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The Right Benzo for Me? by Ian Duffingville - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 06:44:27 EST ID:az+r1pXO No.135946 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I essentially need to take Valium and drink Caffeine to be able to function in the menial service sector jobs I work. I can study,go to class and do normal non-work related things and deal with the social anxiety. I'm pretty sure I could even work an office job without being medicated.

However when it comes to working in a service job dealing with customers and doing some task that I have to get right with no mistakes, all at the same time I need something to cut the edge off of my social anxiety. I like valium but it makes me tired so I have to drink coffee or pound energy drinks and that means I have to get the dose right and drink the right amount of caffeine.

I need a Benzo that will make me calm and relaxed but not tired. I cant keep spending money on coffee and Rockstars. In addition to the prescription costs.

Also I don't/won't fuck with Xanax; that shit ruins lives. I've heard of people waking up in jail from mixing alcohol and Xanax and not remembering how the fuck they got there. I won't touch Xanax,ever.

So all things considered whats the perfect Benzodiazepene for me?
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Dr. Katz - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 11:10:21 EST ID:erd3BqPr No.135962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135958
Diazepam ruined plenty of lives and has a longstanding negative stigma around it. There's a reason why public opinion shifted on the drug. As of the past 25 or so years in the U.S. the most commonly prescribed benzos are alprazolam, clonazepam, and lorazepam. Only over the last 10+ years has Xanax (alprazolam) cultivated major public popularity and a subsequent negative image.

I would advise talking to a doctor about your needs in an anti-anxiety medication. Klonopin (clonazepam) is regularly prescribed and many medical professionals prefer to prescribe the drug over Xanax (alprazolam). Despite this, alprazolam is still the most prescribed benzo in the U.S. The main reasons why you hear more horror stories about Xanax than other benzos are due to its potency, rapid half-life, compulsive redosing, and availability. Clonazepam is more amnesic and has greater sedative properties than alprazolam. Lorazepam is just kind of there. It's a decent drug for general anxiety and subpar for panic attacks.

The stark reality is that most people should not use a benzo on a daily basis long-term. Learning effective coping skills and having an arensal of therapeutic techniques with occasional benzo usage yields much better outcomes. Also, if you already have access to diazepam just take a lower dosage.
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 14:53:04 EST ID:PeIYn8ww No.135965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135959
Youre fixture and preconceived notions on alpraxolam and benzodiazepines highlights that you should probably avoid them.

All benzodiazepines have the potential to cause those effects, alprazolam just happens to be relatively more known in terms of society.
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Nicholas Drummertet - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:28:45 EST ID:2zZUZKZP No.135975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll give you a straight answer based on my experience. Clonazepam is the best for social anxiety while still being able to function and not being extremely tired. Xanax/valium make me pass out, clonazepam doesn't unless I do way too much
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Shit Pebbleridge - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 03:17:56 EST ID:2bPXwiS1 No.135977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135975
>Xanax/valium make me pass out

same thing with me dude, it's so much more sedating then other benzos like Clonaz I don't get why people abuse it so much I just nap on it lol
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Ernest Grandson - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 02:15:24 EST ID:2zZUZKZP No.135988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135977
Yeah and for that reason i don't buy xanax anymore. I feel like its a huge waste of money. Like to anyone out there, if you arent prescribed it, save your money and don't buy them. if you are prescribed them, well fucking sell em to somebody 5 a pop and make some bank.

but back to the point of this thread, and also my previous statement. I will retract and say that actually lorazepam is the best for combatting social anxiety whithout getting you fucked up/sedated. But I have a feeling that the "high" from benzos is part of the reason OP uses them, not saying its the only reason but im sure it contributes. and i don't really find lorazepam recreational. So responsibly, go for lorazepam i guess but me personally clonazepam is like the "wonder benzo" for me.


