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Post Mxepocalypse by Charles Chavingpire - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:43:51 EST ID:Id1j6F/o No.356987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey, /dis/. I'm feeling depressed and nostalgic. Ever since MXE left us, I haven't found a single good drug worth having a crippling addiction for. All of the other /dis/ RCs out there fucking suck. Either they barely get you high, get you so manic and fucked up you turn into a terrible person, or they get you decently high, but it's not even fun and lasts wayyy too long.

Is there really nothing out there that gets you really fucked up, doesn't make you do stupid shit, and only lasts like 3-5 hours? I know ketamine sort of fits the bill, but it's incredibly hard to find out here, it's way overpriced when you do, and it's rarely even remotely pure.
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Clara Chillershaw - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 16:21:03 EST ID:BPsfH5pP No.356988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I actually prefer DCK to MXE, cuz it has all the things I like (immersion, sedation) without the things I dont like (stimulation, addiction potential, mania) not to mention a much more delirious and vivid hole. Don't get me wrong though, I miss MXE dearly and regard it as an objectively perfect drug.
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Charles Chavingpire - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 16:33:23 EST ID:Id1j6F/o No.356989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I heard that DCK can make you go a little crazy. I'm trying to not repeat the clusterfuck that was 3-MeO-PCP.
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Caroline Panningshit - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 22:32:50 EST ID:Vl1u5iqX No.357050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356989

3-meo-pcp definitely made me crazy for a while as well. If you've never tried DCK, I definitely recommend it if you're looking for something to take MXE's spot. I've done my fair share of all three chemicals in this post, and DCK is the least crazy one.

You'll probably get addicted as fuck though, so take the necessary precautions
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Caroline Panningshit - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 22:34:53 EST ID:Vl1u5iqX No.357051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357050

And by "crazy" I mean it doesn't cause extended mania/paranoia/general insanity. You'll definitely walk through walls and commune with the spirit realm though.
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George Clerringstock - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 09:52:01 EST ID:yVyr2UVT No.357067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>356988
Man DCK can get manic as fuck, until you get a tolerance. I went on autopilot and broke a standing floor lamp i own. I was upstairs, i remember walking upstairs, then i remember staring at this thing on the ground like "oh shit yeah that looks like something broken and important, oh god that is a lamp". I was disgusted with myself dude. Never take that shit lightly. That and the afterglow lasts for ages, you walk around the next day feeling more wobbly than a DXM afterglow.

MXE was... MXE was... perfect. It didn't mess with my sleep, eating or friendships. I read a lot, my grades were better, i met new people but wasn't hypersocial, i was calm and collected. Interesting. It never once made me feel even the slightest bit manic, unless combined with psys which i rarely did. You could push it to the limit and never feel out of control, never feel side any side effects. Would it have been like this if i used it for longer? Who knows. It is the only drug where i could say i would have been content using without combining it with anything or needing anything else to deal with the side effects. I miss you MXE.

Countries are smart dude. Yeah lets ban this chemical, that will stop the commies and the hippies. Little do they know everyone switched to PCP analogs and are going full niggermode because they don't know what else to use. Or switching back to K, which is more unhealthy than MXE.
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Thomas Honningnutch - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 08:49:09 EST ID:4uhqwMcg No.357106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is MXE really hard to produce or something? I can't believe there wouldn't be someone making it and putting it on the darknet considering its almost legendary status as the perfect drug to many people.
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Martha Mengerhetch - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 12:05:14 EST ID:Cql9N8mC No.357110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357106
It actually is hard to produce the MXE that feels the best, while mxe itself isnt that hard to make its positioning of the rings and other systems and its hard to make it conform into the correct R/S ratio (similar to R or S ket) that feels best. on top of that MXE was SCHEDULED at the UN level meaning its one of the few drugs to have been added to the UN list of banned or otherwise illegal chemicals. Hence why basically no country will touch the stuff anymore because its one of the only drugs in existence to be added to the UN's list of banned chems since the UN made a list of internationally banned chems.
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Oliver Brobbershit - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:34:20 EST ID:xG7vqRBV No.357318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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singlehandedly the most depressing thing in my life. mxe was the perfect drug for me. i abused it 24/7 and was never sober from it for long periods of time, and yet those were some of the most productive, responsible, happy times of my life. since mxe disappeared i became an opiate addict (and recovered) but i still feel empty inside knowing that mxe is no more. i'm so desperately awaiting the day of it's resurgence. mxe makes life actually feel like it's worth living to me.
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Phyllis Breckledale - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:01:53 EST ID:FDw4oep4 No.357328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357318

It's kinda sad that I have to completely agree with you.

