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What is it? by Dr. Antaak - Mon, 21 May 2018 13:27:50 EST ID:V5NqeO2L No.64653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Really though guys, what is it?
Michael Rostov - Mon, 21 May 2018 14:55:27 EST ID:EHqfxK6J No.64656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gor - Mon, 21 May 2018 15:11:16 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I created it and it's REEEEAAL!! Don't you understand?!
Michael Rostov - Mon, 21 May 2018 18:16:01 EST ID:EHqfxK6J No.64659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It better be because if there is even the slightest flaw, then I will send you back to that Klingon prison and tell Gowron to take his time while he executes you!
Azan - Tue, 22 May 2018 18:25:56 EST ID:WedrHoVC No.64667 Ignore Report Quick Reply
An optolithic rod. It's said repeatedly, it's a big deal as those are hard to come by and its a real one. Its just the data which is a faaaake. So sayeth the resident expert Kreenak.

Though the other posts in this thread are better than the real answer.
Valkris - Thu, 24 May 2018 20:12:35 EST ID:t4KwPnK0 No.64700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What do you know about the truth? You bend the truth into whatever shape suits you.
Cmdr. Kelby - Thu, 24 May 2018 23:50:53 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64702 Ignore Report Quick Reply

These could be quotes straight out of The Captains documentary. Dude is legit crazy now.
Zefram Cochrane - Fri, 25 May 2018 00:14:27 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've heard it's more a thing he does to fuck with people when they want him to do nerd shit.
Valkris - Fri, 25 May 2018 08:46:45 EST ID:t4KwPnK0 No.64706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I recall an interview where a TNG alum who had become acquainted with Avery over the years described Avery as having a "jazz brain," implying his love for the genre had spilled over and now all his thoughts are syncopated and improvised. Dunno if that's the case, but it would've made for a good Riker B-story.
Skrain DuThot - Fri, 25 May 2018 08:51:05 EST ID:V5NqeO2L No.64707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If you actually think that, you'd probably believe anything!
Brooks is the kind of guy that lives in the now, he doesn't like to talk about projects he did 2 decades ago, he's moved on from DS9 and does his own thing now. That's why he acts "legit crazy", because he wants to, as the anon above said, fuck with people.In the Captains Documentary, he acted like that the whole time just to pull Shatner's leg.

Dammit Jim! He's a Jazz Musician, not a Starfleet captain!

Don't quote me on this, but I believe he's teaching Theatre at Rutgers rn
Zefram Cochrane - Fri, 25 May 2018 10:31:36 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean realistically what's more of an entertaining response to asking the guy about the time twenty years ago that he yelled at the guy with shit glued to his face, the same boring "oh yeah it was a real passionate shoot, yeah" nonstory every old SF actor has or whatever mixture of sounds and gestures Avery comes up with
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 25 May 2018 18:33:59 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.64712 Report Quick Reply
This was a pain in the ass to decipher.
Dr. Antaak - Fri, 25 May 2018 19:27:38 EST ID:IjP1rpxQ No.64713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Maybe you just have to be kind of weird IRL to play a great captain. Even Stewart being a classically trained Shakespearean actor who indulges in lowbrow humor all the time counts.
Dejar - Fri, 25 May 2018 20:14:24 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude, all English people love lowbrow humor. Two words.

Pax - Fri, 25 May 2018 20:35:40 EST ID:IjP1rpxQ No.64721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lower than that. The highest of highbrow and lowest of lowbrow dichotomy isn't "weird" exactly, but it's asynchronous and eclectic, which are two words which may better describe the actors behind the 3 bald captains.
Grand Nagus Zek - Sat, 26 May 2018 03:34:39 EST ID:FjZ9V2nx No.64723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Isn't Stewart basically a stoner who likes watching Beavis and Butthead? Or is that just one of those things people make up?
Private S Money - Sat, 26 May 2018 09:36:10 EST ID:+9QoXr0j No.64724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's said as much in interviews. He's definitely high on the list of celebrities I want to smoke with.
Dejar - Sat, 26 May 2018 17:12:39 EST ID:5VzmgF16 No.64733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hell yeah. Plus he knows Gandalf really well, so like you could get him baked and then be all, "Let's call Gandalf and get his ass over here for a smoke sesh of this pipe weed..."
Skrain DuThot - Sat, 26 May 2018 21:26:04 EST ID:arXWx8CO No.64739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ummmmmm wtf
Commander Suran - Sun, 27 May 2018 00:41:15 EST ID:oDV8iW5L No.64740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuck yeah
Imagine the US under Sisko, shit would get done
Guinan - Sun, 27 May 2018 05:43:10 EST ID:GqcFpgis No.64742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Let's meme this into reality, it worked last time someone posted a meme of an unexpected, slightly crazy man becoming president

