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Why is this crazy faggot still a mod? by Polly Turveyham - Sun, 07 May 2017 00:28:20 EST ID:VSt69gkH No.236530 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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On /pol/ I got banned for posting a video that compares communist record to the nazi record. It doesn't advocate for either and just asks the pertinent question why is Nazism seen as so much worse than Communism by the general public and in academic settings?

But no that's not allowed on this guys personal board where he gets to RP as commie dictator.

Oh and notice the full hardon chan wide permaban.
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Polly Turveyham - Sun, 07 May 2017 00:33:53 EST ID:VSt69gkH No.236533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
video in question (he didn't watch it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUGkKKAogDs
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Henry Higglechock - Sun, 07 May 2017 00:34:18 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hes a huge faggot and everyone knows he has absolutely zero business being a mod but now youre just evading and not helping your situation. take it to IRC. apparently lots of his bans do get reversed.
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Reuben Femblebury - Sun, 07 May 2017 02:10:54 EST ID:DUsGXAAG No.236539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236530
You know, you could always try going back to stormfront, right?
You'll be safe from Spunky there
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Eliza Docklewell - Sun, 07 May 2017 09:15:22 EST ID:K93m2UTw No.236542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think Spunky is a tool as much as the next guy, but in his defense /pol/ is a shithole. After so many Totally Real™ infographics and posts that contain nothing but a youtube link which goes to some guy who buys filters from Alex Jones and has a storeroom full of bullets and MREs for the coming apocalypse, anything that looks like a nail gets the hammer, you dig? Also the "university" that did your video is just a propaganda machine, that probably had something to do with why he banned you.

But for real though Commies can get fucked, they're just as bad as Nazis.
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Charles Pockspear - Sun, 07 May 2017 10:18:04 EST ID:43K8zDVC No.236543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236530
WAAHH WAHH WHY CANT I BE A RACIST PRICK WAAAHH
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Jack Febberstock - Sun, 07 May 2017 10:26:55 EST ID:LzDWHHsk No.236544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236543
haha retard
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Polly Brirryhit - Sun, 07 May 2017 11:43:39 EST ID:dhH/JAcc No.236548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236530
This wouldn't be a problem if you didn't intentionally go to websites where you're not wanted.

Maybe try going back.
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Eugene Dinnerfuck - Sun, 07 May 2017 15:15:39 EST ID:7gIDamCZ No.236553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Posting a thread consisting solely of a youtube link about some controversial shit is a good way to make yourself appear like a baiting faggot straight outta 4chon or cripplechan.

I don't even care if you're a fullblown national socialist, but if you're just on /pol/ to shitpost bait or post smug one-liners a la "oy vey :^)" like a total cunt, then I'm glad Spunky bans you.
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Edward Cacklefield - Sun, 07 May 2017 15:18:47 EST ID:vNF3cgtU No.236554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236548
unwanted immigrants who make no effort to adopt the local culture complaining about immigrants

p.s. OP ignored & thread hidden
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Nell Dambleshit - Sun, 07 May 2017 18:56:08 EST ID:NI1cB3ZQ No.236559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
good riddance. fuck off back to 4shit /pol/ where your baiting is expected.
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Archie Fanford - Mon, 08 May 2017 07:51:09 EST ID:W0ii/Xtc No.236571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236559
I know the exact video you mean OP i saw it just a few days ago.
It is propaganda just not in the way people might think.
That channel is run by a conservative jewish media mogul and he's not denying the holocaust but using it to shit on communism.

Also all of these "go back to" posts go back to the thread about people who just shout "go back to X" when they disagree. It really shows how cancerous and noncontributing it is.

This isn't your personal echo chamber fags.
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Cornelius Blackson - Mon, 08 May 2017 09:08:10 EST ID:Ywx6qQ1w No.236573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dude, not everyone here is autistic, we can tell when you nazi fucks are trying to be subtle. Fuck off already.
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Beatrice Pickworth - Mon, 08 May 2017 11:30:43 EST ID:OVQaEdvV No.236574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236559
>>236539
>>236543
>>236548
>>236554
you guys are faggets
>>236559
>>236573
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Archie Fanford - Mon, 08 May 2017 15:31:56 EST ID:W0ii/Xtc No.236581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236573
Once again, the video in question is by a jewish media mogul (Dennis Prager). It's a pro-semitic neoconservative propaganda channel. It's anything but "nazi" , "stormfront" , or any of the other mindless buzzwords you guys love to shout like meme spouting parrots.
It's not holocaust apologetic, it's using the holocaust card to shit on communism.
If the goal is to look so pants on head retarded that everyone who calls for "gb2 the future, stormfront, etc." loses credibility then you're on the right path.

If you're serious, then perhaps rethink your knee jerk reactive namecalling.
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Priscilla Blatherwill - Mon, 08 May 2017 20:24:03 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236573

self-righteous mind readers everywhere.
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Fucking Fuckingforth - Mon, 08 May 2017 20:33:57 EST ID:Ywx6qQ1w No.236589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236581
>go out of your way to label someone Jewish
"hey guys, I'm actually the opposite of nazis"
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Priscilla Blatherwill - Mon, 08 May 2017 20:56:08 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236589

youre pathetic. absolutely incapable of arguing honestly, no substance just buzzwords. and that cartoon is backwards since "anti" fascists get their asses beat and chased off by "nazis" every time they have the balls to go outside with their costumes. turns out people dont like being scapegoated and attacked by communist dweebs.
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Matilda Crubberman - Mon, 08 May 2017 21:29:37 EST ID:dhH/JAcc No.236591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236590
>dweebs
This post comes across like someone trying to live up to his nerd dad by repeating his dinner table political opinions.
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Fuck Dorringfoot - Tue, 09 May 2017 00:03:37 EST ID:Jwij5ozF No.236592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's doing alright actually, and giving some well deserved bans. Sure, he has a bad rep. But he's been fairly lax.
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Fucking Fuckingforth - Tue, 09 May 2017 00:04:26 EST ID:Ywx6qQ1w No.236593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236590
Bye bye kkk you're not welcome here.
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Ian Crabblelore - Tue, 09 May 2017 00:08:38 EST ID:p0OqSKhi No.236594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236590

Nazis always get so bent out of shape when they get called Nazis. Embrace it, man. You are what you are, a gigantic faggot, so just move on instead of getting mad whenever someone notices what a gigantic faggot you are.
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Priscilla Blatherwill - Tue, 09 May 2017 00:32:34 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236594

cool catch 22 faggot.
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Nell Clammerlark - Tue, 09 May 2017 01:16:44 EST ID:pk1lhlAu No.236598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236530
Welp, I think I know what this thread needs.




>FULL COMMUNISM

ALL HAIL SPUNKY
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Jack Clankinditch - Tue, 09 May 2017 01:43:21 EST ID:tU7Y6xBi No.236601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236589
Its relevant because people are arguing that the video is "nazi"
Are you guys even trying anymore?
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Jack Clankinditch - Tue, 09 May 2017 01:46:01 EST ID:tU7Y6xBi No.236602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236593
Donald trump kkk
Racist
Sexist
Antigay
Donald trump kkk
Racist
Sexist
Antigay
Donald trump kkk
Racist
Sexist
Antigay
Donald trump kkk
Racist
Sexist
Antigay

Jesus what a shit show everyone has lost their minds.
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Priscilla Blatherwill - Tue, 09 May 2017 01:49:25 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236598
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Oliver Lightfuck - Tue, 09 May 2017 02:06:56 EST ID:IvHnu//k No.236607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
cry harder, bitch
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Lillian Bomblefield - Tue, 09 May 2017 13:42:06 EST ID:DD3ZFWzn No.236618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lmao I knew that was Spunky before I opened the screencap

uh dontchu know he fights for womens rights and sucks Spardot's cock better than any other submissive little slut on staff?
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Thomas Clommlestit - Tue, 09 May 2017 17:26:38 EST ID:4WbBmFSv No.236627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236622

Like, there's already at least two chans where posting retarded flamebait is actively encouraged. You'd think that would be enough.
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Phoebe Hammerdotch - Tue, 09 May 2017 17:49:23 EST ID:SwiJsfz4 No.236628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh it's the weekly spunky-hate thread.

