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RED ALERT by Guinan - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:45:24 EST ID:2tDXGqS3 No.64959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Something is happening guys.. There's something happening to the timeline, I feel it...

Picard.. Picard.. is... RETURNING?????

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/06/19/patrick-stewart-picard-star-trek-reboot/
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/news/a859842/star-trek-patrick-stewart-returning-new-series-picard/


This is.. weird.. is.. is it finally happening? Are we getting post nemesis trek? DID CBS FINALLY GIVE US WHAT WE WANT!?

AHHHHHHHH


HELP ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO FEEL SOMEONE ELSE WATCH THE BAR
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Q - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:29:11 EST ID:c6bxiBdv No.64960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64959
>Kurtzman

Well here's hoping anyway. I'm not holding my breath, but somebody wrap Patrick Stewart in bubble wrap just in case.
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Kirayoshi O'Brien - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:01:46 EST ID:c6bxiBdv No.64961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh, and nobody tell Guinan I was here.
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Kirayoshi O'Brien - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:02:46 EST ID:c6bxiBdv No.64962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64961

Aw, what the fuck, rng? nb
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Guinan - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 01:53:02 EST ID:Qt84JEDI No.64963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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*despite the incursion of Q, ten forward is empty and silent*
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Michael Eddington - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 18:06:36 EST ID:LR7o98eu No.64966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>4 more Star trek series supposedly in the works

I'm worried
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Jack - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 18:48:29 EST ID:jmSOtBOw No.64968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64959
Between JJTrek and Disco, I just can't get excited about new Trek projects anymore. Especially not when they're coming out of the same house. Trek was always more than the sum of its parts, but paradoxically that means it has gradually lost its magic as more of those parts were replaced.

I know it's a bit of a tired point to go on about The Orville, but the reason a lot of people see it as a successor to Trek is probably because it has a lot of people with Trek experience, and obviously Trek passion, working on it. Meanwhile official Trek tells us to get enthused about single people returning for a bit, or even about the possibility of Tarantino doing a movie. Christ, I don't even like Tarantino's recent work in the genre and style he's often cited as being a master of.

I've got Trek hopefulness fatigue. The old shows are still there. I watch them sometimes. And I'll be very damn impressed if anything ever comes close to them. But I'll see it when it happens.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 23:27:18 EST ID:dfep+Fqt No.64973 Report Quick Reply
>>64966
CBS gonna milk Star Trek drier than Disney has with Star Wars.
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Private W Woods - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 23:48:35 EST ID:yBczazba No.64974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64968
Yeah. Get Kurtzman and Orci the fuck away from this shit. Just make what Bryan Fuller tells you to make even if it's going to be bad.

It's not gonna be as bad as mishmash trash.

Maybe Discovery will surprise deliver on the season anthology rumor. I'd gain so much respect back for it. All of that Enterprise fan service cliffhanger bait couldn't possibly pay off better than teasing Spock and Pike before fucking off to an unrelated post-TNG storyline.
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Leeta - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:01:25 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.64977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64973
lol, the mouse is about to take that cow around back and put her down
they've shitcanned the spinoffs and don't hold your breath about anything after XI and the theme parks
anything Star Wars that doesn't already have tangible assets dumped into it is dead
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Kira Taban - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 16:21:36 EST ID:QhRv4U/y No.64980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd still rather see Picard in the Tarantino film. His stated admiration of City on the Edge of Forever and penchant for nonlinear storytelling could make for a good time travel story that makes sense of various timelines.

I won't complain if they make more Trek shows, though. It just increases the odds that one hits the mark and captures the true spirit of Star Trek.
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Kolo - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:51:46 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64980
Ugh no. Please lets keep our good bad new Trek separate from our bad bad new Trek. I can think of a lot of directors who could handle the complexity of an amazing Trek time travel story with Stewart as their lead, but QT doesn't come to mind.

How about say Guillermo del Toro or Darren Aronofsky? Both are popular cutting edge 'mind bending' directors who have made sci-fi films of their own volition. They could be great with it and have to be nerdy enough to at least have Trek on their radar. Or imagine a Gilliam or Jodorowsky Trek? Get our proper time-bendy TMP 2001: A Trek Odyssey that will really blow our minds, maaaan.

