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Learning chemistry online by Alice Mevingpug - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 03:40:46 EST ID:KCS86o4a No.77741 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys,

I want to get into chemistry. Can you recommend some good, free online courses or something? Or maybe some book(s) that is good for a self-learner? The site study.com offers a free 5 day trial (afterwards the cheapest thing is $50/month which isn't bad), I will give that one a go. On this other site, alison.com are some free courses of introduction to chemistry, which is exactly what I'm looking for, but it looks like these are only videos, I'd rather have something like videos and presentations/written text so I can re-read it and learn it.. you know, just like in college. Yeah I could make my own notices while watching the videos but fuck that noise, I hate making notices. Any suggestions?
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Hannah Tootgold - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:37:00 EST ID:xxs07y/f No.77742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Kahn Academy

General and organic chem text books. do the practice problems
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Fuck Chondlegold - Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:11:44 EST ID:hqftNCGp No.77745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77741
khan academy will have all the chem high school courses
only thing is you wont be able to make cool experiments and shit
schools got access to some sweet fucking chems, dude
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Samuel Pibberbutch - Mon, 14 Mar 2016 13:16:59 EST ID:ybs70zkB No.77746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77742
thanks man, I'll check it out

>>77745
yeah I know, but I already finished one college and I just started at a new job, I don't have the time right now to start another college. Besides, I don't remember shit from the high school chemistry, so this is a great start for me.


Anthropology by Eugene Meblingkut - Thu, 10 Mar 2016 23:29:56 EST ID:HSdvhBMF No.77739 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Please mystify me.


can you id this? by Lillian Honeywell - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:32:49 EST ID:wC5/3Op6 No.76238 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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saw this written down somewhere
curious to what it is
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Emma Worthinghood - Tue, 23 Feb 2016 23:47:16 EST ID:6FVGXA05 No.77693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77692
So you own /chem/ now? It's called a joke dipshit
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Faggy Havingkedge - Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:39:02 EST ID:vFjYr6dk No.77696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77693
Haha we're all laughing fuckface. Good joke. Spam more please.
NB
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Cornelius Grimbury - Tue, 08 Mar 2016 23:49:48 EST ID:BrbiAnNp No.77735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>77696
>>77692
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Priscilla Huttingtotch - Wed, 09 Mar 2016 08:38:54 EST ID:5P3qbCIv No.77736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>76276
The picture is from Finland. "Tarjous pizza" means "cheap pizza" roughly translated from finnish to english.
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Jenny Binnersetch - Fri, 11 Mar 2016 21:39:50 EST ID:imwkOt2v No.77740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>76273
Maybe it's supposed to be beta-keto-dmt. Like Bk-2cb but with dmt.


Fun chemistry experiments by Lillian Henningstane - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:32:27 EST ID:hqftNCGp No.77699 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I remember as a kid I used to mix mr muscle containing NaOH, aluminium and water. A strong exothermic reaction occurs by mixing the NaOH and water. Adding the aluminium instantly reacts with the solution and creates hydrogen gas.
Me and my friends had a blast doing it when we compressed it in a regular old plastic PET bottle (get the pun?)

Are there any similair experiments that causes the same kind of explosive result (made from homemade stuff of course)?

I've heard something about El Dorado soap but idk

I can't really make nitro glycerin like that cool youtube chemist because I don't have access to nitric acid, etc.

And no, officer, I am not a terrorist
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Thomas Cluttingforth - Wed, 02 Mar 2016 03:00:48 EST ID:f7nOMwEX No.77700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77699
gasoline + soft soap or styrofoam. stir in sytrofoam until gasoline will not dissolve any more. Makes napalm.
Ammonia nitrate (Slit open single use ice packs)+ Potassium something (called salt substitute in any grocery store. make sure it's 100% potassium sorbate or potassium sulfate or something). Don't remember the ratios but find that shit out yourself nigga. Crush the ammonia nitrate beads to make powder. Mix the salt substitute in water and boil it until it stops dissolving. filter out whatever remains and discard. Add the ammonia nitrate powder to the water and heat slightly because the mixture will lose temperature quickly. once it is completly dissolved, put it in a mason jar in a fridge overnight. in the morning scrape the crystals. You may get more if you put the liquid back in the fridge.
Crush the crystals into powder. This is potassium nitrate, or "saltpeter".
From a chemichal supply or science or gardening store buy pure powdered sulfur. from a gardening store buy charcoal powder. In fact, your gardening store may stock stump remover which is sometimes pure potassium nitrate, meaning you wouldn;t have to make your own.
75 parts potassium nitrate, 15 parts charcoal powder, 10 parts sulfur makes black powder. 50 parts potassium nitrate 40 parts charcoal 10 parts sulfur makes blasting powder.