Good, I need the salt for my popcorn.
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Thomas Fullyham - Thu, 11 May 2017 01:01:48 EST ID:pk1lhlAu No.236681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Spunky could get like 20 bans if he went to /pol/ right now and took care of the crackhead posting 200 screencaps of jews on social media.
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Frederick Gangerkene - Thu, 11 May 2017 01:23:52 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236681

jews are a protected species that are exempt from criticism.
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Doris Greenshaw - Thu, 11 May 2017 03:51:52 EST ID:dhH/JAcc No.236685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236682
Sorry schizo looks like you'll have to publish your manifesto somewhere else.
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Hugh Murdwater - Thu, 11 May 2017 04:50:03 EST ID:l5VDwcyQ No.236686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236682
>waahh Jews can hate but can't be hated it's not fair, I wanna be a hateful prick with no consequences
Go back to stormfront for that
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Frederick Gangerkene - Thu, 11 May 2017 05:00:25 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236686

thanks for proving my point.
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Hugh Murdwater - Thu, 11 May 2017 06:14:40 EST ID:l5VDwcyQ No.236689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236687
>Jews can hate without being hated, it's not fair
>Jews have all the money and influence, it's not fair
>Jews don't get blamed for WWII but Nazis do, its not fair
I knew it....Nazis are the jelliest, most butthurt fuckois on the internet
Thanks for proving my point.
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Cornelius Clommleback - Thu, 11 May 2017 10:03:53 EST ID:IIBrQcOm No.236693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236682
barely. sections of the sjw crowd rag on them all the time for palestine. every single jew is culpable for israel's government fucking with palestine just like every white guy is responsible for british imperialism and slavery in america. though they'll go back around and call people anti-semitic when it's convenient and sometimes there's debates on whether their "privilege" is made up for by the discrimination they've faced in damn near every century, and whether their ability to pass as white matters.

as for right wing opinions of jews.... hooooo boy. I think we've all heard them before. everybody is a zionist or an interdimensional lizard banker apparently. of course then you have the weird right wing christians who want zionism because it has something to do with the end of times in the bible.

of course I'm mostly going by internet and college folk, normal people don't blame an entire race for all the world's problems.
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Cyril Tootgold - Thu, 11 May 2017 10:35:13 EST ID:7hJihqzw No.236694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236687
you've ironically proven everyone elses's point here... lol.
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Graham Chandlefat - Fri, 12 May 2017 20:37:53 EST ID:h2ZvpcAp No.236734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Put a loaded gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, Nazi
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Isabella Chorringspear - Fri, 12 May 2017 23:00:13 EST ID:p0OqSKhi No.236735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wait a minute, OP is clearly ban evading, why isn't this shit thread a party thread?
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Hamilton Durryhere - Fri, 12 May 2017 23:00:53 EST ID:dnVGEl8Q No.236736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Put a loaded Nazi in your gun and pull the gun, trigger
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Caroline Gammlefuck - Sat, 13 May 2017 09:54:27 EST ID:eDlgzPL3 No.236737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>this thread
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Samuel Billingham - Sat, 13 May 2017 10:05:45 EST ID:Bb6K/ZWw No.236738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's self-evident why you were hit with that ban when you write out a subject that is clearly advocating for nazi apologism, especially with the current state of political discussion on the internet. But we all know that you already knew all of this before posting you crazy online shit-stirrer you
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Lillian Barrynuck - Sat, 13 May 2017 10:25:53 EST ID:qasjfzFx No.236739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236737
Man i never understood that image. Did he just walk into a room and he's leaving it in the next panel or is he just staring left and right at posters?
What the fuck
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Cedric Niblingdedge - Sat, 13 May 2017 10:27:23 EST ID:OVQaEdvV No.236740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236738
>the current state of political discussion
yeah, currently seems like you get banned for certain opinions and told to go back to the future by nee jerking fagets
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Jarvis Sazzleman - Sat, 13 May 2017 11:13:48 EST ID:77PQTtYu No.236741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236740
>yeah, currently seems like you get banned for certain opinions and told to go back to the future
This seems a desirable state of affairs if those opinions are "The holocaust never happened" and "Other races are inferior".
I mean they'll never stay banned for long, they almost always evade like OP, and when they don't, someone else whose fallen victim to stormfront propaganda will replace them, but it's better than letting them shit up the place.
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Matilda Dublingshit - Sat, 13 May 2017 11:38:02 EST ID:K93m2UTw No.236742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236739
C'mon Lillian, he's obviously leaving. You can see both eyes in the first panel and only one and a bit in the second.

>>236738
Dude what. OP went about it like a total retard, but asking why Communism is cool and Nazism isn't is a completely valid question. Obviously assuming you're going into it with good faith because you're curious and not because you just wanna screech about "the left".

They're both hideously authoritarian, murderous ideologies but one is copacetic and the other is the most hated thing on planet Earth. Noticing that discrepancy and asking what the fuck isn't being an apologist for the latter.
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Samuel Wubbleheck - Sat, 13 May 2017 11:57:57 EST ID:zF6GxLAS No.236744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236742
The nazi ideology was implicitly racist. Communism wasn't. That's why it's tolerated. >Stupid people
>Be completely fine with you stomping babies to death as long as you don't discriminate which ones you stomp based on "race" (although they now replace the word "race" with something more broad and sweeping like "hierarchical power structures").
Communism is very real, and it is very dangerous, and it is the sleeping dragon that is reawakening, NOT nazism.
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Beatrice Chabberford - Sat, 13 May 2017 12:14:51 EST ID:bU3CGKo7 No.236745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236744
Also a lot of people see communism as a purely economic construct. The economic side is not inherently evil.

The problem is that to make the economic side function you must remove personal autonomy from people and consolidate the government, so almost as a side effect of enabling the economic ideology you need an intrusive authoritatian government. Even then a truely benevolent communist government would be fine. But there is one more factor.

People. People break capitalism. Capitalism is failing because people are cheating, rigging the system using politics, creating market failures etc. With communism rather than just buying out a government, siphoning welfare or starting wars for oil and indirectly killing hundreds of thousands you just shove them into a pit to stay on top. Cutting the middle man out.
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Nigel Dindlelet - Sat, 13 May 2017 12:43:48 EST ID:dhH/JAcc No.236746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236744
>it is the sleeping dragon that is reawakening
ROFL ok there, buddy, try not to get too melodramatic
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Barnaby Mickleladge - Sat, 13 May 2017 14:41:43 EST ID:0xvpemKw No.236747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236738
>especially with the current state of political discussion on the internet
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Reuben Bublingtedging - Sat, 13 May 2017 15:15:43 EST ID:4WbBmFSv No.236748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236744

>Communism is very real, and it is very dangerous, and it is the sleeping dragon that is reawakening,

Lol what. Where? I'm sure the communists will be pleased to hear this.

nb
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Molly Trothood - Sat, 13 May 2017 22:19:56 EST ID:EK0J9loW No.236755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236748
>Lol what. Where
universities and our /pol/ mostly.
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George Backlechene - Sat, 13 May 2017 23:03:33 EST ID:kE55iw6q No.236756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236755
>universities
>implying students actually keep these ideologies once they graduate
>our /pol/
>implying communism wasn't the norm before, that rightism isn't what's "(re)awakening,"
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Lydia Fanninghirk - Sun, 14 May 2017 03:42:30 EST ID:OVQaEdvV No.236772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236756
Youre retarded. Unless you mean communism was the norm back when a tribe of monkey people had only a fire and some meat and berries that they would redistribute once the dear leaders had the lions share, communism was never the norm.
Private property and trade, the hallmarks of capitalism, existed since the beginning of civilization. Communism was invented (and rejected as flawed) in 20th century.
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David Hellerstock - Sun, 14 May 2017 12:36:48 EST ID:eDlgzPL3 No.236783 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236772
>Communism was invented in 20th century.

