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Dead horse beating contest! by Nicholas Bevingstone - Mon, 22 May 2017 12:34:48 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144726 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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LEDs vs HPS/MH lights! Which is better!?!

No, seriously, not to beat a dead horse, but I have been seeing some evidence that LEDs can now compete with traditional hot lights, in SOME WAYS when it comes to growing weed. Personally, I use a mix of cheap LEDs and MH in my veg area. The MH is a cheap 250W non-switchable ballast in hood rig that I got for free so...you know...why not? But, the LEDs do seem to work decently.

What are you guys using and what are your observations?

I am looking just for REPORTS, not an argument. Everyone has a different experience and genetics and all sorts.

Just want some data. Anecdotal as it is.

Pic unrelated - Only picture of a light I had in my folder. CFLs suck IMHO.
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Eliza Nickleman - Tue, 23 May 2017 06:08:08 EST ID:59utW5Vn No.144736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean when you take the cost of cfls and needing them on 2 different spectrums it seems like the hid lights are just cheaper. Also warm your house in the winter it's cool.
Angus Packlechure - Tue, 23 May 2017 15:11:32 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah. On small scales, I think the HIDs have more going for them. Although my problem now is getting rid of the heat. Probably have to get a bigger hood with 6" ducts instead of 4". In the winter, I could go without any fans on the hood at all.

This is a ridiculously long video, but at around the 50 minute mark, they start talking about yield...LED vs HPS...as well as the complexities of cooling and moving all that heat around.

This video has some really good comparisons as they grew clones on HPS and LED at the same time. Some strains may be more LED friendly than others...Anyway, this video is worth watching. The guy he talks to....Horatio, seems to have a good grasp on things.
Ian Fullyshaw - Sun, 28 May 2017 07:57:03 EST ID:+feR4wOL No.144760 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People think they need less ventilation with LED panels vs HID lights are delusional as fuck.
You need a certain amount of ventilation for every watt of electricity consumed and there it makes jack shit of a difference which kind of light is being used.
Simple thermodynamics 101 -- energy in equals energy out.

Yeah if you put a thermometer directly below a HID it will show a higher reading because of additional infrared coming from the bulb. So maybe temps will be lower at the top of the plants, but certainly not overall.
What you care about is the air temperature anyway because that is what affects air humidity and if you need lower temps no LED beats a cooltube/vented hood HID system.
Esther Dartdock - Sun, 28 May 2017 14:31:10 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Aren't LEDs more efficient though at turning those watts into usable energy and less heat?

I mean, the 1 watt in-1 watt out makes sense in terms of heat energy, but if LEDs are being more efficient, they will put out less heat and more light. I know that this is why LEDs are better than tungsten. Tungsten bulbs produce something like 80% heat per watt delivered. Not useful.
Ian Fullyshaw - Sun, 28 May 2017 16:40:24 EST ID:+feR4wOL No.144766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Depends, at least a decent one does. But the difference is marginal. If you find a LED panel that is 20%, above a hps you are already pretty high end.
say 50% instead of 40% plug-to-photon
However almost all of that light ends up as heat again one way or the other. Besides the light not absorbed by the plants (which gets transformed into heat directly) only the part that is used to either a) evaporate water or b) is stored in form of chemical energy (building plant matter) isn't converted.
Organisms aren't that efficient at doing that....

Evaporated water probably plays the largest factor but that is depending on infrared and temperature too.

Once LEDs become so efficient that you don't have to cool them you might come back and do some experiments about that.

That said, don't buy the mangenta colored light chinesium led panels.

Warm white COBs are more efficient, don't give you issues like bleaching from a poor spectrum and cost about the same watt-for-watt if you can figure out a way to cool them.

Captain's Log by Caroline Siffingfuck - Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:40:19 EST ID:lE51QiPd No.144030 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Well, after a week, and after getting some advice from here, I finally have some rooted clones of my bagseed mother - I call her Patty The Daytime Hooker.

Anywho, I transferred two clones to my DWC buckets filled with expanded clay pebbles. Under a 300W LED right now. My flowering tent has the 1000W HPS/MH system in it, and it won't be free for vegging for probably the next two to three weeks.

This is my first time using a DWC, so I want to see if these guys can make it.

