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Socialized Healthcare & FFS/SRS by Phineas Sugglebury - Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:05:30 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399771 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Are there any countries where the government will pay for FFS or SRS?
How about for non-citizens?
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Edward Buzzham - Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:45:14 EST ID:Kwikk5W8 No.399787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So that they can slip undercover operatives past foes more efficiently? Yeah, amazing idea!
Betsy Hinkinherk - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 01:21:45 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399788 Ignore Report Quick Reply

If it meant free FFS for myself then it'd be worth it, lol.
Martha Goddlenirk - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:32:04 EST ID:dXjxYlXV No.399797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Most European countries don't cover FFS, on account of it being cosmetic. Most of them do cover SRS though.
But no, not to people not covered by public healthcare, so you need to be either a citizen, a recognized refugee or some other reason to be included like some kind of long term work visum.
Molly Bugglemat - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:41:27 EST ID:q740nNE7 No.399798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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here in sweden they will pay for SRS (only hons get that here tho), breast augmentation, face laser/electrolysis, body hair removal and hormones

tho the thing is that the waiting time is INSANE. i contacted the trans clinic here in stockholm october 2015 and im still only going to occasional meetings with a shrink and doing brain tests etc. no talk of hormones or anything. thank god for online pharmacies.

my friend has been waiting for hormones for 2 YEARS here. its ridiculous, theres no way theres that many trannies here. everything i go to the clinic the waiting room is empty
Phineas Billingham - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 15:46:45 EST ID:B3RqrDUG No.399799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Given how awful that sounds I'm betting a bunch of them just offed themselves.

Traveling to Thailand by James Blapperneg - Tue, 02 Aug 2016 15:20:46 EST ID:3CsNzdqe No.399585 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Has anyone here veen to Thailand for FFS or SRS?

I want to go because of the cheap cost but hesitant because I don't speak the language and have never been out of the country. Is Thailand sketchy? Will I get lost or stranded? Advice?
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Jenny Mepperpag - Mon, 08 Aug 2016 04:42:46 EST ID:xLrjuslx No.399718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This is from a few weeks ago.
Suporn keeps raising his prices.
Charlotte Blytheham - Mon, 08 Aug 2016 05:01:58 EST ID:sPJhIdOb No.399719 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Cool, so its basically on par with what US surgeons are charging for SRS (from what i can find atleast)
Molly Pollysuck - Tue, 09 Aug 2016 00:42:11 EST ID:W0jOKx6B No.399724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Neither McGinn or Bowers have good reputations. Think about it. Why would you want a tranny doctor who wasn't even a surgeon but just decided to learn this one procedure to do you srs. Think about how fucked up and Stupid and distracted the trannies you know are. Now you want one of those to do a major surgery ?

I would prefer a man to do that is devoted to his work because men are typically more obsessive with their work and professional reputation.

I heard good things about Meltzer. He does two step procedure. Great depth. Good aesthetics. I'm not getting srs so I dont really have a dog in this fight
Molly Pollysuck - Tue, 09 Aug 2016 00:43:57 EST ID:W0jOKx6B No.399725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The truth is that all ffs surgeons will sue you and go after you if you try to spread bad information about them in public or their patients go to tell them "so and so is saying this is she right ?"
Sophie Wommerhurk - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 13:23:22 EST ID:0fzorwlZ No.399796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's countless testimonials about self trips to Thailand on youtube like this one (didn't watch, just skipped through it)

Just need to filter through nutjobs who babble on and on about politics of FFS or their personal cringe fest drama and watch the fact based ones that just describe the applied process and what is involved, like how do you get from the hospital to your hotel and how do you eat afterwards.

Absolutely make sure you get traveller's health insurance, if you get into a car accident or something without it you're totally fucked in Thailand.

Debt or Play it safe? by Charlotte Hondernig - Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:28:05 EST ID:3CsNzdqe No.399733 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How do I determine if I should just say "fuck it" and go into debt?

I have the means to go into roughly $30,000 worth of debt for FFS and other procedures to pass. But to do this I would have to quit my full time job so I actually have time to travel and recover, etc. It's an ok job, not a crazy high wage, I get benefits at my other jobs so..idk.

I'm really torn. I don't want to keep living this life when I know I COULD go into debt and eventually I COULD pay it all off. Be young, in debt, and living as a female, or wait until my early thirties, debt free, and then live as a woman?

