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Reaction from overexposure to terpines when manicuring my weed crop? by Sidney Clunningtedge - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 05:36:11 EST ID:E6zNingp No.138758 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi guys, I'm busy harvesting my cannabis crop (southern hemi). It's 5 monster size plants, so i've been cutting for days and about 60 % of the way through all the material. The place smells strongly, and obviously my hands get sticky as hell. Yesterday I suddenly had a bit of flu symptoms: nausea, minor aches and stomach ache. My senses also became very sensitive, especially smell. Now I didn't smoke at all yesterday, so I was totally sober. It's possible I just picked up a virus somewhere, but I've been wondering if anyone knows about overexposure to the terpines and chemicals of the un-dried/cured plant. ie. am I breathing too many of these fumes in or am I getting sick from something else. Woke up feeling ok this morning, but scared that if I sit here cutting for 2 or 3 hours I'm gonna feel sick again. Thanks.
Martha Burrycocke - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 05:58:58 EST ID:xanOUZCn No.138759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My advice is to wear long sleeves, gloves, and a fat fucking nutsac. Stop bitching and cut your nugs down you pussy.
Oliver Shakehall - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 15:56:02 EST ID:ZFECm1sP No.138766 Ignore Report Quick Reply

OP could also take an anti-histimine like DPH to reduce the allergic reaction. If it's bad enough wear a shit-breather mask, gloves, long sleeves, and take anti-allergy meds. Also, OP just cut the fucker down and hang her up. Trim off all the leaves when she's dry. Typically I only get an allergic reaction from fresh plants, not dry.

i' trying to grow just one plant by Lydia Pongerham - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 05:50:13 EST ID:IUhIANg9 No.138745 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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i can't decide if i should use a closet or try to grow it outdoors.
i figured one outdoor plant on the edge or my property by woods covered by brush (but still get good sunlight) would be good but if i invest moer money into growing one beast mode plant in my closet i think that may be better but less yield.
i' m looking to start as a care giver and get my way up thier step by steps any links or advice for easy closet or outdoor grows that are legal for caregivers/mmj cardholders?
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Lydia Pongerham - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 06:39:37 EST ID:IUhIANg9 No.138747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i was thinking growing massive plants in 15-20 gal pots and mostly run it into oil.
is it worth it to use pearlite and run nutes and shit if it's outdoor
Lydia Pongerham - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:23:05 EST ID:IUhIANg9 No.138748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
also, the closet i can grow in is 6x3x8
Lydia Pongerham - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:24:06 EST ID:IUhIANg9 No.138749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it also has a entrance to the ventilated attic space so i can just vent into there
Jarvis Hengermodge - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 01:53:38 EST ID:S1IxBo2t No.138756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That space will fit 2 600w bulbs
Rebecca Depperfoot - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:54:21 EST ID:VR2sb2ne No.138765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't do that. Vent it outside, you will have heat and smell problems like no one's fucking business if you just vent it into the attic.

Mushroom Vendors by Cornelius Chonningfoot - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:01:04 EST ID:kPiPp5WC No.138751 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Could I get a couple reliable spore vendors? Just googling them and picking the first option that pops up makes me nervous.
William Smalllock - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:56:07 EST ID:ef4Z1Z/5 No.138752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Try a drug board created on a chan without a rule against sources.
Fanny Dudgepack - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 16:00:51 EST ID:HSwS2WiM No.138754 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Go check out shroomery.org. It's a forum for growing shrooms.
Phyllis Fazzlemock - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 18:59:05 EST ID:icobKYl7 No.138755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. There are plenty of sites that are reputable as fuck that actually have sponsors. All their sponsors are legit.

If you run into a spore vendor site with the initials S.S. (Their name is only two words) do NOT buy from them. They are SCAMMERS.

LST is god. by James Droggleshit - Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:13:13 EST ID:Wis4CF3z No.138447 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Low Stress Training.
I'm a fan for life.
49 days and a jungle bush
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Angus Gopperson - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:50:15 EST ID:NCSGJFoG No.138696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
50 days isn't a very long time, especially in a small grow box with low wattage light. I always wait for most of the (99%) stigmas to turn orange/red/brown and wither, this always takes at least 70 days.
Alice Blassledig - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:43:55 EST ID:XgV/9w5k No.138698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've been using this book as my main reference, its pretty choc-full of useful information and ranging from closet grows to full on basement grow ops.
Flowering time varies from seed to seed, but most commercial seeds will have a 55-65 day flowering period.
And the ones I have seem to be fitting within its time frame of reference.

