cut down from the mainline universe designs is that weak neck section.

Stands to reason everything would look a little more like Voyager or the DS9 Defiant.
Guinan - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:02:04 EST ID:GwChYndC No.63394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Defiant is from the normal universe tho.. and it's a ENT/TOS tie in.. they decided to take random creative liberties with the design for no reason
Dr. Telek R'Mor - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:25:40 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've got no beef with them fucking with the design of the constitution in the mirror universe.
I mean you can pretty much take any liberties you want in the mirror universe, that's what makes it so dope and fly and fresh
Senator Kimara Cretak - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:32:31 EST ID:mdVmcA+X No.63396 Ignore Report Quick Reply

In TOS through TNG Vulcans were just touch telepaths. After TNG we got what I call Force Creep - the Force in Star Wars began as an intuition that gave you an edge; by the time we got to the Prequels Jedis had become gods that bizarrely seemed to be stuck in intergalactic bouncer jobs. In Trek, Vulcans have gone from being touch telepaths with a mild compass-like sensitivity to weird psychic events outside themselves to being pointy-eared X-Men.

Good writing is when flawed characters find clever ways to overcome difficult problems. Shitty writing is buffing a character with crazy powers so you can take shortcuts to suit the plot. TNG did it, too, with that Klingons-have-two-of-every-organ shit but at least that was only a bit of retarded trivia instead of something that underlined that species.

What defines Vulcans? They're logical, they're repressed and they're sort of telepathic... except in Discotrash where their brains are unlocked iPhones. It makes the Vulcans less interesting.
Senator Kimara Cretak - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:37:30 EST ID:mdVmcA+X No.63397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> Knowing the thing you write about helps. However a talented writer who is a man who has had a relationship with a man would be an asset to a writing team

Maybe. It's a hilarious irony that the better writers of lesbian fiction tend to be men.
Juan Cena - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:17:52 EST ID:/t4jQAoJ No.63398 Ignore Report Quick Reply

If Vulcans from TOS through were just touch telepaths, how do you explain the ending of ST3? The Vulcans weren't using physical strength to carry Spock.

As well, how do you explain what Spock did to Sirah at the end of the Omega Glory? Or, what Spock did to the prison guard in a Taste of Armageddon?

Vulcans have always been op.
Marla Gilmore - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 00:44:41 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except, as Guinan pointed out the Defiant is not from teh mirror universe. It is supposed to be from the "prime" universe so changing the design makes zero sense. Then again, what from Disco does?


I don't think so. I think he is just a shit captain. I think you're reading too much into bad writing.
Vosk - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 06:47:16 EST ID:R20CWgk8 No.63405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno, maybe short neck is just the design theme of Discovery as a series.

What I don't like is the little bend in the nacelle struts. That's very clearly established as where the design was going with the refit and enterprise D.

They're already more prominent than the Enterprise A, but the struts are already angled upward so there's no reason for it. Maybe it looks better this way on the full model?
Weyoun 6 - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:02:12 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63409 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The first thing a warlike Empire would cut down from the mainline universe designs is that weak neck section.

LOL, true.
If you look though, the model is at a 3/4 angle, so the neck section looks shorter than it really is.

Those nacelles are a serious retrocon fuck up though.
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:49:54 EST ID:MbAoUqt8 No.63410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Probably this is all about not wanting to pay royalties on the use of the original design, or some bullshit. Isn't all prime universe content licensed piecemeal, with everything else based on the Bad Robot JJfuck license?
Weyoun 6 - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:55:27 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think TOS shit is licensed like that, but the movies based on TOS are NOT licensed like that, or some such fuckery.
Guinan - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:39:00 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63412 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Okay.. that actually does make sense.. it's shitty and disappointing but it makes sense
I.G. Keval - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 15:52:32 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63414 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OK, so the 10th episode....the "pilot," for the second story arc so to speak did one of those things that pissed me off and I can't let it go by.

What is the deal with Sarru's fucking Fear Boners? They show his ganglion going off around Lieutenant Manchurian there and they just sort of gloss it over. Sarru gets his little boners up when he walks in the room and just smooths them back down like nothing.