Question by Thomas Driddleridge - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:54:59 EST ID:8qRFAkV8 No.135849 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Sup guys, so I've done benzos off and on for years now, never been addicted or anything, I have enough discipline to not even get addicted to heroin.
Well to get to my question, even after months of non benzo usage where I can be sure there is no tolerance it takes huge dosages to even get me relaxed or notice any effect at all.
Taking diazepam for example, anything below 50mg does nothing to me, it's like I've taken sugar pills. Obviously there are harder hitting benzos than diazepam in which case I don't need as much but still way more than a normal person. I've had a heartecho done where they put you under with midazolam, it had to be done twice because one syringe IV wasn't enough to cause any effect whatsoever. The nurse asked me the second time whether or not I remembered everything that happened, I said yes so I got twice the dosage. I still retain some memory of swallowing that tube down my throat. Anyway, can anyone elucidate or speculate on why it takes such amounts to cause an effect for me? Weight can't be an issue since I'm about 110-115 lbs. Sorry for rambling and thanks in advance for any answers.
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 03:09:40 EST ID:1FUgQxhi No.135864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135849
What are your other drug usages? How long did it take to get up to your tolerance (months of usage)? Can you drink a whole bottle of vodka without feeling anything? MAOIs?
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Ebenezer Murdwell - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 09:08:13 EST ID:8qRFAkV8 No.135870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135864
The most I've used consecutively was 2 weeks at the most. I take some opioids maybe 2-3 times a month. I am however on sodium valproate XR and Seroquel XR.
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Bombastus Werrywag - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:18:17 EST ID:lihR4GD3 No.135884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135870
Watcha take them for? The Valproate may result in your heightened tolerance.
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Jarvis Clungerson - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:50:11 EST ID:GwV+Vp+Q No.135983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135884 I've only taken valproate for a month now, so that couldn't be it. I use valproate against epileptic general seizures and seroquel against psychosis/schizophrenia.


Xanax XR by William Blackleson - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:35:27 EST ID:xdN+cDSc No.135852 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone know how to manipulate these so they work immediately?

I crushed them thoroughly and swallowed 4mg in a rolling paper and I didn't feel it kick in (which I always do when I'm anxious) it felt like it lasted a very long time and took a long time to start to feel relaxed, but it wasn't strong enough to make me actually feel properly medicated for very long at all.

Usually 2mg IR does the trick.

I don't like it. Wondering if I should try to dissolve it in pepsi or something? microwave it? Plug it? mix it with the blood of incompetent doctors and rub it on my stomach?

If you know a better way than crushing these, please share...

Pic is the exact pill MFR: Actavis Pharma
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Bombastus Werrywag - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:20:51 EST ID:lihR4GD3 No.135885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135856
>>135852
Normally, you can use an acidic solution to mimic the environment of your stomach. An acidic solution could either be coca cola (or any soda with phosphoric acid) or even if you want to use a light solution of HCl and then neutralise with baking soda. I've never tried this with xanax XR formations, though.
Vinegar doesn't work unfortunately.
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Isabella Blacklewurk - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:17:23 EST ID:4KRku3x0 No.135903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135885
afaik it's mixed with something that slows release so just crushing the pill wont work....

have you tried explaining to your doc that ir gives you much better relief? especially since you are asking for a lower ir dose this might work fine
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Charles Clerringspear - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:07:38 EST ID:xdN+cDSc No.135935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135903
OP here, yes I tell him pretty clearly, or at least I try, and my doc is not reasonable IMO, just for example, he gave me a ridiculous form to fill out with questions like "do you use your keys a lot" and "do you forget when your appointments are a lot" and "do you have trouble concentrating"

like an ADHD Questionnaire

Anxiety can make it very hard to concentrate, sometimes I get so anxious in the mornings I can't eat or think straight. Sometimes I vomit, and medical marijuana has helped with a lot of that and also got me off of high dose Klonopin, so...

he knows that I also have a TMJ (jaw pain) disorder which makes it difficult to eat, which causes loss of concentration, and I told him Adderall makes me clench my jaw at night...life-long anxiety disorders (I am 34) and he knows I use medical marijuana which I told him makes me stoned and so that's why I can't concentrate at times, I am also seeing a Psychologist for an eating disorder relapse (please don't judge - I am so embarrassed of this) and have lost 20% of my body weight over the past year and I am slender to begin with, but he still insisted on me taking Adderall XR every day because he is "positive I am suffering from ADHD" and when I asked him to weigh me because I wanted him to DC the adderall he said "you do look like you've lost a lot of weight" but still prescribed the amphetamines and didn't want to weigh me.

