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Boron tribromide demethylation of codeine by Jarvis Hinnerforth - Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:55:50 EST ID:9Opqdgsf No.78280 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I am having trouble with this synthesis. I take 15ml DCM with 200mg codeine base dissolved and make sure its really dry with sieves. Then add something like 500mg of boron tribromide. Immediately the codeine drops out of the DCM solution... no doubt my homemade BBr3 contains a small amount of HBr and Br2. This stuff is unbelievably reactive with air, i've never seen anything fume like it in my life. So i waited/stirred 30mins then added ice/ammonia. No precipitate, i assume the codeine hbr simply dissolved in the aqueous. So next i tried the same thing but added 200mg DIPEA to soak up the acid. Still no morphine precipitate. I worked up both layers both times and verified there was no morphine, i thought it might be dissolved in the high PH aqueous layer but that's only possible with NaOH i believe, morphine should always be insoluble in ammonia hydroxide. I don't know what the problem is.

My boron tribromide is a bit red, i don't have enough to distill. I started from Br2 and Al to make aluminum bromide, anhydrous. Unfortunately i couldn't distill this either but i did leave it under vacuum to hopeful get the free bromine out. I melted it and poured it into another flask with potassium tetrafluoroborate and ended up with only a few ml of BBr3 distilling over. Next time i will use liquid tetrafluoroborate. All 3 of these things really fume like hell. I'm not looking forward to doing it again. I will try to use a vacuum next time, my joints weren't greased and it was pulling in more air then it was worth. I have to make sure i don't get the aluminum bromide on the ground joints as well, god damn what a mess. A propane torch wouldn't even get them apart i had to soak in WD40 then use a propane torch.
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press !QUHukXEvkY - Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:50:08 EST ID:B3jdPBiB No.78320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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while im already derailing a thread; do you have any ideas on muhsroom extraction?
havent attempted it yet since the hooch is still in the mail but i was going to go with the very crude method of soaking the raw material in ethanol w=0,7 and then letting the filtrate evaporate in order to get material that i might recrystallize.
i suspect that simply soaking the material in dilute acetic acid and then basifying it with a subsequent non polar extraction (maybe DCM, maybe EtOAc)
but the zwitter ionic nature of psilocin bugs me to no end

i have to salute OP's resources
i might be able to contribute on the matter once i stop being this high lol

its pretty sad how little happens on /chem/, sciencemadness is ice but theyre all very catious (rightfully so) eventhough i saw several of their mods in the hive or the successors of it
Charlotte Fuckingville - Sat, 22 Oct 2016 00:27:23 EST ID:9Opqdgsf No.78322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The codeine was is from 8mg tablets, 15mg caffeine, 200mg aspirin. Lots of other filler and shit on the ingredient list. I was thinking the caffeine should have been washed away by my DCM wash (while the codeine was still in phosphate form). So idk. Yes chromatography is likely the answer, i've never run a column but i suppose i can figure it out.

I have a UV bulb but i need to find a power supply and ballast, i forget what is required now. Something like 20 volts and a 100 ohm resistor. Its one of those really small uvc germicidal bulbs off ebay, screws into something like a Christmas light socket. Obviously 120ac would blow it though, even 12 volts ended up blowing it because once the mercury heats up and vaporizes it causes a huge current spike which must be limited by some kind of ballast.
Charlotte Fuckingville - Sat, 22 Oct 2016 00:48:34 EST ID:9Opqdgsf No.78323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I used to grow shrooms i thought about extraction but never attempted it. I was planning to use methanol only because its cheap and available at the hardware store. Evaporate with minimal heat (enough to keep condensation from making a wet goop mess) and a fan. Then try to wash with petroleum ether, maybe recrystallize from methanol in the freezer. Maybe add a little dcm to lower the solubility in the mixture.

Your way would probably be cleaner and higher yielding, but who knows. According to this somthing like that should work. https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/psilocin.extraction.html

I hate water in these situations though, so hard to evaporate without heat or time.
Esther Donderkare - Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:43:12 EST ID:2Hc2eoG6 No.78327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Would it be easier to just buy some CYP2D6...
Albert Henkinbanks - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 15:27:19 EST ID:9Opqdgsf No.78328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think it would be feasible to create an artificial liver, but i really don't know. I do know scientists have modified e.coli to produce thebaine. 2mg from 20grams of sugar isn't too good though, and i expect the modified bacteria would be incredibly fragile. So unfortunately we won't be growing morphine in mason jars like magic mushrooms anytime soon.

Countries like Canada are lucky just to have codeine. If you don't have an opiate to start from you are pretty much forced to grow poppies.

