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ISIS Status Update by Vulvarin Trembling - Thu, 14 May 2015 09:42:52 EST ID:q6QF5w+I No.55391 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Even as a pacifist I hope ISIS gets wiped off the earth.
Let all Bullets and Bombs rain down on these deranged religiots.

What's the status actually?
Are they still in control of large areas?
How much is left of them?
When will they be defeated?
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Maestro Pigsavn - Sun, 01 May 2016 13:24:43 EST ID:RBdVEzBJ No.56677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56552
thinking about the hundreds mercenaries taking up arms and joining ranks with different ethnicities just to fight Daesh
makes me hope they flush these goat-fuckers down the drain!

>>56584
you can't have peace without fighting for it
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Archie Blammergold - Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:53:35 EST ID:R447Jg7l No.56720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55391
>When will they be defeated?
Next Tuesday.
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Pentagon - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:23:12 EST ID:ZLtiXm/t No.56733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
America has Airborne Rangers. Does ISIS?

Don't worry boys and girls, this country will always be free.
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Cyril Buzzwater - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:48:37 EST ID:6PhWCkVP No.56734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56733
>America
>free
lol
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Ophange Pemppelo - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:12:24 EST ID:7KLCRgz2 No.57282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rakka freed by Kurdish-Forves and Mercs!

Good job boys & girls!


Was Jesus an Iron Age cult leader? by Doris Fuckingson - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:42:44 EST ID:6FQAmMFX No.57218 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi all (Before I start quick disclosure: I am an atheist but I am here to have an honest discussion and am not here to troll and offend anyone.)

When i read the account of Christ and I read it as a myth that was meant to be examined as testimony I imagine that instead of reading a book Luke, John, or Matthew are at the bar just telling me a story about some guy they knew. This is what a testimony is after all: a story someone tells you. If a book is written in the format of a testimony thus you must not necessarily believe the narrator at all times. Sometimes you can assume that he is lying or exaggerating things just like a stranger telling you a story at a bar would. (Sorry for the long intro but it will help the rest of this make sense... hopefully) So following this logic and using its lens to examine the bible I make 3 assumptions as I read the accounts of Christs life.

1 - Jesus is not divine and has no special powers. (ex. I've never seen a dude walk on water why would I believe a testimony that says someone saw someone do it somewhere.)

2 - No one else has special powers everyone is a human limited by the knowledge and culture of Iron Age Middle East.

3 - Jesus is corruptible just like every other person.

Now with all this in play as I go through the bible I hear a story about a Iron age Rabbi that ran an organization with lots of hall marks of a cult like abandoning families to follow a holy teacher, giving up wealth, and dedicating one entire life soul, body, and mind to the holy teacher. Further this holy teacher showed them a bunch of cheap parlor tricks. The holy teacher was so narcissistic and egocentric that anytime anything other then him comes up he tells you how unimportant it is compared to him and tells you to give up everything just to worship him and serve him.

Further he is reckless and his delusions of grandeur like thinking he is himself a god as well as his corrupt nature like soaking himself in a years wages worth of perfume in one sitting in front of a bunch of people who gave everything up to obey and follow him. The picture is clear. I do not see a wise and loving guy. I see Charles Manson or Marshall Applewhite.

Again, I am not here trying to offend anyone, I am just trying to honestly explain my thought process. Now that I explained my thoughts, what I really want to ask is what are yours? How do you read the bible? How do you see Jesus? What do you think were his motivations and aspirations? And most importantly why do you believe these things.
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Molly Clannerfidge - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:16:22 EST ID:JPVhQX35 No.57248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57223
There def is evidence of the historical Jesus.

>Virtually all New Testament scholars and Near East historians, applying the standard criteria of historical investigation, find that the historicity of Jesus is effectively certain [4][5][6][7][nb 1][nb 2][nb 3][nb 4] although they differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the details of his life that have been described in the gospels.[nb 5][13][nb 6][15]:168–173 While scholars have criticized Jesus scholarship for religious bias and lack of methodological soundness,[nb 7] with very few exceptions such critics generally do support the historicity of Jesus and reject the Christ myth theory that Jesus never existed.[17][nb 8][19][20][21]
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Molly Clannerfidge - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:20:42 EST ID:JPVhQX35 No.57249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think this is a decent summary of the most likely chain of events though much is still debated.

