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So How Long? by Donik - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:32:09 EST ID:6vsGp55w No.4812515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>until VPNs are legit illegal?

There is already a few things I cannot do with my VPN activated, and I use one of the top 3 providers there is. Literally almost every single Google search result, requires relevant.jpg
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:34:26 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>uses top 3 most popular VPN
>is surprised its traffic is flagged for weird behaviour
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Donik - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:38:41 EST ID:6vsGp55w No.4812519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812516
so you're saying use a shitty VPN provider that has slow servers?
I've had this VPN service for 5 months and it's only started happening in the last week
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:45:40 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812520 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812519
No I'm saying it's not in the least bit surprising. Your leap from seeing Google blocking bot traffic to "they're going to make VPNs illegal!" seems insane.
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Donik - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:46:43 EST ID:6vsGp55w No.4812522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812516
My main point in this thread though is to get a discussion on whether or not they will be illegal soon. It's obvious the governments and elite want to fully control the internet, and like with most things, little changes are made over time, so most people don't get mad and rebel. So in this instance the small changes are like this Google mishap, and then you can't watch videos on Amazon etc etc.
nb
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:49:59 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812522
No, they will not be made illegal because they're too important to business. Even China doesn't block them. That's all there is to it.
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Spock - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 09:03:25 EST ID:xIvA5Qzu No.4812524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812523
Business VPN and private VPN are quite different and used for different reasons.
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 09:12:09 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812526 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812524
Tell that to China I'm sure they'll be over the moon to find out you know more about it than their entire country.
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Flatulent Frank - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 10:20:43 EST ID:FxkV84Ks No.4812543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812523
VPN's in China have to be registered with the government and give them access to everyone's usage and history. They used the blanket excuse of "terrorism" when they instituted the new laws just like every other government that wants to take away all of your privacy.
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Spock - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 10:25:12 EST ID:xIvA5Qzu No.4812549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812526
I'd rather not, those fuckheads are almost impossible to work with and use archaic software to handle critical b2b communication.
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 10:47:33 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812543
Short of a worldwide government doing the same thing I don't see why that matters. You could use a Chinese registered VPN to connect to an external VPN and they'd have just as little record of what you're doing as before.
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Flatulent Frank - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 10:53:48 EST ID:FxkV84Ks No.4812557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812554
>I don't see why that matters
You made a statement about China allowing VPNs, so I pointed out that they have full access to all VPN traffic in China which completely defeats the purpose of using a VPN in the first place.
>You could use a Chinese registered VPN to connect to an external VPN and they'd have just as little record of what you're doing as before.
You clearly have zero understanding of how a VPN works. If they have full access to your initial VPN traffic then it makes no difference if you chain 20 VPN connections.
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:00:17 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812557
If you tunnel through a tunnel then the outer tunnel can't decrypt your traffic. All it can see is that there's a tunnel with packets moving through it.
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Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:05:10 EST ID:mT4r1ktt No.4812563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812560

tunnel into that tunnel though and you can see.
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:07:00 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812563
Frank seems to think that VPNs are entirely useless given that if the first tunnel could fully monitor the second tunnel then the ISP would be able to see into them both in the first place.
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Flatulent Frank - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:17:26 EST ID:FxkV84Ks No.4812568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812560
>>4812564
No dipshit, they have full access to the traffic before it's encrypted by the initial VPN connection.
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Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:22:14 EST ID:li968klp No.4812571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Even if you could double encrypt yourself by tunelling I to a tunnel and what frank says is false, wouldn't the authorities just be able to see that you're accessing an unmonitored VPN and then fuck onr you for that with no need to ask what the VPN was for?
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:22:39 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812568
No they don't because that would totally defeat the point of being a VPN.
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Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:25:12 EST ID:li968klp No.4812573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812572
Isn't that the point?
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:27:34 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812573
I think Frank may be confusing actual VPNs with browser-based proxies or something.
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Flatulent Frank - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:34:38 EST ID:FxkV84Ks No.4812577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812573
Yes it's exactly the point. This guy's either genuinely retarded or trolling.
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:36:33 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812577
So your point is that VPNs do nothing at all. Right.
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Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:46:43 EST ID:li968klp No.4812583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812578
The Chinese ones bro, yeah, how is it taking this many posts for you to get that
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:49:17 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812583
If you mean what you're talking about in >>4812571 then yes the first Chinese VPN would show that you were connecting to a foreign VPN. But that's all it could tell you because it would absolutely not
>have full access to the traffic before it's encrypted by the initial VPN connection.
That's just nonsense.
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Flatulent Frank - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:51:12 EST ID:FxkV84Ks No.4812585 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812578
You are so stupid that I'm saddened by it. It's like seeing a handicapped puppy or something. The PSB has full access to all VPNs operating in China (as well as all ISPs) so whatever traffic passes through the service can be viewed in unencrypted form at their discretion.
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Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:52:46 EST ID:li968klp No.4812586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812584
Why won't it though

Also I looked it up a d apparently nordvpn is still available in the country, nobody is sure exactly when or how they're going to enforce the foreign VPN ban or if they're going to at all past app store censorship
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:53:51 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812585
What part of the second VPN being one outside of China are you struggling with?
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:00:59 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812586
The VPN client sends encrypted traffic from your computer over the network to the VPN servers where it's decrypted, and vice versa. An ISP cannot see what the traffic is, only that it's there.

