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Do you think dinosaurs were concious? by Nathaniel Clebberforth - Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:18:12 EST ID:tmP/sW/9 No.22133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Were dinosaurs aware? did they have thoughts?

i know its impossible to know for sure (i think?), but, what do you think? :p
Graham Clayworth - Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:42:16 EST ID:eoH0xQt3 No.22135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Brachiosaur: Eat food, food is good.
Oh noes, those two legged things with sharp teeth want to kill me. Stomp Stomp scare away
Eat food, food is good.
Go fuck now, fuck is good.
Lay eggs now, eggs is good

In short, no
Walter Ballyson - Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:15:10 EST ID:1KpztFKd No.22136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Every living thing is aware that is how they evolve.
Simon Brammerridge - Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:41:45 EST ID:iAe97SYt No.22137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dino'Ed in San diego shits Awsome, I. An. The Wikipedia is Wikipedia ok,,,, no..!
Faggy Meddlelock - Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:14:40 EST ID:ZVnMule1 No.22138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Edwin Bicklebot - Sat, 04 Oct 2014 20:03:40 EST ID:7osEKhO7 No.22144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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They were aware and awesome

i bet they even form simbiosis with someeee prehistoric drugs. Bakesauruss rex mang
Charles Dobberpuck - Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:37:28 EST ID:OCPwde9E No.22733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i think they where conscious and aware, at least some of the carnivorous ones would have been and able to form complicated plans to catch prey taking a dump so there would not be that awkward death shits moment and your foods ruined because it just voided it's bowls all over itself,serious imagine that,you kill a tasty little triceratops only to have it covered in shit and piss due to death-bowl release,they would have learned and got wise about it,track down prey,wait till it's pooped,pissed not eaten in the last minute, ok looks clear, time to get a nice tasty unsoiled dinner. just makes sense that dinosaurs at least carnivores had conscious thoughts
Charles Crenderchere - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:01:55 EST ID:y7hn47Og No.22734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's just a learned behavior. Mice would be capable of that if they were carnivores. I think OP wants to know if they were self-aware. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I interpreted the question. For the record, dinosaurs were very self-aware, and would have likely been discussing the philosophies of certain dino-diets across the species.

>t-rex: I'm just saying, God made triceratops for a reason.
>veloceraptor: Yeah but think of all the benefits in parasaurolphi.
>triceratops: I still favor the leaves, you guys. Freaking delish if you ask me.
>t-rex: Oh no not this guy again.
Veloceraptor: Aight let's get him.
Simon Fankinstare - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:17:12 EST ID:oIXIwqSs No.22738 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Yeah they had far more years than us to evolve, as it is our understanding of what their world was like is still mostly guesswork. The bone mass is there but for all we know they may look like ferocious beasts to us but Tyrannosaurus Rex could've been sitting up on its haunches daintily fiddling around with an object with those tiny 2 fingered hands. It sounds like something only an intelligent being would be able to do but it doesn't either.

How smart do you really have to be to sit on your ass and try to hold a rock with 2 to 4 fingers when you're bored digesting a Triceratops? They had over 350 million years to do this. I'm sure they eventually figured out something. Those heads were pretty damn big. That much ravenous hunger combined with the frustratingly tiny arms on a huge frame must've prompted many moments of despondency.

I'm sure dinosaurs were playful too. Most animals play and it's one of the strongest ways for the development of intelligence.Reptilians are very ritualistic in their habits though. Most are very slow to act. Some were hot blooded though, it really comes down to a matter of temperature over mass. Both decayed though and no matter how primal and insane everything is around you isn't 350 million years enough time to eventually become aware of death and to start, well... thinking?
Simon Fankinstare - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:25:36 EST ID:oIXIwqSs No.22739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hate to break it to you but mice are incidental carnivores and their larger rodent cousins are circumstantial carnivores. Carnivorous behavior even in normally herbivorous animals occurs during famines and other unusual situations where the normal food staple is absent.

