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Bump When Watching IV by C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:52:13 EST ID:vBMrFUeP No.64230 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Continuing from the previous thread >>53706, bump when watching Star Trek.

If ya smell what Tsunkatse is cookin’
Bernardo Calvera - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:16:13 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.64231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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just finished tos yet again, and half way thru tas already...I really love tas even though its weird as hell
never stop trekkin yo
DaiMon Tarr - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:33:53 EST ID:QW+GxvNa No.64233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TAS gets silly but I think it holds up nicely.
Enabran Tain - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 03:54:46 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.64235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TAS is top 3 treks fo sho
Major Rakal - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 06:45:45 EST ID:0ftz1fs8 No.64237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching "Remember me," for the first time. Great episode!
Legate Damar - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:48:23 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So, related question - I want to do a Trek binge. In order. Does anyone know the correct order for such a thing? I want to include the movies.

Also, can you get TAS online legally or do I have to torrent that shit?
Turanj - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 21:04:37 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64240 Ignore Report Quick Reply

In my mind there are two ways to do it. I have done it both ways and find them both pretty decent. You can go TOS>TAS>TNG/DS9/VOY mixed together as they aired>ENT


I usually do it the first way to be honest but I always watch the TNG/DS9/VOY block in order. There are a couple crossover episodes but it also helps keep things fresh going between the series like that. Aside from watching a single episode here and there I almost never just watch a single series. Once I get in a mood I'll do it all at once. I've watched the whole franchise all the way through at least once a year for the last 10 years or so and I most often opt for option A. I think it just flows better instead of starting with ENT and then going into TOS.

As for the films I would recommend watching them as they come chronologically mixed in with the shows as well. Its all in the link above.
Senator Tal'aura - Sun, 01 Apr 2018 01:49:07 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Most people just watch them in order of release. All of the TOS movies are based after the series I believe. They'd probably be best to watch back to back. Same with TNG, watch the full series then the movies.

Or it would probably be pretty interesting to try doing it in chronological order like the guy above me suggests. Maybe I should try that when I finally decide to watch them all again.
Captain Paul Rice - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 15:06:27 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think I'm gonna go with the order they were released in. At least this time. Have to find TAS though.
Geordi La Forge - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 00:57:10 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can put it on Mega for you if you would like.
Geordi La Forge - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 01:00:07 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64251 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think that is the right way to do it the first time IMO. Just do the TNG/DS9/Voy together and not separately. Chronological is cool to view a couple times but I think production order is the best way to go especially for the first time. ENT>(I guess Disco, ugh)>TOS just doesn't transition that well IMO. Its fine if you have seen prod order a few times but not great for a first full watch.

NB double post
Gul Evek - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 19:04:34 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That would be greatly appreciated, fellow Anon.

Yeah, so I just started watching TOS since, well, it seems the logical choice. Gotta say The Cage is a weird one. Sort of like watching Proto-Trek. Spock has emotions...Pike is Captain. Majel Barrett is Number One??? Fucking crazy! And Pike is basically an angry asshole, especially when compared to the cooler headed Picard. Anyway, it was a strange watch. On to The Man Trap now and some good old Kirk and the boys...
Thot Pran - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:28:06 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So, almost done with The Man Trap from TOS, and I gotta say, the Netflix rip of TOS is really fucking nice. It looks like it was possibly remastered from the original negs, because the colors are fantastic. It actually looks better than broadcast. It actually shows how much work and detail they put into TOS sets and costumes. The little details show up nice and sharp. The exterior shots of Enterprise orbiting a planet look fucking great. Lot of high quality work on the mattes and compositing and shit. For 1960s tech, it is really top notch. Very much enjoying the Netflix Trek product here.
Ulis - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:15:16 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the HD transfers of TOS are very nice
the Special Edition is fairly tasteful, too
Hugh - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 01:32:59 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My 1080p encodes are too big for my free mega but here is a smaller version:

Hope that is okay.
Thot Pran - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 13:34:16 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thank you!
Miles O'Brien - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 14:05:27 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't know that Trek was on Netflix. Is this new? Possibly a part of the deal they had with CBS?

Do they have all the series?
Thot Pran - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:36:48 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, just discovered that Netflix has ALL the series except of course STD. Even TAS.

What they don't have, oddly is any of the movies. For that you have to hit Amazon and rent everything but the JJ Trek movies, which of course are free...

Seriously, TOS looks gorgeous on Netflix. They pixel scrubbed the fuck out of it. Really nice. I am a bit worried that TNG and VOY will look like shit next to it. Especially if they use shitty rips from video tape and not remastered shots from the negs.
Miles O'Brien - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:05:16 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64267 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think if you get on an overseas vpn they have STD
Ikat'ika - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 21:52:01 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.64268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
netflix will get the movies back eventually, they rotate their movie selection for streaming but they have always had the trek seriess
if they stop streaming star trek i will bomb them
Prinadora - Thu, 05 Apr 2018 00:35:35 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Go Youtube on their asses
Willie Hawkins - Sun, 08 Apr 2018 06:25:22 EST ID:mbyjGwXO No.64291 Ignore Report Quick Reply

that would be a great news story to come across.

>Irate Loner attacks Netflix HQ Due to Termination of Star Trek Streaming
Gul Ranor - Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:56:45 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The #streamTrek movement will have their day!
Kimara Cretak - Mon, 09 Apr 2018 19:07:14 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64297 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching S1E8 'What are Little Girls Made of?'
The One Where Kirk Kisses a Robot so Hard She Starts Killing
Curzon Odo - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 02:55:35 EST ID:4SeMe49B No.64311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Randomly watching season 4eps of TNG. Finished The Mind's Eye. Now watching Identity Crisis. The episodes where characters transform into other creatures are almost always kind of meh.
Idrin - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:07:06 EST ID:mbyjGwXO No.64315 Ignore Report Quick Reply

half of TNG episodes are about turning into creatures, aliens/spirits possessing bodies or creating dopplegangers, memories being tampered with, false realities projected into their minds, e t c
Lt. JG Saavik - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:10:58 EST ID:nsueGr8y No.64316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey now, you can't casually drop retitling episodes of trek like they're episodes of friends and expect ppl not to notice, this is god's work.

"The One Where They Go Where No One Has Gone Before"
"The One With Two Parties (Boarding Parties)"
"The One Where God Needs a Starship"
"The One Where the Gang Are Little Rascals Again"
"The One Where Everyone Turns into Bugs and Shit"
"The One Where They Fuck as Salamanders"
Rionoj - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 15:31:20 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"The One Where They Fuck as Salamanders"

Always a fan favorite....
Ulis - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:00:39 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah they repeat plenty of plot tropes but the ones specifically where they transform all seem to be kind of meh.

