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Binge by Cyril Buzzlock - Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:28:07 EST ID:GFy64djq No.156885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey /deli/cious people, got any tips on putting the brakes on a binge? I've had an off-on again relationship with the dryl, and I know it's definitely bad for me in the long term but I like its effects so much I know I'll never stop completely.

So I've been trying to 'chip' for a while, doing it every now and then, and that worked for a few years.

But recently I've just gone completely off the wagon. Not full delirium levels but pretty rough and every night, to the point that I can tell the negative effects are starting to outweigh the positive. What do you do to stop a binge? Just switch to different drugs?
starbrother !CGFwIbbIo6 - Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:12:59 EST ID:79mcT0kO No.156887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Asking how to stop a binge when you have no plans to stop the drug is a pretty difficult proposition at best. If you already know the negative effects outweigh the positive but you're still doing it, there is something making you keep on, potentially even something you don't actually want to admit to yourself.

If you stop your current binge but keep on abusing it, you will just binge again, such is the nature of addiction. You can't "control"it or make it fit into your life in any non destructive way, you can either stop, or try to dial back then feel even worse when you fail at that and binge again, even harder.

I am only saying that from years of experience (not just with myself, but seeing close friends abuse it), I'm not insulting you or your willpower or anything.

Switching to another drug won't help either, at best it would distract you from dph but you'd end up on it again because it's so cheap. There is only one real path, and that is the one up and out of the morass that you are currently stuck in.
Cyril Buzzlock - Thu, 09 Aug 2018 02:57:28 EST ID:GFy64djq No.156889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
With all due respect starbro, that's not the kind of condescending answer I would expect from someone like you. I didn't say the negatives outweigh the positives, I say they do so when I binge as opposed to when I space my usage out. I do the latter more often than I do the former, so I think it is reasonable to think there is a process by which one state goes to the other and that there might be something to make that transition smoother.

I assumed others might have similar experiences and insights. I know what's going on in my life and my mind, I know my reasons for use. I'm not looking for moralizing about my drug use, I'm looking for practical harm reduction strategies from other users, sorry to have to be so blunt about it, I know you're a good dude.
starbrother !CGFwIbbIo6 - Thu, 09 Aug 2018 03:26:56 EST ID:79mcT0kO No.156891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not at all, I'm not trying to be negative about it, but there is a point at which it becomes incredibly toxic, and to keep on doing it with any sort of regularity causes more and more harm, often behind the scenes or in small ways at first.

It wasn't my intent to moralize in any way and I apologize if my post came across that way, but at the same time, it is very very easy to slip further and further when you have been taking dph for a long time.

In my own case I took it for years, every week like clockwork, usually along with dxm. If I had said to myself back then, what I just said to you in my earlier post, believe me, I would have responded quite the same way you did, and I totally understand your position.

The thing is, dph is toxic in high doses and will quickly begin to alter your mind state even when not on it. Just like how there is the rarely followed "one week per plateau" rule with dxm (you are supposed to go one week without dxm for every plateau you reach in a trip), there isn't even any similar rule with dph because it would be far too long to even be viable.

If you are binging now, but want to stop, going back to spacing your doses out would take a lot of willpower, but it's certainly doable, there just aren't really any tricks to help with it. You could do something dramatic like throwing your stash away, but they're so cheap that it doesn't have any weight to do that.

It does me no good to be condescending, I've lost clients, apartments back in the day, vehicles and respect during my dph times, every step of the way, if anyone told me ANYTHING about stopping, I would tell them that I was fine and just needed to slow it down, but hppd is not something you can fix by just slowing down once you have it, and it can really, honestly cause serious issues as you get older.

I'm not any better than you in any way, I just see you near the same cliff I fell off of over and over, so please forgive me if my words chafe.

I have two close friends that do dph and BOTH of them have tried to do exactly what you're doing, go from frequent binges to just spacing out usage. Both of them failed at that, and now when I ask them how they are doing with managing it, they get evasive and defensive, or just really sad, so I just don't talk to them about it. Hopefully you can forgive me, I hate seeing that happen to anyone.
Billy Sastard - Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:21:09 EST ID:g8dFIOmJ No.156892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can someone pray for me to get HPPD 'cause I always wondered what that's like. All my mates seem to be getting it and I'm not and am feeling left out :(
Shitting Febberstidge - Thu, 09 Aug 2018 13:19:03 EST ID:tIlQ+IaM No.156893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Never had it until I did a 1G DPH dose. When it first flared up my night vision was so shit I was legitimately worried, shit was just dark and static, hard to make anything out.

