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No true Scotsman situation by Antonio Honda - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:01:31 EST ID:h2RJRtMt No.4821329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If you call yourself an Atheists because you hate or are angry with God, you are not a “real” Atheist individual.
Michael Eddington - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:06:26 EST ID:uGoE/WG7 No.4821331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Shut the fuck up. shit thread. your parents are either dead or deeply ashamed of you.
JZ Cavalcante - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:09:13 EST ID:4M/jcbbv No.4821332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Caring what your parents think

Lool get out if here, Boomer.
Antonio Honda - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:10:49 EST ID:h2RJRtMt No.4821333 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>dead or deeply ashamed of you.

I’m afraid both are true.
Cole Konrad - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:06:57 EST ID:olHduLCH No.4821343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can't prove there is a God or gods, so believing there is, is stupid. And you can't prove there isn't a God or gods, and so believing there isn't, is stupid.

The only proper answer is agnosticism, the philosophical equivalent of "I dunnoh."
Antonio Honda - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:10:33 EST ID:h2RJRtMt No.4821345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just had an insane dose of Déjà vu just now.
Katherine Pulaski - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:42:28 EST ID:YFxlbKYS No.4821350 Ignore Report Quick Reply

well that's fucking obvious. an atheist doesn't believe in god, therefore hating implies belief, therefore hating god = not atheist. Wow. I can't believe I wasted my time replying to this. seriously, eat shit.
Kazarian - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 10:49:55 EST ID:EBI8DRQs No.4821370 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Biblical ideas about god are so outlandish, contradictory, and stupid that I'm fine dismissing them as bullshit. Same for any religion, actually.

If you're talking god in some kind of spiritual "energy of the universe man" type way, fine, whatever. I still don't buy it, but it's nebulous and vague enough that it's still "possible"

Everything I have observed about life and the world around me leads me to the conclusion that the universe is indifferent, random, and devoid of objective meaning. If there is a god it doesn't care about you
Hikaru Sulu - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:07:05 EST ID:kQyvOOzZ No.4821379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Rudolph Minkowski - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:12:07 EST ID:Oh5KBrL0 No.4821383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Marjorie Monaghan - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:14:45 EST ID:IGaxqb/X No.4821384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sometimes i get the feeling that the entire history of the universe is just physically what had to be for us to pop up in it. Like the universe only exists when its observed so everything that happens before and after us is just the foundation for consciousness. The collective consciousness when we die and individual consciousness when were born. This could be in a loop of no universe and a universe existing because yknow, other dimensions and yin and yang and all that. I think most spiritual stuff is psychological but that doesnt matter because maybe the psyche is larger than life and possibly all there truly is to the universe. Maybe not, you could easily be right. Just a theory i came up with and im sure theres an official name for most of it
Cole Konrad - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:16:05 EST ID:olHduLCH No.4821388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've probably said this exact phrase before on this site, or at least I know I've wanted to say it before.
Nicolas Appert - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:23:48 EST ID:dXxZW0+b No.4821394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah no shit that a bunch of folk stories written 2000 years apart by a bunch of sheep farmers is gonna be inconsistent.

2000 years from now when star wars is a religion, I bet people are gonna be bitching and whining about inconsistencies and contradictions in the star wars universe, too.

Don't lose the forest for the trees, dudebroski. Or do, I don't care. You probably like wood anyway. Big, strong, hard, long wood.
Kuma - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:29:07 EST ID:wX2+5IvJ No.4821396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why do you guys have to be like 12 years old
Kazarian - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:30:58 EST ID:EBI8DRQs No.4821397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good job writing a bunch of words without actually saying anything.
Zhikov Gorkfuck - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:37:48 EST ID:S18jz49d No.4821402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
christians: LOL look at all those fake and ridiculous gods other people believe in! Thank Jesus I praise the one true god!
atheists: your god is also fake and ridiculous
christians: HOW DARE YOU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *starts a crusade*
Hikaru Sulu - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:51:06 EST ID:kQyvOOzZ No.4821409 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But like to the average budding teen atheist, that’s exactly what it’s about. It’s not just about “is there intelligent design or not”. It’s so much more about rebelling from their parents and the religion they were forced into and all the baggage they attach to it and how it effects them and how they feel about the people they attach to it and all this other childhood psychychiatry type of crap.