stop bein a faggot an just look tis shit up for yourself. The limit for black powder purchase WITHOUT ID and without being registered is 75lb. you can buy enough gunpowder completly within your bounds of a regular citizen to bring down an apartment building. feds ccouldnt give a shit what you do if you're not islamic or mexican
so just think of some fun things to do
be creative
find your own answers in life for a fulfilling existance
do not expect to be force fed
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Thomas Cluttingforth - Wed, 02 Mar 2016 03:03:17 EST ID:f7nOMwEX No.77701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77700
existence
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Angus Drondleson - Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:28:57 EST ID:hqftNCGp No.77703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>77700
Baller
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Jarvis Shittingman - Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:09:02 EST ID:RLSN+6eM No.77710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Any idea what this one is?

https://gfycat.com/AggravatingGeneralFlycatcher
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press !QUHukXEvkY - Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:06:33 EST ID:bRQD0jr4 No.77718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77710
ethanol vapours in a bottle.

just put a small volume of pure ethanol in a big container and shake it around, then wait a bit and light away.

you could use other solvents but it wouldnt look as blue. im also not responsible if you blow yourself up.


Predicting NMR by Edward Cribberbut - Thu, 03 Mar 2016 04:05:56 EST ID:EP6hRsTc No.77706 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What does Anon use to predict NMR?
I'm currently using Mestrenova which is a step-up from ChemDraw but still lackluster.
I'm looking for something that doesn't need to run on a server farm but is still decent enough to serve as a guideline when interpreting spectra.


Oxycodone Reactions Summed up Neatly by Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw!!7zlcjO/U - Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:04:57 EST ID:V1Ngvki3 No.77560 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Okay, so we had a failure with the reactions of oxycodone with a fucked up friend of mine a while back. He had given me some failed hydrogenated species of 14-hydroxycodeinone which was one of the weirdest highs I have ever experienced in my life. I think I took around 25mg of it.
I think that was a weird kappa-agonist with some mu-effects.

Regardless, a few things that make the last thread obsolete are as follows:
  1. 14-hydroxylation of any morphinan requires the double bond at the 7th position for the enol to occur. Otherwise, the oxyacid cannot form the tertiary alcohol due to lack of reactivity.
  2. Acetic protection group seems to be the easiest way to create 14-hydroxy on the morphinan groups. It has the most yield if not starting from thebaine. The next best thing would be an annoying Cobalt (III) salt which I never knew existed. It seems like this unstable salt can be used as a catalyst for codeinone > hydroxycodeinone. But it's really annoying to make.
With no protection, the yield is an atrocious 20%. With the protection, you can get the yield up to 80%.
3. Almost all side reaction waste products are water soluble after basifying. Unless you're unlucky, there is little requirement for columns during these reactions.
4. You cannot avoid hydrogenation if making oxy from cod.

In summary, unless you want to follow the method step by step on the erwoid page that summarises Codeine > Oxycodone, you won't produce nearly the same results with the available chemicals.
With no protection, you could easily achieve a 20% yield of oxycodone from codeine.

He's also currently working on a more efficient method to oxidise codeine to codeinone (hopefully using bleach and vinegar), a more efficient method to hydrogenate, as well as a better peroxy-acid to put the 14-hydroxy group on.

Pic related. Artefacts. We need those 1900 German artefacts that tell us how to morphine.
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Cornelius Buzzbanks - Sun, 21 Feb 2016 17:34:34 EST ID:p0QLwGpF No.77684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77676
It's possible that the reaction creates oripavine. Which has to be extracted to purify the hydromorphone
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Cornelius Buzzbanks - Sun, 21 Feb 2016 17:53:58 EST ID:p0QLwGpF No.77685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bombastus have you tried that the noble metal catalyst synthesis of hydromorphone?
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Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw!!7zlcjO/U - Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:44:30 EST ID:sqhxA+9X No.77686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77685
Yes and it turned me gay. Successful I'd say might do it again one day.
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Ian Begglestone - Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:47:37 EST ID:VuOwbgQK No.77687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77686
Ok if your really gay then where did you hide your gay gold?
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Henry Pombleson - Tue, 23 Feb 2016 14:20:24 EST ID:uPn+UTf4 No.77689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77686
How did u purify that shit from the rest of the chemicals lmao


VM&P Naphtha by Molly Bannerlock - Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:15:21 EST ID:u4vCvpNb No.77376 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What exactly is VM&P Naphtha? You most likely know it's used for the extraction of DMT, but it's not really accessible if you don't live in America.
Some guides say you can use basic paint thinner. Is that true?
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Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Mon, 15 Feb 2016 16:40:26 EST ID:PPkNLWzw No.77661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77657

> secondary school

Are you Irish, fam?
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Charles Bardforth - Sun, 21 Feb 2016 07:17:05 EST ID:TtNn9wfR No.77681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77661
Dutch.