Point being, he doesn't really listen. Adderall makes me so fucking crazy. I become a goddamn maniac on that shit, even a little bit of it.

Thank god he doesn't drug test me, I argued with him saying psychostimulants made my anxiety worse in grade school, but he insists I take them because otherwise he would be forced to write in my chart that I am non-compliant. I've taken adderall before and let's just say it's not for me. You don't want to be around me on or coming off of that stuff.

So I called him on his emergency line and got him to call in more of the IR XANAX
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Charles Clerringspear - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:10:08 EST ID:xdN+cDSc No.135936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135935
*lose (your keys)

nb
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asuka - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:54:17 EST ID:rSk8JXOp No.135970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135935

i was trying for the life of me to figure out what tf the frequency of going in/out of your living area had to do with losing shit. but yeah, it seems like your doc is the same kind of shithead a lot of doctors are. it does seem like being on a long-acting benzo has been more harmful than good for you, and that hopefully a non-benzo course of dealing with more general anxiety will allow for an effective process of dealing with those spikes.

Much love to you for sharing, this is definitely something that is making me think more about how I want to approach my own treatment and medicine regimen, so it's helpful even if that was inadvertent. hope your shit got called in correct and that you can beat the ED stuff, i've been having some issues with eating and self-image lately so no embarrassment there, it is what it is.


The White Whale - Midazolam by Barnaby Chenkinshit - Sat, 17 Jun 2017 00:16:55 EST ID:O1sRDzrv No.135738 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have the opportunity to get my hands on some Midazolam. I've always been interested, mainly because I'm pretty sure that it's the only benzo that is water soluble.

Does anyone have experience with this rare benzo? Can I snort it because it's water soluble?
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George Trotridge - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 04:25:12 EST ID:K4DwwT9K No.135804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135803
Didn't mean to NB that, so bump
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Ernest Birryfuck - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 03:13:55 EST ID:WacrP8vE No.135826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135738

I've only had midazolam for surgeries, you lucky duck.

Anyways, lorazepam is another benzo that is water soluble and I've found a much quicker onset of action but slightly reduced BA from IN ingestion.

I've heard about pharma alprazolam nasal sprays as well (referenced in a chart here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713663/), even though alpraz is practically insoluble in water. I've also had my own experiences with IN clonazepam that lead me to question the belief that non-water soluble benzos are inactive IN.
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Bombastus Werrywag - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 03:17:12 EST ID:1FUgQxhi No.135866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135826
Lorazepam is not water soluble and the "water soluble" gluconeride salt is barely soluble as well.

>>135776
I've heard alternate is true. Mainly only with midazolam, though. You still get the ringing bells or whatever.
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Isabella Blacklewurk - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:27:12 EST ID:4KRku3x0 No.135905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
pills or iv solution?

pills aren't that special

but the iv solution or pure powder is worth killing for

don't snort it either iv the solution or make one from the pure powder and iv that

also it's not the only water soluble benzo
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Polly Claffingstock - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:46:15 EST ID:CKWs4I7c No.135950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I once got to IV midazolam. I went crazy and destroyed a palm tree by swinging off it from my roof. I can't really remember but I think I had fun.


My doctor prescribed me 0.5 mg of Klonopin by Polly Supperwidge - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:43:58 EST ID:nkENTLV+ No.135937 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Well,

I got a 90 qty of it and now I'm taking them 3 of them every few hours. Starting to feeling a little drunk and it's beginning to be hard to type this.

