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There's only one logical answer by Hugh - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 23:07:36 EST ID:s+KLpPi4 No.4699782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And it's scares everyone.
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EdwardGapperwell.ico - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 23:18:47 EST ID:hbhQMeZV No.4699788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is why religious existentialism focuses on the embracing of the absurd, with the defense that the objective reality is beyond human understanding, that reason and empiricism only apply to a finite portion of the infinite.
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Martin Brorrydale - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 23:23:09 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4699790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4699788
why should the incomprehensible concern us?
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EdwardGapperwell.ico - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 23:48:47 EST ID:hbhQMeZV No.4699800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4699790
because the incomprehensible is concerned with us.
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Roger Huerta - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 23:48:48 EST ID:T5WQ2mbi No.4699801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4699790
cuz I think it's cool

if you don't that's cool to

but at some point you gotta get right down to it and admit that everything in life is absurd

it's up to each to decide whether or not the novelty of absurdity is worth the suffering of existence, and that's basically the only important decision you'll ever make in life
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Jarvis Sozzlelutch - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 23:49:45 EST ID:ji/ZlIFr No.4699802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Congratulations, you've just figured out what it means to be alive. As >>4699788 so logical stated, the only conclusion one can draw is that the self will never fully understand the existence it inhabits. Positive emotions exist to remind us that we don't need to. Negative emotions drive most of us to try and fill in the gaps. Religion has nothing to do with it.

I get the feeling this thread is heading towards Vulcan-esque "logic is superior" dribble, so let me stop that right here. Read the news lately? Everyone wants to kill each other. Why? They're scared, but "logic" is telling them murder will make the scary go away.

To quote John Goodman in The Big Lebowski: "Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
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Fred Whipple - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 23:59:46 EST ID:m16oFrTe No.4699804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would say that lazy, hasty, or incomplete logic leads to nihilism. And it only scares people who are of slightly above average intelligence, when they fear they simply haven't the time, motivation, or self respect/confidence to come up with an original idea that explains what conventional theories and ideologies fail to answer for them. It scares people who can't reconcile with the fact that absolute knowledge is a myth, and that (what I would call) a comfortable compromise of certainty is neither the same as blind faith, or paranoid scepticism. If we can't prove that life or existence has reason or meaning, that doesn't indicate that there is none to be found. It indicates that we don't know everything, and that therefore, we could much less prove that there *isn't* reason or meaning to be understood.
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Martin Brorrydale - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 00:07:06 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4699805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4699800
well how can you know that? it's incomprehensible!
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Martin Brorrydale - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 00:09:56 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4699809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4699804
do you need meaning? i mean come on. when life is good, you don't go on about meaning and existentialism. "goddammit why is the sky so fucking blue"

i think the quest for meaning is a basic physiological syndrome, like being hungry for pancakes or whatever.
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Enabran Tain - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 00:10:49 EST ID:3adIcb56 No.4699810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4699790
Because it's infinite and encompasses everything. I sometimes think harmony cannot be a pleasant experience, but I'm not sure.
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Martin Brorrydale - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 00:13:30 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4699811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4699810
good point. i suppose it's dynamic, like everything else. sometimes more comprehensible, sometimes less.

i think of harmony as dissolution. two entities sacrifice themselves to each other and become something else.
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Michael Schiavello - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 00:28:08 EST ID:kHHR4HEL No.4699815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Fred Whipple - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 01:46:11 EST ID:m16oFrTe No.4699860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4699809
I genuinely enjoy thinking about shit critically. I don't understand how it must be such an outlandish concept to you that some people like to think about what makes good things good. Not everyone reserves philosophy and analysis for when life turns to shit.
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Chen Kenmin - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:31:28 EST ID:yy7lrmVW No.4700684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4699811
huh, I never made the connection between harmony and dissolution, but I totally agree with that.
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Thrax - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:52:30 EST ID:kHHR4HEL No.4700690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4700684
What is this?
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Chen Kenmin - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:37:20 EST ID:yy7lrmVW No.4700698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700690
An enneagram apparently, just looked it up.
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Tatsuya Kawajiri - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 00:14:24 EST ID:xgVlGeji No.4700703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nihilism is just one stage in the dialectic. It's when you realize everything you've been told is a lie, that you're a hopeless slave and the world is full of horrible people and suffering. It's a reactionary state of being to the false sense of security you once had. You either say fuck it and spend the rest of your life being miserable, thinking the truth doesn't matter and every action is futile, or you continue using logic to pursue truth and discover that there really is an objective truth to all things, and with the truth comes hope, a reason to exist, a reason not to fuck people over. You realize the purpose of existence is evolution, in a much bigger sense than just the scientific definition. You realize the potential that everything has to become divine and godlike. With this evolution eventually all things become the masters of their own destiny. There is no suffering for those who control their fate, until we choose to forget and start over.

Logic leads to truth, but in order for that to happen it must destroy the illusion. It must deconstruct everything. It must revalue all values. That's the cause of nihilism. Nietzsche went through this, and people who don't understand Nietzsche don't realize he eventually thought his way out of it and tried to provide a cure to others. Many famous philosophers went through similar.

The ultimate truth is a feeling of love and connection with all things, then profound awe, then emotionless. There is no reason to despair, you simply understand everything, why it's happening and where it's going. You realize there is no escape, you have always existed and "nothingness" cannot exist. You choose to become a master of your Self and your universe. You choose to help others along their path because you remember what it was like to be ignorant and hopeless, because you want to be around other enlightened people and further the evolution of all things

TLDR nihilism is lame
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Fanny Craddock - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 02:22:46 EST ID:GaraCjmf No.4700723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4700703
>nihilism is lame
>through logic you'll eventually believe in god
>don't believe in god huh? probably didn't think "logically" enough about it
>no I can't help you, some famous thinkers believed in god btw did you know that? anyway take your time, think"logically", and you'll believe in god don't worry bout it
please no one tell this guy that the sense of universal onemess is just another state the brain can be in, it isn't more real or true than nihilism or anything else.
fuck it believing in a higher power while not being religious feels good. keel at it bro, nvm.
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Rolando Mota - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 02:27:41 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4700726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700703
>There is no reason to despair, you simply understand everything, why it's happening and where it's going.

