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The Crisis of the Opium Derivatives by Bruce Leroy - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:45:39 EST ID:w4XS1VQA No.4639646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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When people quote numbers, this really starts to sound like some insane shit that makes no sense. Five and ten years ago, crystal meth and bath salts were a thing, the scourge of ruined lives, and heroin and oxy pills were a close second, but now, Breaking Bad is off the air, and every variety of opioid product has rolled in and sucks people into the undertow of drug induced pleasure, and the junk lifestyle.

The AIDS epidemic killed over 40,000 people in 1995, at its worst. Last year, 2016, around 65,000 bit the dust, and there's basically no urgency to the matter. But not only is there no urgency, the killing supply is a faucet turned on full blast, gushing as much milk of the poppy as ever. Crystal meth and bath salts killed and ruined a fraction of this body count, and in swift order a crackdown and media campaign swung into action to clamp down on the threat, but something worse than AIDS comes along, and no one blinks an eye. Just usual "drugs are bad, kids" kind of shrugs.

Something doesn't add up.
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Arlen Hashbottom - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:17:59 EST ID:XuQfNk/o No.4639661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The mayor of my state's capitol shut down the city's biggest shelter/detox center with 0 advance warning, dumped people who were trying to get better straight back on to the streets (right when fent was becoming big here), and then used the record number of deaths as a reason to oppose the legalization of marijuana.
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Bruce Leroy - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:32:12 EST ID:w4XS1VQA No.4639664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Everybody is ape shit over the presidency, and social issues, but in the 90's you absolutely could not find a single TV station that wasn't harping on with some after school special about the gay hemophiliac neighborhood kid who caught the HIV from sharing needles with a teenage hooker. Every single fucking music video was Salt N Pepa and George Michael praying hail mary's for monogamy and latex wrapped dicks in assorted flavors.

But pills, patches, lolipops, and other ground breaking pain killer delivery mechanisms that blow your mind, make it out from under lock and key, armed guard, private industial labs and into the hands of random fucks everywhere. And no one knows anything.
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Andross - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:38:06 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4639665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Big Pharma likes selling more pills. They don't like to ask too many questions beyond that. Sell more pills = happy fun time capitalism party = end of the line
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Kota Ibushi - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:39:00 EST ID:li968klp No.4639666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
China is putting immense pressure on the American government to put immense pressure on the American media and public to not discuss this or put a stop to it because its incredibly profitable for Chinese chemical factories, basically the exact same thing the British did to them 200 years ago
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Andross - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:48:30 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4639668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639666
Gotta love that historical irony.
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Bruce Leroy - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:06:07 EST ID:w4XS1VQA No.4639672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639666
So we talk about active shooter incidents in the 24 hour news cycle instead, which kill not even one percent of what opiates do, and we want laws to ban guns when laws banning drugs don't work even in the slightest.

But riddle me this: why would spinning the wheels on a chemical plant, to produce medical grade toxic waste be preferrable to doing anything productive. They probably make pennies on the dollar to manufacture precursor feed stock, much of which is likely dual use for the most part. With the unlimited human capital of the Chinese party worker, why should China have any want for cash?
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:08:02 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>opium derivatives
Bruh its not the opiates that are the problem, its the opioids that are killing people. Its 2017 my dude. Learn some pharmacology.
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Bruce Leroy - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:16:16 EST ID:w4XS1VQA No.4639676 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639673
You're a gigantic faggot, friend-o. Come up with a better dis. You know what I'm talking about, and the word "opioid" is so tiresome, and I'm sick of using it. So fuck you and your opium dens and shooting galleries, bitch boy. Find something else to criticize with your shit ass Babylon 5 garbage screen grabs. Fuckin ho.
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:24:47 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639676
You're sick of using accurate terminology?
How about "hurr muh drugs," is that simple enough for you?
In short, you're an idiot.





boipucci
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Mordoc - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:29:45 EST ID:VgdlZ73i No.4639680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639672
>we want laws to ban guns when laws banning drugs don't work even in the slightest

You love your guns and i can understand that, but why are you guys against a thorough background check before you let someone buy a gun?
Its not like you cant get a gun in Canada, but they make sure you don't have history with criminal, mental health, addiction and domestic violence. They just wana make sure you don't point it at other people or at yourself, and that you fully understand the responsibility of owning a tool designed to kill. Is that really so bad?
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Mordoc - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:31:36 EST ID:VgdlZ73i No.4639681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639680
>Mordoc the Ferengi