Pic is Patty's First Kid.
Day 1 of grow
Day 1 of veg
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Martin Hammlestock - Thu, 25 May 2017 01:05:36 EST ID:QI1rXhZY No.144746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would say that in hydro you would actually be better off dumping the water and using 1/4 strength nute solution. Brown spots can indicate a lot. Guessing by stage you might look into Phosphorus def. or maybe a Cal mag.
Graham Greenlock - Thu, 25 May 2017 20:55:00 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sent some pics around to some OG growers out there. Looks like Cal mag isn't getting to the plant.

Tonight, after the flush, I restarted with pretty much a "seedling" mix of 1:1:1:1. The only thing at full strength was the Cal-Magic. I tsp per gallon of everything in a gallon and topped off on PK2. PK2 has had nothing but plain water for 4 days.

I haven't dumped PK1, because she seems to be doing better. I am not dumping the water, but she was flushed as well, and the nutes are probably fairly weak by now. Again, she will start at 1:1:1:1. With the Cal-Magic as the only thing going "full strength."
Esther Dartdock - Sat, 27 May 2017 23:33:15 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
UPDATE - Crisis averted? Not 100% sure, but it looks like the nute issue has passed. Today I did 1/4 recommended bloom nutes in both plants.

Buds are starting to swell on both PK1 and PK2. Starting to get the first bit of resin production. For some reason they don't seem to be smelling much right now. A light citrus smell is what I am getting. Hopefully it will pick up.

I have a nice clone on deck all ready to go into flower. I may take a chance and see if I can squeeze another bucket in. If my estimates are correct, they might actually end up being ready to harvest fairly close to each other.
Clara Smallbury - Sun, 28 May 2017 02:19:28 EST ID:QI1rXhZY No.144757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good to hear! Hopefully they come back and do much better. I believe that with hydro your solution doesn't have to be too high ppm. Cal-Mag at bottle dosage should never really be an issue. Silica may also be beneficial, I've heard.

Regarding smell, it is said that hydro can produce more thc potent weed, but suffers in the aroma/terps/etc. It can make a comeback after curing, but I don't think you can ever truly recreate soil products in hydro. Growing in coco coir/perlite is a good start if you're looking into growing in pots.
Esther Dartdock - Sun, 28 May 2017 14:35:39 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've been playing with the idea of a coco grow soon. Also, interested in maybe an outdoor hydro grow, although weather proofing shit will be hard and the pot will have to be buried a bit.

This has made me careful though. I have a nice hashy sativa strain I get nice results from, and is just finishing veg stage. So, since I have some time between veg and flower (hopefully only about 5 weeks left....) I am looking at doing a flush...then slowly building up to full flower nutes. After all, I have the time. But, that flush and the cal-mag and some of that extra care will get me where I need to be.

sex help by Phyllis Buncocke - Fri, 26 May 2017 06:23:12 EST ID:EpJa2ib9 No.144751 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys, how long into flowering cycle will an indoor plant show clear sex?
I'm a first time grower, started flower cycle two weeks ago, after 4 weeks of veg, but I still can't clearly identify sex.

Also, how long into flowering before harvest at this rate?
pic related, 6 week old plants
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Reuben Fickleworth - Fri, 26 May 2017 21:02:33 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How dark is your flowering area when the lights are off?
Clara Smallbury - Sun, 28 May 2017 02:22:35 EST ID:QI1rXhZY No.144758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That pointy thing just to the left of the main stem. At it's base. Can you see that little white hair? Yeah... i think your plant is a bitch. Watch the other ones for hairs. If they are round and grape shaped instead of bud/pointy then she may also have boy parts
Esther Gibblefuck - Sun, 28 May 2017 09:54:58 EST ID:Y0Xk95Zt No.144761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
completely dark, the curtains block all sunlight and the door is shut.
Esther Gibblefuck - Sun, 28 May 2017 09:57:20 EST ID:Y0Xk95Zt No.144762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, someone said it looks like my plants are stretching.
I use a 135 watt LED light that I adjust every week to 45 cm above, as per manufacturer guidelines. The desk lamps have 23 watt cfls.

Should I maybe not adjust the height of the LED anymore? I'm just scared of burning them.
Esther Dartdock - Sun, 28 May 2017 14:28:36 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would trade the curtains for foil or mylar against the window. If it has been this long and you are barely showing, you most likely have light leaks.

