>5mg
>$142
>no bump

>>243295
Nice filename, OP, ya jackass

nb

>>243295

I don't even believe this pic should be lumped into actual MXE price discussion. It's like a sick april fools joke that never got taken down. Good MXE should be no more than $40, MAYBE $45 a gram tops. Period.

>>243334
Agreed. That said, I have seen it offered for hundreds of dollars per 10mg, etc. OP's pic might not be legitimate - but I've seen similar prices, offered by legitimate labs doing custom synthesis for research. To take that as "the price of MXE these days" is ridiculous, though.

Your price analysis is accurate.

>>243295

>5mg
>142.80

fuck am i reading.....

Best thing I know in that situation is just to close your eyes and try to sleep, sometimes I've been able to fall asleep a several hours in. The key is not to have anything distracting like music playing. If you are already tired you might as well try it.

Unfortunately, you'll most likely be awake for hours longer than you want to be.

Other drugs - sedatives, antihistamines, benzos - might help, but your mileage will vary.

The sleepless period ALWAYS lasts longer than the effective trip.

Close your eyes and try not to think of anything. If thoughts arise, keep asking yourself, "who is thinking this // who am I?"

And if you do drift off before the MXE stops having effects, you stand a good chance of having the best dreams of your life. I doubt alcohol will help much. Best of luck.

>>243343
For the morning - caffeine/nicotine, the usual.

Modafinil, adrafinil, and derivatives - like amphetamines, they'll get you through the day, at a cost. It is occasionally, emphatically worth it.

Otherwise, a threshold (~20mg) dose of MXE is stimulating and can carry you. Or grit your teeth, and wait.

The third is very different. Significantly less euphoria, less ability to move around, etc. I would go so far as to call it less "fun" although others will disagree. My experiences there have always been more serious, introspective, tripping. For that reason I'd recommend staying with a mid-strong 2nd. Enjoy it, get to know it, have fun before you shove off the deep end. With the weed, it's a solid night's entertainment.

>>243263
thanks for the input, man. however, when you said introspective, did you mean sort of like self exploration? I don't mean to compare DXM to DMT, Salvia, or other similar hallucinogens, but I've heard that DMT and Salvia are great for self exploration and I've wanted to try them for quite a while then. Not to "trip balls bro and get fucked up bro" but to just sit in a dark room and close my eyes and see what happens. Would third plateau be rewarding if I planned to self-explore or something like that, instead of sitting playing video games, or dancing, or whatever?

>>243265
Basically, a third has potential to Fuck with your mind hard, but it can be a good pleasant fucking, and usually is. Weed is lube.

A second plat would be more like foreplay, its fun and all, not as intense, but not as memorable.

>>243265
The second plat is more about inebriation and euphoria, totally focused on fun. The third is more "exploration" oriented, as you indicated. For better or worse.

I've been further with other dissociatives, but my third plats on DXM seemed to consist of "dying" over and over. Probably one of the least pleasant dissociative experiences, although plenty of others have found that dosage more rewarding.

>>243338

>>243339

Not sure if name changed, OP here.

I considered it a bit more, and after these two posts I think I've decided that for now I'm going to just try the 2nd plat high, because who doesn't like fun and euphoria? I can also save the other bottle for a second time.

Definitely going to be trying third plat in the future though, not sure how soon. Thanks so much for the help, guys.

>>243276

If it was really that simple don't you think that OP and others like him would go that route instead? Antidepressant drugs are not a magical fix-all as far as dopamine issues are concerned, take it from someone who has been there that sometimes the negative effects of these perfectly "safe" drugs you are touting are simply not worth it. MXE has has been found and documented to have legitimate antidepressant action, and and that makes it a legitimate form of therapy in my book.

>don't self medicate, you believing you NEED drug use to be happy really leads nowhere fast.

Aaaand how does that make it different from someone taking antidepressant drugs to be happy(er)? Oh I see they were prescribed by a licensed physician, so of course they must be better right? Because doctors always know best.

Please note I do make a distinction between someone using MXE or other dissociatives for recreation and those using it for treatment of depression. Someone just looking to get high isn't the same as someone using it in a controlled manner as a medication.

