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Do you think gender dysphoria have a biological origin? by Cyril Chobbledock - Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:06:58 EST ID:7Ycd0ptJ No.404477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lots of times i´ve been thinking "why i feel like this? what make me feel this?" i don´t remember feeling in the wrong body in my chilhood, but in my teenager years things were different...
Also i´ve been wondering if GID would have a biological origin, what do you think?
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Shit Sombleham - Thu, 07 Dec 2017 20:47:35 EST ID:9Z+nhH7v No.404479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404477
studies show that its literally differences in the brain so yeah its biological, its a medical condition like any other
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George Gashworth - Fri, 08 Dec 2017 01:07:05 EST ID:SswBBKTx No.404481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn’t care until I was a teenager. I realized I was boyish, but didn’t want a man’s body until then.
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John Hammlewill - Fri, 08 Dec 2017 19:27:43 EST ID:nKtluwtw No.404485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404477

I knew when i seen kaitlyn jenner come out and everybody was lavishing praise and love onto her and since i lacked that in my life i decided i would transition to recieve the same love and attention.
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Ernest Mummerway - Sun, 10 Dec 2017 04:17:09 EST ID:L4nrjoQI No.404488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404479
I didn´t knew that, but i must say i remember being bullyed because i acted effeminate since my childhood
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Ian Sublingwill - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:32:41 EST ID:N3R17E2B No.404509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404485
Grl you are in for a rude awakening
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Ian Sublingwill - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:32:41 EST ID:N3R17E2B No.404510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404485
Grl you are in for a rude awakening
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Lillian Foblingnune - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:14:00 EST ID:2MZ+/S9J No.404512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All major mental illnesses have a biological origin and the only people who dispute this are pseuds citing Lacan and Jung waiting in the corner to e-psychoanalyze your personality.

Cognitivism master race.
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Jack Blythedale - Sun, 31 Dec 2017 20:51:11 EST ID:1luvdS30 No.404554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>404477
I always looked like a girl and had interest in feminine hobbies, as such I most of my early childhood I was treated as a girl by my peers (even though I hated it). For whatever reason, my mom supported my unusual interests, and even though I grew out of them, I want to go back to being a girl. I am pretty sure that my dysphoria is 90 % the reason of being mistreated by everyone, otherwise I would have grown to be a sissy and not a girl wanna be. This is hell, I always had the opposite of what I wanted
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Henry Pobbledale - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 18:01:29 EST ID:kAnNvJWr No.404556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404512
If youre a master race of anything, then im an alien

you demonstrate zero understanding of the human sub/conscious
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Sidney Sammerbore - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 07:14:21 EST ID:2MZ+/S9J No.404602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404556
A common symptom of autism spectrum is feeling like an alien among neurotypical thinkers.
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Phoebe Claywater - Sat, 06 Jan 2018 02:04:35 EST ID:e9mjG9U5 No.404609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>404602
Gonna drop in here, had nothing to do with the thread previously:

As a very high functioning autist, I would have to say it feels more like I am sailing through a sea of morons, in regards to me vs. neurotypicals. I have to dumb myself down to converse and interact with them. I impress them all the time with all sorts of shit I can do, and thanks to very early intervention I was trained to pretend to be neurotypical in regards to IRL interaction, so I blend in. They think I'm normal lol.

Some do say it's like being born on the wrong planet, but I think that's an exaggeration, or perhaps applies to the more low-functioning individuals who had language delays and/or no intervention. We're very much human, we just have a different way of thinking. If one can master interaction, it leaves one with a shitload of advantages and not very many disadvantages.

The more I type the more autistic my post looks so I'll stop there lmao
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green - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 04:56:13 EST ID:9sNf9UXl No.405742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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We are made of biology, so of course our thoughts are too... By a biological origin, I assume you mean hereditary, as in our DNA...