lol no
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David Grimstone - Sun, 14 May 2017 21:38:42 EST ID:IvHnu//k No.236806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236772
imagine being this fucking stupid
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Rebecca Doffinglick - Sun, 14 May 2017 23:27:52 EST ID:Jzb2+W1v No.236814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Now I get it that they don't want Stormies taking over /pol/. Fine. However, I have grievances that Kirt er al hopefully will take note of:
>1.
The rules on /pol/ currently state:
a. No racism/hate speech
b. This is not 4/8 /pol/
c. Try to act like a civilized human being
d. SMOKE MORE. CHILL OUT (or one could take it as "calm your titties, don't ragesperg)
I have it on good word (use your imagination),though, that people get banned while being entirely rules compliant. The rules thus need greater specificity to prevent confusion.
>2
A common response is "go back to Stormfront", implying Fascists, Nationalists, Neoconfederates, Strasserists, JBSers, Hoppean Libertarians, and Schmittian Straussians are subject to bans. However, Communists, Syndicalists, Anarchists, etc. receive no such bans or message to "go back to Libcom/Revleft/Leftypol". It seems sides are chosen, which increases hostility. Either apply bans evenly, or not at all.
>3
When in a debate, an anon may use the proposition that "race" (a limited heuristic, I agree) is a social construct. However, if another anon responds with words straight from the mouth a mild, Left-of-Center (and quite the opposite of Antisemetic) Sam Harris on the matter, that response earns the latter anon a ban, and the conversation becomes an echo-chamber for the former anon. The moderation needs to realize there is a difference between "GTKRaHoWaN" and the level of discourse had between Harris and Murray on the recent Waking Up cast.
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Rebecca Doffinglick - Sun, 14 May 2017 23:31:42 EST ID:Jzb2+W1v No.236815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This isn't directed at Kirt et al, but the userbase in general who argue that "X is not wanted here; X is not the culture of the board". The following set of images to demonstrate that this is false.
>polite nb
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Rebecca Doffinglick - Sun, 14 May 2017 23:32:43 EST ID:Jzb2+W1v No.236816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236815
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Rebecca Doffinglick - Sun, 14 May 2017 23:33:45 EST ID:Jzb2+W1v No.236817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236816
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Rebecca Doffinglick - Sun, 14 May 2017 23:36:15 EST ID:Jzb2+W1v No.236818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236817
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Charles Huddleworth - Mon, 15 May 2017 04:29:07 EST ID:Zzz294tI No.236823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236814
>a. No racism/hate speech
>b. This is not 4/8 /pol/
>c. Try to act like a civilized human being
>The rules need greater specificity to prevent confusion.
lol
If you get banned from /pol/, you deserved it. Mods don't lurk /pol/, they occasionally walk through the middle of the shitshow to break up an internet fight and ban whatever fuckwit wants to spam his fuckwit opinions like a fuckwit. If you've made enough noise to be noticed on /pol/, you fully deserve whatever happens next.

>A common response is "go back to Stormfront", implying Fascists, Nationalists, Neoconfederates, Strasserists, JBSers, Hoppean Libertarians, and Schmittian Straussians are subject to bans.
Wrong.
It means that the community is actively rejecting your bullshit and they want you to go back to your hugbox echo chamber where you can shout your idiotic racist opinions as loud as you want. If you see that phrase in a ban message, its because the mods don't want your bullshit here, either. So as for...
>Either apply bans evenly, or not at all.
the answer is that "if your shithead opinions don't mesh with ours, fuck off". I'm sure if idiots with too much free time decided to spam Stormfront with Bernie Sanders memes, they'd get banned too and they wouldn't stick around to complain about how "the neo-nazis don't get banned, its not fair".

>When in a debate, an anon may use the proposition that "race"---STOP RIGHT THERE
99.99% of the time, "race" is a topic that should never be brought up in a debate on /pol/.
What, you think this is a government-funded site for racial harmony and the discussion of race relations? You think everyone on the site is stupid enough to be baited into a thread about how "intellectual racism is the best racism hurr hurr" and that some "legitimate discussion" might occur where one poster learns something about race and walks away a more educated, worldy---NO. That never happens, this site isn't for discussing racism or hate speech, and every thread about it is either bullshit, cancer, or both.
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Charles Huddleworth - Mon, 15 May 2017 04:37:20 EST ID:Zzz294tI No.236824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236815
>pulls images from 10-7 years ago to demonstrate changes in public opinion
You're really stretching there, aren't you?

I guess changing your mind about something means you're wrong forever, huh?
I guess people changing their opinion means that every opinion is right forever, huh?
I guess random people reacting differently to different posts made during different years on an imageboard means that shitposting and the discussion of racism, holocaust denial, and other neo-nazi shit is totally justified, huh?
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Hugh Blubberham - Mon, 15 May 2017 07:35:10 EST ID:eDr+Yc3d No.236825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236824
>Disregard this post it was posted in the past and is therefore invalid.
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Angus Nankintotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 08:31:25 EST ID:qxwc8U58 No.236826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the GG outcasts trying to appropriate our chan culture
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Shit Sackleworth - Mon, 15 May 2017 11:32:44 EST ID:L6XL+Bby No.236830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236815
the fuck are these pics trying to prove? that /pol/ has had shitheads in the past too? no shit.
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:36:03 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236823
>>236823
>lol
I'm glad that my grievances amuse you.
>If you get banned from /pol/, you deserved it.
Then the rules should be clarified and expanded.
>Mods don't lurk /pol/, they occasionally walk through the middle of the shitshow to break up an internet fight
I have it on good word that there was no "internet fight" to speak of when bans were issued.
>and ban whatever fuckwit wants to spam
I have it on good word that there was no "spam" to speak of when bans were issued
> his fuckwit opinions like a fuckwit.
I have it on good word that all statements were sourced, in good faith, and presented neutrally when bans were issued
>If you've made enough noise to be noticed on /pol/,
To be noticed=/= rule violations. We both seem to agree that there are offenses outside of what are strictly stated in the rules that are bannable. Thus, we both can agree that the existing set of rules need to be clarified and expanded to avoid confusion.
> you fully deserve whatever happens next.
A deserved ban would be more clearly understood if the rule specifically violated was noted. The rules thus need to be clarified and expanded.

>Wrong.
"Go back to Stormfront" implies one was posting ideas popular on Stormfront.
Fascists, Nationalists, Neoconfederates, Strasserists, JBSers, Hoppean Libertarians, and Schmittian Straussians are popular on Stormfront.
What part of my statement is "wrong"?
>It means that the community is actively rejecting
You are conflating the userbase with staff. If the "community" rejects what one is posting, they can debate, nb, or both.
>your bullshit
I have it on good word that all statements were sourced, in good faith, and presented neutrally when bans were issued. If there were issues with those statements, they were open for discourse and debate.
> and they want you to go back to your hugbox echo chamber
The Left have their hugbox echochambers: /leftypol/, LibCom, Revleft, etc. The Right-Libertarians have Mises.org and FDR. The Trumpians have T_D. Chomskyites have theirs, Agorists have theirs, and RBE people have theirs. If your standard for removal is "member of a fringe group that also has its internet enclave elsewhere", then hypothetically all posters are subject to removal. If you think that certain holders of ideologies are to be banned automatically, then you and I agree that a clarification and expansion of the rules are in order.
>where you can shout your idiotic
I have it on good word that all statements were sourced, in good faith, and presented neutrally when bans were issued. If there were issues with those statements, they were open for discourse and debate.
>racist opinions
I have it on good word that there was no “racism” either in the modern Sociological definition (privilege+power used to disempower other groups) or in the dictionary definition (prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior) when bans were issues.
>as loud as you want.
This has nothing to do about posting “loudly”
> If you see that phrase in a ban message
Why that phrase, when one posts something verbatim from Sam Harris’ Waking Up cast, or a Sapolsky lecture? They aren’t exactly Stormfront material.
>its because the mods
Yes, I understand that mods can remove content and posters of content at their discretion. The issue here is clarity and reason: the rule set should be clarified and expanded.
>don't want your bullshit here, either.
I have it on good word that all statements were sourced, in good faith, and presented neutrally when bans were issued.
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:38:02 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236823
>the answer is that "if your shithead opinions
I have new proposition: that no “shithead opinions” should be accepted. If a poster posts something on /pol/ with no source or an invalid source, the poster may get a warning the first time, a temporary ban the second time, and a permaban the third time.
>don't mesh with ours, fuck off".
“Meshing” is a weasel word. This board is dynamic- not static. It does not have one or a set of specific ideologies or opinions. It has changed over the course of a decade. One can just easily apply that same reasoning that it is you and your ideas that do not mesh with the board as it was historically, and require removal of content and banning.
I have