Nowadays it's really only bad if I get extremely tired. At that point i get lines, after images, floaters, snow so bad it looks like it's raining, moving/drifting/vibrating edges (gets real bad if I'm trying to read text), some surprisingly nice visuals at times, especially with eyes closed.

Other than the whole text thing and destroyed night vision I find it enjoyable, call me crazy. Can't say I'd suggest trying to get it though, the idea of being stuck with that bad night vision is horrifying.
Cyril Buzzlock - Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:56:17 EST ID:GFy64djq No.156894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's nothing to forgive starbro, you were just giving advice. Unfortunately, I don't see it that way, although your argument is framed such that either agreement or disagreement with it implies you are correct, which I think is a bit of a false dichotomy. I also think that you might be primed to see all dph users as identical; everyone is unique and has unique solutions to their problems (especially when what you are calling a problem someone else isn't) so applying this cookie cutter response to any question of dph use may be why those friends don't want to talk to you about it anymore.

I also don't agree with some of the medical facts you are presenting, but I don't want to argue with you because I do hold you in such high esteem. But I simply don't see it that way, and the purpose of my thread is not 'abstinence only education' but practical harm reduction. I can see no one is willing to offer that, so let the thread quietly die. Thanks for trying to help.
Beast - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:57:39 EST ID:/OXDeCuT No.156897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll take a stab at it...it's too bad I can't figure out how to reliably multi quote b/c I have to do double responses. Someone please enlighten me.

You need to understand that it isn't condescension. It is personal experience. You could be different, it's true. Likely? Not at all. DPH addiction is pretty straightforward and it's mirrors harder drug addictions in many ways.

IF you can "beast" your way through it and have the willpower to use the substitution method (as well as set/setting changes) via another substance that is NOT DXM (or anything that will trigger DPH memories) ANY time you have a "craving" then slowly but surely you can power your way away from them. It will take an extreme amount of discipline...Unless you are at the point of driving on DPH you can take your dose and throw the rest away (it's cheap enough) and expect to have underdosed and power through that. The feeling that a 700mg feels like 150mg and if you could "just" take 300mg more you "know" you'd be good. Gotta power through "that" bullshit. Your brain will cook up some powerful nonsense about rationalizing redosing and binges.

For me though, there is something tragically beautiful about DPH and binges most of all. I'm not sure what medical knowledge you have about DPH but binges are by FAR the most dangerous. It took seizures to get me to stop and they are more common than you think. Unfortunately, most users aren't around other people so it's hard for them to know if they had one.

The "zaps" and the "shaking" are something to look out for and they will only become more pronounced during repeated binges. If you blackout after you couldn't even walk from shaking...You most likely had a seizure. You can call BS all you want. I've had witnesses fortunately/unfortunately however you want to look at it.

You are on your own journey of course, and based off your response to Starbro I will just assume you will have to find out the hard way.

Once you get into binge territory those "trips" are typically gone. You might have a few once in a blue moon where you got the "perfect" dose and it's everything you wanted but as you continue the chambers in russian roulette have less blanks in them...do you really want to find out what it's like to lose the game?

I realize this is super long lol. I find it odd that you don't take what Starbro said with a grain of salt...which to me just looks bad. Quitting is obviously a solution and depending on what heartstrings DPH pulls for you you'd be surprised how hard it really is.

I'm attempting to be a little balanced here, so "grain o salt" all that jazz ;)

I would still be deluding myself and doing the Hash/DPH combo (which takes care of the seizures) if it weren't for the simple fact that DPH is only the beginning. The first foray into the scrying pool so to speak...there are safer methods to access. Just what precisely are you seeking?

If you don't believe in the spiritual. Fine. The brain seeks out new thrills and becomes tolerant of old ones. It's like porn. You can only go so far. Sure it can settle down into a sort of "favorite junk food" but that's ALL it will ever be. It won't grow you and it won't help you get what you really want. If it's orgiastic sex or making love with your wife. Either way porn isn't going to aid you.