How the fuvk fuck do guerrila grow by Isabella Puckleneck - Sun, 28 May 2017 05:14:34 EST ID:59utW5Vn No.144759 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I got everything ready but I'm worried as fuck. It's time for my to plant my shit and I have no clue what to do. I live in a small town in a rural area with no car and I have some train tracks here and a trail behind some private property for a water treatment center with a stream leading down it.

The train tracks have a ton of open fields around them with moderate movement around them but I'm really worried they will get big and stick out like crazy. I've seen a Fran fields where everything's just overgrowth and that looks okay but I don't think they go too deep without running into woods

Tobacco flowers edible or poisonous? by Jenny Sundernut - Sat, 27 May 2017 01:21:47 EST ID:q4GEWqkk No.144754 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I noticed how great my tobacco flowers smelled and wondered if they would taste good or make a good spice.
Reuben Fickleworth - Sat, 27 May 2017 11:03:12 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Never heard of anyone smoking this "toe-back-oh," you speak of.

Plant outside by Eliza Nickleman - Tue, 23 May 2017 06:06:29 EST ID:59utW5Vn No.144735 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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When should I put my plants out right now? It just got done beingcold up here in the northeast and the weather is still going down to 51 and 53 but it looks like the lows are staying around 55 now but the forecast is rainy as fuck. Do it now or wait? I might just them under lights and in windows while they are small and get them ready.
Archie Cangerpudge - Tue, 23 May 2017 15:22:32 EST ID:zb6o9T5u No.144738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the question you need to ask yourself is are you getting more than 14 hours of sunlight. less than that and you run the risk of having the plant try to flower, if its rainy and cloudy that risk is slightly higher. temperature is important but so long as it stays above freezing your fine. also you never put seedlings outside the chance of a seedling making it vs a 2-4 week old plant is astronomical. They get eatin, swamped by rain, knocked over by wind all manner of bullshit you dont want
Angus Packlechure - Tue, 23 May 2017 15:26:44 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
First question -

How big are they?

Second question -

How sunny/warm is the spot you picked?

Third Question -

Have you hardened them off yet to outside conditions?
Angus Packlechure - Tue, 23 May 2017 17:12:32 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We are past the Equinox. Should have no problem with light.
Martha Shakeworth - Wed, 24 May 2017 22:36:21 EST ID:59utW5Vn No.144745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I haven't started yet it literally just stopped snowing like 2 weeks ago and it's been going under 50 degrees every night and now the weather is finally staying above 55 but it's raining like fuck and that's what fucked my plants last year they got such a slow start because it never stopped raining. I'm just gonna start them and keep them under some weak lights and slowly get them used to outside
Graham Greenlock - Thu, 25 May 2017 20:50:41 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144749 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Cactus Question by Ian Gibberwill - Thu, 25 May 2017 07:10:36 EST ID:Yx3jGsRK No.144747 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just bought a san pedro cutting and im wondering if I need to cut away the bottom part for it to make new roots? As you can see in the picture its dried but it looks like its broken off not cut off, if that matters.
Eliza Crirrylane - Thu, 25 May 2017 15:31:40 EST ID:tRQ6mWAV No.144748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Looks like it rotted a bit before drying out
make a new cut and let it dry

Big pot grow by Charlotte Trotfield - Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:33:04 EST ID:aWb7Y/oB No.144374 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Growing Cookies Kush by Barney's Farm, figured I'd do a log this time.

Using just over 50L of canna terra soil, mars hydro 600w LED (~240w actual draw) and foxfarm trio nutrients.

Until recently I'd been growing 2 small plants in a smaller tent, but this time I decided I prefer one big plant. Goal is to use large pot size and longer veg time to get some huge yields.

Pic posted is 25 days from seed. Will be topping and using LST. Any advice / questions welcomed.
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Hamilton Fackleway - Mon, 22 May 2017 14:58:35 EST ID:aWb7Y/oB No.144728 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Update, gave it some extra nitrogen on a feed and it perked up a fair bit, seems to be a nitrogen deficiency, which is odd considering I noticed some tips curling last week showing there was too much nitrogen.

Also getting sick of soil, but all of the pre assembled DWC systems have comments about the air stones being too weak and pipes leaking and such, which single plant system is ready to go out of the box with no extra parts needed? Price doesn't bother me I just want quality equipment with no DIY, something that seems to be hard to come across with DWC.
Nicholas Bevingstone - Mon, 22 May 2017 18:35:30 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not sure what to tell you...