The timing isn't what im wondering though, I'm asking is it okay to harvest the top of a plant thats ripe, and leave the smaller buds to grow and mature some more?
Archie Gallywater - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:45:48 EST ID:YGzNjtdm No.138699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes, very yes. I do this often when i harvest big plants with lot's of shaded undergrowth. In fact Im trying to wrap my head around harvesting this monster Critical plant i got right now.
Graham Punninglock - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 03:55:08 EST ID:qxTvheHj No.138744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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took this pic right before cutting them down

you're right thinking back it was give or take a quarter
Martha Burrycocke - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 03:18:12 EST ID:xanOUZCn No.138757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everyone should be growing like a commercial grower. nb this thread is aids

First time grow by Frederick Faddlecocke - Tue, 10 Mar 2015 21:48:24 EST ID:TEgXszRt No.138672 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey everyone first time here. I have my female under lights and it's begun flowering I was just wondering if you guys have any ideas on how I could maximise my yield as unfortunately this is the only survivor of my orginal 7. Also any advice on things to do better, cheers.
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Ernest Shittingworth - Sun, 15 Mar 2015 20:38:35 EST ID:Qzm8O8nC No.138735 Ignore Report Quick Reply

taking it outside or near a sunlight window might help more than anything
Edward Ginningkick - Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:26:58 EST ID:4UvsBNqN No.138736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That LED strip is a maximum of 10w/meter. With the luminosity equal to a 60w incandescent 1$ walmart bulb. Not 60w.

I know this because I do all sorts of custom LED grows. FWIW, each of the large square LED's in the attached pic are 50w. The camera can't focus on them they're so bright, and staring at them directly results in serious flash blindness and lasting pain.
Caroline Pankinsetch - Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:16:08 EST ID:8mAD6aGF No.138737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can you elaborate on these 50w leds? Suitable wavelengths for flowering? Wiring details? Thermal management? Potency/yield?
David Tillingwill - Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:04:11 EST ID:VN00DNFT No.138739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I also let the power company suck the ice cream stick out of my ass for profit but you shouldn't recomend that to a newb , you are what's wrong with american
Ian Seshteck - Thu, 19 Mar 2015 22:22:41 EST ID:Qzm8O8nC No.138743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
is that a cool white and a warm white led or are they just yellow green and blue specific wavelengths?

PF TEK First Time by Betsy Herringlock - Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:29:27 EST ID:2j0L8+GY No.138161 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Been wanting to do this a long time, and it's finally happening.
I ordered 4 10cc syringes. Ecuador, Golden Teacher, Penis Envy, and B+
Spent a few hours researching and it seems pretty simple actually. I have a few concerns though.
My roommate keeps the temp in here at about 68 F. Will that be okay or do I need to raise the temp a bit? I don't think I'll be able to mist and fan them 3-5 times a day since I have a job and I'm gone for around 6-10 hours a day. Is there a way to set something up to keep it at the right humidity without having to manually spray them throughout the day? Since it seems like I should be using a light as well, how far from the terrarium should I keep the light?
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Leprechronic !ypaJvP0mRQ - Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:22:14 EST ID:lFXK4B7W No.138731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Patience, man, patience. Those have a while to go. You will see the veil, and you will see it torn, on the underside of the cap. You can wait just before it breaks, or after; it really doesn't matter, just get it close to that timeframe. A few hours won't make much of a difference. You've got like another week or so, probably less. Don't get too caught up on a schedule, it won't work out for you. Just come into your grow room, and harvest when necessary. Visit twice or thrice daily. You're not going to ruin anything by being patient.
George Faddledire - Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:55:08 EST ID:2j0L8+GY No.138732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wow, they grew a ton last night. Um, so i'm just a little confused tho about being patient right now. At this point, aren't they only gaining weight but not potency? Is there any point to letting em grow further besides extra weight? Also i'm kind of scared to mist and fan as much now. Should I keep misting and fanning just like I was before they got this big?
Leprechronic !ypaJvP0mRQ - Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:55:22 EST ID:lFXK4B7W No.138733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Keep misting when needed, always keep fanning.

They're not as potent as they could be. Up until spore drop (which happens around the breaking of the veil), the cake pumps psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin into the fruiting body.

