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How long for physical addiction and... by Alice Duckforth - Mon, 07 Jan 2019 06:25:15 EST ID:6NiIqVD7 No.145108 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I've just got back a source for diazpama
Me I wanna know how long it takes until you start getting addicted ?

I've fucked with these in the past a long with etizolam an other rc stuff then just stopped.
Got these an zoppies mainly for sleep but I've been taken then cos I like them as well.

>How often can you take them without getting withdrawals?
>I was taking them last night and drank a fair bit,I know it's dangerous but can handle my ale an drugs so I wasn't passing out but what I have noticed I've woke up without a hangover is this due to the Valium working on the Gabba receptors ?
> BIG question how come when I use them to go asleep I only get like 5 hours but when I wake up I feel fresh and like that's more than enough sleep ?

Btw I know the dangers of this drug I'm putting me stash away now till end of next week or somthing so I don't start devolving addictions or tolllerences
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:05:31 EST ID:XkdLSsRD No.145177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145108
>I wanna know how long it takes until you start getting addicted ?
Hard to say. Most medical literature says 2-3 weeks, YMMV. The longer youre on the train the harder it is to get off.

I didn't find stopping after years of use to be THAT awful but for others its living hell.

>How often can you take them without getting withdrawals?
Every individual will be different. The best answer is infrequently as possible.

I'd say once biweekly would be pretty conservative, maybe you could handle more frequent. YMMV. Trying to take benzos long term without medical supervision is kind of like rolling dice.

>I was taking them last night and drank a fair bit,I know it's dangerous but can handle my ale an drugs so I wasn't passing out but what I have noticed I've woke up without a hangover is this due to the Valium working on the Gabba receptors ?

Really unlikely. There are a lot of other factors that play more heavily into hangovers. Like hydration.
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 23:19:58 EST ID:t8lReBf3 No.145198 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145108
>Without getting withdrawals?
Benzos are not intended for usage over 2-4 weeks. Anything over that is getting into the danger zone of physical addiction. The Ashton Manual indicates that physical withdrawal for typical benzos sets in between 6 and 26 weeks of usage, but newer literature suggests a shorter time period as per TinyTrip's reply above.

>Receptors
Well, it isn't uncommon for someone to take a benzo to help deal with a hangover. But, I haven't necessarily heard of someone no longer getting hangovers because they take benzos. Short-term, I have heard anecdotal reports of people taking a benzo on a night of drinking and having a less harsh hangover.

>5 hours of sleep
People get better quality of sleep when taking a benzo/z-drug rather than drinking. If you feel that 5 hours is adequate I personally do not see a problem with this. 6-8 hours is standard, but 5 hours isn't horrendous.

>I know the dangers
Good, stop while ahead.


Tapering by Leman Russ - Sun, 06 Jan 2019 00:59:01 EST ID:xfZyUmB9 No.145091 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm a long time (10+ year) benzo user who has never been in a position where I needed to taper. I've always managed fairly well with no issues.

Recently over the past few months I have been taking small to large doses more and more frequently ending in daily use for fear of having a seizure if I stopped. I was going to stop like a month or 2 in but I didn't want to seize out and also didn't want to not have my 2-3 times a week rec dose so I started taking daily instead of tapering then like I should have. usually its small amounts on most days and then larger amounts on rec days. Of course that got out of wack and both amounts became larger.

So its time to buckle down and taper.

>here is the important part

Despite the fact that I have been taking large amounts I have found that I can get by easily on 6mg of diclazepam/day with no symptoms or anything like that even though realistically I should need a much higher dosage to start tapering with.

If I feel fine on 6mg diclaz 1/day am I good to start tapering down from there or should I boost it up to be safe?

What should I be watching out for during the tapering process to let me know to jump to a higher or previous dose? I don't really care about most of the side effects of coming off. I can endure those. I just don't want to have a seizure.