Not my lucky day, i guess.
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Lucy Steamcunt - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:32:29 EST ID:xcvH0xTe No.4639682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639673
Yeah well you should probably learn some chemistry, because fentanyl and its analogues are made from oripavine, which is an opium derivative.
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:32:47 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639680
What metrics do they use to determine someone's mental health? Do they distinguish between a person with depression and a person with schizophrenia? They probably just group them all as "crazy" and deny them all.
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:35:37 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639682
You should learn some reading comprehension.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl
Literally the first line my dude.
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Lucy Steamcunt - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:37:25 EST ID:xcvH0xTe No.4639685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639682
*which makes them opium derivatives.
nb
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Lucy Steamcunt - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:39:00 EST ID:xcvH0xTe No.4639687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639684
I'm not saying it's an opiate, I'm saying it's both an opioid and that's it's still made from a chemical from the opium poppy.
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:39:10 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639685
Synthetics and semi-synthetics are opioids. Direct opium derivatives are opiates. What is it you aren't understanding here?
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Lucy Steamcunt - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:41:50 EST ID:xcvH0xTe No.4639690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639688
I realise that, I'm saying that if it's a synthetic which relies on precursors from the opium poppy then it qualifies as an opium derivative. That's not to say that it's an opiate, as I said in my last post.
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Mordoc - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:42:55 EST ID:VgdlZ73i No.4639691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639683
I don't know but its not hard to think of a number of ways to determine whither the person is a threat to himself or the people around him. If the person was ever admitted to a psychiatric ward would be one. Interview the people he knows at work, his family. Maybe even a couple of sessions with a counselor would be fine too. But the most important thing is a criminal record, if you want to give a gun to someone you gotta make sure he doesn't have problems functioning in society, and that he has a long period of employment. Personally i think you can bend the rules a bit for the men and women who served in the military, but civilians should never own a gun unless they actually need it.
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:46:17 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639690
Ok
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:51:53 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639691
The fact is diagnosis of a mental illness is really difficult as there aren't really cut and dry tests to determine that. The questionnaires and inventories used to assess mental illnesses are just that, questionares. Therefore, i feel like its very important to establish what mental illnesses disqualify someone from owning a firearm.

As for civilians not ever needing a gun, I sort of agree but the idea of some psycho veteran or cop having a gun while I am defenseless makes me uncomfortable.
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Chief Betsy - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:06:05 EST ID:suwtyD80 No.4639698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639694
We're not trying to figure out what the problem is and the best method of fixing it, what we are trying to determine is whither this person is a threat to himself or others. If we can answer this question, then we have all the information we need if we want to allow this person to own a tool designed to murder human beings.

>Psycho veteran or cop having a gun while I am defenseless makes me uncomfortable

whoa there, Cowboy. Your paranoia will only get you killed.
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Chief Betsy - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:07:00 EST ID:suwtyD80 No.4639700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639698
Who the hell is Chief Betsy?
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:23:41 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639698
I don't see people being objective or even capable of making that choice with any amount of fairness. But maybe if more, like research is done. And Idk but chief betsy is pretty gay sorry you got stuck with it, player.
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Andross - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:39:18 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4639709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639700
I'm going with random generic Pokemon trainer name. Like Team Aqua Grunt Ebenezer, or something like that.
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Carlos Newton - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:42:36 EST ID:lUk4B2Nt No.4639711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639700

you? how do you not know who you are? how high are you?
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April Hunter - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 04:20:39 EST ID:J2eEdgda No.4639722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Opioid epidemic might be harming people, but at least its some kind of step towards normalization of recreational drug use. Sometimes things done for heinous reasons like profit and control turn out peachy in the end.
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Andross - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 04:28:05 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4639724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639722
Reminds me of that Chinese parable about the horse that ran away, then came back with a mate, then left again.
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April Hunter - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 04:37:44 EST ID:J2eEdgda No.4639730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639724
Full story for reference:
There was an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. "Such bad luck," they said sympathetically.

"Maybe," the farmer replied. The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed.

