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microscopic telescope by Eugene Deddleham - Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:12:29 EST ID:6cilZam8 No.78106 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just wondered, I have never heard of a microscopic telescope. By this I mean a device along the lines of a large nature-style camera lens or traditional telecope that is able to zoom in to the target area of a physical item and produce a 3d environment of that area through the lens? Surely theres an infinite amount of detail from a physical item We have all this advanced astronomical technology these days to look at things that lie in the distance. What would happen if technology was put into microscopic telecopes thanks everyone

TLDR: a lens of intricately layered magnifying glasses that self multiply
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:51:09 EST ID:ElYFdcKO No.78107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the width of photons and their wave functions still have a measurement and you need to capture a lot of them to concentrate them. this is why a microscopic telescope isn't worth producing because they'd be so damn sensitive, there'd be no point. the curvature of the glass is also then limited due to the angles possible when the radius is limited.

Demethylation - pyridinium pathway by Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:02:33 EST ID:LtWIDIP2 No.78028 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Trying 3-4 different demethylation strategies under mild conditions, it seems that pyridinium HX is going to the be easiest and most non-retarded way of demethylating any species.
Any other format either seems to cleave the ether bridge, require too much heat, or is simply impractically tender.

So I wonder - does anyone have any resources on a better yielding demethylation of aromatic methoxides with pyridinium salts? Can anyone find any literature that says PyHBr would be more selective and cleaner than PyHCl with a 15% yield in demethylation of "certain" compounds? Would they be more selective or would it just not matter?

Pic unrelated
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:57:02 EST ID:G8mu3scS No.78085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
chemical castration

also because if you can use hbr pyridine to demethylate with a higher yield, it would prove my hypothesis. it's more for science. However, i believe the pyridine has such a low yield due to the high temperatures that the reaction opeates on. 180 burns enough morphinan structures to fuck your shit up fam
do you suppose you could put it under a full vacuum and then heat it up in order to run the pyridine at a lower temperature? can you even use a solvent for the pyridine? if not, then HBr would increase its boiling point and make the decomposition even worse.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:45:19 EST ID:fcMijPsC No.78086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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well thats good! if you think that you can get enough starting material to invest your theory thatd definetely be the way to go. keep us up to date!

speaking of methyl ethers, i recently came across potassium methanolate and was wondering if it could be used to convert aryl halides to methyl ethers of aromatics. a superficial search didnt reveal anything, id guess that its a bit more hazordous to handle *i dont know* and perhaps a bit too basic to use in the presence of aldehyde groups while in higher concentrations, but whats your take on it?

ive been meaning to restart the mescaline thread with a drawn out compilation of a routes mentioned therein.
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:50:50 EST ID:II1FH3AD No.78091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
don't retard the thread I'd just start a new one because that one has so much information to sift through its not worth rebumpin at this point (sorry fiend)

think I'm too busy to try this demeth though. I like science and shit but I also like my time more
press !QUHukXEvkY - Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:57:40 EST ID:fcMijPsC No.78093 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it already was retarded the minute it started. but i agree with it being too flooded, hence i want to make a simple compilation

what about the potassium methoxide?
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:25:38 EST ID:vbS8CtHn No.78105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you'll never make a simple compilation because of the retardation that comes with being 420chan. that's just how life goes and i'm ready to fucking kill myself.

what ABOUT methoxide? i feel like that would be too strong of an electrophile and might just rip the ether open.