For real though he'd have to start as VP for the first season and only get the full presidency towards the end of the second season
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Sun, 27 May 2018 12:43:26 EST ID:URf+iq8h No.64744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
don't we have to elect Patrick Stewart first so that he can pass the job onto Avery Brooks in a crossover episode?
EMH MARK 2 - Sun, 27 May 2018 20:19:40 EST ID:4H/+986K No.64745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, Patrick Stewart just has to explain to him that the creepy, lying lizard people left the place a mess, and that it'll be his job to make the country worthy of readmission into the federation that is the international community.

Then that will be forgotten about when a war breaks out in his second term. We'll win and the country will get stronger for it, but old people will swear it ruined the entire America franchise.
Guinan - Mon, 28 May 2018 05:09:48 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>old people will swear it ruined the entire America franchise.

This will probably start a shit storm but I am several hundred years old and I do kind of wonder if DS9 killed trek, and not because it was dark or edgy or morally grey but because they failed to bring it back around again to the Roddenberry optimistic future, where diplomacy trumps violence whenever it can, etc etc. We should have seen Cardassia in ruins being rebuilt, indications it might be amenable to joining the Federation as they help extensively in the rebuilding process, Garak falling into a leadership position, Bajor becoming more aggressive and independent, the Dominion receding into civil war and chaos. And through it all we'd hear Sisko or Quark or Garak break it down into it's philosophical conplexities.

It needed more of an epilogue after that while massive arc, but most of all we needed to see the Federation recovering from its psychic war wounds and sticking to its principles. DS9 abandoned Dukat being a complex, sympathetic villain to a fucking DBZ character, and they dropped the ball on weighing the true costs of war by showing it's aftermath. Maybe things could have been different for Trek if they had some bigger balls here. Maybe ..

Instead we get a shitload of €zri and more Vic Fontaine than you can handle because s7 is like 2/5ths filler shit for some reason.
Lt. JG Ayala - Mon, 28 May 2018 06:49:29 EST ID:WedrHoVC No.64748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But voyager ran right afterwards chronologically. Well overlapped. It also failed.

I see what you're saying. In the end they won by not genociding but they didn't really follow though. A lot of people would have rather seen the war end halfway through S7 and then have the drama of the rebuild for the other half though that would be REALLY hard to write and not be an anticlimax. Then have what you leave behind at the end.

With Dukat they fucked up by making him too sympathetic then they fucked up by over compensating. But lets be honest they only needed to play up how broken down he'd been by the results of his actions that he'd gone insane a bit more to at least bring some more depth in.

I think bajor would have become less aggressive after the events though. I mean they spent most of DS9 flirting with being more aggressive and independent and then not and it'd only make sense if after all the random hewmon Sisko did for them that they would start to become less xenophobic though perhaps more proactive in their defense after being powerless in yet another major war. So they'd become more aggressive and better armed but with the goal of pulling their own weight and being an equal among their allies. Sort of like the Klingons were becoming but from the other direction.
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Mon, 28 May 2018 09:32:12 EST ID:+hmnCPhK No.64749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That all sounds a lot like Season 5 of Babylon 5.

Voyager was sort of a return to that crossed with Swiss Family Robinson or some shit. And Voyager is so goddamn mediocre it's infuriating.
Enterprise at least had the decency to be fucking terrible when it wasn't being excellentYeah, overstatement. I know.
Admiral William J Ross - Mon, 28 May 2018 10:25:17 EST ID:KD3/2f41 No.64750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's a fair thing to wonder. Even everyone's favorite (non El-Aurian) Trekkie, Mr. Plinkett, said in one of his TNG movie reviews that the Dominion War did more damage to the franchise than those movies.