Now, WTF? Sarru appears to be mildly psychic or something with his fear hard-ons. But, the way they are handled is like they are a handicap instead of a thing that maybe Lorca and others should notice a bit. Like, OK, I get if they go off before a battle and Lorca says, "Fuck your weird head penises! We are going in!" That makes sense. But, when they go off randomly when someone walks into the room, oh, I dunno....maybe someone should be like, "Hey, I keep getting chubbies when our security officer wanders by....something is up because these are mildly psychic mini-dicks I have on the back of my neck." The treatment of this ability is all over the place. He is either a mild psychic with a pretty fucking useful skill - "Hey, Sarru, we should go into this cave....wait...you have a head boner? OK....we should reevaluate our cave decision," or he just gets these things at random when someone he opines is dangerous comes in the room. In which case he should put his big boy pants on and start acting like an apex predator. I can't tell which from the writing. It seems to be leading us to the concept that Sarru is mildly psychic like the Vulcans used to be before they were made in Prof X level psychics. Which could be a very cool point of tension. Sarru saying, "SHIT IS GONNA GO SOUTH," while Lorca and others argue "WE GOTTA STAY THE COURSE YOU PANSY!" That would be interesting. With Sarru possibly having to WILLINGLY go into danger to prove to people that Lt. Neck Snapper is a problem. Some good cat and mouse style interpersonal actions could be had there. Instead we get this sort of half-fleshed out idea that never really drives much. Sarru has potential as a character to be very interesting. Having to go against his own nature in a crisis sort of thing. Fertile ground for Trek-style writing. Why they aren't working this harder is beyond me. Now I feel like it is just some sort of retelling of the Manchurian Candidate, but with Klingon Ring Nipples in it.
Subcommander Almak - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:51:23 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.63415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm at the point where the issues don't even phase me anymore. When that happened on the bridge I just rolled my eyes because i knew it was an attempt at obvious foreshadowing because subtlety is not in the writers language.
Commander Morag - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:05:17 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
95% of the time Saru's ganglia are about as useful as counselor Troi telling the captain the enemy has hostile intentions during battle.

The other 5% of the time they come across as a horrible writer's contrivance, because they won't explain why they work (and hence what they might be blind to). Is it empathic? Is it in Saru's head? (where using it to check the tardigrade makes no fucking sense) Or is Saru's brain hooked up to the fucking mushroom net, able to look into many possible futures and determine likely threats?

All of these are fucking stupid and that's why they should just clarify that it's empathic.

Any way they decide to go, Saru is a very specialized science officer Troi at this point. Any more than that will quickly become ludicrous so IMO just don't leave it open to interpretation, because only one interpretation isn't dogshit.
Commander Sela - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:04:32 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It does seem so contrived, and I do what >>63415 does...roll my eyes when it happens, because yeah, it is just some lazy foreshadowing mechanism that the writers push. He is like Troi, and I never liked her role on the bridge. I mean, who goes into battle with a psychiatrist?

My biggest frustration I guess is that they could make Saru (guess it is just one 'r'...) really interesting, but instead we get The Michael McMutineypants Show. You know, now that I think about it, my biggest pet peeve with STD is that it is so focused on one character. Trek when done right can shift focus and gives great ensemble performances. Sure, you run the risk of a Wesley-focused episode every once in a while, but everyone kinda gets their shot and is developed. SG1 does this well too. Orville definitely does it. STD just doesn't get that aspect of Trek. I want to find out what the deal with Saru is....I mean, here is a natural coward being thrust into the middle of a war with the Klingons. That has to have dramatic potential. Instead we get a shitty story about everyone's least favorite aspie falling in love. Still don't know what the fuck is up with the fucking Ghost In The Shell level cyborg on the bridge! At least cover that shit.

Also, a bottle episode or two would be nice.
Seven of Nine - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:34:49 EST ID:Hu7sry/I No.63418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Can we talk about how much better Terran Tilly's style is to Prime Tilly's?

I mean, she was hot before but the neuroticism was a bit of a boner killer. Prime Tilly masquerading as Terran Tilly though is just a whole 'nother level of hawt though. Plus I am sad they killed off Dr. Gay-beard so early in the second arc, I mean they could've at least developed his character a bit more, that way his death would've felt a bit more meaningful other than just the shock value of it coming out of nowhere and being so random. Waste of a good character that had potential imo
James Moriarty - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:27:48 EST ID:rgbv08ox No.63419 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Mirror versions are usually way sexier. It's a byproduct of general sluttiness and good facist fashion sense.
Liquidator Brunt - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:25:09 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63420 Ignore Report Quick Reply