>>404609 no disrespect but I think

>>404556 was just explaining how base and low level thinking it is to reduce all disorders of the mind to nature, rather than nurture. Rather than respond directly, someone just called him autistic in a derogatory fashion.

I recently started identifying more as a girl, and I attribute that to a significant extent to the experiences I've lived through. Experiences that shape and define who I am, which influence habit on conscious through to unconscious levels of my psychology. These influences pattern my neural structure and therefore biochemical makeup which is inevitably responsible for a wide range of physiological attenuation throughout my body on a systemic level. QED.

On a more philosophical note, if I didn't believe that through direct influence of my consciousness I could become healthier, smarter, more sensitive, live a longer, more fulfilled life, then I would probably give up on living, because nothing I'd do would matter much anyway.
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Martin Fandale - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 14:43:33 EST ID:MU5VaL+f No.405743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404556
"Nurture" is by and large how much oxygen you received in the uterus and whether or not your mom inhaled lead as you were gestating. It has little to do with sociocultural background, as much as political pundits and wishful thinkers believe it to be so.

>these influences pattern my neural structure
A very nonsensical statement.

>QED
Personal anecdotes are not arguments. Pseud alert.
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Hugh Basslewell - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 23:09:51 EST ID:/OG1EjaB No.405744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405743
I haven't heard of inhaling lead being linked to dickgirl babies yet, sauce?
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Lydia Sabberridge - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:53:55 EST ID:ZqzfIwnK No.405745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404477
oh it's definitely biological, it's been proven. But even if it wasn't, or if the TERFS some day take over and oppress and silence all the evidence and then wipe everyone out like Pol Pot, even then, what matters is actually accepting someone for who they are and trusting their experience of the world.

Any university level textbook in human biology or biological psychology that touches on this will make it clear it's biological
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Lydia Sabberridge - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:57:24 EST ID:ZqzfIwnK No.405746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404609
You think one thing is going on:
I am autistic and therefore I am smarter than everyone around me

What is actually going on:
I am autistic
I am intelligent
I am a bit of an asshole and find it hard to accept other people's subjective experiences as valid and beautiful, which is not true of all autistic people but which is something I could work on if I wanted to. My mixture of low empathy and high self esteem mean people occasionally think I am a narcissist, while people who don't understand autism attribute my low empathy to that instead
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Hugh Basslewell - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:03:04 EST ID:/OG1EjaB No.405747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405746
That makes perfect sense. Is this mixture of low empathy and high self esteem what sets Autistic People apart from Asperger's Syndrome sufferers?
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Rebecca Bluvingwell - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:15:14 EST ID:hFoRwdPB No.405756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405746
Subjective experiences are by and large worthless. It doesn't take an autist to see that what works for you may not work for everyone else. It's more autistic, I would argue, to hold your perception as a given for all perceptions.
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FTM Junkie Anon - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:17:36 EST ID:7hwSRCS6 No.405803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>404477
>Does gender dysphoria have a biological cause?
Almost certainly. All the "tucute" kiddies who are trying to demedicalize gender dysphoria need to explain how legitimizing the idea that insurance companies have in this country that transition is elective is justifiable.

I mean, I get it. You don't have body dysphoria. How, then, if you don't want to transition physically, is it any of your God damn business what medically counts as trans or not?

At a certain point it's like "We get it. You vape." You know?
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FTM Junkie Anon - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:17:36 EST ID:7hwSRCS6 No.405804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>404477
>Does gender dysphoria have a biological cause?
Almost certainly. All the "tucute" kiddies who are trying to demedicalize gender dysphoria need to explain how legitimizing the idea that insurance companies have in this country that transition is elective is justifiable.

I mean, I get it. You don't have body dysphoria. How, then, if you don't want to transition physically, is it any of your God damn business what medically counts as trans or not?