I'm pretty sure that's the opposite conclusion to what most of those famous philosophers came up with.
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Swimmer♀ Clara - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 02:31:11 EST ID:KSHiE0JJ No.4700729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700723
Some things are more real than others even if you don't know about them. Blessed are those who felt the truth.
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Fanny Craddock - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 02:36:59 EST ID:GaraCjmf No.4700730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700729
>dude there's a god just trust me ok
>dude I felt things, me, personally, I, had a totally subjective experience and now I know the truth
>sorry you don't believe in god bro, guess you just don't get it
>maybe think more logically about it
>or just feel it
>nah you know what just trust me on this I felt things bro don't forget
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Tatsuya Kawajiri - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 02:48:29 EST ID:xgVlGeji No.4700731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700723
You are a perfect example of nihilists being negative little shits who want to suck the life out of everything and drag everyone down to their level of misery/laziness.

Who the fuck said anything about "believing" in god? Nothing said anything about believing in some mysterious benevolent deity. It talked about there being objective truth. Do you deny objective truth? Science? It talked about evolution. Do you deny evolution? Do you deny evolution and technology are giving us the power to have total control over our environments, because of LOGIC?

Ah, it was "feeling of love and connection with all things" that triggered you wasn't it? "Love" in particular, since you have none. It wasn't negative enough for you I guess. It's not like we're all built out of the same base elements that exist everywhere in the universe which all came from the same singularity at one point in time, or evolved from the same basic species billions of years ago, or revolving around the same sun revolving around the same galaxy. Nah it's just a "state the brain can be in".

Maybe you wouldn't be so miserable if you tried using your brain for something other than deconstructing the "beliefs" of people who know far more than you.
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Edward Barnard - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 02:50:49 EST ID:cE5BaX/v No.4700732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700731
dude, it's simple

nihilism = I know everything but I can't do anything
which is obviously not possibly true

nihilists are lost and probably hopeless
this place breeds nihilism

the moderation here selects for it and drives away all true life
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William Herschel - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:03:36 EST ID:Vw/z4lpC No.4700734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The thing about nihilism is that if it's all about not believing, why believe you gotta stay true to nihilism.
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Tatsuya Kawajiri - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:04:17 EST ID:xgVlGeji No.4700735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700732
Yeah you're right, but speaking your mind sometimes helps organize your thoughts, especially when you're going to be scrutinized by people who think the opposite. Besides, I think there are always a few open-minded people who can gain a thing or two by reading them even if they don't agree completely, and every once in a while there can be a decent debate where I might learn something too.
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Thorsday Cuntmuff - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:26:45 EST ID:t46mBDSN No.4700740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4700734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo3zAdXM4Tk
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Fanny Craddock - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:26:53 EST ID:GaraCjmf No.4700741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700731
>You are a perfect example of nihilists being negative little shits who want to suck the life out of everything and drag everyone down to their level of misery/laziness.
I act and say what I've logically concluded, I don't "want" anything - unlike you. see, you spiritualists (and yeah I know you don't like me calling you that because you'd prefer it if I gave in to your delusion of being above beliefs so YOU know the truth - but it's what you are) and religious people as well, want others thinking like you, believing what you believe because it makes your ego feel good.
>Who the fuck said anything about "believing" in god? Nothing said anything about believing in some mysterious benevolent deity. It talked about there being objective truth. Do you deny objective truth? Science? It talked about evolution. Do you deny evolution? Do you deny evolution and technology are giving us the power to have total control over our environments, because of LOGIC?
Oh sorry, you call it "oneness". we're waves in the ocean but we're also the ocean so we have to do X/Y/Z and think X/Y/Z. oh wait it's actually god and religion masquerading as pseudo-science.
no I don't deny these things - I deny yoyr conclusions or that these things imply I need to think or act in a certain way.
can you prove that yoyr conclusions based on these facts are true? nope.
>Ah, it was "feeling of love and connection with all things" that triggered you wasn't it?
yes, I'm triggered by semi-religious bullshit that aims to use my lufe energy for the purposes of someone else's subjective beliefs in general. I'm weird like that.
>"Love" in particular, since you have none. It wasn't negative enough for you I guess.
I thought truth was objective - why would my personal feelings matter? oh wait, shit...
>It's not like we're all built out of the same base elements that exist everywhere in the universe which all came from the same singularity at one point in time, or evolved from the same basic species billions of years ago, or revolving around the same sun revolving around the same galaxy. Nah it's just a "state the brain can be in".
no, your conclusions from this is the brain state. we're made of star stuff. so is shit. so? why should I think/act in a certain way because science can explain how we evolved?
>Maybe you wouldn't be so miserable if you tried using your brain for something other than deconstructing the "beliefs" of people who know far more than you.
and here we go with the arrogance - typical. "kniw", yeah you, the enlightened one, knoews things. didn't you say nihilism was the end result of deconstruction? you've just stopped in the middle because going further threathens yoyr fragile ego. maybe you don't "know", maybe those scientific facts don't mean anything about us as individuals in a philosophical sense, maybe it means different things than what you concluded - but naaaah I'm just a negative miserable person.
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Georges-Henri Lemaitre - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:50:26 EST ID:zI5vg41l No.4700742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There probably isn't a chain of reasoning that one can demonstrate to show that "logic leads to nihilism."

This is what ya call a deepity. Or, put differently, an attempt at profundity when there isn't one to be had. And it comes off as an angsty holden caulfield type argument.

