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Science denialist vent/ rant. by James Mother Fucking Randi - Fri, 31 Jul 2015 04:30:23 EST ID:FW3hqiSI No.76865 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I started a thread on /spooky/ asking for any evidence of the paranormal or supernatural.

Instead all I got was a bunch of personal attack and people babbling nonsense and presenting it as truth. Then when shown they are incorrect with verifiable data rather than pseudoscience they resort to personal attacks again. They and pretty much all other magical thinkers take any sort of challenge to their beliefs as a personal attack.

I was at a party a few months back and some girl was talking about how she went to some yoga guy who does "laying on of hands". Which involves doing yoga while a dude puts his hands on your body and makes weird noises. Supposedly doing this achieves any number of effects from healing wounds, curing depression and other supposed boons.
not arguing the therapeutic effects of yoga just the laying on of hands part
I tried to understand what she was explaining to me by asking questions. Like asking her what was actually happening because it made 0 sense to me. Instead she started insulting me for being closed minded and shit.

Also in real life I live in the US south. Where people who think the world is 6000 years old is the norm.

Needless to say I deal with people who use magical thinking on a regular basis.
They are 100% willing to reap the benefits of science and the technology that comes with it until it conflicts with some myth or story about ghosts or some shit some one told them. Then all reason and logic go out the window.

Why do so many people especially in the us reject verifiable facts over what feels good? I went to the same public schools as them, I was also raised in a religious household (jewish, although I'm no longer religious). The only difference is that I chose the rational answer.
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trypto - Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:30:23 EST ID:VTEeSGZV No.77276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77261
Most scientific philosphies or scientifically-oriented epistemology focus on how nothing is ever truly 'proven'. It's a purely skeptical stance, in contrast to mathematics which has actual proofs. This is pretty much the starting point for a deeper understanding of how/why science is successful. Bombastus knows this, which is why he used the quotes here:
> science can "prove" various concrete things.

But he fucked it up with this ambiguous phrase:
>if we're discussing the absolute value of something

Absolute value of something? Who knows what that means. It's just sloppy talk. He's probably talking about the colloquial concept of "proof", but saying shit about "absolute value" gives the opposite impression.

I see what >>77235 is saying, but I also think the phrase "scientifically proven" is acceptable and different from plainly 'proven'. "scientifcally proven" is some confidence past a basic consensus. but the phrase should be avoided for this reason.
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Samuel Pittway - Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:06:58 EST ID:/dGkbVvd No.77281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77276
Since we all know that nothing can be 100% proven, I think the word "proof" can imply an implicit acknowledgement of that fact.
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Reuben Sanderfoot - Tue, 13 Oct 2015 01:26:14 EST ID:uGD5aNS6 No.77282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77281
Its more appropriate to just say "indicates" or "we hypothesize".

>>77276
I agree, I just tend to shy away from the word. What happens all the time is the scientific community accepts something in a consensus, only to have that consensus overturned or it falls to more complete models. As you said, just try to keep a healthy dose of skepticism of everything since we are so far away from total understanding of anything, especially in the realm of physiology.
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Samuel Nishson - Thu, 29 Oct 2015 03:51:53 EST ID:A6yjNMdA No.77338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I was at a party a few months back and some girl was talking about how she went to some yoga guy who does "laying on of hands". Which involves doing yoga while a dude puts his hands on your body and makes weird noises. Supposedly doing this achieves any number of effects from healing wounds, curing depression and other supposed boons.

She was probably just saying that because she wanted you to be sceptical and then invite her to demonstrate or whatever out of "curiosity" and it would all quickly escalate into sex.

I won't believe a girl could genuinely be that ditzy.
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Cornelius Brookstock - Sat, 13 May 2017 20:41:40 EST ID:H2dReURr No.78650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77338
>Lay on Hands
That's riht out of dnd... my anti-paladin used to use that one all the time.


