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Captain Jean-Luc Picard is a compulsive liar by Nava - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 20:46:24 EST ID:IBEglGxa No.62572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Picard is the star of Star Trek: The Next Generation and its subsequent features films, and he serves as the captain of the USS Enterprise. The belief is that Picard, while a one of the series’ very bestcaptains, is a complete and total pathological liar. Everything he says, the way he speaks, and his actions are all done for the sole purpose of impressing people in a sociopathic manner.
Picard’s apparent love for Shakespeare is an example. He talks a lot about the playwright but apparently has next to noknowledge of his works sans some well-known quotes. He also has a vast collection of detective novels and an entire holodeck based on detective pulp mysteries, but admits later on that he’s never read them. Picard’s use of curse words and lack of integrity toward the things he’s seemingly passionate about is not only strange, but a little bit unnerving.
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Former Gul Rusot - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 21:23:40 EST ID:uFFNJL9Y No.62574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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He does have an obsession with his image. Which is indeed odd considering the society they live in. However at the same time you can imagine in the post scarcity society, that people would only have their image and status to lord over people. I don't think Picard fits your description as a pathological liar but he does focus on his personal appearance more than might be realistic within the shows universe.
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Natasha Yar - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:04:28 EST ID:q3XMUiXr No.62575 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP, you have given zero proof of him being a liar. Or any sociopathic tendencies. How about if I said that Geordi is a rapist. As you can see he doesn't do well with women and has even made holodeck programs of real people so obviously he's raping people in the holodeck. And if he's raping people in the holodeck, he's certainly done it in real life too. I'm just waiting for the allegations to come out.

He just has a massive ego. And some kind of complex about being in power. But who cares? He's the best at what he does, he can be full of himself if he wants to.
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K'Ehleyr - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 02:59:16 EST ID:gMyBwZfe No.62585 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62575
Holy shit Geordi might be a rapist
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General Krim - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 03:32:25 EST ID:CqzmvBTm No.62587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm pretty sure Picard only speaks French and Geordi put his translator on british accent just to fuck with him
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Valkris - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 09:49:19 EST ID:8W5s8YC6 No.62593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62574
>I don't think Picard fits your description as a pathological liar but he does focus on his personal appearance more than might be realistic within the shows universe.

This. Being post scarcity and all I bet there are plenty of people in the federation that get plastic surgery all the time. The Kpop industry in the Star Trek probably gets endless work because of it.
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Temporal Prisoner Chakotay - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 14:36:16 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62593
Another thing about that that bothers me is the quote "in the 24th century they wouldn't care"(about baldness) and then his character is too prideful to let his crew know he is getting work done on his artificial heart
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Travis Mayweather - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:47:39 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62597
Actually that one makes a lot more sense. He doesn't want to be weak/mortal to his crew. Even today baldness is no biggy, I mean it doesn't stop Vin Diesel or the Rock but how much less impressive would it be if they had a weak fake heart that could let them down and make them die when they might otherwise be fineand it does

I feel like this is Picard's big character flaw though. He just doesn't want to ever appear like he's got a weakness. It's the same reason he's such a "private" man, because he's afraid close friends will see a weakness in him. And in that sense he's wrong, as proven by the other captains. I mean not only does Sisko sometimes get it wrong but Janeway is completely insane.

I mean OP, either he did all the shit that happened in the series and films or you're telling us this is all a fiction he made up? He's clearly very good at what he does and the Romulans even cloned him of all the starfleet captains to pick (also flagship of the fleet... turns down admiral promotions even early on). If the events from the start of the series and onwards are true then there's no way his backstory is just made up.

His french into british was probably done by data though, who claimed ignorance.
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Temporal Prisoner Chakotay - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 16:24:05 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62598
Wait is the French to British translator error canon or just elaborate trolling?
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Donik - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:26:30 EST ID:GFisoLgD No.62605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62601

its the prevailing funny headcannon
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Trill Usurper Verad - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:30:33 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62606 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62605
It is funny. I like it
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Ensign Wright - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:18:29 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62605
Yeah though Picard is french and has a british accent. So it's actually makes sense, except the reasoning.

"numero un"

or "make eet zo numba wurn" wouldn't quite have the same impact though.
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Ensign Wright - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:19:20 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62607
nb for double post even though its top of the board. As I hit post it dawned on me how funny a re dub with a zilla french accent, perhaps even python french would be.
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Los Angeles Disguise Tu'vok - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:17:12 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62607
That's a neat idea but I really think the French accent would spoil the sonnet scene in Menage a Troi
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Ensign Wright - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:07:36 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62609

>"My lurve is a feevair, longing steel for zat which longer nursess the disease,
>in fess I do not lurve thee with mine az for zey in zee a tousand errerhs see;
>but 'tis my heart, zat lurves what zey despise, who in despite of vyuu, are pleased to dote.
>Shall I compairrre zee to a summer's day?"
I'm not sure if it'd be too much or it'd take the already deliberately absurd scene over the top.
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Mot - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:46:39 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62630
How much deliberate absurdity is in tng do you think? I always assumed a lot of it was just wacky 90s dad writers thinking they had "neat" or "creative" ideas
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Marla Gilmore - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:21:43 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62633
First couple of seasons had a lot of moments which felt like that but it was bad writing.

