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NAUSEA by Albert Sunderfick - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:14:01 EST ID:Qt58CjR7 No.356580 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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how do i combat the nausea meme, i used to be ok at keeping the shit down but now i just projectile vomit as soon as i start coming up
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Priscilla Beffingworth - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:21:25 EST ID:ww+fm8dW No.356583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know. I'm the opposite. I used to vomit every time, now I don't vomit. I always thought it got easier.
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Molly Dasslenit - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:25:48 EST ID:7DPewo7l No.356584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>356580
It's always hit or miss for me sometimes I get sick, then liquid shits the next day, and sometimes I don't, then I'm constipated the next day.

Only solution I've found to beat the nausea is a nice benzo before the Dex. But be careful with this, I've made an ass out of myself a few times by blacking out, dosing my robo, forgetting or not caring, then going on a walk usually to buy more robo
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Oliver Puzzlepet - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:40:12 EST ID:Yp0OGhOz No.356597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356580
Well I have found that taking some beano right before dosing can help a lot. Also a benadryl might help or I guess should help considering first generation antihistamines are used as anti-emetics all the time. Beware though, while antihistamines can help they also potentiate the DXM.
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Jarvis Furringway - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:24:16 EST ID:arDQEB2E No.356637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356583

Same. I used to vomit every single time when I first started. Now I don't even get nauseous.

Then again, I always used to drink syrup. Now I exclusively take gels.


Best DCK Starting Dose? by Emma Seblingstut - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:22:13 EST ID:arDQEB2E No.356550 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm gonna be ordering some DCK soon and I was wondering what a good starting dose would be for someone who has a tolerance to dissociative and has extensive experience with DXM and a little experience with Ketamine.

Das pretty much it, fam.

>SLAYER and thanks in advance
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Betsy Hemmlehudging - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:56:59 EST ID:SGcxEJsH No.356555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356550 depends how you're going to consume, but try 30 mg orally and redose 15mg nasally in an hour and see how that gets you.
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Emma Seblingstut - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 02:07:40 EST ID:arDQEB2E No.356558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356555
I figured sniffing it would be easier but I have no idea how to use it. I'd assume eating it or sniffing it would be the best optiom
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Fucking Dartspear - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 02:27:08 EST ID:YOgaOVAj No.356559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I personally favor plugging over sniffing, but 9/10 I do it nasal so that I can get that sweet nose gratification.

But uh, my vote goes for 100 mg taken in 50 mg increments. But then again my tolerance might make me a not-very-credible source
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Hugh Shittingridge - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:57:55 EST ID:yVyr2UVT No.356577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not OP but do the different ROA's feel different with DCK as they did with MXE? I remember every route of ingesting MXE way back in the day had a different set of effects.

If it is different, how is oral/sublingual DCK?
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Edward Blagglesure - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:08:28 EST ID:+LdGW9Qc No.356632 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356577

I once did a hefty redosing orally (2 40-60mg doses. Second was after the first peak). For some reason the duration of the second peak got extended so much that I was still on comedown after 10-12hours after the second dose


1800mg dose during hurricane Irma by Martha Pallystock - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 13:58:51 EST ID:U2WOX3/r No.356375 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I have a pretty interesting story to tell.

