>>49892
Which is exactly what the post he was raging against said.

>>49893
"History" does not mean "his story"

>>49895
And /his/ doesn't mean history either, apparently.

>>49893
History (from Greek ἱστορία - historia, meaning "inquiry, knowledge acquired by investigation
stop you sound like a christian teacher i had

>>49897
I assure you I am not a Christian, and by typing "his-story" I made no implication that that is what its origins were. Your point has been moot the whole time.

I wonder why no one has asked why I think that writing was the best and worst thing mankind ever did. You bother to derail OPs thread, then squabble over misinterpreted minutiae

>>49879
And yes, if it can't be proven it's as good as a myth anyway. So yes if you can prove the existence of this magical sword wielding cat-monster hunter, please do. But mainstream academia is going to stick with what they can teach.

>>49873

>What was King Arthur's name?

King Arthur, you idiot.

He was a myth anyway. Beowulf was a better leader and a real one, too.

>>49881
No! Beowulf was CGI. King Arthur was real

Arthur Pendragon, Ært-hur, was how you said it. Son of Uther Pendragon and Eigyr Wledig

>>49881

Also much hotter apparently.

>>49883
Angelina wasn't Beowulf, she was supposed to be Grendel's mom
Anyway that movie kind of sucked, hell, the 13th Warrior was a way better (although much looser) adaptation

Sint-Nicolaas

>>49830

St. Benedict of Nursia.

Benny and his religious order rebuilt Europe in the midst of complete chaos and destruction while simultaneously revolutionizing European society, government, education, and economics. He also humbled King Totila.

The Benedictines gave Europe a network of factories, centers of breeding livestock, centers of scholarship, preservation of ancient manuscripts, especially of Greece and Rome, and even small things like proper manners and hospitality. They took swamps and forests and turned them into arable land. They changed peoples perception on manual labour, making it something glorious and virtuous instead of something for slaves. They helped destroy institutionalized usury based economics. They lived in prosperous communes. They fed the hungry, clothed the poor, and healed the sick. They were virgins, and superior because of it. Ora at labora, muh nigguh.

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Order_of_Saint_Benedict.html

http://www.amazon.com/Benedicts-Rule-Rise-Ethnicity-ebook/dp/B009JW0GUE/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1370902844&sr=1-2&keywords=benedicts+rule

>A certain woman there was which some time he had seen, the memory of which the wicked spirit put into his mind, and by the representation of her so mightily inflamed with concupiscence the soul of God's servant, which so increased that, almost overcome with pleasure, he was of mind to have forsaken the wilderness. But, suddenly assisted with God's grace, he came to himself; and seeing many thick briers and nettle bushes to grow hard by, off he cast his apparel, and threw himself into the midst of them, and there wallowed so long that, when he rose up, all his flesh was pitifully torn. So, by the wounds of his body, he cured the wounds of his soul, in that he turned pleasure into pain, and by the outward burning of extreme smart, quenched that fire which, being nourished before with the fuel of carnal cogitations, inwardly burned in his soul: and by this means he overcame the sin, because he made a change of the fire.

>>49853
Nah, monks got hella pussy whenever they wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kixg7E3Pk

>>49853

>So, by the wounds of his body, he cured the wounds of his soul, in that he turned pleasure into pain, and by the outward burning of extreme smart, quenched that fire which, being nourished before with the fuel of carnal cogitations, inwardly burned in his soul: and by this means he overcame the sin, because he made a change of the fire.

Well now I know what to do when I get a little too excited. St. Benedict is my hero.

>>48336

None of which OP wants to discuss - He used Atlantis as a reference so people know what he's on about.

OP, I'd love to believe that kind of thing, but there's just no evidence for it. The Ancients were all very in tune with the universe, the Antikythera mechanism/Bagdhad batteries etc are all very interesting. Nothing has ever suggested to me that there existed a technologically advanced civilisation before the modern era.

Check out some old scriptures on astronomy and stuff though, shit is awesome.

>>48307
this may be the dumbest post I've ever read on this site
the fact that you believe history excites no discussion simply because it's well known to be true is just retarded

nb

If there was a civilization like that, it would have to be pretty big right. To support just the establishment of such technology a large amount of land would be required. They'd probably also be imperialists or capitalists because they are humans so such a people would have probably tired to expand until they colonized the entire planet. So we'd know about it.

They find dinosaurs bones all the time. I find it extremely difficult to believe that every single piece of ancient technology is buried in unreachable locations.

It's obviously just speculative bs.