>Jesus was a Galilean Jew[12] who was baptized by John the Baptist and subsequently began his own ministry, preaching his message orally[24] and often being referred to as "rabbi".[25] He was arrested and tried by the Jewish religious authorities,[26] and turned over to the Roman government, and was subsequently crucified on the order of Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect.[27] Jesus debated fellow Jews on how to best follow God, performed healings, taught in parables and gathered followers.[27][28] After his death, his followers believed he rose from the dead, and the community they formed eventually became the Christian Church.[29]
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Alice Buttingtutch - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:59:32 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57249
It's pretty interesting how a man as simple as your statement suggests, has over time turned into the head of the monolith that is Christianity.
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Albert Chanderwater - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:00:58 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57250
Remember, a fuckload of proto christians died for that community. Bashed to death and shanked to death by fellow proto christians. Proto christians took their apostle cult warfare extremely serioys.
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David Chidgefield - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 00:17:43 EST ID:ueQZvpy5 No.57281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of the historiography of the Bible save Christians who aren't interested in your logic. What's more important is what type of cult leader Jesus was and how he practiced in reality as opposed to what the Gospels lay down. That's more important when documenting the formation of the religion and understanding how it went on to influence people in later ages.


Prechristian germany by Ian Wangerdadging - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 13:17:05 EST ID:BrfXiFVX No.57269 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'd like to learn more about the Germanic regions before christianism. Any suggestions? Cool facts?
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Ernest Drebbleson - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 04:15:53 EST ID:G431o8lC No.57275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cool fact: German tribes were big on Heracles.

Not so cool fact: Most sweeping generalizations about ancient Germanic peoples are horseshit. Especially the 'muh heritage' garbage but also especially anything that isn't very narrow scholarship.
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Ebenezer Fepperwater - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:19:10 EST ID:XW/jiJlY No.57276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can read Tacitus but it's quite obvious he just collected a bunch of rumors.
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Jenny Choshmod - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:15:51 EST ID:BrfXiFVX No.57277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57275
>Cool fact: German tribes were big on Heracles
Did the greek have a lot of influence on the more north-eastern parts of europe?

>Not so cool fact: Most sweeping generalizations about ancient Germanic peoples are horseshit. Especially the 'muh heritage' garbage but also especially anything that isn't very narrow scholarship.

Well i was trying to avoid the whole heritage lovers, I hope there aren't too many here
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Albert Brenkinridge - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:54:02 EST ID:G431o8lC No.57278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Did the greek have a lot of influence on the more north-eastern parts of europe?

No. A few Greco-Roman dieties show up in inscriptions around the Rhine. Heracles perhaps more than any other figure shows up all over the place. Consider this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules%27_Club_(amulet)

As influence goes it's trivial. Germans migrating into Roman territory are another story. They were Romanized to varying degrees with some of the nobility learning Greek.
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Basil Tootham - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:44:01 EST ID:lE3doHR2 No.57280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57277
It's more that the Roman's, in their histories, identified foreign deities with their own Roman figured. Mercury, or Hermes, the psychopomp was equated with Odin, iirc. Hercules would probably have been equated with Thor or a Baldr type figure.

This syncretic identification was by no means unique to the Romans, at any rate.


PreColumbia y'all! by Hedda Fillerstock - Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:47:30 EST ID:imeVvWkF No.57216 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I find pre-columbian native history fascinating, the most interesting thing to me is the parallels between old world and new world history. Seeing as how they're completely separated by a massive ocean and had (most likely) no contact, it's really a great study in how humans deal.

Today I'm going to talk about the origins of the Inca and the similarities between it and Rome.
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Hedda Fillerstock - Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:01:44 EST ID:imeVvWkF No.57217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57216
To begin, I have to address the many differences between the Incas and Rome.

The Incas civilization can be tied back to the Chavín culture.

The Chavín culture began with two settlements of people united with religious unity. They had created a great ceremonial site where a large portion of both small settlements came together.

This new ceremonial site became the site of the great new town between the two. This settlement became popular as they started to domesticate llamas, create more agriculture, and were by far more secure. People started to really like this shit and so a proto-urban center was created.

