>>345300
Consider asking for an E test. It might be too low. Also, are you doing laser hair removal/electrolysis? The only real thing hindering your passing right now is your facial hair, honestly. Unless you're a baritone who walks like a linebacker irl or something.

>>345301
E: 647 pmol
T: 0.6 nmol

So Ideal basically. The avg female T level is 1-3.

Estrogen has a suppressive effect on testosterone by itself and my doctor said that 1/3 of his patients don't need AAs to get their T into the female range. Patches are much stronger than pills tho. They're like injections but with a stable hormone intake instead of spikes.

>>345272
Um I've only been on mones for 10 months and I'm almost 30 so my facial hair was much stronger and thicker than someone starting in their teens or early 20s.

The E level was kind of a guess to be honest but it was definitely 600 and something. According to the doc cis girls have 200-1000 depending on where they are in their ovulation cycle and trans women need to be placed somewhere in the middle of that. He said 400 was enough but I could go higher if I wanted so we upped the dose by 50.

DICKS EVERYWHERE

>>345304
Going to see my doctor tomorrow. Going get a test for E levels. Also will ask for a change of med's. Hopefully he complies. I havent got any money for electrolysis or laser. Pills + doctors appointments + sperm storage have cost me approximately 2500 - 3000 USD worth in the last 12 months.

>>345227

>128

198*
my bad
pretty big difference

>>345238
hey :D where are you from i am around your age whatsup :DD

>>345238
You mean, you're 16?
GO FOR IT

and post pics too

a pre 18 transitioners are rare actually, I'd love to have your timeline

>>345227

I said normal relationship with a cis girl. (Not in general.) I'm attracted to girls, so me transitioning would affect my chances of being with a cis girl. (unless she's a lesbian but even then – I won't have SRS in a million years 'cause I'm broke, so I won't be fully female for them.) I want to eventually start a family with a cis girl, so me not being able to afford sperm banking and ending up sterile due to HRT is a problem for me.

I am jealous of girls who don't worry about these things.

Normal relationship? Normal person living a normal life? Who doesn't want that? lol. I hope I cleared that misconception there. =p

>>345256
That's the thing, though. I'm scared. I don't know if I should or not.

>>345210

>that manvoice

eeeeh

>>345210
WAIT. WAIT WAIT WAIT. Is this OP?

>>345295
that's not me

>>345193
The problem with SRS vaginas isn't that they don't look like porn vaginas.

It's that they look like porn vaginas.

They have no natural weirdness, no variance, no oddities, no anomalies and no weird growths like you'd expect in a vagina.

No weird flabby lips, no strange wonky clits.

It just looks like someone perfectly made a vagina there.

>>345298

>Sir! You ma

>>345297
I don't know any software that would do it right since everyone's face is different. Someone suggested if you're considering it, you can try this chick in the UK to photoshop your face. virtualffs.co.uk

Ya, it costs money, but so does FFS. You can probably find someone online for cheaper/ free (fiver? any chan board?). But when you're ready for FFS, you'll not only have saved enough money, hormones will have done maximum changes to your face.

>>345252
>>345254
Dude, I'm pretty sure it's just eczema or psoriasis brought on by dry skin, chill the fuck out. I get irritated skin with little bumps too on spiro.

>>345281
NO

It must be JOHNSON SYNDROME

don't argue with me

>>345282
It could also be Lyell's syndrome!

Try to get more sun and check back in with me in two weeks.

>>345239
maybe get it checked out with a dermatologist?

>>345276
It also depends on what the definition of average is for a cis woman.
Cis women have monthly peaks and there's also the age factor, I mean do you want the average estrogen level of a woman in her 30s? how did they find the average? do they gave a 40 year old hon the same as a 40 year old cis woman?, or do you want the levels of a 13-18 year old girl cos I would expect there to be a big difference.

I would think that having slightly higher than average levels of estrogen for the first 3 years and then falling back to average would be more beneficial for development as it would somewhat simulate puberty, if you're young and healthy you shouldn't experience adverse effects.

A few years ago I watched a short documentary/interview on you tube about a Brazilian transgirl who did exactly this and she looked amazing.

>>345277
your endo is trolling you

>>345277
My endo once said I was bullshitting to claim that hormones had any sort of discernable emotional effect (at about the same time that I was going through that shakey T+6 month period). Some professionals just aren't that good at their job, question everything, and ask for a second opinion if you can.

>>345276
Crap, ive got some balding issues as Well. I dont know how i could.take more--- Im the one who posted the liver damage thread. Do you think i should ask for.a second opinión? I really dont want to vecindad manly and gross. Anyone know If injectable or transdermal e stickers work better? I still ejaculate but its clear. Would rather die of liver failure as a girl than live as male

>>345287

If there is ever even an instance where you don't feel confident about your results, YES, get as many opinions as you can and as soon as possible.

Never trust a single doctor. Never. This is YOUR health, not their's. Use them, don't submit to them. There's no evidence-based medicine for this stuff yet, no specialty school fields of study, no degrees, no solid standards of care, so most of them only know what they've studied on their own through original research and experimented on their patients, and we know every patient is different.

I can't comment on your liver damage, that's really unfortunate... I would just say try searching for a respected clinic/preferably endo somewhere that's in a place that seems like it would have more experience with younger trans patients. If that's not possible, I'd suggest investing in an orchiectomy. They're one of the easiest and cheapest procedures, and it would kill those T factories dead for good. Castrates don't go bald.

