/benz/ Benzodiazepine Discussion
I have an incurable movement disorder, and I was looking into depressant medications (such as benzos) to treat it. The only issue is I have no idea what taking a pill for the majority of my life is like. My family (irrational fear) has always told me that putting something unnatural into my body for years on end is likely to hurt me somehow.The medical response I've gotten seems to be, "If a drug is considered safe for long term use, and has no listed permanent side effects, you might as well take it if it improves the quality of your life. No permanent effects were reported in benzo clinical trials; everything returns to normal once the withdrawal phase is over."But taking benzos for 30-40 years? Something about it turns my stomach. However, this class of drugs (or similar depressants) might be the only easy cure to my disorder. Are they worth taking for decades, or will it do permanent damage to my body?
>>92849no, not at all, you are completely wrong, i dont mind at all. I take gabapentin daily for my back as well (2 bulged discs and 3 severly degenerated ones by the age of 22, now 24), but i would trade that for opiates in a heartbeat, because they actually work on the pain well. I dont mind taking a pill every day to releive me of symptoms ive been dealing with for years and have tried just about/if not every other method so far. Ive been on meds daily since i was 16, it doesnt bother me at all, im used to it. I dont see this necessarily as a bad addiction, this is a physical addiction that is completely in control and i have NO problems with that what so ever, give me a pill to make shit better, it works, and it does the job way faster, ill take the risks that come along with years of xanax use. My mom is a diabetic FFS, she has to shoot up with insulin twice a day...now that i would rather not do, simply because i am deathly afraid of needles, but having to take pills daily, doesnt bother me at all. Beats the fuck out being the nervous wreck i was, and all the shitty side effects from SSRI and SNRI and tricyclic drugs they had me on, and the prevacid sure as fuck beats daily heart burn, and the gabapentin is much better than nothing when it comes to the nerve pain caused by my bulged discs....so no, i dont mind taking a pill daily as it is.
OP it might help if you describe the symptom you're trying to treat with benzos. As someone else said the muscle relaxant and sedating effects are more prone to tolerance, and it seems like this is what you need. Benzo addiction isn't something to fuck with so there's probably sometihng better for you, maybe Lyrica or something similar
Are you spastic or rigid? What is your prognosis, are you going to get worse/better/stay the same?Is it neurodegenerative? Do you need an agonist or an antagonist?Is dopamine a big factor in your disease?Chronic pain?Without any information, I would off the bat say no. Eventually you will just be irritable and withdrawing all the time because you wont be able to maintain stable therapeutic levels. Six years and a dozen benzos later (for two movement disorders and a variety of other disorders and treatments) and I think you should try all and any other options available. I suggest baclofen for spasticity. A tricyclic at a low dose if chronic pain is a factor. Anticonvulsants and antiepileptics. Benzos should be a last resort quite frankly they are not a good long term solution.
it's weird that benzos are still over-prescribed in America (not in your case though OP that sucks) where as most other places are phasing them out because you practically can't get them in the uk because doctors are starting to realize how very abusable they are and that it really isn't a real solution to anxiety at all.I'm a bit envious
>>93201The NHS are too paranoid when it comes to benzos, most they'll prescribe is 2mg diazepam to people with severe panic disorders, what a fucking joke.
As you may have figured I really like the way the Xanax makes me feel, I really don't want to taper down from it. I've been given it to cope with the Zoloft withdrawal ive been going through due to having to stop it cold turkey (150 mg). Been extremely ill from it and am slowly recovering while popping these gems.For now I've told her I just wasn't ready to taper down, but I also realize that this is just prolonging the inevitable of having to taper down eventually.I just love the drug due to how fast acting it is and it takes the edge of my anxiety right off, I'll also have an appointment with a psychiatrist rather soon so I might be able to convince her (though this is primarily for testing for ADD).Basically I'd love to hear some advice or stories/experiences on how you kept your candy so I can too.Also first time poster though I've lurked a fair bit so apologies if anything's not in order.
>>93208Well to be honest it wouldn't at all bother me to pop a pill a few times a day, so in that respect I guess I'm quite like you. It's currently just part of the daily routine --> wake up feeling like shit --> take xanax --> all is well again. I know how wrong this is and that this isn't *supposed* to be the correct way, that aside though that its ethnically wrong. From a personal point of view I don't care at all about having to take it as I feel way better than I ever have.Also yeah my doctor already hinted at a REALLY slow taper of .25mg less every other day. Though I feel that the 1mg total a day dosaged in a balanced way is already the bare minimum so I'm not quite sure. Basically I'll just see how it goes, problem is that I've taken a severe hit to my global health and the Xanax literally makes me barely functional opposed to not at all. Having to drop 150 mg of Zoloft cold turkey has to have been the worst experience to me, EVER.So as a result I'm going to be extremely careful about tapering and I am genuinely scared about even starting to taper any time soon currently.
