My biggest problem is sleep apnia. Not exactly life threatening, until you realise I cannot hide and sleep, period, and no-one can sleep next to me. I'd basically have to live halfway up a goddamn mountain in a cave or something to be safe.

I'm an ex-cage fighter and an ex-acrobat. I'm incredibly flexible and can handle myself better than the majority of the population in a pinch. Living in Florida all my life, I can take intense heat. I also used to run ships from Columbia in my teens which I'm not proud of, but I'm well versed in firearms and can endure harsh conditions. I cant run long distances but I can walk around 15 miles with 50-60 pounds on my back before I get tired, and I bench 250. I'd probably do pretty ok but that's only assuming when SHTF there's still a good amount of people still around that I could be employed by. I have a really high metabolism and I don't have the patience for cooking or gardening. My brother's a bio-engineer, grease monkey, gun hoarder and worked construction as a kid so he'd probably help me out alot

>>5440

Been thinking about this exact same thing since world events just got a lot more interesting over in America. I'm skinny as fuck, but I'm smart. The next 7 months are body-building months, and I've been doing a regular workout every day for a couple weeks now. As for an edge, I'd say my ability to move fast without being too loud. That's really the only physical one, since the rest are all mental advantages - fast reaction speed, good 'gut feeling', speech, and a proficiency in music and crafting.

Well, I don't think it'd be a problem for anyone here, but I have noticed on all those Survivor type shows, some of the first to drop out are the really huge bodybuilder types. You'd think they'd own, but their bodies are so used to rich, high protien diets and good eating, that a couple weeks of going hungry and they fall to pieces and get really sick.
Most of these special forces types IRL aren't FUCK OFF HUEG like Arnie, they're lean and mean like Micheal Bien.

>>6788

This is really true for life. I work in construction and I'm 5'6"-140 pounds and I can usually out work any of the bigger guys who go to the gym and work out and shit.

>>6698
I go camping a few times a year to this place that's hours from the nearest major city in my state (Texas). There is a small city about an hour from it though. Anyway, it's this camp site on a river, down in this little valley, lots of trees, several natural, cold springs, caves, fishing, canoeing, hiking.

There are 2-3 weekends out of the year where they will be packed, but usually the place is deserted. Last year I went there during Spring Break, but not on the weekend, there were maybe 5 other campsites full, and they were all in the main area (I camp in the backpack area).

This place probably would have quiet a few people during an apocalypse scenario, but I might still go there, because most people who camp here are pretty rough. There are no RVs' allowed, mainly because you practically need 4WD to get here. Aside from the main campground, there are thousands of acres of wilderness, and two other primitive camp sites along the river (several miles apart).

With the natural springs, we would have an abundant source of cold, clean water that would only need to be boiled to drink (honestly, I drank it straight out of the spring, in a spot most people don't go to, it's like a 7-8 mile hike, but yeah I didn't even have an upset stomach, and it tasted great).

There are some small fish in the springs, but not many. There is great fishing from the river though. The area around the river would be ideal for farming.

There is a lot of small wildlife in the area, from squirrels, rabbits, snakes, etc. up to deer and wild hogs.

The only problem would be the occasional flood. Not every year, but every couple years, there will be flash flooding up river that causes the main camp ground by the river to go under. I think the back pack camp grounds are high enough that they don't go under. We could always retreat when necessary.

>>6698
It's about 2 hours from my house, in a wilderness area. There's a gravel road (rough as fuck) to the trail head, and then a four mile hike to a small lake with precisely ONE fish in it (I restock when the old one dies or gets eaten). I can't farm, there's no fishing really, and it's pretty accessible by road. On the upside, it only gets visited by maybe 6 people a year, and then mostly by rangers checking up. There's a nearby Boy Scout camp that will 1) attract marauders first, 2) be a good spot to maraud. The boyscouts also have a sizable lake that is fully stocked with fish. There's also a load of elk, deer, grouse, and squirrel running around (also bear and cougar, but I'm not likely to try eating them). All in all, a pretty good place to ride out a shitstorm, but not to make a permanent life.