> I'm sure if idiots
I have it on good word that all statements were sourced, in good faith, and presented neutrally when bans were issued.
> with too much free time
Non sequitur.
>decided to spam
I have it on good word that there was no "spam" to speak of when bans were issued
>Stormfront
Stormfront, the last time I checked, was a site with an explicit set of rules and an explicit list of banned ideologies. 420chan is an imageboard, open to use by all, that is dynamic, whose “median” ideology has shifted over the years. It’s an apples and oranges comparison. If you would like, then support an expanded and clarified set of rules to avoid confusion, and an explicit list of banned ideologies.
>with Bernie Sanders memes
My assumption is that macros depicting Sanders in a negative light would be popular on Strormfront, and macros depicting Sanders in a positive light would be unpopular and bannable on Stormfront. On imageboards, however, people post memes and macros of all sides of an issue all the time.
>they'd get banned too
Because Stormfront is a closed, registered UN-based site with static set of acceptable and unacceptable ideologies, unlike 420chan.
>and they wouldn't stick around to complain about how "the neo-nazis don't get banned
Because Stormfront is a closed, registered UN-based site with static set of acceptable and unacceptable ideologies, unlike 420chan.

>99.99% of the time
The frequency of which discussion of a topic devolves into invalid discussion of that topic does not invalidate the topic itself.
>"race" is a topic that should never be brought up in a debate on /pol/.
Then the rules should be clarified and expanded, and the people claiming that “race is a social construct”, by your own standards, should similarly be banned for bringing up race.
>What, you think this is a government-funded site
I understand that this is a private site and bans and content removal may be issued at the discretion of the staff. I am simply proposing at least, the rules be clarified and expanded to avoid confusion, that furthermore the rules be clarified and expanded to avoid confusion and evenly applied,and at most that the rules be clarified and expanded to avoid confusion, the rules be evenly applied, and debate in good faith (non-sourced and invalidly-sourced posts=bannable) be allowed.
>for racial harmony and the discussion of race relations?
For any matter that is not explicitly barred by the rules. The matters of racial harmony and discussion of race relations are not explicitly barred by the rules.
>You think everyone on the site is stupid
No.
>enough to be baited into a thread
I think some people fall for bait threads. Some do not. If your claim is that people on this site largely do not fall for bait threads real or feigned, then there should be no problem.
>"intellectual racism is the best racism hurr hurr"
Not my position. There is a difference between posting Sam Harris and Steven Pinker verbatim on human differences and being a Stormie.
>and that some "legitimate discussion" might occur
Yes.
>where one poster learns something about race
Yes.
>and walks away a more educated
Yes.
>worldy
Yes
>NO. That never happens
Then why did Harris and Pinker talk about group differences to audiences in good faith? Also, the same logic can be applied to any other supposedly controversial issue: e.g. religion. Many people deconverted through hearing arguments for and against their religion in an open forum.
>this site isn't for discussing racism
Racism must be demarcated from quoting the likes of Harris and Pinker verbatim.
I have it on good word that all statements were sourced, in good faith, and presented neutrally when bans were issued
2. Using that logic, people discussing race from the other side should be banned just the same.
>or hate speech
I have it on good word that there was no hate speech involved when bans were issued.
>and every thread about it is either bullshit, cancer, or both
Then the posters that do not cite their sources or use poor sources should be banned and their posts used as examples for what not to post.
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:47:09 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236824
>I guess changing your mind about something means you're wrong forever, huh?
Not my position and nothing I posted indicated that is my position.
>I guess people changing their opinion means that every opinion is right forever, huh?
Not my position and nothing I posted indicated that is my position.
>I guess random people reacting differently to different posts made during different years on an imageboard means
means that :
a. imageboards, like this one, are dynamic, not static,
b. besides what are explicitly noted in the rules, do not sanction or ban certain ideologies or opinions,
c. and that if one's argument is that a certain opinion or ideology is "against board culture" it could be just as well argued that they are the transplants, and they are the ones going against "board culture"
>that shitposting
I do not support it and mentioned a mechanism (source validation) for stamping it down
>and the discussion of racism,
I do not support it, and mentioned a clear demarcation between Saad and Harris discussing race and Stormies discussing race
> holocaust denial
I do not support anything that does not have valid sources, or valid arguments against sources, backing it. Furthermore there are certain debates of the Holocaust, e.g. Functionalism v. Intentional, that are had in good faith in academic circles.
>and other neo-nazi shit
I do not support anything that does not have valid sources, or valid arguments against sources, backing it.
>is totally justified, huh?
I think what is justified is anything that is rules-compliant. The rules need to be expanded and clarified to reflect bans for posts that were rules-complaint.

>>236830
>the fuck are these pics trying to prove?
a. imageboards, like this one, are dynamic, not static,
b. besides what are explicitly noted in the rules, do not sanction or ban certain ideologies or opinions,
c. and that if one's argument is that a certain opinion or ideology is "against board culture" it could be just as well argued that they are the transplants, and they are the ones going against "board culture"
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:49:19 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236836
Polite nb
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:52:21 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236837
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:54:35 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236838
Reminder: this is discussion about the board /pol/.
A short history of the board is being presented.
This can only be fruitful for the discussion of the board being discussed by putting it into historical context, and thus relevant.
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:55:23 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236839
There are not too many more
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:56:20 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236840
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 14:57:34 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236841
And finally the present day. If one's argument is that the quality of the board is in jeopardy due to dissident opinion, I present you this.
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Hugh Guckledat - Mon, 15 May 2017 16:46:21 EST ID:Ryiqdpr0 No.236844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>ITT: WAAAHHH, WHY ISN'T MY SHITPOSTING ALLOWED?

Get the fuck over it.
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Shitting Fullerstock - Mon, 15 May 2017 17:52:54 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>WAAHH WHY CANT EVERYTHING I AM TRIGGERED BY BE BANNED

get the fuck over it.
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Jack Sopperhall - Mon, 15 May 2017 18:42:37 EST ID:c3DgTx/s No.236847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can we delete /pol/ since they've moved all debate and shitposting to this thread? Kthx
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Hedda Dendlemotch - Mon, 15 May 2017 19:26:47 EST ID:WraXiWtP No.236848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236844

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Hugh Guckledat - Mon, 15 May 2017 16:46:21 EST IRyiqdpr0 No.236844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>ITT: WAAAHHH,
>Poison the well of others' legitimate concerns by comparing them to crying babies
>WAAAHHH others have concerns
See how great of an argument that was?
>WHY ISN'T MY SHITPOSTING ALLOWED?
Straw man. The concerns are
>1
A mismatch between bans and rule compliance (which means the bans need to be fewer, the rules expanded and clarified, or both)
>2
Bans are given out in an uneven manner
>Get the fuck over it.
>I can validly voice my concerns with this board being your concerns
>You can't
Wow, your argumentation is impeccable.