>>93211give it a try, your doc is just looking out for you. I got lucky, my tolerance topped out at a theraputic dose of 2-4mg/day, typically much closer to 2mg/day, and i just have to take a 2mg xanax XR in the morning, but sometimes i need a bit at night. There was a period i was dealing with a lot of outside stress, and had gotten up to 6mg/day (prescribed) and still get that script, i dont take them all the time, more often i trade them to my friend for weed, or binge once in a while, but it took about 2 years to get to the point im at now. I used to have quite a habit.... Im just looking out for you, as is your doc. Is there any reason he CT'ed you off the zoloft? Derp, you said you are "allergic to SSRIs" Can you explain that a bit please? I dont see how you got up to 150mg/day if you are allergic... Something seems fucky....not saying its you, just saying somethings fucky about this situation.
>>93179If you switch to Lorazepam, it will be easier to get off of, but Xanax is the only one that will give you that buzz. If you find the right pysch, they will keep you on the xanax (my GFs sister's psych encourages her to take it).
Why not get a script for an as needed basis? 10-15mg a month seems like an alright amount.I had daily panic attacks and am doing quite fine on .5mg a day now, almost ready to kick the habit altogether, but that'll probably lead me back to drinking and other drugs. Might as well try the taper OP! You can always save pills up and dose heavily later on.
>>93223Yeah somewhat of a messed up situation regarding that, my old doc put me on 20 mg of citalopram after a lot of back and forth confusion as she only liked to hear herself and I barely had any input on it, took it for 2 years roughly then changed doctors and as I did the citalo crapped out and just stopped functioning and gave me a bunch of nasty side effects. then my new doctor put me on 150 mg of Zoloft just like that. I was a bit like welp! but I thought I shouldnt worry shes the doctor so she probably knows her shit. Boy was I wrong, it wrecked my immunesystem, gave me a nasty eye infection, I basically came to her like a shivering mess and she was like you're getting off that med RIGHT THIS INSTANT! Then I was given oxazepam to calm me down, I said the working duration was too short and it was too weak to keep the symptoms in check, she gave me Xanax and I felt like I could at least somewhat function again. So now I'm here awaiting what's next. Hope that clears up the situation a lil' bit, basically a chain of events that eventually lead to this.>>93229Hopefully :3>>93238Eh currently I absolutely need the 4x 0.25 mg a day else my anxiety just instantly sets in, I feel it in the morning as well. So I'd prefer a steady script over an as needed script. But we'll see how things go.By the way, appreciate the input on things as a whole.
Hey guys I am not sure what exactly is going on. I have heard of a disorder where you might have hallucinations or gain energy from a benzo and it seems I have this. I did smoke and drink maybe 2-3 hours before taking 20mg of valium (second time) and have had great closed eye visuals and energy from it. I am not complaining but I am curious if anyone else has heard of this or can explain it and tell me if I should continue using valium or not.
>>93202Well, when alcohol first starts working, it is a stimulant, then it is a depressant, but on its way out it becomes a stimulant again. It is possible that you were in that phase of digesting the alcohol when you took the valium. Do not try and diagnose yourself with some sort of disorder that I've never heard of lol. Downers can cause CEVs (and so can weed, actually). Also, if you had so much energy, why were you closing your eyes?
>>93230I am not diagnosing myself with anything. However both times I took valium I got relaxed and then started to hallucinate. And I was closing my eyes to listen to music because it sounded so nice.
I'm on paroxetine 20mg in the morning. Took my last dose 13 hours ago. Two hours ago a took 1mg etizolam and subbed another 0.5mg. Is it safe to take 7.5mg zopiclone? (eszopiclone in the US)I'm one of those people who gets heavily benzd on zopi. Also mild visuals. Never mixed it with etizolam though. Would I just get more benzd, or will I like, stop breathing? Any pharmacological reasons for not mixing the two?I'm moderately benzd at the moment.Cheers lads.
I think it is safe, you will be more benzd and that's it. These are relatively low doses.Don't know much about etizolam though.
yeah dude they are regular doses and it's practically impossible to OD on benzos
>>93181eszopiclone is a different drug to zopiclone. 1.5mg eszopiclone = 7.5mg zopiclone
Yeah dude, youu can mix benzos and z-drugs, more benzing. Benzos might be overpowered, maybe a waste.>>93236Eszopiclone is the dextrorotatory stereoisomer of zopiclone, the active one. Zopiclone is sold as a 50/50 racemic mixture, so you have to double the dosage compared to Lunesta. I'd say two 7.5mg zopiclone pills is a recreative dosage, so three 2mg Lunesta should be equivalent.