Randomly watching more TNG. Just finished Hollow Pursuits and now I'm watching Realm of Fear. Barclay is an underrated character.
Senator Pardek - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:14:15 EST ID:G7ygUG3t No.64321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Alexander Rozhenko - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 04:58:21 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.64322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
so what are the first 2 you listed? I cant pinpoint them in the myriad of episodes floating in my brainspace
Ulis - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 05:08:22 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
More random eps. Just watched The Game. It was actually pretty enjoyable for a Wesley episode.
Rionoj - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:25:58 EST ID:bxa6inmD No.64324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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"Where No One Has Gone Before" is in S1 TNG, where they go faster than warp to the end of the universe where thoughts are reality and shit...
"The One With Two Parties" is an episode of friends where they have to have two parties to keep Rachel's parents from crossing between them. Uhh, in Voyager 'Deadlock' two alternate versions of the ship get boarded by Viidians? I was reaching...
Natima Lang - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:59:41 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuck it imma just rewatch all of TNG. It's been long enough. Starting at season 3 cause 1 and 2 would be too much of a slog,
Gor - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 07:11:16 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.64327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
but you'll miss out on tasha yars bitch slap of death
Talok - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 09:05:51 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you are a coward
Robert Wesley - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 11:03:53 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"The One Where Tasha Dies and Nobody Really Cares"
The Traveler - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 13:18:45 EST ID:yDo2d8GY No.64331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's quite a few good season 2 episodes. Don't skip the whole bunch as you miss
>the one where Riker boarded the enterprise
>the one where the judge wanted to fuck Picard
>the one where they were on drugs
>the one with pugil sticks
>the one with massive foreshadowing they didn't even know was foreshadowing

Okay the drugs one like 90% so bad its good and 10% good ending.
Arne Darvin - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:07:09 EST ID:bxa6inmD No.64332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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you mean this one right?
>the one with massive foreshadowing they didn't even know was foreshadowing
das my fave
The Traveler - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:44:45 EST ID:yDo2d8GY No.64333 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No but it did foreshadow something related to that. Unless you're talking about an episode in S2

The one I'm talking about isn't a great episode but when you realise it's foreshadowing really well it's pretty cool.
Arne Darvin - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:55:34 EST ID:bxa6inmD No.64335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
well damn man are you ever gonna tell us which one it is?
Jennifer Sisko - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:11:58 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching TNG episode The Offspring and they point out that Data cant use contractions ie say can't instead of cannot. Why would Data, one of the most advanced pieces of machinery in the federation be incapable of using a very simple language tool? That's the silliest thing I've encountered in all of Star Trek.
Jennifer Sisko - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:11:59 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching TNG episode The Offspring and they point out that Data cant use contractions ie say can't instead of cannot. Why would Data, one of the most advanced pieces of machinery in the federation be incapable of using a very simple language tool? That's the silliest thing I've encountered in all of Star Trek.
Jennifer Sisko - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:16:46 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've seen them already and don't feel like watching them again. I'll probably go back and watch the doozies for the lols.
Sorry for the double post
B'Etor - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:16:55 EST ID:mNyiL5Qb No.64339 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because it's completely unimportant. If he wanted to say it faster he'd just say it faster. It's like, his asperger's quirk.
Vice Admiral Nakamura - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:00:26 EST ID:8SbXOi9N No.64340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's to show that Pinocchio is actually already a real little boy with his own special little boy opinions about things, even though he doesn't believe in magic yet.
Chell - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:04:28 EST ID:PGo9J1FU No.64341 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you can't admit to skipping then expect anyone to care. you gotta earn that question.
Admiral Alidar Jarok - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:07:00 EST ID:mbyjGwXO No.64344 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Guinan - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:12:37 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gralik Durr - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:41:33 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Guinan - Fri, 20 Apr 2018 20:18:26 EST ID:Zu8fWtqQ No.64351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I stand by this headcanon
Gor - Sat, 21 Apr 2018 16:52:05 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But why would Data go mad? Wouldn't he only go mad if his neural net or circuits or whatever had degraded?
Guinan - Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:18:51 EST ID:RM6ExVLb No.64356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You don't think his neural net would degrade after two years in the hard vacuum of interstellar space, being pelted constantly from cosmic rays? If you've ever had to reset your router for instance, it was likely because of one of the very few errant cosmic rays that was able to penetrate the natural deflector field generated by the earth
Trentin Fala - Sat, 21 Apr 2018 18:20:55 EST ID:oDV8iW5L No.64357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>interstellar radiation causes router interruptions
God damnit cosmos can you fuck off for a minute

On topic though Iirc positronic nets are fairly delicate right? I'd imagine if Data was trapped in space shit would go wrong pretty quick, plus Pakleds aren't exactly known for advanced computational repair
Seskal - Sat, 21 Apr 2018 18:37:19 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Implying Data wasn't well shielded from random cosmic rays that would make him do shit like become fully functional on Riker's beard....
Donik - Wed, 02 May 2018 21:01:29 EST ID:sjEA0muD No.64447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watching rocks and shoals
>odo we can't fight the cardassians
seriously fuck kira
Colonel Lovok - Wed, 02 May 2018 22:47:13 EST ID:ZItpwD6s No.64450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
worst character of the show along with jadzia

fuck them so much, i had tears of joy when she died and was replaced by the cute worthless whiny bitch
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 03 May 2018 02:19:20 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.64451 Report Quick Reply
One of the absolute worst characters in Trek history.
Colonel Lovok - Thu, 03 May 2018 11:30:42 EST ID:ZItpwD6s No.64455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what the fuck is this word filter

fuck mods tbh

worthless whiny bitch = bestest waifu of ST
Colonel Lovok - Thu, 03 May 2018 11:32:02 EST ID:ZItpwD6s No.64456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
worthless whiny bitch
Colonel Lovok - Thu, 03 May 2018 11:33:56 EST ID:ZItpwD6s No.64457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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how do i even post filtered words here
the alt=1753 doesnt work

i cant delete my posts either
Subcommander Velal - Thu, 03 May 2018 12:07:42 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Welcome to 420chan. Enjoy your stay.
Curzon Odo - Thu, 03 May 2018 12:57:45 EST ID:8JPkL8Si No.64460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My advice is smoke more, chill out. Or lurk before further proving you are an idiot. Once you understand how things work you may one day become a valued member of the community.

Word filters are awesome jolly african-american. They are selected by the admin staff to wind up people. Everyone knows the word filters, its not censorship, it's just there to wind up people who are too dumb or up their own arse to realise we all know exactly what words you typed in.

Kira's kind of a cunt but she's an interesting character and she becomes a much better person throughout the series. She is very much the mirror of Dukat. He's charming and affable but he glorifies his worst deeds while doubting their validity, he talks loyalty but will sacrifice it all for himself. Kira is uptight and obnoxious but she eventually concludes that what she did was necessary but terrible and she wants to leave it behind. Even in the earlier seasons she burns bridges to do what's right and her character starts maturing right out the gate.Duet is a great piece of TV and it wouldn't be if Kira wasn't a self righteous bitch (and a bit less of one at the start). Dukat is a lot more fun to watch generally though.

Jadzia is alright. I don't get why you'd hate her though.
Colonel Lovok - Thu, 03 May 2018 14:07:13 EST ID:ZItpwD6s No.64462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i know what filters are fam, i'm not new to imageboards, just this one
alt+1753 is usually enough to go around them, idk why it didnt work here

the problem with jadzia is that her character is really really shallow, she's just there to be the eye-candy
i suppose the actress is to blame, the writers would look at her and think "i'm not wasting my time writing something for that bitch who cant act yo"
Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Thu, 03 May 2018 15:14:45 EST ID:WXr9kWPu No.64465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Circumventing the word filter can get you shoutout on @420bans so just deal with it. And, no, you can't delete your posts, so if you're prone to saying stupid shit then take that into account before you wade any deeper into these waters.

>"i'm not wasting my time writing something for that bitch who cant act yo"

Ah, that explains the dearth of Dax-centric episodes...

Terry Farrell was fine, but Jadzia was just too all over the place for me. From episode to episode, she'd switch from aloof and wise to sarcastic and childish to serious and professional, and never did it feel as if it were due to a past host's personality manifesting. It made her annoying, as too often the version of her we got that week would clash with the tone of the episode. It's really exemplified in "Dax" when she seemed almost catatonic while facing heavy accusations, and then later in "The Ship" when she decides to try her stand-up routine while the team is stranded, surrounded by Jem'Hadar, and everyone else is busy either trying to keep a guy from bleeding to death or trying to find a Founder.