I've found my mercury, i'm going to shake the small amount of bbr3 i have left with it then try the reaction again.

Piperadone by Rebecca Ginningman - Sun, 23 Oct 2016 05:29:48 EST ID:9Opqdgsf No.78324 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Any ideas how to synthesize 4-piperidone?
Eugene Dabblekat - Sun, 23 Oct 2016 22:53:02 EST ID:9Opqdgsf No.78326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP here again. Tried the dickmann condensation, acrylates are too hard to make and the burnt plastic smell is not tolerable. The mannich seems to only like to make piperadones substituted on the 2&6 (benzaldehyde, acetaldehyde). Although i havn't tried it yet formaldehyde might work with acetonedicarboxylate, hydrolyse and decarboxilate to 4-piperadone. I can tell you it doesn't work with phenethylamine not in water, alchohol, or acetic acid. Not nearly as easy as most of the internet would have you believe, its quite the opposite. Unless its just me, which is possible as well.

Maybe posassium cyanide + epichlorohydrin = 3-hydroxyglutaronitrile. ***Journal of the Chemical Society, , p. 1164,1166 = 4-hydroxypiperidine**** Then oxidize the 4-hydroxypiperidine alcohol to a ketone somehow. Maybe react with phenethylbromide first then the amine is protected.

Or any other possible routes? I'd love to hear it.

Anhydrous AlCl3 by Walter Claggleville - Fri, 29 Jul 2016 15:16:32 EST ID:ykDmWZpt No.78112 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello, chem!
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but here it goes:
I have aluminum (III) chloride hexahydrate but I need it in the anhydrous form.
Can I oven-dry it at ~100ºC?
Thanks in advance!!
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Nigel Sinderforth - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:44:05 EST ID:Ng8fVE40 No.78239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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John Merringbury - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 23:06:18 EST ID:hBAZGxou No.78277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can demethylate guaiacols by a radical mechanism using CuSO4 + ascorbic acid. Don't waste your time with AlCl3.
Betsy Pittwill - Mon, 10 Oct 2016 23:37:31 EST ID:yvh9Qry5 No.78285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78277 got a ref for that?
Esther Nossleway - Sun, 23 Oct 2016 22:30:30 EST ID:NIATBazO No.78325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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mind if I ask you why would you want AlCl3? just wondering

bombastus and press are fucking bosses, I've learnt a lot with this guys

love you all

Freebase vs Salt Vaporize by Nathaniel Worthingfoot - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 00:01:05 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.78226 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Two questions
1) What's the reason that freebase drugs are preferred for vaporizing/smoking instead of salts?

2) Will lye and baking soda both freebase a drug the same? I'm guessing it just requires more baking soda because it's a weaker base?
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Edward Nottingpock - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 06:17:06 EST ID:ZcMU69D7 No.78269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When you evaporate a solution of HCl water the water evaporates and the HCl goes back into the gas phase leaving behind any salts you may have formed.
The problem is that it's just hard to get rid of all the water without leaving a hydrate or some moisture sticking around. You can try drying in the presence of a desiccant like NaOH
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 02:40:38 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>hard to dry
Normally true. However. When it comes to opiates. Not really.
Doris Fomblefuck - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 13:08:35 EST ID:QFXcUDR6 No.78276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Okay great so that's what I was originally asking. You can make the pH of the solution acidic enough to convert all of it, then simply let it evaporate and you should have 1:1 mole of drug:salt. No need for a selective solvent to separate the drug:salt from excess acid and water.
Albert Wiffington - Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:58:49 EST ID:/9+sroAe No.78317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>What's the reason that freebase drugs are preferred for vaporizing/smoking instead of salts?

Because most people don't have vaporizers that can heat up to 3000 degrees Fahrenheit.
Clara Blythegold - Fri, 21 Oct 2016 18:17:20 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.78321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Then why do people vape Methamphetamine HCl all the time?

the ratman 666 by Cornelius Fogglehedge - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 00:58:05 EST ID:95U922wa No.78303 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>landlord comes to inspect clandestine meth lab property
>she notices the smell of benzaldehyde and asks what air freshener i'm using
>'almond breeze'
Emma Widgetore - Thu, 20 Oct 2016 15:26:27 EST ID:thDqQFXE No.78318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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top kek

Convert Codeine Pills (Just Codeine) by Nathaniel Worthingfoot - Fri, 09 Sep 2016 23:56:07 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.78225 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What would be the best way to get that methyl group offa there?
Well I don't really require morphine, but just whatever opioid is easiest to convert it to while also being smokeable/snortable/get-me-high-rush?
Augustus Mimmlestine - Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:54:42 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.78230 Ignore Report Quick Reply
and here's the paper of that: https://www.dropbox.com/s/khn6dc88btaoeyf/A%20Rapid%20Nearly%20Quantitative%20Conversion%20of%20Codeine%20to%20Hydrocodone.pdf?dl=0

So how feasible is it to do this in your kitchen with chemicals bought from ebay? How available are these chemicals even?