So yeah, be patient.
George Faddledire - Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:58:25 EST ID:2j0L8+GY No.138734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
okay, thanks a bunch leprechronic. Seriously, man you've been a huge help!
Edwin Clankinshaw - Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:29:01 EST ID:2+J5lI9y No.138738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Getting your cakes to pin is the tricky part.
patients is easier.
Just grow Untill veils of most of flush break.

Ready to begin? by George Dartdock - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:34:02 EST ID:hoDfY2u0 No.138648 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Are these cakes ready for birth? im a first timer and i wanna be sure. Also my friend was talking about the ''casing method''. can someone explain this or provide an infograph/link to it. any tips are appreciated too :) the strain is PC B+ btw
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Martha Nacklehotch - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:23:33 EST ID:1wJTampF No.138651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i know the board is slow i was just self bumping once. Dont be a jerk.
Leprechronic !ypaJvP0mRQ - Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:31:23 EST ID:lFXK4B7W No.138652 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still, no need to bump on this board, at all. I started a thread a month or two or ago, and it just recently came off the front page.

Anyways, they look ready. Give them a week after they fully colonize to consolidate, and become stronger.

Casing method is coating it in a layer of something that'll retain moisture, without really providing nutrients. The most common is vermiculite, but there are worm casting casings, coco coir casings, etc.
Faggy Smallgold - Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:49:03 EST ID:8L0/Q1Ww No.138653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I knew it was a slow board but I didn't know it was this slow sorry.
NeemGuy - Fri, 13 Mar 2015 20:31:17 EST ID:xYvE1qQf No.138715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Birth those babies man! It's already been over a week, so I'm assuming you took that previous posters bad advice. The longer a colonized cake sits in a jar, the less viable it is for producing fruit or colonizing a bulk substrate. A week or so won't make a big difference, though.

The casing method your friend is referring to is providing the mycelium a layer of non/low-nutrition layer of material that is highly water absorbent. It gives the mycelium a backup reservoir of water to produce fruits. This lets it flush more times, increasing your final yield. With cakes, you want to birth them and soak them in cold water (no higher than 60F I'd say) overnight. Putting them in the fridge is fine, but most people's refridgerators are host to lots of contaminants. The cold won't hurt the mycelium, it just retards the growth of potential bacterial contaminants, make sure to cover the pot you soak them in.

After the "dunk" (more of a soak, really), you roll the cakes in vermiculite.
Make sure that you have as little mycelium showing as possible. Some folks like to sprinkle an additional cm or so of extra verm on top of the cake to act as an extra reservoir, but it isn't necessary.

Then put the dunk and rolled cakes in a shotgun terrarium. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4065019
This is a better version of the traditional variant, and the post explains the physics of how it works too, which is nice for newbies. I highly recommend buying a hygro-thermometer, to know when to mist and help regulate temperature. After the first misting of the perlite the humidity should stay near 99%-100%, at least it did for me back before I switchedIt to bulk growing.

Now, here's another thing to consider, making more jars. Sure, you could just inject more spores and have colonized jars in 3 weeks at best, wouldn't you rather have them in 5-10 days? Well, you can! It's common with grain jars to use one to inoculate others. The most commonly used grain, Rye Berries, seperate from each other into individual mycelium laden kernels when hit against a phone book or inflated tire. You simply just pour some of them into another jar of freshly sterilized grain.

However your situation presents two problems doing this.
  1. I'm assuming those are BRF cakes, since there are no visible grains pushing up against the glass, and BRF can't be broken up just by smacking the jar.
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NeemGuy - Fri, 13 Mar 2015 20:37:23 EST ID:xYvE1qQf No.138716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Forgot something. I'm assuming you have no means of filtered air exchange in those jars, since you still have the tin foil on. This is not something you want to do, it slows growth considerably, and may even make jars stall out completely. Don't fret though, a filter is easy as fuck to make. I make mine simply by drilling a hole in the lid, and stuffing it with polyfill, which is just pillow stuffing you can find in literally everything these days. Pull off a little ball of it, I'd say about the size of a nickel, roll it around into a ball, and keep folding it onto itself until one is vaguely ball shaped, then just push it through the hole, use a nail if necessary. I like to apply micropore tape(NOT TRANSPORE, IT WILL MELT IN AUTOCLAVE) to the filter on the underside of the lid. As the name implies, its tape with microscopic pores that air but not bactera and spores can pass through. The main function of the tape is to keep the grains in the jar from directly touching the polyfill, which it tends to stick do when it does.