Hides in jefferies tube for the inevitable nerdsplosion of saying something mildly negative about Tarantino and/or having the gall to mention Gilliam and/or Jodorowsky
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Latha Mabrin - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:55:10 EST ID:KWZnYW5R No.64982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64980

After the reports of Stewart wanting to work with QT I was cautiously optimistic about that, but of course it turned into a Kurtzman-run show with Picard instead.

I'll stick with reruns.
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Natasha Yar - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:03:08 EST ID:gCqAtQS2 No.64984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64980
that'd be too simple, let's have 5 new shows, a Tarantino movie, and god knows what else instead. the timeline and values are already wounded might as well bludgeon them to death.
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Natasha Yar - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:20:14 EST ID:gCqAtQS2 No.64987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64981
yeah just as soon as paramount hires one of them and orders a script we'll throw a fucking parade. tarantino has the conn and he's a lot more likely to get the ship home than kurtzman.
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Karr - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 22:31:27 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.64990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.tor.com/2018/06/19/star-trek-tng-return-alex-kurtzman/?utm_source=exacttarget&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_term=tordotcom-tordotcomnewsletter&utm_content=na-readblog-blogpost&utm_campaign=tor

>According to Variety, Kurtzman (who was recently tapped to showrun Star Trek: Discovery after the current showrunners departed following claims of abusive behavior towards their writing staff) has been signed into a five-year contract with the goal of developing new Trek content for television. These shows may be mini-series, animated, you name it. Here are the projects reportedly being tossed around at this moment:

>A series set at Starfleet Academy from the creators of Marvel’s Runaways, currently airing on Hulu.

>A limited series with plot details yet to be released. This is rumored to be a Star Trek: The Next Generation reunion, as Variety reports that Kurtzman is also trying to woo back Patrick Stewart to reprise his role as Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

>An animated series, also with plot details yet to be released.

>Another limited series based around Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. It is unclear if that means the character of Khan himself, or something related to what happened in the TOS film.


https://theportalist.com/star-trek-cbs-expansion?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The%20Portalist%20Weekly%20Thursday%20Newsletter%202018-06-21&utm_term=The%20Alt

>Kurtzmam may also oversee a five-year project that will yield multiple new Star Trek projects. Those projects are rumored to include a new live-action TV series, two limited series, and a potential animated series.
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Guinan - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 02:36:16 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.64991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64990
This sounds so exciting if you just block out any memories involving the name Kurtzman.. I am cautiously optimistic, but it's like 10% waning optimism and 91% caution with a 3% margin of error
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Weyoun 5 - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:34:23 EST ID:djjT86rU No.64992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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KURTZMAAAAAAN!
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Ensign Robin Lefler - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:32:54 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.64993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64991
>Kurtzmaaaan
I mean, not everything he has done has been bad. Remember, there was a time when even old school Trekkies saw ST 2009 in a semi-favorable light, as a return to the 'Wrath of Khan' era of Trek movie style. It was really Into Darkness that killed the jjshit franchise, and a lot of that had to do with JJ's bullshit misdirection about who the villain was (and the fact that the story was really dumb.) But, Kurtzman has been attached to moderately decent projects as a writer/producer. Remember 'The Island' with Ewan McGregor? How about 'Cowboys & Aliens'? Sure, neither were great, but they weren't *awful.*

If you put Patrick Stewart in front of the screen as Picard along with the rest of the cast, there's pretty much no way to mess it up. Those actors have such a deep connection and understanding of their characters and material that they would prevent it going off the deep end. That's precisely Discovery's problem -- not that there weren't people who could tell them no, but that they threw all those people out. The cast itself would be a moderating force in the revival, much as they were a check on Berman's madness in the later TNG years.
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William T Riker - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 01:35:54 EST ID:3a3TqNtF No.65000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>64993
>Damnation by Faint Praise: The Post

TNG had more than its share of bad episodes that the cast alone did not and could not save. I'm not so desperate for the characters that I want to see what a shitty writer does with them. I've seen it with the original characters. Kurtzman is not the man for this material. His work is shallow, can lack narrative cohesion, and, in Trek's case, disregards canon with alarming ease.

Fans dimwittedly thinking that getting Stewart and other actors on board is enough is why CBS and Kurtzman are doing this. Discovery cost them a bunch of Trekkies and to lure them back they're dangling Picard and Wrath of Khan out there. I'll wait for details before I approach any of this with anything but skepticism.