Do we even have good forums available like Rhodium anymore? Sciencemadness doesnt like drug synthesis.
Lillian Fellykudge - Wed, 12 Oct 2016 01:51:03 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.78293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>first step
>"Parr hydrogenator jar,"

Why the fuck is it so hard to do anything with fucking codeine, fuck. I'll just IV it.
press - Wed, 12 Oct 2016 04:26:18 EST ID:KOKj6dOY No.78294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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make some hydrocodone. Pd/C and a mineral acid in ethanol and perhaps sone means of TLC to check conversion
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Thu, 13 Oct 2016 11:28:23 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78297 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hey where you been

Press !QUHukXEvkY - Wed, 19 Oct 2016 02:10:48 EST ID:NyrybZOd No.78311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Was in a workplace accident, spent a week in the hospital
Was on sick leave for five weeks during which i invested my time solely into mushroom cultivation. Tfw no tyramine
Quit a job, took two new jobs. Nb

VR tech by Beatrice Faffingson - Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:59:28 EST ID:TAs+XH9Z No.78259 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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with all the VR tech coming out
i wonder what scientific applications it will have.. not only for humans but even for animals

do you think it would be possible to suit a dog with a VR tech and simulate it as another species or put other data into its eyes/mind?
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 02:42:09 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not really due to the issue of their perception, senses outside of the "normal five", memory, critical thinking, sight, etc.
For that, we'll need better brain mapping technology like how we saw a blurry image of what a cat saw on a screen once.
William Bundock - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 23:58:56 EST ID:qtUm3Qxz No.78279 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It will be the only handle the amount of information when piloting a Gundam.

Nootropics Textbooks/ Papers/ Literature by He - Thu, 22 Sep 2016 08:55:08 EST ID:XgflcvVv No.78260 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm looking for some textbooks/ literature on nootropics. My boss's brother is a surgeon, and he's heard rumblings from his pharmaceutical friends that there are compounds out there that aren't known to the public, and only given to people like special forces.

I think they're fascinating, and I'd love to better understand their chemistry. While most of my work in the industry has been with things like coatings and adhesives, I'm sure I wouldn't have any trouble with technical stuff, as I took plenty of high level organic classes in college.

C-F Bond Vaporize Harmful? by David Fanwater - Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:44:07 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.78254 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Drugs with that Flourine-Carbon bond, although scary, are supposedly actually safe because the C-F bond is one of the strongest there can be, so not likely to metabolize into free flourine.

So with drugs like 4-FA, 2F-Ketamine, what if we vaporize them? Is a lot of heat enough to break that bond?
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 03:02:41 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lmfao. i find you cute.
you just stated that C-F bonds are one of the strongest bonds and then asked if heat will degrade it. I know for non-chemistry people, it's hard to put two and two together but I like how you are using your noggin, though. You're already better than three quarters of the students I've TAd.

Anyway, C-F bonds have a bond strength of 550kJ/mol where as regular methyl C-CH3 bonds have a bond strength of around 450kJ/mol. This really means that it's almost impossible to break this bond unless you have a self-feeding reaction like setting it on fire. But even then, the C-C bonds and C-H bonds would burn before the C-F bonds do
You'll be fine vaporizing whatever you legal substances you're sublimating for science, ofc.
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 03:04:54 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, is that face reaction from the comic where a guy gets high, walks over to the garbage can with a ziplock bag and his bong, drops the bong in the garbage can with a shattering sound, and then proceed to make that face?

Can't find it right now since I'm on mobile.
David Fanwater - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 04:15:54 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.78257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes lol, I cropped it from that.

So cool, there is some quantitative way to figure out what it takes to break a bond.

Break a bond... break a bong... pic related.
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 17:40:24 EST ID:4ppVjZXo No.78258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bonds boil down to the electron configuration of the atoms they are bonded to (along with the neighbouring electrons) and the spatial organization of the bonds and atoms in the molecule.
To figure out the spatial organization, you just use your eyes and bond energy tables. To figure out electronical (relating to electrons) configuration, use the DFT program I told people about (http://boards.420chan.org/chem/res/77990.php) and play around with the orbital energy levels.

Phosphate by Shit Dollerwin - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:12:54 EST ID:kO6h6vAq No.78238 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I don't see much info on turning a phosphate, in my case Codeine-Phosphate (how do you even abbreviate phosphate). Perhaps because it's just like turning a salt into a freebase?