>>243281
antidepressant properties of ketamine (haven't seen any studies on MXE) last a very short time. and it's pretty misunderstood actually. it snaps someone out of a depression briefly cycle, but it's not an effective way to treat chronic depression.

antidepressants don't make someone who isn't depressed "happier". that's not how it works. depression is a "gain of function" disorder. it's not just "not enough dopamine". it's not just a deficit of activity in your brain, like it used to be assumed. it's actually excessive activity in certain areas.

>>243287
You agree with what you are saying. My point was that not everyone with depression wants to be put on the clinically acceptable antidepressant drugs and that there is (at least some) interest in the scientific community as to the us of alternative antidepressant therapies like ketamine and MXE.

I couldn't find any articles talking about MXE specifically, so maybe I was wrong that it has been documented for that. However I found an article talking about the use of ketamine as antidepressant therapy, and it just so happens that MXE has very similar action on NMDA Receptors.

>>243290

Forgot the link:
http://bipolarnews.org/?p=1369

>>243290
i agree with you that pharmaceutical companies are not always the answer. any time money is valued above the wellbeing of the human race is pretty sad. hopefully the world will wake up and stop restricting the research of inflict drugs in studies. for instance the couples therapy on MDMA was so ridiculously effective, and yet it went nowhere.

>>243219

Uh, no, spice is nothing like regular weed, two completely different drugs with extremely contrasting effects.

>>243236
that is very true, i didnt mean to say they were similar, but would it work well as a potentiator, or is it safe to mix the two? i know its kind of hard to answer the latter, seeing as the chemicals they use change frequently.

>>243254

I would recommend mixing them.

Why, I can't tell you, as I'm too high and drunk to bother.

Bump for you though so someone else can answer it or maybe I will tomorrow depending on how slow/dis/ is

>>243330
he's probably dead by now, don't bother.

>>243254
It will work as a potentiator - if you consider weed a potentiator - in pretty much the same way. If you're at all prone to anxiety, I'd avoid it, but yeah, it works.

Get some nitrous oxide ("whipped cream chargers" - amazon, headshops, porn shops), a cracker, and a balloon or two; makes the peak really interesting (~1 minute per charger, but feels like so much longer). Save a few for the comedown, as it brings the trip back up for awhile.

White grapefruit juice or Seville orange juice, maybe a liter, begin drinking earlier in the day. 5-htp (50-100mg, no more, as you risk serotonin syndrome) enhances it slightly.

Magnesium is a weak NMDA antagonist, but for some reason adversely affects the trip more than it helps. Not sure why.

Damiana "colors" the trip in a way that's hard to describe unless you've been there. It's a subtle effect, but also really worthwhile as it makes it more interesting and two dollars will buy all you will ever need to smoke. Get it from an herbalist, use google maps to find one or have it sent to you.

Cigarettes - not sure how they interact chemically. Not going to bother looking it up. Some say they enhance the trip, others claim the opposite. Fun to do while tripping, regardless.

Self potentiation - split large doses up into halves; take them an hour apart. The metabolites of the first dose competitively inhibit enzymes used to break down the second dose; more DXM evades first pass metabolism.

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>>243303
I'm going to second this guy, dis/psy combo is one of the best there is.
If you do shrooms the next day they'll be amplified by the dxm afterglow if you take them early enough in the day. The shrooms might have some subtle differences but nothing significant i would imagine.

>>243307

>dis/psy combo is one of the best there is

It seems like we can't repeat this enough. It really is amazing.

I haven't made a thread on here in months til today.
Thank you for the information guys. Will be a great next few days.

>>243319
Well somebody a couple days ago asked this exact question. Somebody will be robotripping at the same time as you, then the next day tripping on shrooms also, and you both came here for help. Far out, man.

>>243322
Makes sense sense thise is probably the most far out board in all of christendom

>>243311
>>243311
lol faggy fanderwich
lol parents

>>243313
you write like such a high school fag he assumed you lived with your parents while you go to high school.

>that sinking feeling when you notice you just used "you're" instead of "your"

I'm so tired right now.

>>243313
lol ebenezer nummercocke
lol lol
Have fun.

>>243311

>People using you're instead of your

I bet you kiss girls too don't you faggot

>>243325
haha nb

I've done DXM multiple times and even less than a bottle of robotussin containing gauf made me too nauseous to even move. I am experienced with the normal robonausea but have never experienced anything like that.