Would it be a good idea to have a some fast acting benzo on me that I could take in case things start to go fucky? I don't have a problem having them around. I have a good supply of many things and don't give in and take things just because they are around. Obviously being in this situation it sounds like I do but when I was dosing I wanted to dose and now that I'm starting a taper I have no problem putting everything aside. I just feel like having a fast acting benzo on hand could be good if I things start to go downhill with my taper like tremors or something.
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Leman Russ - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 18:14:04 EST ID:xfZyUmB9 No.145129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145128
No problem at all.

First mild use was about 15 years ago. Dosage then was very rare during the first 3-5 years. About 10 years ago is when I started taking them more frequently.

More or less during that time up until about 4 months ago I wouldn't take much maybe a 2-3mg alprazolam, 4mg clonazepam, or an equipotent dose of many different diazepines and pretty much solely 2x/week occasionally 3 but almost never consecutively and never more than 2 days in a row when I used consecutively. On very rare occasions when it was actually needed I would take a smaller dose medicinally apart from the times/dosages listed above. I did this for pretty much the entirety of the last 10 years without issue.

4 months ago almost to the day I started taking them more and more frequently. I got a month in and got worried about cessation causing seizures. I didn't want to just stop and something bad happen. Obviously this is where I should have started tapering but regardless I carried on with my use for the next three months leading up until now.

As for the last 3 months my dosages are all over the place. Sometimes I'll take .5mg clam with 300ug flubromazolam. Sometimes I'll add 2-4mg etiz or 2mg kpins to that, sometimes I will take 400ug flubromazolam and 2mg alprazolam, others fluaplrazolam. Alprazolam, etizolam, meclonazepam, bromazolam, flubromazepam, or diazepam, diclazepam, triazolam, triazepam, midazolam, kpins, etc GHB a couple of times(not a benzo I know)

It really varied greatly from day to day. Sometimes I'd just take 6mg dicalz or 4mg clonazepam or something similar. As time passed over those 3 months the amount of times I'd take a smaller dose would fall and the frequency in which I took a larger one would grow. This is the reason I was concerned 6mg diclazepam/day might not be enough considering the chems and dosages I sometimes took.

I went 10 years of 2x a week usage at what I consider low dosages and never had an issue but in the last 3 months its gotten out of control and I just want to reign it back in. I have no problem buckling down and tapering. I have a very fucked up back and have been on pain management for a long time and work a physically intensive job so I am used to most of the symptoms that are stated to accompany benzo use. I just want to safely reign in my use without having a seizure hence the taper and the post.
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Leman Russ - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 18:20:48 EST ID:xfZyUmB9 No.145130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145128
>>145113
Also, I appreciate all of the help and time you've spent helping me with your replies as you always provide to people in similar situations.

I've been frequenting this board and many others for a long time and have had many conversations with you both in the past. I never thought it would happen to me after having it under complete control for over a decade now and seeing all the posts about it and I'm a bit embarrassed that it did to be honest hence the new namefield. I just went though a rough patch and didn't take note until it was too late. Crazy how over 10 years of responsible use can be undone in a month or two.

nb
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Leman Russ - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:14:36 EST ID:xfZyUmB9 No.145172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bumping so drm and Katz's see my replies.
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Sophie Bronkinhot - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:27:37 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.145187 Ignore Report Quick Reply
afaik the hardest on the liver are the ones with nitro groups because that's where they are metabolised to amino groups while producing some reactive oxygen species, still not really enough to be a concern for anyone with a healthy liver

most others are also metabolised at least partially in the liver but not much bad stuff is made during

the 3-oh ones are just glucuronidated and pissed out so these are the safest and have the most predictable metabolisms in people with liver disease
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 23:13:57 EST ID:t8lReBf3 No.145197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145172
Apologies for the late responses. Stick to your taper and make sure that you go either 1) use the Ashton Manual or 2) stick to the 10% per week dosage reduction.
Remember to log your dosages.

Best of luck, OP.