Soon, folk stopped hunting and gathering and started to specialize in certain crafts, in a classic tale they became a civilization through and through. Soon the elite class rose up, the folk who were "connected to the Gods". Obviously, as a religious culture this caught on.
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Fuck Pittspear - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 07:51:48 EST ID:BrfXiFVX No.57238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57216
please tell me more, i know practically nothing about aztec cuture
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Sophie Weshbanks - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 05:21:06 EST ID:pACIDeoi No.57239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Continue. I am well versed in the history of my continent, Europe, but know very little about pre-Colombus America, apart from how brutally we devastated the natives there. I do find the art of Mesoamerica civilizations fascinating though.
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Fanny Gendlelitch - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 16:04:26 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am monitoring this thread. Perhaps someone can take over from OP since he seems to be gone
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Simon Baffingnure - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:52:12 EST ID:CBu3jKCh No.57279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57217
Is it because they had a system similar to the marathon runners of Rome for sending messages between kingdoms? If I remember correctly messages were conveyed using rope tied into combinations of knots.

>>57238
The word Aztec is a misnomer made popular by a British archeologist in the late part of the 19th century. The people that refers to are citizens of an empire called the Triple Alliance, the conquering head tribe, that of the Montezuma lineage, the Mexica, pronounced Mecheeka. It's actually where the origins of the word Mexico and Chicano lie. They began as a cult worshiping the god of life and death while living under the previous ruling empire, they skinned the princess and a priest wore her skin in a ceremony and they were killed and chased to the swamps and badlands in the area that is now Mexico city. The head priest had a dream that they should settle a spot where they see a golden eagle perched atop a cactus eating a snake. They adapted to the region and started large scale farming operations in the swamp. They had grid systems in the shallow waterways that resembled rice paddies, they made small islands out of sticks, mud and derbies where they grew the traditional mesoamaerican crops of corn, squash and beans which thrived being farmed like this, they also did aquaculture in this system. Excess food allowed for a population boom and through conquest and alliance with two tribes I can't remember off the top of my head because they aren't as iconic. The empire was split into states and one of them was called Aztlan. This is where the British archeologist was studying and he was a blank slate before heading there in an age before the internet. It wasn't an intentional misnomer but it stuck, just like everything else involving Indians in America. Technically I guess the people he was studying were "Aztec" as far as the English language goes but that is like if aliens concurred earth, moved the people around then tried to study humans 200 years later and called all humans Floridians because they happen to land in Tampa. Of course that is even assuming the aliens speak English, but that's a long shot I think. Anyway, I hope that was som…
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Why did America even give a shit by Phineas Fuckingstone - Wed, 20 Apr 2016 00:46:22 EST ID:NN93ashj No.56644 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Like what was the point of the cold war? Why was someone else following a different economic system... a threat?
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Sophie Bluttingham - Fri, 22 Apr 2016 05:58:35 EST ID:A4qzNKCl No.56654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56652

Interesting! I await more of your back and forth.
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Fanny Shittingdock - Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:54:50 EST ID:W38+YVX9 No.56669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>this many communist stallions ITT
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Phyllis Chinkinson - Sat, 04 Jun 2016 21:43:56 EST ID:1UXL+6lF No.56714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56652
>WW1 might be happening all over again.
Lets hope cooler heads prevail.
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Wesley Dranderfoot - Sat, 04 Jun 2016 22:08:22 EST ID:slEOrfVs No.56715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56714
>>56654
>>56652

Just saw an interesting piece on VICE on HBO about nuclear weapons.

Two things stuck out:
1) USA is innovating in nuclear weapons including delivery systems. This basically forces an arms race with other nuclear armed nations. It's kind of fucked up that the USA roundly does the very ICBM testing that we chastise nations like Iran and North Korea for doing.
2) They said the US has developed a very small scale nuclear weapon that is highly accurate. They say that having a mini nuke like this actually increases the chances it gets used.

Pretty brutal. Though this could be the start of Cold War 2. Especially if one of these is used in the field of battle. Imagine if the USA starts charging admission to watch rented above ground nuclear testing in 15 years.
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Phyllis Chinkinson - Sun, 05 Jun 2016 02:39:44 EST ID:1UXL+6lF No.56717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56715
I wonder how the MAD policy is going to hold up when everyone has nukes.