Some of the writing was actually neat or creative though. At it's best fantasy and less hard sci fi lets you examine ideas and plot twists you can't do with other genres. I think a lot of the time they found the mark. I guess because they often examined other genres through the lense of star trek sometimes that did feel a bit forced. Sometimes you ended up with crusher fucking a ghost or find yourself wondering why anyone would abduct Luxwana of all the betazed women in the galaxy and then on top of that why the federation would FIGHT TO GET HER BACK. However I think a lot of the time it was actually pretty good. For every skin of evil you got a Gambit AND a measure of a man.

Or do you mean the universe building? ie ambo jitsu, pareesi squares, dom jot etc?
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Kira Taban - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:41:00 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62636
What about move along home? Was that sci fi fantasy intellectualism at its best or was it bad writing? I am of the opinion that the former is correct.
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Marla Gilmore - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:06:38 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62642
I don't think anyone will defend move along home. Maybe it had good intentions but it fell a very long way short of them.
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Temporal Prisoner Chakotay - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:40:14 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62649
Kinda makes you wonder how it even got made. Clearly not budget reasons, the sets are too nice. Unless they reused like a failed game shows set to save money.
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Tekeny Ghemor - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:59:05 EST ID:7Ew1l4c7 No.62660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62657
the concept of the game was intense. but the alamaraine thing totally fucked it up. without that everything would have been gravy
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Trill Usurper Verad - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:07:10 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62660
Trying to remember the plot points of that episode. The alamarine thing was actually pretty long wasn't it? Like 10 min of the episode devoted to hop scotch and riddle solving
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Cyrano Jones - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:57:33 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62667 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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science proves it
mr pickard a shit
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Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:40:35 EST ID:bHawSpTY No.62670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62598

>but Janeway is completely insane.

I disagree. In the first few seasons, she makes a lot of decisions based on the Federation's morals and values as a society. She tries to deal with aliens and their cultures in that framework. However, much of the Federation's protocols for first contact and dealing with newly-encountered species is based on a sort of "give them the benefit of the doubt as far as you can" mentality. Obviously, this kind of mentality has its limitations. On the boundaries of the Federation, you can operate in this manner without issue - even if one of your starships is destroyed by an alien as a result of erring on the side of "it's just a miscommunication" or "accident" or "unintentional destruction", you can send in the fleet once it becomes apparent that the aliens are a threat.

In the Delta quadrant, Voyager is alone. They don't have any second chances. Their priority isn't to spread Federation values, it's to survive and make it home. You can't afford to act like Picard in that situation, but Janeway tries to. She tries to as often as she can in the first few seasons, she wrestles with the contradiction between wanting to do the right thing and wanting to survive long enough to make it home. That's a big theme in Voyager, in my opinion, the conflict between the desire to deal fairly and altruistically and peacefully with others and the desire to... not get killed by Hirogen or Kazon or Borg or inter-dimensional aliens or whatever other space assholes they run into.

tl;dr JANEWAY DID NOTHING WRONG, THIS IS THE FEDERATION WARSHIP VOYAGER, LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR COFFEE MAKERS
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Kira Taban - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:15:51 EST ID:GrAoPJXI No.62671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62670
Can we just stop trying to reconcile Janeway actions? Her character was the victim of multiple burned out writers without a clue. There's no sense to be made of it from a canonical perspective.
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Ambassador Shras - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:19:02 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.62675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62671
It's really easy. Janeway was a spastic cunt.
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Broik - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:30:36 EST ID:sJh49Drp No.62678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62675
way to be a contrarian cunt <clap> <clap>
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Lt. George Primmin - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:11:54 EST ID:c7Vhff5y No.62686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>62671
Yeah, when I said
>janeway was insane
I realised she was basically a victim of bad writing. However the result is that she repeatedly abandons her core beliefs while other times she fucks everyone over for them. One episode she risks it all for federation beliefs while later she does what she has to.

I know she wasn't supposed to be insane the writers never intended to make her insane and she isn't really insane, she's just fucked by writing. However "she's insane" is a much easier way to express that she basically has no consistent principles or values and changes her very core beliefs from episode to episode.

While she's the captain in most episodes she's just written to enable to plot rather than the plot being written to make sense with her.
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Rowboat Girlyman - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:41:37 EST ID:nT3hzwmG No.62694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>62686
I find your line of reasoning rather shallow and pedantic


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