Should I keep taking more?

I smoke a lot of weed and I'm substituding the weed for the Klonopin.

Is the Klonopin high worth it or am I just gonna black out, feel blah and not give a shit afterwards??
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:06:38 EST ID:PeIYn8ww No.135938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Long story short youll run into delusions of sobriety before you black out. Similar to how drunk people often don't realize theyre impaired. If you've been dosing 1.5mg more than repeatedly with no tolerance since clonazepam is a long acting benzo it's half life can leave you impaired for a bit. You most likely didn't realize the subtle come up of clonazepam as it takes a comparatively long time to kick in.


Mmmm if you're noticing impairment my I'll bet you black out. Poor substitute drug class imo. Benzos are highly addicting, habit forming, and notoriously hard to get off of (for some)

Good luck Op
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Henry Feddlefuck - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:20:04 EST ID:RGS+xHr8 No.135939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stop abusing prescriptions. It makes it harder for those who actually need them to get them.
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Nicholas Huvingspear - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:24:55 EST ID:nkENTLV+ No.135940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135938
Good advice. I'll just stick to my Zoloft and get off the Klonopin. Thats what I was intending to do originally.

Thanks anon.

I won't abuse Klonopin. Don't worry


life without benzos by Nigel Turveyman - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 14:08:43 EST ID:OlCaVBwK No.135787 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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how different are you off benzos? are you functional?
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John Nuffingwill - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:38:26 EST ID:Pxqflvdb No.135910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
some days i feel totally chill and normal without taking a dose, other days my mind is a complete mess, my equilibrium is way off and I generally just feel awful until I take some etiz. definitely know that the WDs are capable of sending me into a total nervous breakdown, or worse, but for now I feel ok. I haven't taken any yet today and just feel kinda bummed.i would like to taper off.
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Walter Claydale - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:40:48 EST ID:9n9Pvxg0 No.135912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I cycle benzos with phenibut. Phenibut is my favorite gabaergic because it actually motivates me to do new things and allows myself to express my thoughts more clearly than other anti-anxiety drugs do. I take diclazepam on days that I want a tolerance break from phenibut. It helps to reduce rebound anxiety andl withdrawal from phenibut but unfortunately I still get mild anhedonia on those days which is why I stick to phenny as my main go-to anxiolytic since it relieves anxiety without giving me lethargy/brainfog unlike benzos.
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Sophie Pockspear - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:21:43 EST ID:kdS+uTc7 No.135914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I can function. Like, no seizures or anything. I'm just very on edge, jittery, and unable to focus. Everything sounds louder and I'm much more nervous. Someone who knows their shit would probably know I was going through withdrawal. I would be much less likely to go outside my house though since I fucking hate socializing as it is. Also loss of appetite happens. Also 0 chance of me sleeping at all since I already have sleeping problems with benzos.
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Samuel Soddlewidge - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:46:26 EST ID:Bg3JNtv5 No.135918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135912
Its definitely anxiolytic, but other than that phenibut is more like a stim to me, all night fap marathons and sleep loss included
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Basil Blommernet - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:36:17 EST ID:/MC3SJxB No.135934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nope. I'm dysfunctional without benzos. Im prescribed klonopin.
I'm not myself without it.


6mg Kpins for 3 Years--- Epilleptic by Basil Brenningfoot - Sun, 28 May 2017 04:33:22 EST ID:H33HbFHH No.135456 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Posting here since there's more traffic, and you guys are probably more experienced. I am prescribed 6mg of Klonopins a day. I have been on it for 3 years. I am epileptic. The klonopins have not stopped the seizures. I had the most and worst ones of my life last semester.

On such a high dose and with all the other medication I was on, I was basically brain dead. It is like the last 3 years never happened. Since I stopped taking everything, except the Klonopins, it is like waking up from a dream you cannot remember. I can see colors, talk to people, remember information, etc.

