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crossing by Cyril Blackville - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 23:59:41 EST ID:ol/Sob4l No.145938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What happens when you cross a auto with a regular ?
im guessing no way to calculate the outcome
Beatrice Fobblestone - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:03:10 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.145942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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A fast flowering strain, but NOT an automatic.
Only after careful crossing and then backcrossing with the parent can you stabilise the 'automatic' gene.

So you get a lot of the ruderalis genetics

I bought a book on this (Its german and called "Enzyklopädie der Cannabiszucht") and I highly recommend books if you're interessted in this subject, breeding. But maybe this simple tutorial will suffice http://www.growweedeasy.com/advanced-breeding-techniques
>>145942 - Wed, 09 May 2018 19:45:15 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.145973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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To everyone who wants to learn genetics but doesn't want to read page after page. There is a game on steam which lets you run your own plant breeding shop called 'Crazy Plant Shop' based on the true laws of breeding.

Here is an exempt from https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=112662

"In other cases, careful selection is required. I’ll take the example of how the Lowryder#2 strain was created to prove my point here.

The goal is to preserve the recessive auto-flowering trait:

a = recessive auto-flowering trait
A = dominant normal flowering

Lowryder was bred to Santa Maria/Planck in order to create LR#2. So;

Santa Maria x Lowryder = AA x aa = 100% Aa F1 --> The auto-flowering trait is masked by the gene for normal flowering but all the offspring carry the recessive trait.

(Santa Maria x Lowryder) x Lowryder = Aa F1 x aa = 50% Aa F2 + 50% aa F2 --> 50% auto-flowering in the second generation. This is where the selection for AF plants begins. We pick one of the AF F2's and cross it once more to a true breeding Lowryder,

[(Santa Maria x Lowryder) x Lowryder] x Lowryder = aa F2 x aa = 100% aa F3 = Lowryder#2

As you can see, if we take one of the auto-flowering F2-individuals and cross it to a true breeding Lowryder we get the same result as when we cross two true breeding Lowryders to each other (LR x LR), 100% auto-flowering individuals.

So, if you want to make a new auto-flowering Lowryder hybrid, you have to backcross it twice to true breeding Lowryders in order to preserve the auto-flowering trait in the new hybrid. Remember though that this F3-offspring only carries 12,5% of the genes from the non-auto-flowering parent. In order to increase this percentage you have to start the process all over again."
Fuck Honeyfuck - Thu, 10 May 2018 00:38:31 EST ID:uA4MRYo6 No.145974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The abbreviations and shorthand are neat and all, but it's fucking greek to someone who isn't well read on the subject. Can you explain in plain english?
Priscilla Bembleworth - Thu, 10 May 2018 06:25:23 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.145977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I typed it all out but my post got deleted by accident.
So here is the short version: Take two completly unrelated plants, f.e. a male from russia and a female from mexico. If you breed these two you get a very uniform plant, this generation is the F1 generation. If you now breed the F1 Generation with itself again you split up their genes and are able to select from a wide diversity of plants. This is the F2 generation.

Just play crazy plant shop will ya

Consider my picture. In this case the gene W (white flowers) is rescessive and R (red flowers) is dominant.
Priscilla Bembleworth - Thu, 10 May 2018 06:40:45 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.145978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Better picture

Is anyone here breeding their own?
Fuck Honeyfuck - Thu, 10 May 2018 11:55:21 EST ID:uA4MRYo6 No.145981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I see. I'm trying to make a trileaf strain with the only trileaf plant I've ever had, or ever even seen aside from photos. My plan was to just separate any trileafs that are produced which are F1s, and breed them with each other. Then do the same with F2, etc etc, until I have a plant that reliably produces trileafs when bred with another of its trileaf siblings.
Jenny Brookfoot - Sat, 12 May 2018 13:20:57 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.145986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Search around for what others write about these mutations. Trileaf is called 'Whorled phyllotaxy' btw.. Godspeed and please keep us updated.
Augustus Hondlekot - Sun, 13 May 2018 16:54:40 EST ID:OkyiRuR2 No.145989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have a seed that popped with an extra cot, but didn't throw trileaves. I'm going to keep it as a brood mother and potential breeding candidate.
Charles Worthingdock - Sun, 13 May 2018 18:01:07 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.145990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It could be very well that it corrected it genetics through the phases. But its a good idea to try anyway.
Angus Wannerworth - Sun, 13 May 2018 21:54:04 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.145991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>extra cot
To clarify, you mean a third embryo leaf, right? Not a second seeding right?
Esther Worthingspear - Wed, 16 May 2018 18:35:57 EST ID:55peluM6 No.145999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nigel Shittinggold - Fri, 18 May 2018 20:08:15 EST ID:QC2vAgRh No.146005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Alright, so

If you only have one plant, try to clone its cuttings. Use some clones to grow weed specifically for smoking for scientific reasons of the highest order to answer the most important question of them all.

But the others you will treat with either hormones or you stress them out or third option:

Ive read somewhere around here a study, that if you cut the roots of a hydroponically grown cannabis cutting repeatedly, its more likely to go male as it has no root which are responsible for some hormone production.