>>6698
It's this exact thought that makes me want to stick it out in the urban landscape that I'm currently in. I mean, if everyne leaves, am I not relatively alone then? Is this not the secret place now?

>>6726
Everyone won't leave. Some people will, but the majority do not have survival skills or camping equipment.

The urban areas will be chaos, at least for a few months.

I live in the Twin Cities, MN. People generally assume Minnesota is underdeveloped, full of hicks, whatever--and thats true in some places. But the Twin Cities are pretty thriving cities, with hiking and camping as close as 15 minutes outside downtown.

I live on the outskirts of St Paul, and there are tons of railroad tracks. What people often dont understand is that for legal/liability reasons, railroad tracks are private restricted property, and take up shitloads of land. There is seriously a "dead zone" near my house...it exists, but has nothing but railroad tracks and woods. The city was built AROUND it, so most people dont even realize it exists because in a normal day to day life you will never see or be in 90% of the land, yet its just miles from 2 large cities. When shit hits the fan, this is where I will go. There will be others; the occasional train bums live there, and you see occasional forts ranging from bum home, to little kid tree fort, to kinda big forts for paintball/airsoft. I can easily survive in these woods, there are plenty of edible plants and animals. If it REALLY comes down to it I know which train lines head north to Canada, and I can hop on a freight and be out of the country in less than 48 hours.

>>6529
Though it is sobering, all humans and animals that survive will go on to be the strongest of the species, and as such would continue a line of humans, free from defect and medical issues. People would be strengthened by their losses. The weight of loss is a greater fuel than some would admit.

>>6759

by godwin, you're right..

not really. that's not even how evolution works.

>>6759

I have a stutter and sebhorric dermatitis. I am defective and have a medical issue. My survival odds are just as good as yours if not a little better due to my location.

There goes that....

>>6529

I find it childish that we cling to those we love that cannot survive if not by pharmacology keeping their broken husk functioning temporarily. Emotions are naught but an irrational clouding factor on every judgement you have ever made.

>>7015
Heck, let me even get more obscene. I had to come back and expand on this because it baffles me WHY people who feel such a strong attachment to their current lives would even be on an apocalypse board. If you love your life, and have loved ones in your life....your time would be a lot better spent trying to postpone this apocalypse, don't you think?

My only question is which of these medications and parts of the med-kit are susceptible to time ? which medications and other components would i have to exchange every now and then ?

>>6728

It should say on the bottle of each medication. If it has a shelf life, it should tell you.

>>6729

I'd take the date with a grain of salt. Often times medication that doesn't need to be refrigerated have a shelf life years past the date. Worst that usually happens with pills is they become less effective over time.

>>6735
Actually I knew an idiot who ended up with horrible acne because he wanted an emo fringe but didn't want to wash it. He'd nearly fixed the infection with some prescription cream, but he went and used an old expired tube and it just flared up again.

>>6744
It probably flared up again because since the medication was expired, it was less effective like they said.... and since it was less effective, the infected was able to flare up again.

>>6673

This is what I'd like to do, but they have us locked in this wonderful situation where it costs money to move out of the country, quite a bit of it, and although I am college educated and have several degrees, I do not have a professional career job. So, I'm broke and can't really go anywhere, even within the states right now, let alone out of the country.

>>6677
You do know you can just get on a freight train to Canada or Mexico? It's the Greyhound of penniless hobos. Just go be a crusty kid, not a bad life for two or three years, really.

>>6681
Canada could work, but Mexico is on the boarder of becoming the next Uganda. The Cartels have been practically running the place and it's just getting worse.

>a get the fuck out of here kit

Commonly called a Bug-out Bag or BoB. Just googling that will give you a metric fuckton of information on what thousands of people think "needs" to be in your bag. There are so many videos on youtube about it that you could waste a whole day watching them.

