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schizophrenia and transgenderism by Girl Snibblecock - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 12:12:51 EST ID:APvtdxEU No.404418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Why are you being excluded from the transgender diagnosis when you have schizophrenia? Ive actually never seen a treated schizophrenic who believes hes part of the opposite gender/identifies as the other gender. And I know like a whole clinic + a social company who supports over 50 people (I mean schizophrenic patients).
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Jenny Nickleridge - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 05:20:36 EST ID:Mh9Cu0qP No.404421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404418

Because being trans is not something you can be tested for, literally anybody can say "ive always felt like a girl" and go to a therapist and begin transition if they want to... unless they have an underlying mental issue which can cloud ones judgment.

This is why when you go to psychologists they arent testing you if you are trans they are testing you to see if you are of sound mind and able to form your own rational decisions and schizophrenics varying on their affliction cannot. Transitioning as a schizophrenic will exacerbate your mental health issues and any perceived benefits of transitioning would be rendered moot.

Remember transition isnt just about growing tits and prancing around in a skirt, you go through puberty which involves a huge mental element to it which if you are a schizophrenic can cause absolute havoc.

This is also why they tend to not allow people to transition for a whole swathe of mental health issues, because often they can throw up false positives which make the person believe they are somebody they actually arent. DID is a great example of this. if you have a male personality who wants to transition from female to male and you go through all the steps, how will all the female personalities feel? it would be an endless tug of war between the personalities and would only cause their DID to flare up rather than soften.

Anyway i hope thats helped. If you have schizophrenia and believe you are trans discuss it when you have to talk to your psychologist next, it never hurts to talk about these things with people who know you and see you on a regular basis.

All the best.
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Martin Danningworth - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 14:07:24 EST ID:G/8Vhl2G No.404426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404421
You do realize that DID is exceedingly rare and not really considered a thing by most psychologists.
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Nell Himmlelot - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:49:37 EST ID:Mh9Cu0qP No.404427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404426

It is rare.

>not really considered a thing by most psychologists
source?
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Jarvis Nickledock - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:24:28 EST ID:CvIYf+1y No.404432 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404427
http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychiatry/article/63686/dissociative-identity-disorder-time-remove-it-dsm-v

Bean, "DID" is actually a manifestation of symptoms from other sometimes comorbid disorders.
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David Pishshit - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:21:27 EST ID:Mh9Cu0qP No.404433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404432

That is an interesting read, thanks for that.

I get where he's coming from and makes loads of valid points. I also decided to read the number 1 citation for the survey demographics which was quite interesting as well.
Here is an extract from Attitudes toward DSM-IV dissociative disorders diagnoses among board-certified American psychiatrists.
Pope, Harrison G, Jr; Oliva, Paul S; Hudson, James I; Bodkin, J Alexander; Gruber, Amanda J. The American Journal of Psychiatry; Washington Vol. 156, Iss. 2, (Feb 1999): 321-3.

Of 406 questionnaires initially sent, 36 were returned as undeliverable despite two rounds of replacement. No receipt was received on three other questionnaires sent on the third round by certified mail. Thus, 367 psychiatrists actually received a questionnaire. Of these, 301 responded-a rate of 82%. The 1998 directory showed that 219 (73%) of these were men, 165 (55%) were at least 50 years old, 261 (87%) were members of APA, and 193 (64%) held an academic appointment. Five respondents left the first three questions blank. Of the rest, 248 (84%) listed their principal activity as patient care, nine (3%) as research, seven (2%) as teaching, 28 (10%) as administration, and four (1%) as other. In addition, 119 (40%) rated their theoretical orientation as psychodynamic-psychoanalytic, 123 (41%) as biological, eight (3%) as cognitive-behavioral, and 46 (16%) as other. (On these questions, respondents who gave equal rank to two or more categories were classified as "other.") Finally, 136 (46%) reported having published no scientific papers, 106 (36%) one to nine papers, and 54 (18%) 10 or more papers.

But at the same time research continues to be done on DID it continues to be diagnosed and it continues to be treated, whether or not it is as the author says, just for financial means, its still a thing it still exists and people do still have it. So yeah comorbid disorders, whether people believe its childhood trauma, amnesia, attention seeking, whatever, its still a thing. i think its a bit loose to say that its not considered a thing by psychologists, considering the author of the paper you cited is a psychiatrist not a psychologist. and from what i can find there are at least 8 journal articles discussing DID published this year.
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Sophie Soddleson - Thu, 23 Nov 2017 04:44:16 EST ID:2MZ+/S9J No.404439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404433
Most psychological issues are hardly black and white, a fact that some on this board could do well with heeding mind to. There are often loud voices championing either side, and you have to decide who has the better argument.
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Matilda Grandforth - Fri, 24 Nov 2017 23:52:12 EST ID:gjPLkU7y No.404441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Psychology is basically educated guessing at best and archaic pseduoscience at worst.
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Walter Pittspear - Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:52:36 EST ID:Mh9Cu0qP No.404442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404441