Handing this man The Next Generation is akin to giving Ghostbusters to Paul Feig or Star Wars to Rian Johnson. Millions people enjoyed those and will enjoy what comes of these Trek projects, but they're not for me. As with those other franchises, the originals will suffice if I'm nostalgic, and I can watch new, but unrelated shows and movies that better embody the spirit/humor/adventure of the classics.
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Kai Opaka - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 02:49:49 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What the fuck
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Stonn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 04:11:25 EST ID:L+duPeNw No.65042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65000
Just saw the story and came here to basically see my exact opinion expressed better than I ever could.
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Stonn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 04:11:25 EST ID:L+duPeNw No.65043 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65000
Just saw the story and came here to basically see my exact opinion expressed better than I ever could.
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Gregory Quinn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 17:31:56 EST ID:Qf2Tl6P1 No.65044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't get why they wouldn't give others a chance. I'm sure there are financial or contractual reasons, but ignorant of what they are I'm at a loss as to why they'd give the whole kit and kaboodle to Alex Kurtzman. Even if I was to give the guy every benefit of the doubt, I can't see anything in his filmography that indicates that he's so good or so profitable to make putting the chips all in on him a good idea.

And as >>65000 alluded to, the name dropping of Patrick Stewart and Wrath of Khan is very transparent. A bunch of us rejected their new thing so they're giving us what they think we want. It shows how trapped Star Trek is now, too. Prequels and constantly revisiting characters, eras, messages, and themes- sounds a lot like another sci-fi franchise that's suffering fan backlash if you ask me.

Star Trek was a show of the future. We loved the characters of course, but part of the joy of it and nostalgia about the TOS and TNG eras was that it was pushing forward. Flip phones and iPads. Colorblind race relations. A post-scarcity society. Classic Trek gave us something to aspire to. The characters were a gateway into the setting. I had my adventures with Khan and Picard, and welcomed Sisko and Janeway. Let's move on. Advance the ideals and tech with new characters in the farther flung future. I don't want a space opera that follows these characters cradle to grave. I want hope.
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Governor Torak - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:04:15 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65044
They may have burned their bridge with Berman on Discovery.
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Gregory Quinn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:36:53 EST ID:Qf2Tl6P1 No.65047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65046
I don't necessarily wish that he'd come back, although an influential hand from that staff being in charge of at least one of these productions would be reassuring to my nerdier self. There's no need for any retread though. Star Trek and its spin-offs influenced multiple generations of creators. Is there no one out there aside from Seth McFarlane who gets it and is qualified to run a show?

Popular opinion of Kurtzman's takes on Trek has turned. Even I was deluded into liking Star Trek '09. And while it is the best Star Wars movie this century has seen, it's not right. None of this feels right for Star Trek, and while I'm no Guinan, I can definitely feel that things went off the rails somewhere and need to be fixed before the mistake is compounded.

When I say, "I want hope," I mean hope like Whoopi Goldberg got when she saw Nichelle Nichols and got the inspiration to go on to win an Oscar, Emmy, Grammy, and Tony. I want action and laughs and special effects, of course. That's a given. What set Trek apart was the intelligence and optimism. Mike in one of the Redlettermedia reviews of Discovery said it best about TNG's universe. To paraphrase: "I want to live there. I don't want to live in Discovery's universe." Alex Kurtzman's Trek doesn't make me think or leave me feeling anything aside from maybe visceral thrills. I can get that elsewhere. No amount of Picard or Khan will make up for the underlying and lasting appeal of Trek- showing us that we'll make it, and we'll do it right and just and with logic.
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Guinan - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:56:09 EST ID:GwChYndC No.65048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I fucking love you guys.. I really feel a lot of my fears and sentiments echoed in these posts, and I feel like as a whole, this board is pretty much on the same page about what's going on with trek
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Gregory Quinn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 19:31:15 EST ID:Qf2Tl6P1 No.65050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65048
Felt the same way about the thread and it's what made me want to post. The state of Trek legit depresses me. Probably would've kept my thoughts to myself if folks here were for this decision.