Basically, with 6mg of Kpins for 3 years every day (never abused them, I like opiates), what is the best and quickest way I can taper safest without dying from seizures? I am already epileptic, but I want my mind back and my intellect. I know everything there is to know about opioids, but benzos I have never really cared about.

I have Topiramate that is an anticonvulsant I am going to start taking while I taper down.

My plan once I am off Klonopin is to stop all medication. Topiramate is the last and only first line anticonvulsant I have not tried, but all anticonvulsants affect the electrical activity in the brain and basically dull my senses. I will not allow my mental faculties to be compromised any longer.

So my plan is to be instead given Midazolam in an oral syringe or an intramuscular shot of Ativan to be taken when I have a seizure come on as I always know when or slightly before a seizure occurs. This way I am on nothing, because 6mg of Klonopin should have been enough GABA to suppress any excessive neuron firing that causes seizures. It has not worked, so I will treat the seizures as they occur as nothing seems to be stopping them. I do not want to be on anything daily that makes me unable to remember three years of my life.

So the question is: How can an epileptic taper off 6mg of Kpins taken daily for 3 years without dying with only Topiramate at hand? I am seeing the neurologist next week and plan to ask him, but honestly I have no faith in these doctors and am seeking new ones.

Thanks.
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Lydia Nodgebut - Sat, 03 Jun 2017 00:11:44 EST ID:H33HbFHH No.135529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135467
My neurologist wants me to drop a mg for 2 weeks and reduce .5 for 2 weeks after until I am off, but I can take as much time as I need and call him for more if I need to. And he gave me Topamax, which I already had.

I am not going to see him again. In three years, I have seen him three times, and in one visit he kicked me out because I was crying as I was telling I was having seizures every day for a month.

I want to get off klonopin because I cannot remember the last three years of my life, and I should have graduated at 21, now I am 24 and I must graduate in 1.5 years or my tuition goes up 25%.

I was the top of my class before this shit, now look at me.

I am going to see a new neurologist after I fill the script for 120mg more kpins he gave me and the topamax just in case.

He has never run any tests on me to determine anything.

So I am switching to a different neurologist a friend has recommended. He actually talks to you and runs test. Her husband had been having seizures since 13 and it was just assumed to be epilepsy. This doctor ran tests and found out it was a chemical imbalance in his brain behind his left eye.
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Lydia Nodgebut - Sat, 03 Jun 2017 00:12:33 EST ID:H33HbFHH No.135530 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135529
50% not 25%
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TinyTrip !5pb17tfZto - Sun, 04 Jun 2017 17:59:33 EST ID:9BCcSDoL No.135548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135529
Your relationship with your neurologist is integral so I'm happy you've found one better suited to your needs.

+to me that taper sounds a wee bit on the danger zone but they are allowing you an unlimited time frame.

Just my 2c this probably isn't an endeavor you wish to take unsupervised (look up kindling effect ). I've met people who've tapered off of those dosages, and the doctor's supervising, but almost unanimously it was a fairly lengthy process. And by lenthy I mean 3 months to 1 year +, but everyone is different.

Best of luck and be safe!
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Esther Brunkindudge - Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:48:45 EST ID:eFYD5COy No.135589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I took 2mg of clonazepam for a year and had a nightmare forced withdrawal. The first few weeks were hell, and after 2 months I still wasn't myself and went onto valium.

I've never taken a clonazepam pill again.

I've been taking around 10mg valium a day for years now and it's a lot better. I went 2 weeks without it once (I was on holiday) and I felt a bit shit, but nothing too bad.

tl;dr - switch to valium man and taper down
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Archie Billerbug - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 22:34:26 EST ID:H33HbFHH No.135932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135589
So I was taking 6mg for 3 years, took 40mg one day then 10 mg for a week, then dropped down to 8mg, then to 6mg, and now I am on 4mg.

I usually take 4mg in the morning. I noticed last night, because I was up all night working, that I was feeling like shit by sunrise so I took 2mg and went to sleep, and feel alright.