Which kind of benzo blotters do you prefer? by George Shakelock - Mon, 17 Dec 2018 21:23:11 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.144797 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Cheaper ones with standard doses of the common ones (0.5mg clam for example), stronger ones with the common ones (0.75-1mg clam for example) or more expensive ones with rare stuff (2.5mg nitrazolam for example)
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Henry Druttingturk - Fri, 21 Dec 2018 08:04:35 EST ID:JSUIrfUn No.144839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
rare shit all the way, everyone and their grandma has clam/diclaz/etiz/flam, youll get a fuck ton of business if youre the only source for a large selection of very rare benzos
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Archie Baggleshit - Tue, 25 Dec 2018 01:20:14 EST ID:jBd6WUSA No.144891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah definitely rare stuff, variety is important.
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Esther Sipperbury - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 04:10:43 EST ID:ogjbZIm7 No.144970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>144839
I can't find any vendors on google
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Sophie Bronkinhot - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:56:41 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.145192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
right now it's clam, flap (sorry but they sell well and are cheap in bulk), week or two later n methyl clonazepam (really good, great for tapering too + doesn't feel disgusting like diclazepam), flunitrazolam and a few weeks after that flubromazolam, nitrazolam

can say for later
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Sophie Bronkinhot - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:57:38 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.145193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145192
other than there will never ever bi diclaz because it feels like shit and etizolam because everyone has that


"New", Rare, and Oddball GABAergic Discussion: In Search of "Safe" Rx Alternatives by dr. m - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 11:10:39 EST ID:Hx+maQR7 No.143899 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Let's talk about some less known/less talked about GABAergic drugs in this thread.

Drugs to NOT talk about in this thread:

>The four (globally) commonly RXed benzos (Xanax, Ativan Valium, and Klonopin), the common z-class drugs (Ambien, Lunesta, the UK evergreened version of Lunesta), or generally anything extremely common on the streets or clearnet

>Anything commonly scripted in US/Canada

>Clonazolam, Flubromazolam, Flubromazepam (discuss ONLY when comparing to another newer or different chemical), etc.

Drugs you DO talk about in this thread:

>Any other less commonly discussed RC benzo, newer RC benzos (including FluAlp and any others), or analogues of known RC benzos (metizolam, etc.).

>Barbiturates of any kind (phenobarbital), including the common butalbital, and any RC analogues
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Phineas Buttingmut - Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:22:07 EST ID:UOWIbO97 No.144689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>144671
I don't know all that much about ghb but i do know it's a prescription sleep aid for insomnia that's like a last resort type of thing. It's one of the best sleep aids there are, it's also one of the few drugs that induce sleep that also improves your sleep architecture unlike alcohol for instance which makes your quality of sleep worse. The only downside is how short acting it is, so the people who are prescribed it (not many at all, if you have a script you're super lucky) have to set an alarm in the middle of the night to take their second dose so they stay insomnia free.
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Molly Clayshit - Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:59:53 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.144693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>144671
There isn't much crosstolerance with alcohol and zero with benzos, No, you can drink just fine, just not while under the influence of GHB.

GBL is disgusting. Truly disgusting. GHB (well made anyway) tastes slightly salty, If I were you I just get high quality GBL and convert it to GHB.

GHB makes etizolam look bad when it comes to sleep. It's basically the best sleeping medication.
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Hamilton Cuckleded - Fri, 14 Dec 2018 09:41:13 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.144734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My n-methyl clonazepam (and flualprazolam, flunitrazolam and clonazolam finally arrived today), yay

The dnm dude I bought midazolam, meth and gbl is taking his sweet time.. fucker. Really wanna try meth and midazolam

But at least a friend offered to hook me up with some speed.

Btw, what the fuck happened to flubromazolam? Used to be super common and cheap but good luck finding 50 eur/g powder now...
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Archie Guzzlefuck - Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:04:22 EST ID:jBd6WUSA No.144740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anyone have experience with nitrazolam? I have some arriving Tuesday
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Sophie Bronkinhot - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:48:32 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.145190 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>144740
love it but rarely buy it since it's just not cost effective

clam/flap/fnlam are all cheaper and stronger and feel awesome too

>dnm midazolam and meth
dude scammed me fucker

i just injected (iv) clonazolam, my arm is now full of holes... im is so much easier