I was on that shit all day for months on end. Was the most amazing mystical years of my life.
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Jack Hengershit - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:12:11 EST ID:xG7vqRBV No.357334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357328
>>357328
i felt what it was like to be god man. how am i supposed to adapt to real life?
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Phyllis Breckledale - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:52:30 EST ID:FDw4oep4 No.357335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357334
Don't know man I've had that realization that I was everything and I created the universe on a fourth plat dxm trip.

Of course that feeling of "undoubtedly knowing" dissipated as soon as I came out of the hole.

The first thing that crossed my mind is that Inception is life essentially.

It's hard cus you always got that nagging feeling that "that" reality is more real than this one.

Crazy shit.
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Esther Wummlepore - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:31:54 EST ID:49w7ZRdD No.357398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just give it time and someone will fill the void. Happened with LSD way back in the days, its gonna happen again with MXE. It has gained a cult following strong enough to just be left in a void.
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Archie Bublingtidge - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:41:55 EST ID:jsTtokN+ No.357404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357334
>>357335
You did and you didn't. Just know that you lack that power now in this version of consciousness and what you are doing contributes to where we are all going. Being locked in this vicious cycle of permanent evolution at some point of advancement to look back will be to experience it and to think is to know is to do.
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Caroline Snodlock - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 06:08:14 EST ID:cuy+P/Od No.357455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Way too much romanticism going on in this thread. Yeah MXE was my favorite drug too, but yall are hyping up that honeymoon period like crazy. If it ever does come back, you guys are gonna be dissappointed having expectations like that.
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Esther Faddleneg - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 06:21:33 EST ID:L2nf9aIq No.357456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357110
The UN can't die quick enough.
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Ian Fanspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:36:36 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
3-HO-PCP is the first dissociative I've tried since MXE that I've liked for pretty much every single reason I've liked MXE for.

It's still not quite the same, but oh my god this shit is amazing still.

It's a tad shorter lasting, less stimulating than MXE, but it has that same, magical feeling and just oh my wooorrrd, it is so fine. It's even more visual than MXE too, which was the only real downside to MXE imo. MXE was pretty damn visual but compared to Ketamine, 3-MEO-PCP (in the dark at least), and even DXM, it was somewhat lacking.

3-HO-PCP is not functional in the slightest like 3-MEO-PCP and it is quite sedating. Also it's even more potent than 3-MEO-PCP by a magnitude of at least 2x, so if anyone ever gets some, make sure you have a good scale and dose it volumetrically. 10mg for me was a rather intense dose and I felt like I was very close to holing at 15mg. I have a massive tolerance from years of doing MXE, 3-MEO-PCP and a number of other dissociatives. I haven't tried holing on it yet, though, as it has an odd, kind of hard to describe feeling at higher doses. I'm a little reluctant to take it much higher than that until I get more reports of people holing on it or trying higher doses. It is incredibly anesthetizing though. Honestly even more so than MXE due to the sedation.

It makes me curious what adding a 2'-oxo group to it like MXE's would do, making 3-HO-2'-OXO-PCP. The 2'-OXO group typically lowers potency, so possibly it would make it much easier to dose like MXE was, though also much harder to synth I assume.

Anyone else tried it? I've got another half gram on the way, can't wait to try it out again.

Also, O-PCE is somewhat reminiscent. It's 2'-OXO-PCE, whereas MXE is 3-MEO-2'-OXO-PCE. It's definitely lacking some of the magic of MXE, and it's more stimulating, but I enjoy it. The 3-4x higher potency makes it a little harder to dose than MXE, though.

2-fluorodeschloroketamine was also amazing, but the high doses (about as high as Ketamine, if not a little higher) made it annoying and rather expensive. Still, it was a fine dissociative, and the drip actually tasted nice for once.

>All of the other /dis/ RCs out there fucking suck.

How many have you even tried? DCK is great if you get a good batch. 3-MEO-PCP is one of my favorite drugs, but nothing like MXE. 3-MEO-PCE is alright. 3-HO-PCP is fucking amaaaazing, though it's very new to the market (it was first synthesized in the 1970's though, so there are at least some studies done on it). O-PCE is pretty great, but hard to find, but pretty different from MXE if that's your standard.