It makes for extremely annoying attempts at arguing about the actual subject of atheism without them launching into really butthurt tirades.
Sarah Michelle Geller - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:59:36 EST ID:XiTm/lp7 No.4821412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whatever, OP. As an agnostic, I’ve met quite a lot of atheists who believe whacky shit and are clearly just rebelling, but I mean if they’re actively rejecting the idea that God does/could exist then they’re an atheist. Very few atheists, really almost nobody in general, has a perfectly reasonable opinion about God or religion.
“Science disproves God’s existence!” Yeah OK buddy, keep jerking yourself off with that glove.
Kazarian - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:01:21 EST ID:EBI8DRQs No.4821416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's what teenagers do, don't talk to them if you don't want to hear a bunch of anti-momanddad shit.
Ludacris - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:10:06 EST ID:RFxPQjQo No.4821424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I seriously hope you guys don't do this
Rockin' Robin - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:16:35 EST ID:Ws/iky5n No.4821430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is this a drunken peasants podcast reference, OP? I'm feeling bad for getting this reference, I wasted too much of my time listening to these loudmouth wastes of space meander. Podcasts and radio talk shows are fucking cancer -- all of these people underachiever fucks with little to no education on anything and I have no idea why people think that these fucks deserve any respect.
Vergil - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:43:37 EST ID:n6CG6UNm No.4821452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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GUYS. I usually don't eat a lot of meat but I've had like 3 Christmas dinners full of ham and turkey and bacon this week. My shit smells about 7x worse now. I think this carnivorous shit is for the birds. I don't like smelling rancid, putrified, hormone-infused death when I'm relieving myself.
Cyril Croffingcocke - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:58:59 EST ID:676a+kXJ No.4821458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did you get banned form the discord 🤣😂
Rockin' Robin - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 18:09:07 EST ID:Ws/iky5n No.4821547 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>you know you can listen to lectures, talks and stuff by people who are experts on what they're talking about right?

Yes, which is the reason why I was talking about radio talk shows and podcasts, not lectures, you gosh darn goober
Bernhard Schmidt - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 02:24:45 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4821637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I[/u] can. I do have a way that I can.

I hate Redcoat Jesus, Space Jesus, Proto-Jesus, Door-to-door Jesus and even Deep Jesus. Okay, maybe not all of them, but still a few of them, thus I'm fine.

Now, many people only reach to just enough Jesuses to muster such immunity against your rule:
and I am willing to go beyond, but this does not mean others have any less right to hate a Jesus or two than I do.
Tammy Tangerine - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 06:38:05 EST ID:dN/bwQ8B No.4821682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Christians insist there is free will but if free will exists god's plan can't be true. If there is a divine plan and you can do what you want the plan would easily be interrupted. Say god is just waiting for this person to be born so he does something that will further his plan. Meanwhile you hit up your old buddy, you go drinking and he returns to his wife blackout drunk, doesn't have sex with her and BAM the next prophet of christianity is never born because of free will.
Robin Lefler - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 07:01:39 EST ID:X90Aa0R4 No.4821684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Or He knew you were going to fail, but allowed you to do it anyways, warning you even, to make a point about your inevitable sins. You will turn to the wrong direction and though I’m sure he would have wanted you to chose him instead, it was in his master plan that you chose for yourself where you would end up and so all is well in the master plan.

You can go around and around all day with this stuff. It proves nothing
Bernhard Schmidt - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 07:28:23 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4821688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Damnit, you people suck!

You people talk as if god is not real, but if he was real, then he would be omnipotent, and fatherly and amazingly ordermongerring and so on and so on and so on. You're to small minded to check out the sensible, slick, elegant position - why don't we just suppose that god is real, for various cute definitions of real, but is just a fucking monster? Bastards like you enable these godshits by being respectful, eventually drilling the idea into the godbitches' heads that they are respectable, and giving them all this assistance in making sense of this nonsense idea of theirs. Reaching at religion with philosophical tools all the time only feeds their delusions of being at all logical, what's neccessary is to look at religions through almost any other lens, say, looking at the bible like it's a TV show, or looking at the koran like it's a blue screen of death, or looking at characters in the bible or koran like they're defendants, etc, etc, etc.
Pikmin - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 07:33:38 EST ID:4tA9JXq6 No.4821690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
God is a black lesbian
Eugene Nankinchune - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 07:38:52 EST ID:olHduLCH No.4821692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So if his master plan involves setting into place events that will drive you to choose one particular option over another, it's not like you really have free will, do you?

Sure, you "chose" but God chose to give humans limited capacity in their options (rather than being omniscient themselves) so how can you say those people really chose anything? They were created to respond in a particular way to events that were also created. It's all manufactured. The illusion of freewill given to us by God doesn't equate to actual freewill.