feeling wise nothing special,i was mostly just practising iv for the stims/dissos/psys i get in two days

didn't really hurt even if it was in alcohol/water


Bromazepam by Charles Suddlehood - Sat, 22 Dec 2018 09:57:58 EST ID:pd1inB7j No.144858 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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As a first time user how much bromazepam should i take to get a nice high could somebody help me on dosagesM
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sat, 22 Dec 2018 17:11:25 EST ID:tcLL2ept No.144862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Try 2-3mg at first. Avoid booze.
6mg “bars” of bromazepam are the highest dosage, so I wouldn’t recommend even getting to the 4.5mg range until at least a couple of experiences.
Do you have a current benzo tolerance?
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Sophie Bronkinhot - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:34:17 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.145189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the pharma ones are 3 and 6 mg

3 mg is about as strong as 5 mg diazepam and the 6 mg as 10 mg

also it's a lot more anxiolytic and almost completely not hypnotic

(it's triazolo version pyrazolam makes the distinction even more obvious)

imo it doesn't really make you feel good just not anxious so idk if you'll get a nice high

good luck


Exercising on Benzos? by Barnaby Brogglepidge - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 05:45:40 EST ID:schip2b5 No.144924 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello /Benz/, I have some questions for my favorite board. I've recently gotten back into running on early mornings since quitting a few years back. Nowadays I take 1mg of klonopin each day when waking up, though I've been weary of taking it when running, this morning i'm gonna try with just a .5 and see how it goes. My question is:
Do any of you take Benzos while working out?
Do you notice an increase or decrease in your routine. be it cardio or lifting? Is it overall safe to do everyday?
I would love to hear some firsthand experiences or advice. Thanks guys!
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 28 Dec 2018 01:18:18 EST ID:t8lReBf3 No.144934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>144924
>Benzos while working out?
Hell yeah, I’ve been doing this for 4 years or so. When I skated a lot I LOVED to skate gaps, rails, and stairs on a moderate dose of benzos. No fear and all balls. I’m much more calm when I work out on benzos as cardio can induce panic attacks for me.

>safe to do everyday?
No, you’ll end up hooked on benzos. Do NOT do this. Benzodiazepines are not intended to be prescribed for longer than 2 to 4 weeks when used daily.
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Sophie Bronkinhot - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:31:11 EST ID:6t4v39M1 No.145188 Ignore Report Quick Reply
small doses are fine, higher doses make me weak as fuck when lifting.... couldn't even ohp 80kg which is well below my may

when i'm not natty it doesn't matter, no weakness
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Doris Sunkinfuck - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 18:47:40 EST ID:1Z7tCgOv No.145194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>144934
Sound advice, I've only taken 1 diazapam this week as a last resort they are a short term fix I don't wanna take them too often
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Samuel Dubbercocke - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:09:13 EST ID:SgSHZhyL No.145232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>144924
Yeah it helps me run for a lot longer. Can really push myself further. I’ll end up doing 10miles easy on benzos maybe 5 not. I also have pretty bad anxiety. It doesn’t help me if I’m at home really working out but definitely when I have to go out to public. I have a script though. Doing benzos daily without medical supervision is not a great idea.
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Samuel Dubbercocke - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:13:06 EST ID:SgSHZhyL No.145233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>144934
I agree but a lot of people do take them daily like myself. Problem with this is even if I am having a great day and don’t think I need them WD hits and it’s dangerous. I need them on me at all times so I don’t have a seizure. Kind of a trap you put yourself in but my life is a lot better than it was 3 years ago when I started.


Benzos not working anymore? by Phoebe Fockleville - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:20:11 EST ID:86bjiiz4 No.145173 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm fucking worried as fuck, /benz/. I'm prescribed clonazepam .5mg I take as needed and have been for about a year. It always worked great when I needed it, take one or two and I'm chilled out and can continue with my day, take a little more and I'm relaxed as fuck all day.

Last month I was prescribed 20mg Prozac and was feeling great. The past couple weeks, however, have been really fucking shitty. I wake up panicking, anxious all day, and usually extremely depressed as well.