Last month, I decided to go to rehab.
I had been completely sober for about four months, but relapsed on Klonopin and Dilaudid. I was homeless, broke, and depressed so I made the decision to go into treatment.
I was able to get into a place in Lake Worth, FL but I had 3 days before they could come get me and verify insurance and all that jazz.
With the last of my money, I got a hotel for two nights in Boca Raton, a little bit of food, and 8 bottles of dollar store gel caps.
The first night at the hotel I slow dosed 4 bottles (900ng) had a decent trip, right in the border of 2nd and 3rd plat (I've been heavily using dxm for 7 years so I have a crazy tolerance).
At around noon the following day I was afterglowing heavily and started to slow dose 675ngs. It was an e en better trip due to the potentiation of the previous nights dose, solid 3rd plat experience. It had been several years since I have been able to hit the 3rd plat so I was thrilled.
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So I had been awake for over 48 hours now and was extremely intoxicated from the past two days, and I realized that I had to check out of the hotel.
I had about 4 hours between check out and when the treatment center could come pick me up, so I ate the last bottle of gels (225mg) and headed for the beach.
Again, due to potentiation, it hit me hard. I met a guy on the beach who offered me a few hits off his joint +I love people in Boca) and spent a few hours swimming and meditating on the beach.
Finally, I got the call. I was so fucked up that it took me awhile to find the driver, but I eventually did and we started heading south.
"So what have you been taking?" He asked.
"Opiates and benzos, but I've been binging on dxm for a few days " I replied.
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Thomas Pottingdone - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:42:09 EST ID:IqgnmU+/ No.356509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356508
But none quite so much as your positivity and optimism.
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Nicholas Shittingfuck - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:56:09 EST ID:p97HjB3E No.356525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356509
no it's called tough love bruh. it totally works. basil changes lives with a single post.
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Cedric Buzzwill - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 05:03:39 EST ID:Tr+0tvZX No.356562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356502
it can be seen as nonsense. rehab tries to leverage on some parts of the human personality, but the problem is that not everybody has the same one, so it might seem like nonsense to some.
Rehab serves the purpose of giving input to somebody so that they "click" internally and finally understand that daily dosing has nothing to give, so that they can go without drugs or just taking them occasionally (i'm talking 1 month in between usage of drugs in the same category).
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Hedda Memmerfoot - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:57:16 EST ID:U2WOX3/r No.356569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356502
OP here
I don't know about dying in less than a decade, but you were right about me relapsing.

Oh well.
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Eliza Hoffingtere - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:34:12 EST ID:Tr+0tvZX No.356582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356569
It's pretty straightforward when you think about it: if you don't give a shit about quitting, you won't ever quit. You *might* reduce usage if you give a shit about health and getting shit done and also money, but that's going to be as better as it'll get. Which is not necessarely a bad thing if you take the right conclusions.


302 warning mane by Samuel Drovinghed - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:04:35 EST ID:qJrRLvuF No.356527 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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8 days ago I came into one of my college classes high on cough syrup; I became ill and wanted to go to the Nurse, who then proceeded to deem the two bottles of robitussin gelcaps i had imbibed as a "suicide attempt" . She 302'd me :
Involuntary Commitment (aka “a 302”) An involuntary commitment is an application for emergency evaluation and treatment for a person who is dangerous to themselves or others due to a mental illness.
So while I was high I answered the questions about suicide, crassly....to put it mildly. I am not suicidal, and I did not take the cough syrup to kill myself; despite this:
I spent 5 days in a hospital where I could not leave the room I was in and had to have a nurse watching me constantly.
I then spent 3 days in an actual mental clinic, which while better than lying in a hospital bed, was still a loss of freedom.
I've learned a lot from the experience. I mature'd da fuck up.
My token advice? Be wary of what you say when you are inebriated, all it takes is one "concerned" individual, and you too could be 302'd.
Better to not lose control in the first place:
#straightedge lifestyle here I come.
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Barnaby Feppershit - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 07:51:52 EST ID:fTQnMToi No.356542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
op in a month:
>i won't do anything that stupid again, but this single bottle won't hurt now heh
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John Borringforth - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:37:54 EST ID:wRsjWFt6 No.356543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356542
so much this
lol
we all been there
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Fucking Fevingpack - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:18:24 EST ID:jCabIawJ No.356545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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nigga maybe just get dissd after class.

cmon now fam.
dont make panda bear disappoint....keep getting dissd but do so responsibly k.
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William Nobbernadge - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:59:46 EST ID:7DPewo7l No.356549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ya it took me a while to learn to diss responsibly too but for real it's so much better when you don't have the thought of real world troubles like I don't know, having to be in public on dxm, in the back of your mind. That one always seemed like a no brainer to me
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Albert Sunderfick - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:11:37 EST ID:Qt58CjR7 No.356579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>going to class on DXM
nigga you couldve stayed home and learned about as much