I miss MXE too, but I don't expect every other dissociative to be like it, so if they're not, it's not disappointing. They're all different drugs, even if it's the same structure minus a methoxy group, or an OXO group.
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Henry Blollyridge - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:57:29 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anyone heard of FXE? Fluoroxetamine.

Supposed to be very similar to MXE.

I can't find many reviews on it though, and only a few chinese vendors.


One vendor was saying ethyl and propyl versions were available as well.

Not sure what that means.
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Ian Fanspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 18:17:16 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357106

The synthesis is the same as Ketamine but with different starting materials, so it's roughly as hard as Ketamine to synthesize if one can procure the correct precursors, which is also difficult.

So yeah, it's not very easy to produce. The thing is, all the labs that produced it were already set up to produce Ketamine, so they were in the best position to produce it.

>>357110

>>while mxe itself isnt that hard to make its positioning of the rings and other systems and its hard to make it conform into the correct R/S ratio (similar to R or S ket) that feels best.

What? The only known synthesis procedure, ie the one I just described above, produces racemic (R/S) MXE. There are no publicly available synthesis procedures for creating S-isomer or R-isomer MXE only, and quite frankly if any vendor claimed to have isometrically pure MXE, they were lying to get sales from people who prefer S-isomer Ketamine to racemic.

Honestly from a chemistry perspective, none of that sentence makes any sense.
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Ian Fanspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 18:22:07 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357470

Ooo, yeah, I have heard of that. Apparently one synthesis failed, but the vendor who mentioned ethyl-amino and propyl-amino versions apparently succeeded. There is one review on circlejerk that I know of and it seems promising, albeit somewhat long lasting compared to MXE.

What "ethyl-amino" and "propyl-amino" means is they produced both 3-Fluoro-2'-OXO-PCE (FXE) and 3-Fluoro-2'-OXO-PCPr (FXPr I guess you could call it?). The first would be an analogue of PCE, the second would be an analogue of PCPr.

I don't know if I can post the review here on 420chan as the subreddit allows sourcing, so I'll just say searching FXE on circlejerk yields it as the second result.
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Eugene Grandspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 19:13:31 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357472
Cool, thanks for the explanation.

The guy i was looking at sells 5g minimum of it, and it's about 50/g

If it's as good as the reviews sound, and lasts longer than mxe i'd be fine with that price.

I'm still loving my 3 meo pcp though. Been my fav for years, even when mxe was in it's prime.

I like having different dissociatives to change it up occasionally though. 2fdck is probably my favorite aside from meo i've tried that is floating around right now.
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 19:38:04 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357473

I really want to try both versions, myself, before one or both of them disappears, but I'm weary of buying 5g of something so new, especially for such a high price.

I liked 2-FDCK a lot, but it was so expensive per dose at $75/g to $40/g and really, really hard to hole on. I had a whole gram but I never holed on it. It is great having a dissociative that is almost indistinguishable from Ketamine (sucks for Ketamine users, I guess, but motherfuckers need to learn to test their drugs anyway) though, it just seems to require somewhat higher doses. It is a pleasure to snort though, even if it does work better plugged, the drip tastes sooo good.

I'd buy more but, man, I actually kind of like O-PCE more. It's more potent, more stimulating (2-FDCK has put me to sleep on more than one occasion), and cheaper per dose. I also much prefer 3-HO-PCP for more or less the same reasons, but that one's even better than O-PCE, more dissociating, and reminds me more of MXE.

But oh my God 3-MEO-PCP is so fine. It's definitely the dissociative that I've used the most. I absolutely adore that manic, functional dissociation, and even though it's not real fun at higher doses, low doses spread throughout a day or half a day are amazing. It really motivates me to do more stuff, I play the banjo more, I play the guitar as loudly and as ridiculously as I can and I fucking love it, and I just in general want to get more done and try my best to enjoy life more than when I'm sober. Not that I don't enjoy life when I'm sober as well, 3-MEO-PCP is just like putting a whipped cream topping on top of something that already tastes amazing.

It's a shame it's getting really hard to find in the US. I used to buy it in 3-5g amounts but now I can only find 1g amounts and they're expensive. Even overseas it seems to have gotten expensive, though there are a couple vendors who still have it for the normal, low prices. Definitely a shame.