Tell me everything about America + (Soviet) Russia + Middle East by Jack Hillyhall - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:00:45 EST ID:asXAvW71 No.56601 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm trying to discuss ISIS with my friends and family, but eventually we always seem to hit some sort of dark spot of ignorance. Questions like:
  • Why is ISIS about religion, unlike Al-Qaeda?
  • Why did America create Al-Qaeda and ISIS? Why is influence in the ME so important?
  • Why did Iraq invade Kuwait, and why was it important enough to cause the Gulf War?
  • Why was the US buddies with Saddam? Why did the relationship go south?
  • Why does the US fear Iran so much?
  • Why did the USSR invade Afghanistan?
  • What possible gain could there be in turning the ME communist?
  • Why does Israel exist?
  • What's Clinton's role?

This is just a fraction of all the questions I have. Please don't feel limited to just answering these questions. I'm really trying to understand the current situation and how we got here. I'm also looking for a good, mostly OBJECTIVE documentary on the subject (possibly impossible to find?)
Really, I'm just looking for an outline of the past 60 years of history, simple enough for anyone interested enough to ask the question to understand. I realize I could just google it, but most of the times the reasoning they provide is as dry and unhelpful as "it was a in response to this event".

I know this is asking for much, but face it, ya'll fuckers love history enough that you'll enjoy telling me everything you know. you enjoy telling ignoramuses like me what's up.
Tl;DR: read the title and do it.
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S\Gh0st\ - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:50:42 EST ID:cnjBxcGC No.57029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, Al-Qaedas ideals are strongly linked with anti-imperialism: The institution was created first as a war front against USSRs troops in afghanistan. After that, as USA decided to help Kuwait against afeghanistan, Al-Qaeda turned against the uncle sam, wich in the past was its ally and financier. As you can see, Al-Qaedas ideals are more political than religious, although the bastards are not secular.
I would say that their goals are not as evil as their methods.
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S\Gh0st\ - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:52:01 EST ID:cnjBxcGC No.57030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56601
Well, Al-Qaedas ideals are strongly linked with anti-imperialism: The institution was created first as a war front against USSRs troops in afghanistan. After that, as USA decided to help Kuwait against afeghanistan, Al-Qaeda turned against the uncle sam, wich in the past was its ally and financier. As you can see, Al-Qaedas ideals are more political than religious, although the bastards are not secular.
I would say that their goals are not as evil as their methods.
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Augustus Shakelock - Wed, 28 Dec 2016 22:20:38 EST ID:ERYmyDk/ No.57032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56601
Don't forget the Opium!
SWEET SWEET DELICIOUS NUTRICIOUS OPIUM!
For all your consumer needs!
Safe for adults, safe for kids, safe for animals, safe for livestock, safe enough to convert to your favorite concentrates!
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Nigel Clandleshaw - Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:17:33 EST ID:bNT6UmHB No.57033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I see people just guessing in this thread.
If you want to understand M.E history then you have go back to the imperialism days. After the imperialists left, the area was carved up with no regard to the original national, ethnic, religious factors. The countires became, and still are, primitive authoritarian system of governance. That's about early-mid 20th century shit. A lot of your questions are small time which is kinda bad if you want the bigger picture.
>Why is ISIS about religion, unlike Al-Qaeda?
Do you mean what were the factors to it's ideological birth?
A severe lack of education, poverty, a prominent religions role in the M.E, reactionary radicalization because of foreign interests.

>Why did America create Al-Qaeda and ISIS? Why is influence in the ME so important?
America indirectly created Al-Qaeda, it wasn't the number 1 intention. The U.S armed the mujahideen against the U.S.S.R. Then the mujahideen turned against the U.S. because of general involvement in the M.E (support of Israel, economic and military influence). ISIS was created by the same source of people, the militant religious radicals from the 80's and 90's , all the while radicalizing new and younger people.

>Why is influence in the ME so important?
Why is the influence in Asia or Europe so important? Because it's territory. There's still east vs. west mentality.

>Why did Iraq invade Kuwait, and why was it important enough to cause the Gulf War?
Iraq was authoritarian, it was only natural to start wars for economic and power gains. He also waged war on kurds and Iran. This is what authoritarian systems do.
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Samuel Chaddlestone - Wed, 04 Jan 2017 03:34:05 EST ID:UqesEraZ No.57034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57033
Good post, Nigel. Excellent work.


History repeating itself. by Michael Angelo - Tue, 25 Aug 2015 20:46:20 EST ID:mwxNDmgT No.56026 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What can we see from past events in history, that can help us piece together the major events of tomorrow?
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Frederick Hunderset - Mon, 07 Sep 2015 20:59:40 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does anyone have that vicky screenshot of the Crimean Crisis?
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Emma Hungernug - Tue, 08 Sep 2015 04:48:06 EST ID:8hSk1rC9 No.56108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56103
It was broken as shit until the first major expansion (like a quarter of the world's population would usually be British).
They actually made it balanced with the more recent ones, and Africa forms up really nicely.