I agree that an epilogue season would've helped immensely. DS9 accomplished its goal of testing Trek's values and philosophy, but it doesn't wait around for the grade.
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Mon, 28 May 2018 19:47:20 EST ID:+hmnCPhK No.64754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno if that's actually true or if the later series' just didn't live up to it.

And when they try to live up to it we get weaksauce like the Xindi temporal cold war and Season 1 of Discovery.
Roger Lemli - Mon, 28 May 2018 20:01:54 EST ID:KD3/2f41 No.64755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Enterprise didn't follow it chronologically, and Voyager took place away from the Federation, completely unaffected by the war.

Star Trek isn't Star Wars where you can blow up the Death Star, throw the Emperor over a ledge, pass out hugs, and then cut to the credits. The Alpha/Beta quadrants had been rocked. New alliances had been forged. Section 21 was out of the shadows.

These are paradigm shifters that the writers/producers used to great effect for good storytelling and a subversion of the formula. To leave those threads hanging also left the Federation's morality hanging. It wouldn't have been the last season of Babylon 5 if done correctly, because there was much more meat on the bone. Sisko's return, Bajor's admittance, Dax & Julian, post-war Garak, etc.

DS9 ended great, and I don't think it ruined anything. There are still times when I watch it and think, "ehh, that's not very Star Trek..." but it was wise to challenge Gene's world and see if it could withstand it. It did, and in hindsight I think it would've been nice for Trekkies to get to see how much stronger the events of the Dominion War made the Federation.
Skrain DuThot - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:32:50 EST ID:arXWx8CO No.64780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Eh.... You do have a good point.

But I do think that S7's filler was mostly good except for all the worthless whiny bitch episodes, they should've just let Dax die instead of trying to start and "end" a major character arc within one season
DS9 needed more than 7 seasons to tie up all the arcs and relationships they developed. Either way, it's the superior series

Governor Torak - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 00:59:14 EST ID:bAqNYclC No.64787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>literal rip off from babylon 5

DS9 lost all its appeal to me since i found out about what they did to JMS
Charles Tucker III - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:48:49 EST ID:bJrisuWk No.64788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yall niggas on this board have lost so much credibility in the last year.
/1701 was fuckin cool but lately its just been so much ds9 / orville hate while simultaneously deepthroating STD and ENT

its quite sickening tbh
Lt. JG Nog - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 03:06:28 EST ID:URf+iq8h No.64789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ENT has mpreg. you can't beat that.
T'Les - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 03:56:39 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.64790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey, I think DS9 is great.. but I'm trying to decided where the franchise lost its way. I think a lot of the ENT love comes from comparing it to newer fare.. and sadly it looks amazing in comparison. I like only a few ENT episodes enough to ever want to rewatch them.. mostly just the Andorian/Romulan drone trilogy of episodes and a few random ones like Sleeping Dogs and the Orion Slave girl one, for instance. For the most part to me, ENT is hard to watch. It's boring.

I thibk you're just seeing what you want to see. Maybe you just don't love us like you used to because like many of us you've been wounded by these new bastardizations of trek. Why do you think people now praise Emterprise? Or Voyager? It's because we are holding on to a dying love. There'll be others. But every time you feel love, it'll be different. Every time it's different. Maybe it'll be the Expanse. Maybe it'll be this new LotR show. Who knows? But that's the exciting part, the mystery and allure of new beginnings...

Now are you sure I can't get you something to drink? You sound like you may have troubles needed something a little stronger than synthehol.. and I happen to have a bit of a selection of such things..
Azan - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 10:05:04 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64791 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm a big fan of JMS and I appreciate that it's messed up to do him like that, but still I quite enjoy DS9. I just know that it's almost like store brand Coca Cola when viewed next to B5.
Jack - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 13:47:03 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What board have you been reading? Nobody likes STD and DS9 worship is at an all time high. If you were talking about plebbits trek boards I would agree, but that ain't here.