How would you go about converting Codeine-Phosphate into Codeine?
Is it even worth the effort to do it with 700mg worth of Codeine-phosphate?
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:37:59 EST ID:4ppVjZXo No.78241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it worth the effort? Depends on why you are doing it.
Why are you freebasing codeine? Are you going to smoke it? Are you going to turn it into hydrocodone / morphine / dihydrocodeine? Are you an autist?

I would say just eat this shit by itself. The phosphate anion is abbreviated by PO4-3. When it comes to alkaloids, the phosphate is actually phosphoric acid codeine chelation so it would be:
Codeine H3PO4
Ebenezer Blagglebury - Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:55:31 EST ID:O07bFEtx No.78248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Are you going to turn it into hydrocodone / morphine / dihydrocodeine?
Was thinking about it but I don't know if I've got enough Codeine. What do you think?
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sat, 17 Sep 2016 02:01:46 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
50mg of codeine is enough to change it. you'll only get 30-40mg of hydrocodone, 20mg of morphine, or 45mg of dihydrocodine. The more you make, you'll have to use almost as much solvent and other reactants in order to make the reaction work.
It costs as much to turn 50mg of codeine into hydrocodone as it does to turn 500mg. You decie what's worth it.
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sat, 17 Sep 2016 02:02:45 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, why do you even need to freebase it? If you separate the codeine phosphate from pill bulkers, you can just use the codeine phosphate to react with the other shit. Most of the time no freebase needed.
Nell Tootwater - Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:03:47 EST ID:O07bFEtx No.78252 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Alright, thank, I'll keep that in mind

Predict Metabolism by Walter Drabberdale - Wed, 31 Aug 2016 18:40:28 EST ID:gk9dXVsY No.78200 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Any guesses at to what this gets metabolized into?
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Henry Fummerstock - Sat, 03 Sep 2016 01:00:27 EST ID:VjvGmScF No.78213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
do you think this is a motherfucking game?
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:43:32 EST ID:4ppVjZXo No.78242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why do you ask?

The first things you're looking for are oxygen bound molecules since our endogenous enzymes can work with them much better than carbon-carbon bonds unless it is for metabolism for energy.
So the oxygen bridge can be broken by a simple acid, the methyl group on the ester is easily removed, and the phenolic alcohol cannot be oxidised but can be methylated or aceylated depending on where the reaction occurs.

Now, look for other non-carbonous groups and the first I see are two tertiary amines. Demethylation of the N,N, methylamine on the dihydroindole would make sense by the standard demethylation enzymes. Then perhaps amine bridge cleavage to create the nor-equivalent since it's a pretty stressed ring.
Doris Sabberputch - Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:59:47 EST ID:28FgXo1Q No.78243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why do you ask
Subject effects are opioid-like, but the molecule itself is antagonist, and I don't think we have any studies proving what it metabolizes into.
Edward Wendlegold - Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:08:20 EST ID:28FgXo1Q No.78244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>since it's a pretty stressed ring.
Isn't that weird how nature makes these structures that seem so awkwardly formatted. Everything should be lines and hexagons to keep it simple.
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:20:31 EST ID:4ppVjZXo No.78245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well yes and no. Nature likes to keep nitrogens tertiary and stable and will branch out to go out of the carbon comfort zone in order to satisfy the nitrogenous fetish. It also favors difficulty if it can produce a compound to help it selectively thrive better than the compounds that do not.

MXE Synthesis by James Blatherstock - Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:00:34 EST ID:xPDjzOso No.78148 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, theoretically speaking, how hard would it be to synthesize MXE at home assuming one had no real chemistry experience or knowledge?

I'm curious because this stuff has gone the way of quaaludes and nobody is making it anymore, and after reading /dis/ for a while I've been wondering for the past few days what would making a batch imply in terms of proficiency, equipment and reagents.
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Wesley Clommerchedging - Fri, 02 Sep 2016 06:29:58 EST ID:BClNdd0H No.78203 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lmao what.
Looks like this is based on a misunderstanding of the nitroaldol condensation, but it's pretty fucking hard to tell.
Vulpine - Thu, 08 Sep 2016 12:14:29 EST ID:AVVmIPkE No.78224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
anything on rdx times and best bromination methods why pull ll this information and make easy to follow guide with the help of rhodium archive

Schepperschop - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:23:26 EST ID:xTIigKo1 No.78227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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gooby pls. crop. resize.
schepperschop - Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:19:50 EST ID:xTIigKo1 No.78229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sorry I am very bad with computers.

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