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americans are batshit crazy by Albert Fisslestock - Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:48:50 EST ID:nhr5darW No.43797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i just read a part of a heavy metal comic
holy shit how are the big two even still existing?
damn that was intense

do americans simply have very bad taste?
they give so little attention to the best they have
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Cyril Woffingfuck - Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:59:29 EST ID:qUGqNh6Y No.43801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>43797
It's a historical cultural contextual kinda thing. Heavy Metal originated in France, where comics are considered a genuine artform ala music or sculpting, with all the expressive freedom and potential degeneracy that entails. Because France didn't have to deal with the sociopolitical bullshit American comics did early-on and were able to creatively grow, expand & mature to their fullest potential.
American comics might've become as diverse as Eurocomics were it not for some fuddy-duddy fuckhead swoocing on in when they the industry was still experimenting in the 1950s & pulling off the ol' Carrie-Nation Jack-Thompson WONT SOME PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN routine with the government. Publishers were rendered literally unable of doing anything the slightest bit "provocative" or "adult" or even "rebellious". No death, no innuendo, no portraying authority figures as wrong, nothing that Rod & Todd Flanders wouldn't be allowed to read.
And that's why capeshit dominated the marketplace. Superheroes were colorful and silly enough to be seen as child-oriented, they presented their stories as wholesome moral fables, and they allowed writers/artists to still be imaginative & fantastical & bombastic. They even allowed to wiggle-room around the censors (e.g. Hulk's main villain being the US Army, who thought they were in the right) and brought about the regulations' eventual downfall (google 'Spider-Man drug story'). By which point the genre had already anchored its place as the only game in town.
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Edward Punkinfene - Sun, 05 Aug 2018 17:16:35 EST ID:IA3Wyhje No.43819 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>43801

And still American underground comics did it since the 60s.
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Nathaniel Moppercocke - Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:34:58 EST ID:dFSuuAsg No.43832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>43797
>do americans simply have very bad taste?
Watch the documentary called In Search of Moebius. It's about Heavy Metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNas99oEXBU

Features Alexandro (sp?) Jodorowsky going "I shit on America, I shit on America!".
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Thomas Snoddale - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:30:13 EST ID:OI3BqQVZ No.43834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only reason Marvel and DC are still around is because they're propped up by their mother companies. That's capitalism for you.
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Thomas Tootford - Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:12:39 EST ID:/qoJVyDH No.43867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>43801
Pretty much this.
Some asshole wrote a book full of falsehoods and pseudo-science (pic related). People took it seriously, congress hearings ensued and the Comics Code Authority was born.

Mainstream comics weren't allowed to mature in any way for decades and got stuck in their limited framework.

The only silver lining is that superhero comics stayed around and have a massive legacy today, they could have dissapeared if they weren't held back so much. Whether or not you like "capeshit" they're an institution and a big part of our pop-culture.
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Charlotte Himblewun - Tue, 18 Sep 2018 07:18:36 EST ID:cSh4z1Mu No.43874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>43819
The term itself is all the evidence you need: "underground". Comics that dealt with mature themes ala Metal Hurlant weren't sanctioned by the governments CCA and had to be self-published in small amounts the creator could hock to newsagents in person. They were an under-the-counter product you'd have to go out of your way to look for & ask about, so didn't have a wider influence on the medium. As far as the regular 99% of society who didn't know-or-care was concerned comics were exclusively wholesome all-ages superhero fare, since that's what was on the shelves in large quantities on a consistent basis. It took the CCA working itself into a shoot over Spider-Man, readers not particularly caring if an issue had their stamp or not, and DC/Marvel establishing off-shoot imprints like Epic/Vertigo without their consent for the underground comics ethos to become mainstream.
Come to think of it maybe "magazines" had entirely different standards and weren't beheld to the CCA's rules? It'd explain why Marvel had so many horror characters in that format in the 70s. They might've been squirming through loopholes around the censors as early as possible.
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Hannah Blellerfeg - Mon, 24 Sep 2018 00:06:13 EST ID:gAzf8HMX No.43878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>43874
Yes, magazines were exempt, that's why Mad became a magazine early on, to dodge the CCA. also how we had mature Conan and Dracula comics in the 70's, they were just bigger and had articles so they called them magazines. And we saw Beverly Switzler's tits in Howard The Duck.
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Nell Gallerfield - Thu, 27 Sep 2018 08:37:09 EST ID:cSh4z1Mu No.43883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>43878
Turns out I have that page.
Feels hella weird to get explicit confirmation that Howard & Bev were fucking.
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Rebecca Tootstock - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 09:57:56 EST ID:UXUo1L3H No.43935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>43867
also the cape publishers hopped on the bandwagon because it was a way to cripple EC who was kicking their ass
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Beatrice Fittingnick - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:44:30 EST ID:RYuZkNFE No.43948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah Heavy Metal is fucking excellent. Can be a little hit or miss sometimes, and I feel awkward reading it in public, but overall they are great.

I grew up in a little village in Scotland, it was easy to go into town but it wasn't something I did too often. Once every 2 months I'd head into the city to buy some weed, some comics, some subway sandwiches, hot sauce, kewpie mayonaise, and then head home to get high in my bedroom, eat subs, and read Heavy Metal.

Really fucking good times.
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Eugene Smallshit - Sun, 09 Dec 2018 11:27:33 EST ID:tkm5lfon No.43959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>43948
Grant Morrison, is that you?


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