At a certain point it's like "We get it. You vape." You know?
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Martha Cinkinworth - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 00:40:35 EST ID:vMA+C6Et No.405815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405803
Yeah I actually don't understand what the point is. I've politely debated them and it seems like they basically do feel dysphoria but are too cool to admit .
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Quinn - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:55:45 EST ID:NudM56Im No.405894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No, I don't. There was a study done by Robles et alia, "Removing transgender identity from the classification of mental disorders: a Mexican field study for ICD-11", which found that, "Multivariate logistic regression models indicated that [gender dysphoric] distress and all types of [gender dysphoric] dysfunction were strongly predicted by experiences of social rejection (odds ratios [ORs] 2·29–8·15) and violence (1·99–3·99)." This falls in line with my own experiences; I've had a transgender identity from a very young age but only developed gender dysphoria after being told over and over again that I'm invalid.

Furthermore, if you analyze a lot of gender dysphoric thoughts, they sound a lot like what transphobes say. "You'll never be X gender." ~ "I'll never be X gender."

It seems more likely to me, based on personal experience, this study, and the thought patterns of gender dysphoric trans people that gender dysphoria is internalized transphobia directed inward toward the self.
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Quinn - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:00:08 EST ID:NudM56Im No.405895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405804
I hardly see how the claim that gender dysphoria is not biologically caused demedicalizes it. A mental disorder is a persistent mental condition that causes dysfunction and clinically significant distress. Gender dysphoria meets this definition, no biological cause required.
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Quinn - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:04:49 EST ID:NudM56Im No.405896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405804
Gender dysphoria specifically replaced gender identity disorder to demedicalize transness. It isn't being trans that's the problem; it's the dysphoria. Neither is having gender dysphoria the definition of being transgender. According to the DSM-5, on page 451, "Gender dysphoria refers to the distress that may accompany the incongruence between one's experienced or expressed gender and one's assigned gender. Although not all individuals will experience distress as a result of such incongruence...". Even the American Psychiatric Association, the people who wrote the diagnostic criterion for the condition, have stated that not all trans people have it.

There is no such thing as "medically trans" because transness is not a medical condition.
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Eugene Brenderwater - Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:47:36 EST ID:v6W1nz+4 No.405899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405895
All mental disorders are rooted in biology, from anxiety to schizophrenia to personality disorder. Do basic research next time before you spew nonsense. Claiming GID has no biological basis is the exact same as claiming it is not a mental illness. There are no mental illnesses that don't have biological correlates, even susceptability to adjustment disotder which is otherwise a temporary and transient condition.

One study does never a conclusion make.
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Fucking Saffingdot - Thu, 13 Dec 2018 03:21:58 EST ID:NudM56Im No.405901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405899
What's the biological basis of dependent personality disorder?
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Fucking Saffingdot - Thu, 13 Dec 2018 03:30:43 EST ID:NudM56Im No.405903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405899
Also you do realize saying "every illness is biological" is a meaningless statement and does not disprove that some mental disorders are caused by social phenomenon? Social phenomenon impact your biology. I was arguing that gender dysphoria is a result of transphobia. Technically it's still something biological since it's neurological but at the end of the day that doesn't mean it isn't driven by social phenomenon.
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Ernest Nonnerbury - Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:07:26 EST ID:viaSQt5t No.405907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405903
Then depression is driven by social phenomenon too. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Claiming some mental illnesses are 'biological' and some mental illnesses are 'social' is disingenuous. One can make an argument that genes and the brain don't matter, or they can make an argument that they do. Cherry picking which are and aren't social or rooted in genetic and neural etiology is inconsistent as a position. You have no way of knowing. The facts on the ground are that GID and all other mental illnesses have a high correlation with abnormal neurological structures. You can claim that all of them are due to stigma, or none of them are, but you can't argue in good faith that GID is a category in its own when all evidence indicates the opposite.