And "God's plan" implies he has control over it. This whole situation appears to be nothing more than a more complex series of dominoes falling down.
Robin Lefler - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 07:57:19 EST ID:X90Aa0R4 No.4821694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly in the big scheme of proving or disproving god, such s logic problem misses the forest for the trees anyways. It’s always going to be hard to use logic to win arguments where “an omnipotent, omniscient, ultimate being has created you, a primate with an IQ of around 110, now, let’s begin discussing the many ways how we can”t quite morally or logically understand all the actions and justifications and problematic issues about it. If we can’t fix all the kinks in the story of how said omniscient, omnipotent being did everything perfected as it was supposed, its game over theists!”

It’s just a silly argument to have in the first place, it always ends up just a loose pile of slippery hamfisted assumptions and one or the other person taking it somewhere weird because they have a weird or strained relationship with religion.
Eugene Nankinchune - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:04:04 EST ID:olHduLCH No.4821695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not a silly argument to have, because if our stupid monkey brain can point out very basic logical inconsistencies that a supposed God is creating, then maybe it's safe to assume this God doesn't actually exist and those logical inconsistencies were actually created by humans claiming that a God exists.

Your argument takes for granted God's existence as omnipotent and omniscient, which is a bad stance to have because you cannot prove there is a God, nor that he is omnipotent nor omniscient.
Gene Hackman - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:10:23 EST ID:Tinp2IXx No.4821699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah and dude, you can’t prove he “isn’t” either. It’s really pointless to have these arguments that so often cannot be solved in their pure forms as arguments until someone starts taking it so personally that they use questionable or unfair reasoning to say “see I dis/proved it once and for all”.

And nothing changed as a result
Bender Rodriguez - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:10:32 EST ID:4ZbJYSp6 No.4821700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The golden ratio
Eugene Nankinchune - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:15:32 EST ID:olHduLCH No.4821701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes, that's the point. You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a God or gods, therefore believing in one as a fact is a logical fallacy. Again, the only correct answer is agnosticism.

And furthermore, making an assumption that there is a God or gods is one step in the wrong direction. Assuming you know everything about this God's or gods' capabilities, desires, and motives is a complete farce.

And you're the one claiming the existence of these things. Show proof. If you can't, why would you believe in it?
Gene Hackman - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:19:01 EST ID:Tinp2IXx No.4821702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I’m not claiming proof, I’m claiming you can’t provide the proof for the certainty that there is not such, so why is your argument so assured? I agree that the logical conclusion here is agnosticism.
Eugene Nankinchune - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:22:08 EST ID:olHduLCH No.4821704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's so assured because the most logical conclusion to the fact that hundreds of different supposed gods exist is probably that most or all of them are completely made up.

Assuming that there is no god without proof is dumb, assuming that there is a god and that we know every single thing about them is even dumber, is what I'm saying
Tammy Tangerine - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:29:37 EST ID:dN/bwQ8B No.4821708 Ignore Report Quick Reply

"You can't disprove X" still doesn't mean it's real.
Gene Hackman - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:46:16 EST ID:Tinp2IXx No.4821719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So what’s the point of going on about it? None of this is new information that’s going to finally bring us to some sudden ahah moment about anything? What is the point?
Tammy Tangerine - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:48:44 EST ID:dN/bwQ8B No.4821721 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You get the sudden aha moment when you realise your religion is fake and its claims don't hold up. It's just hard if you grew up in a religious environment that brought you up with the idea there has to be a creator of everything.
Eugene Nankinchune - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:49:36 EST ID:olHduLCH No.4821723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The point is that people should stop believing in mermaids when they have no logical reason to.
Chandler Bing - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:55:07 EST ID:v+Sx39ua No.4821726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
God is irrelevant. If the voice of god directly told me to kill my kids (as he is known to do), I would ignore him, and seek treatment. If there is no god, I'm going to continue to treat people well because people deserve to be treated well.

Like I don't even understand the function of god in people's day-to-day functioning.

People seem to agonize over this stuff one way or another their entire lives, but it doesn't really have any bearing over how you should conduct yourself.
Ettore Boiardi - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:01:24 EST ID:676a+kXJ No.4821728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can’t prove or dispose that Santa is real. So are you agnostic about Santa?