Benzyl Methyl Ether by James Husslemodge - Mon, 08 May 2017 16:21:46 EST ID:H2dReURr No.78649 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is Benzyl Methyl Ether good for anything? I have a jar containing a mixture of Ethanol, Benzyl Methyl Ether, and a few random indoles... no fucking clue what to use this for. I was high and felt like extracting a lilac bush, and now I'm sober.


unexplored waters by Frederick Blillyfoot - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:42:58 EST ID:UoTssc8h No.78641 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Pretty much any phenol without other more lablie reactive sites can be converted to an allylbenzene (like safrole) via condensation with allyl halide and subsequent aromatic Claisen rearrangement of the allyl phenol ether. From there it's known chemistry to get to an amphetamine derivative. pic related is delta-tocopherol, a form of vitamin E, and it's resulting amphetmaine derivative, which is strikingly similar to the 2C-x's and DOx's. There are literally thousands of easily obtainable phenol-derivatives out there with possibly psychoactive derivative amphetamines. Why has there not been more exploration into this chemical space?


Which Major Least hard by breakabond - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 01:53:55 EST ID:LObRvGV/ No.78585 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Which major requires less chemistry? Because to me, chem always seemed like an endless list of things to memorize: polyatomic ions, acids, bases, electron charges, drawing Lewis-dot diagrams, etc ad nauseum...

  • Neuroscience
  • Pharmacology
  • what else?
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Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:39:07 EST ID:l5Akm3J6 No.78600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>78585
> chemistry
> endless list of things to memorise

as a synthetic organic chemist i am highly triggered

it is literally an art fam
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Hugh Tillingforth - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:35:02 EST ID:025IxSqV No.78605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78596
500k available CS jobs in the USA an industry that will never have enough people to be (oversaturated) at least in the next 10 years. Maybe web development sure. Any 12 year old with a computer could be a "web dev" CS is literally the highest paying degree you can get right now.
And there will only be higher demand with new technologies like virtual reality. CS really has endless possibilities of application, not to mention you don't need to work for someone, you could always do your own thing, and still make good money, or even freelance. If you do things for the money though you will realize you really really hate what you're doing.

>DId the bare minimum just to get good grades
yeah, most schools CS program are absolutely dog shit
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Fucking Lightham - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:30:04 EST ID:roSXguau No.78634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
chem is fun in the lab, did neurosci major because the psych courses were easy, now getting over more into computer science. study what you like tho, you'll have plenty to memorize anyway.
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Samuel Clayfuck - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 03:39:38 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78597

Weed helped me learn calculus II somehow.
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Esther Drandlegold - Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:01:09 EST ID:q+gC2Vuv No.78636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Neuroscience probably has less chemistry but both of those majors are pretty heavy memorization. You will have to memorize drug/metabolic pathways. At least in chemistry there is an internal logic to it once you get the basics down, but with molecular pathways it's almost senseless memorization with having to know all the different (often randomly named) parts and how they interact with each other.


What testing could be done on RCs ordered online? by Eugene Wozzleford - Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:25:34 EST ID:NUJLhhhW No.77357 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, I found a clearnet source for both Etizolam and Clon, but then upon checkout, this shit comes up:

>We will need a detailed account of your research methodology though before shipping any order. This an include how you will be utilizing the chemicals, what equipment is used, anticipated results, etc.

What is some things I can say? Obviously they know people are just ingesting them, yet they still have the disclaimer for Not For Human Consumption. That's fine.

But I've never seen this type of bullzhit.

anyone a science student or chemistry student or actual chemist or anything? I know some people say they can test for purity of the drugs. What would be used for that? Some type of ethanol, beakers, syringes, etc?

Thanks.
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 01:41:57 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78582
around the molecules themselves that will be testing the reactions and the molecules are irrelevant and will be stored longterm over a while. However, due tot he nature of the reactions being potentially patent pending, we cannot divulge into specifics.
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Green Fox - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 02:16:52 EST ID:7S/32W3t No.78604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77358

This.
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Fanny Nucklelune - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:52:55 EST ID:NiKHAkYF No.78613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78583
>we cannot divulge into specifics.
Excellently worded. You'll be fine.
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Phineas Gaffingcocke - Mon, 10 Apr 2017 00:00:59 EST ID:n/Fuk2xx No.78631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what are you trying to do?
make Oxycontin?
I really wouldn't recommend that.
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Fucking Lightham - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:22:40 EST ID:roSXguau No.78633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's for zapping labrats, read and cite some research papers.