Dxm migraine by Emma Pillerpodge - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 02:58:53 EST ID:l0ciCWnK No.356299 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone else get these? When i use dxm i more often than not get a serious migraine at some point. Its like a pressure on the sides or front of my head. Some people describe it as feeling like its empty or like there is holes in your brain and i fully agree. It can also feel like there is some unseen force trying to crush my skull. Does anyone else get this when they do dxm? I tried looking it up and found a few rwsults but there wasnt too much on it. Whats your exoerience with dxm headaches?
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Thomas Clurringstone - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:53:56 EST ID:sjql3eTW No.356458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
got a weird ringing in my ear on my afterglow after my firt legit 900mg but i was also smoking hella weed (I know ironic)
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Jarvis Facklebene - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 14:02:28 EST ID:ySUWi8NQ No.356479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Are you drinking enough water?
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Basil Saffingwill - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:45:43 EST ID:fTQnMToi No.356501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
could be blood pressure going through the roof
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Fanny Noffingdock - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:31:04 EST ID:tk4VI4I5 No.356572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356299
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Fanny Noffingdock - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:35:37 EST ID:tk4VI4I5 No.356573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356299
Migraine headaches are almost invariably unilateral in presentation. This sounds like something else. I've gotten headaches before on DXM but usually they don't last very long and often happen to me during the transition from 2nd to 3rd plat.


>>356572
whoops, finger slipped.


I want to go there again. by Betsy Snodshaw - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 02:00:19 EST ID:MRPexWuG No.356468 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi friends.
I haven't done DXM in a long time. I'm 24 now and the last time I did it was when I was 16. I thoroughly enjoyed every time, and did a whole lot of research into it to be sure I was safe.

However, when I turned about 20 I started on anti-depressants, and though it was easy enough to find info about serotonin syndrome, I'm now on new medication and I'm having trouble finding anything concrete, especially in regards to recreational use.

I take 175mg Venlafaxine (Effexor) daily, as well as 50mg quetiapine (Quetapel) at night to sleep. I really miss the high and would like to revisit it someday, is that possible on these medications? I'm quite sensitive to DXM too, my high (high 2nd plat to low 3rd plat) will usually last about a day and a half and the afterglow will stay around for almost a week.

Also in saying this, I recently tried what I believe was DMT while on these medications. I felt the dissociation but nothing intense really happened, hence my skepticism. My friends who did it with me saw some things, even on lower doses than the rest of us, one even went full seizure mode. Is my medication blocking my - to put it generally - 'third eye'? I get more CEV on pot nowadays..

Just tell it to me straight, doc. Can I ever go back?
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Hugh Bivingnitch - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:59:34 EST ID:IqgnmU+/ No.356521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356519
MDMA is just a waste of time if you're on SSRIs or SNRIs. Seriously, your friends will be gurning and PLURed out of their heads and you'll just be sitting there like 'ho hum'.

at 50mg of seroquel you'd probably only need to skip one dose. My friend on 1200mg only skipped a night or maybe 2 before we tripped, and that's extended release stuff. He probably did have to take more but he was still tripping balls from 2.5tabs.
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Hugh Bivingnitch - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:25:00 EST ID:IqgnmU+/ No.356522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356519
My last response was a bit unclear, I'd just take the venlafaxine as normal and skip it the day you do DXM and probably not worry about it any days you're still tripping.
It's probably not a big deal either way though.
As for MDMA even taking a few days off your meds will still leave you with reduced effects in my experience.
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Ebenezer Gizzlenodge - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:05:29 EST ID:FlnTFRXn No.356523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356468
No idea about the science but I did dex too many times to count during my youth while I was on various SSRIs including effexor and in retrospect my trips were wayy more intense at the lower plats but the higher regions never really changed
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Sophie Smallfield - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:58:18 EST ID:tk4VI4I5 No.356570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>356523
this is an oversimplification but it's the basic idea.
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Ebenezer Ciddlewater - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:27:39 EST ID:QJR3IVHE No.356571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i'd say that at lower plats the effects of the CYP2D6 potentiation would be more readily evident?


MXM by Jenny Gondlechine - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:52:39 EST ID:rW4WFf+S No.356556 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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a little birdie told me they're going to try a an mxm synth in a few months... I'll update if they're successful and i try it. I've done it before it's like MXE but way more sedative
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Fucking Dartspear - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 02:29:03 EST ID:YOgaOVAj No.356560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have reoccuring dreams of doing MXM for some reason. Never done it in my life, but I've done almost every other dissociative out there and a sedating MXE sounds absolutely perfect to me
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Martin Pittbury - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:58:47 EST ID:VSFX8RSi No.356567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's fucking awesome! I loved MXM, I did about a gram of it in the short window when it was available. It was really euphoric and wonderful, though I found it to be much more stimulating than MXE as opposed to sedating, but that's fine as well. It was probably the most euphoric dissociative I've ever tried and I fucking loved it.