I rarely "abuse" my benzo script since I take it for legitimate reasons, and when I take them I give it at least a couple days before I use them again to avoid building up a high tolerance.

However, I don't think benzos are working for me anymore, and that REALLY scares me. I've been panicy and anxious as fuck for the past couple weeks, and today I took 2.5mg clonazepam, 1.25 Xanax and 4mg lorazepam and just ever so slightly feel anything at all. And usually just 1mg clonazepam calms me down. I'm still in an awful headspace. I'm anxious as fuck right now and I'm still very depressed at the moment. It's getting to the point where it's actually debilitating.

What the fuck gives? I'm legit scared benzos don't seem to be working for me anymore. Could it be my Prozac counteracting it or something? I really don't know what the deal is.

I love my benzos, but I'm scared I might need an alternative. Is there anything else out there that docs prescribe that actually help with anxiety/panic? I doubt barbiturates are prescribed too often anymore but I would love to get my hands on them or something. Something that fucking works.
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Martin Pittwater - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 04:40:53 EST ID:Fj2iYIkq No.145176 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would say it's not even the combo but the prozac alone. It's the AD most notorious for causing adverse reactions. Also SSRIs are likely to make you feel shitty at first, maybe it will diminish over time.
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:13:43 EST ID:XkdLSsRD No.145178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145173
Could be the a poor response to the antidepressant, tell your doctor that you've had increased anxiety since it's addition.

>today I took 2.5mg clonazepam, 1.25 Xanax and 4mg lorazepam
Thats a heavy dose to be playing with. How often to you deviate outside 0.5mg clonazepam? If you frequently (or infrequently over a long time period) take dosages like this, you could have just developed a tolerance.

>Is there anything else out there that docs prescribe that actually help with anxiety/panic? I doubt barbiturates are prescribed too often anymore
For physical symptoms of anxiety there are beta blockers. If its related to agitation from a psychotic condition some will use quetiapine off label. Some people report great results from certain antidepressant medications. Depends on thebunderlying cause.

Ultimately non-pharmacological interventions should help make then backbone of treatment for most imo.

You wont get barbiturates for anxiety lol.
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Phoebe Fockleville - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 15:31:55 EST ID:86bjiiz4 No.145182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145178

Depends on the day. I rarely take more than 1mg clonazepam in a week. Sometimes I don't take any benzos at all for weeks on end. It could be tolerance, but I'm unsure.
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:05:06 EST ID:XkdLSsRD No.145183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145182
Then it seems likely you had a poor response to the antidepressant.

Hope it all works out for you fam
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Phoebe Fockleville - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:54:57 EST ID:86bjiiz4 No.145184 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145183

Yeah that's mainly what I was wondering if the anti depressants could possibly be interfering with my benzos. Like I said, i was feeling great the first couple weeks, and my benzos worked when I needed them. But I guess now that the AD's are thoroughly in my system they're not interacting well and I'm feeling like shit again.

Just didn't know if antidepressants could affect other medication like that. I see my psych on Wednesday and I'll ask him about it though. Just sucks cause this is literally like the 15th antidepressant I've been on and none of them have worked and I always feel bad telling him.

Anyways, thanks for the kind words. I hope it works out too.


Pregabalin on the next day (tolerance) by Isabella Smallfuck - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 05:06:54 EST ID:F/3q7gjJ No.145123 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi, not sure if this is the right board for Lyrica (pregabalin). I apologize in advance.

I got some pregabalin pills from a friend yesterday. It was my first time taking pregabalin so I took two. My friend (by mistake) said they were 150mg pills, but after I had taken them I realized the package said 300mg. According to the internet this was a high-medium dose so it was all good.

After an hour I started feeling sedated and walking felt like I was a puppet on a string. I tried to focus, drank some coffee, but my head was so heavy and my vision bluzzy that I had to close them and lie down. I saw some mild CEVs and drifted to sleep.