Her successor's struggle with all the memories of Dax's hosts made her slightly more interesting to me, even if Nicole DeBoer wasn't quite as good an actress as Farrell. I wish she had debuted a season earlier so they didn't have to frontload season 7 with so much focus on her. I like her better than Jadzia, but I'd have preferred less focus on Dax in general throughout the series.
Subcommander Velal - Thu, 03 May 2018 15:34:04 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jadzia was basically Mr Kotter but with stories about her past hosts instead of relatives
Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Thu, 03 May 2018 19:46:29 EST ID:WXr9kWPu No.64471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Julie, did I ever tell you about my sixth host Joran, the murderer? Yeah, he had to do it to keep Dax in him. You could say that he killed for the Trill of it.
Valkris - Thu, 03 May 2018 19:52:00 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.64472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
trying to get around the rules is just going to get you into more trouble

I'd keep your head down and lurk for awhile before making a bigger fool of yourself
James Moriarty - Sat, 05 May 2018 10:59:16 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.64486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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jadzia was eye candy, but certainly not the only one
but to outright dismiss her is kinda whack.
shes quite op and isn't afraid to act like it, stop being so mad

and shes fierce bitch
Ambassador Soval - Sat, 05 May 2018 13:23:10 EST ID:Baaf62Fx No.64488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think the chief complaint is power level rather than characterization. Her baseline character is clever, smart, empowered/"fierce," and uses Dax's memories like a rolodex and/or toolbox, calling upon what she needs when she needs it.

Problem is when you have a fleshed out character, it stands out more when they go off character. McCoy suffered from it on TOS, and the Mission Log podcast guys call it "Gumbification," meaning the writers stretch and morph the character to suit a situation, like Gumby morphs to get out of a fix. As they point out, it's just jarring. While Kirk or Spock or Sisko or Kira would be reasonably consistent in mood, behavior, and action, McCoy and Dax would sometimes be distilled down to one aspect of their personality or, worse, act altogether out of character. It's more annoying with Dax because both incarnations get so much attention. She's like a Voyager character.
James Moriarty - Sat, 05 May 2018 14:31:29 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.64489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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maybe stop listening to podcasts and watch the shows man, every character goes out of character and its wack and funny, what you seem to consider jadzia going out of character to suit a situation is just showcasing her diversity.
nb shit discussion, i never should have responded in the first place
Ambassador Soval - Sat, 05 May 2018 15:20:58 EST ID:Baaf62Fx No.64490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes, it totally stands to reason that someone who hasn't watched the shows would listen to a podcast dedicated to exploring the themes and messages of each episode. You're funny. It's also worth noting that they just got to DS9 and haven't voiced an opinion on Dax's overall characterization because they don't jump the timeline.

It's unfortunate you can't have a conversation about this. A more nuanced argument on your end might help those of us who Jadzia annoys to see your perspective and like her more. I agree that she's powerful and fierce, and those are great qualities. When she overindulges one of those aspects or decides to become a stoic or a comedian out of nowhere, it's distracting. Of course other characters suffer it as well, which is exactly why I used the Bones example-- it's happened since the beginning of Trek. It's just more egregious or recurring with some, and Jadzia, being such a central character in DS9, is with McCoy as the most high profile, non-Voyager examples.
Vice Admiral Nakamura - Sat, 05 May 2018 18:14:51 EST ID:8JPkL8Si No.64491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Moriarty is just annoyed because he realised Brocolli trapped him in a simulation.

While I can see your point I think most of the time she feels fairly consistent. Its not like Insaneway where she's consistently flip floppy, it is enough that now you mention it I see what you mean but not enough that I feel like it's a major feature. Most of the time she's characterised fairly well but she does suffer from writers struggling to balance young Jadzia with old man Dax and get the consistent blend the character should be.

I also don't think all Voyager characters are as twitchy. For all its flaws it's pretty consistent. Most of the characters are static, a couple change over time. Janeway and Chipotle are the main culprits and even in for the latter I'm not sure it's that he's inconsistent, he's just weak minded and a bit lame. He's a bold decisive character but but he will always defer to Janeway even when she's gone off the rails completely and is torturing people to death for fun. Its not like the human race depends on it and she'll regret it later either. Women throw themselves at him but he can't score with a woman so horny she made an irish holographic fucktoy and deleted his wife.
Ambassador Soval - Sat, 05 May 2018 19:04:59 EST ID:Baaf62Fx No.64492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Moriarty is just annoyed because he realised Brocolli trapped him in a simulation.

"Excuse me, Doctor? N-now, I know you'll think I'm being paranoid again, but I'm sure that he's watching us from in there."

I'm probably being more analytical because I'm watching DS9 episodes more intensely since that podcast I mentioned is finally on to it. If seemingly off moments were implied to be a result of her tapping into Dax's memories I'd definitely be more forgiving, especially considering there are times when that is the case. Instead often it feels like how you described it- the writer's struggling with her.

The Voyager jab was glib. It's an easy target for poor Trek writing. Jadzia is nowhere near as bad as Janeway, and that show also suffered from the ensemble being diminished after Seven's arrival. The writer's had their favorites and did well with Seven and The Doctor. I'll have to give it a legit shot at a rewatch, as the beating it's taken being compared to STD has probably jaded me more than I know.
Quark - Sun, 06 May 2018 21:23:30 EST ID:6q7f8dAn No.64511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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just watched The Enemy Within and now i want a horned space puppy.
spoke - Mon, 07 May 2018 00:06:35 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuck I don't why i laughed so hard at that but I did.
Enabran Tain - Mon, 07 May 2018 01:43:56 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
After running out of everything else I've finally decided to back and pick up where I left on Voy. Bout seven eps into season and damned if it hasn't gotten good. The third season law is real.
Guinan - Mon, 07 May 2018 12:24:57 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Voyager had an uneven first season and a really bad second season. I mean they start out with "the 37s" one of Voyager's worst episodes.

Elim Garak - Mon, 07 May 2018 13:04:44 EST ID:a7wEJfjD No.64517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's not enough to cure depression
Lorian - Mon, 07 May 2018 20:14:35 EST ID:5KHkThg8 No.64518 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe not the placid half, but that angry one looks like a barrel of laughs.
Lee - Mon, 07 May 2018 22:38:39 EST ID:FS9U7bEG No.64519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
god I love voyager
spoke - Tue, 08 May 2018 01:32:35 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah second season was really off putting. Probably the weakest of all Trek second seasons. But like I said I'm digging season 3. Hell Neelix is even growing on me.
Belongo - Wed, 09 May 2018 08:10:28 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64530 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just watched Before and After. Damn I love it when trek does time shenanigan episodes.
Herbert Rossoff - Thu, 10 May 2018 20:17:30 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"Miri" from TOS
AKA The One Where Kirk Seduces A Pubescent Girl Into Telling Him Things
spoke - Fri, 11 May 2018 03:39:13 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Third of Five - Fri, 11 May 2018 17:06:38 EST ID:ZJDmO03/ No.64538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I remember the first time I watched that one, the Enterprise happening upon a duplicate Earth in the teaser had me really intrigued and looking forward to a good show. Then everything after the credits happened. For space brats in TOS, I actually prefer the one with Gorgon and his band of orphans.
Kevin Mulkahey - Fri, 11 May 2018 21:52:39 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Both are pretty insufferable. In fact all kid centric episodes of Trek are insufferable.
Grand Nagus Zek - Sat, 12 May 2018 04:58:03 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Clearly you missed the Rascals thread
Michael Eddington - Sat, 12 May 2018 21:26:27 EST ID:ZJDmO03/ No.64542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't wait to see how STD handles their inevitable kid episode(s).
Porthos - Sat, 12 May 2018 23:14:40 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Mommy, why do the terrorists hate us
>They hate the freedom the Federation gives us, honey. And that's why we gotta give em all we got!
Lt. Daniels - Sun, 13 May 2018 02:50:19 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Rascals threads are better than the episode.
Yeggie - Sun, 20 May 2018 18:34:57 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dagger of the Mind AKA The One Where Kirk Runs Into Some Chick He Banged At A Christmas Party.
Deanna Troi - Sun, 20 May 2018 20:47:43 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Menagerie Part 1 AKA The One Where Starfleet Somehow Still Has The Death Penalty
Mobara - Mon, 21 May 2018 14:48:36 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Turist Ömer Uzay Yolunda AKA The Turkish Movie About A Hobo Who Wanders Into The Man Trap
Deanna Troi - Mon, 21 May 2018 19:14:26 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The Conscience Is King AKA The One Where Kirk Hits On A Chick In A Space Burqa...
Jean-Luc Picard - Mon, 28 May 2018 12:50:51 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Arena AKA The one with the Gorn in it!
Benny Russell - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:25:21 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Return of the Archons. AKA The One Where Kirk Shits On The Prime Directive. Part I.
Benny Russell - Sat, 02 Jun 2018 00:28:17 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Douglas Pabst - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 22:29:59 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Errand of Mercy AKA The One Where The Organians Predict The Federation/Klingon Alliance To Come

One of my top fave TOS episodes. That and Devil In The Dark.
Gilora Rejal - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:40:52 EST ID:Yb42b7BZ No.64798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"the 37s" one of Voyager's worst episodes.
That's one of my favourite Voyager episodes, why do you hate it?