I mean, yeah weak pumps and stuff are a problem. Never had a leak yet, but I also bought a 10 pack of 1/2 elbows on Amazon so I can replace anything that snaps, since, yeah, they can snap.

What you should do, if you can, is see if a local grow shop sells the buckets and shit pre-drilled. I have one in my area that does. You can buy the bucket with a basket all fixed and ready to go. Then, buy the pump you want and the airstones you want.

I know it is still DIY....but it is basic DIY. Literally just putting hoses on things.
Molly Smallshaw - Mon, 22 May 2017 18:58:36 EST ID:pbIemdxD No.144732 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Fuck Surringsock - Wed, 24 May 2017 09:41:47 EST ID:VIom4Jxy No.144743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dayum, looks like a nasty case of overwatering.
Drooping rarely comes from anything else.
With a 50L pot, I wouldn't be surprised.
I'd guess that you're experiencing the effects of not putting in enough aeration material.
The sudden perk-up probably came from the air that was pushed into the roots as you watered.
Start using the lifting method to see when the pot is actually dry.
No fingering the soil, that's just unreliable.

And lay off the nitrogen at this point.
Won't do any good for a budding plant.
I've seen countless fuck-ups of over fertilizing in veg and then flipping to flower while there's leaf shedding going on.
Then it usually spreads like wildfire and growers think it's a deficiency.

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Hannah Nondermock - Wed, 24 May 2017 15:46:44 EST ID:aWb7Y/oB No.144744 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Everything is under control now, leaves are all standing. Aeration shouldn't be an issue, the soil came pre mixed with perlite.

Buds are growing visible amounts per day, really hoping it finishes before the works going on require access to the grow area. Might end up having to cut early which fucking sucks because I wanted to still be vegging at this point.

first time growing - Improvement and tips by Southernbro - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 20:35:47 EST ID:HCWdV8vO No.144126 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey, this is my indoor system and I would like to know what else I could put in it. It is a 60x60x170 tent, 250 watts sodium, lights 20/4. They "big" one is an unknown automatic seed that was given to me, the other four are random buddha automatics. Big one has a 10 liter pot and the other ones are 7 liters, which I will change to 11 liters ones. Soil is ATAMI. I'm currently using mineral fertilizers for flowering in the big one and growing in the rest.
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Jarvis Songerfire - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 14:31:19 EST ID:lE51QiPd No.144472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nice swelling on the buds. You checking your trichomes?
Southernbro - Sat, 06 May 2017 14:51:11 EST ID:N04DeL0S No.144684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey, I've returned. I already harvested two of the five plants I once had. First one was this purple one >>144471 but I barely got 8 grams from it. Now, I've come to ask how much longer will it take for this one to be ready. I'm using a lot of fertilizers so I want to start using only fresh water to clean the roots at least one week before harvesting. What would you say?
Southernbro - Sat, 06 May 2017 14:52:44 EST ID:N04DeL0S No.144685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Southernbro - Sat, 06 May 2017 14:54:10 EST ID:N04DeL0S No.144686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I did some heavy lollipopping in this one, but it looks like it is working out well.
Rebecca Turveybury - Wed, 24 May 2017 04:50:12 EST ID:JuASqyXD No.144742 Ignore Report Quick Reply

when you have white hairs you don't want water on the plant itself because that can help the mold grow try and keep the leafs dry next time

also too many nutrients is what caused the seed pods to not develop and turn into leafs instead........
>>144228 or that fox tailing could be caused by heat from the light.

It starts by John Gandercheg - Fri, 21 Aug 2015 23:48:38 EST ID:djYsvRob No.140610 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Came home from work and my new seedling has sprouted!

Strain is Dinafem's Blue Cheese. According to Dinafem, flowering time for Blue Cheese is 50 days, and should begin before the plant reaches 15 inches.

Grow medium is Fox Farm's Ocean Forest mixed 50/50 with perlite in a 4-gallon grow pot. Nutes are Fox Farms trio, Grow Big, Big Bloom, and Tiger Bloom. From what I understand, Ocean Forest is nutrient-rich enough that adding nutes isn't necessary until flowering begins.