"Maybe," replied the old man. The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune. "Maybe," answered the farmer. The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out. "Maybe," said the farmer.
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Heishiro Mitsurugi - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 05:39:13 EST ID:vPnUn9eD No.4639747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Downers other than weed (including the mild benzo alcohol) are for weak people who burden the world.
When you go down that road of abuse you deserve what you get. Yea it's sad and tragic but it's on you. Everybody knows it's a bad scene. An when you approach heroin and score random shit to shoot or smoke you dun fucked up and the world is better off without you.
Might as well go skydiving with a lazily packed shute and get a better high.
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JZ Cavalcante - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 05:51:04 EST ID:bhMz1WIt No.4639752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639747
>US marine picture
>talks shit about downers
Are you sure you didn't overshoot your mark when typing the URL
agreed that heroin is bad news bears tho
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GrahamGecklenit.xls - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:26:26 EST ID:L+H35NSA No.4639760 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639747
>other than weed
way to strategically exclude yourself
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Alex Guarnaschelli - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:28:52 EST ID:sVlGi/lg No.4639772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639666
China is the competition to the pharmaceutical companies and all their shit is kept illegal by law so that they can't compete with the American companies. The reason this is swept under the rug is because the American drug companies are the ones profiting.
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Lucy Steamcunt - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:20:15 EST ID:xcvH0xTe No.4639788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639747
>the mild benzo alcohol

I can't even
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Guitarist Edward - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:57:12 EST ID:wea4iTxT No.4639800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639747
>the mild benzo alcohol

nigga what
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Mike Brown - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:01:45 EST ID:xiNFj+an No.4639802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639800
>>4639788
Don't listen to him, the mild benzo alcohol is the fucking shit.
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Silas Grae - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:36:03 EST ID:9+zsfpsX No.4639814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639730
Fucking that's not a parable that's just a farmer who didn't have an opinion nigga get outta here with that Chinese new year and tomato sauce
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April Hunter - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:39:59 EST ID:J2eEdgda No.4639816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639814
You should be talking to the other guy, I googled it and posted so no one else is confused what he meant. its a cool story too.
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CedricWorryworth.jar - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:38:12 EST ID:YBY8Llj6 No.4639828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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it's cool, guys, don't worry! now that we have a pharma exec as our health secretary, i'm sure we'll find a solution to the opioid crisis!
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Guitarist Edward - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:40:07 EST ID:wea4iTxT No.4639829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639828
>2017
>still thinking that the government is a solution to anything
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Chaz Fable - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:52:44 EST ID:Bklv2RQz No.4639832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639829
>Missing the sarcasm
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Renly Baratheon - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:30:29 EST ID:TdhYdrlA No.4639837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639829
The government is one complicit part of this whole mess. Why would fixing corruption in the government not be a solution to the problem it itself has created?
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Guitarist Edward - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:49:22 EST ID:wea4iTxT No.4639843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639837

The government is composed almost entirely of lowest-common-denominator workers. (SIR! But the compuuutah says right here that you can't ... ) You'll never fix it. They can't even be counted on to properly issue drivers licenses yet people want them to be tasked with providing healthcare and solve all of our societal problems...

So who really cares who is secretary of what. The boots on the ground in any of those departments still are people who would go around all day with their shoelaces untied because tying their shoes isn't explicitly listed in their job description.
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Chaz Fable - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 13:16:58 EST ID:Bklv2RQz No.4639861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639843
>yet people want them to be tasked with providing healthcare...
If the other 36 industrialized countries can do it, then we can too.

>So who really cares who is secretary of what. The boots on the ground in any of those departments still are people who would go around all day with their shoelaces untied because tying their shoes isn't explicitly listed in their job description.
Nah, you're a cunt. The blame doesn't fall to the lowest level workers in federal agencies. The people at the top do have the most impact. If you don't care who is secretary of this or that, then you clearly aren't paying attention to US politics. The EPA is like a different agency now that Scott Pruitt is in charge of it, and the same can be said about education since Betsy DeVos became secretary of education.
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Rekelen - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 13:33:04 EST ID:enWMgrpN No.4639868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
AIDS is only killing black people and gays so that is why there is no urgency
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Guitarist Edward - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 13:35:15 EST ID:wea4iTxT No.4639871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639861

Paying attention to US politics is like paying attention to those tabloid rags in the supermarket. Who really cares? Washington is just hollywood for incessant busybodies.

Sorry to be a downer but I've had enough years on earth now to realize that if the federal government can't even manage to collect taxes accurately and consistently from year to year, then why trust or even just expect them to do anything that they say they'll do? We tried to let them handle peoples' retirements and 70 years later it's turned into a ponzi scam that is leaving senior citizens in abject poverty. Now we wanna let em loose on provisioning healthcare?