Ok so Ensign Kim thinking an old Chevy truck was an early hover car is kind of dumb but the main story was enjoyable.
Guinan - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:20:51 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well it just doesn't make any kind of sense that a species advanced enough to traverse the galaxy from the alpha quadrant to the delta would a) have little to no need for slaves & b) if they did need slaves they could have saved a few thousand light years and gotten them from somewhere in the delta quadrant

Finally, the fact that these aliens are never seen because they were all killed off by a slave revolt seems kinda silly in light of the level of technology they'd need to be able to do all the rest of the shit

I enjoyed it as a kid but as an adult I couldn't understand how the script was greenlit
Guinan - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:20:51 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well it just doesn't make any kind of sense that a species advanced enough to traverse the galaxy from the alpha quadrant to the delta would a) have little to no need for slaves & b) if they did need slaves they could have saved a few thousand light years and gotten them from somewhere in the delta quadrant

Finally, the fact that these aliens are never seen because they were all killed off by a slave revolt seems kinda silly in light of the level of technology they'd need to be able to do all the rest of the shit

I enjoyed it as a kid but as an adult I couldn't understand how the script was greenlit
Karyn Archer - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:51:04 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm with Gilora on this one. Plenty of times dumb things happen in Trek for the sake of making a compelling narrative. I notice it's mostly personal preference which ones people are willing to overlook versus get peeved over.

Anyway, we know virtually nothing about the aliens from the 37s. Maybe they are slavers culturally, like the Hirogen are hunters culturally, and collect slaves from diverse parts of the galaxy as a kind of hobby despite having no real need? Or, maybe like the Klingons or Pakleds they stole the technology they needed to get spacefaring and thus are dependent on other life to do their grunt work.

Hell, for all we know the narrative about them being slavers was a self-serving creation myth for the human rebels, and the aliens were actually trying to rescue them from what they saw as a world on the brink of catastrophe. The 20th c humans, unwilling to go along with the demand of the aliens that they don't attack each other along nationalistic lines, overthrow them so they can be free to fight like humans do.

Anyway, I'm willing to forgive pretty much anything to let Janeway talk to Earhart, just like I'm willing to forgive anything to let Kirk talk to Lincoln. The justification is secondary to the dramatic impact.
Guinan - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 20:23:17 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A fair point.I still have a hard time not skipping this one though.
Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:13:18 EST ID:H3jb/nk7 No.64806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The one where Lincoln shows up is stupid as hell, too.
Prophet - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 14:08:30 EST ID:bbZcChIZ No.64807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just assumed they only wiped out the alien presence on that planet and for whatever reason the aliens never came back. Maybe the alien species was on the verge of extinction or something, or maybe there was a cultural shift around this time and by the time anyone noticed the world had gone dark they didn't care.

It's a bit of a plot hole but there's a lot of possible explanations for it. Maybe the you're right, maybe the revolt was part of the alien's plan and it was staged to encourage the humans to love life and allow them to earn the technology in a sense and thus not take it for granted. I do wonder if the writers were smart enough that they wrote it thinking "well maybe its not true at all, but it'll serve the plot that people believe it to be true". I mean generally, not just for that episode.

Lots of weird and dumb shit does happen to make plots go. I mean if Worf said "but I advise this" and Picard said "good idea mr Worf, we will follow that advice" that's about 1/3 of the episodes of TNG just gone.
Commander Sela - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:58:20 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Saaalty. Sure, it's not a hard sci fi episode, its about character building for Kirk and Spock. It's not like he actually meets Lincoln, just a rock-based phantom. Maybe you guys are taking Trek a bit too seriously and it's hampering your enjoyment of it...it's supposed to be dumb, campy, and nonsensical sometimes. That's the shtick.
Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:06:29 EST ID:H3jb/nk7 No.64809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>it's supposed to be dumb, campy, and nonsensical sometimes. That's the shtick.

Citation needed.
Commander Sela - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:25:02 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>Citation needed
Of the 10 "best episodes" of TOS G-Rod gave for a TV guide interview, he included
>Amok Time
>The Naked Time
>The Trouble with Tribbles
Each among the silliest, dumbest, and campiest episodes of the franchise (yet, which we all love.) None of them are serious science fiction or anything other than a bit of a lark. So, by this measure, it would seem to think that G-Rod thought trek is supposed to be silly and campy at least 30% of the time.
Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:38:41 EST ID:H3jb/nk7 No.64815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Each among the silliest, dumbest, and campiest episodes of the franchise

That's an opinion. I'll wait.
Commander Sela - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:45:09 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Everything that answers the question 'what should Star Trek be?' is going to be an opinion, p'TaQ. Even your little photocopy of G-Rod's intro to the series is just his opinion about what it should be. So I have a G-Rod opinion versus your G-Rod opinion. Are you going to do some kind of scientific experiment to measure the amount of campiness in each episode of Trek? How do you propose to discuss this question at all without reference to subjective opinions.

Also, so you're arguing that Trouble with Tribbles ISN'T campy. You're hinging your argument on the idea that NO ONE could possibly see the Trouble with Tribbles as campy. Are you REALLY? Are you SURE?????????
Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:58:24 EST ID:H3jb/nk7 No.64817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>it's supposed to be dumb, campy, and nonsensical sometimes. That's the shtick.

Don't get off track. Just show me who said that Trek is supposed to be these things. I showed the initial document to show that the creator didn't have that in mind at all. I'd believe latter day Berman or JJ said it, but you're gonna have to show me or stop.
Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:04:31 EST ID:H3jb/nk7 No.64818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Star Trek can be dumb, it can be campy, it can be nonsensical. It can also be intelligent, serious, and well-plotted. It can be a lot of things, which is why it's endured. To dismiss it all as dumb camp nonsense is disrespectful to all of the wonderful episodes that are the exact opposite.

TOS wasn't intended to be campy when they were making it. That happened because time marched on, and now people lump every colorful show from the 60s in with Batman and dust their hands off. It was Wagon Train to the stars, and Wagon Train wasn't dumb camp nonsense.

I know tastes vary. I never said The 37's or The Savage Curtain were bad. They're dumb, and that's fine. Neither is the dumbest of its respective series, and both are enjoyable in their own way. That said, to lump the likes of Year of Hell or City on the Edge of Forever in with them and say it's all the same dumb stuff isn't accurate or fair. To think all Trek is the same silly shit and act like fans who think differently are "salty" is equally wrong.

Live long and prosper to all my fellow Trekkers, though. Disagreeing is just IDIC in action.
Lt. Talas - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 01:21:27 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>> every colorful show from the 60s in with Batman
I didn't say every episode is campy, just that when it is, it is not an error, but an intentional effect. Roddenberry was very explicit about how there needs to be a balance between humor and seriousness. It's why he included the episodes he did in that list...why he said things like Mudd's Women typifies the kind of humor Trek should have. Trek was always intended to have a humorous element, and humor in 60s TV was largely campy. If the show wasn't intended to be humorous, why does every episode of TOS end on a joke? Why do episodes like "Shore Leave" and "Trouble with Tribbles" exist at all?

