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Funny del discussion question by Corpus Crispy - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 06:48:57 EST ID:HnxzRvCM No.155789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Which do you think is worse for your body to do every day?
Dph or Alcohol
Dph or Cigarettes
Dph or fast food
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Sidney Murdlock - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 09:22:44 EST ID:4ntsQMXO No.155791 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Depends entirely on dosing. 700 mg a day for all of those is probably worse than eating fast food for every meal, drinking less than 9 drinks every day, or smoking less than 2 packs a day
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Edward Blingersudge - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 13:55:28 EST ID:jAXqM2qv No.155792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel like DPH is very aggressive to health, moreso than anything else you've listed. This is just conjecture, but the sensations I get in my head after a high dose just feel destructive; it's almost like I can feel my neurons shriveling up and dying.

I also eat a shit ton of fast food and drink like a fish so I probably won't live long. Oh well.
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Caroline Sucklemidge - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 17:41:24 EST ID:LwjPtQHp No.155793 Ignore Report Quick Reply
honestly? every day? del would kill you the fastest
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Matilda Siddleville - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 03:30:37 EST ID:RgqvbuWz No.155796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155789
>not using all of the above every day

In all seriousness though, I think DPH would be less harmful at therapeutic doses than the other three but at fap doses or higher it'll probably be worse or at least cause noticeable damage the fastest
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Phoebe Nicklebanks - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 11:36:06 EST ID:dpIcocgG No.155800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155789

I take massive amounts every day and have done so for years. Massive tolerance has made me more or less immune, to be honest. I have gotten consistently clean bills of health from my check-ups. I'm not arrogant or ignorant enough to think this free ride will last forever. I smoke heavily and have done so for much longer than I have daily taken DPH and I have a bit of a cough... I never drink... I used to binge on meth for 12 days at a time and I found that to be much more crippling in terms of daily functioning though I haven't touched the stuff in years. I'm prescribed 35 mgs of methadone a day which I've been steadily coming off of 5-mg-per-month from the 130 I once was prescribed to get off hydromorphone/heroin. NB 'cause I really haven't answered your question but I got the urge to be semi-relevant and here we are
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David Greenhood - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:19:28 EST ID:LwjPtQHp No.155808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155800

your "clean bill of health from a checkup" probably did not investigate the health of your brain/neurons
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Phyllis Tootfield - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 07:59:03 EST ID:dpIcocgG No.155812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155808

Yes, that's quite true and that's what brought me to the conclusion of "no free ride forever." The few issues I do have such as poor word recall, stuttering, slight spasms always go away after I stop for a day or two. My intelligence and vocabulary go back to being perfectly normal as well as all other functions.
I do know that if I keep it up, it's going to become worse and take longer to bounce back though and eventually I may not bounce back at all. I've gotten to this point after 15 years or so of drug use, 10 of which has been pretty extreme abuse and addiction to opiates, meth, weed (if that counts) and deliriants consistently. It's been only the DPH for the last two years and even with 2000 mgs per what averages out to be every second or third day, I feel the most stable and healthy I have for quite some time. But yeah, that most likely will eventually change for the worse but now that I'm at the point where I can quite literally down 1500 mgs and go about my day, it's just not even fucking worth it but yet it seems to fill a void which is incredibly frustrating
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Cyril Gammleford - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 11:14:14 EST ID:Ar4UhUOf No.155813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why exactly is dph seen to be so bad for your brain by this board? Logically, if muscarinic agonists cause absurd excitotoxic brain damage, wouldn't an antagonist like dph do the opposite? The fried brain feeling and amnesia comes from that antagonisation.

Which leads me to my main point, if you introduced a steady a dose of a muscarinic antagonist, wouldn't the brain respond to that by upregulating muscarinic receptors, thus improving cognition and memory? Or would that very upregulation cause excitotoxicity due to muscurinic over-stimulation?
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Martin Mocklebury - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:05:58 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.155815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The subjective effect of a drug doesn't really indicate its health. Huffing paint produces euphoria and yet will absolutely kill brain cells, for instance. Just because DPH produces intense dysphoria doesn't necessarily mean it's causing damage.
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George Piddletet - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:18:35 EST ID:lDn+Mlsl No.155817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155789
I think low dose dph to fall asleep every night causes early onset dementia
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Taylor - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:20:10 EST ID:kTPKj5rN No.155826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155817
Yep, studies from Harvard show that frequent dosing of the recommended doses increased your risk by about 33%
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Eugene Pickworth - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 02:51:14 EST ID:jHOEyF07 No.155834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155815

but no one said that. we are saying dph causes brain damage because it does, not because of how it feels.
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William Grandwell - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:54:48 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.155856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155834
>we are saying dph causes brain damage because it does

But what is your evidence?
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Cedric Broblingbury - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:43:05 EST ID:yO0gV0Wm No.155859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For your body?
With my current knowledge?
>Alcohol
>Cigarettes
>Fast food