You could just as easily say that logic leads to existentialism. And there would be just as thin amount of proof.

So yea: tl;dr the edge is strong with this one
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Thorsday Cuntmuff - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:52:07 EST ID:t46mBDSN No.4700743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Nihilism.

It's a blast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB5ceAruYrI
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Richter Bellemont - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:55:09 EST ID:bXjto5lB No.4700744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean sure... but absurdism is so much more fun in the short(long)term.
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Thorsday Cuntmuff - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 04:29:14 EST ID:t46mBDSN No.4700748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Chicks dig me 'cuz I'm such a nihilist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
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Vickie Guerrero - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 04:36:25 EST ID:h5cgXFnX No.4700750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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the problem that i have with nihilism is that it builds it crux (there is no truth) on something it claims is valueless (logic). its so recursive, but in such a half assed way. Just go all out and you really will see classical concepts of God and divine spheres emerging. But yall gonna wanna fight me on that cos ur some spaghetti monster faggots who don't understand "God" from any perspective that isn't 'hurr durr man on cloud i got molested in sunday school.' Im talkin bout that "God is a perfect being and because perfection is a facet of existence, God must exist." in the same way you could say "Nothingness is absolutely void and therefor could have never existed," which i think is a very similar statement and kinda beautiful in its own way

the universe is all semantics. there is clearly something there, even if it is just points of data when u remove all context. but rly, u can't even remove all context, but u can't even do that. as shown by nihilist's half assed, half recursive proofs.
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Tatsuya Kawajiri - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 04:53:05 EST ID:xgVlGeji No.4700755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700741
>I act and say what I've logically concluded
You haven't explained any logic whatsoever. All you've done is accuse me of believing in god or something. One accusation that bares no resemblance to anything I've said and has zero logic, apparently.

>I don't "want" anything - unlike you
What do I want? I shared a few philosophical thoughts about the thread topic. What do YOU want? You're the one who got offended and felt so compelled to call me out on whatever you think I believe. Your narrative is that there is no god and I'm trying to control people with my religious beliefs. YOUR ego is fragile. I'm just defending myself. So tell me again who really "wants" something out of this?

>you spiritualists and religious people want others thinking like you, believing what you believe because it makes your ego feel good
You're literally trying to force people to believe what you believe and accusing me of the same thing. You haven't produced a single word of your so called "truth" for people to decide for themselves. All you do is attack what I say and tell me -I- shouldn't believe.

>Oh sorry, you call it "oneness"
"Oneness" was never mentioned. You're taking things out of context that vaguely remind you of something you think a "New-Ager" would say, and putting me in the same basket. Nonsense.

>can you prove that yoyr conclusions based on these facts are true? nope.
Well that's difficult considering I never said any of the things you accuse me of saying. Nor did I ever "imply you need to think or act in a certain way.". Can you point to a single thing I said telling anyone what to think or do?

>yes, I'm triggered by semi-religious bullshit that aims to use my lufe energy for the purposes of someone else's subjective beliefs in general
So a feeling of awe and connectedness to my environment, rather than spending my time in existential despair, is apparently the same as being a religious zealot, and is also a "belief"? And how does that "belief" aim to steal your life energy? You could have just ignored it right? But you need somebody to blame for your misery.

>we're made of star stuff. so is shit. so? why should I think/act in a certain way because science can explain how we evolved?
I never told you to think/act any way except to stop being so bitter and projecting your misery on other people(after you attacked me), but that's your choice. My "conclusions" are that instead of focusing on how much everything sucks I look at how amazing reality is. This "sense" and truth go hand in hand. One leads to the other and vice versa, because logic is what defines everything. Logic IS the connectedness. You will never realize this because you are killing your own motivation and inspiration. The brain doesn't work well in that state in case you haven't noticed.