If any domestic vendors happen to be reading this, please pleeeaase stock 3-MEO-PCP :(
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 19:41:21 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357475

Oh, by the way, for anyone who liked this compound for the few months it was available, MXM (Methoxmetamine, 3-MEO-2'-OXO-PCM) might be making a small comeback. There's a vendor who is trying to synthesize it.

I'm excited about that, as I loved MXM, probably the most euphoric dissociative I've ever tried, and it was very nice. Only downsides were it built up tolerance pretty fast, it was shorter acting than MXE, and it felt kind of dirty after it wore off, though it still had a pretty nice afterglow.
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Eugene Grandspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 19:45:43 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357476
MXM was nice, i think the only reason it vanished is it looked pretty bad compared to mxe which was still pretty available the last i saw MXM.

In it's own right it was a cool disso though. The doses were a bit higher, and i did notice the tolerance shooting up quick like u say though.

That stuff had the weirdest taste from the drip. Idk what to compare it to. some funky sweet kinda
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 19:52:25 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357478 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357477

I never snorted it, at the time I solely plugged my dissociatives.

Now that I've kind of stopped doing that for fear of potential damage, and started snorting them every now and then on top of oral dosing, I've also noticed that most arylcyclohexylamines like Ketamine, 2-FDCK, O-PCE and 3-HO-PCP all have this sort of really sweet, odd, chemical taste to them that I really like.

3-MEO-PCP and MXE are the only two I've snorted that really don't taste good on the drip. 3-MEO-PCP isn't bad, but it's pretty bitter and weird and it burns like a bitch for a few seconds, and MXE is really really pleasant to snort but the drip is just so fucking gross.

I'm thinking they might taste better now due to some kind of psychosomatic effect from using them so much where my brain associates these compounds with feeling good and thus they taste good to me now. Even 3-MEO-PCP has started to taste better until I recently ran out.

Or maybe they just taste sweet and I'm dumb for thinking that might be a possibility *shrug*
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Eugene Grandspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:03:06 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357478
I really like the taste of 3 meo pcp, but that's acquired by doing it multiple times a day for like 2 years straight, and going through wayyyy too much of it.

I agree with you on MXE. Snorting it was too fucking pleasant. It's like it was made to be the most nasal friendly thing in existence, but that bitter drip that followed was kinda meh. It almost felt cold in the sinus. Looked like snow, felt like snow, made me see visual snow.
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:10:31 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357480

Whenever I did high enough doses MXE I would always imagine I was sent to some cold, arctic like environment that seems absolutely freezing but my body itself never felt cold, just completely comfortable. In the dark my visuals were often arctic-themed as well.

Those "this is what it's like to chew Five Gum" commercials? Yeah, there gum wasn't that great but they did a perfect job of describing what MXE feels like.

I tried to find the actual commercials but all I found were memes and porn, wtf Youtube?
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Albert Cloblingfield - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:12:54 EST ID:qB7LzuKZ No.357484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>357471
it has to do with the electromagnetism of the chlorine, fluorine, and bromine, groups and how that creates problems and or difficulties with aligning the desired groups rings and stereo-center ratio's so like 50/50 ratio is R/S even. selecting the correct stereo-center ratio can be controlled during the synthesis with up to 99.8% accuracy given a high enough level lab and is what controls the feelings from said product like with R/S selection for example with ketamine. This is what labs call "CUSTOM SYNTHESIS" and they offer it up in varying degrees of quality and control and of course and of course that varies massively lab to lab. which is a huge issue. but ive had 18 years of experience in making in roads and learning how to weed out which labs are trash from which are not. and yes this has costed me personally 10,000's of thousands of dollars of products and trial and error on my own body with 99.98% of all of those purchases which yes are in the thousands and even tens of thousands of grams of substances for personal use on my own body and mind.

take it or leave it idgaf

i currently have some 3-ho-pcp which is 50/50 R/S HCL salt and has GC/MS, NMR, and LC/MS tests all signed and cosigned by a university in china with stamps and signatures of all parties involved in duplicate from the uni's lab, the government, and the postal carriers all involved in legally sending it to me.