I used to write down middleschool (that's what all secondary education is called in the Netherlands - Middelbare School) but I was tired of getting banned for being socalled "underage".

Since Dutch "middleschool" can be 6 years long (if you take the "A only class" courses) , and I had to redo a year once, I was able to legally browse 420chan during the last two years of "middleschool".
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Ebenezer Sunderwill - Sun, 21 Feb 2016 13:48:38 EST ID:cKZnkWSj No.77682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77681
Those Dutch Madrasas can't possibly be any good at teaching science, I thought that all European schools tought was pansy social awareness crap?
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Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw!!7zlcjO/U - Sun, 21 Feb 2016 15:57:33 EST ID:Ko/zFYye No.77683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hahaha I huff paint thinner
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Phyllis Moblingbodging - Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:01:20 EST ID:TtNn9wfR No.77702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77682
Go fucking kill yourself you fucking the future cocksucker.


New, Novel, Potent Opioids by Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw!!7zlcjO/U - Thu, 04 Feb 2016 17:39:55 EST ID:ElYFdcKO No.77619 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Thants (our br/opi/ in Canada) has recently nodded off W-18, which is a totally novel opioids that hasn't seen street time. So /chem/ might as well talk about it.

The current method of synthesis is outlined in patent no. US4468403
>A mixture of 1-phenylethylpiperdylidene-2-(4-chlorophenyl)sulfonamide (1.17 g, 3.11 mmol) W-15, 90% fuming nitric acid (3.0 ml) and concentrated nitric acid (2.0 ml) were stirred vigorously for 4 hours at 25° C.
Preparation of 1-phenylethylpiperdylidene-2-(4-chlorophenyl)sulfonamide is not outlined, unfortunately. But it's pretty easy to figure it out as it's a straight chained molecule.

So uhh ya. W-18. Talk about it. It's legal everywhere except in Sweden right now. I guess that is a thing. It was discovered by Knaus back in the 80s who was a pretty sick guy who liked opioids. He's had a lot of work doing shit like that. Here's some condensed reading:
http://chemistry.mdma.ch/synthforum/about635.html

W-18 is the 18th item on his patent list: http://www.google.com/patents/US4468403
It includes up to 35 different, unscheduled, and very potent, novel opioids that do not rely on the morphinan group. Check em.
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Fanny Bardham - Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:20:53 EST ID:DIZp74tV No.77648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77641
Thanks for the info on pipette tolerances. Someone doing careful weighing and serial dilution might be interested in a microliter syringe also.
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Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw!!7zlcjO/U - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:21:18 EST ID:vbS8CtHn No.77660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77646
Ingested, yes. I would not recommend IVing anything that requires volumetric dosing (serial dilution). From what I hear on /opi/, fentanyl and all their analogues as well as other super potent opioids do not have an appreciable nod.
Their oral BAs are all high enough as they don't have metabolizable groups like the conventional morphinan opioids do.

I mean, if you really want to IV, you could just put the 100ml of final solution into a pressure cooker and sterilize it that way for injection every time. But the reality is that you still should not be injecting any random ass powder off the internet.
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Emma Turveyford - Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:52:53 EST ID:p0QLwGpF No.77669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hi bombastus sorry to bother but did your oxycodone synthesis tek work?
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Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw!!7zlcjO/U - Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:03:46 EST ID:4ppVjZXo No.77672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77669
a few friends of mine and me got together a few years ago and made something like 5g and split it evenly. That was a sweet adventure.
That binge and subsequent withdrawals made them almost all give up opioids after that. Which tk did you talk about?
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Lydia Picklock - Thu, 07 Apr 2016 17:59:34 EST ID:IsDQAl0D No.77814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77619


okay well i have experience with butyrfent. all i have to say is be prepared to poke yourself full of holes if IVing. the highs are so cracky that they will have you compulsively redosing every few hours, effectively turning you into a pin cushion until you flush the sheet.


And that person was me by Henry Bleshdock - Thu, 18 Feb 2016 20:25:38 EST ID:RC13Ktoh No.77668 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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High school chemistry class, we were working on a lab where we had to make little squares on a piece of plastic to perform tests in, and the squares had to have 2 cm long sides.