Face it. You got triggered by the word "love". You're a sad individual and you have major issues coping with reality. For all your hatred of religion, look at where your "truth" has gotten you. Maybe you should hate what you've become and stop blaming everyone else.
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Fanny Craddock - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 04:58:05 EST ID:GaraCjmf No.4700756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700750
of course you're gonna explain this to yourself in a way that protects your ego the most.
>there IS a god, it's just that you don't define it in a right way - that's the problem. YOU define god for sure in really dumb terms, you MUST think it's a "bearded man in the sky" which is why you don't believe. if you described god in a smart way like enlightened ol' me, you will also believe just like I do. so do that. I'm nothing like a religious person btw you dumb dawkins reader lol
>"God is a perfect being and because perfection is a facet of existence, God must exist."
Perfection is not a facet of existence, or at least there is no sufficient scientific proof to say that. interweaving scientific processes exist, we're and everything else are the result of that. yes we exist, yes we experience etc. doesn't mean there's something behind the experience which implies we should act/think in a certain way or which is "the truth".
>in the same way you could say "Nothingness is absolutely void and therefor could have never existed," which i think is a very similar statement and kinda beautiful in its own way
and which also doesn't imply anything about any rules of existence just like previous statement. they're aesthetically pleasing statements though, I'll give you that.
>the universe is all semantics. there is clearly something there, even if it is just points of data when u remove all context.
so? if something is there it doesn't mean it's anything from which you could get a set of rules on how to live or any answers.
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Thorsday Cuntmuff - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:05:41 EST ID:t46mBDSN No.4700757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f2g4RMfhS0
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Princess Zelda - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:13:26 EST ID:eYzeX5P3 No.4700761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700755
>You haven't explained any logic whatsoever. All you've done is accuse me of believing in god or something. One accusation that bares no resemblance to anything I've said and has zero logic, apparently.
>there really is an objective truth to all things, and with the truth comes hope, a reason to exist, a reason not to fuck people over. You realize the purpose of existence is evolution, in a much bigger sense than just the scientific definition. You realize the potential that everything has to become divine and godlike. With this evolution eventually all things become the masters of their own destiny.
You're talking about being connected to a sort of source of truth which makes you live life (think and act) in a certain way. You can describe your god in an convoluted terms you want - at the end of the day you believe in something bigger than you for/through which you think and act in a certain way. So - god.
>What do I want? I shared a few philosophical thoughts about the thread topic.
So did I - then you attacked me.
>What do YOU want? You're the one who got offended and felt so compelled to call me out on whatever you think I believe. Your narrative is that there is no god and I'm trying to control people with my religious beliefs. YOUR ego is fragile. I'm just defending myself. So tell me again who really "wants" something out of this?
You do - you say that through logic we're supposed to reach the conclusion there's a "true" source, believing in which will make us see the bigger picture and act/think differently. I'm saying that scientific conclusions of the sort you're talking about don't mean the conclusions you think they do.
>Oh sorry, you call it "oneness"
"Oneness" was never mentioned. You're taking things out of context that vaguely remind you of something you think a "New-Ager" would say, and putting me in the same basket. Nonsense.
Not the word but you're talking about how because we're part of this process of evolution we need to feel/see certain things. This IS oneness, same thing.
>Well that's difficult considering I never said any of the things you accuse me of saying. Nor did I ever "imply you need to think or act in a certain way.". Can you point to a single thing I said telling anyone what to think or do?
Of course:
>The ultimate truth is a feeling of love and connection with all things, then profound awe, then emotionless. There is no reason to despair, you simply understand everything, why it's happening and where it's going. You realize there is no escape, you have always existed and "nothingness" cannot exist. You choose to become a master of your Self and your universe. You choose to help others along their path
>yes, I'm triggered by semi-religious bullshit that aims to use my lufe energy for the purposes of someone else's subjective beliefs in general
So a feeling of awe and connectedness to my environment, rather than spending my time in existential despair, is apparently the same as being a religious zealot, and is also a "belief"? And how does that "belief" aim to steal your life energy? You could have just ignored it right? But you need somebody to blame for your misery.
>I never told you to think/act any way
>instead of focusing on how much everything sucks I look at how amazing reality is. This "sense" and truth go hand in hand. One leads to the other and vice versa, because logic is what defines everything. Logic IS the connectedness. You will never realize this because you are killing your own motivation and inspiration. The brain doesn't work well in that state in case you haven't noticed.
So you see reality in a subjective way just like me, then you say that once you accept that scientific processes are interconnected, we're the result of them etc. you need to start feeling a certain way.
>Face it. You got triggered by the word "love". You're a sad individual and you have major issues coping with reality. For all your hatred of religion, look at where your "truth" has gotten you. Maybe you should hate what you've become and stop blaming everyone else.
No - you're an arrogant individual who thinks he found truth while all you did was choose a state of mind and stuck to it. Just like me and "nihilists" and everyone else - YOU can't cope with the fact the acting the exact opposite of you is not more or less illogical and that your truth isn't truth, you just feel things, choose to see reality as amazing, it feels nice so you stick to it, then try to share your "knowledge" in an attempt to convert others to this worldview.
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Seong Mi-na - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:14:48 EST ID:T5WQ2mbi No.4700762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700732
man I was totally with you until you went all BH schizo about the mods like some refugee
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Tatsuya Kawajiri - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:23:39 EST ID:xgVlGeji No.4700765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700756

>of course you're gonna explain this to yourself in a way that protects your ego the most.
Just so you know, the guy you're responding to is not the guy you started the debate with. That's me. And this >>4700755 was my response. But I'll bite

>Perfection is not a facet of existence, or at least there is no sufficient scientific proof to say that.
Define "perfection". I'd say perfection is just logic. Logic operates perfectly. Something that doesn't operate according to logic cannot exist, unless you believe in absurdism or something. 1+1=2. There is no "god" who has a "perfect" design in mind where everything works out and suffering is all an illusion for some mysterious cause. You don't need scientific proof to realize that. It's pretty obvious to anyone who hasn't had a perfect life.

>interweaving scientific processes exist, we're and everything else are the result of that. yes we exist, yes we experience etc. doesn't mean there's something behind the experience which implies we should act/think in a certain way or which is "the truth".
"The truth" is the "interweaving scientific processes" that result in everything that exists. You either believe everything is structured and scientific or you don't. What you say is a complete contradiction. Logic causality implies object truth necessarily. Obviously "truth" is not truth until it is perfectly refined and understood. Until then it's just an interpretation. That doesn't mean the ultimate truth doesn't exist. 1+1=2

>so? if something is there it doesn't mean it's anything from which you could get a set of rules on how to live or any answers.
Here is your problem. Nobody here has said anything about "living perfectly" or following "the rules of god". You're on a completely different topic and projecting the dogma of religion on everything we say. However, you can get the answers. If truth exists and everything happens according to the laws of logic then why would the answers be impossible to get? Nobody said it would be easy. You take what you know and build on it using logic until more and more answers become clear. Are you just giving up or something?
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Vickie Guerrero - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:36:33 EST ID:h5cgXFnX No.4700768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700756
then perfection means something different to you than the person who wrote that proof initially. science is a whole nother language from metaphysics and philosophy.

also, i am definitely a religious person lol, i never denied that. Christian even. Just not for the reasons that nearly everyone in these type of forums rabidly and aptly tend to assume so. it's always just a distraction when i do bring it up, but it is hard to really describe my worldview without referencing some kind of ascetic/transcendent perfect state of being which is omnipresent in all things, and God is the only word i know for that. Platonic forms is like a similar concept i guess? but not really the same.
I don't think i'm exceptionally wise, im a pretty huge dumbass about a lot of stuff, but it is incredibly disheartening to me to be continually reminded that most of my peers really do seem to think that the beardy sky man fairy tails is all their ancestors believed in.