IDGAF if you believe me or not but I AM TELLING THE TRUTH so IDGAF.

pics and mupti post's for proof related in pic are my 8-ish grams of 3-ho-pcp, my trip, a time stamp though its now more like 5:08, my 3ds, my pokemon sun/moon book, a lighter, a dime, a nickel, a chillum, some words done in pen and some in pastel,a watch, a grey n.a 18 month chip, two nugs of weed, a blue glass chillum, a purple glass bubbler or dry long pipe, a glass tooter, and a 3/10's ML insulin 29 GA rig.

NB
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Eugene Grandspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:13:50 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357483
My buddy used to always tell me the people who made those commercials were tripping on DIS lolllll
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Albert Cloblingfield - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:13:55 EST ID:qB7LzuKZ No.357487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357484
it has to do with the electromagnetism of the chlorine, fluorine, and bromine, groups and how that creates problems and or difficulties with aligning the desired groups rings and stereo-center ratio's so like 50/50 ratio is R/S even. selecting the correct stereo-center ratio can be controlled during the synthesis with up to 99.8% accuracy given a high enough level lab and is what controls the feelings from said product like with R/S selection for example with ketamine. This is what labs call "CUSTOM SYNTHESIS" and they offer it up in varying degrees of quality and control and of course and of course that varies massively lab to lab. which is a huge issue. but ive had 18 years of experience in making in roads and learning how to weed out which labs are trash from which are not. and yes this has costed me personally 10,000's of thousands of dollars of products and trial and error on my own body with 99.98% of all of those purchases which yes are in the thousands and even tens of thousands of grams of substances for personal use on my own body and mind.

take it or leave it idgaf

i currently have some 3-ho-pcp which is 50/50 R/S HCL salt and has GC/MS, NMR, and LC/MS tests all signed and cosigned by a university in china with stamps and signatures of all parties involved in duplicate from the uni's lab, the government, and the postal carriers all involved in legally sending it to me.

IDGAF if you believe me or not but I AM TELLING THE TRUTH so IDGAF.
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:16:11 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357483

Here we go, found 'em:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCAcNyRNHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LToJaxF54cM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE4CHTiHS_8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixy1TMM-F20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjPP7liZCA

Some of these are just stupidly accurate to MXE and dissociatives in general.

I wish their gum were that good.
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Walter Fabberdale - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:16:21 EST ID:mDTtVY95 No.357489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357483

Here we go, found 'em:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCAcNyRNHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LToJaxF54cM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE4CHTiHS_8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixy1TMM-F20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjPP7liZCA

Some of these are just stupidly accurate to MXE and dissociatives in general.

I wish their gum were that good.
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Eugene Grandspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:18:26 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>357318
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Eugene Grandspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:20:00 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357490
So many of those are like a rushy hole.
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Eugene Grandspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:24:30 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357490
I had like 40mg leftover mxe sitting around. ~ A year ago i gave it to my girl because she had never tried it before, and i wanted her to atleast experience it incase i never found it again.

She made that pic when it was wearing off attempting to show what she was seeing.

She said everytime she closed her eyes she just saw "MXE"

I thought the static was pretty similar. I could see where she was going anyway. Thought it was pretty cool for a first experience.

She was straight fucked up lol
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:29:18 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357484

Telling the truth isn't really the issue here, it's more knowing what you're talking about.

For instance custom synthesis is just a service that some labs offer where you order a compound which they do not currently synthesize or an amount that they do not currently offer, and you pay them in order to synthesize it. This could be a compound which you invented, or has not been synthesized before, as long as they can find a way to synthesize it and you send them enough money.

It has nothing to do with stereoisomers inherently, unless you specifically ask for a certain isomer of a compound to be custom synthesized.

Admittedly I'm not well versed enough in chemistry to know exactly how labs select which isomer or ratio one gets. I do know typically you either get a 50/50 ratio or 100% of one or the other based on which precursor you start with, though. For instance, with methamphetamine, if one goes the route of P2P, you get a racemic, 50/50 ratio of D/L-Methamphetamine. If one goes with Ephedrine, however, you get nothing but D-Methamphetamine, which is the preferred isomer and thus Ephedrine is the preferred precursor for people that are into that kind of shit.

I am fairly certain, but admittedly not entirely certain, that the only published method for producing MXE produces a 50/50 R/S racemic product. I'll have to actually go back and read the synthesis to be sure, though.

Also, PCP is not chyral, and neither is 3-MEO-PCP and by extension 3-HO-PCP. Therefore R/S 3-HO-PCP is not a thing and your lab is lying to you if they called it that.