>>To dismiss it all as dumb camp nonsense
So I guess by saying it's supposed to be those things 'sometimes' you understood me to mean 'always.' That's not what 'sometimes' means, just so you know.

>>to lump the likes of Year of Hell or City on the Edge of Forever in with them and say it's all the same dumb stuff
Again, never said anything whatsoever like that. Clearly, you need a refresher on the difference between 'sometimes' and 'always.'

>> To think all Trek is the same silly shit and act like fans who think differently are "salty" is equally wrong.
Still strawmanning hard on the categorical error. I said they were salty because they were angry about logical flaws in those two episodes and indicating they didn't like them BECAUSE of that. I said that sometimes you have to ignore the faults for the sake of the story, especially in silly, campy episodes like the ones mentioned. If you nonetheless want to get mad about those parts, then you are free to do so, as I am to not.
Karr - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:42:36 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trek was always intended to have a humorous element, and humor in 60s TV was largely campy. If the show wasn't intended to be humorous, why does every episode of TOS end on a joke? Why do episodes like "Shore Leave" and "Trouble with Tribbles" exist at all?

Exactly. The humor at the time was much broader than we see now. It had to appeal to everyone, since there were like 3 channels on TV at the time.

What does amaze me about Trek, is that they managed to talk about some esoteric sci-fi concepts and really push the envelope to make sci-fi known to a broader audience. The need to appeal to everyone made TOS have to look at things in a broad context, and couldn't get too nichey. So, you get Tribbles right alongside Amok Time (which I am currently watching and loving the fuck out of...)
Kozak - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:24:37 EST ID:+IopAQD/ No.64850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just got done watching Star Trek V. I did this of my own free will and don't regret it. I like Star Trek V and think more people should.
Kiaphet Amman'sor - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:50:24 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not great, but it has some important TOS stuff that hadn't made it in the movies yet like punching god and climbing rocks
Kozak - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 18:12:47 EST ID:+IopAQD/ No.64854 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I guess. I just find it enjoyable.
Kiaphet Amman'sor - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 18:17:56 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh yeah I enjoy it for sure. If you go in without expecting it to be super great it's got some fun stuff
Mot - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 23:15:52 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Changeling AKA The One They Basically Based The First Movie On...

Good fucking episode though.
Ulani Belor - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:54:35 EST ID:MuQ7owYL No.64865 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The climax of the Tarantino Trek movie should seriously be Kirk talking a computer to death. I really think he could pull that off and it'd be so fucking refreshing.
Gun Runner Sakonna - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 02:46:53 EST ID:SLTHT3z7 No.64866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just finished Year of Hell part 2. Pretty decent but kind of a lame ending. I always love seeing Kurtwood Smith in Star Trek and sci-fi.

That would be absolutely refreshing but I doubt we'd get anything like that.
Gul Darhe'el - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 02:58:24 EST ID:SjwLM+q3 No.64867 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I don't. It wouldn't preclude a big action set piece or two at other points in the film, it'd be true to Tarantino's stated desire to hew closer to TOS, and it would play to the strengths of the material and the filmmaker.

I really don't know what to expect from the film at all, but at this stage I'd say just about anything is on the table. That being the case, I'm optimistic. The studio knows they can't blow up another Enterprise and expect people to care. I'm counting on Trek XIV being a good deal smarter and slower (and cheaper for Paramount) than it's Kelvin brethren.
Stonn - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 05:42:24 EST ID:a1dhqo0x No.64869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang", DS9 Season 7.

Great episode -- The DS9 guys were at their best when they were fucking around, off on some obscure tangent to the main plot.
Enabran Tain - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:32:07 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah I like the Vic stuff, but I like that sort of music a lot too so I'm probably an easy mark for it
Q - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:20:59 EST ID:0KyxXOfA No.64994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just finished watching VOY 4x05 which was an average episode (5/10), one thing that bothered me is why did Harry decline Seven's offer of sex? I mean it's obvious he likes her, what was he afraid of?

Also why has Tuvok only just been promoted to lieutenant-commander, even though he's over a hundred years old? Did he get demoted at some point or did he take a long break from Starfleet?
Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:30:53 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.64996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I fucking love DS9 but Vic was the one component of it that I just couldn't fucking stand

it seemed so cheap and out of place
Kevin Mulkahey - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:15:23 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because Harry is Janeway's baby boy, he can't have sex
Lon Suder - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 21:49:01 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>why did Harry decline Seven's offer of sex? I mean it's obvious he likes her, what was he afraid of?

The risk of getting his dick ripped off by a heavily cybernetic pussy.
Corporal F Hawkins - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 23:42:00 EST ID:XX6q0fwB No.64999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
accidental assimilation at the moment of orgasm
Herbert Rossoff - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:38:18 EST ID:BDc/BC/B No.65005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's an episode somewhere around that one you just watched that explains that Tuvok indeed took a long break from Starfleet.
Guinan - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 17:50:31 EST ID:7jBXZROk No.65012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That would have been a great plot point.. Harry becomes enslaved to sevens robotic vagina
Lon Suder - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 18:11:24 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.65016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Harry gets trapped in Seven of Nine's cyber-cooter and has to be rescued by the EMH who has to make a form of cyber-herpes to pry the damnable device off of Harry's dick...

Someone make it so!
Vice Admiral Leyton - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 21:44:32 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.65031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS "Metamorphosis," AKA The One Where Kirk Explains The Friend Zone To A Giant Energy Cloud
Commander Tomalak - Tue, 26 Jun 2018 11:01:42 EST ID:7laFE9AV No.65032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You need a spine for assimilation.
Gregory Quinn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 17:43:21 EST ID:Qf2Tl6P1 No.65045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Always liked this one. That scene where the entity/ambassador holds up her dress or frock or whatever it was and sees Cochrane through it resembling how he may have looked to the entity before it merged makes the episode, or at least the romantic portion of it. Just a subtle thing, but it reinforces that the entity loved Cochrane if the goo-goo dialogue didn't drive it home.

Finding out that Tom Hanks was a candidate to play Cochrane in First Contact makes me wish I lived in the timeline where that happened.
Guinan - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:57:17 EST ID:GwChYndC No.65049 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Tom Hanks could have played Cochrane
Holy fugg
Kiaphet Amman'sor - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 03:13:49 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Middle aged woman thirsts for ectoplasm.
Elizabeth Cutler - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:28:04 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i want a sub sandwich
Commander Morag - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 02:40:07 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oddly enough I just had a sub sandwich like an hour ago. Subliminal advertising???

Watching Sub Rosa for the 4th night in a row.
Leeta - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 21:38:18 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.65105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS - A Private Little War AKA The One Where Kirk Gets Roofied

This is actually a really good episode. Excellent writing and the ending is extremely good. Probably in my top three Trek episodes.
Vedek Bareil - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 02:29:01 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sub Rosa tonight.
Corporal Chang - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 19:37:56 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
420chan was down last night but watched sub rosa last night

watching sub rosa again
Orator Plegg - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:52:41 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.65137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS - Bread And Circuses AKA The One Where The Prime Directive Fucks Everyone Over
Ensign McFarlane - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 06:56:09 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TNG Frame of Mind

hands down the best Riker episode and one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek ever
Karr - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 23:47:48 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I concur whole heartedly. Riker is kinda always a rock in the show. He's just always there, being Riker. Which is great but he never really shines. But he does in that episode, and brilliantly.
Karr - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:23:13 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For whatever reason I wanted to watch some Voyager tonight. Watched Year of Hell. I appreciated the episode a lot more upon rewatch and is kinda making me question what other episodes I should see if I like better the second time.