>>93246those doses I said are accurate according to benzo comparison charts. so 3mg eszopiclone is equivalent to 15mg zopiclone
I apologize for creating yet another one of these selfish, unproductive threads, but I need your help, /benz/. My usual dope connect failed to come through on our deal, so to compensate he gave me ten of what's pictured right over here <------ for free, on top of a steep discount when the heroin comes in. What's the recreational value of this shit? I have no experience or tolerance with benzos.
Take one or two will relax you for a couple hours don't mix with other downers. Will also help a bit with any opi withdrawls.
>>93186I always thought watsons were vicoden
>>93231Watson makes Vicodin yes, but that does not mean that they are Vicodin. That would be like assuming Greenstone or Sandoz ONLY make xanax and nothing else.
>>93186Look into mixing dope and benzos. It saves money and dope if you do it right. Do it wrong and you dry drown/suddenly die. Visit /opi/ for more info on potentiating dope with benzos.
im thinkin about havin pure alprazolam sent to mi casa but i dunno guys got any experience with shipping/doing alprazolam i've only done regular ol school busses
I have and it is literally the exact same thing.
A lot of those cheap scales you can get aren't accurate to the mg. Be careful with measuring it out.
>>93242I would hope he already knows that and plans to dissolve it into some sort of solvent
>>93242*all. Unless you have a real lab balance you won't be able to weigh them down to 1mg which is why I wouldn't fuck with benzodiazepine powders. You could use the liquid measurement though.
...refill day! 60 1mg footballs for meee :D and its 3x daily so I get refilled in 21 days. And I paid a whopping $4.18 for what's equal to 30 bars. Gotta love doing shit the legit way.
>>93215lol'ing at not being seventeen. I got my first benzo script at seventeen.
>>93213the expensive part wont be the benzos, the doctor will be the most expensive part of that endeavor. My xanax is 14 a month before insurance. My doctor is over 200 a visit. So...unless you spend a shitload a month on xanax and have a true habit, may just be best to quit taking it. Because even then you arent guaranteed a script for benzos necessarily.
the whole world =/= america
>>93222My guy would give me 100 2mg bars for $300, i live in california and i currently have no job (18, just graduated and the only person financially looking over me has passed two months ago) How would i go about getting some cheap insurance . I understand this is a benzo board so sorry if it's starting to get off topic.
>>93225there is no cheap insurance man. Insurance is fucking expensive. My advice if you want good insurance, go join a union, or go get your piss clean and get a job in a shop doing manual labor, specifically construction. IME, those always seem to have good insurance plans and also pay well. Your guy is an idiot for allowing you to buy so fucking much BTW.... There was a reason i warned people i was moving when i moved, and i never sold more than 5 to a person per week, minus those who resold it (which is a good amount, i know, but its nowhere near what i could have done). In your situation there may be something to help you out with insurance, but i really dont know, havent looked into it, and this is your problem, not mine, and i have shit i gotta do today, like go to work (union pays really fucking well let me tell you) and look for an apartment.
I just got switched from Lorazepam to Xanax and I'm about to try it tonight. I've been drinking. What can I expect?
>>93119Yeah it's very subtle. Some people never notice how fucked up they are until they pass out.
>>93076Well, the Alprazolam is much much more euphoric than the Lorazepam. Hits much harder. Not sure if I like that. I mean, obviously I LIKE that, but I don't take it to get high, I take it to sleep.
I personally love ativan. It makes me really chill, and doesn't knock me on my ass like xanax does sometimes. When I'm in a stressful situation it feels euphoric af.
>>93232Haha yep, Xanax is the king.Oh god dammit, I just remembered dreaming about finding a bottle of xanax bars in my late grandmother's house. Fuck what a letdown, I really thought I had found 200mg last night.