Give me a break guys.
Henry Brookway - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:12:09 EST ID:yUwOsz8/ No.4821730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like, I don't even undertstand why it's irrelevant. Why do you think we're here? If there's no such thing as a spiritual realm. If you're just a lump of meaningless matter. If you don't have a soul to speak of... Why do you think you were put on this Earth?
Gene Hackman - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:14:37 EST ID:Tinp2IXx No.4821731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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...are you guys seriously having a fully fedora’d /r/atheist circlejerk in here?
Chandler Bing - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:18:45 EST ID:v+Sx39ua No.4821737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> just a lump of meaningless matter
Why would you feel meaningless in the absence of a god? Can't you be just as meaningless in a universe with a god?
Tammy Tangerine - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:19:33 EST ID:dN/bwQ8B No.4821739 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Why do you think you were put on this Earth?

The thing is atheists don't think they were actively put here but they evolved from lower animals that evolved from even lower animals.
Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:21:57 EST ID:gvweiyiL No.4821740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it unimaginable that we came about by chance and were not put on Earth for any specific reason or meaning? Is it impossible that we might create meaning for ourselves? Would any true Scotsman post anime? Should pedos be banned on site? Is avatarfagging an obnoxious way to bypass non-trip boards?

All the answers are obvious.
Michihiro Omigawa - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:24:46 EST ID:lDtlaXhe No.4821742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For me it's more like: I accept that death occurs, without fail, to every single human and most creatures who are born.
Let's call "There is a God" p_n, and "There is not a God" p_n.

But p_n is the uncountably infinite set of possibilities, and those are just two of them. p_234234 is "God was around but with shrinking potence and ended up dying as some alzheimers patient in New Jersey, 1957.

p_10001 is there's no Gods and every surface which light hits itself becomes a new reality.
p_10002 is the same but it only happens 1500 recursions deep.
p_10003 is the same but it only happens 1501 recursions deep.

p_6554444 is that there are a bunch of Gods
p_6554445 is that they themselves have their own Gods, but that's as far as it goes
p_6554446 is it's Gods up and up forever

"there's a God / no there isnt / ya there is" bullshit is extremely confined, the "atheist" position is just a reaction inside of the same room that the "theist" is sitting inside, trying to argue a position about which they have no ability to speak.
Gene Hackman - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:25:31 EST ID:Tinp2IXx No.4821743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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One time I saw a leprechaun or some type of small elf type of deal in the woods, so you can take your atheism and you can shove it right up your ass kid
Michihiro Omigawa - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:28:20 EST ID:lDtlaXhe No.4821745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Let's call "There is a God" p_1, and "There is not a God" p_2, and the set of all propositions about this topic p_n.

also oops because if I recall, indexing by the naturals would imply a bijection with the naturals and therefore p_n would be only countably infinite, so just pretend we're indexing by the reals I guess nb
Henry Brookway - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:48:24 EST ID:yUwOsz8/ No.4821747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Of course, our body is that of an evolved species of animal, that's not the point. But the mind, now... Why can there not be a soul, acting through the body? It's fallacious to assume we know everything about the physical world and therefore we're effectively the "gods" of the universe. Why can't there be a higher power that doesn't fit into our abstract models of the physical world? A supreme Truth about the nature of nature? One that we must constantly strive to learn more of, but can never fully understand with these feeble animal brains?
Tammy Tangerine - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 11:52:34 EST ID:dN/bwQ8B No.4821774 Ignore Report Quick Reply

And why can there not be just a consciousness that comes into existence once a brain is big enough to support something like that?
Khan Spacerider - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 12:11:02 EST ID:XiTm/lp7 No.4821777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don’t wanna sound like a douche but how does anyone even argue with theists? Again, I’m not trying to rip on any of you theists, but it’s just like theism comes with all these beliefs, and while theists believe they have evidence to support their beliefs I always find the evidence to be too lacking or obscure. Like a while back a theist told me he could convince me God exists and then he was like “What existed before the Big Bang? The answer is obvious; God. Science concludes nothing existed before the BB, but then something came into existence; that is the work of God. It is obvious when you open your eyes to it.” And I told the guy, “Dude, nobody knows what existed or didn’t exist before the BB, and even if God did cause the BB, the odds of that God being YOUR God (the Christian God) are astronomically low.” But the dude just wouldn’t hear me, he kept saying my statement was a rejection of science, that I don’t know more than the scientists who concluded nothing exists before the BB so I’m just a fool. Like how do you argue with that? How do I, a hard agnostic, argue with someone who accepts things as fact that I consider to be a reach? Any theistic/atheistic/agnostic comments are totally appreciated.
Senator Tal'aura - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 14:31:53 EST ID:o8d5A/Nn No.4821824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Senator Tal'aura - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 14:47:52 EST ID:o8d5A/Nn No.4821830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's damn near impossible. Most fundamentalists were either indoctrinated from birth, have a below average IQ, or had a life that was pretty fucked up that they think their god saved them from, or some combination of those. I was born into it and had to work out by myself that it was incorrect. Now I believe if there is a god then it's completely beyond any human ideas and beliefs. I don't argue anymore as long as people don't bother me. If they really want to get into it, I will mindfuck the shit out of them.
Walter Adams - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 15:13:54 EST ID:l2hxSIT3 No.4821836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just dont believe in silly jewish joke stories from 2000 years ago and my country had it's own true religion before this weak bullshit.
Karl Jansky - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 15:54:15 EST ID:8eSv04PM No.4821850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, of course not, in this case it is a satanist individual.
Antonin Carême - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 21:44:16 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4821947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You are making no sense.