For the longest time being a Trekkie has felt like being Marty McFly watching his pictures change. The real world is getting shittier and our vision of the future is changing to match. I'd even wager that the amount of people who are mad about Klingon designs or even continuity is smaller than the amount who just want to look up at the stars and think there's more out there than more war.
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Guinan - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 16:44:40 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.65051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65050
The decline of sci-fi over the last few decades has really worried me. It's like, as a species, we stopped dreaming of the future in favor of vacuous and ephemeral appeasments to our egos in the form of social media. Every future that we dream up is now a horrific nightmare. And you have summed that up in way, specific to trek, that really hits home.
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Ambassador Thoris - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:22:21 EST ID:2AD8DySp No.65052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
any update on these rumors? any solid facts? is picard doing one last trek? i dont want to be alive when patrick stewart passes this realm
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Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:30:35 EST ID:4FXNCdKo No.65053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65051
It's the slow sinking in of the reality that we'll have a very hard time escaping this worldly shit.

Like we all thought the internet was gonna revolutionize discourse and lead to a new enlightenment.
What did we actually get? More distractions, more problems, more cynical opportunism.
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Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:49:24 EST ID:sHLLgdpt No.65054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65052
I think the only facts are that multiple Star Trek series/miniseries are being explored and Alex Kurtzman is in charge.

Gloom and doom about that aside, I'm also most interested in the potential of a Picard show. He's my captain, and Patrick Stewart is still a force of nature as an actor. Logan had me daydreaming about what could've been with Mirror Picard, and I'd hoped that he'd get his wish and be in the next movie. Don't really care about the other projects. Most probably won't happen, but I'm hopeful the producer will be hands off and let writers and directors with something interesting to say will steer the Picard show should it come to fruition.
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Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:53:54 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65057 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65053
yeah but it's way easier to watch old episodes of star trek
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Azan - Fri, 29 Jun 2018 19:45:58 EST ID:WX8nIPVS No.65060 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65057
It's kinda difficult to find good episodes of Voyager though. Which sucks because I fucking love Janeway, Tuvok and the doctor.
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Elizabeth Cutler - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 00:41:26 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.65062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65060
>I fucking love Janeway
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Lt. Daniels - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 16:56:03 EST ID:NM+TsjIB No.65070 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Benny Russell - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 20:29:00 EST ID:QM3dFhLK No.65075 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65060
Janeway would benefit from a miniseries. It could examine some of her more controversial decisions the same way the TOS movies got Kirk to reexamine some of the ones he made during his first stint on the Enterprise. I get that Picard will get more views, but the mythos would benefit more if they explored her impact on the galaxy.
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Nava - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 20:49:21 EST ID:NmJ0Aupw No.65076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65075
Fans be outraged by swearing in Discovery, meanwhile that line was actually from a Janeway deleted scene.
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Benny Russell - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 21:18:20 EST ID:QM3dFhLK No.65077 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65076
Were people outraged? Honestly hadn't heard/read anything to that effect. And it would have to be a deleted scene if Janeway said it, Voyager being on UPN and all. Sounds funny, got a link to a video of it?
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B'Elanna Torres - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 22:16:28 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.65078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65077
Yes, I guess you weren't here as it was airing.
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Nava - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 22:51:00 EST ID:NmJ0Aupw No.65079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65077
It was polarizing. I really liked it.
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Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:35:23 EST ID:jmSOtBOw No.65080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65051
It seems like a decline of creativity in general. It's kind of like with aircraft design, if you'll humor the tortured comparison. When aircraft were new, you saw shitloads of different configurations. But pretty quickly, people decided on a standard. The way an aircraft is supposed to look like. And today, it seems people have a very rigid idea of what something is supposed to look like in fiction. There's less room for trial and error, for up and coming garage codgers to try whatever new idea they have. There are people with big corporations who have the money and influence.

An example would be a comedy show that's little know outside my country. It's ostensibly about a lower class family that's moved into an upper class neighborhood through touchy-feely socialist policy, never mending their criminal, lower class ways. But some of its episodes would stray straight into science fiction or magical realism, with the characters switching bodies or the dumbest of the lot becoming a prophet-like faith healer. You see a similar variance in the old Trek: They decide to do an episode that's a straight up James Bond spoof, or a courtroom drama. One of the most well-received Trek movies was a straight up comedy.