>>243315
for me i cant take guaf without puking, and i would never advocate taking anything but dxm only products.

However I have also read reports on this board who can take large doses with no nausea. Just test the waters, take like 200mg see how you feel after a while, redose if you don't feel to bad.

>>243315
I have a strong stomach and I can easily chug 16 ounces of syrup without vomiting.

Half a 4-ounce bottle's worth of gauifenesin makes me projectile vomit no matter how much I try not to. It doesn't bother me at all, though. Just making sure people don't find it is the unfun part. Moral of the story: You will vomit. Embrace the vomit.

My life would be complete if I were prescribed any DXM medication. Agent Lemon all day erryday. Somebody start coughing at me so I can get sick.

Gauf makes most all people extremely fucking nauseous, some people's bodies handle it better than others, but these are the exception to the rule.

it sucks don't do it p.s. it sucks dick not even think about it bornachorcho

nb for bornachorcho

Not even gonna try it, thanks for all the feed back. :)

For anyone wondering, I intend to stop my OTC abuse as of now, because this shit is just fucking me up too much. My brain is fried, I'm discoordinated, numbed physically and mentally, emotionally turbulent, exhausted as hell but that's probably from the lack of sleep. And when I say an addictive personality, I mean both my parents and their parents were alcoholics, coupled with fairly bad depression on my dads side.

>>243288

Okay, I'm not sure when you drank your white grapefruit juice - you're supposed to start earlier in the day, I think, and not right before the trip. I don't think your tolerance should be that much of an issue, given that you say you've dexed four times in the last two months. I'm not sure when the 'cityscapes' and so forth tend to kick in for people, but I would guess a high third plat at a minimum, more likely a full fourth. Hopefully someone has been there and can place it a little more accurately. I just never wanted to take that much (but I did experience significant visuals at a relatively low third plat).

Weight might have something to do with it. If you're much above, say, 160, don't expect to hit a 4th at 1080mg. With large doses, though, you can split them up by about an hour - half now, half later, or whatever - because DXM potentiates itself with the right timing (enzyme inhibition by metabolites of the first dose).

You want to be in a completely dark room and just lay there with closed eyes for the best visuals. In the unlikely event you've got something exotic, like a sensory dep chamber, even better. A ganzfeld might also work - not sure there.

DXM seems to elicit histamine release - "robo itch" - and you don't seem too affected, but that could be your issue. DPH nullifies those effects (as it is an antihistamine), so if it's only your last couple of trips you've gone without DPH, there's your answer.

The other dissociatives are generally much lighter on the body than DXM, at least in the short term (long-term K users can develop bladder issues, etc). Listen to your body - if you feel fried, let it recover (and I assure you, it will). You know that, of course - but if you intend to stop, per your last post, what's this all about?

About all I can come up with atm - good luck

>>243302

>DXM seems to elicit histamine release - "robo itch" - and you don't seem too affected, but that could be your issue.

In reference to the eyes.

Yeaaahh it's time to stop dexxing for you, OP. And especially DPH also; that's much worse. You really need to learn to stop your addictive personality. You aren't going to be an 18-year-old senior forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbhO7rsnAz0
Cheerleader by Grizzly Bear is my favorite /dis/ song :3
the album art and music is just so /dis/ to me

but i think im a little biased because colbert literally called them "the beach boys on cough syrup"

These guys remind me of k on acid

https://soundcloud.com/billy-captaindeepspacemanship-chrobak/for-ayko-and-kitty

>>243201
Post more things like this or more things you like

>>242990
This has become my most favorite album. I would call it ambient/psychedelic/downtempo in genre. It's a free download from bandcamp as well: http://zoungla.bandcamp.com/

(Note: I would begin playing this album just as you are coming up. Once the song "Release" comes on, I think you'll be feeling this album. Enjoy!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_cfkEiA9Jo

>>243300

>dissociative drugs are the most commonly and habitually used hallucinogenic drugs
>>>/mdma/
>>>/weed/
>Olney's Lesions

lel

>monitor our use

top lel

I appreciate you typing out a long and thorough post, but you could have just asked "Hey guys, will I get Olney's lesions?" to which you already know we'll say "No; chug more syrup."

you gcan only post in this thread if your really gukred up

>>243294
sober for at least another week then goin 1416mg dxm