WHAT are you even talking about?! Seriously, what the fuck are you referring to, what are you thinking of or are you blatantly not thinking anything?

Are you looking at the Jesus that sometimes gets said to be the same Jesus as Protojesus, Starvation Jesus? Are you looking at Ganjajesus, or is it Ganjajehovah? Are you looking at Fried-Chicken-Allah? Are you looking at Cunt Cutting Allah? Are you looking at Airlifted Yahweh? Are you looking at some Voodoojesus?
Antonin Carême - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:02:10 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4821949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You argue against theists by arguing they are bad people, or just by keeping focussed on why they are bad people.

For example, if their god is karl marx, you focus on how they're jealous of whoever it may be, on how they sanctify the crudest, shortest sighted, menial worker, on how they're dreaming of mountains of heads rolling just so they can feel being part of a fullfilling event, and so on.

If you're up against a christian, you focus on how they crave to slay sorcerrors, on how they fuss about lepers, on how they'd do anything to create drama with a plan of a culminating moment of somebody being saved, on how possitive they are about someone not affording clothes due to needing a gun, and of course on how they're enthusiastically looking towards the end of the world.
James Elliott - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:39:49 EST ID:LNmW6A4Y No.4821954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hardcore Atheists are some of the biggest retards alive today
Michael Jonas - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:46:07 EST ID:eswGUriS No.4821956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it just me, or is something up with 420chan thumbnails these days?
Reaver - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:49:23 EST ID:EBI8DRQs No.4821958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its something to do with the specific PNG files, I believe. Something about layers, something something, I dunno.
Assinghat Craplock - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:50:19 EST ID:Z/1J/U54 No.4821959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's not just you
Alot of them have been really fucked up looking
I'm not sure if its .pngs or what but alot of them have been janked
Antonin Carême - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 05:24:39 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You're not appreciating the most quintessential stuff about Christianity.

The core of Christianity is that there's three central figures, but your most fundamental directive is to not be getting fixated on the individuality of Christianity's central figures, okay? It is not a straight monotheism, the individuality of each among the divine is incredibly flexible, you follow?!

Not only do you have three god-people, who you're tasked to play mind games about until your psyche slips into being prone to processing them as one person, but just look at the shit it has picked up from Zoroastrianism, an even more radical monotheism. Although there's one god, it does not have one god like scientology actually, honestly has one god, but it has a god and a devil, unlike just a devil.

But see, catholicism takes this further, and instead of a single devil in addition to the one/three gods, it has seven devils. But even among papists, they're hardly always acknowledged.
Antonin Carême - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 05:43:25 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lets get a grip on the massive distroting tunel-vissioned bias at play here.

We're talking about "hating god". Which OP says amounts to *validating god*.

Somehow, this end up being taken for granted to mean *the genesis guy*.

Now, there is a decent amount of logic to this, the big deal here is refusal to believe, and what people would naturally be so averse to believing in would of course be the genesis guy However, we are also talking about hating god, and the question of what people would be hating is different and would tend to have a different answer. They likely hate the god from a book that's actually chronologically/temporaly sensible. From a book that actually relates to real world things, people that historians can actually validate, from a book that's a mission briefing against what were normal people doing normal things at the time.
Antonin Carême - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 05:59:41 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, what's the surprise here?

The whole point is that "You ungrateful shit, Jesus fucking died for you!"

If Jesus died for you, what's real all that unexpected about people getting inspired to measure up and head off to to die generously in a crusade? Huh? Are you figuring out Jesus yet?