But her name is Captain Killy. Mirror universe Tilly is still a fucking doofus.
A career minded backstabbing doofus. If they ever show mirror Tilly for real it's gonna be great.
Ardon Broht - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:47:16 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.63421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah the death was lame and it just felt like they're trying really hard to be Game of Thrones. And now that he is dead you can tell that his entire existence on the show was just to give him a tiny bit of development so that they could expend him for that cheap shock value.
General Martok - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:29:55 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Apparently he isn't really dead for good At least that is what the word on the street is.
Krax - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:51:27 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Prediction - Killy will show up and challenge Tilly, and Tilly will end up having to kill Killy. You know they will do it.
Guinan - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:32:46 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also Evil Dr Sassygay will join the crew, but will be an edgier, more harass version of the dead one

..my nexus powers predict this.
Guinan - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:08:06 EST ID:Hzew1D4O No.63427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Harass as in he will sexually harass everyone and when he first shows up he will grab Staments by the dick, and say "this belongs to me now."
James Moriarty - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:47:56 EST ID:rgbv08ox No.63428 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think you have it backwards. I predict he will be a closet case, maybe a zealot too. Seems like the kind of cornball thing this show would do.
Bernardo Calvera - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:54:21 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63429 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Oh god can we get insider dirt on his contract?
Robert Wesley - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:42:39 EST ID:05xXm7Fp No.63444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Almost 24 hours since the latest Shit Stain Discovery aired and no one has anything to say?

Gor - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 01:57:33 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I came on last night and then checked back a couple times today to see if anyone had posted anything on it.

I started to post about it but found I had nothing to say. Just more of the same shit.

Though I shouldn't have been surprised I couldn't believe they went with the insta-freeze when you're spaced bullshit.
Mezoti - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:36:35 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude, they have a warp drive powered by magic mushrooms...reality was left in the dust long ago.

Man, even as a slave Saru is a bottom bitch....
Nevala - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:16:25 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>they went with the insta-freeze when you're spaced bullshit.

That's not what that is. If you got spaced you would pass out in moments and you'd be outgassing water vapor from just about every surface of your body.

This is from someone with a fever, whose hands and face were steaming this morning when I stepped outside.
Nevala - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:18:47 EST ID:IIZJoxAX No.63454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Additionally, evaporative cooling would really fuck up your eyes and fast.
Lon Suder - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:02:52 EST ID:5ockzHQp No.63455 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This show is BADASS. Everything is bigger, including the guns.
Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:29:44 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dr. Denara Pel - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:30:18 EST ID:EWDiVpiX No.63460 Ignore Report Quick Reply

People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

Trek is dead.

At this point you either need to embrace the camp (jjtrek and disco), rerun the same plots with slightly different costumes (orville, and probably trekantino), or do a significant reboot that builds a more plausible universe but with the same ideals. I think JJtrek was right that Trek needs a reboot, but the implementation was trash. It needs to be more significant. They just need to rip off the bandaid and rewrite the whole universe... piss all the fans off at once, but start with something more plausible.
Vosk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:16:38 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>but the implementation was trash.
No, it was fine. Trek 2009: A whole new timeline full of promise and anything could change. A WHOLE NEW WORLD HOORAY!
JJTrek 2: Wrath of Fucking Khan, but terrible.
Star Trek Beyond: The best movie in the franchise can no longer save the franchise

The worst thing is, I don't even think JJtrek 2 was even a studio-meddling affair. I think Orci, Kurtzman and fucking LINDELOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfuck you had that bright idea all by themselves and just circle-jerked it to conclusion. Then JJ fucking LIED about it.

This kills the franchise
Dexter Remmick - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:46:07 EST ID:N/hc1a2f No.63462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah, reboots are lazy. Go boldly where no man has gone before or go home.