Is life worth living in fear of debt or fear of never passing? I've already done five years of hrt, I wont pass without ffs :/
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Eliza Neffingmat - Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:22:03 EST ID:QG3jrSaz No.399749 Ignore Report Quick Reply

inb4 horror stories etc to scare you out of your safety net.

ffs isnt 100% guarantee you will pass, heck theres not even a guarantee they dont completly fuck your face and leave you looking like the bad guy from the lion king.

what FFS does is it alters the aesthetic of your face to that of what people recognise as "female", some people might see your face and be like "pretty girl... wearing size 13 shoes with hands which look like they could cut down a tree with an axe...."
know what im saying?

FFS is still the best chance people who dont pass have at passing though.
Sidney Pecklehire - Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:24:56 EST ID:F3ksySQh No.399752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Agreed, it isn't 100% guaranteed buuuuuut. I am close enough now to passing that I feel like FFS will put me over the edge. Hopefully anyway
Augustus Hellydale - Sat, 13 Aug 2016 03:03:37 EST ID:nDZyxz5b No.399763 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Debt is a wicked system. Part of me wants to tell you that 30k can be perfectly fine for some people. The other part wants to convince you debt is one of the worst situations you can put yourself in.

The best way is to give it a year of dedicated saving and soul searching (also research). At the very least you will be more confident in your decision, and hopefully have less debt.
Phineas Sugglebury - Sat, 13 Aug 2016 08:49:11 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are you living fulltime now or what?

Why don't you post your face in the passing thread or here so people can tell you what FFS might or might not help more?
Phineas Sugglebury - Sat, 13 Aug 2016 08:56:10 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399770 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Like I mean you might not need to spend the entire $30k, depending on what you think is preventing you from passing.

Something Controvercial by Emma Chugglepatch - Sun, 07 Aug 2016 19:29:40 EST ID:Hq/K86R9 No.399693 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Honestly I'm glad I was born with a penis, preferably I wouldn't have it anyway. For some reason I feel it's far superior to being born with a vagina. Don't get me wrong I love ciswomen they're gorgeous and they can be very sweet; to me no man could ever be more aesthetically pleasing than a woman. But for some reason despite being trans I would not trade my cock and balls in for a cunt.

This is not some sexist rant I'm on. I don't know it's just a question of genitalia for me and I think having a dick is better.
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Eliza Huttinglodging - Mon, 08 Aug 2016 00:54:49 EST ID:Hq/K86R9 No.399708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>yeah but thats like saying adverts for mcdonalds are coearsion to make people fat. They are advertising a product and people can go into mcdonalds if they want, regardless if they know exactly whats in a cheeseburger or not.

This is not the same. Your analogy only works if people who eat hamburgers are a small minority in society and if McDonalds is the only place they can get a hamburger.
Bottom surgery isn't even remotely similar to buying a hamburger. People who eat hamburgers are numerous and the options for procuring a hamburger are innumerable and widespread; you can even make a hamburger yourself. Sexual Reassignment surgery is the only option for transwomen who want a vagina, there are very few surgeons, and you cant make your own vagina at home.

>What? What do you mean? The only people ive seen close to promoting surgery are "transer than tho" posters and ignorant cis people who insist you arent really trans unless you get bottom surgery.

Well that isn't necessarily good. These are two groups of people who have convinced themselves to operate within a very limited paradigm.

>Now you're taking the stance that you know what is better for other people's bodies than they do.
No not at all. I just think SRS is overhyped and over promoted. And that someone should say hey maybe it isn't such a good idea.

>are you subconsciously trying to say you are one of them
I probably am, but I'm having fun being myself.
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Charlotte Blytheham - Mon, 08 Aug 2016 01:43:39 EST ID:sPJhIdOb No.399711 Ignore Report Quick Reply

yeah, were on the same side here.

all im really saying is, people can choose to do whatever they want, if they want to get a vagina and an advertisement has lead to that decision then they are a human being who can decide that.

thats all im really saying here. im not against you on this.
Eliza Huttinglodging - Mon, 08 Aug 2016 01:55:26 EST ID:Hq/K86R9 No.399712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>people can choose to do whatever they want, if they want to get a vagina and an advertisement has lead to that decision then they are a human being who can decide that.