>>I'm trying to decided where the franchise lost its way
I really agree with the idea that it was DS9 specifically because of how they handled season 7, by ending on the war rather than bringing everything back around to normalcy. Again, DS9 is great, 95% of it is awesome, but, unintentionally, they laid the groundwork for Trek's slow demise. VOY didn't help, ENT was the last gasp and JJfuck/STD are the nails in the coffin.
Skrain DuThot - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:13:22 EST ID:V5NqeO2L No.64803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Believing everything people say about the DS9/B5 controversy

Tell me ADvoCAte, ISn't IT PoSsiBle an exec at the company took concepts they liked from the B5 pitch and recommended them to the DS9 crew, with the DS9 crew not knowing those were concepts from another show?
DaiMon Nunk - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:45:47 EST ID:KU2TtWSB No.64804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> they laid the groundwork for Trek's slow demise.
I dunno where this shit comes from. It's not like Voyager ran several more years but was shit on its own terms? Oh wait.
DaiMon Nunk - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:46:38 EST ID:KU2TtWSB No.64805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>ENT was the last gasp and JJfuck/STD are the nails in the coffin.
Way to gloss over all of the TNG movies.
Commander Sela - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:14:36 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>It's not like Voyager ran several more years but was shit
a.) VOY never had the viewership of DS9 or TNG because it was sequestered on its own network. For people who were just watching broadcast (the main line Trekkie at that point) the mindshare was with DS9.
b.) VOY didn't challenge the fundamental narrative of Trek, it completely went along with it. DS9 spent its entire run bloviating about deconstructing the Trek concept, but only ever did it half way and didn't put it back together conceptually when it was done. VOY didn't address that problem, so that's why I said it didn't help, but it also didn't create the problem of 'how do we deal with grimdark Trek when the nature of trek is happylight?' ENT tried to ride the line between the extremes, fell off when it went too far to the DS9 side, and then died, so its faults are also a symptom, not a cause.

>>Way to gloss over all of the TNG movies.
The TNG movies are great except for Nemesis. But they have nothing to do with the franchise's failure to contain the consequences of the grimdark trend, because the movie franchise has always been totally different from the real (TV) franchise. In those movies the problem isn't staving off the grimdark-ness, it's saving off the last action hero-ness, so the effects of DS9 don't even play into it. (Except to say that, perhaps because its the 'the secret DS9/Dominion war movie' First Contact is the cream of the TNG movie crop)
Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:36:03 EST ID:H3jb/nk7 No.64814 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nobody's pointing the finger at any one show, movie, or moment. Of course it was a combination of factors that caused the end of Trek's future.

For a person who believes in slippery slopes, DS9 and the compromises it made in order to tell its story can very fairly be argued as the beginning of Trek's slide.
Senator Kimara Cretak - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:06:34 EST ID:7laFE9AV No.64819 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd say the desire to wallow in TOS naval gazing was the end of Trek way more then anything DS9 or VOY did.
Skrain DuThot - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:21:24 EST ID:arXWx8CO No.64820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Dodging a valid point by attacking DS9 for being unique and smart instead of being another mindless TNG clone
>Shift all blame to DS9 because you're a contrarian
>Generations, the worst Trek movie of all time, is "great"
>Insurrection, another awful Trek movie, is "great"
>Ignoring that DS9 had just as many happylight moments in it as it did grimdark