>>236847
Yet you provided no input. We have provided input - both descriptive and prescriptive -above.
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Jack Sopperhall - Mon, 15 May 2017 19:40:59 EST ID:c3DgTx/s No.236850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236848
Wow your local drug chan is not an impartial auditor of political debate
Time to shitpost on the staff communication board

I come to 420chan to discuss what happens when I put meth in my butt, and yet the boards that I visit are far more civil. /pol/ is a cancer, and this thread is a great example of its metastasis.
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Shitting Fullerstock - Mon, 15 May 2017 19:52:48 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236850

the point is it shouldnt be audited on a board specifically for political debate. its not a debate, its an echo chamber where anything even resembling "them" is kneejerk banned.
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Edwin Sammlecocke - Mon, 15 May 2017 20:13:36 EST ID:zRoee409 No.236852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I initially disliked Spunky's modding because he gave me a warning I found undeserved, but I have since found that he reserves the bans for those who deserve it. OP is a... you know... takes in it ze pooper
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Walter Pimmlelut - Mon, 15 May 2017 20:43:37 EST ID:c3DgTx/s No.236853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236851
Who cares what it is or isn't
If it makes you so assdamaged maybe I dunno just stop posting
But you know that nobody would care if that happened so you've resorted to autistic screeching
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Eugene Hettingwot - Mon, 15 May 2017 21:12:23 EST ID:B4tsWxiw No.236854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236530
what killed imageboards was lack of quality control. fuck off
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Hamilton Hegglemodge - Mon, 15 May 2017 21:14:07 EST ID:hnTmooeX No.236855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236530
lol follow your leadeer nazi scum
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Matilda Shakecocke - Mon, 15 May 2017 21:54:05 EST ID:77PQTtYu No.236856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236851
If "them" is racists and shitposting nazis, then the entire world outside stormfront, 4/8shit, and certain reddits and tumblrs is an echo chamber.

If a poster cannot maintain the same level of discourse as the rest of the board (this is not a high bar), and isn't just copy-pasting stormfront mantras at us, banning that poster improves the board.
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Rebecca Millerstan - Mon, 15 May 2017 21:59:49 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236856

racist has lost all meaning and so has nazi. its the immediate go-to of sjw faggots who dont care about honest discourse. its not an objective standard to enforce. and so what if someone appears racist or wants to argue for national socialism or bash communism? and its hilarious how you justify your shit with argumentum ad populum. clearly censorship and banning accomplishes absolutely nothing except ban evaders who will just double down.
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Matilda Dorringtutch - Mon, 15 May 2017 22:59:46 EST ID:wvrpkJKW No.236860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236857
>so what if someone appears racist or wants to argue for national socialism

Uhhh...
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Matilda Shakecocke - Mon, 15 May 2017 23:01:06 EST ID:77PQTtYu No.236861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236857
>racist has lost all meaning and so has nazi
Nope, if it seems like it's changed, it's just you.
>bash communism
You can be against communism without being a nazi.

In any case, nearly all the posters banned for racism are also blatant shitposters like op whose banning prevents other posters from getting driven off the board.
Posting a youtube link to someone repeating your opinions is just clutter.
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Rebecca Millerstan - Mon, 15 May 2017 23:19:48 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236861

to acknowledge racial differences is not bigotry it is science. nor does it necessarily imply moral superiority or inferiority, thats injected in by strawmanning idiots who believe all people are equal or should be forced into equal outcomes.
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Matilda Shakecocke - Mon, 15 May 2017 23:26:05 EST ID:77PQTtYu No.236863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236862
Oh, my mistake then.
I'm sure your beliefs are meaningfully different from those of a bigot, carry on.
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Matilda Shakecocke - Mon, 15 May 2017 23:28:30 EST ID:77PQTtYu No.236864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236862
Oh, my mistake then.
I'm sure your beliefs are meaningfully different from those of a racial bigot, carry on.
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Walter Nemmledock - Mon, 15 May 2017 23:47:36 EST ID:o2O0cRT3 No.236867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236862
>Blind racism is for idiots...I'm an intellectual racist, it's different
Man, Nazis have become the whinest lil bitches on the internet, I swear
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Rebecca Millerstan - Mon, 15 May 2017 23:48:13 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236863
>>236864
>>236867

yet another point proven for me.
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Walter Nemmledock - Tue, 16 May 2017 02:07:17 EST ID:o2O0cRT3 No.236875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236868
>Poor me, I'm trying to prove a point nobody wants to hear
Stay mad, you autistic Nazi fuck
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Rebecca Fundlewet - Tue, 16 May 2017 15:45:09 EST ID:z+o+RB0h No.236886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236850
>Wow your local drug chan is [X/not X]
This line of argumentation can be used to support anything. For example:
>Wow your local drug chan is not an annex of r/Politics
>Wow your local drug chan is not going to cater to Egalitarian ideology
>Wow your local drug chan is not going to suit Christian Fundamentalists
etc. It's a moot point.
>not an impartial auditor of political debate
I understand that Kirt et al can run the site any way they wish, and have no duty to be impartial. However, some of us as a userbase have legitimate concerns as it relates to community issues, such as:
>1
Banning of people posting rules-compliant material, indicating a need for expansion and clarification of the rules, greater allowance and latitude for debate, or both
>2
The "board" culture being used as a justification for ousting dissident opinions, when I have demonstrated that the "board culture" was historically open(anyone with few exceptions could come and participate in the platform this site provided), deliberative(debate was seen as healthy and common), and dynamic (there was no one fixed set or range of ideas for any length of time)
>3
Banning of people with slightly dissident -yet rules-compliant opinions from one side of the political spectrum, yet no reciprocal action taken against posters of controversial opinions not only from the other side of the political spectrum, but the extreme end of it, indicating an uneven playing field
>4
Banning of people under the guise of shitposting/bullshit removal, when this can be solved by a warning->tempban->permaban system of posting unsourced or poorly sourced information.
>I come to 420chan to discuss what happens when I put meth in my butt
Is this to say that any and all discussion not relevant to recreational substances and their usage should not be hosted by this site?
>and yet the boards that I visit are far more civil
That may be because of the nature of those boards. /mdma/ is not going to have as much debate, much less heated debate, as discussion of policy decisions and politicans’ behaviors may have. The former deals with more (not entirely) objective matters; the latter deals with more subjective matters.
> /pol/ is a cancer
That’s like your opinion man. And that’s great! So is your proposal to axe /pol/ from this site entirely?
>and this thread is a great example of its metastasis.
What metastatis? This board is for discussion of this site and its boards. OP, I, and few others shared some concerns with one of them, contained in this thread. You chose to come here, and reply to a thread about concerns about a board that you admitted you don’t even like to post in. If your definition of “metastatis” is “introduction of unwanted, and uncalled for, and irrelevant opinions into another thread or board” you are missing out on the great irony that you may be the metastatis here.
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Rebecca Fundlewet - Tue, 16 May 2017 15:58:33 EST ID:z+o+RB0h No.236887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236852
>I initially disliked Spunky's modding because he gave me a warning I found undeserved,
What was the post to which he gave a warning?
> but I have since found that he reserves the bans for those who deserve it.
What are some example to which you are referring?
>OP is a... you know...
Tautology :)
>>236853
I'm not sure if I'm in full agreement with the anon to which you're responding, but you posted the most curious of pics related. OP, I, Shitting, etc. are sharing concerns about discourse and moderation on a board that we care about. By saying
>Who cares what it is or isn't
it indicates the moderation and discourse on that board is something you don't care about. You, indeed, are the one entering a thread full of things you do not like, and getting mad about it.
>>236854
>what killed imageboards was lack of quality control. fuck off
One can simultaneously have quality control in the form of clarified and expanded rules, equal and just application of bans of ideological bans do occur, and ousting of unsorced or poorly sourced material and its posters, and have discourse/debate. The balance is what's being discussed here.
>>236855
>lol follow your leadeer nazi scum
lol strawman
lol nothing insightful to say
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Esther Chablingnare - Tue, 16 May 2017 16:08:55 EST ID:hJl09uPp No.236888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Full blown Nazism and full blown communism both suck ass. nb
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Esther Chablingnare - Tue, 16 May 2017 16:11:53 EST ID:hJl09uPp No.236889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236888
fuck I bumped oh well
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Rebecca Fundlewet - Tue, 16 May 2017 16:22:30 EST ID:z+o+RB0h No.236890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236856
>If "them" is racists and shitposting nazis, then the entire world outside stormfront, 4/8shit, and certain reddits and tumblrs is an echo chamber.
Firstly here are wider range of opinions than just Nazism. Let's say one is a Stormie, and sees everything outside of his political sphere as so far away from his beliefs that he thinks it's an echo-chamber, does that incentivize him against discussing specific policy proposals even though he shies away from "Big-'P'-Politics" as a whole? No, of course not. The Nazi may have little input on horse race politics, but may still have original opinions on healthcare, foreign policy, infrastructure, etc. He's probably not going to see a debate on whether or not HSR should be built as some "echochamber". So on it's face that analysis falls short.

