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epam vs olam by Cyril Sandlebanks - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:11:20 EST ID:6egkqpI2 No.137166 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Out of the benzos I've tried the ones that end in -epam tend to give me the best effects (I've only tried about 5 benzos so it' a small sample size as of yet). I know the chemical difference between two but I don't understand what it means pharmacologically.

This also makes me wonder why there isn't anything like "etizepam" or "alprazepam"
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Fucking Senningway - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:44:28 EST ID:6egkqpI2 No.137176 Ignore Report Quick Reply
pls respond
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:35:58 EST ID:8+FfCjhh No.137177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
IIRC triazolobenzodiazepines end in -lam while traditional end in pam.

The difference being that the -lam have an extra triazolo ring, they're often the benzos that tend to have real "kick" associated with them.
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Fucking Senningway - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:21:09 EST ID:6egkqpI2 No.137178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137177
yeah thats correct, but for me the feeling of the -pams is better, i actually feel "high" instead of getting pretty intense delusions of sobriety that I get with the -lams. I mostly made this post to see if anyone else has the experience.

I also don't understand why there aren't versions of etizolam and alprazolam that do NOT have the triazolo ring.
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dr. m !gWLn19/oKs - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 15:01:49 EST ID:8Q1aoe1K No.137179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137166

>why don't these type of benzos exist?

They do. Look at Clonazolam

>Clonazepam+triazolobenzo = Clonazolam

Someone can synthesize all of the drugs you've mentioned, just remember that any unknown drug could be dangerous in humans. Look up MPTP and MPP+ and ask yourself if it's worth the risk.

This is why I just do the ~1-4 safest RCs in a drug class and usually call it a wrap, like etizolam (not even a RC), phenazepam, and diclazepam (the only risk is diclazepam itself, in that we haven't used it directly in humans). Sure why not try cLam a few times, but for the regular life those are more than sufficient.
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Hannah Povingway - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:06:50 EST ID:UysRPQ/6 No.137193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137179
I mean specifically why hasn't anyone made etizepam and alprazepam. I am very aware that many of the benzos we know and love have a tiazolo and non triazolo version, so why dont etiz and alp? If they were somehow deadly that would be a perfectly valid reason, however I've looked them up and i don't believe anyone has even attempted to synth them. I personally don't know of any benzos that have been overly dangerous or had dangerous byproducts but if there are examples of that id love to hear about them

Also I've heard the story of MPTP and it's a toxic byproduct of another drug that from what little i've read seems relatively safe in and of itself.

I know there are a couple drugs that have been made that both get you hugh and have extremely awful side effects. But since when has this stopped anyone from making and testinf new chemicals ya know? theres always gonna be some ballsy person who tries it out first


Ambien for benzo withdrawal by Wesley Carringbock - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 23:03:45 EST ID:rf6gn85y No.137011 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Would Ambien stop benzodiazepine withdrawal?
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Wesley Carringbock - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 02:13:57 EST ID:rf6gn85y No.137019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137013
I am asking because I'm going through benzo withdrawal and I'm wondering if that would hinder the process.
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William Snodspear - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 23:46:43 EST ID:K4DwwT9K No.137039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137019
Well yeah, it acts on the same receptors in the same way. Mechanistically there's no real difference between z-drugs and benzos.
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Shitting Smallridge - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:49:24 EST ID:AM2IXNTC No.137048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137039
But it of course doesn't last as long. So in other words, yeah it'll be more helpful than drinking beer but it'll wear off soon enough and basically just help take the edge of the process.
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Ernest Grimbanks - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 15:40:41 EST ID:Ox/yCmUc No.137180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137039
z-drugs are more selective for certain receptor subtypes so it's not entirely interchangeable but they're similar enough. Something is going on with them considering the crazy delirious hallucinations that you can get with them but not benzos.
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Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 20:09:26 EST ID:8Q1aoe1K No.137185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137180

This. I recall Ambien being more selective for GABAa, whereas most benzos are non selective? Yet Lunesta seems to be non mostly non selective as well. This is why I hypothesize Lunesta is less likely to cause hallucinations compared to Ambien. I forget where Sonata lies within this comparison.