I think you're confusing psychology with therapy. Psychology is essentially studying mental states.
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Charlotte Pammermut - Sat, 25 Nov 2017 09:19:15 EST ID:EaSFLJyS No.404443 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404441
speaking from ur phd in psychology here lad?
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Eugene Dartforth - Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:57:52 EST ID:2MZ+/S9J No.404449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404441
Black and white worldviews are for sperglords at best, and full on psychopaths at worst.
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Basil Blonkinlodging - Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:39:29 EST ID:gjPLkU7y No.404452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404442
>>404443
>phd in psychology?
Honestly with modern medical technology we could study various mental states and find out what causes them in terms of biochemistry and anatomy amongst other factors. Psychology is essentially philosophy that tries to intellectualize biological processes. Honestly we dont need psychology.
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George Honeyridge - Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:58:17 EST ID:Mh9Cu0qP No.404453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404452

Is this something you have told yourself so you dont feel down about your issues?
psychology is definitely needed especially when things cannot be explained via medical technology, for instance transsexualism isnt a physical ailment its a mental ailment. you cannot look at a brain scan and determine if someone is mentally ill and even if you could, what would be faster, an hour of talking to someone and asking them questions or scanning their brain and waiting for however many weeks for the results to come back.

And before you say it, "transsexuals have woman brains" and all that, they dont actually scan your brain prior to treatment, infact the last i read about it was they studied this after the person had been on hormones with the hypothesis that perhaps because the brain is essentially muscle and like other muscles it shrinks when exposed to estrogen and enlarges when exposed to testosterone (this doesnt indicate increased or decresed intelligence).
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David Fingernid - Sat, 02 Dec 2017 02:39:02 EST ID:2MZ+/S9J No.404465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404453
>psychology is definitely needed especially when things cannot be explained via medical technology

God of the gaps argument. What can't be explained currently, will be explained in the future. Science always marches on. Neuroscience will entirely replace psychology within the century. Social psychology will be rendered a subfield of sociology whereas clinical psychology will be subsumed into neuroscience.

All your argument boils down to is "well we don't 100% understand the brain yet, so there's still need to make guesswork and conjecture!!!". Well, that's fine and fair enough, but it's an argument that won't survive the decades.
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Polly Suffingstone - Sat, 02 Dec 2017 03:21:09 EST ID:Mh9Cu0qP No.404466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404465

Yeah so what do you think we should do for the next 50 years? just sit around and twiddle our thumbs? oh im so sorry ms tran we would love to help you but you see in approx 2 decades everything we do here will be rendered moot so, cya! :)
What kind of argument is that? "yeah someone somewhere will figure out a new method eventually so whats the point with current methods?"

you've basically wriggled around to make it seem like psychology is pointless in contemporary society. it isnt. sure in 100 years when we have flying cars and colonies on mars neuroscience will make a large part of psychology redundant, but we arent living 20 years from now, we are living in 2017.

How you thought this was a good argument is beyond me. Are you really going to wait 20-30-40-50 years just for someone to tell you that you've wasted your time because all you needed was someone to talk to about your problems?

you're here now, who cares if things are going to change, things are always going to change, you need to centre yourself and operate from 2017 and not wait around for 2037.

you know i was going to buy the first playstation console but then i realised that in 10 years there would be a newer better playstation, but when that came out i realised that in 10 years there would be a newer better playstation so now im waiting for that one to come out :)
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David Fingernid - Sat, 02 Dec 2017 06:10:48 EST ID:2MZ+/S9J No.404468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404466
>now now now me me me muh praystation gotta keep up with the latest times!

Cancer of the modern age, a product of pure disposability. Why are you even on this site?

You can't even argue my statements, because you know I'm right. Psychology is a dying field, and no amount of deities lurking in the gaps of human knowledge will save it.
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Polly Suffingstone - Sat, 02 Dec 2017 06:21:26 EST ID:Mh9Cu0qP No.404469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>404468

hahahahaha :)
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Edward Trotfield - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:45:46 EST ID:W6bynWVi No.404498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404418
before treatment (hrt, srs) docs want to make sure the patient
  • won't change their mind (again - postponing a couple of times is common)
  • doesn't mistake any mental disorder for gender dysphoria (outdated)
  • is capable of going through the entire process (stability during the first, difficult years

I do know some trans (both ways, all treated by now), who initially postponed treatment because recurring psychoses reduced their chances of being taken seriously (by others in general - they felt weakened or insecure). All completed the process successfully later on, during a stable phase (often after finally getting the meds that worked for them - this too may take years.
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Hannah Neffingford - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:28:04 EST ID:YzVXeuOS No.404499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm schizo and transitioning. It's harder for us to obtain treatment because of the law regarding HRT. The doc is basically saying ''I believe this patients is mentally stable enough to make a decision. I informed him of known risks. I give him informed consent to do this.'' No doctor can tell you if your trans. So yeah having a background of psychosis will make it more complex for a doctor that doesn't really know shit about what it's like to be trans to make a decision.