I got some phenibut (which I haven't touched yet) and Guanfacine which I think is helping quite a bit. I made the bitch prescribe me Gaunfacine because I wanted it to help with my memory.

I take the Guanfacine at the same time as the 4mg in the morning.

So today I've taken 2mg and I still feel okay which I am assuming is from the half-life and buildup of the clonazepam. It usually takes me 3 days of no benzos (when I was on 6mg) to be in a state where I am bedridden and people think I need to be hospitalized.

I still have a hard time sleeping. When I had Lyrica, sleep wasn't a problem. But she wouldn't prescribe me that.

So now I am going to lower my dose again. One pill (2 mg) Kpin and Guanfacine in the morning. I will take 1mg at night. I'll do that for at least a week to two weeks then try to take the Guanfacine in the morning and 2mg in the afternoon.
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C-lam 0.5mg WDs? by Me - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:50:22 EST ID:cb5+GBWH No.135907 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've taken 0.5mg clonazolam daily for 4 days in a row now and want to take one again today but am worried about withdrawals.

I read about someone taking 0.7mg daily for 2 weeks straight and was asking online about WDs if they were to go cold turkey.

I do have enough to taper if I need (no access to any other longer half-life benzos though, sadly), but would rather just have a fair idea of the chances of needing to do so first.
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John Nuffingwill - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:30:34 EST ID:Pxqflvdb No.135908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135907
4 days? dude chill you'll be fine. may as well take some days off, you're not going to have any insane withdrawals
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Me - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:31:22 EST ID:cb5+GBWH No.135909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135908
Cheers. I kinda knew it'd be okay but just needed that extra assurance
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John Nuffingwill - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:42:09 EST ID:Pxqflvdb No.135911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135909
i haven't taken clonazolam but I have taken etiz and other benzos for 6 or so months near daily, and physical WD symptoms definitely have started to become real in my life (i would guess after a month or two, but idk precisely).
some days the feeling is so disorienting and miserable that I have to take a dose, but other days I can wake up, benzo free after binging daily and feel perfectly alright.
it seems like you're pretty self-aware of the fact that you're stepping into a potential addiction, so at least you've got that going. best wishes to you man.


/stim/ing while /benz/d by Oliver Seshham - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:01:20 EST ID:0F1i+zbw No.135850 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I might be going to a /stim/ fuelled party later. I only take /stim/s socially and prefer not to at all, but I figured that, since my inhibitions are a little low from chilling on clonazepam, if I encounter some snortable attractions, how to stay safe?

• Say, if'm on a moderate dose of a slow-acting /benz/, is there some stimulant to prefer over another?
• Other harm reduction rules of thumb? I know uppers + downers is heavy on the heart.
• I read taking a slow-acting benzo before taking MDMA can increase its relaxing effects
• Are there some /stim/s that are safer to combine with /benz/ than others?
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Bombastus Werrywag - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:39:25 EST ID:lihR4GD3 No.135882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135880
Hehe. No worries. This is /benz/ afterall and chill as fuck. And if weren't not chill, unironically tell people
>pop an ativan or ten

Anyway, yeah. MDMA and general ecstasy parties on benzos are a different time. Sort of like tripping on psychedelics with a minor dosage of a benzo but that's a different story entirely.
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StimLioness !JM2DTgXfqU - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:57:44 EST ID:tL6H7iKj No.135883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Stim and benzo is totally safe. Benzos can be used to kill stim highs or smooth a comedown.

They don't really synergize they more so negate each others effects. A lil bit of benzos can be useful for some people to take the edge off stims.