The Chinese VPN keeps logs that it'll hand over to the govt. but will let you cross the great wall. At that point, you connect your computer through the first VPN to a second VPN which is not in the government's control, because it's wherever else and doesn't keep logs. All the decryption is done on your computer and on the VPN exit nodes. There is no "initial" traffic the ISP sees.
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Flatulent Frank - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:04:48 EST ID:FxkV84Ks No.4812590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812586
It went into effect on November 1st. So consider all NordVPN traffic in China compromised.
http://www.mps.gov.cn/n2254314/n2254409/n4904353/c6263180/content.html

Article 9 says that it applies to ISPs, data centers, CDN services, domain name services and "internet information services" (aka search engines) as well as other services to be determined at the PSBs discretion. So it's definitely not just app store stuff.
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Flatulent Frank - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:05:38 EST ID:FxkV84Ks No.4812592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812588
>to the VPN servers where it's decrypted,
And somehow it still escapes you.
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:10:16 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812592
>If I put an opaque straw through a transparent pipe, the opaque straw is magically transparent!
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Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:12:37 EST ID:li968klp No.4812596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812588
Cool, I know nothing about this shit so these are legit questions and I'm glad you guys are getting worked up enough at each other to be going this deep into it trying to explain it to brainoids

Could the Chinese VPNs not manually block connections to outside ones? I know you wouldn't be able to manually block them all but if only the big commercial ones.
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Clara Nablinggold - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:14:05 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4812598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4812596
Yes they could conceivably do that.
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Debbie Mulkwood - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:16:32 EST ID:ndV4CXbU No.4812602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is there any real reason to use a vpn outside of torrents?

I was having my internet monitored by my isp because I was having trouble with it and I still looked at porn. When the guy came to my house to check my modem for problems, he even said "go to your regular websites but no porn or anything". I ain't got shit to hide, nigga. Girls squirting and bdsm forced orgasms all day long.
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Alyssa Hamilton - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 20:34:16 EST ID:GXevGwRw No.4812852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4812602
everyone's got something to hide
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Gob Bluth - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 20:42:00 EST ID:X1+1wIki No.4812853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Charlotte Curryheck - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 00:51:20 EST ID:ULUZkSqO No.4812951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You could just use TOR instead if you're worried about your home IP address being associated with the sites you access.
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Tiron - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 07:37:31 EST ID:Vl6QtRWK No.4813028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm in Australia and they've recently passed a new set of laws which allow the government to demand from companies all usage data of users/customers.

World is going deeper and deeper into Orwell territory
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Mike Brown - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 08:06:56 EST ID:IlaZcD2t No.4813032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4813028
Australia is an island nation of racists.

Not at all like America which is a whole continent.
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MatildaGrimville.asm - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 08:14:04 EST ID:4ZbJYSp6 No.4813037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gonna just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_WDD_D8s0Q
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Channeler Archie - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 08:18:55 EST ID:9vkhWhOP No.4813040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
meh, I've just made peace with the fact that at some point, some hacker somewhere will publish my entire online history for everyone to see (I expect everyone's shit will become public in the future). Everyone will know that I bought a dildo and a penis pump, and that I've looked at some fucked up porn, and that I've wasted my life in shitholes like this. You don't have to hide when you have no self respect and therefore demand no respect from others. It's actually pretty comfy once you get used to it. You kind of also have to not have any real responsibilities or positions of power or anything like that that could be endangered by damage to your "reputation" but I've never really had a goal that required any of that so I'm golden.
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Jonathan Waxman - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 08:22:37 EST ID:SbJPIGjR No.4813041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hope that eventually http becomes the normie web and onion networks or another protocol entirely becomes the enthusiast web. We should remain positive if only for the fact that encryption still seems to be secure, or at least currently presenting such a resource drain to decrypt that widespread usage renders it practically unbreakable.

Linux is also becoming usable for the average Joe, so a reasonable amount of privacy can be afforded with a second hand laptop, ubuntu & xfce and the tor browser. I also wonder if digital key clubs will become a thing in the future - i.e. a private, invite only network. Perhaps the 'key' would be some physical piece of hardware to generate the keys.
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EstherFuckingfuck.dot - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 08:23:12 EST ID:z191ROjF No.4813042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4813040
After reading this I'm kinda sure you want this to happen


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