Secondly, that logic can be used to apply to any insular and fringe group.
>If "them" is Right-Libertarians, then the entire world outside Mises, Cato,and certain reddits and tumblrs is an echo chamber.
>If "them" is Socialists, Syndicalists, and Communists, then the entire world outside /leftypol/,Libcom,Revleft, and certain reddits and tumblrs is an echo chamber.
>>If "them" is Hindus, then the entire world outside India, Hindu forums, and certain reddits and tumblrs is an echo chamber.
>If "them" is RBE/post-scarcity/UBI/transhumanist people, then the entire world outside The Venus Project, FutureWant, and certain reddits and tumblrs is an echo chamber.
Your logic thus falls apart, in that it must be applied to all these groups, or none.
>>236857
>racist has lost all meaning and so has nazi.
No comment on this as it pertains to discussion about our /pol/ itself, as this is a political comment per se, but it has important implications to moderation of that board
>its the immediate go-to of sjw faggots who dont care about honest discourse.
No comment on this as it pertains to discussion about our /pol/ itself, as this is a political comment per se
>its not an objective standard to enforce.
This is the crux of the matter. If someone posts "there are differences!" then qualifies that with "they are due to nutritional, educational, and social factors", is that "racist"? It's a fine line. If someone quotes Sam Harris or Gad Saad and says "there are differences!" then qualifies that with "environmental factors have explanatory power, but their explanatory power is limited, leaving the rest to possibly genetic factors" is this "racist"? Is it racist if someone says the mix is 99% environmental and 1% genetic? 51%environmental and 49% genetic? Once again, it's a fine line.
> and so what if someone appears racist or wants to argue for national socialism or bash communism?
I agree that at most discussion on /pol/ can be expanded to such a level, but at the very least if Kirt et al bar certain ideologies, they can bar the equivalent ideologies from the other side of the spectrum, and further than that allow posting of anything only if it is properly sourced, without GTKRWN ideological flavor.
>and its hilarious how you justify your shit with argumentum ad populum. clearly censorship and banning accomplishes absolutely nothing except ban evaders who will just double down.
This.
>236860
>Uhhh...
Brilliant rejoinder.
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Rebecca Fundlewet - Tue, 16 May 2017 16:43:34 EST ID:z+o+RB0h No.236893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236890
also for
>>236860

>>236861
>Nope, if it seems like it's changed, it's just you.
>In any case, nearly all the posters banned for racism are also blatant shitposters
Firstly have it on good word that there was no "racism" either in the modern Sociological definition (privilege+power used to disempower other groups) or in the dictionary definition (prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior) when bans were issues.
Secondly there is legitimate discussion of differences between groups- that are echoed by the likes of Harris, Pinker, and yes, even the beloved Flynn that are valid, in good faith, and do not constitute racism in either definition.
>You can be against communism without being a nazi.
>blatant shitposters like op whose
It seems we agree. However, OP's proposition was that there is hypocrisy in the way one is treated in reference to the other.
He further asserted that mere mention of this earned him a ban, and conflation with the Nazis themselves.
>whose banning prevents other posters from getting driven off the board.
This logic fails on two front:
>1
Nobody can be "driven" off this board except by banning- it's historically open, dynamic, and deliberative. Disagreements can be had. If those on one side of a certain issue outnumber those of the opposite side, then the latter aren't "driven" off, and if they feel they are, they can recruit others to join in on the discussion.
>2
The same argument can be used by anyone else, e.g. "The r/Politics Left has driven other posters off the board" (which if we are going with this reasoning, based on my screengrabs, has more historical basis). If an argument you are using against one group of people can be applied to almost every group of people (Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, Post-Scarcity folk, Trumpites, Right-Libertarians, Francoists), then the argument loses its power against that one group.
>Posting a youtube link to someone repeating your opinions is just clutter.
Okay, this is a valid criticism. What do you propose if someone wants to share ideas?
One example for a proper and accepted format could be:[Link/scanned book page/other content]+short summary+opinion+question.
>>236867
>>236875
>Blind racism is for idiots...I'm an intellectual racist, it's different
>Man, Nazis have become the whinest lil bitches on the internet, I swear
>Stay mad, you autistic Nazi fuck
Do you consider Saad, Pinker, Harris, and Flynn racists? Do you consider them Nazis? What about those that quote them verbatim?
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John Washhall - Tue, 16 May 2017 17:35:42 EST ID:bTCGjjiw No.236894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If I were to put my thoughts another way:
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Nigel Pondlenadge - Tue, 16 May 2017 21:37:01 EST ID:swBEOIBB No.236896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>implying any of this would make /pol/ or any part of the site "better"

like honestly man, if you just wanna discuss white genocide and why you hate blacks ins't because of their big dicks boning your ex, there are websites like that for you. not this one though.
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Cornelius Tillingspear - Tue, 16 May 2017 21:54:03 EST ID:RN/0Zrlc No.236897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fun fact: Ukraine essentially suffered two genocides between the Soviet famine and Nazi occupation.

People say "The holocaust" "six million jews" Yeah well it wasn't the only holocaust, and BTW the Nazi regime systematically killed 11 million people, not six million.

And none of that detracts from millions of starving Ukranian children who died years before.

Nazis and Communists are both naive garbage people.

I miss when I was young and idealistic and could take online debate seriously

NB because we're all fags in this thread.
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Hugh Fallerfield - Tue, 16 May 2017 22:35:38 EST ID:77PQTtYu No.236898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236897
I've not seen anyone advocate centrally-planned economies, engineered famine as a means to pacify populations, or any of the other factors that contributed to the holodomer in /pol/.

Also, communism and fascism don't have a monopoly on engineered starvation.
Ireland had a bumper crop of grain during the potato famine, but it was more profitable for the English land owners to sell it abroad than to the farmers who grew it.