Is it possible to make shakenbake with lorantadine10mg/ psuedophedrine by Sidney Bottingwat - Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:31:03 EST ID:sM4N11VN No.78087 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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SWIM (someone who isn't me) wants to know if it is possible to make shakeNbake with psuedophedrine aulfate 240mg/loratadine(claritin D behind the counter)
If so, how would you do it, anons?
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Sidney Bottingwat - Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:54:37 EST ID:sM4N11VN No.78092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Eh it's out of respect. Honestly it was my dipshit friend. I know that its acetone, lithium (battery acid), draino, denatured alcohol, and sudafed but I don't want him to try it without knowing what would happen with the loratadine10mg that is per tab
Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:23:28 EST ID:0du+stps No.78098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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From the ingredients you're describing, I assume he is doing a birch reduction. I don't know if loratadine would react, but Sudafed as far as I'm aware is readily available in formulations which do not contain loratadine in most places.
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:13:27 EST ID:AoI9o4UM No.78099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh. That's what people are shake and baking now? Fucking weird.
Lorentadine shouldn't iinterfere. But I would also watch the dosage after the fact, though.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:44:22 EST ID:fcMijPsC No.78100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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my cats friends mother thinks SWIY is missing some friends of chemicals for that reaction that isnt your friends mothers reaction of something that isnt methamphetamine. maybe you should buy her some cold packs
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:17:33 EST ID:vbS8CtHn No.78102 Ignore Report Quick Reply

amphetamine related by Ebenezer Snodhood - Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:37:35 EST ID:/F1T+Pgt No.78014 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello guys I've been trying to reduce the P2NP (phenyl-2-nitropropene) to the amine form (amphetamine)

I tried the amalgam procedure described in erowid but this doesn't reduce the double bond (despite the rodium's archives where some people tried this and said it worked I was suspicious and tried it anyway but it doesn't give a single thing) with the "Reduction of unsubstituted P2NP by HyperLab Bee #2."

What would be a good method? LiAlH4 is expensive and difficult to handle, same with palladium or platinum compounds

I was thinking on NaBH4 to reduce the double bond and then Zn/HCl for the nitro group but I'm not sure

thanks a lot
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Phoebe Saggledock - Sun, 03 Jul 2016 13:31:41 EST ID:JyGokHy9 No.78064 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll see it if
>>78062 doesn't work
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:34:47 EST ID:ElYFdcKO No.78065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's no reason it won't work.

It's just that us clandestine-oriented chemists (Press n' me) see a more efficient method of achieving the final product compared to the academic route. Borohydride is annoying to work with due to the formation of borates (though, easily separated by a column) and since you're producing hydrogen gas in the second step, you might as well just use it to your advantage in a hydrogenation.

The 1pot reaction also benefits in that you can reuse the palladium on carbon by a simple filtration to be used over and over again. Such is the magic of Pd/C. Buy a sacrificial silica frit so you can reuse it for Pd/C. That's what I have and it works magic.
Rebecca Diddlebick - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 18:18:55 EST ID:FgNFOc9k No.78068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thanks for your response

maybe this is a stupid question but will the aromatic ring of P2NP get reduced too if I use Pd/C? or this could only be achieved with high pressure system
Nicholas Dundleludging - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:07:10 EST ID:FgNFOc9k No.78069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ok let me see if I get your idea:

In a proper flask I put my P2NP, Zn, HCl and (if I get) palladium black? which solvent can I use? any alcohol? heating? don't I need an H2 bomb? what about the proportions of each chemical?

after a couple of hours under stirring this rxn should be done, then I go for the filter (recover Pd) and extraction, right?

ALSO: I have PcCl2 but not sure if this would work the same as Pd/C, thoughs?

great thread btw
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 23:27:34 EST ID:LtWIDIP2 No.78070 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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benzene will not be hydrogenated at pressures lower than 60 degree. this is due to rapid isomerization of the products and reisomerization back to the reactants.
you'll need something like 30atm and 300C in order to fully hydrogenate benzene to cyclohexane.

This may be similar to your benzylic alkene but it does not engage in the main conjugation. 3atm of pressure may be necessary for this reaction at 0C. 0C increases hydrogen solubility in water and also prevents side reactions from happening.