Barring liver toxicity, cardiotoxicity, or fatal neurodegeneration I think DPH wins, I am reluctant to admit.
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Wesley Chorryputch - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 14:58:25 EST ID:jHOEyF07 No.155860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155856

here let me prove some facts to you because it's my responsibility to educate you

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2091745
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gnastygnorc - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:07:52 EST ID:HnxzRvCM No.155870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155860
I've been abusing dph almost daily for years in varying doses generally ranging from 300-700mg and I can definitely recognize signs of dementia, the most prevalent being the feeling of deja-vu like if i watch a movie ive never seen or eat at a restaurant ive never been too its like I remember it and feel like I know ive done this already. I have no doubt in my mind that dph causes pretty significant brain damage overtime. However, as far as non-brain related physical health problems, I have in the past been a heavy drinker/smoker and benzo user all of which I have ceased as the side effects were physically debilitating and I feel it took a much heavier toll on my health than dph has. I drink alot of water and exercise almost every day and while Im aware its quite possible im just subconsciously trying to justify my drug habit to myself, I feel exponentially healthier just doing dph than I felt drinking/smoking/doing other drugs.
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Nell Grimlock - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 22:50:05 EST ID:jHOEyF07 No.155872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155870

hey man, we all gotta get high somehow. you do you.
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Lillian Becklechack - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:09:15 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.155873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155870
You take high doses nearly every day? So you're saying you experience dementia while under the influence of DPH? Well, duh. But if you stopped for an extended period of time, I'd be very interested to see if you would fully recover or always have mental problems.
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Lillian Becklechack - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:30:51 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.155874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155860
Yes, so there have been studies on the effects of long-term therapeutic doses on the elderly, but not on the effects of intermittent recreation doses, or chronic recreational doses followed by abstinence, which is the pattern of use I imagine many of us have.
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Frederick Brosslebin - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:16:58 EST ID:DZhUY/rI No.155875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>155873
SMH you niggas talking about motherfucking PERMANENT brain damage like like its some monster of the day cartoon type shit. Hey 'guise it'd be interesting if this guy here permanently fucked himself for life. BUT HEY LETS GET HIGH ON SLEEP PILLZ BRUHH

>always have mental problems

>we all gotta get high somehow.

This board is bottom tier only to the idiots who huff inhalants and fuck with jenk.
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Frederick Brosslebin - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:18:18 EST ID:DZhUY/rI No.155876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155875
isn't*
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Dextrolord - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 02:03:52 EST ID:tw70UaGH No.155878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>155875
Whatever ass just cuz uve never felt the call of the spider or longed to gaze upon hatman doesn't mean u have to be a dick.
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Edwin Brublinghood - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 07:30:30 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.155881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155875
It seems likely that high doses of DPH cause brain damage, but the reality is that there just haven't been any studies on it, so it's not certain. If it does cause damage, it seems like somewhat subtle damage. I've taken high and moderate doses dozens of times, maybe close to a hundred times if I include lowish doses like 200mg. I haven't had any DPH at all for about six months now, and I feel sharp, as sharp as ever really, although of course there are lots of variables at play, including just getting older (I'm 24 now).
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ss - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:54:40 EST ID:+nLihAKt No.155882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155789
guess cigarettes
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Angus Pimmerhutch - Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:43:08 EST ID:7bF4cG6E No.155916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Did DPH from 20-27
>Visited the ER THREE FUCKING TIMES before I quit.
>Told me the worst thing that happens to your body is its dehydration effect.
>Increased risk of dementia grows if you take them when your older 40+.
>DPH Puts alot of stress on the kidneys, and may lead to needing dialisis.
>Do you want to sit a medical tool for 3 HOURS EVERYDAY?
>The Human brain is neuroplastic. and adapts to its envirnment.
>Your not a not a neuroscientist and neither am I. ( Ironically Ben Carson a neurosurgeon is a Human-Sleeping Pill)
>So how could you know they had permanent brain damage without various tests before and after?
>We are all lucky to live now. The advancements for the last ten years in brain health looks very promissing.
>https://futurism.com/this-fda-approved-drug-could-permanently-repair-brain-damage-in-stroke-victims/
>You can enhance your brain at any point in your life.
>Since I assume most people here are 18-24 theres plenty more life to improve and come out even smarter.
>These days, a consensus of neuroscientists agree that brain development likely persists until at least the mid-20s – possibly until the 30s."

If you still want to take this nightmare of a drug make sure the rest of your life is extra stupid healthy. After I got out of rehab I did a lot of research and most say you should: Get GOOD sleep, Brain healthy foods, diet exercise, socialize, dual N-back training, AGPC, ALCAR, NAC, Fish Oil, Tumeric, Grape seed extract, Chocolate.