I'm not seeing stuff like that anymore. Every modern series seems very set in its tracks. I watch something like The Americans, and you'd think there's some good material for a joke, there. Even a single one. But it never happens. I read The Sirens of Titan recently, and I'm wondering whether something like that would be accepted these days. Or someone like Philip K. Dick, for that matter. His work is universally dark and comedic. But has any recreation of his work with the exception of A Scanner Darkly ever done justice to that typical way of writing?

Plainly put, Star Trek couldn't be made today. Neither a wildly novel concept like TOS, turning science fiction on its head, nor (paradoxically) something like TNG, building forth on an older concept. It seems nothing can really stray too far from the "now", with all its dour implications. Criticism of fiction is full of whistle-words like "believable" and "realistic", none of which really mean anything in the context.

While I love the show itself, BSG is the archetypical example: A literal anti-Trek that consciously grounded itself in the "now" with its style, that was bleak and dark with deeply flawed characters, which never -ever- strayed from its base tone, and ultimately was completely focused on excitement and the promise of mysterious plot elements. And that's what people expect television to be like, now. Anything else is regarded the same way as Scaled Composites' unorthodox designs. Occasionally you get a rocket ship like Black Mirror that proves that the norm isn't always the best, but the drive for true experimentation seems gone.
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Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:39:37 EST ID:jmSOtBOw No.65081 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65079
See, I think this is a rather silly opinion that seems rather typical, these days.

DSC wasn't the first Trek to drop a serious swear word. DS9 was. But in DS9, it was part of a serious narrative where it didn't feel out of place, so no-one ever questioned it. In DSC, it was there because it was expected to be there. So it could be properly "modern". So people can say that anyone who saw it for what it was is an old fuddy-duddy with oldfashioned morals.

But no-one ever seems to recall that Jake (or rather, his alter ego) straight up dropped "jolly african-americans". A word considered so offensive even this board filters it.
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Benny Russell - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:47:15 EST ID:QM3dFhLK No.65082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65078
Ah, it was polarizing on here.
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Sarpek the Fearless - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 11:56:57 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65080
>Neither a wildly novel concept like TOS, turning science fiction on its head
wat
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Corporal R Ryan - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:03:07 EST ID:jmSOtBOw No.65085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65084
dat
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Kiaphet Amman'sor - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 16:40:09 EST ID:/Gs0AEjp No.65086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65051
>>65080
The internet killed creativity. Humans use imagination to fill in the gaps of time and understanding. Now we just hook up to the intertubes when lonely or seeking answers. We've become the Borg.
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Data - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:39:09 EST ID:M4E2yUgx No.65087 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65086
I don't think this is entirely true though. You guys sound like old farts. The internet has enabled a lot of creativity. It's enabled a lot of rubbish too but I don't believe this for a minute. Musical movements and scenes occur and propagate in weeks rather than years. I think some things have suffered immensely but other areas have become massively richer for the internet. As you would expect.

Personally the internet has allowed me to find a broader range of influences so I bring more to the table when I jam with my friends. Its made flops into cult successes. It has lowered the barrier to entry. It enables anyone who actually wants to make an effort in whatever they wish to achieve or learn. 3D printers are still a new thing and some people have mastered them. Remember when people would use raspberry pis do simple shit? Over engineering them was fun, people made stuff and learned stuff and got a giggle. The internet did that.

Most people have always been passive consumers. People still watch shit "reality" TV and binge drink and so on. Now if you want to passively consume the internet enables that too.

Then again the first collective work of humanity outside military and academic circles over the internet was swap.avi. We're not the borg. We're the fucking Kazons.
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Kiaphet Amman'sor - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 18:58:27 EST ID:/Gs0AEjp No.65088 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65087
Everything positive you described aboutt the internet is just recycling old ideas. Have you used any of those musical influences to create an entirely new genre with solid, defining attributes? Or does it just enable you to noodle for longer without repeating yourself? Donnie Darko and Bladerunner are awesome, but the former spawned an absolute turd of a sequal while the latter was already a derivative work. I could 3d print a dildo to attach to my fuck-bot that's controlled by a Raspberry Pi. That would be neat. Not original, but neat.