My idea is to stir a mixture of pd/c, nitrox, zinc, and mild hydrochloric acid in a somewhat closed system for 24hours. water should be good eough since HCl. keep it at 0degrees and run the hydrogenation for 24 hours at the pressure needed to keep the balloon inflated - as per undergraduate reactions. that creates around 3atm and allows extra pressure to leak out through the side.

you might want to do 24hours of stirring as the double bond engages in electron sharing with the aromatic ring. you would filter through a pad of celite, sand, or sacrificial frit, neutralize with baking soda, and extract with toluene, dcm, ether, etc.
Wash the organic solvent with brine, dry with magnesim sulfate, dstill off the solvent, keep it under vaccum for 12 hours or whatever, and recrystallize from ethanol IF necessary.

Amphetamine solubility by Egodeath1 - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 19:20:23 EST ID:lZft8ef9 No.78055 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Okay so i dissolved 1 gram of 2 fa 2 fluroamphwtamine in 30ml of watwr. Ny question is if I let 15ml of it evaporate will i be left with some crystal 2fa?
Clara Povingmed - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 19:54:39 EST ID:iojFxQa5 No.78056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
With the way this question is phrased, worded, and spelled, I'm not sure it even deserves a response.
Egodeath1 - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 20:22:25 EST ID:lZft8ef9 No.78057 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Agreed. Ate to many darn hallucigens
Eliza Serrydock - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 03:55:57 EST ID:Snrw7+hK No.78066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes you will be left with 2 grams of crystal because every time you dissolve it in water and evaporate it the amount of drug doubles
press - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:21:58 EST ID:fcMijPsC No.78067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
maybe. i dont know the solubility.
next time use hot water and as little as possible. then just let it slowly cool down

hacking the mind by Ernest Drodgeway - Wed, 22 Jun 2016 18:21:30 EST ID:QmmUL0gM No.77992 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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you know how we can put those electrodes in the heads of animals ?
we put one in the head of a rat once and they made it move with a joystick

do you think the government would weaponize i mean we could do tigers?
if we wire them right we could keep them moving through death

in theory you could do it to humans it'd be almost like zombies
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Wed, 22 Jun 2016 20:34:23 EST ID:V1Ngvki3 No.77996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Finding Job with BSc in Biochemistry by Augustus Fublingdale - Tue, 07 Jun 2016 10:45:19 EST ID:1hq57uuB No.77945 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello guys,

I'm 22 years old and have a BSc in Biochemistry. I was wondering if it was easy to find a Job in the U.S. only with a BSc. The reason is that I need a change in environment. I somehow have the urge to travel and live in different countries.
The industry doesn't really matter it just has to make for a living and maybe it is possible to study besides working.
I'm from switzerland if that changes anything.

SLAYER to y'all
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:10:13 EST ID:vbS8CtHn No.77950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Get a masters otherwise you'll be stuck doing menial lab tech work until you're 40 and maybe then get an exec. position if you're good with money.
Cyril Chimmlebut - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:46:37 EST ID:1hq57uuB No.77973 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I do want to get a masters degree but I want to do that while working part-time so that I can live on my own and be a little more independent.
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:07:21 EST ID:+CUD9CML No.77974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Some Masters can pay $20000-$25000 a year.
Find one.
Molly Pabberstane - Sat, 25 Jun 2016 00:18:13 EST ID:MS463KCQ No.78010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you can get accepted to a PhD. program you can usually make an annual stipend of 20-25k in exchange for teaching. Work the PhD. track towards the MSc. then leave the program with your MSc.
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Fri, 01 Jul 2016 01:43:36 EST ID:bXUlP+sg No.78050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Both; bank loan. Or you could find a job with an undergraduate and work until you have time to return for your masters.

Alkene synthesis by Esther Snodfuck - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:52:08 EST ID:WznVySGw No.78005 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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anyone know how to solve this question with all the organic products ?
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sun, 26 Jun 2016 11:49:55 EST ID:R7YMUN76 No.78025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh Vehk and Press are buttbuddies. It's okay :3

Also, I looked up the reaction and possible transition states to make sure I'm not retarded. And no. I'm not retarded:
I'm sorry, OPee. But under the falsification principle, it seems that "the software is wrong" is the most likely answer.
You could try drawing the tertiary carbocation intermediate. But that would just be retarded to ask of you.