I woke up seven hours later still feeling a bit odd. My eye-hand coordination was fucked and I felt really carefree like I was on xanax. Now it's been a bit over 12 hours since my dose. I don't feel the effects anymore, only slight tiredness. I still have one day of holiday before work and I kinda want to try pregabalin again, but this time only 300mgs. If I take 300mg now, will it be a complete waste? How long does it take for pregabalin tolerance build up? Are there any ways of boosting the high besides alcohol and benzos?
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Frederick Tootstock - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 12:06:44 EST ID:NVx4SelS No.145126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145123
as has been said WD is nasty. I used to take 1-2grams lyrica and never took it regularly. it wont be a "waste" for you to take 300mg but it wont be as intense as the first time, which it sounds like that's what you want.
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drm - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 14:40:46 EST ID:FahpUBis No.145127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145123

While you might be fine this one time, this is a drug class with tolerance increases that do NOT fuck around. All three of the common gabapentinoids (gabapentin, pregabalin, and phenibut) raise tolerance like no other.

Honestly man theres only two ways to use gaba/pregabalin recreationally. You either do a massive dose very rarely like seriously every 2 weeks max, or you keep you doses extremely low and dose 2-3x/week in combination with 2-4 servings of booze and a medium dose of benzos.

Basically benzos should be the main course, with low low doses of gabapentinoid, booze, and/or muscle relaxers ontop.

It's basically 1+1+2= 6 though, so be extremely careful and learn your limits.

Lately I've been using like 2.5 servings of booze with three 5mg flexeril tablets, 100-300mg of staggered gabapentin, 0.5-2mg xanax (low dose for me), alongside 50mg hydroxyzine and 100ug clonidine.

Basically the gabapentin just magnifies the benzos and booze etc, metaphorically similar to how benzo and barbiturate combo works, its to do with the sodium in channel in thatone drug increases the duration the channel is open, and the other increases the rate the ions or whatever pass through the channel itself.

Now I'm not saying specifically that's how benzo+gabapentin works in a technical sense, but it's how the combo should be treated in terms of risk.
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Graham Dosslefield - Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:06:47 EST ID:F/3q7gjJ No.145137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Holy shit. I didn't realize gabapentinoids were so complicated. I read up on the possible WDs and, man, that sucks. Thanks for the info, everyone. I didn't take Lyrica yesterday, but today I'll try it with some Xanax and weed. I'll probably doze off pretty quickly.

>If you want to play it super safe, weed+gabapentinoids is always a somewhat safe bet.
By "safe" do you mean low risk of overdose or do gabapentinoids fuck up your brain?
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Doris Pigglesteck - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:56:35 EST ID:1Z7tCgOv No.145170 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>145137
Yeh I might scripted them soon, if I do I guess I won't be doing much while on them
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Cornelius Himmerhitch - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:25:40 EST ID:s4kW69bz No.145179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145137
I used pregabalin for months, 150mg twice a day and stopped without tapering, didn't notice any wd, but it's possible to experience them for sure.


If not benzos then what? by Jenny Lightway - Fri, 04 Jan 2019 14:55:11 EST ID:NVx4SelS No.145048 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Long time user of benzos, im here a lot and i always give the same advice. Don't take benzos long term. But for some people are daily benzos the only thing that works for them?

I'm at a point where im down to taking 20mg diazepam every other day, and it's been that way for a few months. I can never go more than a few days without them cause my baseline anxiety is just too much. My anxiety has been so severe and im suffering so much that it is not sustainable. I wont go into the embarrassing details of my life but im not functioning,

i dont leave the house, have no friends and have shunned family for 6 years, I don't shower or brush my teeth, im too anxious to do anything but sit in a chair and try not to cry. Honestly the only way my life would get worse is if i died, so with symptoms as severe as this, should i be on daily benzos or keep losing this fight of getting off of them? Should i say screw it and start taking like 20mg diazepam a day because nothing else is helping? I see awesome people here taking lots of benzos are living quite successful lives even with daily use.

