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How much Sodium Carbonate -> basify by breakabond !!D0XjIgKF - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:17:05 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.78484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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How much sodium carbonate would convert 1 molecule of Heroin HCl, or wait, would it be Acetate, yeah.
How much sodium carbonate 1 molecule Heroin acetate -> Heroin base.
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 02:36:00 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh god this is molar math all over again. Don't make me do this shit.
Eliza Deckleville - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:40:00 EST ID:mtR9OsDm No.78487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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drop the fuckin na2co3 on that heronz till you damn sure youve put 10 times the molar excess
Isabella Sundlelock - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:29:41 EST ID:01P1ms0Q No.78488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I gotchu muh nigga.

One molecule of sodium carbonate will convert two molecules of heroin HCl to produce freebase diamorphine, sodium chloride, water, and carbon dioxide. So two molecules of heroin will require 1.7600206 x 10^-22g of sodium carbonate to turn into freebase.

0.0000000000000000000017600206g of sodium carbonate is required to convert 0.00000000000000000000012268682g of heroin hcl to freebase.
Isabella Sundlelock - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:33:42 EST ID:01P1ms0Q No.78489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wait. I missed a zero. That should be:

0.00000000000000000000017600206g of sodium carbonate and 0.00000000000000000000012268682g of heroin hcl
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:40:27 EST ID:zeL9OPde No.78490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thanks fam
come work for me in my lab.
Doris Clillyhid - Sun, 22 Jan 2017 02:27:42 EST ID:VjvGmScF No.78491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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But like Eliza said, I have to dump much more than required to get the pH pretty high to convert all of it, is that right?

Also, can I just evaporate the whole thing after that? What will be left with the dry heroin residue?
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sun, 22 Jan 2017 22:58:14 EST ID:PDJcyE5n No.78493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no that's not right. something stupid like 5g of sodium carbonate will like dissolve and attack the h molecules to freebase them.

HOWVER, base facilitated deproreweaction of a combound is very well known so you should be careful since the sodium carbonate will convert it first to freebase diamorphine and then after 15-30 minutes, it will deprotect the two aceteates and you'll be left with only morphine instead of diamorphine.

this is actually a very common reaction in organiiscnic chemistry where deproection of acetate groups saare carried out by a base.

so calcoium cabonate + diamorphine = pure morphine. if you boil it, the diamorphine will turn to morphine in like 5 minutes.
Oliver Fanforth - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:21:46 EST ID:LObRvGV/ No.78495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oliver Fanforth - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:22:27 EST ID:LObRvGV/ No.78496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh deprotofication? Is that the word?
Been 2 years since chem 2, still got it!
Oliver Fanforth - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:24:46 EST ID:LObRvGV/ No.78497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Okay so the solution to avoiding the accidental morphine production then is to perhaps use a weaker base (is ammonia weaker? maybe just baking soda) and quickly extract it afterwards?
Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:34:48 EST ID:Req4jw5M No.78498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Deprotection. Sorry, I was /benz/ed as shit when I decided to legitpost on a few boards. I mean, the information is still good.
Fuck I should teach more when I'm benzed no i really shouldn't

No. You use as little water as possible with an ice bath and then do a vacuum filtration when the freebase precipitates. I don't see why an extraction after freebasing wouldn't work. However, I don't really work with that stuff as much and have no idea if it acts like morphine chemically (it shouldn't due to no active OH groups). Alternatively, You could do the boil down and then acetylate the morphine back into diamorphine.

I'm too chemical, though. I would look up conversion between #3 and #4 or whatever on the internet. Homebaking is much easier than what I would do.
breakabond - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 01:18:50 EST ID:LObRvGV/ No.78522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So I used sodium carbonate super-saturated (pH was ~10-11) then added some heroin salt -> tried using hexane to extract it -> evaporated.
Evaporating is always the worst step for me, because unless you're doing a massive batch, you end up with such a small amount of freebase residue, so for max efficiency I try to evaporate directly onto foil, which means I try to make a wide dish out of foil, which often ends up breaking and leaking all over my desk, BUT when it does work Im able to vape right off that foil. The alternative would be to put it solid container, but there's ALWAYS some waste when you try to scrape it all up.

So did it get me high? barely. Not enough. Wasteful.

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