Why are you even doing Organic chemistry in July.
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I even tried that lol still said wrong idk I gonna attempt one more time then ill post answer they said was "correct", and I got a B+ in the lab1, B+ in orgo2 and an A- in lab2, but because I got a C- in the first semester of orgo the new school I transferred too said I have to retake in the summer or no diploma, I only have 1 week left so not that bad but 2300 rip for a class I already passed
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:56:28 EST ID:V/Ex51MS No.78027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bump. It's been two hours. What now.

I also fucking hate when schools make you do that. Sorry OP.
This problem - Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:29:16 EST ID:YfyCDm6o No.78030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wanna see some bullshit ..... stupid software I was right all along
William Clonkinman - Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:42:25 EST ID:IK7sy6RX No.78031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's that pearson bullshit online hw isn't it? That's the worst shit I've ever used, the problems are all terribly made and there's typos everywhere.

Dumb scifi question by Jarvis Drerryson - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:37:45 EST ID:TtNn9wfR No.78004 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I'm dicking around with a videogame, and I had the dumb idea to make a character that's essentially a biological computer, radio controlling organic drone bodies through biological radio transmitters - basically technobabble telepathy.

Would such a thing be possible, if you had countless of hours to dick around with genes and shitloads of funding?

Also, would someone be able to jam such a biological radio signal? I mean, if you can jam real radio, or take over control of a radio signal, in real life, surely you should be able to control some biological radio controlled drone...

Also, would it be possible with only radio transmitters, or could other more exotic waves be used?

Old, novel 14-hydroxylation by Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Wed, 02 Mar 2016 21:02:15 EST ID:qWybWc+e No.77704 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Acetylate codeine. Protects the group.
Peroxyacid attacks the 14th position caused by the resonance of the double bond (absent in dihydro intermediates proposed earlier). Theoretically creates 14-hydroxy-acetyl-codeine but due to the heat, codeine and 14-hydroxycodeine are also formed.
Another acetylation can be performed and peroxyacid attack to adequately react away the byproducts (worth it IMO but needs to be recalculated).
Deacetylation with a strong acid (sulphuric) upon heating can render the hydroxide workable. Dilution and Pd/C reflux should be able to both hydrogenate and oxidise the 14-hydroxycodeine to 14-hydroxy-dihydro-codeinone.

Sounds workable but the 1916 journal mentions that it is an intermediate to create 14-hydroxycodeinone, not 14-hydroxycodeine. That's not a big issue, if that is the case. A simple borohydride reduction to 14-hydroxycodeine should make the Pd/C reflux workable and remove the need for hydrogenation - which most people cannot do.

The first step should take around 15 minutes with a workup for 30. The second step is an 8 hour reflux. The third step is a 4 hour reflux. This really means that this reaction can take just one day. A column purification step is highly recommended.

It'd be interesting to see if anyone can try it to work.
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Fri, 25 Mar 2016 01:34:07 EST ID:iJW+fxXz No.77767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:17:27 EST ID:7o87/hD6 No.77790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ru. Keep up the good work. It's like you came out of nowhere and suddenly there are 2.2 organic chemists on this board now!
(fuck you vehk. you're only 20% of one right now. go back to ledickcirclejerk)

what do you think of my idea up there ^
Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Sat, 02 Apr 2016 22:44:41 EST ID:aFt0bd4t No.77792 Ignore Report Quick Reply

25% of an organic chemist in a month. Also, you're the one always sending me links to circlejerk threads.
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:25:21 EST ID:V1Ngvki3 No.77839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Phenylethylamine (PEA) to Amphetamine by George Pimbletodge - Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:35 EST ID:ccTkU6G9 No.77916 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Will this actually work?


Phenylethylamine (PEA) to Amphetamine :) PURE

  1. Add an OH group. Dissolve your PEA in warm ethanol (alcohol). Grain would work, i use hand sanitizer (after salted out of course). No boil off that ethanol on about 180F. Can go up to almost 300F if you want to speed it up.