None of my points were about rules to live by or answers, but i guess the "aesthetic pleasure" of them is sort of the point of the statements. i know im not great with forming cohesive arguments (sorry lol), but i really do think that if there is any "point" in life, it is recursive and inherent. which is why i think a pragmatic/scientific approach to understanding the big 'why' of things is kind of a silly approach to begin with, and will always end in the sort of self-breaking dogma that OP outlines. What is the universe except aesthetics? what else can you even percieve except sensations? even meaning is just a feeling. that's why i focus on recursion rather than looking for an objective "context" which has never and will never be found.
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Princess Zelda - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 06:15:00 EST ID:eYzeX5P3 No.4700781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700765
>Define "perfection". I'd say perfection is just logic. Logic operates perfectly. Something that doesn't operate according to logic cannot exist, unless you believe in absurdism or something. 1+1=2. There is no "god" who has a "perfect" design in mind where everything works out and suffering is all an illusion for some mysterious cause. You don't need scientific proof to realize that. It's pretty obvious to anyone who hasn't had a perfect life.
Exactly - but you still insist on drawing meaning and life energy from that simple fact of existence. Why? To me, that's the same as belief in god.
>"The truth" is the "interweaving scientific processes" that result in everything that exists. You either believe everything is structured and scientific or you don't.
That's not something you "believe" in - that's fact. What YOU and the other poster/s believe in is that because of that fact we need to feel connected to everything, feel a sense of awe, and the result of all that is love to all that exists. To you that is all part of that fact - but it's not, it's your personal conclusions and interpretations, which I do not accept. For example just because the atoms out of which I'm constructed are the same atoms starts were constructed from before I came into being doesn't mean that I'm anything special. Yes this is how I came into being. No I don't need to feel that I'M part of the whole or feel anything about that really. How I feel or interpret that fact is a choice.
>Here is your problem. Nobody here has said anything about "living perfectly" or following "the rules of god".
>However, you can get the answers.
So there IS a "truth", there IS an "answer" - so there's a god. If everything follows the rules of logic then I can build a whole cosmological picture of existence and how everything came into being, on a physical/biological level. Drawing any philosophical conclusions from that about how to see yourself or what is around you and how to feel (awe, connectedness, love) are, to me, the "rules of god".
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Emma Dunderhood - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 06:20:03 EST ID:i+/IM0dL No.4700782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Jesus take it to /pss/ faggots
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Paul Thalamas - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 06:28:14 EST ID:nptIO26K No.4700785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700782
social media users' need to have instant replies and feedback on everything they post anywhere on the internet and this craving for immediate attention leads them to post absolutely everything on /b/.
its not all that bad though because the older more sophisticated users who still go to the specialty boards and wish to have drawn out in-depth explorations of their favorite topics don't get intruded upon by the shallow minded retards who's only desire is to see how many replies "my thread" got.
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Caroline Hassleshaw - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 06:50:02 EST ID:9GtMvdr1 No.4700786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Solipsism trumps nihilism, and everything else.
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Vera Rubiin - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 06:55:01 EST ID:qWRvGccv No.4700787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700786
It's true cause he said so
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Thrax - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 07:39:38 EST ID:kHHR4HEL No.4700795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700787
Well he's the only person who exists, so yeah.
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Arno Penzias - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:10:58 EST ID:m16oFrTe No.4700825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you sincerely subscribe to nihilism, my recommendation is to kill yourself. Not because I don't like you, but because according to your insistent rejection of meaning or value, it shouldn't matter to you or anyone, right? You could be a pioneer of LOGIC and prove that everyone else is laboring under futility. Ultimately, neither good nor bad exist under nihilism, so you'd make the perfect experimental subject to prove it. Or maybe you could let people torture you to illustrate how pain is as meaningless as anything else. In a laboratory setting, we can have you shoot your own family dead one by one, and demonstrate how logically your brain responds by looking at an fMRI. We expect there should be no increase in activity in any areas other than those responsible for motor coordination.
Of course, if nothing has inherent value, then there really is no point in telling people that. It will make nobody's lives any richer, more fulfilling, or aware. And you can use that convenient excuse to get out of the study.
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Jesse Neal - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:19:48 EST ID:XqssNJRt No.4700826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nihilism is what young adults go through when they aren't given a moral system to build a life on
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Fanny Craddock - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:22:06 EST ID:GaraCjmf No.4700827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700826
>nihilism is the natural state unless you've been brainwashed
ftfy
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Urbain Dubois - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:36:54 EST ID:BowkiUKZ No.4700829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700826
No you fucking retard.

Nihilism is what religious people go through when they find out there is no god and since their entire moral system depends on a god, they lose their moral system.

Read some fucking Nietzsche you retarded American cocksucker.
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J. J. Abrams - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:39:22 EST ID:0aj+VgwV No.4700831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! AAAHAHAHAHH


AAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH HHH!!!!!!!!
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Thrax - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:39:33 EST ID:kHHR4HEL No.4700833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700826
Nihilism is what consumers go through when they realize that the world isn't like the movies they've seen
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IanBillyhall.pm6 - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:40:39 EST ID:9EFKGFO5 No.4700834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
emotions are natural, you cant just wish them away.
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Youngster Nicholas - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:45:38 EST ID:XEIqyJ2L No.4700843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700834
Confront em, think carefully about why you feel that way, process, move on.

It's crazy how long it takes us to figure this out but you really do have to confront what you feel on a regular basis or else you end up feeling these emotions low-key all the time. It's like having a massive weight on you at all times. Our natural instinct is to ignore and suppress and deal with it another day.