All of this is ignoring the original discussion that prompted my comparison to the Borg: popular media is becoming increasingly dark and pessimistic. When given the ability to share knowledge instantaneouslty, what did the Borg do? Go on a galaxy-wide crusade to suck up every little bit of originality until nothing is left but homogenous sludge. What have humans done when given the internet? Gone on a planet-wide crusade to find every original idea, monetize the shit out of it, and package it into corporate sludge for the passive consumer. Both are destructive, self-defeating mechanisms enabled by advances in communication technology. We can see the writing on the wall, and it's turning our imaginations into nightmares.

Maybe life was meant to be alone sometimes.
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Thomas Riker - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:24:06 EST ID:M4E2yUgx No.65091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65088
Nothing is original everything is an idea someone else had and you just rejigged it in a way that actually worked, even if it's never been seen before. Either the sludge was inevitable or you're wrong.

Everything we do is just rejigging existing configurations and it's the effect of the end result that matters. Maybe you took 3 pre existing genres but did you breach a new territory or push somewhere new? Some did. You said humans used imagination to fill in gaps of time and understanding, not they invented whole new ideas and that's moving the goalpost quite a lot. People have been telling the same stories, passing the same musical ideas and styles and adjusting the same inventions for as long as we've had culture.
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Guinan - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:39:46 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.65093 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bad news guys..
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Dr. Denara Pel - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:07:54 EST ID:/Gs0AEjp No.65094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65091
You seem fixated on the music analogy, so consider this: if everything is a remix, where did the first caveman to bang 2 rocks together rhythmically get their inspiration? What idea was rejigged when someone stretched strings across a tortise shell to create the first lyre? Who was Elisha Gray copying when he created the first electromechanical oscillator? The answer to all of these is they were accidents. Beautiful, wonderful accidents born out of time and pure imagination.

Incremental creativity has its place and the internet has done a lot to improve the speed at which things happen, but at what cost? You don't even believe in the concept of originality. I'd say that attitude is a pretty big loss for humanity.

To steer things back on topic, I wanna see grim-dark Picard smoking blunts on the bridge as he blasts some commie bastard Borg out of the sky. That would be cool.
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G'Quan - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:08:49 EST ID:DStF7Vev No.65096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65093
With the news about Kuntzman and that several series are being considered including one with Picard I pretty much figured the Tarantino flick wouldn't have Picard or be post-Nemesis like we speculated when we first heard the news about Tarantino.
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Thomas Riker - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:21:50 EST ID:M4E2yUgx No.65097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65094
Birds did music before us. Rhythmic displays predate humanity and even insects do them music isn't even an original idea, it actually predates culture. I imagine before someone made the lyre someone else dreamed it up but couldn't make it work, somone plucked strings or yelled into a box and someone just combined the two ideas, I can't know but it makes more sense that at least one of those happened and the creator thought "if I add this" then they just suddenly had this idea, focusing sound is a natural phenomenon too. I suspect all those ideas failed before too. Some were existing ideas and concepts retooled. How did these accidents happen? Most of them used an existing structure differently.

I don't believe originality is important. Actually I really do believe in originality but I think if you're pretty much just drawing an arbitrary line between original and not original. I think what's important is we break new ground and push ourselves. That doesn't always mean being original as a culture but sometimes just within our own lives. The internet does encourage stagnation in some for sure, it's a double edged sword but you declared it to be the death of creativity in absolute terms based on some very ropey arbitrary lines.

I do agree that the internet absolutely has come at a cost, the same way the borg is a dark mirror of the federation, going too far and not knowing when to stop. The borg are not entirely unlike the feds, that's always been the design, they just took a dark turn. They just take it a bit further. The federation absorbs other species and makes them follow certain rules and give up things. Its not the connectivity and absorption that makes them bad, it's that they take it too far, negate everything in the process, its that they destroy.
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Herbert Rossoff - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:20:31 EST ID:N42fbkkV No.65098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65093
Who did you expect?
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Vedek Bareil - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:27:37 EST ID:/Gs0AEjp No.65099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wCgpdeQWZA&t=913s

Watch this and take careful note of the difference in attitude between the two physicists they interview. Who do you believe?
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Vedek Bareil - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:33:10 EST ID:/Gs0AEjp No.65100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65099
Damn youtube links starting at random ass places. Here's one that starts at the beginning for those too lazy to rewind.

https://youtu.be/2wCgpdeQWZA
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Hoshi Sato - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 03:15:46 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65100