As much as I want to create the Socialist Utopia, I have to agree. People have the right to do what they want. Being a social libertarian I have to tolerate somethings I don't like, despite how much it bothers me.
Phyllis Trotshit - Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:07:52 EST ID:yEM0FiH0 No.399812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i mean, your opinion doesnt actually mean jack-shit though.
Phyllis Duckdock - Fri, 26 Aug 2016 19:20:18 EST ID:Hq/K86R9 No.399984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No my opinion means alot.
Little missy.

Estrogen Questrogen by Eugene Dizzlewater - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 19:56:10 EST ID:VqVMZM+5 No.399668 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey there,

I thought it would be a fun experiment to take some of my sisters birth control pills just to see what it would do to my body. It has only been three days and I have man boobs and am starting to develop what I affectionately refer to as a "front butt." I am not liking the changes as much as I thought I would and would like to go back to looking somewhat like a man.

Does anyone here have experience with estrogen/progesterone usage? I would love to know how long I have to live with this new look and if there is anything that could help remove the estrogen faster. Any advice is appreciated.
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Emma Chugglepatch - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 22:32:07 EST ID:Hq/K86R9 No.399672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Work out, do tons of pushups. Drink water and run.
Fuck Lightham - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 23:49:45 EST ID:YycAq8/G No.399674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
haha three days cute
Emma Chugglepatch - Sun, 07 Aug 2016 03:11:30 EST ID:Hq/K86R9 No.399679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It has only been three days and I have man boobs and am starting to develop what I affectionately refer to as a "front butt."

OP I'm pretty sure that's the pizza you ate.
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Thanks for the advice


I don't eat much pizza these days...

>>399669 and >>399674

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Hannah Blundlefuck - Sun, 07 Aug 2016 16:23:25 EST ID:3c5y5qcp No.399689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's not how hormones work. Go away

Spiro dosage by Ian Dartworth - Fri, 05 Aug 2016 07:44:04 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399642 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm selfmedding, got a blood test (first time in a while) last week with:
2.08 ng/mL testosterone
106 pg/mL estrogen
Currently on 200 mg spiro + 6 mg estradiol valerate per day. I've been at this dosage for around 6 months.

Estrogen seems fine I think.

But testosterone seems to be too high.
6 months ago it was 1.07 ng/ml, so it seemed to increase, but it was a different clinic.
Do you think that's spiro tolerance or just a difference in clinics? I remember some discrepancies in the past across clinics personally.

Anyway I'm thinking of going to 300 mg/day of spiro.
That's pretty high though.. any feedback?
I could consider another AA like bicalutamide or something, but I don't know much about it.

Is 300 mg/day too high?
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Emma Senningman - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 10:31:12 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399666 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah cypro looks more powerful, and I considered it but it seems like it's bad for your liver, isn't it?

I've been looking at bicalutamide recently. Current plan is go on 300 mg of spiro for a month or so until I can afford getting some of that. Seems to have very few side effects from what I've read, and a half life of like 6 days, so I could probably take it every other day.

Any idea/guess why your test spiked like that?
Shitting Somblesun - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 21:39:41 EST ID:sPJhIdOb No.399671 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah.... youll want to be sticking with AA's i dislike doctors who try to nuke T with excesseve E.

Seriously, with spiro all that it really does is stop your body from absorbing it, you still produce it it just, doesnt do anything because spiro fills in the hole where testo would go until it eventually stops producing it.

Cypro is good, but afaik its not something you could take for an excessive amount of time, so its good if youre planning orchi or srs in the near future. but if you arent planning on srs or orchi any time soon or at all, stick with spiro.
Go back to legit and say "hey nah, look, i need an anti androgen. excessive estrogen in the blood stream causes a higher risk of DVT which is something i do not wish to get." and they shouldn't argue with you, heck even if you just ask to see what the results are, doctors like doing tests.
Thomas Clarringfuck - Sun, 07 Aug 2016 06:29:34 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399680 Ignore Report Quick Reply

So even with my T at 2.0, my "effective" T level should be actually lower, since it's being blocked by the spiro?

I take spiro around every 12 hours but it's not super regular. Is that often enough to not be concerned about the half life?