The economics are still a bit fucky, but some mods help that.
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Frederick Hunderset - Tue, 08 Sep 2015 15:34:50 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56108

>economy

Just run minor surpluses and only produce things that you can manufacture with raw materials from yourself and empire. An irregular + cavalry pair is the cheapest and most efficient army for occupying territory. Because supply limits actually matter in vicky 2, you only really need one battle group, with a 5 attack general, win every time.

Bonus points for stockpiling coal from 1600 onward in the Ultimate mod, leading you to have a 99% strangehold on coal reserves in the 19th century.
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Cedric Penkinfug - Mon, 22 May 2017 21:20:00 EST ID:uOfeITwV No.57188 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56093

>buddhist theocracy [...] in response to Australia
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Samuel Hummledidging - Sun, 28 May 2017 02:44:08 EST ID:rJQXt3rx No.57192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>people are whimsical and commit terrible mistakes

over and over and over and over and over until the meteor struck.


Jewish history. by most certainly not a communist - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 14:21:02 EST ID:NpNqj0ZF No.57213 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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(THIS IS NOT A JEWISH BASHING THREAD, IT IS SIMPLY REVIEWING A HISTORY TO EXPLAIN THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE)

The holocaust was of course a tragedy, but what we don't look into is how the perceptions of anti-semitism came to be. Sometimes investigating victims can lead to fewer instances of victimhood. I'm worried about Jews in America.

It's not entirely unfounded that the Jewish population has had many wealthy and powerful individuals throughout the world, this is not because of some "elders of Zion" but due to the circumstances they found themselves in.

For instance, Christians could not charge interest on loans they gave due to the laws of the Catholic Church at the time. The Jewish bankers became by far more profitable and powerful as they could charge interest.

Although this did lead to inequality among a small minority, it did help build communities by handing out loans in the principal of investment.

However, powerful minorities creating inequality sows the seeds of discontent among the majority christian populace. The persecution of Jesus Christ in Israel is used as further evidence of Jews being evil (as Jesus was literally the most important thing to many), as well as the Jewish lore of "blood libel" to create the Golem of Prague. This became a popular rumor that Jews were kidnapping Christians and crucifying them as well as sacrificing them.

Due to the high rate of childhood, unexplained mortality it was an easy jump to accuse the Jews of kidnapping their children, this scapegoat was easy as there was already quite a bit of hatred direct toward the isolated Jewish community.

It didn't help that later that a Jewish Family, the Rothschild family DID create a conspiracy to gain power and influence in Europe and DID infiltrate many royalties. Of course, people don't want to be treated as lesser and resent the Rothschilds for controlling finances.
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Molly Beshdod - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:34:18 EST ID:4Z1EkLgS No.57234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This isn't jewish history, this is just an semi-coherrent refelection on the origins of anti-semtic myths. I wana talk about pre diasporia Levent and the Abassad kingdoms of beta isreal. IDRK how to describe your post, but their dosnet seem to be any historical sources conntected to anything you are saying. This all reads like your bong water scatter brain diarrhea. Give me somthing written by someone with a PhD or go home.
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Clara Dronningstone - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 23:20:06 EST ID:flID+PsE No.57235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57234
I'm glad that I can go into a Jewish thread and have my reply expectations met.


Late medieval thread by Nathaniel Bledgenidge - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:01:04 EST ID:aLFu7iIl No.57163 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone have any good lectures, essays etc on the decline of knights as a class and the decline of feudalism in general?
Also, general late-medieval, renaissance thread.
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Ebenezer Tillingham - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:19:47 EST ID:bayldp7v No.57254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You got to read up on the plague as an important factor for the decline of feudalism.
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Albert Chanderwater - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:02:54 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57251
I should have said I talked about European war crossbows specifically. As you said, the chinese had crossbows in antiquity, and the Picts had hunting crossbows in the early medieval period.
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Charlemagne - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:58:25 EST ID:6zd51tsO No.57258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57254
The impact the plague had on medieval society is pretty crazy when you start looking into it. Entire noble estates are abandoned/wiped out and then claimed by whoever happens across it, art becomes morbid and twisted, population scarcity causes peasant strikes and revolts because labor is suddenly in major demand, and you get crazy stories like how a pope at the time spent years wrapped in layers of blankets between two fires because they thought heat dissuaded disease.