If it comes around and is roughly as expensive as MXE was before it was banned ($30-$35/g and below) that would be fucking amazing. This is excellent news!
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Phineas Gugglewug - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:58:59 EST ID:MgNiozuH No.356568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's fucking awesome! I loved MXM, I did about a gram of it in the short window when it was available. It was really euphoric and wonderful, though I found it to be much more stimulating than MXE as opposed to sedating, but that's fine as well. It was probably the most euphoric dissociative I've ever tried and I fucking loved it.

If it comes around and is roughly as expensive as MXE was before it was banned ($30-$35/g and below) that would be fucking amazing. This is excellent news!


liver damage by Simon Cugglemadge - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:09:40 EST ID:dTgeqs0X No.356531 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have to take 60 DXM pills to get high. Why is it that this doesn't damage my liver but if I try to unsuccessfully kill myself by taking 60 pills of xanax, it will damage my liver?
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Cedric Bendermatch - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:54:33 EST ID:Yp0OGhOz No.356534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356533
Its a dissociative psychedelic bro not empathenogenic, though it does share some qualities.
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Thomas Drummledock - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:20:34 EST ID:VSFX8RSi No.356547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're different drugs with different metabolites and different effects on the liver when taken at their very different active doses? What a stupid fucking question.

Why is it that I can snort five grams of cocaine and suffer a heart attack but I can ingest five grams of kratom and be perfectly fine? Hmmm...
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Nicholas Dubbleshaw - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:28:39 EST ID:IqgnmU+/ No.356551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356531
>60 pills of xanax will damage my liver

Citation needed.
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Alice Faddletuck - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:35:56 EST ID:s/LsdI2k No.356553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why water help but cyanide no good?
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Henry Seddlemune - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:36:52 EST ID:QJR3IVHE No.356588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why i wanna suck kock but dudes are ugly


DCK any good? by Emma Tillingwater - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:55:50 EST ID:yLLfwCFh No.356524 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
Been years /dis/, but I'm here.

Last time I was on my /dis/ tip, 3-MeO-PCP and MXE were still plentiful. It seems for the most part, they are slightly less prevalent, and now DCK (deschloroketamine) has taken the stage.

Read up a little bit on it, and unsure of whether or not I want to get into it. Only reason I'm considering it is because of a recent surge in Ketamine prices, that makes it expensive to a point to where it is questionably worth it.

What's the deal?
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Phoebe Demmerspear - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:08:36 EST ID:FDw4oep4 No.356529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356524
It's cool but i dont fuck with it no more cus its lacking in comparison to other chemicals
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Henry Blashridge - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:08:26 EST ID:zjoHF0AD No.356536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356524
I was never a huge fan of 3meopcp.
DCK is very similar in effect to ketamine so if you enjoy it I suggest you give it a try.
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Caroline Clarringsedge - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:35:37 EST ID:t2C+bEKV No.356538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
3-MEO-PCP is still around and it's still awesome. I'm on 17mg atm and enjoying it.

As for DCK it's pretty great if you get a good batch. It has a similar potency to MXE but slightly less potent. The price seems to have gone up on it as well, though so it's not as worth it as it used to be. As long as you know the vendor has a good batch, though, which you can find out through a number of different vectors which I won't mention due to sourcing rules, you should be good. Good DCK is heavenly, kind of like a more Ketamine-like MXE. Less stimulating than MXE but still rather stimulating and fairly long lasting at 3-5 hours total typically.

You could also look into 2-fluoroketamine aka 2-fluorodeschloroketamine. It has roughly the same potency as Ketamine and is a little longer lasting with roughly the same effects as good ol' K. I haven't tried it currently but everyone that I've read about who has seems to love it as much as K. I paid about $75 for a gram of it and I should be trying it fairly soon. You can get it cheaper than that but I didn't feel like buying larger amounts.