Why not just go forward? The federation could face new kinds of existential threats when it absorbs two whole quadrants and can handle the borg (which still needs addressing). There'd be cold war with the dominion (who can probably project more force for the size of their empire) and trying to befriend the romulans to handle. Then there's the war with the sphere builders to cover. Or not because we've been there already.
Vosk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:50:44 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because the creator is dead and that's just a different way to cram in shitty TNG cameos. It wouldn't change anything.
Dexter Remmick - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:15:26 EST ID:N/hc1a2f No.63464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>creator is dead
Didn't stop DS9 being good
Gul Darhe'el - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:17:20 EST ID:klCEJxca No.63465 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Because that still leaves you in the exact same bind. You either recycle plots that make fans feel cozy but that do nothing new creatively, or you try something new and have fans tear you apart for every inconsistency (in a universe that's already inconsistent).
Corporal F Hawkins - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:26:08 EST ID:X7zdSdse No.63466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>inconsistency in my star trek?
How many people do you know that shit on DS9 or TNG because they stepped on the TOS canon? No one even remembers or cares about the things they retconned. You're making a flawed argument. Of course the only options are to either do something old or do something new, there's no other category. But being true to the spirit of something and doing something new with it are not actually mutually exclusive ideas, it's just the film and TV industry has completely lost the capacity to do it correctly.
Gul Darhe'el - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:55:26 EST ID:klCEJxca No.63467 Ignore Report Quick Reply

At the time? I was too young to remember tng, but lots of people disliked ds9 at launch saying it was boring or didn't feel like Trek. I also remember people saying it was only launched to keep b5 from gaining ground.

I can only really speak to the opinions of people I knew personally though, because damn culture was different and not as connected back then. My hunch is if ds9 was launched today, there would be forums full of fans who are upset by most the decisions.
Vosk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:10:52 EST ID:sov4E+0Z No.63468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It didn't make Voyager good either.
Gul Darhe'el - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:28:06 EST ID:klCEJxca No.63469 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Didn't mean damn, autocorrect.. Was going for "fan culture"

But it works too nb
Lwaxana Troi - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:28:48 EST ID:ZlJp0gcI No.63470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

The difference in my mind is what we actually know. Niven's work is a good example here since he is a hard sci-fi author. If you read ringworld or some of his other early works there are some physics issues and things that are just wrong because we don't know that much about it. By the time the second Ringworld novel came out MIT had picked Ringworld apart and put it back together and Niven updated his work to be more accurate.

We know what spacing does to someone. There is no reason to fake that bullshit. It would actually have more impact if they would have show the real impact of spacing and would certainly have been something the Terran Empire would do considering the death is pretty horrible. They way they portrayed it in the show they might as well have just removed them from the stream mid-transfer.

The mirror universe on the other hand is something we have had since TOS so you just kind of go with it. We also have no idea how parallel universes or pocket universes work in real life yet or even if they exist so it is much easier to suspend your disbelief. With enough universes out there there could easily be one like the one portrayed in the show. It may turn out that it is actually easier to go to other universes if they are similar to ours rather than one completely foreign or that the mirror universe is just the most easily accessible one from the prime timeline.

As for multiversal fungus and giant waterbears well, its just fucking stupid, is brand new, and fucks with the established timeline which puts it into a completely different category than something like the mirror universe.

>At this point you either need to embrace the camp (jjtrek and disco), rerun the same plots with slightly different costumes (orville, and probably trekantino), or do a significant reboot that builds a more plausible universe but with the same ideals. I think JJtrek was right that Trek needs a reboot, but the implementation was trash. It needs to be more significant. They just need to rip off the bandaid and rewrite the whole universe... piss all the fans off at once, but start with something more plausible.

Trek does not need a reboot, it doesn't need to be STD or JJ, and it doesn't need to rerun the same plots. What Star Trek needs, and what pretty much every fan wants, is for Trek to move forward. Rehashing the same old shit in a reboot is dumb, putting a new series in between a series from 2001-1966 in 2017 is fucking stupid. It just fucks with the continuity and doesn't work.

We should be post Nemesis. That doesn't mean we have to be directly post Nemesis either. We could easily be fucking around with transwarp and exploring Andromeda a few hundred years post Nem. Then you have brand new content that isn't bound too much by established cannon, can use the updated things we have today, and can be fresh without being a reboot.

Star Trek isn't "dead" because there is no room for new content or because its become to convoluted its because STD is trash and JJ was trash. There is still a ton of potential there but they are going about it the wrong way.

>Because that still leaves you in the exact same bind. You either recycle plots that make fans feel cozy but that do nothing new creatively, or you try something new and have fans tear you apart for every inconsistency (in a universe that's already inconsistent).

Its not an either or scenario. There wouldn't be inconsistencies if you didn't reboot the franchise(JJ) or create a show in 2017 set 10 years from a show from 66 that is nothing like what it was 10 years later in universe.