>>57257
>The crossbow is portrayed as a hunting weapon on fourPictish stonesfromearly medieval Scotland(6th to 9th centuries):St. Vigeans no. 1,Glenferness,Shandwick, andMeigle.[49]The use of crossbows in European warfare is again evident from theBattle of Hastingsuntil about the year 1500. They almost completely superseded hand bows in many European armies in the 12th century for a number of reasons.

From Hastings to the 12th century we're predominantly seeing chain and padding for armor. It was in regular use before the rise of plate armor in the late Middle Ages.
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Charlemagne - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:22:12 EST ID:6zd51tsO No.57259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57258
Disregard the crossbow bit, I'm an idiot and forgot what your original point was.
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Nigel Fanham - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:51:06 EST ID:bo3asBrW No.57265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57258

It showed me the one positive example about humanity. Towns became more independent and dirty farmers proved to be able to understand and create great works of culture, philosophy and politics within a few generations and without church support. Literally people who spend most of their time knee deep in mud evolved into great painters, architects and writers. We think humanity is constantly devolving but there are regrowing ressources that clearly don't rely on a genetic advance.


Worst battles in human history by Lydia Bamblelat - Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:46:23 EST ID:CwlDQeu1 No.56482 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm in a pretty soul crushing mood today and I've been thinking about the battle of Passchendaele. All factors considered is there a worse battlefield in human history? Will the world ever see such horrors, like those witnessed by the men in the general vicinity of Ypres during the war? 24 hour shelling, machinegun lines, snipers, chemical attacks and corpses everywhere? By comparison the highly mobile combat led in WW2 seems like a dream to me. Am I missing something?
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Fucking Hingershit - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:18:05 EST ID:/+tLisk/ No.57260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57233

I happened to watch it with a bunch of marines. They called it the most unrealistic movie ever.
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Sidney Clugglekot - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 05:30:16 EST ID:82WzNMAT No.57261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57260
They obviously haven't seen Big Mommas House 2.
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Ernest Hizzleham - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:51:00 EST ID:Rv8hXdtD No.57262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57255
I really enjoyed the movie, mainly because I kept laughing my ass off at ridiculous scenes like that.

Not sure that was the filmmakers' intention, though.
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George Piddlestone - Sun, 27 Aug 2017 01:31:18 EST ID:PMeC+LId No.57263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56496

In that one example, carthage held out for seven fucking years, which would have been enough to defeat almost any other invading enemy, except the romans. The romans first asked for 10,000 talents, and when this was paid, asked them to give 300 noble hostages, and when this was done asked them to give up their weapons and they did so to keep peace, at which point the romans asked them to abandon the city to live in the hills, and then the carthaginians realized they had been tricked, now having to defend the city without weapons. I'd say they did pretty well considering. The romans burned them out house by house, much like the crushing of the warsaw uprising, it saves men to simply destroy rather than take.
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Matilda Cickleforth - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 19:43:37 EST ID:i2pzJk0z No.57264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57263

the 3rd punic war was the stuff of legends unseen ever again in the ancient world

the carthaginians actually dug a canal under the nose of the romans to create a new harbor and avoid the blockade, men swam in the ocean carrying torches to set roman ships on fire, carthaginian women used their own hair to create bow strings etc

after carthage fell, the character of the romans never recovered they fought barbarians and civil wars and slowly faded away


What if...? by Beatrice Dickledale - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:26:19 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57230 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So what if all modern wars suddenly had to be fought with swords and other pre gunpowder weaponry?

What would the military tactics be like? Would small groups of armed men run around as they do in modern war with guns or would we have to revert back to lining up in a field?

At first i thought it's obvious that we would adopt modern strategies and tactics but if an enemy decided to go for the line up in a field approach and just started marching toward whatever their target was (a city for example) small pockets of men would seem kind of pointless.

If someone can be bothered to waste time giving me some speculations, i'd be very interested to read. Also would be pretty interested in any examples of ancient armies doing operations that closely resemble modern strategies.
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Cedric Soddlebodge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 04:39:57 EST ID:lJYPBOas No.57241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57230
I mean, assuming we couldn't ever relearn to use gunpowder again i could imagine new gun-like crossbow things would emerge. The Chinese had been using repeating crossbows since before Jesus so i can only imagine what kind of batshit contraptions we could think up with modern physics and engineering knowledge.