Whoop de doo that other "industrialized" countries with a government the size of Delaware can implement social programs for their tiny culturally homogeneous populations, but oh man yeah let's scale it up to a government that is 6 times the size of the russian government and has twenty times as many different ethnic groups! Great fucking idea jackoff why hasn't anybody thought of that before.

"Let's let the government provide every service possible! I want my entire fucking life to feel like a never ending wait in line at the DMV!"

Sorry but the federal gov is a joke and has always been a joke. I don't pay attention to them. I just cut them a check every year for whatever amount their convoluted formula for taxation pulls out of its ass and then I move on with my life. Since I'm an adult I'm free to do so. You're free to jerk off over whichever washington pseudo celebrity is grabbing the headlines for this week, as if it even matters for dick.

>The EPA is like a different agency now that Scott Pruitt is in charge of it

Oh yeah, that's right. The government is even MORE dysfunctional now! Because now we went from just having rooms full of "Not My Job!" people to rooms full of those people, plus those professional martyr drama queens who "leak" passive aggressive memos to the media as if they think they're a sweat shop laborer in the Philippines sewing duress notes into clothing. Give me a fucking break!
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Chaz Fable - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:26:33 EST ID:Bklv2RQz No.4639886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639871
>Paying attention to US politics is like paying attention to those tabloid rags in the supermarket. Who really cares? Washington is just hollywood for incessant busybodies.
Nobody said you have to watch mainstream media and read /pol/, and it's only in your worldview that that's all there is to politics. Why not go check out the library of congress, congress.gov, or find a worthwhile alternative news source. Then again you don't have to follow politics if it isn't your thing, but in that case you should probably avoid making broad assertions about politics, since you're leaping to grandiose conclusions without really knowing if they're correct.

Yeah, the federal government is pretty broken and very corrupt, but it's still a viable avenue for change, much more so than is available to people subsisting under dictatorships and other totalitarian regimes. That's why private interests go to such great lengths to corrupt politicians, because if they don't rig our elections and and lobby for industry-favorable legislation, then the public will have the chance to exercise more control. Your "fuck this I'm out" attitude only makes things worse.

I get where you're coming from regarding social security. I'm not a fan of it, though the previous alternative showed that people are generally too short-sighted to adequately prepare for retirement.

But with healthcare, we're already getting thoroughly raped without government intervention, full on, by the private medical industrial complex. Between the three industries of 1) medical insurance, 2) medical equipment, and 3) pharmaceuticals, we're getting triple-penetrated hard. Our medical system is vastly more expensive than any other, and yet ours is also the only one in the industrialized world to fail to offer healthcare to all of its citizens. This isn't because the US is too big hur (see Russia) or too populous dur (see China), like you claim, and once again it's clear that you don't actually know what you're talking about. Even your brief summary of why Scott Pruitt is bad for the EPA is vague and incorrect, and it's clear your grasping at straws, vaguely trying to define a man who you know nothing about.
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Chaz Fable - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:29:06 EST ID:Bklv2RQz No.4639887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639886
>and it's clear your grasping at straws
>your grasping at straws
>your
I rescind everything I said and concede all points.
nb
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Alexis Soyer - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:35:51 EST ID:jOggFNCC No.4639892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639871
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, and every post yuo make is dumber than the next.
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Paul Jullemier - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:50:40 EST ID:uGh88TlE No.4639895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639871
Question: What do you propose instead of the government?
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Guitarist Edward - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:57:09 EST ID:wea4iTxT No.4639898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639886

Healthcare could be government, private, whatever, and people still wouldn't buy it, and there would still be an underinsurance crisis, because people are just too unintelligent to understand what it is and how it works, plus they don't read. You expect people to read their policies? Christ it's hard enough to get people to read the instructions on how to use their online banking accounts.