>>93237man, that happens when im stressed the fuck out. If im stressed ill find a bottle of bars in my dreams that night. If im in pain/really sore, ill find a bottle of oxys... sucks when you wake up to no pills thinking you have a full bottle
Hey guys sorry to bother yall and sound like an idiot but google has failed me. I have a 2mg Xanax bar and I'm wondering how to get high off of it. I never do anything unless I know how to take it. I assume 2mg is too much considering Ive never done it before or any benzo. I weigh like 145 if that matters. Thanks for any help you can give
>>93227I mean, it depends on whether or not you have anxiety or not. 1mg will fuck you up a lot. 2 mg won't kill you but you'll probably black out. .5mg will still fuck you up pretty decently. You try starting out with a low dose and working your way up, but most people end up taking the whole thing if they go that route. Don't expect to feel trippy or do much of anything and do NOT drive. Your best bet would be to take 2-4 hours before bed and watch some cartoons and possibly smoke some weed. You shouldn't drink on it (unless you want to have fun) because Xanax by itself is extremely safe (you need A LOT to overdose) but it becomes a lot more dangerous if you drink on it (and it's a lot easier to black out and potentially hurt yourself). If you are going to drink on it, drink A LOT less than you normally would A LOT slower than you normally would(like say, 1-2 beers spread out over a couple hours). It's not that recreational of a drug, but if you have anxiety it can be quite enjoyable. Don't do it with friends. You won't want to talk to them and you might even end up being mean to them. You might take it and then want to go to sleep. In fact, that's pretty likely.
>>93228Wow thanks for the advice, i do have some anxiety so ill take it slow and start low
>>93228I was agreeing with everything you said until> It's not that recreational of a drug, but if you have anxiety it can be quite enjoyable. Don't do it with friends. You won't want to talk to them and you might even end up being mean to them. You might take it and then want to go to sleep. In fact, that's pretty likely. I've found xanax to almost be like alcohol, in a pill minus the bad things of alcohol
> It's not that recreational of a drug, but if you have anxiety it can be quite enjoyable. Don't do it with friends. You won't want to talk to them and you might even end up being mean to them. You might take it and then want to go to sleep. In fact, that's pretty likely.
Today I received in the mail some MSJ 10mg valiums from you know where.So I popped 10mg, 90 minutes later had another 10mg followed by 10mg sublingually soon after. I didn't really experience much feel-good. I was just slow and clumsy. #4 hours later I found myself waking up from a nap, don't really remember taking off my jeans or anything so I must've lost a bit of memory.Anyway, what went wrong? Did I dose too much? Should I swallow or sublingual? I have no prior use of benzos, weigh 120lbs, what should be my starting dose?
>>93168there's like ten more snaps and two of her in the present day. and a facebook profile link.i'm gonna try get ahold some xanax but there's no reasonably priced ones at sr. The best I can find is powder but then I'd have to make a solution but there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that. can anyone point me to a good guide on such a preparation?
Haven't tried any regularly prescribed ones yet, but in my experience, Etizolam is a rather good compound for nice benzo-like feelsgoodman and idgaf-mode. Pure etizolam is pretty awesome, if you like short half-life.
>>93174well post the rest ffs, shes pretty damn cute....
>>93174my name is john and this just made my day thank you pls post more lmao.
>>93174feel free to post them bro
I've been around long enough where I deserve one of these, and the old one isn't bumping anymore....BUMP WHILE BENZO!
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>>91093long day turning Soldier Field from what was Spring Awakening back to Soldier Field. 4mg xanax and a cup of tea and some trailer park boys. Start on a new play tomorrow, just glad i have steady work right now.
Comment2 liters of alcoglhl and lost count of how much etiz ive takn + some tobaccio nto guive it a kicki have a bg bag f extra etiz that i coukld just dump into my next glass of alcogol and it woul dprobably do me in efiorefeverbut im scaredf dyingand yet scared of livingdybnno what to do
>>93199And that, my friends, is the last we ever saw of Edwin. RIP
>>93218that pic looks like my area, rocks sea and trees.nb bedtime.
how long does it usually take for physical dependance to start? i get like 1-2mg etiz/ kpin benz'd out like 3-4 times a week. i've never felt w/d at all and i'm wondering if i ever will or am i fucked?
>>93187how long you been doing this? With kpins, they have a relatively long half life, so i would assume for someone who is still on a fairly low dose, you wouldnt notice wd in the time you go between dosing, try going for a week, lmk how that goes. If it sucks dick and is physically unpleasant, you are already addicted. If not, its a matter of time, quit while you can friend.
>>93189i went 11 days like a month ago. ive been taking benzos for probably like 6 months. what does the first onset of w/d feel like, just so i know
>>93187Anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months depending on many many things.
>>93193Feels like the opposite of being on them. Anxious as fuck, muscle spasms/cramps, easily agitated. Believe me, you'd know.
>>93197whats funny is now, on top of the opposite feeling, i get a lot of the feelings that you get when you take too many benzos, my balance goes to shit, i start slurring, really tired all the time...benzo w/d for me is like being benzed, but having nasty headaches and all this unpleasant shit on top of it.
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