I'm watching Flashback now just for the Takei novelty. It's fun.
Hugh - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:49:23 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah g, big ups to Frakes for that madman acting, that shit was next level
Jannar - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:53:25 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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'Deadlock' and 'Night' are two S-tier VOY episodes that I think are routinely under appreciated. I feel like these, along with 'Year of Hell' and maybe 'Course: Oblivion' are some of the best at trying to convey the scale of how dire and serious Voyager's situation is, which I feel like was a strong suit that was always underplayed
G'Quan - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 07:11:14 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.65147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Year of Hell always kind of pisses me off because it really could have been fantastic as a full season of VOY
Jannar - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:42:11 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Clearly someone on the writing staff wanted to do a whole year, or why else would they have foreshadowed it so hard? I guess people still weren't really sold on the whole seasonal arc thing at that point, DS9 was still quite episodic that year too..

Anyway, talk about an episode of VOY that pisses me off: Equinox. Thanks for ruining the immersion in my 'we're the only humans in the quadrant' sim, retroactively lamefying the past 5 years. Ransom, you dickhead.
Jannar - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 21:21:48 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
sometimes the good episodes of Voyager piss me off more than the bad ones because when you see Voyager being good you get a better appreciation for how shit the bad ones are and how they don't have to be bad
Nava - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:03:38 EST ID:VgH3vRSA No.65155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That one and the one where he bangs that Alien to escape custody
Rebi - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:49:11 EST ID:7laFE9AV No.65158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That'd be Brannon Braga who wanted it.
Morn - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:46:19 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65163 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Who Mourns For Adonis
>tfw your mortal gf dumps you and calls you a fungus
Admiral William J Ross - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:41:17 EST ID:pSEqvwv9 No.65166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Then he aged dramatically in a couple years time. Women, huh?
Thot Pran - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 00:11:50 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.65191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Lights of Zeldar AKA The One With Memory Alpha In It.

Shit just got meta people.
Gul Macet - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 00:33:40 EST ID:mBuSEZKW No.65192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Decided to finally watch "Catspaw"

This is top 5 worst episodes of trek, up there is sub rosa and threshold

this one plan by Capt. Kirk made the whole episode though
Thot Pran - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 18:48:49 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.65203 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Catspaw had to be the mandatory "Halloween show."

Oh, just checked it first aired on Oct 27th. So yeah. It was the usual Hollywood decision.
Jal Culluh - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 21:08:46 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wan't that by the guy who did some of the other spoopy ones
Jaresh-Inyo - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:23:22 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watching the finale of TNG. It's been a while and i remember it being goofy as hell and kinda coming from left field, so my impression going in is this is either one of the best or worst episodes.
Porthos - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:55:36 EST ID:hFH53wxi No.65212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think it's a pretty good one. As a season finale it does the job well.

nb because I just stopped watching though. Was that one where Picard has musician sex.
Subcommander Velal - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:44:30 EST ID:0KyxXOfA No.65213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just finished watching TNG 2x01 - The Child, which I give a 3/10. Does anybody know what rank this is in pic related? It's like one less than an ensign.
Yeggie - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:58:08 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
okay yeah it's much better once Q shows up and it's clear what's going on. Before then it's your basic temporal disturbance but despite everything nobody believes Captain Grandpa. Too bad it takes an entire episode to get to that, but at least Netflix has the two joined as one
DaiMon Bractor - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:37:52 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.65216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
chiefpetty officer maybe? i didn't really read all that shit
Yeggie - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 23:22:31 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
once the changes between timelines become fluid it's much better. The final two episodes go from meh to great
Subcommander Velal - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:58:20 EST ID:0KyxXOfA No.65230 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like you're right: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Chief_petty_officer
Vice Admiral Leyton - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:16:50 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.65241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"Requiem For Methuselah" AKA The One Where Kirk Breaks Some Old Dude's Real Doll.
General Krim - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 06:12:57 EST ID:UjQcX3hV No.65546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Drunk at 11am on a Monday watching The Galileo Seven. Spock is so cool.
Tora Ziyal - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:05:02 EST ID:X7z/n94c No.65547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, for a few more months.
Ensign Hogan - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 18:41:47 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TNG s7e2

near the begining Riker tells Worf he'd look good in a dress and gives him the sex eyes

this is one of the few times you ever see fear on Worfs face
Simon Tarses - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:13:35 EST ID:Bp22/8YR No.65620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Having finished TNG and TOS (again, again) we have moved into Enterprise.

It's actually a decent show. Totally underrated. Also deserved to have seasons 5 - 7.
T'Les - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 05:27:56 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Reason: not having faith of the heart
Simon Tarses - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:27:39 EST ID:Bp22/8YR No.65623 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You’re a Herbert, Herbert.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 10:26:05 EST ID:L/B0hL6r No.65624 Report Quick Reply
Yes it does
Gor - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 10:47:05 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gralik Durr - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:20:07 EST ID:UjQcX3hV No.65626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just watched the episode of Enterprise where they hijack a random innocent alien vessel, steal their warp core and leave them in the middle of nowhere to crawl home at impulse speed (like 2 - 3 years apparently). Surely the spirit of Trek was speaking to the writers of that episode.

I'm just sort of going through these at random because I've seen them a bunch of times so maybe next I'll watch the episode where he threatens to flush that Yridian out of an airlock because he knew for certain he was lying because some Vulcan database he never trusted before or after told him that every single Yridian ever is an information trader, all a clever nod to that episode of TNG I guess. I'm sure when they made Birthright they envisioned the Yridian's not having any engineers, doctors, farmers, drug dealers, chefs etc. Every single one of them just trades information back and forth, no exceptions.
Gralik Durr - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:21:38 EST ID:UjQcX3hV No.65627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also why did his ship even have a cargo hold to be empty if they never, ever transport cargo of any kind? nb
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:41:06 EST ID:L/B0hL6r No.65628 Report Quick Reply
That episode is one of the reasons I love ENT and captain Archer. The darker aspects of learning how to be a starship captain in a pre-federation society.
Gor - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:05:49 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the spirit of Trek
"get Gene Roddenberry money and blowjobs" is a hard spirit to live up to now that he's dead
Spock - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:19:22 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Look, look, just, Enterprise has this really serious labeling error. You're supposed to watch S4E1 right after S2E26, that's the way it makes sense and was intended to be watched. There's some bad dudes sharing this other 'season' online but it's fake news and definitely not star trek and if you watch it, you're gonna have a bad time and maybe get space aids.
Kornan - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:51:33 EST ID:YN0x1kly No.65638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think where that episode happens is where there's no callback or repercussions. Archer did what he had to do and basically saved all life in the galaxy but there was a hefty price to what he did and it just never happened.. Both of them really.

And this is the problem with S3. It's got some good potential but the story is stretched out too much for the first 3/4 of the season and drags, but barely exists outside it's own arc. Seasons 1 and 2 aren't very good either and 4 is good because the studio shitcanned it and gave up. And this ironically is the best hope we have for some good discovery.
T'Les - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:59:50 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
quantum leapjng into the captain chair of the 9/11 space police flagship is not good trek

you ain't gonna tell me otherwise
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Fri, 24 Aug 2018 23:18:35 EST ID:Bp22/8YR No.65648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Sorry dude but you just have to bite the bullet and watch the show. You are totally correct that it is a 9/11 response piece. Watch it as that. Tell us what it teaches you about who we were in the mid 2000s.
Ambassador Soval - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:08:36 EST ID:YN0x1kly No.65649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>quantum leapjng into the captain chair of the 9/11 space police flagship is not good trek

Fixed that for you.
Amanda Grayson - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:08:33 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I watched ENT all the way through when I watched all of Trek in general and that was my opinion on it

I'm not going to watch through it a second time, that show sucked
Ambassador Soval - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 06:14:32 EST ID:YN0x1kly No.65651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
S3 is the only real response piece season.