And how long should it take to stop producing testosterone as you say? I've been at this dose for like half a year so my concern is that it it may or may not be hitting that "tipping point"?
Thomas Clarringfuck - Sun, 07 Aug 2016 06:30:40 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399681 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also, if I go legit it would be a lot more expensive since it's not covered by insurance.
Shitting Somblesun - Sun, 07 Aug 2016 08:26:48 EST ID:sPJhIdOb No.399684 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Im not a doctor.
This is why getting your Free T tested is better than just T.

Seriously, go see a doctor, you can still buy your meds from inhouse/any online pharmacy with a doctors script.
I would keep doing what you're doing and go get your blood tests done again and make sure they test all your hormone levels and not just E and T.

Seriously, thats the best thing about going to legit doctors is you get actual professional assistance.

Fuck by Hannah Nibberstock - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:12:56 EST ID:uVmlxf2F No.398964 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone here on the fence because you know it's too late?

24 here. Got around to seeing a therapist a month before turning 24, recently was told "Yeah I'm pretty sure you need to transition before you blow your head off" and got a referral to a doctor guy to give me hormones or whatever. I just feel, idk, like it's waaay too late now. Like idk ya know? I WANT to stop being a guy but I'm almost closet to 30 than 20, I have 60,000 $ in student loan debt, a shit parttime job, Even if I manage to fund myself a bit, I doubt I'll ever have a shot at passing. I'm 5'8" around 150lbs. Dont' really grow much hair. Kinda broad shoulders but not really I guess. Main problem besides age would be my voice. My voice is like radio host deep. Like darthvader took up smoking deep. My voice at 13 was deeper than the 18 yr old seniors at highschool. Seriosly.

It's like why bother? Transitioning is supposed to make me happier or whatever but I doubt I'd be happier being a 30 yr old man in a dress who's lost all family and relations, probably unemployed, etc etc. Maybe if I had the balls to cut my balls off 5 years ago things would be different but can't roll back the fucking clock ya know? Idk.

Anyone here feel similar? I keep pushing back the hrt appointment cus I'm scared I'll just end up regretting it (end up never passing). 24 is too old yeah?
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Phoebe Drunningbine - Sat, 30 Jul 2016 01:47:50 EST ID:sPJhIdOb No.399492 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What on earth?

why would you even post this? this has nothing to do with anything.
you look like a girl, wanted to be a girl sometimes but like being a guy so yeah a tranny hit on you and like youre out of words so heres a tumblr link.

What the actual fuck?
Edward Nummerwadging - Sat, 30 Jul 2016 04:15:38 EST ID:3kFCROgK No.399493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh look, some troll deciding to sound just like a prototypical autogynophile.
Charles Blangerwill - Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:35:55 EST ID:3kFCROgK No.399506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Haha! Your country doesn't want you to get that transmission!

That means you don't get it.
Hamilton Sommerwit - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 19:18:21 EST ID:2xeAq8tH No.399540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
24's not too old. i still consider that young. i started hrt at 28? and i get m'am'd often and i don't even try to present, really (that's a different discussion)
Ebenezer Peblingham - Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:22:45 EST ID:y4QPo3RR No.399649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're just making excuses. You want to transition, but you're afraid of what comes with it, so you're using your age as an excuse. Do you REALLY look that different than you did 5 years ago? Hormones will change your shit at any point in life really, the question is do you want to start now or after you spend 5 more years in denial.

Also I just gotta say
>>24 here
>>almost closet to 30 than 20
you need math child. 'Almost closer' means 'more far than close' think about it!

Vocal Feminization Surgery by Martha Clottingmat - Wed, 03 Aug 2016 11:36:02 EST ID:3CsNzdqe No.399593 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Vocal Feminization Surgery. Would you get it? Have you? I've seen a few before and after videos and the results seems pretty amazing. I have trouble with my voice especially dropping right into it, always have to be thinking about it whenever I open my mouth. Sorta depressing :/
David Pollycocke - Wed, 03 Aug 2016 13:10:38 EST ID:BbST0Ob9 No.399600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want it. Even though my voice seems to pass in real life. Especially over the phone to the point it once blocked access to my bank account since my default pitch is around 180-200Hz

But I want it because want to scream, laugh, sneeze, couch like a girl.