TL,DR: Neuroplasticity
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Sidney Duckforth - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:42:55 EST ID:6CapN73J No.155921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>155916
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John Murdstone - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 23:00:28 EST ID:7bF4cG6E No.155923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155860
"We included 3434 participants 65 years or older with no dementia at study entry."
"Older adults may be more sensitive to anticholinergic effects in the central nervous system because of age-related changes in pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics, reduced acetylcholine-mediated transmission in the brain, and increased permeability of the blood-brain barrier"
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Clara Pickman - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 02:50:24 EST ID:D1CPTbAb No.155927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155916

I eat 200g chocolate every day at least, I'm gonna make it
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Eiriel - Tue, 06 Mar 2018 19:00:06 EST ID:676Z8Zn7 No.155945 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155789
DPH is bad.
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Sidney Hocklefoot - Sat, 10 Mar 2018 11:15:31 EST ID:n/cdz+1B No.155977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Considering I have horrific nightmares, hear auditory hallucinations attempting to fall asleep, see words move and get persisting visual disturbances like black spots and random color flashes and am now more paranoid all while sober, I'd stay away from it. I may have Alzheimer's; DPH is not a safe drug But I'm getting clean in general because I can no longer enjoy any drug and coke sent me into a frenzied panic. Gonna go see a doctor to tell me how fucked I am on Wednesday.
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Betsy Chundleford - Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:18:10 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.155981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155977
How much DPH have you done, and how long has it been since you quit?
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Sidney Hungerdale - Sat, 10 Mar 2018 20:58:16 EST ID:n/cdz+1B No.155982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155981
I was a heavy abuser for half a year doing it almost daily at one point and near weekly the rest, and I quit DPH about a month ago.
However, stupid me figure maybe other drugs could be more enjoyable, like cocaine, which I did and now I have narcolepsy, indigestion, constantly feel like I'm going to have a stroke, and can't remember anything. I had some lesser symptoms before but whatever the coke did it accelerated my suffering. Chances are I had Alzheimer's from the DPH use and I just made it worse.
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Eliza Drapperdale - Sun, 11 Mar 2018 01:31:42 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.155983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155982
What sorts of doses would you do tho? I'm sorry to hear about your situation. If you completely abstain from drugs, maybe only using weed to ease the pain, you should feel better over time.
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Sidney Hungerdale - Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:14:07 EST ID:n/cdz+1B No.155987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155983
My main dose was around 700/400 DXM+DPH, but I went as high as 900/700 some nights, even doing it multiple times a night.
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Eliza Drapperdale - Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:01:30 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.155991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155987
Dude what the fuck!? I've never heard of doses that high tbh.... 700mg DPH alone is a very very high dose.
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Hamilton Daddlepot - Mon, 12 Mar 2018 05:49:27 EST ID:n/cdz+1B No.155995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155991
I'm just here to tell you that the Alzheimer's/DPH link is probably a very real possibility. Yes it was only tested on an African population but there's no accounting for variance.
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CrazyFolksTribe !owU3wSU682 - Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:48:41 EST ID:XDxpSJyy No.155998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>155991
>hasn't heard of the 700 Club
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Martha Cacklepeck - Tue, 13 Mar 2018 08:51:21 EST ID:gORhX4DD No.155999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>wake up in the morning
>hear what sounds like someone doing dishes in the main room
>think this is actually what it is for a while
>oh wait it's actually my water cooler that I've been using for a year
>sit down in bed and cry because I'm losing my mind

Hello early onset dementia.
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Isabella Droffingchere - Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:15:19 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.156000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155998
I've heard of it, and I'm in it. I'm in the 800 club in fact. I'm just saying that 700 mg DPH is a very high dose, especially if you don't weigh a lot like me, at 130 lb.
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Isabella Droffingchere - Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:45:24 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.156004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>155999
What is your use pattern?
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Ebenezer Brookdale - Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:06:47 EST ID:gORhX4DD No.156008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>156004
I'm this guy
>>155987
And like I said I was doing it for about half a year before quitting a month ago. It probably doesn't help that I have been doing psychadelics since then and last week did stims.
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Caroline Turveyhood - Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:41:43 EST ID:IlihZ0wt No.156009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>156000

yeah you still don't get the reference. move along.
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Hugh Crendlehire - Fri, 16 Mar 2018 15:06:33 EST ID:yWS8jKIR No.156020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>156008
>I'm this guy

Yeah, but what does would you do?


>>156009
>yeah you still don't get the reference. move along.

The reference is to the evangelical TV show. I've taken 800mg doses of DPH, so I am in the 700 Club.
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Dextrolord - Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:42:48 EST ID:tw70UaGH No.156025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>156020
Eeehhhhh.... The amount of try hard right here is palpable

Nb
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Betsy Bunfield - Sat, 17 Mar 2018 16:54:16 EST ID:IlihZ0wt No.156033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>156020

incorrect. move along.


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