Also I will recommend you give season 4 a go. The time nazis plot at the start was a bit like "will you just put this fucking plot to bed?" but then they did. The bit where Daniels agrees to not come back, I think Archer speaks for all of us. After that though it gets good. Lots of intrigue, strength through peace and personal sacrifice and compromise and overcoming our personality defects through the lense of aliens having to do that with our help. Which is Trek as fuck.
Amanda Grayson - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 07:14:04 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65652 Ignore Report Quick Reply
man I already said I watched the whole show

season 4 was a little better than the rest but it still sucked
Lt. Reginald Barclay - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:01:59 EST ID:Bp22/8YR No.65653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Most posters here watch things more than once.
Mordoc - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:02:04 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, this. You have to watch it twice to really get it then on the third watch you really start to appreciate it so that the 4th watch is just pure amazing. Any watch after that it starts to go downhill though. So just stick to watching it through 4 times.
Willie Hawkins - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:15:25 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"Naw man, you can't understand this show if you've only spent 72 hours watching it (that's how long ENT is.) You have to spend between 144 and 288 hours watching it to really appreciate it. If you watch it for 360 hours though, it will suck."

Maybe, or maybe if you watch anything for literally two whole 24/7 weeks you'll be able to read anything you want into it.
Grimp - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 04:49:44 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
and I occasionally rewatch TOS, TAS, DS9, and TNG

shit sometimes I'll even throw a VOY episode on but ENT was fucking stupid quit pretending otherwise

you are deluding yourself and it is only hurting your mental health
Dr. Crell Moset - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 06:09:40 EST ID:UjQcX3hV No.65659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is the only right answer. There is a bit in Birthright where the Klingon youngsters ask Worf what he gets out of the old stories about Kahless and he says "I return to the stories at various times in my life and find new meaning in them each time" or something like that. That's what Star Trek is to me. I have been watching it over and over again for as long as I can remember and it has only changed as I have changed. We should have a thread about this.
Dr. Crell Moset - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:19:51 EST ID:UjQcX3hV No.65660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
drunk at Sunday lunchtime watching Best of Both Worlds. I'm waiting to get baked and have set aside this time to just go through the TNG 2-parters in order, it's a sequence i've never tried before that may or not turn out to be an enjoyable way to watch them. Will report back.
Talok - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:10:25 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean I have wasted literally whole months of my life watching Trek too, but I don't think I'm better than other Trekkies because of it or it entitles me to say their opinion about a show is wrong. It is true however that, like a fine wine, they only get better with age.

A TNG 2-parter marathon is like mainlining peak Trek. You may not survive Moset!
Tallera - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:43 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was joking btw. You really don't literally, actually fully understand and wholly and totally appreciate ENT until you've seen it at least 4 times. After that it only gets better.
Karyn Archer - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:19:22 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yah I knew you were probably joking but the other guy wasn't and wanted to give him some back up. I too have watched ENT so many times that I also think it's good, but I think that's mostly stockholm syndrome really.

>>pic related. me watching ENT bww. "It's....so....g...good..."
Karyn Archer - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:20:44 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Eh it didn't like that pic of Kirk screaming in DOTM. Here's a different one, same bad joke
Wesley Crusher - Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:28:46 EST ID:mBuSEZKW No.65792 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I hold to a steady rule: the worst star trek is always the most recent one. After a worse one comes out, the older one becomes part of the family.

I don't know how Star Trek Galaxy will make discovery better, but I expect this pattern to continue
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:54:12 EST ID:L/B0hL6r No.65795 Report Quick Reply
VIY breaks that rule's steadiness tho.
Mila - Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:59:05 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Only to people who hate VOY or love ENT so much that they would for some unthinkable reason put ENT over VOY.
Samson - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:50:31 EST ID:GmWYq6a9 No.65877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
started rewatching Voyager recently, just finished the Tuvix episode. really reminded me why I hate Janeway, anyone who can commit murder like that is in no position to moralize about anything
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 23:05:03 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.65880 Report Quick Reply
You don't have to like ENT very much to like it more than VOY, because not only is VOY less likeable than ENT, but it's a nightmare.
Nevala - Mon, 01 Oct 2018 01:36:26 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>> it's a nightmare.
Oh yeah well
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 00:24:35 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.65905 Report Quick Reply
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Leck - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:22:29 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.65910 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I don't even mind the ultimate decision to kill Tuvix. Obviously he had to die one way or another for the show to go on and the only other option is to have him willingly sacrifice himself, which is boring, or have him die in an accident and be split as a last resort, which is lame.

Janeway isn't Picard. She's supposed to be the mother of the ships family, not an ambassador. I could totally understand her making the emotional argument of the value of two well known and liked crewmembers to the morale of a ship out on its own, or making the practical argument of the value of two crewmembers to their survival versus one. Considering this is a moral dilemma that doesn't really exist outside the scifi conceit, you could even make an interesting ethical argument for two potential lives over one existent one.

But they don't really do that. They gloss over the moral implications. They don't take advantage of some very obvious comedy material. Instead the writers opt for a sappy story starring the worst actor in the cast. The fact that no one on the crew but the doctor objects in the slightest makes the ending feel like a horror movie.

Anyway, its just typical Voyager to shit all over any good idea they have.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:58:12 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.65914 Report Quick Reply
Honestly that episode doesn't even have an impact on my opinion of the show really.
The idea of being out in the wilderness with no rules, and struggling to walk the line between sticking to your Federation principles and doing what you have to do to the crew home is a great concept for a series, but the execution was shit.

ENT does a similar thing (since even the alpha quadrant is the wilderness at this point in time) and it is executed better than Voyager. Archer has to struggle with the challenge of exploring deep space on Earth's behalf for the first time with NO prior experience, whiel representing the species properly, but without even having specific Federation principles having been laid out yet.

And then there's the fact that Archer simply is a better captain than Janeway and he would have done a better job at what she did if he had been around in the 24th century.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 22:24:36 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.65918 Report Quick Reply
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Albert Macklin - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 20:19:27 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Season 1 ENT does VOY's premise better than VOY itself does, for sure.
By the same token, "Year of Hell" does Season 3 ENT's premise better than it does (and even YOH doesn't live up to its full potential.) There are other examples like this; episodes in TNG that feel like they really belong to DS9 (Drumhead and Chain of Command, anyone?) while there are DS9 episodes where they clearly really just had a left over TNG script to shoot.

Ultimately, when you're mining the same IP for decades, you're going to retread the same stuff, and sometimes you'll do it better the second time around. I'm pretty sure we could demonstrate that every episode of TNG-era Trek is really a retelling of an episode or part of an episode of TOS.

Really, I think the best way to compare the flaws between VOY and ENT is; with VOY they were trying to do way too much, and went no where as a consequence. They wanted to be TNG 2, happy funtime family hour, and dark lost in the wild adventure story. It's just too much. ENT, on the other hand, has too little going on. See, it's the first ship named Enterprise, and the Vulcans are mean this time and...there's this time war thing, but don't pay attention to that, it's actually just nazi bats.

I think they're also highly comparable because they're the only two to feature a major tonal shift halfway through their run. Most people liked both these changes, but I think it made both of them infinitely worse. Borg with tits is just a bad, almost Mary Sue-ish character, and after her arrival most other characters are relegated to side roles. Dumb.
By the same token, Season 3 totally ruins ENT for me. It's an OOC tonal nightmare of 9/11 proportions. If you took out season 3 of ENT, but left in all of VOY, it might put ENT over VOY for me. But if you cut out most of the Seven episodes, they would be on even footing again.

Moral of the story I think is Trek becomes worse the more self-conscious it becomes of what it is doing. TOS is literally all over the place and that's why it wins. DS9 has a coherent message to say about the Trek ideology, but it is so mostly focused on that pursuit that it is able to lose itself in it. Ultimately this leads to situations like STD, where they are parroting the elements of Trek with no actual understanding of their meaning. /rant
Jannar - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:10:26 EST ID:e5feiTTX No.65930 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It just occurs to me that a combination of Tuvok and Neelix would be the first person in line for the suicide booth. Tuvok because 2>1, logic, and Neelix, because he's a huge faggot and would kill himself to make his child bride happy.