If you move forward then there isn't a whole lot you can get slammed for consistency wise because you aren't trying to bridge ENT and TOS. You just move forward into a new era with the timeline intact.
James T Kirk - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:36:13 EST ID:5uU+DoWU No.63471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>or you try something new and have fans tear you apart for every inconsistency (in a universe that's already inconsistent).
The major difference with a sequel that consistency becomes much easier to satisfy.
I can't really tell why the obsession with prequels in films and shows is anyway. Supposedly writers can be lazier in the world-building department. No need to imagine a whole universe just pick anybody with a certain experience and tell them to write a script for X.
William T Riker - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:33:38 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So yeah, here is the thing though....JJ had to do a reboot and shoot the same shit as TOS, because that is what the money guys felt was safest.

Finance guys are the biggest reason we get rehashed shit in our media. They don't want to take a gamble. They want as sure a thing as possible. So they go and do some rough math and figure, "Well, The Wrath of Khan did so many million. We could probably make this much off it globally then. Known quantity. Do it!" And they pour hundreds of millions into these films. I mean, films cost a fucking fortune. Even an "indie," can hit $8 million. Shit, The Room cost $5 million back in the late 90s or whatever. These guys demand "safe" properties since these are investments to them, not works of art. So we get more shit like Baywatch : The Movie (remember, that show was literally world-wide and made a ton of money,) because nostalgia is a safe bet. Things like, I dunno...Phantom Thread, which costs a lot less, I am sure, have to struggle to get made because of this shit-tier capitalist engine driving Hollywood. Fuck, the only ones who are making decent shit seem to be the streaming services, and that is because they are funded as tech companies and on a different model than the Hollywood studio system.

PS - 2017 was one of the shittiest years for movie attendance. We all stayed home and watched Tits and Dragons instead of Explodey McTransformer Pants - THE IMAX 9D XPERIENCE!
Greer - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 11:56:05 EST ID:TWSDe718 No.63475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>People nitpicking mushroom-drives and what spacing does, but have no problem with the fact that STD inherited an implausible mirror-universe where all the same people are born and rise to roughly the same positions of power and build the same ships.

Anything can happen in the universe EXCEPT in every universe you sleep with the same people at the exact same time in order to conceive the exact same people in. So if Michael Burnum is really dead in the mirror universe that means Michael Burnum in the main universe never has any children OR they've both had a child already. So I think that she isn't really dead because I think that Burnum is the great great grandmother of Reginald Barclay who, in the mirror universe, is the Terran responsible for aubergine powered body cloaking devices.
Ikat'ika - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:10:22 EST ID:EMmSH5tK No.63479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>bad finance people
As a finance person I think the general large scale mass media model of taking the laziest route is not sustainable. A good accountant looks at sustainability. By not putting anything back, you're not only failing to improve society but you're causing people to be bitter and cynical and make less and less effort. Eventually they get so shy of being stung they stop buying tickets and use their money for other things.

But lazy short term profit drives a lot of capitalist industry.
Tavek - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:16:27 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.63488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But hey, you made a fast buck and got to ogle some tits at the casting call!
Cyrano Jones - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 19:17:10 EST ID:knEAr630 No.63504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watched the Pilot, have some thoughts.

On the visuals, they are too busy for me. It seems like everything so over-designed that it looks more like a high-tech version of 40k then Star Trek, which always to me, was nicely understated in much of its looks. The seemingly religious reverence for lens flare is also worn out its welcome, back in the rebooted Star Trek movie.

Characters? Seem good. Bit worried the show might start bending backwards for Michael but that's not happened, and that's just a worry from how I've seen other main characters done in Star Trek. I also don't like that she seems to be the only focus, but that might because we're doing a build up to Discovery proper, and the new crew.

By far my biggest problem is the setting. How in the fuck does ANY of this fit pre-TOS? In DS9 holocommunication was literally invented (and scrapped) in the middle of the series and here its just casual tech, before as far as I know, the holodeck even bloody exists! You also have Michael's backstory which is so fucking shlock it was banned in Fan-fiction! Then you have the mammoth continuity problems that this show is going to cause. You think Worf, a fairly religious Klingon might have said something about a religious sect attempting to reunite the houses, claimed to have the reincarnation of Kaheless (Which, again, doesn't seem to have been a thing for Klingons) and had radically different ideas on the treatment of bodies?

I'm so sick of TOS naval gazing in Star Trek. Almost all my major problems could be easily solved by setting the show post VOY/DS9 (it'd easily explain the radical shift in behavior in the Klingon). Just more big corporations jerking themselves off and playing it safe.

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