While there are certain interesting facts about highly advanced metalworking techniques or astronomy outside of the west, the scientific method and codification of processes used to advance technology changed everything. Moverover, I think most of these things fall under the category of the Chinese inventing the compass and using it to align bodies in their graves rather than for navigation or similarly the tribes in present day Latin America having extremely detailed star charts and stuff that were used exclusively for faithful purposes. Misused is too strong a term, but the potential of these technologies was not realized until Europeans came up with them centuries later. The idea that there was some sort of massively advanced civilization that was wiped out without a trace is grade school sci-fi story stuff. Hey, look at our board icon, we're going down the same path. I expect threads about aliens to start popping up shortly.

History channel does have that Alien show, so yeah, chop that outta the mainstream.

>>48798
Let me guess, the propaganda exhibit at the British Museum just opened up?

>>49837

>The anarchists are the men pulling the strings behind the government ?
>Their parents often enough are.

Idiot.

>But mainly, anarchists are the useful idiots who do much of the dirty work of the hostile elites who run the system, whether they're conscious of it or not. They are pitted against groups that are actual threats to the system, such as Golden Dawn.

Anarchists say the same, only the names are switched.

>the media is sure to mention that "Golden Dawn has been accused of committing violent attacks on immigrants" without providing proof of it, but the MSM never mention the proven recent murders by various anarchists when reporting about Greek anarchist groups.

I don't know what's MSM, but you're accusing anarchists as a whole "go around murdering taxi drivers, pregnant women and anyone else they feel like killing", because of two isolated and unplanned events, and pretend that golden dawn has nothing to do with the repeated violence against immigrants because its leaders didn't officially order it to happen ?
Are you trying to be unconvincing ?

>And what about SYRIZA? They openly pledge allegiance to Stalinism and Maoism

No they don't.

>There are no articles in the western corporate media that express worry over SYRIZA gaining power.

Yes there is.

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>>49840

>If they were opposed to the anarchists, or even just objective reporters, they could write something like "in recent times, Greek anarchists have become notorious for committing several murders, including one case where a pregnant woman was killed,"

That's not objectivity. Yeah, three people died after a molotov was thrown into a bank during a protest in 2010, and one guy got killed trying to stop a robber fleeing from the scene in 2012. That doesn't mean "anarchists" are notorious murderers who go out of their way to add pregnant women to their lists of victims. The article is factual, and what you would want to read in it is not.

>>49821
>>49822
>>49831
>>49837
>>49840

Fuck you're all retarded. You're proof that the NATO should just burn the stain called Greece out of glorious Europe.

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>>49823
The Americas had their own civilizations a long ass time before Europe had anything to do with it.

>>49832
you don't say!

>>49832
But the europeans almost erased them and brought their own.

>>49847
Doesn't count as "civilizing".

>>49859
Doesn't destroying a building and building another in its place count as building ?

Bada'bump

If I was on an Egyptian documentary trip I'd plow ahead and start watching

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=documentary+egypt&oq=documentary+e&gs_l=youtube.3.0.0l10.1659.11094.0.13143.7.6.0.1.1.0.296.1114.0j4j2.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.e0vVp2Kjl1E

Ill bump since I've been n sort of a Greek kick lately

Rome->Eastern Roman Empire->Ottoman Empire->Russian funded independence movement. DONE But seriously use JSTOR or the sources on the wikipedia page for greek history.

>>49793

>asks for detail on one specific time period
>general flowchart of over two thousand years of history, go check wikipedia

you're a terrible historian Oliver.
I'd like to help you out jarvis but I don't know all that much, as far as I know after the early chaos settled down after the 4th war things were basically the same as they had been before rome stepped onto the scene, i'd imagine there was economic benefit from more secure trade with the rest of the empire but I don't think there were very many first hand sources about that sort of thing

>>49062
You need a book. I need a book. They invaded and never really left, once subdued, brought in a bunch of Latin speaking colonists who proceeded to treat the conquered like shit. All I've gathered really.
I mean look at these!

1 First Macedonian War (214 to 205 BC)
2 Second Macedonian war (200 to 196 BC)
3 Seleucid War (192 to 188 BC)
4 Third Macedonian War (172 to 168 BC)
5 Fourth Macedonian War (150 to 148 BC)
6 First Punic War (264 to 241 BC)
7 Second Punic War (218 to 201 BC)
8 Third Punic War (149 to 146 BC)
9 First Mithridatic War (88 to 84 BC)
10 Second Mithridatic War (83 to 81 BC)
11 Third Mithridatic War (75 to 63 BC)

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http://books.google.com/books/about/Roman_colonies_in_southern_Asia_Minor.html?id=P3oJAQAAIAAJ

Just about every beachhead on Normandy had multiple nationalities represented.