This kid at my lab table, who had already proven to be not so bright in class many times beforehand, got our teacher's attention, then asked what a centimeter was.

After the teacher thoroughly explained what a centimeter is, and where exactly to find them on the ruler in front of him, the student turned to us and said:

"I'm still not understanding this centimeter thing."


Water Bottle Plastic Heat Danger? by Hedda Drongernon - Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:31:21 EST ID:RLSN+6eM No.77663 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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You know when you leave a plastic water bottle in your car and it gets hot for hours and then when you drink it you can taste plastic?
So where is that plastic taste coming from? And if it does mean that there's plastic chems, then how dangerous is it?
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Hedda Drongernon - Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:47:54 EST ID:RLSN+6eM No.77665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77664
And how much of this post is satire?
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Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw!!7zlcjO/U - Thu, 18 Feb 2016 01:51:05 EST ID:wvu8YcUF No.77666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77665
>wat post
question answered
>mfw
see OP's photo
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Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw!!7zlcjO/U - Thu, 18 Feb 2016 01:55:23 EST ID:wvu8YcUF No.77667 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77663
Polyethylene terephthalate can break down to form Bisphenol.
That's probably the taste and can fuck with your hormone system. Don't drink the water if the water bottle has touched hot water, just a generally bad idea.

It's not super toxic. But don't do it.


Considering grad school by Cornelius Wosslestack - Sat, 29 Aug 2015 02:41:37 EST ID:A/ZPVECK No.77050 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I'm considering getting a master's in chem. I have always enjoyed chemistry, but I majored in liberal arts. That being said I recall a fair amount about it from taking AP chem in high school.

In any case, I'd mainly like to focus on materials science because I have some experience with machining and fabrication. I'm also thinking I'd end up in education, because I like teaching and that seems like a solid way to go in terms of job security and salary.

Really I'm just looking for advice here. I love chemistry, but I'm pretty damn rusty and I have no real college experience - AP chem in high school is generally a lot easier than an actual college course.

First steps? Things to consider when looking at programs? Any and all tips or advice would be appreciated.
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Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:51:54 EST ID:9sH3Ao2e No.77091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77090

I'm an undergrad Biochem student in southern Ireland. We have two main pharmaceutical hubs here, one in Dublin and one in Cork. The pay is slightly higher in general in Cork. Employment is plentiful as there are many different companies and they are frequently hiring (in fact, something like 20% of the lab technicians at a Pfizer lab I interned at didn't even have a B,sc. Although most of these people are dinosaurs who started working before hiring was standardized).

As a lab technician, you are looking at 30 - 35k starting, which is 40k dollars. If you manage to get a full QC position (helpful if you have your degree in or are spec'd in analytical chemistry) you could see that pushing 40k euro, though the work is quite banal and repetitive. Other facilities do biotech rather than organic synthesis and these would be a bit more stimulating. These places are harder to get hired in though, it's the Pharm-Org-Analytical jobs that are plentiful. If you are good there is also plenty of room for upward mobility in QC/QA labs.

By the way, why are you getting a master's instead of a Ph,D? Most research fellowships (these often pay quite nicely) require Ph,D minimum, and it's also what you need to get a job in basic research in industry.

As I was saying, the market is very comfy here, but work experience is kind of important - most of our colleges here do placements to pad CVs. If you want to work/live in Ireland, it is possible to get dual-citizenship if you have Irish ancestry and are an American citizen.

Personally I am doing this course as a pre-med to become eligible for graduate entry to Medicine, but it is very reassuring to know I can always fall back to industry if my aspirations in Medicine or Research don't work out.
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Edward Pecklewill - Tue, 01 Sep 2015 22:26:08 EST ID:uGD5aNS6 No.77102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77091
>If you want to work/live in Ireland, it is possible to get dual-citizenship if you have Irish ancestry and are an American citizen.
Huh. Do you know anything about Ireland's biomedical research? I wanted to do a post doc abroad, was considering centeral Europe/Germany if I can find a position. Never really considered Ireland, even though by ancestery I am primarily Irish.
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Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Wed, 02 Sep 2015 13:05:09 EST ID:ILVV3idO No.77105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>77102

Ireland has a strong history of medical and pharmaceutical research, particularly in oncology. It mostly centers around the main national universities.

http://www.ucd.ie/research/health/
https://www.ucc.ie/en/research/overview/
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David Honeybury - Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:40:45 EST ID:dkMoIz4p No.77130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>77050
I mean you could take some more classes. College chemistry is nothing like high school though. Basically you've taken at most two semesters of college chemistry. You'll basically have another degree.
I think to be a high school/ junior high teacher you could get by with maybe about gen chem (2) + o chem (2) + p chem (1-2) + inorganic + quantitative analysis + math + physics (2). This is only the minimum possible requirements of course (I'm sure most colleges will require much more). So, not to dissuade you but, there would be quite a few classes that you would need to take first even for a bachelors degree. On the plus side, you'll have all of you're generally classes covered.