But someday never comes
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Thrax - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:49:44 EST ID:kHHR4HEL No.4700848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700843
It's like realizing your own coding. It's kinda hard when you're running a program and you're only noticing what the program makes you see. Gotta pull up the command console.
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Reginald Windsor - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:12:16 EST ID:omLvc+8F No.4700868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700848
More like write your own decompiler
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Link Shitrider - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:21:32 EST ID:lKQZAyca No.4700922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700825
Or you know, you could just not do any of that shit and enjoy your meaningless existence to it's fullest.

What are you, fucking retarded or something? I swear, you basically can't have a discussion about nihilism on the internet. It brings out the pseudo-intellectuals in full force. Protip: nihilism is not the low hanging fruit you think it is.
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Urbain Dubois - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:23:39 EST ID:BowkiUKZ No.4700924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700833
You know, if you consider media the new religion, this still fits Nietzsche'd definition. A+, you're a pass kid.
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Petronella Stubblystitching - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:24:59 EST ID:3AGv/XUg No.4700928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700843

Sometimes the form of oppression is in confrontation, asking why and knowing how is useful but if you keep asking why and not knowing, maybe that becomes a problem on its own where all of the time you focus on not understanding yourself.
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Arno Penzias - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:39:20 EST ID:m16oFrTe No.4700940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700922
It absolutely is the low hanging fruit. If existence is meaningless, then the enjoyment is equally so. Why bother to enjoy things if the enjoyment is meaningless? Nihilism would imply that enjoyment- like everything else- has no intrinsic value.
The most important question I have is, if you truly believe in the concept of nihilism (the philosophical viewpoint that suggests the denial or lack of belief towards the reputedly meaningful aspects of life), then what is the importance of that belief? Clearly, dedicated nihilists have strong feelings that they should believe that existence is meaningless and without value, and that they should try to convince other people of this fact. Why is it so important to believe that life is meaningless when that belief would render itself meaningless as well? People who claim to believe that there is no reason for anything have some reason to believe or claim to believe that. It's a philosophy which defeats itself in the very act of being embraced.
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Creaton Jiveturkey - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:39:40 EST ID:TMwBPs64 No.4700942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4700868
>decompiler
disassembly can translate machine code into assembly, which is nominally human readable, but if any C optimizations (such as unrolling loops, automatic vectorization, inter-procedural operations like link-time optimization (via linkers such as Gold.ld) etc.) will all obfuscate what the intended code was.
You can't really get back to the high level language from compiled binaries, just get to what instructions get called to the stack, and as such lose the abstraction structures that led to those assembly instructions.

tbh it can be easier to watch a program running with a debugger to see what it's doing than to use a decompiler for code analysis; it's a lot easier to treat the binary as a black box and see what system calls are being made.
for example, in FreeBSD, when cp (copy) is copying a file, you can trace the system calls, which are in order:
>lstat // to get the filesystem information about the original file
>umask // to set permission of newly created file
>fstatat // get more file status from original file
>stat // attempts to find information about new file and if there is no file returns ERR#2
>openat // touches the original file (read only)
>openat // touches the new file (write only, creates the actual file in filesystem tree)
>mmap // maps the entirety of original file into memory
>write // writes from memory into the new file
>close // returns 0 for correct operation and non-zero for error (goes to either STDOUT or STDERR)

Compared to decompiles, stack traces of the program from kernel are usually a lot more human readable
Excuse my autism.
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Rocket Phoebe - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:44:01 EST ID:XWjGm/g7 No.4700947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4700833

This salvages the thread
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Reginald Windsor - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:44:26 EST ID:omLvc+8F No.4700949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700942
Always nice to learn something potentially useless, thanks
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Urbain Dubois - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:52:34 EST ID:BowkiUKZ No.4700959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700940
Because, as I explained here:
>>4700829
Nihilism is an offshoot of religion. It's a religion without God. It's not a logical philosophy. Nietzsche's entire body of work can basically be summed up as being anti-nihilist.
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Creaton Jiveturkey - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:52:38 EST ID:TMwBPs64 No.4700960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700949
calling stack traces is potentially useful
for instance for the longest time you could just redirect character device /dev/zero to Steam's anticheat and it would just read your zeroes as valid input allowing you to hook DirectX as you pleased without real repercussions until a human actually pulls logs.

Basically, all 'hacks' are buffer overruns or non-sanitized input pushed onto the processor stack such as this.
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Cain Velasquez - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 11:59:45 EST ID:0QG5VeEu No.4700969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>nihilism is x
>no retard, nihilism is y
>AGUHAGAHUGAHU YOU FLAMING FAGGOT, NIHILISM IS Z

what a shit thread
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Link Shitrider - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:02:02 EST ID:lKQZAyca No.4700976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4700940
Maybe we don't need meaning to enjoy things. What would I know though, I'm not some /psy/'d up pseudo intellectual talking about shit that he doesn't understand on the internet.

>The most important question I have is, if you truly believe in the concept of nihilism (the philosophical viewpoint that suggests the denial or lack of belief towards the reputedly meaningful aspects of life), then what is the importance of that belief?

Whats the importance of any belief? What's the importance of any individual worldview or ideology? Does something need to be 'important' for you to believe it? I get that you're all butthurt and salty that there are people who don't believe all of the airy fairy shit that you do, but try to see it from my perspective. If concepts like 'the meaning of life' are actually real things that exist objectively, then why can't you prove that it exists? I'm not going to say I'm a hardcore nihilist or anything. I do believe that it's likely that there is something resembling 'truth' or 'reality' out there. And at the very least, it's paid off big time to investigate reality and try to discern the truth scientifically. So go right ahead and prove that there's a god or prove that there's some kind of inherent objective purpose to your existence. It's on you, it's not on anyone else. Just don't get offended and frustrated when you realise you're not capable of proving it. What even is meaning, really? Like, how can you even believe it's some real objective thing? By definition, meaning is a subjective phenomenon. Words have meanings, patterns have meanings, but only as part of a subjective framework. The fact that word X = definition X doesn't exist outside of the human mind. Why should something like the meaning of life exist outside your mind either? Nobody's saying you can't discard the notion of some god-given objective purpose that you have to do or you fail life while at the same time dedicating yourself to some personal subjective purpose. Can you prove that the concept of meaning exists independent of the mind? The whole thing seems to rely on the idea that there's some creator who has designed us with a specific purpose in mind. What's the purpose of a clock? To tell the time. How do we know? Because we invented clocks. But if you want to insist that someone 'invented' us instead of life on earth coming about as a result of natural processes, you'd have to prove that too.