Today India is a net exporter of food yet hundreds of millions of workers suffer from malnutrition.
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Edward Bunbury - Wed, 17 May 2017 00:09:03 EST ID:L/hxCFam No.236902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236896

>implying any of this would make /pol/ or any part of the site "better"
Why would they not?
>like honestly man, if you just wanna discuss white genocide
Straw man
>and why you hate blacks
Straw man
>ins't because of their big dicks boning your ex,
Ad hom
>there are websites like that for you. not this one though.
And once more, this logic can be used for anyone and anything .
>If you want to talk about Distributism/Strasserism/Syndicalism/Georgism/RBE etc. there are websites like that for you. Not this one, though
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Reuben Dartson - Wed, 17 May 2017 00:15:47 EST ID:ASvMierJ No.236903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236902
Wow you sure showed him, philosophy 101 really comes in handy for arguing on the internet
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Lillian Goodfoot - Wed, 17 May 2017 02:09:19 EST ID:2twbmEOJ No.236906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236903
I know, right?
I can't wait to see the sperg rage when Spunky deletes this thread too
Banned
User was Guanjyn'd for this post
User was banned by: Spunky
Reason: Not in the mood for a sperg fit, mod abuse on the other hand...
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Edward Bunbury - Wed, 17 May 2017 03:07:25 EST ID:L/hxCFam No.236907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236906
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Sidney Worrydick - Wed, 17 May 2017 03:16:43 EST ID:OCBrqpYU No.236908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236906
fukkin rekt

gj spunks
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Augustus Bocklechack - Wed, 17 May 2017 16:41:16 EST ID:sm37rhas No.236912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236906
LOL get fukt
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Cedric Harrywire - Wed, 17 May 2017 17:20:53 EST ID:1ZaSaXPS No.236913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236906
Lol, mod abuse
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Angus Pallerworth - Wed, 17 May 2017 18:39:21 EST ID:dEkhzE9y No.236914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236906
ahaha. what an idiot.
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Charlotte Munderman - Wed, 17 May 2017 19:00:43 EST ID:Yx/mt7hU No.236915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236906
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
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Sidney Dartdale - Thu, 18 May 2017 10:30:59 EST ID:RVbbjXoD No.236924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There are literally threads on /pol/ right now discussing white genocide and what to wear when beating up protesters. Awful stuff.
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Reuben Follystodge - Fri, 19 May 2017 01:16:10 EST ID:1TlBjcpB No.236936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236924
I don't care that they talk about that stuff, as long as it stays mostly contained to /pol/.
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Alice Wisslekick - Fri, 19 May 2017 16:35:22 EST ID:1N6Pb88B No.236950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236924
when has /pol/ ever been about discussing actual politics. Go to /n/ or something idk.
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Sidney Pockford - Fri, 19 May 2017 20:12:57 EST ID:4WbBmFSv No.236956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236950

/n/ might be arguably worse these days.
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Cedric Gungerspear - Fri, 19 May 2017 22:48:36 EST ID:p0OqSKhi No.236959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236956

The thing that sucks about /n/ these days is that no one on staff ever pays attention to it. So you have Spunky going ham on /pol/ to weed out the nazis and shitposters, but then those assholes just migrate to unmoderated /n/ and pull their shit there.
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Charles Shittingshit - Sat, 20 May 2017 05:23:17 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236959

wahh muh thought police is inconsistent
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Lillian Sinderbore - Sat, 20 May 2017 12:44:11 EST ID:ZslVMwBP No.236967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236965
wahhh why cant i just fling racist shitstorm brewing bait everywhere why not other chans do it waaaahhhh
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Ian Wingerbury - Sat, 20 May 2017 14:08:17 EST ID:4DtzlvrF No.236968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
delete /pol/ and /n/. Redirect the menu links to websites with less moderation. Still lock threads as "take it to /pol".

Everyone wins.
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Augustus Callychetch - Sat, 20 May 2017 15:37:31 EST ID:PcT8LaTm No.236973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
/pol/ and /n/ are just the mildest elements of the altright/sjw crowds smugly arguing amongst each other. it's not even so much vitriolic as it is boring, at worst, eye-roll inducing. I'd rather watch people debate politics on facebook honestly.
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Esther Buzzham - Sat, 20 May 2017 16:16:17 EST ID:PTwzvs2K No.236974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236968
this, honestly. it keeps spilling. these containment boards aren't fully contained. mostly it spills over onto /high/ but lately you can see more and more shit on other boards too.

just fucking delete it already.
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Phyllis Bapperchadge - Sat, 20 May 2017 18:14:51 EST ID:n0WSAb/w No.236976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236974

Tbh shit was worse during the election. Before that we still got spunky-hate threads too.
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Nathaniel Cusslefoot - Sat, 20 May 2017 23:29:17 EST ID:wBSqmwoO No.236978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236968
do you guys not remember what happens when you delete containment boards? Destroy a cockoroach nest? They scatter and infest your house.
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David Denderstone - Sun, 21 May 2017 00:54:24 EST ID:Ugqv669f No.236979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're an idiot if you think /pol/ - or 98% of the boards on this site for that matter - is a forum for any kind of open legitimate discussion free from scrutiny of one-sidedness. The other site's /pol/ might be a cesspool, but at least you won't get a lifeguard constantly making sure you're swimming in it the right way.

That said, it still amazes me how emotional Spunky can get about the abuses of power that the world's leaders perpetrate, and yet he continues to gleefully dump on anyone he deems unworthy with no other justification than his own opinions, assumptions, and the dictatorial credo of "I have power and you don't." OP seems well spoken, non-combative, and not even aligned to a particular philosophy. But Spunky decided OP was a nazi, and that's good enough to get him exiled.

There's a few words for that kind of behavior, one of them starts with an n I think, but it's generally frowned upon by those who claim to be interested in the high ground.
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Betsy Shittingford - Sun, 21 May 2017 01:20:47 EST ID:elC3ThfY No.236982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236974

>Spillover

Yeah dude there's a /pol/ thread on /psy/ right now. Of course the topic is related and the thread itself belongs on /psy/ based on that, but it has devolved completely into a shit fest /pol/ thread and should just get nipped IMO. Either way, I guess it's whatever because /psy/ seems to get an average of 10-15 post per day. Maybe.
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 01:34:25 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.236983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236979
>banning people from a drug imageboard for shitposting makes you a Nazi

>I am unbiased and totally not butthurt
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Graham Clevingshaw - Sun, 21 May 2017 02:05:57 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236983

define shitposting. objectively. then reasonably explain why censorship of politics makes sense on a board specifically for politics.

oh... oh im so sorry, thats where your piss poor argument utterly falls apart isnt it.

admit it, dont even be ashamed of it, you want an echo chamber, an unchallenged PC safespace where communist or religious (whats the difference) apologism is kosher but anything slightly contradictory is not.
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 02:18:56 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.236985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236984
>define shitposting
>"When they call us Nazis or shitposters, we'll just argue semantics! It's a fool-proof strategy!"
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Graham Clevingshaw - Sun, 21 May 2017 02:21:44 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236985

so you have nothing but pathetic platitudes.
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 02:33:42 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.236987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236986
>I wanna talk about Nazis and Jews and SJWs without fear of being banned
>what does shitposting, nazi, or racist even mean anymore
>I don't want an echo chamber, I just want a place to spout my bullshit beliefs

>everyone else is full of shit
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 02:45:37 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.236988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236986
Before you answer, lemme guess it first:
>define bullshit beliefs
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Fuck Nammerchitch - Sun, 21 May 2017 02:53:01 EST ID:OVQaEdvV No.236989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236987
>I wanna talk about Nazis and Jews and SJWs without fear of being banned
Isnt that what free speech is all about?
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Graham Clevingshaw - Sun, 21 May 2017 02:58:27 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.236990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236989

inb4 freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom from consequences etc.

thats not even the point. the point is why have a board for political debate that does not allow debate.
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Cyril Lightman - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:01:04 EST ID:fJyljMo4 No.236991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236989
Didn't read the thread but if anyone thinks this way; some people are going to complain about your posts. These types of threads cause a lot of drama and are generally just bad vibes, I think most people would just hide the threads but there has been quite a few of these types of threads and opinions popping up all over 420chan.