In case you're wondering I am prescribed escitalopram, trazodone, buspirone, olanzapine, propranolol and have had 3 years of cognitive behavioral therapy. After all this and for me to still be stuck at home it feels like a helpless situation. I may go to the doctor tonight so if you recommend any medications or changes im all ears. Thanks guys.
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William Crittingdon - Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:28:38 EST ID:4MoEIaUb No.145155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145154
Did you even test it? Propanolol is good for physical symptoms like sweating or racing heart but it doesn't do much for mental part. That's why I stick with alprazolam for life.
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drm - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:23:51 EST ID:Q4bnvgJh No.145164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145154

Try to get some clonidine. Clonidine works better for me personally. Both only help with physical anxiety.

The best non benzo combo is hydroxyzine+clonidine OR propranolol+ daily buspirone.
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drm - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:34:21 EST ID:Q4bnvgJh No.145165 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145048

Honestly you sound like you could really benefit from some dexedrine (better than adderall side effect wise) to get you going, switching to 10mg diazepam daily, or maybe going as drastic as say 0.25-0.5mg suboxone snorted per day.

Most likely you need an SSRI that's speedy enough to get you involved in life, but not too much that you get overly anxious.

To answer your question, yes it's better to be dependent than to not go outside, fear interacting with people, and "forget" to shower for an entire week because you're disconnected mentally.
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Doris Pigglesteck - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:21:26 EST ID:1Z7tCgOv No.145167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145155
Exactly bro, I've been put on propoanol, I've taken time off work, work out at gym so I don't stay in all the time, I do like xanax and diazapam but have only taken them in a small amounts every few weeks I can see how they can be addictive..
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Doris Pigglesteck - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:23:29 EST ID:1Z7tCgOv No.145168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>145165
Good advice


Fake MDMA = Benzo lol by Nicholas Hopperworth - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 20:55:36 EST ID:qdLgP0cO No.144998 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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https://dancesafe.org/testit-alert-green-powder-sold-as-mdma-in-knoxville-tests-as-diclazepam-a-benzodiazepine/

>A baggie of green powder was submitted to EcstasyData.org from Knoxville, TN. The powder was sold as MDMA, but tested as Diclazepam, a benzodiazepine.

Can you imagine? lol
Alright boys get ready for the night of your live, Im gonna party and dance all night I can't wait for this magical empathogenic experien- ZzzzzZzzzz....
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John Turveyshit - Thu, 10 Jan 2019 01:09:51 EST ID:PMWQtox7 No.145147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wasn't that the plot for The Hangover lol?
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Edward Blettinglot - Thu, 10 Jan 2019 01:27:59 EST ID:O3m4Q1Ns No.145149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145147
Aye, The Benzover
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Cyril Grandson - Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:01:23 EST ID:l6g3+N4+ No.145150 Ignore Report Quick Reply
assholes like this fuckass dealer is half the reason why rcs get banned
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William Crittingdon - Thu, 10 Jan 2019 14:14:21 EST ID:4MoEIaUb No.145153 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You all do realize that most dealers don't test what they get, right? They just push it, so maybe someone higher up than this guy is to blame
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Emma Peggletutch - Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:27:44 EST ID:lYpvDLxF No.145271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145153
Someone further up the supply chain would likely be longer in the business and know how much more likely you are to get locked up or shot for shit like this.

It's probably someone's dumbass friend who lied about that shit, not an actual dealer.


ITT we post our most legendary script combos we have had all at one time by Nell Mundlenet - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 09:42:40 EST ID:0bxAZSpt No.143653 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I will start. For 2 years I was prescribed 3x 0.5mg clonazepam, 2x20mg Adderrall XR, 500ug clonidine, cyclobenzaprine (can't remember the amount) and 12mg suboxone all daily. What was your best concurrent round of scripts?
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drm - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 23:43:11 EST ID:fLKnWzSh No.144980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>144098

This right here.

I now get 540x10mg dexedrine IR, 270x8mg suboxone, and 270x5mg flexeril every 3 months with only 1 piss test every 3 months.

My doc only gave me 50x0.5mg ativan once when I filed for divorce. He specifically had a pamphlet saying that suboxone patients getting any benzo at all, any z class whatsoever ambien lunesta sonata etc, and any gabapentinoid medication would only be for extreme cases and one off minimum dose scripts.