2. Scrape the remaining white powder off the pan. Place in a mix of white vinegar and warm ethanol. Let it dissolve. Now boil this shit off on same temp. Now you have a Ketone aka ====O. Next you're going to methylate this and have Amphetamine.

3. Scrape this powder off pan, place in a VERY small mixture of methanol and acetone (1mL per gram). Shake it. It should react ithin 2 minutes. Now filter this and let it dry. You just fucking made pure Amphetamine. Go give some to your friends. Take some too. Keep a big stash. Sell a bit even.
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:11:15 EST ID:vbS8CtHn No.77951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Uh wat. Amines are more reactive than alcohols in terms of acetylation, tosylation, t-boc-ification and whatever

nb. maybe i missed the point
Press !QUHukXEvkY - Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:53:54 EST ID:3JmPYuOx No.77954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well not if you just put an amine and acetic acid in a pot and then spend an hour standing next to it.
Theyd just undergo an acid base reaction unless you were to add an activation agent like ddq or had a better leaving group.
Press !QUHukXEvkY - Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:57:30 EST ID:3JmPYuOx No.77955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck dic or bop or whatever, not ddq
Nicholas Crarringchag - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 00:29:04 EST ID:qwgyiW+Y No.77971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Now you have a Ketone aka ====O
thanks OP this really breaks it down for ya

just put in my order for 5kg of PEA
Walter Binnerdodge - Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:45 EST ID:A4nip1Ns No.77982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would take your PEA, throw in a base and some methyl chloride and pray to god things work.

Shit had me weak man by Thomas Publingstock - Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:25:23 EST ID:NLJmhbvz No.77707 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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In an attempt to make some counterfeit codeine with prometh syrup (it was for a southern rap themed party), I dropped about 3 oz of pg/vg mix with some flavor, two or three shots of everclear and two shots of tito's vodka, 10 finely crushed alprazolam 2mg tablets, and to top it off, corn syrup for the texture.

Here's the real question though: Would heating up the alcohol and/or alprazolam mixture do anything to potentiate it?

I put an ounce in a big pineapple and drank that and caught a fantastic buzz and when I tried doing it with two ounces of the solution, I fell asleep before finishing it. They way I heated it up was I took two pyrex measuring cups, put very hot water in the first one and placed the second pyrex (containing the solution) on top and using a metal whisk, I mixed the ingredients until they were nice and even. There was still a little pill matter so I just took that off with a spoon since it rose to the top and ended up with a pint of some "lean".

Did the heat help or could it just be the alprazolam and alcohol working together? I put half an oz in my drink today in class because I took an adderall (it makes me nervous so I needed to chill) and ended up pretty buzzed for about an hour rather than just chilled out lol thank god the adderall kept me functional.

So what's the deal gais? I need a chemistry guy on this, help a brotha out
Thomas Publingstock - Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:27:16 EST ID:NLJmhbvz No.77708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What I'd also like to know is whether or not the xanax binded to the alcohol or any of the other ingredients, as I know it isn't water soluble. I may have put more alcohol in there than previously stated, btw, I didn't measure just dropped some in the pyrex until it looked right
Jenny Blushham - Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:22:39 EST ID:2wC1bo8y No.77709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No to everything. That's just a shitload of alcohol and 20mg of xanax, way too much sugar and for some retarded reason pg/vg.. I'm guessing that was the grape flavor?
Polly Mellyham - Tue, 08 Mar 2016 20:50:36 EST ID:xxs07y/f No.77734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Your friends are gonna black out, not remember the party, and blame you.
John Brazzleshaw - Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:44:43 EST ID:TrPWlcRq No.77737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
...Why not just get the actual syrup?
This seems unnecessary and possibly dangerous.
Ebenezer Lightville - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:31:54 EST ID:RMLgtyMj No.77979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This shit sounds amazing, give in depth instructions

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