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What does /dis/ feel like by Thomas Greenworth - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 18:44:20 EST ID:+aI1NmPk No.355833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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How would you describe dissociatives to someone who has a lot of experience with psychedelics but hasn't taken other classes of hallucinogens?
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Alice Fimmlenog - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 18:56:44 EST ID:STBPNkxU No.355834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>355833
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Henry Soblingbet - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 19:01:27 EST ID:Qt58CjR7 No.355835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355833
/dis/ is like the inverse of /psy/, psychadelics make you look outward but dissociatives turn you inward towards your mind & away from ur body
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Alice Fimmlenog - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 19:05:45 EST ID:STBPNkxU No.355836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355835
/dis/ > /psy/

nb
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Eugene Crublingwut - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 20:03:35 EST ID:W19QxMAc No.355841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355835
I have the exact opposite experience.
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Edwin Dicklefield - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 20:27:48 EST ID:d68KyGEl No.355842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>355835
I agree that dissociatives are inverse to psychedelics, but I would say the fundamental factor differentiating the two is the effect each has on perceptual and conceptual barriers. I.e.- psychedelics break down barriers between ordinarily separate perceptions and thoughts and feelings, whereas dissociatives put more barriers up. To put the idea into perspective, I would say that psychedelics could just as well be called or described as "associatives". I think thoughts and feelings seem so profound and significant on psychedelics, largely because of the sheer volume of other thoughts and feelings that suddenly appear so interconnected and relevant to each other- in other words, they are broadly *associable*. On dissociatives, the phenomenon is the opposite. Thoughts, feelings, and sensations are heavily filtered, such that the few perceptions that do pierce the filters- to be noticed at the surface of consciousness- get undivided attention, and as a result seem to be overwhelmingly significant. Whatever does hold your attention on dissociatives seems to be the most important and meaningful thing in the world at the time.
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Charles Blanningwell - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 23:46:18 EST ID:saV+w2JM No.355848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355836
Lol why would you make a statement thats totally opinion based and irrelevant to the thread question and then type nb like you actually did something
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Betsy Curryhall - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 00:18:28 EST ID:bBbM9Fwz No.355850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355842
This, and also through dissociation you can recognize that two or more things that you thought were the same thing are actually two or more associated things, and sometimes that the association isn't actually there but only exists in your mind. It sort of makes everything appear more objective because you lose some of your biases (associations) on a visceral, perceptual level. You see behaviors that you thought were totally normal, you see physical features that you thought were totally normal, and you realize how strange they actually are when you see them in a way that is closer to what they are. By breaking out of these sort of standardized patterns that your mind goes through routinely, it is free to seek out new patterns to form which may have been excluded by the previous ones. Then when the drug wears off they sort of coexist. Like shutting a valve so that water can flow to a previously unused pipe, then reopening it and having water in both valves. The new pattern can assert itself over the old or the old can continue to assert itself with reinforcement from preexisting biases.

This seems to be more true for DXM than ketamine, imo, and so it also has more utility than ketamine (and more potential for harmful cognitive effects if misused), except ketamine is a much more fantastic antidepressant and existential dread alleviator. The dissociation provided by ketamine is so complete that there isn't as much room for forming new associations in my experience, it's more like seeing a map of your subconscious in real time.
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Polly Fandlewater - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 03:51:28 EST ID:sWQ+Psgy No.355852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dissociatives feel more blunt and solid, less fluid and organic.

Psychedelics make me reflect on my personality, my place in this world, and how to improve them. They also make me contemplate the weirdness of society and the nature of thought itself, usually while I swing from one emotional extreme to another. (Actually, they did this until I went through a period of using /psy/s in isolation on a greater-than-weekly basis, while depressed and abusing other more harmful drugs. Now, /psy/s make me want to do destructive and blatantly evil things for no reason other than being crazy, so I avoid them.).

/dis/ causes normal actions and customs to feel awkward and distorted, as well as numbing me emotionally and physically. They remove the "humanity" from myself and other people, so all faces tend to look similar and most biological/sexual shit becomes unappealing. /dis/ visuals and sensations are much more internal; when I close my eyes while listening to music, I often see primitive shapes and scenery influenced by the rhythm and feel myself being pulled/twisted in different directions as dictated by the music. Intense dissociation also gives feelings of vastness, like I'm moving through large, empty spaces.