For the record, if I was in benzo WD my health's at risk, seizures aren't fun. If all I had was alcohol, I would drink either light beer or diet cola no caffeine w/ rum, just 1 serving per hour slowly sipping as much as you can. Then you kill the drink at 1hr. Consistency is key. Then to sleep I would probably do 2-5 drinks and try to get some sleep. Just don't run out of booze, and your body will only be able to handle this for 3. maybe 4 days max.

>ambien vs booze

definitvely take Ambien. OP it's perfectly legitimately to hop off benzos and use z drugs to sleep temporarily. It's more drastic than a taper.

The key is staying within medical dosing rang or forget it. Even with my tolerance, I usually never take more than 2-3 of the highest dose of each z drug. It's either not strong enough, worse delusions of sobriety than benzos, or too strong, possible tripping (I haven't tried it in high enough doses yet. I want to try weed+Ambien+say 200-300mg dxm hbr if it's safe to trip). It's too inconsistent person to person. I see one person take 10 ambien and drink an entire pint of spirits, and another guy take 1mg of pharma xanax with 2 ambien and he sleep walks into the car and sleep drives it into the garage door at 3mph.


Clonazolam by Ebenezer Fovingpack - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:04:19 EST ID:MPRjicNh No.137112 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How bad would it be to take 50mg clonazolam in about 24 hours? I think I'm about there. Fuvk me.
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Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:21:42 EST ID:Q+MC/w37 No.137114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137112

brain damage and seizure when tapering
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Ebenezer Fovingpack - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:51:20 EST ID:MPRjicNh No.137119 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137114
There's a part of me that wants to die "accidentally".. : /
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Ebenezer Fovingpack - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:52:24 EST ID:MPRjicNh No.137120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137114
>>137114
There's a part of me that wants to die "accidentally".. : /
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:58:20 EST ID:8+FfCjhh No.137121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137119
Well it to be fair it is significantly more likely you'll suffer long term physiological damage than actually dying.

The part of you that wants to die "accidently" either didn't play a part in this or didn't think this through.
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Slippery Pete - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 23:11:34 EST ID:2EnpPJdv No.137174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137112

I really don't wanna scare you, but if you're going to try and taper (I suggest using Diclazepam, although I have no idea how high of a dose you'll need to help you taper off of a fucking monster dose like 50mg of Clam) but it's gonna be a long, excruciating and dangerous process.

When I was heavily taking clam, I was at roughly 2.8 mg per day.. and the withdrawals were pretty uncomfortable. I was lucky enough to have a calm taper with Diclazepam though.

You should go to a hospital, tell them what's going on and prepare for the worst. Seriously, you could die withdrawaling from that high of a dose. Please be careful.


Benzo Sadness by Jenny Feffingstare - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 20:10:58 EST ID:yOYIzjSR No.136999 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone else feel depressed and semi mad when they take benzos? I took about 5mg of klonopin and although i felt great in the beginning I feel sad now. I dont think its withdrawal because this is the first time I've dosed in months.
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Sophie Smallforth - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:51:38 EST ID:LBVUet1q No.137022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137018
Yeah a re-upload. I was really sad seeing it vanish from my favs.
Now I need the Need for Speed vid back!!
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Cyril Hongerman - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 11:47:43 EST ID:B1GWxIEF No.137046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137018
nice
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Walter Panderbetch - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 01:48:18 EST ID:K4DwwT9K No.137068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136999
Depression and low mood is a possible side effect of benzos for some people.
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Dr. Katz - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 01:54:16 EST ID:LNlHBoqv No.137070 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136999
I've been on benzos for just over 5 years and I have definitely felt SOME depressive symptoms, but never anything crazy.
The worst side-effects that I have ever had were from Ativan (lorazepam). The agoraphobia, nausea, and depressed mood were unlike diazepam, clonazepam, and alprazolam issues that I have ever had before.