There are people out there who literally think you don't need to buy insurance until after you get sick.
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Fred Hoyle - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:01:28 EST ID:/OXGqSp9 No.4639899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639895
more guns!
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Martha Demmlefield - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:37:18 EST ID:0Yi1XLhT No.4639910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639837
Whats in Afghanistan?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan
Why did we invade Afghanistan?
>Afghanistan's opium poppy production goes into more than 90% of heroin worldwide
What happened in the decade following Afghanistan?
>Drug overdoses have since become the leading cause of death of Americans under 50, with two-thirds of those deaths from opioids.
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Roy Nelson - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:45:55 EST ID:KANS3Hnh No.4639911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639910
I find it funny that most americans were fine with it when the war was supposed to be just a good old oil theft, gotta keep those soccermom trucks going somehow. I hope as many americans die as possible
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Andross - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:05:28 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4639917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639911
Osama's stated reasons for 9/11 was to inspire Americans to question their government's foreign policy. What an optimist, that Osama guy.
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Krista Sparks - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:26:11 EST ID:WzL+OtqR No.4639953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639661
what state?
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Luna Lovegood - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:30:53 EST ID:pfWDW9++ No.4639957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639910
I've often said we should subsidize Afghani opium farmers to create both recreational and medical opiates. Then those recreational opiates should be provided for free to anyone who can test positive for opiates. Removes the incentive to get other people into opiates, removes the need to commit crimes and do shady shit to get your fix, removes the money from the hands of criminals, and should eventually remove opiates from the street market (good luck competing with literally free drugs).

But that makes too much sense and needles are scarrryyyyy.
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Luna Lovegood - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:31:55 EST ID:pfWDW9++ No.4639959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639957
Oh and also removes their dependence on terrorist organizations.nb
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Kotan Pa'Dar - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:36:16 EST ID:OzgNtuRi No.4639962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639664
Fighting AIDS through prevention means profits for condom manufacturers
Fighting AIDS through medicine means profits for pharmaceutical companies

It wouldn't surprise me at all if those anti-AIDS PSAs were funded by people in the latex and pharmaceutical industries.

But how do you fight an epidemic that's started by the consumption of a commodity, one that doesn't put a massive financial and resource strain on insurance companies and the medical establishment like tobacco does?

The problem is that there's no profit motive here, at least not yet. The companies that produce these drugs are profiting even when their users die, because people keep getting sick and keep needing the drugs. These companies are also shielded from lawsuits when users die from the drugs (although dealers don't lose criminal liability when their customers end up dead).

We won't see the end of the drug crisis until capital is abolished, all drugs are legalized, and treatment is freely available.
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Chaz Fable - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:45:24 EST ID:Bklv2RQz No.4639966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It just rustles my poppies to see Uncle Sam keeping all the good dope for himself.
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Frankie Edgar - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:06:58 EST ID:ARqARpGW No.4639991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's related the giant elephant in the room: overpopulation. People go down the opiate spiral and by the time they hit bottom and die, compassion for that individual has run its course.

Also related is the whole queer agenda. Homosexuals are much less likely to reproduce.
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RebeccaBruzzlewill.jpeg - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:12:43 EST ID:PnbRI0aa No.4639992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639991
Lol what? Care to explain a little more clearly?
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Anton Dongway - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:15:58 EST ID:HGwITWea No.4639995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639992

I think he means population control by way of drug addiction and homosexuality. Not bad ideas, but not a silver bullet solution
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Kes - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:25:31 EST ID:0wvt4/FB No.4640002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639995
Definitely not silver bullet, but easy to digest. It's a start. I can't imagine how horrific things will get before overpopulation is no longer an issue.
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Arlen Hashbottom - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:32:14 EST ID:Go8jpsC+ No.4640004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639995
c o c k
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Chief Cyril - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:33:52 EST ID:1im/HzGa No.4640005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4640002
Idk man. I mean, we know world leaders are starting to consider and possibly plan means of population control but I don't feel like any methods are being used yet. But you never know.
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Anton Dongway - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:34:20 EST ID:HGwITWea No.4640006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4640002

I mean look at how China deals with that shit. People just throw girl babies in the trash lol.
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Pierre Wynants - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:54:58 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4640048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4640005
You heard of China's (now ended, iiirc, because reasons) one child policy? It's that simple.

In other news, I saw a lecture about overpopulation a while back with Attenborough. He said a great way to handle overpopulation is to focus on education and wealth equality, since better educated and wealthier people categorically have fewer children.
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Walter Baade - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:01:29 EST ID:1A98gqjH No.4640051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639957
> recreational opiates should be provided for free to anyone who can test positive for opiates

Where to begin?

> giving people who have tried opioids unrestricted access to opioids

wat

> people only try opioids because pushers push it on them

wat

> people will eventually never do drugs again if we let them do all the drugs

uh...