Of course, once again we have the issue of books here. There is Gospel-Jesus, the core figure, who is of course all about the dying. But there's also Zombie Jesus, the Revalations hero, who's all about fighting Nero, or maybe the next Nero. Or, since you know, the bible isn't meant to be interpreted literally, maybe people must believe in fighting the undead spirit of Nero? And even with acknowledging these two as separate things, Zombie Jesus in and of himself makes for a mighty fine inspiration for a serious dose of crusading!

BTW, I wonder just how many of you have to actually deal with people accepting and commending, let alone just forgiving the crusades!?! Huh?
Antonin Carême - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 06:07:03 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This thread is good, you are silly, we're talking about "God" and you're casually slipping in an image of a donald-creature getting jesus'd?!
Mike Hunt - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 07:49:05 EST ID:zbBHOF00 No.4822050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love you Jesus "Anne Frank" Christ
Hwoarang - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 09:57:08 EST ID:jSQYMUUF No.4822064 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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there is one jesus i really like and that is gun jesus

also this jesus too
SimonPuckleson.ffo - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 11:12:01 EST ID:UK8+K6wp No.4822083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lolol, 4chin Atheism gatekeeping. I hope your lives are long and filled with situations where you can't control people.
Temporal Agent Daniels - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 11:17:11 EST ID:IGaxqb/X No.4822086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jizz is stuck on the pointy hills
Jizz is stuck on the pointy hills
Norton Mapes - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 11:43:54 EST ID:3WwP5qiU No.4822090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Nice one guys
Johann Bode - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 21:29:52 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How is Gun Jesus actually significantly distinct? A gun is just a modern version of a sword. The only thing that could be profound about a gun jesus is how he defiles his own principles, scamperring over to the sorcerrors, letting them equip him!

So what are you really saying, Gun Jesus is oh so preshus and dear because he "forgives" the sorcerrors?
Johann Bode - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 22:02:15 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Anne Frank is by no means a Jesus. Sure, she may be extremely efficacious at a Jesusly function, but she does not by any stretch reach the level of being "one of three".

What Anne Frank is is a jesus-grenade.

And what's key is that she is by no means the only one. Take John Mccain as a super profound example, he even is a bit more generally Jesusish, so he should be easy to note, but he's still overall just a jesus-grenade. Joan of Arc may be too crude a conception, Saint Stephen and all those other truest followers would just be, well, jesus-echoes. Columbine may have failed to muster a proper jesus grenade because they could get their story straight about who the "she said yes!" girl actually was. Seth Rich was probably a jesusgrenade. That swedish prime-minister-in-waiting who was knifed to death by that Serb should qualify as a jesus grenade. Theo Van Gough was a jesusgrenade.
Arena Tycoon Ebenezer - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 22:06:12 EST ID:0zj6+h0P No.4822261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The laws of Entropy disprove the existence of god with absolute certainty.
Jason Brilz - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 22:10:08 EST ID:QHamlr/e No.4822264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No.. it really doesn't.
AliceDrubblenit.xlt - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 22:29:20 EST ID:i/JsCGrO No.4822272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I don’t see how she’s a “Jesus grenade” at all. She just wanted to live. She’s a cute little girl whose terrible fate in war was chronicled. it’s just about survival and death by the sword. Is every tale of such a thing now supposed to be lauded as some bigger philosophical issue? Some attempted savior deal or universally important cause that only looked like a smaller picture at the time? Because sometimes man I think what you do is just no bigger than just about not getting your balls blown off or being pissed about a girl and Elliot Rodgering over it, or doing some other shit that really can’t be hailed as terribly notable and certainly not savior-like behavior, and it just ends up romanticized by commentators instead like some kind of pretentious art critique.
Johann Bode - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 22:52:12 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's what they can and do say about every jesus grenade! Look at it this way, if someone is fed assloads of grains and shit, for the methane from their gut to be harvested, and eventually, they are given liposuction so that their bodyfat is used to make napalm, does this in any way lessen the bombings that they have been used as an equipment factory for?

The effectiveness of such an approach becomes even clearer and more vivid if we envision the destructive payload to be biological agents rather than literal-explosives, which a human is naturally a far better vehicle for.

Do you want her accused of being a full blown Jesus instead? Do you want her accused of persecuting money changers, faulting all manner of actions around her, and being a zombie mingling with horsemen of mega and giga death in a global sulfur war?

