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Any one non binary here? Some advice would be nice. by Betsy Hunnerbury - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 00:51:31 EST ID:X80EOImd No.404563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm a non binary person pre medication I live in the UK having done some research on the web, is it possible to achieve the asthetic i want by taking low doses of E whilst complementing with an anti androgen? How does one go about seeing a specialist like, I've heard the term gender therapist thrown around a bit. Remember I'm in the UK and I'm kind of lost as to where to start to make the transition MTN. I don't really want to self medicate as I believe it would be careless. Having some advice from a professional would be an ideal. Where do I start? At my Gp? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Phoebe Pallychot - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 08:19:57 EST ID:V8qi4GCQ No.404564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yo, not what you are looking for and not trying to be a dick, but what does non binary really mean and how does this manifest itself in your mind/experiences?
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Betsy Hunnerbury - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:32:50 EST ID:X80EOImd No.404566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404564
That's why I want to talk to a professional. No please any input is good. Honestly if It was easier for my family, girlfriend, and friends to digest I would just want to transition to a girl. I think when I say non binary, I just mean I would like to make a slower transition. For the sake of my family. I've given a lot of thought to what youve said.
When it comes down to it if it wasn't for the stigma that is attached to transitioning I would just want to be a girl. That's how I feel inside.
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Lillian Trotstone - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 22:13:40 EST ID:V8qi4GCQ No.404567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And what does being a girl feel like? Is it a visual thing, like you feel like a female look is more right for you, or is it mental? And in the latter case, what does that mean?