For that reaosn I won't even try to list everything, because nobody agrees, but some items that are often listed are Flashlights (extra batteries), waterproof matches, knives and omni-tools of all kinds, enough food and water for 72 hours (minimum), rope, zip-ties, first aid kits. It really goes on and on - some things are obviously related to your own personal situation. For some people including a parka so you don't get rained to hell is very practical whereas for someone else it might be not worth the extra weight/space.

Oh and duct tape - you can never have enough of that. My personal contribution to a BoB is that a few bartering supplies never hurt anyone, either. A nice bottle of liquor and a carton of smokes in your bag might end up being worth quite a lot in trade.

>>6714
drugs: ecstasy pills, a few grams of coke, good painkillers/sedatives.

>>6641
Part of the reason why the local barber was more important in old days than the local doctor. He could patch you up quicker and cheaper if you needed stitches or whatnotn, then pretty you up with a shave and a haircut. Doctors used to be for the rich and panicky, with the rare exceptions of your barber and your/friends' gran/oldest women in the area couldn't help you.
You will need to know the difference between the two scenarios though, and that is where the thinking comes in.

>>6731
Barbers used to be doctors an dentists.
"Let me get a trim, a prostate exam, and I think I have a cavity."

>>6468
bnottlecaps are the perfect furrency.
currency.
fuck.

The barter system will prevail, possibly with ammunition or water becoming some sort of rudimentary currency.

Cash, grass, or ass.

here's what live in my backpack as my "oh-shit" supplies. they're also just handy for day to day crap.

>Leatherman Charge with a small bit set.
>fixed blade utility knife (in this case a Mora #2, GREAT knife. it's carbon steel so rust is an issue but it holds a razor sharp edge)
>Swedish fire steel
>ceramic rod sharpener
>cashews, almonds, or other high energy snack
>electrical tape
>sharpies
>disposable lighters
>highpower LED flashlight (not pictured)

This collection is pretty light, the heaviest thing is the leatherman but overall it's still less than a pound. and like a said, most of this stuff I use almost everyday as well.

>>6626
Essentially the same, but duct tape, + beach towel.

My fast response survival pack is a lot more comprehensive, but that's because I made my full BOB into my EDC. I'll do a yellow text summary of my kit after I fill in what you could use, because there are just a few things missing.
You need to be able to make fire. You also may need a length of rope. A cutting implement is vital. Signal mirrors are awesome, you should get one. First aid must be a consideration. Food is another good one. You get the general idea. If you want a comprehensive list and not a half-asleep rambled one, google the 'ten essentials'.
My backpack is only 20 pounds, and in it, I have everything I should need for a short amount of time.

>Main pouch contains notebooks/books, glowsticks, poncho, tiny fishing kit(hooks, line, sinkers) towel, signal mirror, other miscellaneous.
>Second pouch contains gloves, hats, socks, underwear, leatherman multi tool, sharpening stone with oil, rags, lockpicking set.
>Tertiary pouch contains duct tape, pens, pencil, smaller pad of paper, towelettes, emergency blanket, emergency sleeping bag, firesteel.
>Fourth pouch contains a ball of hemp and my dice(it's the smallest pouch)
>Side pouch number 1 contains aspirin, 70 bandaids, water purification tablets, triple antibiotic cream, and a gasmask(hey, it fits and doesn't add much weight, so I carry it).
>Side pouch number 2 is a military surplus jungle med kit.

Side pouch number 3 contains rubber bands, waterproof backpack cover, and cards
Since this is my EDC, I will also list my non-backpack EDC

>Water
>20+ feet of 550 paracord
>High intensity flash light
>At least two knives(one folding, one camp knife)

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>>6649

I'm saving up for some hilly forested property out in a some farm country. I plan on making a cord wood house that is partially buried into the hillside with a living earth roof and a garden outside. Ideally I'm going to try to make a self sufficient house, even if that means I need to cut back on my electricity.