Actually now that i think about it, we don't have gunpowder right? what about petrol? cos, i'm no engineer but surely we could make gun-like machines using petrol as the propulsion agent. Or like, a variety of other materials.
I mean, even if we didn't have gun-like things for any reason but still had petrol, we sure as hell couldn't have lines anymore. I can only imagine the carnage of tanks rolling over lines of pikes.
I mean, i'm imagining battles like Fury Road, where there are thousands of screaming mad men riding whatever vehicle they could into one another. Fuck, imagine a destruction derby between Europe and Russia.
Actually, its probably get gummed up pretty quick. cars stuck in mud and gridlocked on roads.

I don't really know much about modern armour but i feel like crossbows might end up being pretty useless against shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQM6zLiSn1E
However, bullets are pretty blunt and often hollowpointed so they probably don't have the point necessary to pierce it. who knows.

I mean shit now that i think about it, think of all of davinci's machines, we could totally make those now. Think of the siege weapons we can make with modern steel and a better grounding in science. I wanna see a revolving ballista that fire bolts like a gattling gun. I don't really know what it'd be used for but it'd be fun to watch.

I have an essay to write now.
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Barnaby Cuckletedge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 07:22:59 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57237
Not really. Crossbows are only really effective against mail armour. And medieval people quickly realised that metal plate armour is incredibly effective against crossbows.
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Barnaby Cuckletedge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 07:23:37 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57244
Durrr, of course, they work fine on shit like gambesons and naked skin/normal clothes too.
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Cyril Gindleshit - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 11:50:28 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57241
>I have an essay to write now.
Do it, please cover tactic and strategy differences
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Cyril Hucklespear - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:36:41 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On the topic of crossbows, i'm not sure what my rules allow for but if kevlar was allowed to stay then i'm guessing we'd have to go back to plate anyway. Last time i checked most blades would be able to get through kevlar and I assume crossbow bolts would be able to penetrate too.


Churchill by Phineas Gangerwell - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:17:19 EST ID:jg4fL/jL No.56882 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So Churchill has been on a lot of people in the UK's lips on account of him now being on a lot of people in the UK's notes.

There's been a lot of backlash from the people who link him with the Bengal famine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 and blame him for their deaths. There's also stuff like this popping up http://hitlerorchurchill.info/ (try it, it's interesting). Plus there was his collosal fuck up during WW1 with the Dardanelles.

ALL THAT SAI I can't bring myself to hate him. People of history don't exist in a vaccume, and are products of (and in Churchills case, shapers of) the time they live in. I'm not denying that the Bengal famine was an atrocious loss of life and as a Scottish person I've never been a fan of Britain or the British Empire, but part of me just allows it. This alcoholic infinitely quotable badass that embodied the attitudes of the nation he ruled at the time. Even if the nation was allowing massive amounts of Bengalis to starve to death...

I don't really know what I'm trying to say here, I'd like to think it isn't so simple as "He's a product of his time so that makes it ok" but I can't really explain it otherwise. I'm no apologist to the atrocities commited on his behalf but I just find myself unable to get that pissed off with him. I've heard there's people refusing to accept the £5 notes with him on it.

So what do you guys make of him?
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Cedric Cellersud - Thu, 04 May 2017 10:14:53 EST ID:8iQhyERG No.57177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56882
Oh, I'm a conservative.

Maternal... instinct...


nope
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Lydia Dartbanks - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:39:50 EST ID:YYFtDXxk No.57211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sounds like typical self-hating and deeply naive bourgeois intellectuals. For some reason the British "left" (liberal centrist) establishment hates Imperial Britain and everything about it.
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Lydia Dartbanks - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:43:57 EST ID:YYFtDXxk No.57212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57005

I love this revisonism lately to use pictures of Roosevelt and Churchill with some Canadian rather than the usual photos with Stalin as the third party
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Doris Mucklekurk - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:28:17 EST ID:9CoQeyOj No.57228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57212
>it's revisionism to use different photographs than that one famous one of the yalta conference
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Walter Blisslewut - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:47:13 EST ID:sVSDp2E0 No.57229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57228
Hey man, history is what you see in history textbooks.


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