The best way to curb the depression is to maybe take a lower dosage and find an outlet. When I was in high school and not into any kinds of pills (except RX'd opiates when I had a skateboarding injury) I noticed that a lot of people with underlying and untreated disorders became depressed, violent, suicidal, and just all around terrible to be around. I have only have benzo rage when I had first taken alprazolam, but that quickly subsided.
Find healthy outlets ---- exercise, eating healthy, cooking, hiking, socializing, hobbies, etc.
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Jack Songerwater - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 01:17:02 EST ID:B1GWxIEF No.137155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137018
love it fam


benzodiazepine withdrawal by Cedric Hirryfield - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 00:42:20 EST ID:rf6gn85y No.136982 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How long does it take for benzodiazepine withdrawal to begin? I know etizolam is a newer benzo type drug so this is a general question for any benzo. I have been using etizolam 2mg once a day in 15 day runs. 15 days on, 15 days off. I have done this 3 times. After 3 times I might be feeling withdrawal but can't be certain because of overlapping things happening in my life right now. Thanks.
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Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 15:14:00 EST ID:Q+MC/w37 No.136992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136990
Yeah I sure do. It's called the

>Natural Law acknowledged by the U.S. Constitution
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Ian Dummershaw - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 18:35:59 EST ID:noWDwD+v No.136998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136982
Depends on half life and how quickly your body metabolizes it. I was on Ativan with a short half life and hit full withdrawal on day 6. People on valium or klonipin can take 2-3 weeks! Read this.... http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php
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Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 20:02:36 EST ID:Q+MC/w37 No.137009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136982
For some reason, benzo WD hasn't ever hit me like opi WD.

I've been fucking with etiz only again, probably 1-3mg per day average with off days.

I thought I was sick from something else, then realized I hadn't had any Benzos in 3.5 days.

It was mostly pseudo nausea and anxiety (I had lots of thebaine unfortunately, and it made it all worse.

Just remember that while etiz is more forgiving in dependency building, an etiz addiction feels like a fent addiction because it's so short acting. At my worst I was popping a 1.2mg pill every 2 hours or so.

Consider tapering with a longer lasting benzo.
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Brainbastus Werrywag - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 01:08:43 EST ID:ubdIQtw4 No.137065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136982
Is that triazolam, OP?

If so, uuuuugughhhghguuuggghhhhhh muh limp dick.
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 19:02:24 EST ID:8+FfCjhh No.137130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136982
>I have been using etizolam 2mg once a day in 15 day runs.

I really try to be as informational as possible from a harm prevention view point but damn man, did you even read up on this drug before taking it?

Hypothetically (it will obviously differ between individuals/the duration of time/ drug taken), you are well past the time line of expected wds, whether minor (I'd assume that's more likely but not a doc), or minor.

Benzo wd is highly dependant on halflife and metabolism, should be relatively short for etiz. 1~3 days.


I'm not going to lecture or tell you what to do, but man that dosage (although yeah I know it's not crazy by any means) is a real dosage that tends to be monitored by a Psych with the expectation of a taper. 45 days of taking (despite being non-consecutive) isn't something to play around with.

Plus etizolam is neither new nor a benzodiazepine.

>>136992
This, and nice to see you Mario


methods of benzo withdrawal by Wesley Carringbock - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 00:54:24 EST ID:rf6gn85y No.137015 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What are your methods of withdrawing from benzos? I have found opiates to work and also to tapper off with a longer acting benzo, but what are your other secrets?
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Bombastus Werrywag - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 01:29:01 EST ID:pms+D2hz No.137016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's only one method to withdrawal from benzos.

Stop taking benzos.
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:37:56 EST ID:8+FfCjhh No.137028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137015
Gradually reducing my dosage based upon my comfort and avoiding kindling.
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Dr. Katz - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:16:19 EST ID:LNlHBoqv No.137059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137015
The best way to get off of a benzodiazepine is to taper with a long-lasting benzo (i.e. diazepam). The Ashton Manual indicates conversions between benzos. Really, the ideal way to taper for a long-term user is to slowly get off of your benzo by replacing it with diazepam --- this means NOT just switching to an equivalent dosage of diazepam day one. You will want to be stabilized on a long-lasting benzo and then taper down completely. Tapering can be very tricky for some people and it is quite common to get "stuck" at a dosage level. You might think jumping down 10mg diazepam at a time is a cake walk, but you may hit a point that your body does not tolerate further drops. It's all a process.
Understand that relapse is in the cycle of addiction. Relapse is common.