>>6647
Mud and grass makes an excellent insulator, seals the cracks more efficiently than straight twigs and such. If you have soil like Colorado, you have one, maybe two layers of top soil and clay. Rock the clay like you have no tomorrow, it will definitely help you stay warm. Be careful though, could be too good with that fire going.

>>6693
I have never tried this myself, but I have read about it in books and such, so I was planning on trying that. Glad to have anecdotal support.

With insulation, I would definitely keep the fire small, and I'm thinking about maybe using a medium-sized metal bucket or something, so that if it gets too hot, I can just move it outside? Not sure if that would work either.

Again, I live in TX, so it doesn't get that cold here, even in the dead of winter at night, it still usually stays above freezing. There are some below freezing nights though, the occasional snow/freeze, etc.

I think having an alternative shelter dug into the ground would be a good idea for stormy/freezing nights.

Depends on the nature of the post apocalyptic scenario...
But all in all, the foundation for shelter is already present within our society. The end of our society isn't going to neccessarily tear down every building that currently stands. I'd probably just use an abandoned house as shelter, preferably on the edge of a small town.

>>6702
You should know, if your chimney is big enough to evacuate all the smoke, and has an air-draw from outside, there's no risk of suffocating/CO poisoning.

>>6675
In TX, I know MANY people who own land in the suburbs, inside cities, and obviously out in the country who have gardens. Clearly inside cities and most suburbs, you wouldn't be able to have a full-scale farm, but a small garden and self-sufficient home is what I am aiming for.

Post-SHTF, I would probably expand my garden a bit, and hopefully use the surrounding lands to hunt/fish etc. But my home-base would already be well-established and protected. That is why I would buy a small plot of land ahead of time.

My goal is to buy land in the country, so I can do whatever I want with it, then I would go ahead and build a small chicken coop, start raising chickens, and hopefully buy some goats and a horse or two eventually. Maybe even a dairy cow. All I'd really need would be the chickens and goats though, and they are cheap as hell to buy/raise.

Clearly I'd be better off if I already had this small farm set up than if I had to "commandeer" a farm.

As for "knowing" shit won't hit the fan, I disagree. I am quite worried about peak oil and the effects it will have on our oil-based society. Everything we build, drive, make, or eat is produced or fueled by oil directly. When it comes to a point where countries start to hoard what little oil they have left, wars will start up, then the price of oil will skyrocket, people won't be able to afford gas, companies wont be able to afford it, industries and businesses will start to collapse, rioting will commence, and more than likely governments will lose control and anarchy will take over. It will be hard to set up a new government post-oil... especially if we don't start working on a better infrastructure (building electric cars, windmills, solar power plants, hydro-electric and geothermal power, developing and improving these sources, and finding alternative materials to make EVERYTHING, and finding a new way to produce enough food/distribute it around the world without oil).

That's just one scenario. There are many others, but I think this one is most likely, and most likely to really fuck shit up for a long period.

gif not related.

>>6676
Peak oil is already passed, but with the tar sands in Canada being exploited now, with reserves at least equal to Saudi Arabia, the US won't be running dry for probably another 100 years, and prices wont get really bad for another 50, maybe 30 at the earliest. On the other hand, land is going to start getting increasingly more expensive as the global population tops out at an estimated 12 billion people. Let's all go in on a decent sized chunk of ground now, live communally in a big farmhouse, and rake in huge profits first from farm revenues, and then from selling the land for development. Whataya say? My $10K and you and 28 others (BTW, the $300K was for land plus a home)?

