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Starfleet Canon by Senator Ocelot - Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:21:09 EST ID:aK3MREZj No.64228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think we should remember that those boldest first journeymen would have been discovering things which rocked the entire Earth. That those things which they discovered would be televised for them as they were for us.

And the Starfleet of Picard, Sisko and beyond, like the rest of mankind, were by necessity shaped by those first forays.

What did Earth feel when on Stardate 3468.1, Starfleet discovered Olympus and met Apollo?
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Bernardo Calvera - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:23:54 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.64232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64228
>What did Earth feel when on Stardate 3468.1, Starfleet discovered Olympus and met Apollo?

personal canon is that this (and a few other godlike encounters) was a catalyst towards starfleet athiesm. Kirk mentions God at least twice but after that the other startreks seem to point that god was mythology.
So kirk finding apollo had them all reevaluate and come to the conclusion that Gee Whiz was just an alien being or something.

I really like this thread
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Azan - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:48:13 EST ID:oDV8iW5L No.64234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64232
Pretty much exactly this
I'd imagine as soon as they ran into legit, totally accurate "Gods", society probably reeled for a sec and then was like "Oh yeah that makes sense, guess those other guys were aliens too".
I'm more curious as to what would God need with a star ship?
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Private W Woods - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 03:48:46 EST ID:aK3MREZj No.64236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe everything "Starfleet" ever did was theatre: all the things Kirk was meant to have done were merely recorded on a sound stage somewhere, and the Enterprise was just a set. Maybe the people on Earth were the important thing all along.

I mean, gods? Who would ever believe that stuff? And what about Miri's planet? Are we really supposed to buy this?

I'm writing an essay for school on this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm6gjQBwPFM I really think we should be taking a close look at the history books.
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Legate Damar - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:57:22 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64236
>Maybe everything "Starfleet" ever did was theatre: all the things Kirk was meant to have done were merely recorded on a sound stage somewhere,

IMPOSSIBLE! Next you will say the moon landing was faked!
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Lon Suder - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 04:39:17 EST ID:aK3MREZj No.64243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64239
Well, to put it another way, how confident are you that we didn't develop warp propulsion at some point during or before the 1960s?


>>64232
>a catalyst towards starfleet athiesm
I wonder if it wasn't more the opposite. I see them exhibiting more of a universal respect toward spiritual and existential known unknowns than cohesive atheism--although I have a really broad definition of the term, we still seee them struggling with it from time to time. It makes sense to place "god" in its proper historical context. But at the same time, isn't accepting the existence of god-like aliens practically a redefinition of the concept as a continuum?
Even as humanity becomes more god-like through technology, aren't they forced to accept that there may be many entities who are practising an equivalent of the prime directive on humanity, as there are civilisations to whom humanity disguises themselves under the prime directive?
And that certain entities may have "violated the directive" in our history, insofar as mankind has always struggled with the "nature of god", does the relationship really change at all to wonder what kind of "aliens", as opposed to "gods", they may have been--or may still be?

That's a question that sat with the Earth for thirty-eight years, at least. Then on Stardate 41153.7, we met Q.
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Mordoc - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 08:19:31 EST ID:F7yu1kOm No.64245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64243
I feel that finding "god like" aliens would encourage atheism. If gods are more advanced life forms then it removes the "Otherness" of gods. These aliens may exist in ways we cannot yet fathom but they are just life forms like us that advanced further. As I said before I felt there was a default atheism with a large amount of agnosticism. We know there are god like beings, they are life forms, maybe started like us. Religion becomes almost entirely a question of philosophy or even just subjective. We know god like beings exist. The bajorans even found their deities were real, but were they really gods? They were inscrutable because they processed reality in a fundamentally different way to us. They were everything the bajorans thought of them, but O Brien killed one (well one of their deranged outcasts but yes, a wormhole alien).

I feel like there's always been that deliberate ambiguity, but then that's the truth in a sense. If beings capable of doing anything a god can exist you now have extra questions. God could still be something higher still. Or maybe what god supposedly did actually didn't happen. Or maybe it did but it was just aliens who are more advanced. But in that final case does that make them gods anyway? The question becomes "what is a god?". You might decide the Q are gods but Picard wasn't impressed, Janeway wouldn't put out and Sisko punched one in the face and then on top of that he taught a second race of "gods" a new concept.

There are also aliens NOT practicing the prime directive on us. Pic related. Crap episode but memorable scene.
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Lon Suder - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 08:54:14 EST ID:aK3MREZj No.64246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64245
> Picard wasn't impressed
Picard was a gleaming warrior, why else would Starfleet put him there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vNBA8mHFf8
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Captain Paul Rice - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 15:04:52 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64245
>I feel that finding "god like" aliens would encourage atheism.

The Goa'uld beg to differ!
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Vash - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:17:41 EST ID:aK3MREZj No.64263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64247
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Amanda Grayson - Thu, 05 Apr 2018 12:47:57 EST ID:F7yu1kOm No.64272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64247
I suppose I would have to add the proviso you'd need to be sophisticated enough to conceive aliens and ideally have met other aliens.

If your civilisation is sophisticated enough to have captain Mcguyver then you're not falling for the Ardra's scam.

And if you do than a passing alium will quickly reveal the BS it is. As Ardra learned. But the fact we can even write tv like that shows we'd be less susceptable.
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Robin Lefler - Fri, 06 Apr 2018 11:21:44 EST ID:aK3MREZj No.64277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64272
Are you sure it's all us, though?
For all we know the backlot was on Mars, or fucking Epsilon Digit X, and someone just mailed the tapes in to Paramount.

Although in retrospect, I guess the distinction is irrelevant. We have assimilated.


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