A/B xtract. Blood interaction. by Angus Povinghood - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 22:23:54 EST ID:LObRvGV/ No.78627 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If you did an A/B on a bunch of used cottons with some blood in the mix as well, what would the blood do if you add base->non-polar extract->add acid to neutralize.

Or wait, now I forget... ^ that sounds like "B/A'... if you're starting with traces of heroin-hcl leftover, then you would start with the base, riiiight....

P.S. check out your
\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Counter-Strike Global Offensive\csgo\streams
folder for some cringey streamer shit.


Retrosynthesis by Emma Giddleridge - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 05:17:10 EST ID:kVxUxljq No.78621 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys, it's been awhile since I've studied Ochem (3 years now) and I'm pretty rusty. Thought I'd give retrosynthesis a crack but I'm seriously struggling with this kinda molecule.

I know my retrosynthesis probably looks dumb because as I said, I'm super rusty. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
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press - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 07:15:23 EST ID:Jirf0CGs No.78624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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what are your criteria for starting molecules?
if you go with B i think that deprotonating acetylacetone, which can be made via the claisen condensation of ethylethanoate and acetone, and then jamming that on 4-"something"hexan-1-ol would work if you the something is a good leaving group, like a trimetyl ammonium thingy for example.
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Charles Gillerbot - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 20:55:35 EST ID:kVxUxljq No.78626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78624
the only real criteria is that it should be able to be done in the least amount of steps with commercially affordable reactants (which i guess is the point of retrosynthesis)

i'll give that a go, cheers!


N2O Synthesis by Charlotte Gozzlefoot - Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:00:40 EST ID:fDi3lCXD No.78519 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys, whippets can get expensive. Does anyone synthesize their own N2O at home/do you have a favorite method of doing so?
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 14:32:07 EST ID:LbDw3v+C No.78611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78609
No. You told me you were searching for a job a while back and I remembered and decided to ask since I miss you here...

I post at work all the time while waiting for refluxes or filtrations.

If you come to Canada, the weed chemistry jobs are booming here. Might be worth looking into if you're a yuropoor.
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Jarvis Supperforth - Wed, 29 Mar 2017 01:33:56 EST ID:7S/32W3t No.78614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78611

Yeah I live in Canada. There is a big fed place that does that here looking for people. Seems like kind of a heavy place to work tbh.
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:31:30 EST ID:9aybb3lV No.78615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78614
why'd you delete your science madness account?
fucc i was gonna offer you a part time contracting thing there. reactivate bls.
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Frederick Craggleford - Sat, 01 Apr 2017 00:20:06 EST ID:ig6EEMwa No.78618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78615
>Taking a job from a tripfag ever
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Augustus Blackcocke - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:29:58 EST ID:1YWXh+i8 No.78625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sure the gas would get cheaper than whippets in cylinder form.


subject by Esther Peckleson - Fri, 31 Mar 2017 00:52:19 EST ID:8Bqb2ojy No.78616 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>hehe yeh bro meth is super simple to make just shake and bake my dude heh
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Frederick Craggleford - Sat, 01 Apr 2017 00:19:30 EST ID:ig6EEMwa No.78617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you're horrible and you should feel bad. this is a fucking horrible thread
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Phoebe Sirrychure - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:15:19 EST ID:EIxfsVdq No.78619 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The synth of SES is wrong, the synth of nitroethane doesn't work without a nitrite inhibitor (to prevent decomposition), the reductive amination is missing a reducing agent (often this would be aluminum foil) and also uses way many solvents which are all wrong because they're not methanol, the reduction of P2NP to P2P is missing and not trivial, metallic mercury will not react with hydrochloric acid, and furthermore, Esther, everyone who knows what they're doing already switched to styrene >> PAA based routes
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Hannah Hublingsatch - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 22:51:52 EST ID:KtEKcIRL No.78620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i never even thought about making the nitroethane before lolwut
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press - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 06:46:51 EST ID:Jirf0CGs No.78623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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your image doesnt even include any routes using ephedrine so i dont see the point of being pissed at shake n bake.

sorry you wasted dozens of hours in ms paint.