As far as master programs go, you're adviser will end up mattering a lot more than the college will. Choosing a good adviser who is well known in the field and is easy to get along is what you're looking for.

Anyway, worth pointing out that chemical engineers have good job prospects and will probably end up taking quite a few of the same courses.
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A Wizard - Wed, 09 Sep 2015 01:41:46 EST ID:eg2eHljf No.77133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77130

What? That's not how you pick your master. You find a complete asshole who knows his shit and hates his students, and you make that motherfucker laugh every damned moment you get the chance, except the times he's trying to focus.

The reward is that he teaches you, at the expense of the annoying dipshits you compete with. He'll probably even show you things he shouldn't too, just in hopes you use it.


The biological singularity by Sophie Piblingforth - Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:54:08 EST ID:3xOkFk4I No.77623 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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the technological singularity is discussed and well known enough but wouldent the same assumptions more obviously lead to a biological one (assuming we are around after the former). the tech one is basically the unknown after we create a computer that can create a better computer than we can. however a computer (unless we specifically design it to) is not necessarily interested in procreation or its own survival. a biologically altered human though would probably still have those drives in tact (unless we remove it). not that an AI cant value itself and wish to spread or a modified human couldent do the opposite its just that its less likely. both are likely to be started by us but probably completely with very different motives. a biological organism -such as ourselves- is designed by evolution to spread and we may consciously remove that whereas an AI could develop it but it isnt an integral part of its original form. we are moving to a point where we can program genes almost as easily as we code an AI thus the exponential improvement in ability is just as feasible biologically as digitally. consciousness dosent automatically lead to a desire to continue; the childless humans (and more so the suicidal) have evidence to share on this. why should an intelligence, without an inbuilt need for survival and legacy, necessarily adopt both?
fundamentally wed be in the same boat as with machines in hoping they dont turn against their creators but in practice we are more likely to empower and pass on our need to continue to the latter. hell, we might even be cheering it on; it would be much easier for us to embrace designer babies than really advanced software.

tl;dr: we will soon be able to make computers that can make better computers than us. after a slight time lag we will be able to create humans that cant create better humans than us. the former will have the advantage of being earlier but the latter is more likely to be inherently interested in advantage and promoting the same.
not that its even automatically a bad thing since our creations will exceed us (by definition in this case) and will be able to do more than us. they probably wont automatically (see what i did there?) feel a need to turn on us and …
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Hugh Battinggold - Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:38:47 EST ID:FHFwCltH No.77636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
bump for interesting post
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David Blapperridge - Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:44:59 EST ID:cIUKn2oY No.77649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The danger of malicious AI doesn't lie in the Matrix type robot rebellion tho. It's more about whether AIs will fully understand the implications of their actions in the same ways we do. Unless you simulate a human brain, AI won't ever be human. It will be something else entirely.

For example, lets say we program an AI to protect and take care of us. The AI's prime directive is to keep humans safe, so true to it's programming it traps all us in a never ending stasis. It has our best interests at heart, yet it effectively ended humanity. Or you make an AI to perfect some product, and it decides to use the entire planet for computational substrate in order to do so.

Kind of a cop-out, but you get the point right?
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Sidney Fanworth - Fri, 12 Feb 2016 03:53:13 EST ID:X6HIP3d/ No.77650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77649
No. In fact I think you are intentionally shilling misinformation
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Nigger Mucklepune - Sat, 13 Feb 2016 06:26:29 EST ID:+DZfgoAX No.77656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>77649
That's essentially the premise of the grey goo scenario which was dreamed up by Prince Charles. It's plausible but you'd have to fuck some shit up badly to have it happen. Bear in mind that for it to occur you have to have that sort of tech in the hands of fuckwits, and if fuckwits can get it, then there's more powerful technology in the hands of other people who are more competent and aware of the dangers.

I get your point but you're talking about design faults. People will test and experiment and build failsafes on anything that's high risk enough and only roll out something that can end life as we know it if they already have a way to stop it.

Anyway I think that it's also quite possible we'll merge with the machines. Superhuman humans will just be a stopgap or an option for people unwilling to become a sentient nanobot swam or join the network.


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