Triceratops: Fuck you guys eat my horns I'm not smoking with you none of you ever throw down and you've always got the munchies
Shitting Crezzlenedge - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:58:02 EST ID:4yLEMY8z No.22741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like this
A deer naturally eats a live small bird with a broken wing
All that dank grass around
But that deer knows what it wants
A juicy songbird
(warning: contains American voices)
Wesley Sinderlock - Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:27:39 EST ID:W+cdktwW No.22742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude, that was pretty brutal, just chewed the little fucker up.
Doris Turveyman - Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:09:13 EST ID:gfn7Mp3x No.22743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hate to break it to you but your off topic bullshit isn't funny
Jenny Trotbanks - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 10:35:32 EST ID:Pfmo9U52 No.22748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I read some years ago some channeling transcripts, where the channelled said that the dinosaurs were eliminated because their evolutionary progress had stagnated due to their physiology didn't allow their mental capacity to expand, so according to this were they not very conscious beings.
Shitting Pusslefuck - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 15:34:00 EST ID:xojQRmUD No.22749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's fucking retarded shit, because dinosaurs were full on in an evolutionary peak when they died out.
Phoebe Dummlewater - Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:40:02 EST ID:gzrbue0N No.22750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well of course they were, evolution is a linear process. You are always at evolutionary peak. You don't de evolve, it may seem that way but in the end you're just evolving for new conditions. Some dinosaurs were very intelligent but if any dinosaurs got as smart as us they did it just before the end. Though I guess if you have a stable environment for long enough eventually evolution will stagnate as everything finds an optimum given everyone else's current states. That might cause stagnation but otherwise the evolution of other dinosaurs might make being intelligent more viable for certain species later on so you just never know what could happen. Evolution is something where the actions of others might suddenly make previously useless strategies very effective so even if all dinosaurs were stupid at one point, a species could end up so stupid, or so something that despite otherwise dominating the ecosystem a slightly smarter species could exploit it's intelligence and do well in spit of it while others struggle. This would result in intelligence becoming selected for and suddenly there could be species smart enough to reach the point where a mutant the next step up develops tools...

It is possible that being (possibly) cold blooded would make one's brain less reliable though so becoming smart may not have been a viable option though.
Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q - Sun, 22 Mar 2015 01:57:03 EST ID:8L/vLT4m No.22752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not true really. I feel like they peaked late Jurassic-Early Cretaceous. I'm pretty sure no everyone was adapting to grasses and flowers that well, I think the ceratopsians in particular, and there was a shit ton of geological activity that had been polluting the air a well. They were on the decline I would even say when the asteroid kicked their asses to the ground.
Priscilla Copperridge - Sun, 22 Mar 2015 09:39:11 EST ID:xojQRmUD No.22753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Not true really. I feel like they peaked late Jurassic-Early Cretaceous. I'm pretty sure no everyone was adapting to grasses and flowers that well, I think the ceratopsians in particular, and there was a shit ton of geological activity that had been polluting the air a well. They were on the decline I would even say when the asteroid kicked their asses to the ground.

Quit reading children's books about dinosaurs written in the '70s you dumbshit.
Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q - Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:28:25 EST ID:8L/vLT4m No.22754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ok, I had the geological activity backwards: it was stopping, cooling the climate. Still climate change was a huge factor, and the dinosaurs pretty much had filled every niche so well for so long that they really couldn't change it up fast enough. They couldn't adapt. Most were specialists. The asteroid didn't help.
cool 420chan poster - ah man i love those weed drugs yes - Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:41:29 EST ID:b/BXQsOl No.22755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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fuck yeah man.
Frederick Penningcocke - Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:34:32 EST ID:xojQRmUD No.22759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The dinosaurs didn't die out because they couldn't adapt. They died out because that's what happens to ALL ANIMALS BIGGER THAN A SMALL DOG during a nuclear winter that lasts for 10,000 something years!

Martha Finkinhone - Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:16:22 EST ID:oIXIwqSs No.22760 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Could you be anymore colon crucified if you tried?
Jenny Pammerhall - Thu, 02 Apr 2015 15:51:35 EST ID:ExQbia37 No.22800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
STFU God your gay
James Huddlepere - Fri, 03 Apr 2015 09:41:15 EST ID:Zo2wE1Ar No.22802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mass extinctions are just another evolutionary event as a result of a sudden change in which traits are advantageous. It's rather extreme and they couldn't adapt because they died out instantly but the smaller species were able to survive a wider range of climates and thus were able to live and breed selectively to do okay.
Oliver Gangernere - Sat, 04 Apr 2015 10:37:39 EST ID:Zo2wE1Ar No.22807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just realised that also dinosaurs did adapt. They'd already started turning into birds and obviously continued to do so.
Hedda Chossledid - Sun, 05 Apr 2015 11:27:10 EST ID:lXgH3RQD No.22808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah nigga the birds split off before the post-cretaceous extinction. The huge dinosaurs coexisted with the birds till all the big animals died from the sudden lack of vegetation.
Jack Cribberspear - Mon, 06 Apr 2015 13:06:39 EST ID:xojQRmUD No.22809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mass extinctions aren't an evolutionary event you idiot. They don't even affect evolution. They just wipe out thousands of species. And then evolution takes place within the "power vacuum" left behind by the mass extinction.