Purity Testing GCMS HPLC etc Question by breakabond - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 08:07:46 EST ID:LObRvGV/ No.78584 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This is an email I sent out, but feel free to take a whack at it.

From the given information on the FAQ:
>Then we perform a qualitative analysis on each component identified where possible,
>comparing each substance with a pure reference standard.
>Our results directly provide the result of the salt of the substance, as we’re
>using a salt as a reference standard. The quantitative results are provided using
>a calibration curve from a reference standard.

as well as the techniques listed here https://energycontrol-international.org/drug-testing-service
It seems that almost all of those techniques can be used to generate a quantitative purity result, e.g. GCMS, LCMS, HPLC, UV/Vis.

So can you try to fill in the blanks here for me?

Generate pure quantitative result based on reference standard.
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breakabond - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 13:10:32 EST ID:LObRvGV/ No.78591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>78590
Its energycontrol, they charge 60 for % then $80 for pdf report (like wtf man9
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trypto - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 00:52:16 EST ID:ltcKYWSL No.78592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78591
That sucks. So it's drugs made from a lab that's not trustworthy, and totally opaque... tested by a lab that a bit trustworthy and a bit translucent... Inconsistency is inevitable.

IDK.
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Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:49:59 EST ID:l5Akm3J6 No.78601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78591

The compound in the bottom right is incorrectly labelled. The compound pictured is methadone, while it is labelled as methedrone, which is a methcathinone and related to mephedrone.

Step up, fam.
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Walter Goodwater - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:31:37 EST ID:ZUVcy1Vx No.78607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>78584

A reference standard is a documented, authentic sample of the chemical you are looking to analyse for.

You dilute the reference standard in solvent at a range of concentrations, generally 5 different conc. are used for a good calibration curve.

You set up the instrument (GC/MS/HPLC/UV ect.) and inject each of those 5 standards you prepared.

The plot of detector response (peak area) as a function of each standard concentration should be roughly linear, fit a least squares line and use the equation of that line to calculate the amount of analyte in your test sample based on the peak area it gives.
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Walter Goodwater - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:34:39 EST ID:ZUVcy1Vx No.78608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78607

this process is not nearly as simple as it sounds.

if you really want to test the lab's accuracy weight out a decent sized sample of a compound (~500 mg) and grind it well, then submit two samples of the same grind. They should be within 10% or so of each other


How to creat Oxygen (O2) by Commander Preppy - Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:36:17 EST ID:MuFe+5ez No.78510 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Let's say you're in Syria in an ai-tight room and there's poison gas detonated. What simple household materials could you use to synthesize oxygen? Is it possible to use rust as a source for instance?
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Press - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:49:20 EST ID:9DUR15Uh No.78529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78517
We have a winner.
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Acaelus - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 01:33:18 EST ID:vl5gPJeC No.78531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78517
Its called eletrolysis
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Nicholas Biggleforth - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:48:55 EST ID:WYa1y06F No.78535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wouldn't that just end in you dying from oxygen poisoning?
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Hugh Trotspear - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:46:56 EST ID:Lx3qHXrW No.78595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Easy

Get some dry D cells. Take out the magnesium dioxide
Get some Hydrogen Peroxide
Mix
Capture the bubbles
O2
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Green Fox - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 02:06:12 EST ID:7S/32W3t No.78602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78595

You mean manganese dioxide.


The most dangerous weapon in the world, hiding in plain sight. by Graham Wellypat - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:09:22 EST ID:zYI/8bOR No.78598 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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==MAKE AS MUCH ORGONITE AS POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW!!!!!==
This is not a drill.
>cell phone towers are weaponized death rays ready to nuke the planet or act collectively as a super powerful HAARP-like machine.
>Orgonite converts harmful rays into healthful ones, and can be "gifted" near cellphone towers to negate the effects. The larger ones make chemtrails harmlessly dissipate.
**btw Wilhelm Reich is a notable person related to this topic.**
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Cornelius Nammerfield - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:23:18 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Looks cool tho
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Caroline Bomblestig - Sun, 09 Apr 2017 13:26:37 EST ID:E07OVtj0 No.78629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>78598
u wut?


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