Not every jesus grenade is like the vulcan who comes along in Sarek's shuttle in that early-ish STD episode with the flashbacks to the vulcan planet, in fact, probably no jesus grenades are like that. Those would be Samsonlings, there, be happy that there's now a term to clearly separate out your muddling fears!
Johann Bode - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 23:03:57 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Is every tale of such a thing now supposed to be lauded as some bigger philosophical issue?
It's not about whether it's supposed to. It's simply the case that it does get lauded so.
Spencer Fisher - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 23:20:19 EST ID:4tA9JXq6 No.4822284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
[I don’t understand]
Arena Tycoon Ebenezer - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 23:54:01 EST ID:0zj6+h0P No.4822295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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But if heaven is real and the second of law of thermodynamics is also real. What stops everything going towards a state of disorder. How does god guard himself against the second law of thermodynamics?
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 01:09:24 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why is it so hard? A jesusgrenade is a thing that's thrown, so the whole fuss about it not having propelled itself into the blast zone is such a non-sequitor.

Of course, you could say this about someone that goes and blows up at others wrecking themselves in the process, that they're just following principles, hence are still passive in a fundamental way. So a true jesusgrenade is passive in two ways.

The point is, the shrapnel of a jesus grenade isn't literally their bones, it's the social consequences of those that chose to value them increasingly after, being thrown at whoever's in attack range of the tear-whores that so embrace this miniature echo of jesus that they make so profound. The jesusgrenade splits into an impecably tantalizing set of bone javelins for tear whores to launch.
Samuel Ninnerfat - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 01:09:38 EST ID:vYT30l5D No.4822345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A true atheist wouldn't acknowledge anything to hate besides their situation if they are unhappy. If they are unhappy with god then no you are not an atheist because your hatred is for a god and you can't hate something unless you acknowledge it's existence
Samuel Ninnerfat - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 01:15:22 EST ID:vYT30l5D No.4822346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What if I call my penis a god. It has the power to grow and shoot semen. Some semen demons use ritualized sucking to worship it and harness it's power. A god is anything that can be worshiped in my opinion and if a group of people wanted they could point to a cloud and call it God.
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 02:47:37 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You are nuts!

You are also no different than a christian or muslim, and one fairly off the deep end at that! "You better be a true atheist, you better be an absolutely committed atheist! You better see absolutely nothing to hate!" What the fuck?

You expect someone to deny the existances of John the Baptist and Paul of Tarsus? Really??
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 07:59:35 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822446 Ignore Report Quick Reply
First off, yes he did, and second, that's the whole fucking point! That's what religion is all about!

He said that you shall not hate the centrepiece of the religion if you do not believe the religion. He said that you shall only hate the thing that's real close to yourself, ie. he's advocating "inner jihad", like abrahamists often do. And let's look at what else he said:
>If they are unhappy with god then no you are not an atheist because your hatred is for a god and you can't hate something unless you acknowledge it's existence
>your hatred is for a god
See? See how the twisted "logic" chain lands? See how he's going out of his way to underscore the supposition he needs to justify this repression-notion? Well it's wrong.

Atheist most certainly can hate the cross. Do you people expect twue atheists to even here do nothing but deny, to refuse to see, do you expect adequate atheists to believe that the dreaded Romans never executed and put up for display enemies of their social order?

You religious appologists can't even dare to focus on "denying Jesus" as opposed to god. You're being that defensive with your puny argument.
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 08:57:31 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822451 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I said "inner jihaad". You know, greater jihaad? Don't you be trying to sneak into conflating it with common jihaad!

I see you're flipping out promptly as this god is fixed with an actual identifier, "Jesus". Mind you, there are still atheist who absolutely believe that Jesus never existed.

You're weaseling around, you defend a statement saying "for an atheist, there is nothing to hate" then you try to slide over into "there isn't a god to hate".

Oh yeah, and I pointed out very vividly that dislike of "christianity" is not simple. Mind you, I do see people with simple dislike of catholics, and people with simple(but intense) dislike of southern baptists, and of course people with simple dislike of mormons.

Also, hating god, and possibly also sporadically hating god, is very possible by means of metathesis. As I've been explaining, it's totally coherant to hate the pillars of a religion ... Moses, Samson, Mohammed, Solomon, the wailing wall, Metatron, the ark, Paul, John, "the neighbour", the good Samaritan, the cross, human lion food, and so on. After developping hatred for several of these pillars, it's not so hard to lose focus and at least sporadically spill a bit of hatred onto the much flimsier pillar that is "god".