But eh, it's nothing new under the fucking sun. Being schizo basically means no one will ever trust you and will treat you like half a person for the rest of your life. Just do like I did, start HRT illegaly and then go to a endoctrinologist saying you will continue using black market stuff if they don't prescribe to you. Try to get a prescription for your blood test at least; they will be in a obligation to follow your case and will prescribe to you. GL;HF prove those motherfuckers it's ok to hear voices and be happy in your flesh vessel.
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Phyllis Fuckingforth - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:57:43 EST ID:2MZ+/S9J No.404500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
MtFs are in fact overrepresented in the schizophrenic population.

>A notable exception is schizophrenia, in which transgender individuals have about seven times the risk compared to cisgender females.

http://www.mdpi.com/2076-0760/6/1/20/htm
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Frederick Dablingson - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 16:58:25 EST ID:OvUcLAX5 No.404507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404499
This. It worked for a former friend of mine. Though honestly if The doctor is telling you its a terrible idea since your a schizo, I would try to work on your mental health first and then see what you think. If my friend was compatible with those pills, I heavily doubt she was ready for them. After she took those pills she just got worse. Her mental decline was inevitable so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, but I'm not so sure the pills didn't speed it up.
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Lillian Debbledock - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 20:11:14 EST ID:+xO3I+le No.404557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404432
>DID is just symptoms
Actually it's distinguishing between separate personalities and the symptom of dissociation which can be included in depressive disorders
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Ku Klux Klan - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 21:20:53 EST ID:LdCA8dLI No.404558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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shut up n*gger
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George w. Kush - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 21:33:18 EST ID:LdCA8dLI No.404559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Maybe transgendered people are probably afraid to defend themselves or so anything for themselves because they are afraid they will look like Bruce Jenner.
Perhaps it is that they are like sheep being lead to the slaughter.
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Ancient Mysterious Writings: - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 21:47:49 EST ID:LdCA8dLI No.404560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And I finde more bitter then death, the woman whose heart is snares & nets, and her handes as bands: who so pleaseth God, shall escape from her, but the sinner shall be taken by her.

27 Behold, this have I found (saith the Preacher) counting one by one to finde out the account:

28 Which yet my soule seeketh, but I finde not: one man among a thousand have I found, but a woman among all those have I not found.

29 Loe, this onely have I found, that God hath made man upright: but they have sought out many inventions.
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Frankfurt am Mein - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 22:08:00 EST ID:LdCA8dLI No.404561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://youtu.be/KGALnMa9whU
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David Pissleman - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 23:22:32 EST ID:Mh9Cu0qP No.404562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404560
>>404561
>>404559

Couldnt you just make one post? instead of giving yourself 3 separate names and posting three separate things. do you have DID or something?
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C*ntF*ck - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 14:14:46 EST ID:LdCA8dLI No.404565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Healing needed....not persecution.
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Fucking Blatherbury - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 06:50:12 EST ID:YzVXeuOS No.404571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404507
I did therapy for 3 years and started transitionning with testo a year ago. I've never made a better decision for my mental health. But testo is a different game than estro from what I've seen from my partner.
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skeptical - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:42:05 EST ID:+xO3I+le No.404595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I really don't think psychologists should make it harder for you to informed consent if you have schizoid disorders they already treat me like shit if I tell them I am
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Caroline Soffinglick - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 04:41:29 EST ID:VIeCifAr No.404656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404418
Schizo's themselves can attest that transsexuality is just a contrived-up specialization of schizophrenia, caused parallely by being too aware of the world to hold yourself together. Certifiable schizo's are getting awfully tired of trannies getting normalized while much more presentable types like them get brutally left out in the cold. Especially responsible schizo's who don't need no lame, pathetic coddly shrinks or biochemistry doctors, yet those types are left doubly in the cold, scratching their heads about how they responsibly just shut the fuck up, keep diligently shutted-the-fuck-up, and just self med anti-psychotics, and yet have to deal with double standards that don't appreciate their exceding responsibleness.
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TS Tonia Lee - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:51:13 EST ID:tLV8hnPQ No.404661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404418
I was treated for all that shit... like ALL that shit.


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