In short, all you're doing is attacking a carefully constructed strawman. You have absolutely nothing to back yourself up and you're just naive if you think the thing you're attacking is a low hanging fruit. What you're doing is the low hanging fruit of philosophy: just believing whatever makes you feel happy. And feel free to do that all you want, just don't bother dragging your ass into every online half-stoned philosophy debate that catches your eye because you're just gonna get more butthurt, more closed minded and more grounded in your prejudices. You're also going to look like a pseudo intellectual fag, but we've already covered that.
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Creaton Jiveturkey - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:05:00 EST ID:TMwBPs64 No.4700979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700969
it is worth noting that nihilism had two historical meanings: the anarchist movement in late-czarist Russia that sought active destruction of all social norms, and the 'disease' of passive nihilism as noted by Nietzsche.

Defining terms is important (but in this case has devolved into arguing and omphaloskeptic dialogue)
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Arno Penzias - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:11:27 EST ID:m16oFrTe No.4700992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700976
>Whats the importance of any belief? What's the importance of any individual worldview or ideology? Does something need to be 'important' for you to believe it?
I'm not sure what you think you're trying to say. This subject seems very important to you. If you're not so invested in the importance of your beliefs, then it should be inconsequential that I disagree with you.
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Link Shitrider - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:17:05 EST ID:lKQZAyca No.4700997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700992
It's already inconsequential if you disagree with me. And the subject is important enough to me for me to want to talk about it with a bunch hippie faggots on 420chan. I don't see what you're getting at now. Do you have trouble distinguishing between subjective and objective? Everyone has personal interests, everyone has different things with various levels of importance to them. The problem only arises when you claim that the importance of these subjective thoughts should transcend the human mind and become objective things. Gotta back that shit up if you're gonna claim it. If you think that the meaning of life is X and that means it should be the most important thing in everyone's life just because you say so, that's good for you, but I have no reason to blindly follow you and buy into your baseless claims about reality.
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Winston Zeddmore - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:27:50 EST ID:CNYEaJ1U No.4701007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700976
>Maybe we don't need meaning to enjoy things
>maybe we don't need any understanding of a thing in order to use it
this is how retarded you are
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Winston Zeddmore - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:32:29 EST ID:CNYEaJ1U No.4701010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700976
>asking series of questions without trying to answer any of them and just confusing yourself into giving up
yep, it's nihilism, choice ideology of the mentally fucking retarded

judaism -> consumerism -> nihilism
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Link Shitrider - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:33:22 EST ID:lKQZAyca No.4701011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>meaning means the same thing as understanding
>enjoying things is using things
>subjective meaning is objective

And this is how retarded you are.
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Link Shitrider - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:36:44 EST ID:lKQZAyca No.4701014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701010
>unable to understand the the questions were actually posed at you to prove you are unable to answer them
>unable to point out any flaws in my argument or provide a counterargument of your own
>"da joos"

I honestly do find it hilarious how you people like to act so high and mighty when you essentially argue like children and resort to name calling in lieu of an actual argument. I'm not sure if you could possibly get any more pretentious.
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Arno Penzias - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:37:21 EST ID:m16oFrTe No.4701015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4700997
Why are you not out there- what did you suggest- "enjoying your meaningless existence to it's fullest"? If my disagreement was inconsequential to you, that's what you'd be doing, instead of arguing with me online. I'll admit, the argument is somewhat important to me. But I must also admit, I'm being hypocritical here. My unspoken sentiment here- and perhaps I should have made this clear- is that to argue and try to convince people to subscribe to nihilism doesn't ever help anyone. Maybe if you stumbled across the concept yourself online, and you identify with it and feel that it's improved your quality of life, that's respectable. But trying to convince people who are already invested in their own beliefs- whatever they may be- and who assign value to their lives, that their whole worldview is meaningless, is both insulting and unhelpful. And this is why I must admit the hypocritical nature of my involvement in this discussion, because I realize I'm probably not helping anyone either.
Anyway, you've already won the argument. After all, you used the most insults, and said "strawman" and "pseudointellectual" a lot. (Incidentally, when people use that term, I always wonder- is there anyone or anything they consider genuinely intellectual? Apart from themselves, I mean.)
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Link Shitrider - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:53:08 EST ID:lKQZAyca No.4701030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4701015
Why are you not out there- what did you suggest- "enjoying your meaningless existence to it's fullest"?

Probably the same reason you're not, or everyone else here isn't. Besides, I sort of enjoy arguing with people on the internet anyway. That's why I'm doing it. And on top of that, because it rubs me the wrong way to see a bunch of people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about dogpile nihilism and pat eachother on the back for it. Absolutely nothing I'm doing here is counter to my lack of belief in god or some kind of magical objective purpose to human existence. And in fact, there's nothing wrong with what you or anyone else is doing either as far as that goes. We all come here to post about shit and discuss things, we all want to be heard. Nobody here is above that and I never claimed I was.

>But trying to convince people who are already invested in their own beliefs- whatever they may be- and who assign value to their lives, that their whole worldview is meaningless, is both insulting and unhelpful.
Yeah, anyone could say that any ideas that conflict with their own are 'insulting and unhelpful'. That's why religious people get all butthurt when you tell them you don't buy any of the shit they just told you. Oh well, just gotta get thicker skin if you're going to go around loudly proclaiming your baseless beliefs.