Watching a good movie or listening to an album with a consistent message or concept while /dis/sed makes me feel immersed and interested in the aesthetic that the director or artist puts forth. Doing the same thing on /psy/s causes more of an emotional response and a feeling of profoundness.
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Charles Chumbledidge - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 09:37:20 EST ID:xHXiPf/S No.355855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Psychedelics feel like going to another planet. Dissociatives feel like going home.
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Basil Bludgefeck - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 15:47:38 EST ID:l0ciCWnK No.355860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355855

And mixing thrm together is like youve died and gone to heaven.
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Augustus Honeyshaw - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 12:17:29 EST ID:AjRVkjvn No.355872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355860
damn this is pretty spot on

LSD + 2cb + ket felt as if all my life was just a build up for this moment. everything I did, all the decisions I took, everything just came down to this moment. as strong and mind twisting of an experience as achieving ego death on a heavy psychedelic dose. pretty fucking cool if you ask me.
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Charles Fanridge - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 10:00:13 EST ID:XdO7/PgQ No.355897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355833
it feels dissociated
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Doris Gabberwell - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 20:34:16 EST ID:IqgnmU+/ No.355905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>355842
>>355848

I kind of disagree. Dissociatives, especially DXM, have caused me to make a lot more associations that aren't there than psychadelics every did.
I have had objects come to embody concepts while tripping... it's very strange and confusing (kind of interesting too).

Also, as someone on here said a while ago, dissociation is like turning off autopilot on your meat puppet. Actions that are normally entirely or partly automatic have to be performed entirely manually. Synesthesia is also pretty pronounced especially with music. Music feels like a physical force and or has colours/tastes. It feels like everything went silent at some point that you didn't notice and you can hear the tiniest noises.

I find the headspace makes it far harder/less likely to get anxious and/or have a bad trip in comparison to /psy/ (though it can happen, especially with weed in the mix).
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Simon Geshhood - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:33:14 EST ID:Nhw5U/yD No.355938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>355855
this is oddly accurate, /psy/ makes everything new and interesting and you feel "weird". with dis theres a lot less overt bizarreness.

/psy/ is like zooming out on your conciousness, making it seem more vast., /dis/ is like zooming in to a microscopic level but everything seems just as vast cause now youre seeing all the little intricacies of the inner realm or whatever the fuck you wanna call it. I don't know lol.
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Matilda Drunningset - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:23:09 EST ID:0gW7jvhL No.355943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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this is what dis feels like
pic related
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Alice Hoddleman - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:56:28 EST ID:FCsxyGwb No.355993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355833
Umm. Pretty fucking good, I'd say.
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Alice Hoddleman - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:00:01 EST ID:FCsxyGwb No.355994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355993
But in all realness I always liken /dis/ to what might happen if psychedelics and opiates had a baby. It's calming and sedative, and what was a nod becomes a hole, but that hole is trippy as shit, and so is the rest of the experience at almost any dose. It's just not in the /psy/ colorful fractal trippy way. Size and shape make no sense, and spacial awareness is gone. Lilliputian hallucinations are v common.
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William Chimmlebury - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:13:51 EST ID:0gW7jvhL No.355995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>355994
so much this ^^^^^^
this why i love dis so much also the hallucinations you get a dream like and not some random fractals as with LSD
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Molly Fuckingworth - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 13:17:44 EST ID:WOAMjuUx No.356019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>355855
For me psychedelics make me feel like im returning home, but I am uncomfortable and antsy with my home

Dis feels like im going to another strange planet, or universe. But I am okay staying there forever
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Nell Dorryshaw - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 22:05:04 EST ID:llMeewE9 No.356023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To me /dis/ feels like I am connected to god. It's become a very spiritual thing for me. I don't actually believe in spirits, or "god," but the feelings I get from dxm in particular are absolutely divine.

It's like reaching out to the great beyond and suddenly knowing that this void is where you always were. I always described it to close friends that it felt like whatever was going on with those sensations was also a part of my ordinary reality, but I just had trouble tuning into it. I've gotten into meditating a lot lately, more now when I'm on dxm, and it's really changing my life.
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Henry Buzzman - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:27:04 EST ID:yr+Qp+Ol No.356066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>355994
>if psychedelics and opiates had a baby
yep, DXM is unfortunately the only /dis/ I've done but there is a distinct euphoria that I don't get from anything besides that and opiates. It's obviously not as euphoric as some good old heroin, but it's definitely there along with the trippy aspects so overall it's a better experience than opiates for me


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