Better episode would be Tuvix, instead of being the best of both men, turns out to be a huge piece of shit. Just as annoying as Neelix and just as cold as Tuvok with none of the competency of either. Then the crew hates him, and now Janeway has to decide between killing some useless asshole to revive "two" important crewmen, and ethics and stuff.
Senator Vreenak - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:37:25 EST ID:SvUZzI3A No.65984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Janeway's also a science officer captaining a science vessel.

Voyager is all about not being particularly prepared. Sure they have enough gear to fabricate two dozen replacement shuttles, but they can't replicate more than a cup of coffee for the Janeway every day.

Just typing this out I realize all over again... My god this show was poorly written.


Whatever my argument was I'm not making it now.
Curzon Odo - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:43:06 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Q - Sat, 13 Oct 2018 17:43:41 EST ID:0KyxXOfA No.65995 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Felt like it ended abruptly, Trip's death seemed pointless. Shran's daughter saying "Thanks pinkskin" was a nice touch. Archer says "Where no one has gone before" at the end even though it's set a 100 years before TOS, it should be "...no man has gone before". Overall score 4/10.

Season 4 of Enterprise is easily the strongest season, but I felt the finale let it down.
Charles Tucker III - Sun, 14 Oct 2018 09:48:07 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Felt like
Commander Tomalak - Sun, 14 Oct 2018 18:25:04 EST ID:LCfgD/e0 No.66000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ah yes, that episode. It only exists in a handful of doomed timelines along with the second and third matrix films. I exist in a better timeline where season 4 had 23 episodes and the animatrix is where it stopped.

The temporal cold war originally started as an attempt to guide all timelines to resolve in such a manner but there were a few fuckups. Sorry about that.
Admiral Nechayev - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:34:16 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey man say whatever you want about that shitty episode but Matrix 2 & 3 were fire. I've never met anyone who has re-watched those movies since they came out who could give me a reason why they were bad. Everyone just built the Matrix up in their mind to Halo 2 porportions and so when it came out and didn't remake reality in its image and likeness with the first frame they decided to hate it. They're good movies that are pretty much exactly like the first one except they have more world-building, more philosophy, and better fights (with slightly worse pacing.) What's not to like?
Greer - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:30:55 EST ID:b2kjICL7 No.66010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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people ascending downward?
Lt. Diana Giddings - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:30:03 EST ID:KGL1tgWI No.66022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love the Matrix trilogy, but after seeing them all again and again, it's clear that 2 and 3 are shells compared to the first one. The original just has a perfect story set up that can't be captured again, because you can't go back in the sequels to a time where everything was just normal human living. The other ones miss the mark in that regard, and it's probably because they aren't ripping a Greek allegory for their plot.

The transformation Neo goes through, along with how we can all relate to his messy apartment-living condition at the beginning, being late for work and having a shit boss, posting on what people thought the internet was back then, that's what makes the original so incredible. They blend all of that into this edgy night club leather coat slow-motion kung fu shit, and it just worked perfectly. The sequels though don't have that grounded normal place to contrast with though. The film starts with Neo already having mastered the blade, and he just goes around going "Pfft, nice try kid." to everyone. I often feel that the combat scenes in the sequels are forced, or there for their own sake, whereas the fighting scenes in the original all feel like a vital part of the story.
nb cuz no trek
Benny Russell - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:36:17 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>they aren't ripping a Greek allegory for their plot.
The sequels also follow the monomyth, just not as clearly.

>>The sequels though don't have that grounded normal place to contrast with though. The film starts with Neo already having mastered the blade
This probably is the biggest flaw with those films. I think there should have been more establishment time within the matrix itself. But that's mostly a pacing flaw I feel like, since we did in fact still remember all that stuff from the first movie and know it's out there.

It's honestly very similar to animu style plotlines, where things enter this overloading cascade of insanity, and thus the power level of the herodudeguy has to grow exponentially. As that one dude said, "the Matrix movies are targeted at a very niche audience, 14-year old boys with philosophy degrees."
Ikat'ika - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 03:16:54 EST ID:DXC3IuTR No.66035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watching VOY 'Night' aka the one where the writers come up with a genuinely original and compelling concept and chicken out of it halfway through the episode
Former Gul Rusot - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:31:48 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.66036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
man VOY suffered from that a lot I think

so many episodes the first 5-7 minutes would have me super hooked then it would just go sharply downhill for the rest of it
Ensign Samantha Wildman - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:55:32 EST ID:qbWbtU3Z No.66037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The whole series suffered from it, and it didn't even take half a season for the chickening out to occur.
Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:40:43 EST ID:LCfgD/e0 No.66041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
2 and 3 are cash ins. They're forced world vision, bolted on content that didn't exist before. There is something to be said for not diluting a vision. The original hasn't aged amazingly but it's fun and it works. Matrix 2 and 3 feel like they're just there to fill time (or rather seats) rather than tell a good story. Because they are. The original was about as good as a hollywood mass market blockbusters get, the sequels are just standard and it's a low standard.
Homn - Sun, 21 Oct 2018 05:09:51 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.66052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
agreed man I've always said that VOY had the most interesting premise of a star trek show but executed it horrendously
Etana Jol - Sun, 21 Oct 2018 14:08:55 EST ID:2UPhFisy No.66055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Absolutely, especially considering its place. Easy to say in hindsight, but with DS9 going darker as it went, a Voyager that started darker (that is to say, better depicting the struggle of integrating enemy crews, rationing, and repairing/restocking without Federation assistance) and got more optimistic as they figured it all out and saw the light at the end of the tunnel would've been a great way to get the series in a position for a post-Nemesis era show that had the Federation exploring on a fully galactic scale. I doubt there was enough coordination or foresight between the DS9 and VOY staffs to make exactly that happen, but a better executed Voyager could've kept the franchise invigorated despite the TNG films struggling.
Q - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 16:10:00 EST ID:0KyxXOfA No.66143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS 1x13 The Galileo Seven - Spock, Scotty, Bones & four others are stranded in a shuttle on a planet with hostile primative giants. Episode is an example of lack of techno babble in TOS, Scotty says he can adapt the engines to run on the hand phaser's energy/fuel without a single word of techno babble. One thing that bothered me was @21:54 Spock seems almost angry when he says "I'm not interested in the opinion of the majority, Mr. Gaetano".
Herbert Rossoff - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 17:42:19 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.66144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah Spock was basically losing his shit
Q - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 21:10:08 EST ID:0KyxXOfA No.66202 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS 1x28 The City on the Edge of Forever - Whilst high on an accidental high dose of cordrazine, Bones steps in to the Guardian of Forever & accidentally changes history for the worse. Kirk & Spock follow him in order to restore the time line. At the end they had to let Edith Keeler get ran over & die to correct the time line, this made the episode a 9/10 for me rather than an 8. @04:14 Bones karate chops a guy on the hip & he falls unconscious. - So campy & unbelievable, but I can cut TOS some slack.
Ardon Broht - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 09:18:48 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.66203 Ignore Report Quick Reply
TOS-era Feddies were really great at karate chops
Dr. Antaak - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 18:49:01 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I like how you spoilered the part that wasn't a spoiler and let the actual spoiler just hang in the breeze.
B'Etor - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 05:54:41 EST ID:edRFrFoY No.66205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's been mildly trolling in that manner for a long time now.
Toral - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:15:43 EST ID:t4O3rm8h No.66206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He cracked the code to confound C-hyggl
Tora Ziyal - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 21:31:22 EST ID:FygexOU9 No.66208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah it's a little trick called "posting on /1701/"
Ghee P'Trell - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:06:07 EST ID:t4O3rm8h No.66209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm pretty sure you could slip some spoilers from the wire under his nose.

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