I can't stress enough the importance of air exchange, try this out next time if you want faster colonization, and a healthier mycelium.

what's wrong with my plant by Faggy Trotson - Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:30:16 EST ID:uPUYTysb No.137958 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can this be caused by cold air? The plant may have been in too cold place

The other thing is, I have only been giving the plant plain water for the past two weeks as a test. Maybe I should start giving it nutrients? But I mean, still, I have grown plenty of the same strain earlier and this problem didn't come up ever even if I just gave the plants plain water in vegetative mode... Anyway, the soil is now quite wet so I am not sure if the roots are drowning or what, should I just give it some strong extra nutrients in a little bit of water or something?

I am afraid my plants don't have long... please someone help me if you can
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Nicholas Beckleford - Wed, 07 Jan 2015 04:08:19 EST ID:+ndbCC5w No.137985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, looks like frost bite. Weed likes it warm.
Nutrients would help it defend itself against the cold, but i wouldn't water if the soil is wet. Put it somewhere warm, leave the soil to get dry and then add your nutrients and just hope for the best. Weed is pretty hardy but that plant does not look good. Might be a good idea to cut off the dead leaves.
Wesley Gerringnetch - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:02:10 EST ID:vK8s0Wsv No.138568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well at least the new growth looks vigorous. Dont do it again
Hannah Follyman - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:13:41 EST ID:+JRYTOPF No.138569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
your sooo dumb its like I hate you, why did you leave me daddy?!!?!!?
Emma Gammleway - Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:01:59 EST ID:tSZApd7R No.138710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
can you post any pictures of anything that's alive left on it?
David Tillingwill - Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:06:08 EST ID:VN00DNFT No.138741 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Seeds everywhere by Shitting Hollershit - Mon, 02 Mar 2015 03:19:31 EST ID:f3qC7BFJ No.138589 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I fucked up a bit.
I started growing 3 plants outdoors and they all appeared to be female, but two were growing faster than the third. I was checking them twice a week and they flowered up nicely with some tall fat buds but I couldn't check it for a while when I got flooded out of the crop and forgot about it a bit. The runt went hermie and dropped pollen everywhere and now the buds are loaded with seeds. Is there even anything I can do about it?
I don't have any pictures but the seeds are already quite developed and peeling the seeds out of a few they're solid but aren't fully developed yet. If the 3rd plant was a true female before the storms should the seeds be viable for another grow?
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Shitting Hollershit - Mon, 02 Mar 2015 07:56:21 EST ID:f3qC7BFJ No.138593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I tried smoking some flowery bits of the hermie plant and it was surprisingly potent so it's not a total loss there.

It was very hot just before a set of storms that lasted a few days as well as considerable rain over a few weeks. Would that be enough stress on the plant to switch it? The one in question didn't seem to grow as well the whole time and even looks a little different (pitfalls of bagseed, so it's likely to be a genetic thing).

The last time I checked them the seeds were all quite firmly attached to the plant and removing them all would be quite a task. Do you think I would be losing potency if I waited until seeds began falling naturally to ease the processing?
Sophie Nenninghut - Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:15:26 EST ID:Ipx7+udB No.138594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
if the weed is well grown it's still potent even if was pollinated, it's just an urban thing that developed over decades that seeded weed is much worse than clean weed because seeded weed was often poorly grown at the same time
we can never know why it hermied, in your position I would just try the seeds out and look how it goes
no you won't loose any potency if you let the plant ripe, the high will just turn into a stoned as more trichomes get amber with time
David Bronkinmack - Tue, 10 Mar 2015 21:29:29 EST ID:U6avn2VL No.138671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its not an urban myth. Its a well documented effect of sexual frustration. All resources go to flowers and the trichs that catch pollen. It takes a ton of energy to make seeds and once the plant is pollinated all resources go to seeds.
Edwin Pobblewat - Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:49:52 EST ID:5kVBBTsR No.138675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's a reason people strive for sensimilla, and it's not a myth. OP was lucky that it was still potent, probably because the trichomes already started producing THC before it went into seed production.
Hamilton Pocklegold - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 19:03:50 EST ID:lFXK4B7W No.138704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It should be stated that trichomes (THC visible on the outside of the plant) has no function related to reproduction. It acts as a chemical defense against predators, fungi, and bacteria; it also blocks UVB, acting as a sunscreen for the plants delicate flowers. The pistils (the white hairs the turn red) catch pollen, recede, and form seeds.