So it is with DPH. It's unique certainly but you've had your run. When the binges start it's best to give it a miss. They are too delicious to be without cost.

Cheers hopefully "something" connects.
Beast - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:59:32 EST ID:/OXDeCuT No.156898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Visually, it's a perpetual 150mg dose. Why would you want that?

I'll admit that with sleep deprivation and THC it is pretty cool to feel the "vibes" whenever but it's kind of ugly. I still have it after 3 years.
Beast - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 06:01:03 EST ID:/OXDeCuT No.156899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
DAMN FKN typos. Being sleep deprived will get ya -.-

Sorry for trip post.
Billy Sastard - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:08:30 EST ID:9ADPqHC7 No.156900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hahaha the amount of times I've deliberately laid on the floor because I was shaking so bad I thought I better get ready for a seizure and it never happened
Henry Nemmerman - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:44:34 EST ID:GFy64djq No.156902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ok again, almost none of what you said applies to my particular situation. I should have realized what quality of information I would get when I started this thread, but I was high at the time.

>>It will take an extreme amount of discipline
The night of OP was the last night of my binge. Apparently my cringe factor at the response I was getting was enough to stop just to prove my point.

>>The feeling that a 700mg feels like 150mg and if you could "just" take 300mg more you "know" you'd be good. Gotta power through "that" bullshit
See, I've never been remotely that deluded about my DPH use, or been close to taking those kinds of doses with any regularity. I'm talking about a binge of 100-200mg, fap level doses, for at most 1-2 weeks.

>>. If you blackout after you couldn't even walk from shaking
I have never blacked out from DPH use, even on 600mg (which is the most I've ever taken.)

Again, I just think you guys are making all these assumptions and these generalizations. This actually is making it harder for people to get the information they need for their personal situation.

>> DPH pulls for you you'd be surprised how hard it really is.
Again, I have stopped using DPH for up to a year at a time half a dozen times over the course of over a decade of use. Because I went back, that's not 'quitting' but 'chipping' like I suggested in the OP, but you make out like it's literally impossible to stop a binge, or that the only way to stop is to commit to never taking again by doing something absurd like throwing away a $3 bottle of pills. I am familiar with how hard it is or isn't for me, I was initially looking for tips and tricks (like, take loratidine as it will satisfy your craving without giving you a trip, or, get drunk to help with the insomnia) which were common in the culture here last time I was a regular a couple years ago. I see the attitude has gotten a little bleaker, which probably makes sense for a community whose premise is soaking in delirium.

>>The first foray into the scrying pool so to speak...there are safer methods to access. Just what precisely are you seeking? If you don't believe in the spiritual. Fine.
Dude, fam, again, not my first trip around the block. I have taken all those other things, I have done all those other practices. Your assumption that I have no idea about anything makes it hard for me to take your advice seriously. DPH offers something that isn't available anywhere else in the universe, I'm sure you know this. That means it has an inherent value, that, it is true, may be outweighed by the negative for some people, but doesn't negate that there is a rational reason one might want to take it.

So are the only options people interested in hearing:
>>Take none of the DPH ever. If you do, your brain will become a poop instantly, no matter what else you think is happening
>>Take all of the DPH ever, if you do, your brain will become a poop, but do it anyway
why is there no room for
>>Like all things, if you take too much of DPH your brain will become a poop. So be smart and don't do that. (And X and Y are ways to be smart about it, blah blah blah...)

I know we're all delirious, but if we can't treat the thing that's causing the delirium with rationality, we are truly lost.
Beast - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:04:30 EST ID:/OXDeCuT No.156903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You neglected to offer any sort of background and then seem to go out of your way to shred people's posts.

Had you provided this information from the start it might have gone better.

It all boils down to your season in life and from internet text it's hard to ascertain that.

No, I'm not knocking on you. Most of the things I say isn't meant for just the OP but to anyone that reads what I post.

I underestimated the drug when I was forced to stop toking due to probation. It probably wouldn't have been as ugly were that not the case. I was young and heedless.

I do agree that yes...it is unique. Like a backwater relative of the Lady Datura. Sometimes you are curious what's out in the bayou and while always a unique experience, it's not a place you want to live. MOST people here are not seasoned substance users and as such, things that I post are geared more toward that audience.