Balding by Angus Heddlestark - Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:40:04 EST ID:ZOujZLHs No.399236 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Any help with the start of balding before pretrans?
It's not really bad, but it's starting to become noticeable
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Isabella Nashfuck - Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:53:08 EST ID:5R86TULF No.399320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do you have to take it forever? Also does it help if you haven't had hairline loss but just would like a lower/more feminine hairline/have always had a higher hairline?
Barnaby Blusslefatch - Sun, 31 Jul 2016 07:53:23 EST ID:vpXf6MJO No.399507 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What do you mean by less psychoactive?
James Worthingfield - Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:57:02 EST ID:5Rj2e5iV No.399517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I used finasteride until I got my orchi and I still need hairline surgery. Keep it in mind, but if you say yours isn't so bad then you'll maybe be all right.

Also: fin can make you feel anxious, but it can be perfectly bearable if you have a stable life.
Hamilton Sommerwit - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 19:17:01 EST ID:2xeAq8tH No.399539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol trans girls who have a stable life
Edwin Wonkinman - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 20:15:22 EST ID:hYb7xtHh No.399541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
its...really pretty conceivable

im sorry if some sort of trauma has led you to believe otherwise. and by trauma i mean being a snarky lil bitch

transitional musings by James Clerringhood - Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:33:37 EST ID:xP64V7rI No.399461 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have played around with my image a lot in my life. I am consonantly changing my hair and clothing style. I guess it is because I was holding myself back from presenting the way I am. A million reasons that all boil down to low self esteem. I am getting over that and am doing things to present outwardly what is more in line with who I am. It has been great.

With all my different "phases" I have noticed that the more divisive my appearance, the happier I am. Sure I have spent my lifetime being sworn at, spat on, garbage thrown at me from moving vehicles and actual physical attacks but i find that the extreme is also reflected in the opposite direction as well. People have been really good to me, I have had a lot of very special friends who have helped me trough. People I would have never met if I had not marginalized myself in some way. When I try to pass as "normal"...I become invisible. While it is helpful while dealing with law enforcement, there are few benefits to coming across as normal.

There is no way I will ever "pass" as my true gender. But keeping my head down and trying to ignore my personal reality is it's own kind of hell. I know I will never be rich...hell, I will likely have to scrape by for the rest of my life...but fuck. I get laid and my therapist told me that people who get laid regularly are happier than people who make $150k a year...

there is a lot of pain and hardship out there. maybe we can talk about the good stuff for a bit.
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Nell Clonkinford - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:15:01 EST ID:5R86TULF No.399533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mhmmm, interesting =P
I think I got a lot of that, as much as I can with what you gave, nice I guess, but like you say things like replicas and constructed and discovered meanings without including what those are referring to so only so much to understand in your blurb here, it all sounds sorta ohh ahhh, you should explain it more until it doesn't seem so fancy or profound sounding ^_^ that's what I like to do with my ideas haha =P
Nell Clonkinford - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:26:26 EST ID:5R86TULF No.399535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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New order though! yay =P one with less consumerism sounds chill, let's at least try to hit the basics for everyone, das what I'm thinking, or at least be sustainable

this pic is so amazing to me because that was so me on or having just been on acid trying to figure out how to save the world lol. Hence the stuff I'm interested in/trying to do with growing food and stuff and sustainably, the big potential monkey wrench being though whether or not there's enough space I suppose, idk, seems good to have more stuff like I want to do either way lol
Martha Honeyworth - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 17:31:14 EST ID:xP64V7rI No.399536 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think there is lots of space if we abandon the mono culture approach to agriculture. All the people who have no work in the cities can be given land to work and produce food on in a more traditional way while utilizing modern technology (or robots to cultivate, weed, kill insects and harvest) that will work in tandem and everyone will live closer to the food that is produced. Centralization and mechanization while profitable, are incredibly unsustainable in the long run. There is plenty of room if we use it right.
Martha Honeyworth - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 17:33:19 EST ID:xP64V7rI No.399537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
make sure to look up minerals and gems that are common in your area. You might be surprised what you will fin inside some bigger rocks if you crack them open with a cold chisel.
Nell Clonkinford - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 18:21:55 EST ID:5R86TULF No.399538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes! Monoculture and how we do things is horrible and crazy kinda. Like we could be increasing fertility and arable land instead of destroying it by farming it how we do now. I don't quite want to put hope in just technology to handle it in time lol, most insects aren't even bad for example, we use pesticides killing the insects and their predators and then we have to keep doing, when we could be like coplanting and having habit for predators and not monoculture, etc blah I could type for too long, and there's more to the idea to! Like throws to what you said about centralization and stuff, I made a post on fb, maybe I'll just copy and paste it here cuz you seem cooool =P Though sorry to you and anyone I have convo's with on here, because I am like always slightly aware anyone could be reading this and might throw in lots of more stuff because of that that I normally wouldn't if we were just like talking lol.