It's probably clear that I'm not trans myself by now, and I hope you forgive me for asking these questions here. I am just really curious and trying to understand this.
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Hugh Challygold - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 22:21:16 EST ID:gjPLkU7y No.404569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>404563
Honestly I wouldnt fuck with those damn pills. Youre better off going vegan and doing herbal hrt if youre non-binary. Id also work on your fashion sense and appearance. Id say those 2 things are more important than anything pills will do.
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Ebenezer Siddlefut - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:03:04 EST ID:mNb9aA8I No.404572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404567
I feel very uncomfortable with my body. I like to keep covered up. I have long periods of feeling low, where I can't interact with other people, or go outside. I'll give you some background.
Since I was very young I wouldn't wear girl clothes until I had to go to school. I would play with toys that where.. well they girls toys. After school was over for the day, me and my mum would go to a famity friends house. My best friend was a girl a year younger than me, I didn't understand that there was a difference, still(and lets be honest a 6 or 7 year old doesnt know the diffrence? ). I would get excited about going over because we would play "dress up" and we would try on lots of clothes and make up. I was not a very observant child. We would go for baths together as children do, one of my friends sisters was a bit older and she used to play with us. But one day she didn't want to. I still remember my brother having to take me aside and tell me, that I wasn't a girl, and explaining that boys have "willys" and girls have "fannys" and I couldn't keep dressing up, because his friends where starting to notice basically and had heard rumors. I did what my brother told me to do. He was right to an extent. I couldn't keep acting how I was, I grew up in a rural area, a small village in the UK, word spreads quickly in places like this even between children. As time went on my dad would ask me to choose new toys and would say things like "your getting to old to play with this now" I grew up very confused. My mum and dad had divorced when I was maybe 5, and I didn't see my dad for very long periods. My mum moved out when I was 6 I think, she thought it was important to keep the friends me and my older brother had already made at school so she would take me and my brother to school every morning. Because she had to work now and because we lived in the middle of no where I spent a lot of time on our family computer. I remember the first time playing worms on a dial-up connection. But anyway we moved around a lot I think maybe 5 or 6 times. I was like 11 or 12 when I started puberty. Now. This is when I realised I might be different to the other boys in my class. Soon after, it was time to go to secondary school, I grew my hair out because I could and it felt good. I met people from different backgrounds, I found fashion, me and a few others where "scene kids" or "emos". I loved this. I could wear make up and style my hair to look how I wanted. As I got older, my friends all moved on with what the new trends where. I really struggled to though and never did through out the whole time I was at school. My mum then passed away just as I left school and my dad all of a sudden came back from Africa "to be there" for me and my brother. I was 15 now. Before my mum died she had helped me apply for a college in a city in another part of the UK so I left where I grew up and moved there. I finished my first year and my dad said I needed to come home and work because what I was studying was not very practical at that time. I came home. I still had never had a girl friend. But that changed when I met a girl who liked my hair and stuff. She said I was cute and was pretty cool. I met her family, they where nice. I lived with my dad for a very short time. He became physically abusive and would throw out my clothes and call me "faggot". We never had a good relationship, not then anyway. After 6 months of dating my first girl friend she left me for an older woman. I was probably 19 now and I had discovered drugs. I was always very interested in phychodelics since I was very young 14 or younger possibly. But after the acid and mushrooms I started taking heroin and benzos. I had money so I decided not to work I would take huge amounts of benzos and opiates and it felt good being able to just sleep all day. I moved back with my dad because it was out of control, I was taking more than 30 etizolam a day with really good heroin. He took the rains, I had to take my piercings out and he got me a job working on a building site, I was no longer taking heroin, but I was still taking large amounts of benzos. It was legal then and easy to get. I felt weird working there. I left after 5 months. While working there I met a guy and I kinda liked him but he was straight, it was through him I met my girlfriend. She is the nicest girl I've ever met. She loved cocaine at the time lol. I spent a lot of money to feed her and my habit, and I ran out of money that my mum had left me. (Btw I don't enjoy cocaine personally, it's just a matter of personal preference I was taking heroin again) we both got clean. Well some what, I still have to take benzos but I'm in rehab still, she managed to come off of coke by her self. Now we live together. I'm not really sure how the last 7 years panned out like this.
I go to college again, but I hate being clean, I feel dysphoria and jelousy towards my girl friend which is shit for her because it comes out in weird ways. She has a background in medicine so I spoke to her about how I feel when I'm not taking drugs. She is the only one I've talked to about it, about a year and a half ago now. Her response was sweet, she is very supportive, but gets angry sometimes because she's straight. She shuts the conversation down before I can start it most of the time now. She accepts that I need to be clean shaven or waxed, and I think she enjoys my company especially when we have money to shop or go out and get coffee and suntan. I get my eye brows done with her and we binge watch Netflix together. She however does not want me to seek professional advise. She will make sure I regularly go to a barber, and as I'm sure your aware with any relationship we argue about stuff quite alot. I don't just want to look female, ive felt this way for along time. It's not something I can turn on and off, well lots of seditives help... but I'm pretty sure that's not the way forward. I think it's time I face my self and stop hiding behind a drug. I understand that my girlfriend will probably not support it but I want what's inside to match what's outside. I'm sick of wearing a mask. I want to start 2018 right and be my self.
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Ebenezer Siddlefut - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:08:48 EST ID:mNb9aA8I No.404573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404569
I really don't want to self medicate, at least certainly not without consulting a doctor first. I've had poor results self medicating in the past.
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Hugh Challygold - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 13:39:25 EST ID:gjPLkU7y No.404577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404572
Oh I thought you were male to female, you should become female to male transexual. MTFs often understand that their appearance wont change on medication alone. However female to males will change with medication only.
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Ebenezer Siddlefut - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:15:50 EST ID:mNb9aA8I No.404581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404577
Sorry yeah ehm maybe I made a typo I am mtf.
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Hugh Challygold - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:55:03 EST ID:gjPLkU7y No.404583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404581
I hope we can help you figure it out.
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Lillian Trotstone - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:58:09 EST ID:V8qi4GCQ No.404584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404572
Wow, that's quite the story! Sounds like you've been through some shit.
Why doesn't your girlfriend want you to seek professional advice?
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Ian Drindertut - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 18:18:03 EST ID:qvvMo5m0 No.404585 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404572
OK to start down this road, it'll take a while.
You go to the GP first, they will recommend you to a specialist transgender clinic. Once you're in you will definitely be able to get hormones. However, as you know the NHS is critically underfunded right now. I think more has been put into transgender care now that it's come more into the forefront and more people are deciding to transition, but when I applied, it took a year of waiting. About a year or so after I left, there was a 3 year waiting list. Apparently it's been cut down now, but I haven't dealt with their services in years so I haven't kept up to date. Either way expect a long wait.