I'm pretty sure it starts it at wherever you were when you copied the link
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Guinan - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 12:47:53 EST ID:4rdeB8OC No.65103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65098
There were rumors floating around it might involve the TNG cast
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Trentin Fala - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 13:44:54 EST ID:yZmAvBtA No.65104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65103
Well that's a dumb rumor. The cast was on board before QT. Plus it doesn't make sense that JJ would even consider jettisoning his cast and universe and to make a movie with a different cast in a different universe without there being anything to bridge the two.
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Guinan - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:56:57 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.65117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65104
Good point. Wishful thinking I guess.
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Lt. Maxwell Burke - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 13:49:12 EST ID:jmSOtBOw No.65123 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65093
I keep seeing people saying I should trust this edgelord with Trek. But what we've gotten has been shit stacked on top of shit, only liked by people who were never all that much into Trek in the first place, or not at all.

I don't even like his work after Kill Bill. I don't even think Tarantino is good anymore at the stuff he invented. I'm not sure if he ever was, but the fact that he was still relatively underground made him tone down some of the stuff he clearly wanted to do. Like all the foot shit.

Christ, does this mean we're getting foot shit in Trek? Couldn't this hydrocephalic gore hound have had a better fetish? Or literally any other fetish? I mean, if he's into mainstream accepted stuff, like BDSM, you just get something that doesn't stand out too much. A woman in skintight leather with a whip saying some mean stuff? Doesn't sound different from what real Kirk used to deal with. If he's into disgusting shit like scat or guro, it's just never going to make it into the movie. And if he's into out there stuff like furry or vore, we either get our original Caitian designs back instead of Into Darkness' safe garbage, or you just get a space monster swallowing someone. You'd never even notice it.

But no, it had to be feet. The technically worksafe fetish, so you can just parrot that as you segue into pornography for five minutes. Just make a porn film, Tarantino. You'll feel better. It's not like you've got a reputation to protect or anything.
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B'Elanna Torres - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 14:30:29 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65123
>or you just get a space monster swallowing someone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5twP_19CEA
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Naomi Wildman - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 16:36:43 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65123
Thank you kind anon for speaking the truth about Tarantino that few dare speak.
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Kang - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:52:08 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.65168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65123
I thought about you when I watched Jackie Brown last night and the camera rested for like 10 seconds on the bare feet of that blonde girl for absolutely no reason.
nb
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Grilka - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:06:55 EST ID:EJqFm2LN No.65251 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>64981
>>Darren Aronofsky
Sorry this is kinda a personal rant but... thats the guy who made that movie Pi right? That pretentious halfwit doesn't even understand circles and your gama let him rant about tachyons for 90-120 minutes?

I could think of no worse person to make a star trek movie. I usallyike QT movies but also IDK if he is smart enough to make good sci fi. Del Torro probably could though, but idk.
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Dr. Mora Pol - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:16:32 EST ID:2AD8DySp No.65252 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65251

why do you take issue with pi? i thought it was a good movie
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Molly O'Brien - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:45:35 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65251
Clearly you've never seen his other work and/or it went over your head. The Fountain was the film that I was thinking qualified him for Trek, as it is sci-fi but doesn't get caught up on science, focusing on using it as a metaphor for the hero's journey. Black Swan is eminently plot driven and includes no rambling about tachyons, so it's clear that he has a broad range as a director.

Anyway, so you're saying Trek is more appropriately about gallons of blood and endless swearing gunfights than contemplative ponderings about the nature of the universe and our place in it? I think you're looking for Star Wars bud.
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Talok - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 20:23:35 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65253
>Black Swan
oh okay
so here's an idea for a star trek he could do
what if a crewman falls into a cursed spring and turns into a girl
or what about a crewman who's father builds a giant robot and then he has to pilot the robot
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Boq'ta - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 23:27:53 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65258
I don't know what you're talking about anymore. I was suggesting movies that displayed his range, in counter to Grilka suggesting 'Pi' was the only type of movie he could do. I don't think anyone is suggesting that directors can only make Trek movies based on stories they have already made movies of...
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Weyoun 5 - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 03:37:35 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65253
The Fountain sucked and didn't go over anyones head
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Charles Tucker III - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 06:17:01 EST ID:hFH53wxi No.65265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65253
We've already had this discussion. Peter Jackson did slasher films before the hobbit. good. Done.


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