There's also O-PCE which is somewhat harder to find, but it's basically MXE without the methoxy on the 3 position. It's significantly more potent than MXE, with potency similar to 3-MEO-PCP, but it lacks some of the euphoria of MXE as well. That said though it's a very clean and enjoyable dissociative that's very fun to hole on. I'm also getting some of that. I can't wait as I haven't tried it in almost a year.


Last Donut of the Night by Jenny Fipperket - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:13:54 EST ID:1AFDob7F No.356513 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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After I move to a new city in a couple days I'll be having the last trippy experience in a long time.

Got two tabs of LSD. Do you think I should pair them with a ~350mg bottle of DXM or have more fun on just the psychedelics? Keep in mind I can't smoke at the moment and I'm doing stuff like walking around, watching shows/movies and playing instruments. What say ye
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Frederick Pezzleway - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 01:44:41 EST ID:Xh6hBk/3 No.356515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356513
take the DXM.

dxm lsd combo is world renouned for its pleasant vibes and intense visuals


Pleasant dxm trip by Wesley Parringstone - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:39:23 EST ID:Gq1kdvyF No.356507 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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hi l i took some dxm for the first time in months, used to abuse it a lot so i took a break and i finally felt ready to try it again. I was excited but iwas dreading the unpleasantness, the intense ear ringing, headaches, stomache pains, etc. I tried to take every measure i could to make it pleasant and it paid off because it was probably the best trip ive ever had. After ingesting 708mgs dxm hbr in gel tab form i drank an approximately equivalent dose of chamomile tea made with some loose leaf flowers i bought on amazon. I think this is the main thing that made the trip so positive but i also ate a small amount of food and smoked a little bit of weed. throughout the trip i was able to relax fully and enjoy the dissociation without writhing in pain. I know not everyone has issues with physical discomfort on dxm but i hope theres some useful information here for those of you that do
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Lydia Fecklenod - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:46:49 EST ID:Yp0OGhOz No.356514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356507
Something else worth noting man, beano. Since it's an enzyme it has literally no known medical interactions and it has helped me in the past.
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Alice Faddletuck - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:38:47 EST ID:s/LsdI2k No.356554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356507
i dont have these problems but its cool you shared to help people out, nb


DXM by Martin Pullywock - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:01:15 EST ID:OWrQiO+E No.356480 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Some years ago (5-6) I was doing a lot of DXM, I did it once a week for a long time. I got to a point where it barely had any effect on me other than vomiting (I took it in a form of pills, pic related) and feeling bad. I remember reading that DXM has a limit of a few dozen trips and after that something in your brain gets depleted and you can never have a real trip again. Is that right or can you do something to make it happen again, especially after such a long time?
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Hamilton Honeydock - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:03:25 EST ID:IqgnmU+/ No.356481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356480
Sounds like bullshit to me. I've definitely tripped >100 times and it still works. Tolerance definitely builds if you do it regularly though.
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Jarvis Millyfadging - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:06:34 EST ID:arDQEB2E No.356484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, that's just not true. Like the poster before me said, I've tripped well over 100, maybe even over 200 times, and the only thing I've noticed is my tolerance growing hardcore, and the magic has disappeared, at least unless I take a third plateau dose.
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Fuck Shakebury - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:49:36 EST ID:jOcJbvR3 No.356490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yeah thats "the magic" op.
a lot of people lose it, but with enough persistence and learning how to dose you can get it back and more.
but there is definitely dxm burnout, and if you're doing 50+ trips, it should be expected that you're probably altering your brain's chemistry.
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Betsy Buzzbury - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:23:11 EST ID:iEpKU+X8 No.356504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356480
>DXM has a limit of a few dozen trips

I call that legit bullshit after regular 3 year use and around half a pound of consumed dxm in total I can say this is bs

you just have to take care of your everyday physical and mental health, do breaks once in a while to flush out metabolites and reset your brain chemestry
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Thomas Pottingdone - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:44:56 EST ID:IqgnmU+/ No.356505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356490
>if you're doing 50+ trips, it should be expected that you're probably altering your brain's chemistry.

If you do one trip you're altering your brain's chemistry, that's how it works. If you mean permanently though then it probably matters a lot over what period you do those 50 trips.


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