A GP CAN prescribe you oestrogen/anti-androgen, but that's purely at their discretion. You gotta be lucky with your GP. I was already ordering hormones off the internet at the time, had been on them for several months, so when I went in, I explained, asked to be prescribed to decrease the risk of dodgy medicine, but I also outlined that I knew a lot about what I was taking.
I really advise you research, you know the side-effects, the long term effects, the possible damage to kidneys over time from spiro/etc. Explain to the doctor what's going on, ask for these drugs and tell them what you know. If waiting times have been cut drastically, they'll probably just tell you to wait for your first gender clinic appointment, but if waiting times year a year+ and you're desperate explain that and hopefully they'll help.
Tho while non-binary is getting to be more known, in general if you're really wanting to go down the medical route, it's best not to mention that until you get to the specialist clinic, and even then...eeeeh. They really don't like prescribing hormones to non-binary people as that sounds a lot more like "I'm confused" than anything.

But hey, if you are still confused or unsure, that's not a problem. There's a lot of time to figure it out. I won't advise for or against hormones, that's your decision, but remember that it can permanently physically alter your body, albeit slightly. If you think a few years down the line you can't actually deal with boobs then they will shrink very little when coming off hormones.
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Jenny Brunnerman - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 22:11:24 EST ID:gjPLkU7y No.404589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404563
Honsetly I would start with electrolysis.
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Martin Clellertedge - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 18:29:32 EST ID:Ip/h+bwz No.404596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404585
Thankyou. Your amazing, thank you so much. This is the best advice I could ever of asked for I wish I could do something for you for this. Your very understanding. I thought fuck it, and talked to my girlfriend properly and just laid it all out on the table. I've talked to her before but I think the huge amount of time that has passed, she's more understanding that this is real. I'm booking an appointment with my gp tomorrow, I've done some research but I need to do a lot more from what you've said. It could be some time before I see my doctor as there backed up for 5 weeks last time I called. Again your amazing. Thank you for all the advice. ^.^
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Martin Clellertedge - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 18:44:58 EST ID:Ip/h+bwz No.404597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404589
From what I've read, Im not sure that is the way forward to deal with my facial hair, I think the route of multiple sessions of laser hair removal would be more fitting for the time being, at least until I start hrt
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Thomas Sonkinfuck - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 20:54:07 EST ID:D/2u+4B1 No.404598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404597
Very smart,facial hair removal via laser or electrolysis will do more for your transition than any estradiol and anti-androgen will.
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Fanny Gezzlefat - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:08:14 EST ID:WFT6Ny1h No.404603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hi I'm non-binary.

I came out and transitioned a while years ago before things like "genderqueer" and "non-binary" were even really a thing. I'm grateful and fortunate i guess that i'm asian and pass well, so the whole thing went pretty quick for me and in like a year and a half i was "living full-time". I went from pretty standard girl-next-door femme to soft-butch, to leather dyke, to faggotty alien drag creature, in presentation over a few years and now my gender is really all over the place.


I mean, I guess for a while i was just like "oh, i'm just kind of a soft-butch dyke" but really it's more than that. I don't know how to put it in words, but I don't really care what pronouns people use for me. Somedays I dress to influence people to read me more like "he" sometimes more like "she". and sometimes to really intentionally be completely ungenderable (honestly kinda tricky; brains *really* want to fall on one side or the other; like the optical illusion is either in or out but it's hard to see both)

My doctors and endocrinologists hate me <shrug> I'm not going to lie you're going to have a really weird time with the medical establishment. I had an orchiectomy early on so I don't take spiro, but I am on a low dose of estrogen. I try to stay really on top of exercise to keep up what little T-levels I do have, it seems to help. I also do make it a point to "practice"(?) getting hard regularly. I've taken a testosterone shot once experimentally, I'm thinking about getting on a low-dose of T and E. It's not unheard of for post-menopausal cis-females so supplement with both; so I honestly don't see any reason it should be that much more dangerous for a trans person outright. I also do know of some post-op transfemme folks who are on a combination of both, and a few transmasc folks who take a combination of both as well.

Also, seconding hard the laser/electrolysis suggestion. A beard, stubble, even just freshly shaven beard shadow are really powerful gender cues. I really feel like more than even hormones or clothing, a beard "anchored" my gender as male.
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Walter Sillerstere - Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:30:55 EST ID:D/2u+4B1 No.404613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>404597
I always recommend that someone start with hair removal and their appearance. There are tons of people who have been on hormones for years that dont pass. It sucks being an ugly bearded lady. If you start with electrolysis or laser you remove all chances if being a bearded lady.


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