>>345246
hahahahaha~

>>345226
goths can look good.
also its just a label

>>345246
thats not girly i do that all the time and i am male

>>345279
#justbottomthings may be a bit more accurate

>>345274
It's not a label... it's a fashion trend and "lifestyle".

>>345103
you sound like a cisgirl I know. It sounded like speaking was tiring though, so more practice? It sounds pretty great as is however.

You also pass (is that your real hair?)

>>345140
it isnt my real hair, its still growing out. :)

>>345089
Wow, thanks @ pass =D
Your voice doesn't sound bad but there's too much resonance with some sounds and the pitch could be a bit higher, although it's still in the right range, I think. At the start especially, it sounds like a girl with a deepish voice but it gets lower/more resonant the more you talk, especially at the ends of words/sentences. It's really hard to not let it drop there, but practice will help. =/ Anywhere when you're alone (shower, car, etc) you can just talk to yourself or sing to yourself. I usually just find a random page on wiki and read it aloud for half an hour or so. Your voice doesn't have to be perfect; you just want to exercise and strengthen the muscles.

>>345103
Your voice sounds good but is perhaps a bit breathy. You could try exhaling more air as you speak to project it a bit more. It also helps to breathe with your diaphragm. It's fine as it is though. =)

>>345089

>You sound like a guy, but I could see that passing (if your face/body pass).

so how do I sound like a guy? In what respects.
I'm not trying to be snarky or anything so sorry if the tone might sound defensive, but I'm just genuinely curious so I can improve and such.

Is there anything in these nonsensical ramblings that sounds good? lol, too high. I really need to start practicing and getting good at this. I came out to my mom and stuff and it prolly won't be long before I like post a pic of me and make up and stuff on fb loool, if I look good ofc. So yeah.

http://vo[c]aroo.com/i/s19AiQWDrFym

>>345026
That is a good point actually... I remember something about that it's not too uncommon with trans siblings (if trans = 1/300~, then there should be very few trans siblings), because there's something wrong with their parent (not necessarily trans)... or something.

>>345027

Thanks. That is how i see this issue.

Still I am kinda worried about my sister, or rather about her future offspring. She is kinda stupid and wouldn't consider same thing happening just because she isn't TS.

People are so retarded :(

>>344828
Well, took me a while to get back to this thread, but I can speak from experience both from the time I went off spironolactone, and the time I went off of cyproterone, which happens to be right now. Going off spironolactone produced dysphoria, and given it doesn't really have the power to kill your balls outright in a short period of time, it caused my testosterone to rebound, making for some unpleasant androgenic effects. If you don't mind suddenly sprouting hair, getting all greasy and sweaty and hating every minute of it, it's tolerable for a single round, but doing this every month or two sounds like absolute torture.

That said, cyproterone is infinitely worse. I could at least function while off spiro, coming off cyproterone caused not so much androgenic effects as the symptoms of adrenal insufficiency. Massive depression, personality changes, losing all hope, wanting to self harm, stomach pains, muscle pains, loss of appetite and absolutely brutal exhaustion. This lasted about a week, I'm on the upswing right now though. YMMV though, the exhaustion and depression are definitely hallmarks of coming off spiro as well, but at the time I masked it with drugs.

>>345026
I've also speculated about the possibility that certain environmental estrogens may be having an effect on fetal development, and this effect could be localized within families if they live in the same area, or if they drink from the same water sources or containers. There's probably a genetic factor at play when it comes to risk for being trans (those genes that regulate fetal hormone levels are definitely hereditary), but given how much we've realized in recent years that certain human products are getting into the water supply and into containers for water and food, there is the possibility this may be another factor at play. If your genes already predispose you to having trans offspring, endocrine disrupters certainly could push it over the edge.

In my case I can't really speculate, we may have had only plastic dishes in the house when I was conceived, but I can say with certainty that the male side of the family has always been quite effeminate, so I actually do suspect genetics to a certain extent. nb because I already bumped with my last post

>>344580
bumping this post

>>344802
I'm not a troll. I just don't know why it isn't more based around actions and more about estrogen and spiro.

Leave this place, and never return.

both of you look fucking ridiculous
>>344737
>>344611

I'm going to take OP seriously because he's probably not the guy in the picture and I've sort of had the same idea. I'd be transitioning the other way, but I thought just thinking about myself as a guy (without telling other people) and presenting more masculine could work out. It's not been working out that great.

I'm still obviously a girl which makes people see me and treat me as a girl. Then they get very confused when they hear I'm not a lesbian.

>'transition transition transition transition transition transition transition'

That happened, too.

Being a feminine guy may still work for you, but you asked.

OP is a fuckn transvestite, end of story.

>>344983
Source? I am simultaneously repelled and fascinated

>>344988
They did a lot of phytoestrogens too. Herbs and beans similar to soy, and the like.

>>344992
Phytoestrogens don't do a whole lot of anything.

Speculation. You'd probably wanna take testosterone so you can run farther and build muscle.

>>343468
i was on hormones for over a year then i couldnt afford them anymore and its been two months. My skins getting worse, i'm becoming less emotional, but what really sucks is the hardons and my sex drive ramping up. I hate it. I almost wanna take a knife to my dick.

>>345169

>Bette
>random capitalization of start

fucking phone. -_-

>>345169
i dont have balls i have ball :DD

>>345196
keep it up half way there gurl :DD

>>345170
you killed the joke lol fag XD

>>345204
fug :DD