>Anyway, you've already won the argument. After all, you used the most insults, and said "strawman" and "pseudointellectual" a lot. (Incidentally, when people use that term, I always wonder- is there anyone or anything they consider genuinely intellectual? Apart from themselves, I mean.)
I'm not trying to win by insulting people, although a couple of the replies to my post above are actually trying to do that. There's a big difference between presenting an argument and then calling your opponent a fag a bunch of times and just calling him a fag in lieu of an argument an calling it a day. Funny how you only took issue with me throwing out insults when I'm not even the one trying to use them to 'win'. Maybe now you have some I idea of what I mean when I call people pseuds.
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Jack Canningstone - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:13:28 EST ID:YIQ1OYOZ No.4701051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701030
Christians in general don't get butthurt when you say you don't believe, dealing with ridicule and even prosecution is a big part of their religion, theyll just keep doing their shit.
Atheists on the other hand tend to go on multi paragraph tirades that must leave their butts sore.
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Rocket Phoebe - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:16:30 EST ID:XWjGm/g7 No.4701055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I don't think anyone in this thread is arguing we should subscribe to nihilism. It's already been pointed out that Nietschze himself identified the idea as an abyss that needs to be pushed through.

Bunch of kiddos cleaning their room to J Petes fapping about meaning in this thread. Does there need to be greater meaning to a blunt for you to enjoy it? Maybe for you, not for me though.

I'd argue mathematics has good examples of nonmaterial objective truth without anthropomorphic meaning, just to add fuel to the fire.
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Link Shitrider - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:23:08 EST ID:lKQZAyca No.4701062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701051
>Christians in general don't get butthurt when you say you don't believe

You should check out some world history the next time you feel like actually learning something. Or maybe just get off the internet for a while. Atheists aren't the ones going door to door trying to convert people, or handing out leaflets or generally just being a nuisance. Atheists are the one's who have to smile and nod at this shit lest they provoke a public spergout.
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Tim Curry - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:29:21 EST ID:YbWvR5Gu No.4701066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i wish i had a bunch of slaves. no black slaves though. only white slaves.
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Rocket Phoebe - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:29:57 EST ID:XWjGm/g7 No.4701068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4701051
>>4701062

I'd say it's more of a general human flaw to have a conniption when their core beliefs are challenge or disagreed with
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Urbain Dubois - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:29:58 EST ID:BowkiUKZ No.4701069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4700979
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Preach dem words, niπŸ…±οΈπŸ…±οΈa!
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William Herschel - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:56:58 EST ID:Vw/z4lpC No.4701081 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Nihilism is great in that the negative effects of it can be like a fire under your ass, forcing you to either strengthen your beliefs or destroy that which made you nihilistic to begin with.
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Lillian Crammerbury - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:05:56 EST ID:IEgs+Tii No.4701082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Mark Kerr - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:07:37 EST ID:Fzqf8bIc No.4701085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4699782
Wrong. Logic leads to Hedonism. So lucky to live in a Capitalist world.
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Jack Canningstone - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:31:59 EST ID:YIQ1OYOZ No.4701105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4701062
I meant average modern christians, not the spanish inquisition!, or jehovas witnesses. Way to be butthurt though.
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Tatsuya Kawajiri - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:43:58 EST ID:xgVlGeji No.4701111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701105
Yeah that guys an idiot. It's not like we go around telling our neighbors they're going to hell. We just know they are and let it happen.
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Princess Daisy - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 15:02:49 EST ID:JBvpzmjF No.4701124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701111
what about that time when god told u that u were responsible for bringing ur neighbors? he gonna rek ur lazy compassionless shit son
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Jack Canningstone - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 15:05:22 EST ID:YIQ1OYOZ No.4701129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701111
Nobody really believes in hell, some are just taking precautions
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Alucard - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 15:06:11 EST ID:utoiCvkb No.4701130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701085
white people get caught less and if they get caught get off free. especially for non-violent crimes like drugs. If you're white and have small amount of drugs on you, you're pretty much free to go. If you're black you get hit with the hardest sentence. This is probably why the crime rate difference occurs
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Lillian Crammerbury - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 15:09:21 EST ID:IEgs+Tii No.4701132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701130

Why don't you read? Those numbers are concerning homicide rates. If you think police are just turning a blind eye to murders, even when white ppl do it, you're a R-E-T-A-R-D.
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Princess Daisy - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 15:10:04 EST ID:JBvpzmjF No.4701133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701130
Just want to point out that chart says "homicide" at the top.
So not non-violent crimes like drugs.
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Thorsday Cuntmuff - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:47:20 EST ID:t46mBDSN No.4701253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Aribeth - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:06:26 EST ID:OzgNtuRi No.4701283 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701132
By the same data, whites commit more murders than Asians at the same income brackets, but no one seems to use that as an argument for the greater savagery of whites compared to Asians.

Only about ~3/4 of homicides get solved according to this data, and plenty of people (especially black people) get convicted for crimes they didn't commit, especially under a context of disproportionate policing:
https://rstudio-pubs-static.s3.amazonaws.com/301310_c13e10846cb3421a9fd38b6aa3dabf6f.html
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David Von Erich - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 11:06:29 EST ID:hbhQMeZV No.4701606 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4701132
1/3 of homicide cases in the US go unsolved.

Pleaee don't take that JonTron macro seriously. It didn't even name the BJS (Bureau of Justice Statistics) properly, and the vagueness of the description means that for all we know, these homicides are sorted by the race of the victim, not the perpetrator. The "per 100,000" measurement is also undefined to the point of being useless. 100,000 deaths? Arrests? Persons, maybe, and if so, persons of a particular race or all persons residing in the US in 2006?
This chart is bunk, plain and simple.


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