When Saving Private Ryan came out, while it did a pretty good job at being accurate in a lot of ways (but obviously not all), you only see Americans on Omaha beach. While Americans made up the majority of Omaha forces, there were interspersed British and Free French.

Of course, some of this was because of missed landings. A lot of Americans intended to land on Omaha ended up on Gold beach, if I recall (too lazy too look up).

I would think most fighting in World War 2 would have had multiple nationalities present. Maybe not mixed forces all the time, but I'm sure that the Americans got to know British, Canadian, Free French etc soldiers very well.

>>49188
Well Walter, it happened all the time. On D-Day you even had some American ships toting British and Canadian soldiers. During WWII it was fairly common for armies to switch commands. You might have a division under British command one day and it would fall under American command the next. In Operation Market Garden, American paratroopers fought alongside british armor under British General Montgomery. I think one of the most fascinating things about WWII was the allied capacity for organization. Taking armies from several different countries and organizing them all to fight towards a common goal like that is impressive.

>>49193

Did it work?

>>49851
Did we go to the moon?

You should learn to use a camera.

Well besides, >>49825 you should also learn to look at the evidence in your hand. It's worth 75 cents because that's how much someone who researched, and has likely put more man hours into coin collecting and selling than anyone on 420chan, it thought he could get out of said coin. The G and number are probably nothing more than collector notes which are fairly common.

What I can totally verify for you is: No you did not buy or come into possession of a 500 dollar coin when it has a 75 cent price tag. But that's just all common sense.

>>49824

>I saw this coin being sold on Ebay uncirculated for 500-600 dollars
>uncirculated

It's hard to tell from your picture but I'm assuming there is a lot of wear and tear that made your coin much cheaper. For example this dime would be worth quite a but because of how little it's been worn but the one I got from my dead uncle's effects where all but the silhouette of the face is worn done is only worth about a buck or two.

1905 is not even that far back ago meaning there are still plenty out there, also it's a penny. Just sell it for $75 bucks or a bit more, it's 7500 times the original value.
You could also keep it as a family "heirloom" and maybe one of your kid will sell it when it's worth more. My grandad got an 1869 1/2 Real from my country (won its independence in 1821 from Spain) and gave it to my father which is now in my hands, I'm thinking of keeping it in the family until I need the money as the coin will keep on gaining value.

People started caring about history once they had enough food and shelter to spend time on something else then gathering food. Also the earliest recorded history was started by local governments whose kings wanted to let the following generations know about their victories and other deeds. From then on history became more widespread.

>>49015

The written language formed due to trade and the need for record keeping, the earliest histories are trade tablets from Mesopotamia and the Indus valley.

>>49055

Those aren't histories, but can be used as sources. Same in Greece with Linear B which was mostly used for lists of stocks.

Read Thucydides. He goes out of his way to tell the reader that his information is as accurate as he could make it. He even knocks other historians (i.e. Herodotus) for the same thing that you're describing, OP.

>>48874
you're talking out your ass mate. Obviously russian natives (siberians not actually russians, russians didn't reach that far in siberia until a few hundred years ago and any russian claims to sovereignty because of them would get laughed out the building) were the first to contact north america, where do you think north americans came from in the first place. Dr Sutherland's dismissal isn't about the arctic sovereignty issue it's about the federal government trying to co-opt the museum of civilization into a harper government approved political soap box and generally gutting research funding nationwide.

There are issues when politics, research and history collide but get the issues right man

I thought Pilate's portrayal in Jesus Christ Superstar (*NOT* the remake) did him justice and as far as my knowledge of Roman /st/ylin' goes, it's pretty accurate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEzEROSj11Q

I always imagine nearly all Romans, including him, to be shaven and have black hair (or gray if they are older.) I mean when you think of blondes, you think of Germanic peoples. When you think of redheads, you think of Celts. These are both pretty distinct from Latin people.

>>49788
Rome got pretty decent admixture from other European peoples after the Second Punic war and the Roman nobility and senate got a handful of plebeians raised through ambition.

>>49788
There were redheads in ancient Greece. Homer makes some of his characters reds.

>>49805
Well, I know for a fact that some Turkish people have red hair. In fact, if I compare Turkish people with Greek people, the Turkish people look so much more... Western.

Almost as if the Turks are the real Greeks... and the Greeks come from somewhere else...