To add, 1 acre of potatoes will feed 4 people for one year, estimated at 1901 crop yields (analogous to organic farming methods). Just as a general reference.

shin-chan always welcome, even if not related

>>6683
I don't plan on eating only potatoes. I plan on hunting/fishing/trapping, growing multiple veggies, and I will hopefully have some fruit and nut trees. I know for a fact that pecan trees do very well in my area, and my grandma has peach and plum trees in her backyard that also do very well. That, along with a modest garden with potatoes, tomatoes, carrots, green beans, maybe corn, cucumber, red chile peppers, jalapenos, herbs, marijuana, etc. I also plan on learning to can my own fruits and veggies, which my grandma does and can teach me. Hopefully I will also have chickens, which I would use for eggs, not meat unless necessary or if we had too many, and goats, which I would use for milk and meat if necessary.

I have experience raising chickens, goats, and pigs, and experience growing things, although not to that extent, I could easily learn.

I would be doing all of this with the help of my boyfriend/future husband. If we need to, we can move back to my family farm and have a small community going. They already have dairy cows, goats, chickens, a water well, big old stone house with fireplaces, and a garden.

>>6682
Tar sands? Really? psh. We almost use more energy to get to them and refine them. If tar sands were as amazing as you claim, why do we still rely so heavily on the Middle East? I just saw in the news today that if Iran actually blockades their gulf, our oil prices would increase by 50% overnight. Once the middle east starts to hoard their oil, shit will fall apart over here.

Have you watched the documentary "Collapse"? Yes, peak oil has technically passed, but we are still in a comfort zone. I definitely think shit will go down within the next 10 years though.

Wool socks will keep your feet warm even if they get wet.

heavyweight canvas duck tends to be naturally waterproof; there's a whole array of work wear you can find made from this stuff. Red Cap is the first brand that comes to mind. could also serve as minor protection against bumps, scrapes, and cuts.

OP, fuck cotton, fuck poly, fuck synthetics.

Get yourself all wool and a light gortex rain gear.

First thing you need to understand is how clothing keeps you warm. It does this by warming the air around your body. Living in Alaska I've had to dress pretty warm, this will keep you warm even in sub-arctic conditions. You may not need as much at one time.

Insulated Xtratuff boots
2 pairs of good wool socks
1 pair of wool long johns
1 pair surplus military pants (I think the ones I got are Finnish or something)
1 wool thermal shirt
1 wool light sweater
1 wool halibut jacket (heavy coat)
Then you top this off with fairly thin (thicker depending on temperature and wind) rain gear.
You also shouldn't neglect you hands and head so for the hands I would get some wool glove liners and what looks similar to some dish cleaning gloves. They sell them around here either orange or blue for fisherman. For your head I'd have a fleece lined, neoprene balacava and a wool knit hat.

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I do endorse acrylic fleece - for socks, tops, and for sleeping bag liners. It's light, highly breathable, wicks moisture extremely well and dries easily. Don't use it for outergarments, obviously, but it's perfect as an insulating layer.

Moisture wicking - I wear a pair of cotton boot socks under a pair of fleece boot socks. With waterproof boots, my feet remain entirely dry due to the moisture wicking properties of fleece. I would take a pair of cotton socks with me in a survival situation because it's the first piece of clothing I would sacrifice if I needed to make a water filter, or make charcloth for fire starting.

Is leather any good?

>>6678
Only if it's hard leather, or has been soaked in oil. Leather tends to get hard if it gets wet. And it chafes.

>>6245
good advice, i will make sure im more secure than mere handcuffs then. i would thank you but obviously i am doing the rest of the world a favour here.

If I'm in my house or whatever, something similar to OP, but I'd try to write a final memoir or something.

If I'm in a Skyscraper, I'm jumping off the top and diving head first.

I'd go out and infect as many people as possible. fuck it i won;t be around (kind of) to give a fuck. I'd run through the streets with a hose spraying people with my blood with two IV's feeding my blood system and getting more fluid so I don;t die of blood los immesdiately. And then die in a very, very public place.

I'd be the old guy who's gets out his pistol at the end and yells "GO!" to the heroes as they book it and I go "let's see what you bastards got!" and go on a magnificent, final rampage before being eaten alive, tearing zombie ass all the way.

DICKS EVERYWHERE