I am, however, still incredibly jealous of your 8g of 3-HO-PCP. That picture is making my mouth water.
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Albert Cloblingfield - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:42:50 EST ID:qB7LzuKZ No.357497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357493
this was custom synthed 3-ho-pcp. im not sure you can say either way you know for sure if 3-ho-pcp is chyral as ketamine is chyral and mxe is theorized ( and i believe to be) to be so i dont see why you feel you can say 3-h-pcp is or is not chyral. So im assuming this is 50/50 R/S chryral as all the GC/MS, LC/MS and NMR papers signed and cosigned by the lab, the government and the courier said so. IDGAF what you choose to believe.
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:47:14 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357497

There is no chiral center on PCP, 3-MEO-PCP, nor 3-HO-PCP, therefore it is not chyral and cannot have stereoisomers.

Ketamine and MXE, however, do have chiral centers, and have two possible positions they can occur in, making them stereoisometric.

Just look at the structures, man. Do you see anywhere where you can mirror those compounds?
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:49:23 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357498

Also, you only need to see the 2D or 3D structure of a compound to know whether it has a chiral center or not. MXE was proven to be chiral the moment someone jotted down its structure.

I don't feel like explaining chirality, so here's the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality_(chemistry)
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Albert Cloblingfield - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:59:40 EST ID:qB7LzuKZ No.357500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357499
i actually can and do see what your saying ill go re-read the results they sent i may simply have had it backwards like the fuckup i am.pretty sure youre correct though re-skimming my docs. anyways im not sure whats even really being argued anymore as i think youre correct. but the stereo-chemistry does play kind of the pivotal role in the kind of cost vs synth difficulty and resulting price differences and fluctuations.
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Eugene Grandspear - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:24:12 EST ID:kldNhZmJ No.357503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357497
I remember people selling S isomer MXE a few years ago. The domestic vendor i was using at the time was skeptical, but he had it verified through independent testing.

I know a few people who say it had markedly different effects.
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Albert Cloblingfield - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:33:30 EST ID:qB7LzuKZ No.357507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357503
i recall this as well and was even supposedly sent some. cannot verify if it was legit.
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:52:06 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357500

Yeah I think we're on the same page now. There were just a few points I wanted to either expand upon or correct. I didn't know PCP and other PCP analogues weren't chiral until someone pointed it out to me when I discussed the idea of S or R isomer 3-MEO-PCP. I checked and it turned out they were totally right and I never noticed.

However the Ethy-amino, Methyl-amino, Propyl-amino and I'm sure a few other analogues are chiral, as are their analogues. So PCE, PCM and PCPr as well as all of their analogues are chiral. This includes, MXE, Ketamine, 2-FDCK, DCK, 3-MEO-PCE, 3-HO-PCE, MXM, FXE, FXPr (I really hope that's the name they settle on so I can say I coined it :V) etc. I can't comment on any others, though.

Also I do completely agree, stereo-chemistry and whichever isomer(s) you target in a synthesis does affect the difficulty, what precursors are needed and thus the cost of the process. I guess I was being a bit too argumentative as I never meant to argue against that point.

Anyway I hope I didn't come off as an asshole, I wasn't trying to say you're completely full of shit or don't have any idea about anything or that I don't believe you have a lot of experience with different labs or anything like that. Your first comment just didn't make much sense to me and I wanted to comment on a few things after. And don't be so negative about yourself, mane, you're not a fuck up. We're all works in progress :)

>>357503

Yeah I've heard the same thing. I'd want to see the results directly from the lab and know how they tested it (as well as have someone independent read the results as I don't know how to read GC/MS, LC/MS or NMR for that matter ) before I truly believed them.

With S-isomer Ketamine in vials it's one thing. If it's from a real manufacturer of S-ketamine and it's a sealed vial, there's almost no way it could be anything else.

With MXE there's far too much trust required that only independent testing and people who know how to read the results for one to know for sure, and honestly I don't see many labs going through that much trouble unless it turns out to be a pretty easy synthesis route (I imagine it would be the analogous to the route used for S-Ketamine, so who knows? Maybe it isn't that hard).
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Beatrice Hannerforth - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 22:12:38 EST ID:/bZQ+LlZ No.357512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>357510

>whichever isomer(s) you target

Assuming there are more than two. nb


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