I'll end just because idk how to quote. If it doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't. Some people can compartmentalize addictions (but to term it that way to someone that can is almost insulting I realize) and some people can't. MOST can't.

If you can kudos...still wise to treat it with respect.

DPH I was unable to compartmentalize. Mentally I achieved an equilibrium but my body could not. Physical tolerance and mental tolerance are too far from each IME.

I think DPH is the tip of the deliriant iceburg if you feel like it's more then I guess that's just a difference of opinion.

I'll ask again...what are you seeking? that question helps with more set/setting related issues (in my experience) than anything else combined. Cheers.

Scatterbrained response from a sleep deprived mind. Hopefully someone out there gets something from it ;)
Beast - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:10:23 EST ID:/OXDeCuT No.156904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Typically you black it out...you'd have to video record to know for sure. I'm not saying you had one or anything. I just know the 2 people were present for I had no knowledge of and I only lost maybe a minute (easy to lose track of a minute on DPH)

I had one that was a gift...I don't want it on the internet but I was fully conscious for it. The circumstances were somehow just right. It taught me a lesson I can't forget. I can say that it felt freeing and liberating much in the same way people use ECT for.

Would not repeat but gave me a little bit of insight. I don't think they are as common unless you are binging or your mental tolerance is FAR higher than your bodies tolerance (which IME builds much slower).
Rebecca Chunkinbury - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 19:40:22 EST ID:kawcaSqx No.156906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah.. reading your responses im afraid youre gonna have to get pretty deep before you get truly aware of the problem. Your posts read like youre trying to convince yourself theres no damage based on verbage or diction or whatever. I used to do similar shit, hundreds on this site (and this board in particular) do this. Any dph is bad for all facets of your health. Everyone who has taken it and stopped can agree to that.

Stop taking dph. Chipping doesnt work. Search within, you already know the answer to your questions or you wouldn have made this thread.
Polly Blatherbanks - Sun, 12 Aug 2018 13:39:38 EST ID:FVrojGVu No.156907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Eat 2.5 g dry mushrooms (cubes) and truly realize the weight of your actions. I had a pretty bad weed addiction where I couldn't stop doing weed all day and if I didn't I felt sick, and a trip gave me complete peace and control.

There is a reason why you keep abusing the substance and that's your environment for the most part. You have to rethink your life situation and face the unknown lurking in the shadows.
jay - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 03:58:53 EST ID:N02vNqR/ No.156947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hey man you doing alright? i went through a year long addiction with dph. Really fucked me up, it is something I really dont recommend & that takes a lot as i usually recommend drugs ALL THE TIME. DPH is dangerous asf.
Barnaby Fuckingstone - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 06:00:28 EST ID:V58uz8gJ No.156963 Ignore Report Quick Reply

u just have to be patient. that dull boring, DPH-free time will eventually go away. i distracted myself with games like world of warcraft or GTA cuz i can spend many hours just playing them and never finish. day by day.....baby steps
CrazyFolksTribe !owU3wSU682 - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:15:46 EST ID:zoyeFXdc No.157322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just found this post and had to necro-bump the thread since I think it's important.

>The "zaps" and the "shaking" are something to look out for and they will only become more pronounced during repeated binges. If you blackout after you couldn't even walk from shaking...You most likely had a seizure. You can call BS all you want. I've had witnesses fortunately/unfortunately however you want to look at it.

Shit... I've stopped doing high doses of DPH because of these exact issues. About a month ago I had my first seizure on 700mg of DPH, although I don't think DPH alone was to blame because I'd started using Zoloft a couple weeks before. Now I can't do >300mg of DPH without feeling like I could seize at any moment.

I've had "zaps" on DPH for at least a couple years now. Most of the time they were just a minor annoyance, but occasionally I would get a zap so jarring that I'd almost fall out of my chair. But they were never frequent enough to make me consider giving up DPH.

The night I had a seizure was something else though. During the comeup my legs and arms started getting REALLY shaky, and these weren't normal DPH shakes... more like violent mini-spasms that wouldn't stop. This was the first sign that something was wrong. Eventually I had to get up and go to the bathroom, which wasn't easy. I could barely control my muscle twitches enough to walk or open a door; I just let my hand flop and bang against the doorknob until it lined up right and I could get a grip.