> testing positive for drugs made free by subsidy qualifies you for unlimited access to those free drugs

lolwut

> drugs can become free real estate

okay...

This is a magnificently stupid. It would be so unimaginably disasterous to implement such a plan.

Nigga, has you nevah even SEEN what happens to animals, when you let them have as many doses as they want, from an unlimited supply of a high quality addictive substance?

SPOILER: They literally try to do all of the drugs, and it kills them, every single fucking time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Minnesota_primate_research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-administration
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Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:17:24 EST ID:UKIDaXW1 No.4640056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639957
Reducing or eliminating drug profitability isn't going to strangle criminal business models to put gangsters out of business. Organizations will shift patterns, and there will always be suckers to prey upon. Crime predates drug crime, and chart statistics as you must, but gangsters gonna gank.

Petty criminals will likely persist because people doing unlimited drugs will be so fucked by drugs that they'll still steal and pull random shit to support themselves whether the drugs are free or not. Even if drugs are free, life is not, and they'll still be flat broke due to a shit lifestyle.

Even if you end the crackdown, serious criminal elements will keep on keepin on.

The extremely high prison stats, as most understand, is a vast quantity of non-violent middlemen treated as disposable agents of central criminal figures, and a standing population of clientele that consistently need criminal services other than drugs.
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Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 22:29:30 EST ID:UKIDaXW1 No.4640074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4639962
Looking at it from the perspective of a profit motive includes complications that are superfluous. It's like adding a turnstile and a vending machine to get into your own house, to quantify and incentivize yourself to pay your bills on time. Gee, wouldn't that crystalize how profitable your job is, and shed light on the operational expenditures the rent and utilities incur?

It's the wrong kind of strategy to apply, because these concepts don't align with preventing activity. Putting a stop to something is almost always a cost and not a profit. It represents expending energy, to counter nature's pah of least resistance, through effort. Consider jumping off a cliff. Nature wants you to slam into the ground and expend all potential energy as fast as possible, but you'd have to counter that dump of potential energy with an apparatus like a bungee cord, or not jump at all. The bungee cord is costly, not jumping is free, but maybe selling tickets to jump makes the ticket master lots of money, and keeps the bridge clear and the fish well fed in the river below.

Anyway, analogies aside, there's a few economic angles besides profit motive, as far as I can tell:

rendering the supply unavailable, by cutting production, and imprisoning users (no supply? no demand)
cure the disease by killing the patient (if the patient is dead, they're no longer sick, and you can't erase memories which is why one taste is too much, but the dead remember nothing)
treatment. (this is the soft prison, rehab is the white collar crime option but for drugs)
just fucking whatever (letting the fire burn itself out seems to be the real plan behind what's going down, it's almost what legalization would look like, a conflagration of junkies burning themselves to the ground, in front of the whole world, until there are fewer junkies on junkie reservations, than there are indians on indian reservations)
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Alabaster Abernather - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:28:11 EST ID:kLEeMFap No.4640116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4640056
god damn I love pale and petite redheads...
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Marcel Boulestin - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 12:10:03 EST ID:WzL+OtqR No.4640323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Comment>>4640056

But cartels and other criminal orgs reap enormous profits as a direct consequence of the illegality of drugs. Removing that source of funds won't let them operate as a de facto state in Mexico, for example
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Otacon - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 12:42:33 EST ID:vboiEk29 No.4640331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4640323

They already have so much money they could easily buy legal industries. Organised crime in the US didn't disappear with the end of prohibition either.
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Tetra - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:36:57 EST ID:TSTNvouD No.4640375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4639646

There's just too much money involved.

Big Pharma/"the man" makes tons of money off of Suboxone, Methadone, and general inpatient/outpatient programs.

The opioid epidemic is the only strong leg left in the War on Drugs. There's also the whole "CIA sells the shit secretly" argument. There's also all of the money they make from asset forfeiture and raw cash.

Fentalogs are the future of drug use. Imagine when some day we might have interstellar colonies. 1g of pure fent is as strong as 100g of pure morphine, half lives aside. A kilo of this stuff is roughly as powerful as 50kg of pure heroin.

We will never be able to beat the problem. All the govt/the people can do is buy from DNM vendors who send fent test strips with their orders. Let's just hope there isn't a fent analog that doesn't show up on the test. That would be super fucked.


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