Party it up, I'd be more worried about not feeling the stims than anything else yo.
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HazyStimsGlide !owU3wSU682 - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:03:35 EST ID:e2eSzQiw No.135886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm on 250μg of clonazolam and medium doses of two different stims and I feel deeee-eeee-eecent. My heart rate's still high but the /stim/ anxiety, shaking, and sweating have all but disappeared. Like StimLioness said, they almost cancel each other out. But I feel much better overall than I would on 4F-MPH (an anxiety-inducing stim) alone.
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HazyStimsGlide !owU3wSU682 - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:26:12 EST ID:e2eSzQiw No.135888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>135886
Since I didn't even answer the OP's questions:

  • If you want your stim to temporarily break through the benzo fog, I'd go with a strong DRI like one of the -phenidates, real coke, or any number of substituted cathinones. A long-lasting but smooth stimulant like meth or 2-FMA would probably feel more subdued by the /benz/ but encourage more productivity.
  • Avoid compulsively dosing benzos (obviously) and pay attention to your heart rate even if you feel fine.
  • No comment, since I've never used MDMA
  • Not sure on this one either, but they should all be as safe as usual, providing you don't redose excessively.
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Isabella Blacklewurk - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:24:07 EST ID:4KRku3x0 No.135904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
fucking awesome

benzo + stim + disso, get it right and all inhibitions are gone

the weaker the benzo, the weaker the rest should be not to over power it

uppers and downers being bad is an opi thing not a benzo one.... if you take both one can wear off sooner and you od from the other... benzos however are an accepted treatment for stim ods

pure mdma should be really relaxing without help (some people will actually fall asleep on it), however a lot of dealers at stims to it.... 5-mapb if you can find it is even more relaxing

safe stims in general... things like mdpv/a-pvp can over power benzos and lead to stim psychosis


how the fuck do benzos work by Bombastus Werrywag - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:49:45 EST ID:lihR4GD3 No.135889 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Has anyone come up with a decent copypasta for explaining the mechanism of classic benzodiazepines on GABA routes for people who are just casual (or routine) users? I always have issue talking about this stuff with slightly scientifically minded people and they always think they're full agonists like opioids to opioid receptors or cannabinoids to their receptors.

But I haven't come up with a term that is as easy as "allosteric regulation of GABA binding affinity". Also, explaining chloride ion channels and their effects is difficult when you don't entirely understand them either.......... Anyone take a stab at it and we'll add onto it?

Or thread death and move to /sci/
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Isabella Blacklewurk - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:14:49 EST ID:4KRku3x0 No.135902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135889
tl;dr version

benzos bind to special sites on the gabaa receptor and make it more susceptible to activation by gaba

depending on the exact subtype you have balanced, more anxiolytic and more hypnotic ones


Clonazolam as a Lucid Dreaming Aid by David Sannerbury - Sat, 17 Jun 2017 18:03:55 EST ID:qtRb1tGh No.135747 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /benz/, just thought I'd put this out there and see everybody's opinion on this.

I have a lot of experience with clonazolam. I've used it to help me sleep and for the occasional anxiety attack and it's been extremely helpful for both and I haven't noticed any issues with dependency (I have taken it months at a time and stopped, little bit of rebound anxiety and trouble sleeping the next night, but that's it) though it must be said I almost never exceeded .5mg a day and usually took .125mg for anxiety or sleep. That's not to say that it's a totally nonaddictive go-all-out-and-be-fine benzo, as I've had my fair share of blackouts on it and other users as well, but I'm just giving you a background into how I've used the substance.

So I've noticed in small doses (.125mg), clonazolam produces a very strange, almost dreamlike sleepiness that no amount of coffee can combat. Maybe other users have noticed this too, but after a few days of daily use, that strange sleepiness subsides. I've also noticed that cognitive awareness isn't really affected by this sleepiness, and cognitive awareness is crucial to lucid dreaming.

For those of you unfamiliar with lucid dreaming, it's basically waking up inside of a dream. You realize you are dreaming, you are aware you are in a dream. I have kept dream journals, done reality checks, trained for lucid dreaming and my efforts have been extremely effective, so I'm already pretty good at having them. One of the best ways of achieving a lucid dream is waking up, doing something stimulating to get you thinking critically, and then going back to sleep. You retain some amount of awareness if you are able to go right back to sleep, and this greatly improves your chances of having a lucid dream.