Again, I suggest you do actual research on the topic instead of rehashing talking points. Science is not a game where we match the study to our politics.
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Phineas Drigglehall - Wed, 26 Dec 2018 05:42:44 EST ID:yCBXfefI No.405929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>405907
Depression absolutely can be caused by environmental factors. Just because it's a chemical imbalance in the brain does not mean that chemical imbalance can't be a result of environmental factors. And yes, certain genetic and epigenetic factors can make someone more likely to develop depression; I'm not denying this either.

As for the claim that there is a correlation between gendered neurological characteristics and gender dysphoria: that is true; I'm not denying that. But correlation is not causation. You can argue that your neurology impacts how you behave and hence navigate the social world, hence impacting your gender identity; that your social surroundings impact your psychology; and that different aspects of your psychology sometimes interact with each other. If you're in a transphobic society, you're naturally going to internalize some of its messaging, and that internalized transphobia can come into contact with your gender identity, causing gender dysphoria. To claim that because it's correlated with neurological characteristics doesn't demonstrate it's caused by them; your psychology is shaped both by your social environment and your genetics. You're being overly simplistic.
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Phineas Drigglehall - Wed, 26 Dec 2018 05:58:58 EST ID:yCBXfefI No.405930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>405907
If you subject a child to continuous domestic abuse, e is bound to develop some mental disorders. Obviously e wasn't born that way; e developed those problems due to eir environment. Biological reductionism is just as harmful as social reductionism; it blinds us to the truths of the matter: your psychology is complex and cannot be completely reduced down to how you were born nor to your environment. Don't tell me to do my research when you're so easy to disprove; you're blinded by your own egotism.

My perspective on gender dysphoria isn't a result of my politics; that's just an assumption you made. My perspective is a result of research and personal experience. I developed gender dysphoria only after being severely bullied as a child; before then it was nonexistent. Is that just a political opinion? No, it's an empirical fact.
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Albert Bunwell - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 06:57:59 EST ID:7hJCOOod No.405934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>405929
>>405930
This is what we call changing the goalposts. By admitting that gender dysphoria has biological weight behind it, the anon effectively agrees with me ("your psychology is shaped both by your social environment and your genetics" compare and contrast with "gender dysphoria is internalized transphobia directed inward toward the self." posted earlier. suddenly it's not JUST social origin, it's genetic and social origin at the same time which does an abrupt back-face upon anon's prior points made in this thread), but they cannot admit defeat in the argument and thus has to redefine the argument upon their own level, namely, by attacking a strawman. Coupled with insults and a general lack of refuting my argument, personal anecdotes being pushed as empirical evidence (suggesting again, a lack of research) and this post is impossible to reply to with a serious face on. Your entire point hinges upon one study and an anecdote. It is not convincing. The logical fallacies make it less so. Consider studying rhetoric in addition to broadening your view upon the literature.
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Priscilla Lightdale - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:39:11 EST ID:7M7ivOEW No.405950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404554
I feel like it's super common for people to pass as the opposite sex, hate it at the time but then realize down the road that's what you actually wanted

I grew my hair out in my skater years and was constantly mistaken for a girl until my voice dropped basically. It was embarrassing but you know what? I literally never thought to myself "I want to cut my hair so people will stop thinking I'm a girl".

I did cut it once and thought "Maybe this will make me stop wanting to be a girl". Oh and it didn't and I grew it right back out

nearly 8 years on hormones later...
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Doris Fiddlespear - Wed, 02 Jan 2019 07:01:15 EST ID:kA3YvclS No.405961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404512
Ugh, that attitude is completely fucked up, and has left us with the horrific pharmotoxicity epidemic that's starting to fail to keep hiding.

Easy right-around-the-corner personal very illustrative case-in-point:
https://boards.420chan.org/b/res/4821329.php#4822475
Some freak here wants me on pizmozide. Or some other antipsychotic. Hah, just one? Right, since when do they do that? They're into dishing those kinds of toxins out in bunches of like 6 or 8! And for what? For being too thoroughly expressive. Or it's just taking the most popular diagnosis of depression turned on its head, you can't go wrong getting cute like that, can you?


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