And these other pillars usually take far less imagination than "god".
Hugh Crublingpick - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 09:02:01 EST ID:1bpa5Y7S No.4822452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i dont know what this post is talking about but did you all know that people who play circus clowns/shriner clown are required to create a whole new clown persona from scratch and to make up their own clown handle (AKA clown name) to which they are able to identift eachother with?
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 09:45:07 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No I did not, I don't believe it's precisely so, I knew a guy, among the flock of Protojesus, who was known, in addition to his christian/armenian name, as "zozo the clown". I remember this being explained as it being a selection from a standard list of clown names.
Holy shit, we're supposed to be having a conversation about hatred, and you keep nagging for the focus to keep on pushing and shoving towards "something as purely conceptual" as possible. Newsflash, hatred does not favour conceptual things, no matter how much some people may wish it to.

Go on then, try and take a shot at illustrating how hating anglicans/english people(especially those outside england) is not the same as hating Redcoat Jesus.

And insisting on talking about a monotheistic god is cheating, the big out-there religion that gets relevant here in deity-fluid, ie., it's ambivalently monotheistic/tritheistic. Not that it isn't possible to hate deists too!
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 09:55:05 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So talking boastfully about hatred and religions, when you don't know and don't want to know jack shit about either, is what you're attempting to construe as "sanity"?
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:13:38 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Have you been stacking LSD and injected oxycontin, leading you to such a bias against those with opposite preferences?

Don't forget to get paranoid about Khat, I have after all been failing to include enough insights relating to the very relevant pure monotheism that is Islam.
Lorna Mushcunt - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:18:32 EST ID:fpImZ+Dg No.4822475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I know one of the first things that can go with mania and related states is the ability to realize and control that you are in fact in such a state. You really do seem manic as hell just at a glance, are you ok my bro?
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:11:30 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Damn straight I say paranoid, you sure seem eager to blame me for your weak perspectives on certain religions, forms of religiosity, and so on, maybe Islam is one of them, and I bet you're seriously in the dark about the Yemen region.
Nope, no bipolar or any manic personality disorder or anysuch here. And I can recognize mania more than well enough.

Case in point: one time I was at dinner at a pub with a bunch of people from a mainline protestant backed "charity" scheme. This unipolar manic old fart was lecturing this bipolar-diagnosed girl about how she has no basis for feeling anything but pride or satisfaction about being part of such a noble endeavour. She expressed to him that he wasn't making sense or wasn't making a worthwhile case. He repeated himself. This went back and forth, on and on, constantly the same as before. Eventually, she flipped out about this, and bailed on the dinner, with her boyfriend having to wait somewhat awkwardly to take their meals away with them. This episode culminated with her appologizing on the mailing list about being bipolar.
Zerg - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:11:33 EST ID:Q20XEPEw No.4822487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is this some sort of ai vs ai argument? Who let netjester use vpns
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:14:03 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am no jester of any sort, in fact, I've never even cosplayed as harley quinn. My intelligence is quite natural, very natural, in fact, almost primal!
MarthaBuzzfuck.zip - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:23:11 EST ID:IGaxqb/X No.4822490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Joe rogan dmt elon musk new world order
Johann Bode - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:43:58 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4822495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"World order" is an incredibly peculiar notion to drag in when it's tiny little backwatters like Fyromia, Korea, Somalia, Ethiopia, Armenia, Utah, Tibet and Bhutan where religion is actually intensely serious.
Phor Twentee - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 12:33:36 EST ID:e/UBRN6v No.4822515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah for fucks' sake who is still Catholic anymore?
Vic Mackey - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 12:40:30 EST ID:zbBHOF00 No.4822519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it le ball 𒊹
Terry Gilliam - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:30:42 EST ID:EBI8DRQs No.4822538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Basically anyone who lives south of the US
Brooke Elitingston - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:44:33 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4823002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Anyone who is in any way "Latin"!

And on top of all those southern european countries, this even includes countries that merely use the Latin alphabet! However, this connection has to be fully firm, if they had used the Runic alphabet, that ambivalence trips up the Latin-alphabet basis for Catholicking.

So, England either is excluded because of having been invaded by vikings so much, or it's included due to having its own bizarelly quasi-catholic church.
Brooke Elitingston - Tue, 01 Jan 2019 03:03:53 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4823089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Okay, I'll give you one thing...

If you just hate god, then in all likelihood, you would consider him to be kind of a Xenu. Therefore, you're completely different from any sort of remotely normal theist, but you could be said to be a pseudo-scientologist. (so, better check when they're expecting to acquire their operating-thetan powers)
Duras - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 20:32:16 EST ID:TuNvkvaC No.4826311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You are wrong!

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! You're even approaching being "not even wrong"! You are so wrong, the words you use, the words that empower you to be so smugly wrong, shouldn't be so wantonly used!

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