So you could try that. Other option is to breed herm heavy f1s through either extensive stress or many hormones. Then with itself to f2 and select desireable traits (stays a trileaf long). Do so again until you are statisfied with your genetics. it`ll suffer from inbred defects but it shouldnt be too bad in the first two generations i wager

Be aware though, only use seeds from actual trileaf buds, sometimes the upper branches stop growing like a trileaf. i guess its not unlikely to say that these seeds will have the corrected genetics. Its a mutation after all, so dont expect this to go by the book.
Walter Turveyspear - Mon, 21 May 2018 18:29:39 EST ID:55peluM6 No.146010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The thing about stressing to hermaphrodite....this is typically a somewhat localized phenomenon. Some nodes can go male, many stay female. Which comes to how I got these seeds--
This tricot seedling is likely already the product of hermaphroditic self-pollination as is, since one specific plant in a group got seeded a little. But at least I have a wide variety of source material seeds.
Matilda Shakeman - Fri, 25 May 2018 16:18:57 EST ID:55peluM6 No.146017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Observe my tryhards pretending to be trileaf
The one on the left is the aforementioned tricot
Matilda Shakeman - Fri, 25 May 2018 16:22:03 EST ID:55peluM6 No.146018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuuuck, trying again
Hedda Habberfack - Fri, 25 May 2018 20:29:46 EST ID:QC2vAgRh No.146019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Better luck next time.
Maybe itll be a male and you can at least make a few seeds for your storage, pollinate a flower.
Jarvis Sishfit - Sat, 26 May 2018 18:14:55 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.146020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Disregard >>146019

Read this https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/breeding-for-whorls.63887/
"At first I thought none of the plants whorled and but as I mentioned earlier, it takes a certain maturity level, i.e. the whorl in my plants only appears after it's a seedling and doesn't start out as a tricot. One of the fascinating things about the whorling behavior is the golden angle. I'll show some more examples later, but it's a perfect golden angle every single time."
Ebenezer Blatherford - Sun, 27 May 2018 02:39:53 EST ID:uBY6Q3qf No.146021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
keep posting pics of those ones. i popped like 40 seeds so far this year but they're all normal
Emma Tootwater - Tue, 29 May 2018 17:31:43 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.146024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Afaik you can not cross a trifoliat with a reguar cannabis plants because the trifoliate has 3 sets of genes instead of the regular 2.
Its kinda like down syndrome in a way
Ebenezer Pidgewill - Tue, 29 May 2018 20:06:44 EST ID:55peluM6 No.146028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everything in that pic and plenty more are from the same seedstock. I got males, I guarantee it.
>Kinda like downs syndrome
That's hilarious.
Alice Surryham - Sat, 02 Jun 2018 00:20:26 EST ID:uxeUJdGd No.146039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They've gotten pretty normal now, no fun here.
Though I did find another tricot in the batch....
Alice Surryham - Sat, 02 Jun 2018 00:22:43 EST ID:uxeUJdGd No.146040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Pics of them now--

My other tricot isn't strong and probably isn't worth keeping, but curiosity...
Emma Crepperfuck - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:55:11 EST ID:NCtp+u6l No.146044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Seeds of the same litter have shown interesting mutations, like these extra leaflets
Emma Crepperfuck - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:56:38 EST ID:NCtp+u6l No.146045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Same plant, opposing leaf
Phineas Drollynire - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 06:14:56 EST ID:Lo7Co/Tg No.146047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Leaf abnormalitys seem to be common enough. At least on my Ruderalis Indica Sativa hybrid
Phyllis Packlespear - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 23:49:56 EST ID:P1XnZ+N9 No.146055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hi all
The second seed that popped tricot seems to be developing trileaf. Pic related, it didn't present until the second node.
It's a garbage plant though, it's the smallest of it's litter... If it weren't for watching it's development, I've binned it by now
Sidney Buzzforth - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:39:58 EST ID:NCtp+u6l No.146074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Barnaby Gocklehatch - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:52:35 EST ID:uBY6Q3qf No.146075 Ignore Report Quick Reply
whats that white bloom on the leaf tips from?
Nigel Smallforth - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 00:18:01 EST ID:NCtp+u6l No.146078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sulfur powder. She picked up a light case of spider mites.
Cyril Bocklestone - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 19:14:32 EST ID:WBRHHOgK No.146081 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like she's gonna be super bushy. Lets hope you get a bazillion sugar leaves
Jack Feddlefuck - Tue, 26 Jun 2018 02:51:30 EST ID:uBY6Q3qf No.146102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i had some similar looking remains from spraying citric acid solution a few weeks ago. i just did my first sulphur spray earlier today, russet mites have to be kept at bay somehow
Barnaby Bundock - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:35:05 EST ID:NCtp+u6l No.146106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How did the citric acid spray work? Not well if you switched to sulfur, I gather...
Martin Worthingwater - Fri, 29 Jun 2018 00:31:23 EST ID:B0kZyQRI No.146109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No the citric acid was doing pretty good protecting the plants, but where I live none of the regular seed will start flowering until the start of August so I have some time to fuck around with different ideas. I'm still using an alcohol & lemon solution on my autoflowers and they're still clean of critters.
George Hecklenet - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 11:40:08 EST ID:NCtp+u6l No.146113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is citric acid meant as a pesticide or repellant?
Hamilton Shakefield - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 12:24:33 EST ID:Z46dw+4B No.146114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does the lemon work? I'm familiar with alcohol sprays, and that works by itself (though my plants tend to hate it) and I'm not sure the lemon is adding anything...
Emma Hudgeshit - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 21:32:25 EST ID:B0kZyQRI No.146115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
as far as i know on the acidic stuff, the point on it is to lower the PH where the mite's eggs are growing on the plant's surface. Low PH prevents the eggs from developing according to my readings
i haven't tried lemon separate from the alcohol yet.
i'd love to have a big experimental garden to fuck around in and i do a little bit of screwing around and let the plants suffer sometimes or do this or that to see what happens, but mainly i'm just trying to grow myself some bud so i haven't tried that yet. maybe i'll switch a couple plants to lemon-only for a week or two and see what happens, thanks for the idea.

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