While I was on the toilet the muscle jerks became severe. I felt like I was full of some kind of energy I couldn't control. I was scared to stand up because it seemed like my legs wanted to spring me off of the toilet instead of lifting my body smoothly. I must have lost consciousness at this point, because the next thing I remember was lying on the floor, flopping and tensing up like every muscle in my body was being electrocuted over and over again, 3 or 4 times a second. My parents had been sleeping, but obviously they woke up from all the noise and caught me in the act. Not sure how long the seizure lasted, but "at least a few minutes" according to them.

I guess the damage was much less severe than it could have been. The toilet seat was ripped off of its bolts and my ankle was bruised, but that's all. I love DPH and never thought I'd be willing to give up heavy DPH abuse, at least not until I was older and had different priorities in life. But my memories of the seizure are so awful that I don't even want to tempt fate with >150mg anymore.
Beast - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:01:32 EST ID:/OXDeCuT No.157327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Can't say I'm glad it happened to you...I am glad however you had some conscious recall of it (as most people don't seem to) I had 3 that I'm aware of it took the third one to call it quits for me. The other two were secondhand, waking up to cops/EMT or at the hospital (so obviously they were terribad ones).

The final one I'm not prepared to talk about but all I can say it was VERY personal and one of the most personal events in my life.

I'll keep you added on disc and maybe someday I'll elaborate but it's too messed up for teh interwebz ;)

All I can say, if you continue...it will only get even more warped and you're just pillaging your own treasury...I.E destroying your mind/body.

I got pre seizure symptoms for a good while after I stopped. Like even 9 months later just out of nowhere...extreme paranoia, heart palpitations, coldness, aural activity, etc etc.

It took years to fully die down but I think I may have permanently lowered my seizure threshold by continuing after the first one. I can't fully explain where my mind went during this period or the delusions I entertained right now but there is NO end.

Take your warning and use it well :)
Fuck Bunman - Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:04:17 EST ID:A3U3jw/Y No.157405 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I still don't know how people can binge on DPH, my one and only experience was weird as fuck, but I'd do it again. I want to do Datura someday when I can do it without causing "damage".
NCACEDEADDEL - Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:10:52 EST ID:QdRLVibq No.157409 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I once thought the same about wanting to try datura. Hopefully for your safety and life you decide otherwise. Although I still have yet to try it, after years of reading reports and general studying, it might not be wise to indulge for one of two good reasons. #1, supposedly it feels incomparable (wayyyy worse) than DPH, physically, yet probably in other ways aswell like mentally for example.
#2, you could die, easily.
You may not come back, another life lost or another mind.
All in all I still support your personal choices reguardless, but that doesn't mean I'm one to not give my opinion nevertheless. Stay safe y'all.
Afterword, don't take my numerical listing of reasons personal. I wouldn't make this reply if I didn't care about every human life. (:
Oliver Bimmleford - Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:42:40 EST ID:nalS/BA8 No.157411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Any stories on niggas not coming back from datura trips? What are they like?
Filth - Sun, 02 Dec 2018 14:03:09 EST ID:OgWsie22 No.157419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157411 There's a VICE documentary on Scopolamine you can probably find on youtube. It's a little sensationalist but one of the people they interview mentions he had a friend who, to this day, still cups his hands over his eyes and peeks through his hands, never quite having come back.

We're talking about a substance that is known to exacerbate anxiety and paranoia, feelings of "impending doom". It makes sense that someone halfway through might be terrifed that they're never going to come down. Datura is one of the hardest trips out there, and nobody "masters" it.
Alice Pollernick - Wed, 05 Dec 2018 14:57:40 EST ID:Oh5BeByF No.157426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think one should extract the alkaloid content of datura, then measure with milligram scale, then dose volumetrically. It is still dangerous, but way less if you know about how much drug you ingest. I tried datura tea a few times, and it's very tricky, you have no idea that you're tripping. Only the next day you start to remember weird shit that happened and think holy shit i tripped balls and didn't even realize it. Also smoked datura joints and bongs, that's a lot different, it's more euphoric, more laughter, more recognizable hallucinations, and you feel the high almost instantly, so you know when to stop. When you swallow the tea, you are going down, and you can't do anything about it if it's too much.

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