Timing your grow cycles by Alice Blassledig - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:25:27 EST ID:XgV/9w5k No.138697 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm very curious if any of you have a consisten schedule to your harvest/grow cycles in that when one plant is spending a week or two drying and curing, another plant in half way through flowering, and some others vegging, and some seedlings starting.

Basically I'm wondering if you have a set up thats functions almost like a factory line that allows you to harvest one plant every month or so?

I started with two seeds, and foudn a bunch of others, and threw caution to the wind and let them all grow. Naturally, I was a bit overwhelmed by the amount of seeds that actually worked (because I'm a pleb who just stuck them into the soil and let them do as the please without more controlled germination techniques) and had a whooole lot of seedling that I simply couldn't look after leaving me with 6, luckily only one being male.

pic unrelated.
Archie Gallywater - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:49:08 EST ID:YGzNjtdm No.138700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's what i aim for but i am extremely disorganized and my motivation is inconsistent so i sometimes get behind. I just have a veg room and a flower room, usually twice as many in veg as in flower. Every two weeks about, chop some, make new clones to replace, put a few in flower from veg, repeat. Trim weed errday

Sub-par grows by Emma Guckleteck - Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:28:05 EST ID:xEf1mvtw No.138525 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Sup guys. I'm currently growing 1 Afghan Skunk plant in a pretty basic set-up, and she really is doing great despite previous nutrient burn and heat burn. She is in a five gallon DWC bucket with a fairly large airstone and the best pump i could find at my grow store. Nutes are AN micro-grow-bloom ph perfect, EC at 1.1 I have a 600w hps bulb in an aircooled hood. Light cycle is 12/12 and the temperature is ~72-74 at all times. I'm surprised at how big she is and healthy she is, considering how she's more of just a hobby. So how do you think she's doing for a half-assed grow?
Post your grows.
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Nigel Gullynedge - Wed, 04 Mar 2015 16:00:35 EST ID:6BjMa842 No.138629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That looks like shit, nb

Use google
Jenny Sullerpad - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 00:34:22 EST ID:xEf1mvtw No.138636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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what would i google? I never asked a question. Title states its not a good grow, you don't have to be a shitlord.
Alice Blassledig - Wed, 11 Mar 2015 23:24:39 EST ID:XgV/9w5k No.138686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've had to bunch my older flowers with my younger ones In a box because a horrid cis male was detected and moved to the other box. I won't destroy it yet though, not till I observe its growing habits when I treat it differently.

2 are 10 days away from harvest, which will mean the younger plants will get more light to themselves later.
Its not a good grow, but this has been fun, and I can only learn and get better if I ever grow again.
Alice Blassledig - Wed, 11 Mar 2015 23:26:35 EST ID:XgV/9w5k No.138688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The fastest top
Closest to being ripe
Alice Blassledig - Wed, 11 Mar 2015 23:28:12 EST ID:XgV/9w5k No.138689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And the shorter more well rounded twin sister

Mold by Phineas Sorrydale - Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:40:38 EST ID:HsXtKdMF No.138466 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I keep getting mold on my plants
This is the second time i have to throw it away
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Molly Droppersudging - Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:53:01 EST ID:AEbZ5bn6 No.138479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
apparently the mold is called tricomes and supposed to be there lol
Hugh Futtingchock - Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:20:13 EST ID:5kVBBTsR No.138483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think op was referring to the picture. No one's that dumb.
Caroline Fisslecheg - Tue, 10 Mar 2015 04:40:57 EST ID:y419Y2g7 No.138668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If there's one thing humanity has taught me, it is to never underestimate the potential stupidity and/or ignorance of my fellow man. OP might be trolling or clueless about trich's.
Angus Hishcocke - Tue, 10 Mar 2015 05:07:46 EST ID:ajieZv7g No.138669 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This, buy a dehumidifier, also you can spray your plants with Eagle-20 when they are in veg. It prevents mold, but its toxic so NEVER spray it on flowers.
Edwin Pobblewat - Tue, 10 Mar 2015 23:09:22 EST ID:5kVBBTsR No.138676 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Even the stupidest person knows what a google is and knows what weed looks like. Always assume troll.


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