Anyway I doubt the mods will do anything about this cause people can post about whatever they like, everyone needs to just smoke a bowl and chill out.
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:06:37 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.236992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236989
>Isnt that what free speech is all about?
That's what shitposting is all about.
If you wanna rant about how innocent and demonized Nazis are, how DA JOOZ are responsible for the world's problems, or how SJWs are the new KKK, there's plenty of other places to do it. This is not that place. If you want a place to do it, go back to whichever echo chamber you call home and stay there
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Fuck Nammerchitch - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:14:17 EST ID:OVQaEdvV No.236993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236992
ironic how you call places that allow more open discussion echo chambers

>>236991
>everyone needs to just smoke a bowl and chill out.
this.
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:26:56 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.236996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236993
If allowing antisemetic bullshit, racist tirades, and conspiracy theories is wrong, I don't want the mods to be right.
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Cyril Lightman - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:34:57 EST ID:fJyljMo4 No.236997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236996
The problem isn't the threads and their content, I do think it's shit posting but everything is pretty much fair game. The real problem is the amount of threads around these topics. I seem to end up hiding a fair few threads these days cause they've devolved into retarded arguments about racism, sexism and whatever other over discussed negative topics.
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:46:33 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.236998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236997
There are no threads "around" these topics; shitposting is shitposting is shitposting.
If you see a thread that invites discussion of racism, antisemitism, or sexism, it's a bait thread. If you see people discussing such topics in that thread, they're shitposters.
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Fuck Nammerchitch - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:50:43 EST ID:OVQaEdvV No.236999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236996
well, then its you thats in need of an cho chamber.
not that theres something wrong with that. echo chambers are comfy, and free speech, while broadening your horizons and making you more well rounded and in touch with reality, is often bothersome
just dont lie to yourself
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Fuck Nammerchitch - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:54:33 EST ID:OVQaEdvV No.237000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236999
I will also admit that with the ease of manipulating internet discourse, free speech can be used subversively, creating false perception of reality to the people not aware of the possibility
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Graham Clevingshaw - Sun, 21 May 2017 04:11:13 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.237001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236998

what a pathetic, primitive mind you are.
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 04:38:44 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.237004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236999
Free speech is only brought up by racists and shitposters when you want to tell them to fuck off back to where they came from or ban them.

>aggressively hateful shitposting
Could you guys please keep discussion of such topics to a minimum?
>stallion jolly african-american jovial jew pussy lol echo chamber hug box

>aggressively hateful shitposting
Goddamn just fuck off already
>free speech echo chamber ad hom strawman

>aggressively hateful shitposting
Spunky has banned you for shitposting
>aw gee 420chan I just wanted to have a rational discussion about race, judaism, and nazism, be nice for once

There's no being nice to these autists because they don't understand it.
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Graham Clevingshaw - Sun, 21 May 2017 04:45:42 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.237005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>237004

>aggressively hateful strawmanning
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Cyril Lightman - Sun, 21 May 2017 04:57:33 EST ID:fJyljMo4 No.237006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236998
>There are no threads "around" these topics;
Fine i should've said covering these topics, or talking about this type of shit.

Hey I don't like these types of threads so much either, I think their just bait for replies and they always end up being baseless, derailed, annoying, repetitive arguments. That said though there's nothing you can do about it, anything goes really (aside from the obvious) and plenty of people here post in those threads (baited or not).

My biggest problem with the whole thing is the amount of threads turning into shitfests and the actual quality of the posts, that and i find the topics kinda played out and obviously a little dissagreeable. I feel that if it gets too bad and the boards are overrun with these threads then the mods will step in, but right now there's not much of a problem. When a thread starts to go shit, just hide it.

Also this is a chan and it is the internet, what do you expect from this website?
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Cyril Lightman - Sun, 21 May 2017 04:58:31 EST ID:fJyljMo4 No.237007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>237006
Aww i forgot to change their when i edited that sentence :(
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 05:02:16 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.237008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>236999
Furthermore, if you are unable to post about anything other than race, politics, or sexism, you're a shitposter and deserve to be banned or shunned.....and this IS the issue at hand, it has nothing to do with "expanding minds and viewpoints" because that's what research is for. If you "did your research" and have 20 bullshit images of graphs to show for it, you're still a shitposter because why the fuck would you need a graph to explain why you hate black people or jews if not to solidify your argument?

>I'm not racist, sexist, or a Nazi but here's 5 images about why blacks are inferior, women are scum and how the Jews were behind WWII
>I'm not a /pol/ shitposter, here's 10 images of shitposters from /pol/

Do you see the pattern?
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Simon Channingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 07:19:03 EST ID:iWtIjV+T No.237012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>237006
There isn't "nothing you can do" about these threads and the shitposters who start them, you can actively discourage it (tell them to fuck off and that they're not wanted), passively discourage it (ignore them and hide their thread) or both.
Either way, the mods take note of how many people hide a user, the threads they make, and the responses in the thread, so do all 3 if possible.
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Alice Haffingchotch - Sun, 21 May 2017 12:30:56 EST ID:tyNZvafL No.237014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>236978

Do you remember when they added a "containment board" for tinfoilers, and that lead to pulling in more crazy idiots to the site? I'm convinced BH was directly related to this site throwing its doors open to maniacs.

But you misunderstand. The containment boards wouldn't be deleted in this solution, they'd just be moved off site.
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Thomas Drannerhodge - Sun, 21 May 2017 13:43:46 EST ID:PcyI+0EH No.237016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>237014
This is Funny Sunday!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGq-2gY81os
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Hannah Crucklegold - Sun, 21 May 2017 13:47:56 EST ID:PcT8LaTm No.237017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I click /tinfoil/ out of curiosity every once in a while and half the time it's /wooo/ gifs.
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Eliza Cengerhare - Mon, 22 May 2017 16:33:33 EST ID:n0WSAb/w No.237040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>237017

Well /tinfoil/ kinda imploded some time back and turned into the shitpost board of the entire site which /wooo/-posters use for venting. Kind of a poster-boy board for what happens when mods stop caring.

What's really sad is that people are still trying to post serious /tinfoil/ threads amongst the mess.
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Edwin Cobberpud - Mon, 22 May 2017 18:30:54 EST ID:fJyljMo4 No.237045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>237040
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Rebecca Blenkinworth - Mon, 22 May 2017 20:36:54 EST ID:p0OqSKhi No.237048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>237040

>What's really sad is that people are still trying to post serious /tinfoil/ threads amongst the mess.

One does not simply turn off the voices in their head, Eliza.
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Caroline Dollyforth - Wed, 24 May 2017 05:15:49 EST ID:eIOUXsVL No.237090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>crybabies calling crybabies crybabies the thread
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Molly Simmleford - Wed, 24 May 2017 11:53:48 EST ID:Z+aJUpeZ No.237096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>237040
it's rapidly spilling over into /pol/. there's a white genocide thread, people legit concerned about muslims taking over europe, right wing coup d'etat in germany, etc. it's 4/8shit level bad.
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Nell Drorringnedging - Wed, 24 May 2017 19:42:08 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.237110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>237096

>people legit concerned about muslims taking over europe

because thats not a legitimate concern based on consistent evidence. only nazis from (other site) could come up such humbug.
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Priscilla Cribblegold - Fri, 26 May 2017 03:40:35 EST ID:Ryiqdpr0 No.237174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>X8 banned

About damn time! It's hilarious how those shitposters on /pol/ & /n/ continue to get btfo.
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Lillian Fuckleworth - Fri, 26 May 2017 06:08:32 EST ID:RWZflSIp No.237176 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>237110
I always love how Americans think they understand and know what's going on in Europe.
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Nathaniel Pockridge - Fri, 26 May 2017 07:26:17 EST ID:t1UJNeC2 No.237177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>237176

how do you know the holocaust happened? were you there?
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Samuel Tillingworth - Fri, 26 May 2017 07:26:49 EST ID:DXx8Zgx1 No.237178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>237176
uuuuuhh
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Samuel Tillingworth - Fri, 26 May 2017 07:28:40 EST ID:DXx8Zgx1 No.237179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>237178
I mean has there ever been more blind speculation about any country by other countries?
I'll stop because this is /420/ not /n/ or /pol/ but I just want you to know you're retarded Nathaniel.


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