My post with that picture on fb:

This was me at 19 on acid trying to decide how to help the world lmao fr. And I'm still going with it.

My "plan" more or less is to get growing food, on the local level, and generally take care of needs on a local level in a direct way(as opposed to work random disconnected job for money to buy food shipped from where ever). Sustainable, shelters, food, etc water use.

And so that's what I'm tryna do I guess. Set up sustainable ways or methods or whatever to grow stuff and spread them and get other people doing it.

Then everything else you can take or leave, government, need for jobs and economy, stuff, if everyone had these things is there really that much that is so important to fight over even? could you get people to if they had these things? (probably lol)

now as long as current power systems don't just straight destroy what you're trying to do, then maybe it could be cool.
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FFS Advice by Cyril Fubblewater - Mon, 25 Jul 2016 00:38:36 EST ID:F3ksySQh No.399366 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Earlier this year I got an FFS quote which totaled to $37,000 Canadian(where I live, and earn money). And then I got another far more expensive quote. Both of these were in the US and from highly reputable surgeons. I've avoided getting a quote from Dr. Chettawut because I've heard some bad things despite the cost being cheaper :/

Anyway as it stand I my best bet is Dr. Spiegel but I can't afford it for likely fours years of saving or one-two years of saving plus LOTS of debt. Here's the cost outline roughly

Jawline Contour(which I feel I need the most) 8,500
Rhinoplasty(Which I also feel I need) 8,500
Lip Lift 3,700
Cheeks 4,600
Medical costs 4,000

I have a line of credit through my bank for 15,000 with 7% interest and called Medicare who would loan me 17,000. I am currently debt free have nothing saved though. I work one jobs 40 hrs a week and another part time job 14 hours a week. I take home roughly 29,000 a year and my living expenses are somewhere in the 11,000-15,000 range.

Now my question is. Do I save for years and years for a passable face or do I go into debt, or massive debt just to like the way I look sooner rather than later? People say my face passes sometimes but I also get male like 80% of the time and I see a guy EVERYday. My Jawline is a massive detriment to passing and my nose is also an issue. The other stuff seems to be somewhat additional vanity procedures but part of me also wants to not half ass this and come out looking the best I possibly can.

TBH I am also not against potentially doing cam work to help pay of said debt if I actually looked presentable. I've been on hormones for 5+ years, Help me FFS-Kenobi, you're my only hope.
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Phoebe Blenkinman - Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:55:30 EST ID:5R86TULF No.399520 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That one person is a little crazy with it lol and the face size stuff especially =P
Albert Pittwater - Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:10:17 EST ID:2GkqoK3k No.399525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Actually I didn't think she photoshopped. Sommeone else did. But all the same, pics are pics. Perhaps it was the make up around your hairline that reallly through things off combined with a cascading effects of bettering lighting and different phone angle. FFS is really great for that kind of thing. It basically gives you a better illusion that falls apart of in real life, but its great for pics. Im sure you know this ms. Polish girl.
Cyril Dengercocke - Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:04:45 EST ID:5Rj2e5iV No.399526 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I went into an H&M change room today, already irritable and annoyed by the heat and the throngs of people at the mall, where I spotted my profile in the mirror. It sent me into a serious nosedive.

Whether I put myself in debt or it just take a few years (I'm 29), FFS is worth giving a shot, right? I wish all the ffs info were in one place.
Cornelius Sillercocke - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 01:02:37 EST ID:lXoSO+bT No.399527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP asked for opinion so I gave her my opinion, creppy anon.
Albert Pittwater - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 01:10:57 EST ID:2GkqoK3k No.399528 Ignore Report Quick Reply

ya fuck off, I am sure you creep plenty of people out by your appearance alone

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