He wouldn't even do gabapentin long term. Just SSRIs+hydroxyzine+clonidine because I ask.

But honestly since I already get addy/dex and subs, the most logical thing to do is buy RC benzos online and call it a day.
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Clara Blindlestock - Tue, 01 Jan 2019 01:42:16 EST ID:86bjiiz4 No.145001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>144905

See I would totally do that, but I'm just scared that they'd flag me as an addict or some shit and take away my benzo/addy prescription which I actually need to function
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Lillian Hammerket - Tue, 01 Jan 2019 22:15:57 EST ID:I0sAtiD7 No.145006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>143653
Current:
120 x .5mg kpins
150 x 10mg norco
90 x 150mg Lyrica

Tbf I’m in cancer remission, have chronic pain and nerve pain, panic attacks, among other mental shit. Also get flexeril, ropinorol (muscle relaxants) and some antidepressants. Don’t advise getting cancer but it does open you up to a range of medications and weight loss
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JJzz !A5AaLrxsK2 - Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:19:28 EST ID:deIXbwgL No.145057 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Current: (May 2018 to present)

>60x 8mg Subutex
>90x 800mg Gabapentin
>60x 50mg Hydroxyzine

2nd best: mid 2014- late 2016

>60x 20mg Adderall IR
>90x 50mg tramadol
>90x 300mg Gabapentin
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Julian Casablancas - Thu, 10 Jan 2019 00:34:31 EST ID:i3fcB4ky No.145144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>143653
did you get all this from the same doc? is there anyway of me getting my current xan script supplemented with some type of adderall or ritalin from the same psych?


Ambien walrus by Frederick Gobberwill - Sat, 05 Jan 2019 16:21:09 EST ID:nuZ0vqVz No.145076 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Post stories, memes

I'll begin

>60mg of ambien spread throughout the day, no sleep
>went to grab a pizza from supermarket on my bicycle, succeeded
>put bicycle back to basement
>my drumkit is in the basement
>start drumming until neighbours come complaining
>dance while waving drumsticks, they leave
>???
>nothing of value was lost
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High Strung - Sat, 05 Jan 2019 17:24:53 EST ID:VPU/mRFL No.145078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Was very briefly on Ambien before I realized it left me constantly drowsy and sleeping for 12-14 hours at a time... on it for less than a month, so I only have one funny Ambien story:

>take my Ambien
>decide to read in bed for a little bit
Wake up the next day......
>2 history books about Yeltsin-era Russia on my desk
>Notebook open
>Tons of notes, underlining, highlighting
>The notes are legible and coherent

I wasn't even in school at the time, I was between my BA and MA.
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Nathaniel Billingbanks - Sat, 05 Jan 2019 19:01:05 EST ID:J1Pa/RDl No.145082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I did 20mg and had a weird trippy head space. I didn't do anything wild per say, it was just trippy
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Martin Sablingbanks - Wed, 09 Jan 2019 10:49:21 EST ID:nuZ0vqVz No.145136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP here

Yesterday after about 1L of wine i took 10mg diazepam in hope of getting some sleep, didnt work. Then took 20mg of ambien to make sure i get some sleep, didnt work... spent the rest of the night turning from side to side. Weird stuff this ambien.
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Angus Blullerlit - Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:43:40 EST ID:O3m4Q1Ns No.145139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145136
Are you sure you were tossing and turning from side to side last night? Just sayin'; Tiger Woods probably didn't think he was flattening suburbia in a neighborhood watch Escalade at the time of the incident.
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Martin Sablingbanks - Wed, 09 Jan 2019 15:23:53 EST ID:nuZ0vqVz No.145141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>145139

Can't be sure but i always take notes of my dosage and i woke up (repeatedly) on my couch with everything else in place so i guess tolerance is the issue here.
Drinkin some gin now. Alcohol, benzos and z-drugs(ambien) all seem to be cross-tolerant so it's no wonder...


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