You fucking idiot.

You also have to consider that the K-T extinction event made a lot of bird species extinct.
Simon Bliffingworth - Tue, 07 Apr 2015 03:02:31 EST ID:lXgH3RQD No.22810 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It seems like you don't disagree with 22802, just with his choice of words. Smoke moar nigga—Cannabaceae plants existed in the cretaceous!
Rachel Fuckingworth - Tue, 07 Apr 2015 03:06:04 EST ID:lXgH3RQD No.22811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Birds don't have cortex like we do, so any "thinking" dinosaurs probably didnt have anything like our conscious experience.

That said, since a lot of birds can problem-solve, and dinosaurs were around for so long, I would expect that at least some evolved to a great-ape level of self-awareness. I wonder if any pack dinosaurs developed empathy or fairness?
Fuck Dartfoot - Sun, 12 Apr 2015 07:27:20 EST ID:Zo2wE1Ar No.22820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>They don't even affect evolution.
Beatrice Blambleshaw - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 01:14:30 EST ID:1Lg+VeZ8 No.23217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i like dinos
Angus Crossledat - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 17:48:47 EST ID:1bGjq9om No.23656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
God I fucking love dinosaurs
Hugh Fummlehall - Mon, 03 Sep 2018 20:09:16 EST ID:asGJ14/p No.23691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
same here anon
Ebenezer Woffingson - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 17:32:59 EST ID:D7viY2z9 No.23692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah troodonts probably had at least crow like intelligence and crows hold funerals for their dead
Nigel Wundlespear - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 14:27:35 EST ID:27lZqxsj No.23698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mass extinctions very much influence evolution, you're stupid.
Doris Blatherfield - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:44:18 EST ID:8IEN4UQf No.23708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
According to this theory, the avian cerebrum is almost entirely composed of basal ganglia, the basal ganglia is involved in only instinctive behaviour, and the malleable behaviour that is thought to typify mammals exclusively requires the so-called neocortex. However, towards the end of the twentieth century, there accumulated a wealth of evidence that these viewpoints were incorrect. The avian cerebrum has a large pallial territory that performs functions similar to those of the mammalian cortex. Although the avian pallium is nuclear, and the mammalian cortex is laminar in organization, the avian pallium supports cognitive abilities similar to, and for some species more advanced than, those of many mammals. To eliminate these misconceptions, an international forum of neuroscientists (BOX 1) has, for the first time in 100 years, developed new terminology that more accurately reflects our current understanding of the avian cerebrum and its homologies with mammals. This change in terminology is part of a new understanding of vertebrate brain evolution.

The apparent pallial relationships between these mammalian and avian brain regions were also supported by molecular embryology studies28,68,69. During development, both the avian hyperstriatum and neostriatum and the mammalian pallium express the pallium-specific transcription factors EMX1, PAX6 and TBR1. The developmental data led to uncertainties about how much of the archistriatum is pallial28,30. However, comparisons of the expression of the brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF ) and the glutamate receptor mGluR2 in adult birds and mammals indicated that the entire avian archistriatum, as defined in brain atlases17,70, expresses these pallium-specific mRNAs34,36. Further studies of the comparative expression patterns of other glutamate receptors in adult birds and mammals36 support these conclusions. Together, these studies indicate that the avian hyperstriatum, neostriatum, and archistriatum might be homologous to mammalian pallial regions.

An example of how avian pallial and sub-pallial areas can interact to produce complex behaviour in the context of the new view of avian brain organization can be seen in the brain pathways that control learned vocal communication (FIG. 3). Most of the telencephalic auditory processing areas are in the pallium, adjacent to a smaller auditory area in the striatum (FIG. 3a). Likewise, most of the telencephalic vocal control nuclei are in the pallium, with one vocal nucleus in the striatum (FIG. 3b). The vocal nuclei that are involved in the production of learned vocalizations, including human speech in parrots111, make up a pathway that directly innervates brainstem motor neurons (FIG. 3b, black arrows). This vocal motor pathway is similar to mammalian motor corticobulbar pathways106. The vocal nuclei that are involved in the imitation of vocalizations form a pallial–basal ganglia–thalamic–pallial loop (FIG. 3b, white arrows). This vocal learning pathway is similar to mammalian cortical–basal ganglia–thalamic–cortical loops27,106,114, which are involved in motor learning, sensorimotor integration and addictive behaviours. Other avian sensory and motor systems that are used for cognitive behaviours share a common circuit organization with the auditory and vocal pathways63,64.


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