As >>137028 said, reduce your dosage based on comfort.
You do not need a long-lasting benzo, but it is a better idea. You can do a 10% dose reduction per week and finish tapering in 10 weeks. That's a relatively fast taper compared to ones that last 6 months to 2+ years.
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 18:43:02 EST ID:8+FfCjhh No.137128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137059
Truth, Katz is right that it is generally common medical practice to use a long acting benzodiazepine for wd. As described to me once "It allows my patients to better manage the time between dosages while withdrawing and the decreases, but getting them off the last amount is a bitch"
Personally, I would agree with this statement based on my anecdotal experiences when I self tapered of clonazepam

Hypothetically, there are "short cuts/band aids" what have you but I mean at the end of the day you're either; taking a medication use for legitimate purposes (often relating to epilepsy), potentially trading one addiction for another, or running the risk of kindling (look that term up if it's unfamiliar). The long taper is a bit of a bitch but it's the tried and true.


benzo withdrawal by Charles Greengold - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:07:13 EST ID:rf6gn85y No.137098 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If I am going through benzo withdrawal and i take a benzo does that restart the length like in opiate withdrawal or no?
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Brain - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:39:34 EST ID:IT5Qn6Js No.137099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137098
Maybe not a full restart but it does set you back. Correct me if I'm wrong Katz/Mario/wang
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Dr. Katz - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:10:42 EST ID:LNlHBoqv No.137101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do NOT drink alcohol during the withdrawal process. I have known many people to do so thinking it makes things better but it truly does not.

Also, familiarize yourself with the Kindling Effect.

>>137099
Yessir. It's a set back.
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Emma Nanderbene - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:54:00 EST ID:UhFBj5nv No.137104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137098
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Dextrolord - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:58:06 EST ID:UhFBj5nv No.137105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>137098
I am getting to the end of benzie wd's myself and I would strongly suggest tapering for a week or two if you've been using for over a year and heavily like myself

I tapered for a week successfully to avoid panic attacks and lessen chances of seizures.

Kinda off topic for the thread but important info regardless


Won't try getting high again by Hedda Winkinchedge - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:19:22 EST ID:2XQbAiWj No.137092 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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76mg Xanax in a 4 hours span and I barely even felt it. I looked tired but remained completely coherent and 'normal' plus it still took time for me to fall asleep.

I've been taking this shit for 10 years now. My tolerance is off the hook. There's no point anymore when I use more than an entire 60x1mg box at once and not feel shit. So fuck that.

Now's the fun part, getting off with the tolerance that I have. But all in due time.


Lorazepam by Nathaniel Hoshstut - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 02:48:32 EST ID:1DaAVUAx No.137072 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Got a pack of 1mg lorazepam. Is it any good recreationally? How many would I need to take?
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Bombastus Werrywag - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 02:59:57 EST ID:ubdIQtw4 No.137073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>137072
two and then snort a line of coke


dodged a bullet? by Frederick Cebbercocke - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 02:59:32 EST ID:m8RBtQUS No.137041 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>7 months ago
>start using etiz daily
>up to 10-15 mg a day by a month or so
>start taking diclazepam every 2 days for w/d maintenance
>stop taking etiz by month 4
>up to 15-20 mg diclaz every 36-48 hours
>start trying to taper by month 5
>down to 5-7 mg every day and a half or so 3 weeks ago
>6 days ago, accidentally lose stash of 150 mg diclaz pg
>panic, totally broke, can't re up
>but after a week of no benzo use at all, no w/d, no rebound anxiety or insomnia
>feel completely normal
What happened? Did I just get lucky? Or am I in for an awful surprise of withdrawal hell to come? How do you go from a 7 month benzo binge to feeling great?
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Edward Murdham - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 10:21:41 EST ID:A7h559bI No.137045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
maybe you dodged a bullet and maybe you did not. granted, a week is a long time, but i still wouldnt risk it and get some emergency benzos if i were you. after all, the withdrawals can be lethal in extreme cases


Beer+Diazepam by John Clemblebanks - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:05:36 EST ID:8K6vS/Zw No.137026 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hai /benz/, I took 5mg diazepam and opened a beer. I remembered about mixing alcohol and benzos so I decided to vomit the diazepam; this happened about 2-3 minutes after ingestion of the pill and a sip of beer. The pill came out whole but was beginning to "melt".