I'll be vegging her under a 2 ft T5 with two 24-watt bulbs, and three 42 watt CFLs. At the moment only the T5 and one of the CFLs is on, the other two will come on once she gets a little bigger. For flower, I'll be using a 300 watt Mars Hydro LED. The LED arrived earlier today, never used one before. Despite being pretty cheap, construction is solid and all the lights work properly. There's no on/off switch, which I don't like, but it shouldn't be an issue.

I don't know whether I'll be scrogging this plant or mainlining.
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Albert Dartworth - Sun, 07 May 2017 01:32:14 EST ID:xZootoh3 No.144687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Harvest day for BC#7. Bottom scrundle to be quick dried, the rest the old fashioned way in the drying box.

Training time for clones and seedlings.
James Dreffingfuck - Sun, 07 May 2017 11:26:51 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I almost SMELLED the terps in this pic. Man, I envy you. That smell at harvest when everything is peaking is amazing.Looking good.
Cyril Snodhall - Sun, 14 May 2017 05:55:34 EST ID:xZootoh3 No.144706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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SC#4 harvested. NL#4 almost ready. Pic on far right is best I've ever taken. The light hit those trichs just right

Thanks holmes. Late flower is the best time for smells, to breathe in the sharpest odors, it's loud, grassy, and skunky. It stinks of the different strains mixing together. It's out of this world.
Molly Clemmlebury - Sun, 14 May 2017 20:21:15 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hear ya.

It is especially delicious when it is your own grow too!

You weighing the final yield?
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NL#4 harvested. No time to waste. Added extension to grow area and transplanted all the veg plants into bigger pots. Still need to extend scrog net.

Negative, I did it once but my scale is really small so it's a pain. Might weigh this coming up harvest if I can get a bigger scale.

There is 1000 seeds to choose form by Samuel Hingerstock - Tue, 09 May 2017 13:37:45 EST ID:tRQ6mWAV No.144690 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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what is the best strain you ever grown ?
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Wesley Brookridge - Thu, 11 May 2017 05:32:32 EST ID:6vW5dDN5 No.144696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hungarian blues are the best i've found unless you're looking for thebaine content
Frederick Brookford - Sat, 13 May 2017 14:51:21 EST ID:m4BqNPEv No.144702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Williams Wonder
Martha Crigglestock - Sun, 14 May 2017 04:57:53 EST ID:UpIT+Lm/ No.144705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bodhi's Granola Funk or More Cowbell.
INTERPOL !3mB4iDBpWw - Sun, 14 May 2017 21:23:20 EST ID:uUnVQb2w No.144708 Report Quick Reply
Free Leonard

It was named after Leonard Peltier who killed 2 FBI agents on tribal land during a dispute. It was a cross between one of the original Neville pre 1988 G13 and a cancer patient who has since died, one of his male chocolopes. There were only a few hundred seeds of this originally, and I got 10 of them. I've never grown anything that had colas on them that were over 2 feet long and if you laid the plant out flat, from tip of one to the tip of another was nearly 6 feet in length.
Esther Pockville - Tue, 16 May 2017 15:20:17 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144713 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Picking seeds by Eugene Blonkinfield - Sun, 02 Apr 2017 04:57:22 EST ID:JdMjclHL No.144402 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What is the least work
Pick them from fresh green buds or let them dry out ?
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Edwin Clobberkid - Sun, 09 Apr 2017 06:17:21 EST ID:6vW5dDN5 No.144483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
grow 1000 pounds this sumer
INTERPOL !3mB4iDBpWw - Mon, 10 Apr 2017 23:50:43 EST ID:Z5JAvHDD No.144509 Report Quick Reply

Sort out the small white and green ones, then stick those in a pill bottle in the fridge until you go to sprout them. They'll keep longer in cold storage and sometimes will sprout sooner if they think that winter has come and gone when you go to pull them out of the fridge.
Cornelius Pammlepire - Tue, 02 May 2017 12:34:09 EST ID:tRQ6mWAV No.144669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tested a few
you might be interested in the results
white and green 100% germination

it appears the size and shape is more important then color
Sidney Sabbleville - Thu, 04 May 2017 00:13:35 EST ID:xCjYWm+N No.144670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>it appears the size and shape is more important then color

That's what she said!
Frederick Brookford - Sat, 13 May 2017 14:52:26 EST ID:m4BqNPEv No.144703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wait till they are falling out of the plant. Then you'll know they're done.

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