Now, I've noticed that clonazolam, at least for me and after a few days of daily/nightly use, clonazolam has a very clear headspace. It's almost unnoticeable, which unfortunately leads to redosing, blackouts, etc. But the drug is still very much active in your system, and though it's detrimental effects on cognition are negligible, it's hypnotic effects are still very pronounced.

My sleep schedule is less than perfect, and in the line of work I do I end up working 7days a week for a few months and then having a month off, and it really fucks up my sleep pattern. I've tried to use clonazolam to put me to sleep long enough to reset my schedule, but after sleeping for 8 hours I can only manage sleeping a few hours more with clonazolam. Almost every single time, though, it's caused lucid dreaming. I'll stay awake for 30 minutes to an hour, read or walk around the house, take some clonazolam and go back to sleep. The transition between waking consciousness and sleeping consciousness is almost seamless, and an unprecedented amount of awareness is retained from waking consciousness. I've been prescribed clonazePAM before and taken various other benzos for sleep but I've never noticed this effect. I've always heard benzos inhibit some amount of REM sleep, but I haven't noticed this with clonazolam and have dreams every single night. The only other experience I have with benzos and dreaming was having INCREDIBLY vivid dreams during the little amount of sleep I managed while withdrawing from clonazePAM.

>tl;dr
>clonazolam stops having a detriment on cognitive abilities while retaining hypnotic effects after a few nights/days of use
>most properties of waking consciousness that are normally lost during the transition to sleeping consciousness and that are essential to lucid dreaming are retained while using clonazolam to sleep
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Sophie Nussleperk - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:55:40 EST ID:JrPKIClm No.135785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135747
although at a low dose you might find that you have some level of perceived clarity, it's not possible to say that "clonazolam stops having a detriment on cognitive abilities" without data. It's still an RC benzo and it's not well characterized. Not to say your experience is invalid for your lucid dreaming exercise, but just putting it out there that you can't make such broad sweeping statements without any kind of evidence
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Isabella Pubberfork - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:08:55 EST ID:wDwqGKoa No.135844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I took 0.5mg my first time, redosed about .25mg about two hours in and blacked out. Woke up in bed about 10 hours later.

Any way. I could seemlessly transition into sleep paralysis in about 30 seconds of laying down. I could focus on a noise, my whole body would buzz, and then I'd be in sleep paralysis. If you're any good at WILDing or anything else, it's super easy to transition into lucid dreams immediately from sleep paralysis. I have like 4 or 5 back to back. Crazy.
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HazyStimsGlide !owU3wSU682 - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:52:19 EST ID:e2eSzQiw No.135890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've wanted to post a thread about benzo dreams since the beginning of June, when I had a neat experience with clonazolam. Looks like my procrastination has paid off!

I've never had "lucid dreams", but I had some wildly vivid dreams one of my first mornings after taking clonazolam. Every dream had a comedic or absurd twist, but most topics were so grounded in real life that they barely seemed surreal. The only one I remember is an ugly, misshapen face with thick, green sludge oozing from the mouth and nose. Like that character from The Goonies, but fatter and with a serious mucus problem. Ordinarily, such a dream would make me think I'm getting sick or something in my life has gone wrong, but it was just funny.

The "benzo dream" hasn't happened again since I started taking clonazolam at least three times a week.


Tapering (and also harm reduction general if you will) by Walter Wopperforth - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:14:59 EST ID:S66Vh+C9 No.135873 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is there any way to fuck up tapering?

I hate opiate withdrawals and never want to experience benzo withdrawals. So far the two times I've had to taper have gone well.
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Isabella Tillingshit - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:18:09 EST ID:GYdQ9iab No.135887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>135873
You can't taper too long or it's ineffective, you're going to be uncomfortable and need to accept that fact. Tapering eases withdrawals but you'll still experience minor effects. Don't give in and dose your regular amount. If anything taper in a two part system: 1 dose in the morning, and hold out on a 2nd dose. But still keep those two doses about half of what you normally take.


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