Am I cleared to keep drinking my beer? Or should I play it safe and ditch it? I don't want the beer to go to waste!
Also, I smoked a bit of pot before all that.

Thanks guys.
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Frederick Brurrymune - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:42:48 EST ID:AM2IXNTC No.137029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll answer in exchange of answering my questions
https://boards.420chan.org/other/res/127759.php#i130002
https://boards.420chan.org/mdma/res/225724.php
I normally only check out /benz/ and /opi/ so didn't realize how ungodly slow all the other boards are.
>The pill came out whole but was beginning to "melt".
Save it, also lol wtf 5mg?

>Am I cleared to keep drinking my beer?
Yes aside from the fact it was such a low dose of benzo (speaking of which what were you doing with one anyway is it Rx to you? In which case you should be aware that it builds up in your system so you probably shouldn't drink period if you're normally on it daily, and don't stop taking it to drink) you won't have much absorbed anyway.

Aspirating vomit is the thing you probably know about and that is mainly why people tell you it is dangerous to mix (it is dangerous to get black out drunk period and I habitually sleep on my side if I did anything for that reason) but it isn't choking on vomit while you sleep that's the real worry. The real worry is and this is a classic this board is asked nonstop, that you drink more than a few beers, and/or take more pills, and act like raving lunatic until the cops come. Odds of you blacking out are high. Odds of being an ass guaranteed.
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:49:10 EST ID:8+FfCjhh No.137031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Erm from what I can decipher in your post, I'd guess that you should be ok within moderation. Benzodiazepines + alcohol is a highly potent and synergistic combination, but I don't think you needed to force yourself to puke 5mg of diazepam.
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John Clemblebanks - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:57:20 EST ID:8K6vS/Zw No.137032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>137029

I'm afraid I can't answer your questions... But nah, I take diazepam like, once or twice a month; I enjoy low dosages of whatever I take, usually.
Thanks for your response, man.

>>137031
I guess I want to be as safe as can be, heh.

Thanks, people. It's been a while since I last came here, feels like home.


Why are benzos addictive by Eugene Cragglebit - Mon, 14 Aug 2017 06:42:30 EST ID:yB4MZ+Ft No.136612 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can someone tell me why benzos are addictive?

I have severe anxiety and am trying antidepressants, 5 already and am in the process of getting benzodiazepines for immediate relief while the antidepressants take their 4 weeks to work.

So I haven't tried benzos yet

If they are supposed to have anxiety-relieving properties like antidepressants why are they addictive when the antidepressants aren't? I don't understand. Are they just more powerful? Is it because benzos have euphoria and other properties? Please explain to me, thanks.
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High Strung - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 19:46:21 EST ID:c3BRZaHC No.136900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm addicted to them because they help me drown out the screams of the demons in my head. Memories of my abusive childhood, of my abusive exes..... I can't sleep without them because I have nightmares when I don't have them. I get the urge to start cutting myself again when I don't have them.

My mind is a torrential monsoon of anguish and only benzos keep me afloat and functioning.
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Reuben Dessledale - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 22:28:35 EST ID:K4DwwT9K No.136903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136897
Posting as plain M is going to confuse a bunch of older users. We used to have a tripfag by the name of M, and he was seriously fucked in the head. Just saying.
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Angus Gollernare - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 23:37:00 EST ID:F6Sndtt4 No.136906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136900 love you and your pic I feel you
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High Strung - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 19:15:34 EST ID:c3BRZaHC No.136922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>136906
Yeah being Bipolar type II + PTSD = utterly sucky.

It's why composers like Beethoven and Schumann speak to me so much, as do painters like Munch and Van Gogh. And only benzodiazepines keep the tears away....
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Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 15:19:14 EST ID:Q+MC/w37 No.136993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>136903

thx gud 2 know


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