I never knew it was possible for a human being to be this wrong about something before in my life.
Lt. Talas - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 01:00:41 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And I reiterate: saaalty. Why are you so butthurt? 'Hurr, someone on the internet has opinions I don't like, let me make a block of yellowtext'
You are obviously just spoiling to fight over anything. Fuck off. DS9 is the start of Trek's slippery slope. If you can just carte blanche claim VOY is responsible, I can say that. I like the TNG movies, if you don't like them, fine, if you don't like that I like them you can basically eat a dick and die because nothing else is going to happen from that.
Skrain DuThot - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 08:45:43 EST ID:V5NqeO2L No.64823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ah, the old "I have no real argument so I'm gonna call you triggered"
I'd take the bait, but I'm far beyond that now.
Lt. Talas - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 13:29:49 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I had a long argument that you rephrased snarkily in yellowtext and never responded to. I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything anyway, I was agreeing with T'Les and sharing what I thought. I don't really give a shit about what you think or care if you disagree, and have no interest in convincing you. Plenty of people within this thread have expressed the same opinion as me; I am speaking to them. Bye weak troll.
Skrain DuThot - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 13:51:49 EST ID:V5NqeO2L No.64825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I did respond, I said you were completely wrong.
Also, I'm upset that you don't care about my opinion, it makes me very sad. I would've thought that everyone on t6he internet -and at least on this board- cared about my opinion on an argument about a television show from 2 decades ago.
Dr. Leah Brahms - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:59:49 EST ID:bsMTOC3z No.64826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Holy shit you faggots can we go back to Trek plz
Gun Runner Sakonna - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 18:59:58 EST ID:Y8zyAoCZ No.64827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The trajectory of this thread has been downright bizarre.
Guinan - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:42:22 EST ID:GwChYndC No.64828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>*switches from setting one to setting nine*
Sarek - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:00:36 EST ID:bbZcChIZ No.64839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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We should ensure we've brought sufficient firepower to bear.
>brings the photonic cannon on line
Skrain DuThot - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:03:14 EST ID:V5NqeO2L No.64841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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g u i n a n p l s n o
Nick Locarno - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:13:23 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.64844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Guinan - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:14:04 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.64845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Nick Locarno - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:15:59 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.64846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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where's the captain? ugh cap'n i dont feel so gud
Nick Locarno - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:19:38 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.64847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Kozak - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:58:32 EST ID:+IopAQD/ No.64848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ensign Wright - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:24:56 EST ID:rCnIa6Ce No.64882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Guinan should be a mod. That phaser could solve a lot of problems.
Kimara Cretak - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 00:04:53 EST ID:7laFE9AV No.64884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Have I got a surprise for you.
Seska - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 00:45:15 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuck, is Guinan going to be a mod? That would be amazing. I couldn't think of a better person and I've been here since the board was created.

They should also retire the name from the auto-gen name field.

Much love, Guinan. For real.
Robin Lefler - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 02:49:10 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.64886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Someone should make a petition for it on /420/

Not sure how well it would work though because the site admins only recruit mods who hang out in irc a lot and that they know well. But maybe still worth a shot. Guinan would probably be the most worthy mod the site has ever gotten, even if the authority was only over /1701/
DaiMon Nunk - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 09:08:03 EST ID:bsMTOC3z No.64887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Does /1701/ even have a single dedicated mod? I haven't seen Therm0 post anywhere in a long fucking time
Thankfully the /tinfoil/ raid was shortlived and quickly squashed
Maybe the Federation don't need no mods, just a clever, quirky, bartender to keep the peace
Worf - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 22:35:13 EST ID:VgH3vRSA No.64895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dont know nearly as much about Trek as most of you guys but I kind of disagree about DS9 not wrapping back around to Roddenberry's vision. To me its just very low key. Its the Ferengi's arc that brings it back around, but the last few episodes dont revolve around that. You get all the morally righteous people from the beginning of the show and the scummy thieves and holo brothel keepers kind of swapping places a little come the end of the show. Only Quark holds true to his nature. Rom goes from being willing to murder his own brother just for a bar to being one of the best engies around to happy and fulfilled and leading his people to a more moral way of life, all while defending the morals with quick succulent explanation to Quark when he's bitching about workers rights and stuff. Not to mention the mines keeping the Dominion out of the fight for a long fucking time, all with a quickly slapped together idea that was distracting him about his new worries about being a responsible husband(from a culture that wants they ladies to stay nude).
Nog goes from being a little shit thief to being one of the heros of the Alpha quadrant, joining star fleet, growing a huge fucking sense of duty and even being more moral than Captain Sisko's own son in the end.

I also love how all of Rom'm best ideas come when he's distracted by more personal matters. He never has the confidence to speak his great plans but when he's worrying about other shit he forgets his timidness and just speaks his mind.
Marla Gilmore - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 18:41:10 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love the Ferengi arc in DS9, but I don't know if they intended the fate of the Ferengi characters to be a moral commentary on what happened in the Dominion war. Sure, they make specific comments about human nature 'jeez these ancient hoo-mons are even stupider than I though!' 'see those vials around his neck? those are from jem'hadar that he killed' etc. but if they intended the Ferengi as a way of bringing back around the state of normalcy, it's way too understated.
Guinan - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:08:04 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.64910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You guys are really sweet. I just didn't know how to respond, so I kept all silent and bashful.. but the truth is I have a hacking tool that lets me delete the computer's record of replicator credits, so you best believe you're all getting free shit for the next standard month that won't count towards your replicator rations

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