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Late medieval thread by Nathaniel Bledgenidge - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:01:04 EST ID:aLFu7iIl No.57163 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone have any good lectures, essays etc on the decline of knights as a class and the decline of feudalism in general?
Also, general late-medieval, renaissance thread.
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Ebenezer Tillingham - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:19:47 EST ID:bayldp7v No.57254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You got to read up on the plague as an important factor for the decline of feudalism.
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Albert Chanderwater - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:02:54 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57251
I should have said I talked about European war crossbows specifically. As you said, the chinese had crossbows in antiquity, and the Picts had hunting crossbows in the early medieval period.
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Charlemagne - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:58:25 EST ID:6zd51tsO No.57258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57254
The impact the plague had on medieval society is pretty crazy when you start looking into it. Entire noble estates are abandoned/wiped out and then claimed by whoever happens across it, art becomes morbid and twisted, population scarcity causes peasant strikes and revolts because labor is suddenly in major demand, and you get crazy stories like how a pope at the time spent years wrapped in layers of blankets between two fires because they thought heat dissuaded disease.

>>57257
>The crossbow is portrayed as a hunting weapon on fourPictish stonesfromearly medieval Scotland(6th to 9th centuries):St. Vigeans no. 1,Glenferness,Shandwick, andMeigle.[49]The use of crossbows in European warfare is again evident from theBattle of Hastingsuntil about the year 1500. They almost completely superseded hand bows in many European armies in the 12th century for a number of reasons.

From Hastings to the 12th century we're predominantly seeing chain and padding for armor. It was in regular use before the rise of plate armor in the late Middle Ages.
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Charlemagne - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:22:12 EST ID:6zd51tsO No.57259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57258
Disregard the crossbow bit, I'm an idiot and forgot what your original point was.
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Nigel Fanham - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:51:06 EST ID:bo3asBrW No.57265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57258

It showed me the one positive example about humanity. Towns became more independent and dirty farmers proved to be able to understand and create great works of culture, philosophy and politics within a few generations and without church support. Literally people who spend most of their time knee deep in mud evolved into great painters, architects and writers. We think humanity is constantly devolving but there are regrowing ressources that clearly don't rely on a genetic advance.


Worst battles in human history by Lydia Bamblelat - Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:46:23 EST ID:CwlDQeu1 No.56482 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm in a pretty soul crushing mood today and I've been thinking about the battle of Passchendaele. All factors considered is there a worse battlefield in human history? Will the world ever see such horrors, like those witnessed by the men in the general vicinity of Ypres during the war? 24 hour shelling, machinegun lines, snipers, chemical attacks and corpses everywhere? By comparison the highly mobile combat led in WW2 seems like a dream to me. Am I missing something?
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Fucking Hingershit - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:18:05 EST ID:/+tLisk/ No.57260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57233

I happened to watch it with a bunch of marines. They called it the most unrealistic movie ever.
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Sidney Clugglekot - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 05:30:16 EST ID:82WzNMAT No.57261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57260
They obviously haven't seen Big Mommas House 2.
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Ernest Hizzleham - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:51:00 EST ID:Rv8hXdtD No.57262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57255
I really enjoyed the movie, mainly because I kept laughing my ass off at ridiculous scenes like that.

Not sure that was the filmmakers' intention, though.
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George Piddlestone - Sun, 27 Aug 2017 01:31:18 EST ID:PMeC+LId No.57263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56496

In that one example, carthage held out for seven fucking years, which would have been enough to defeat almost any other invading enemy, except the romans. The romans first asked for 10,000 talents, and when this was paid, asked them to give 300 noble hostages, and when this was done asked them to give up their weapons and they did so to keep peace, at which point the romans asked them to abandon the city to live in the hills, and then the carthaginians realized they had been tricked, now having to defend the city without weapons. I'd say they did pretty well considering. The romans burned them out house by house, much like the crushing of the warsaw uprising, it saves men to simply destroy rather than take.
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Matilda Cickleforth - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 19:43:37 EST ID:i2pzJk0z No.57264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57263

the 3rd punic war was the stuff of legends unseen ever again in the ancient world

the carthaginians actually dug a canal under the nose of the romans to create a new harbor and avoid the blockade, men swam in the ocean carrying torches to set roman ships on fire, carthaginian women used their own hair to create bow strings etc

after carthage fell, the character of the romans never recovered they fought barbarians and civil wars and slowly faded away


What if...? by Beatrice Dickledale - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:26:19 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57230 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So what if all modern wars suddenly had to be fought with swords and other pre gunpowder weaponry?

What would the military tactics be like? Would small groups of armed men run around as they do in modern war with guns or would we have to revert back to lining up in a field?

At first i thought it's obvious that we would adopt modern strategies and tactics but if an enemy decided to go for the line up in a field approach and just started marching toward whatever their target was (a city for example) small pockets of men would seem kind of pointless.

If someone can be bothered to waste time giving me some speculations, i'd be very interested to read. Also would be pretty interested in any examples of ancient armies doing operations that closely resemble modern strategies.
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Cedric Soddlebodge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 04:39:57 EST ID:lJYPBOas No.57241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57230
I mean, assuming we couldn't ever relearn to use gunpowder again i could imagine new gun-like crossbow things would emerge. The Chinese had been using repeating crossbows since before Jesus so i can only imagine what kind of batshit contraptions we could think up with modern physics and engineering knowledge.

Actually now that i think about it, we don't have gunpowder right? what about petrol? cos, i'm no engineer but surely we could make gun-like machines using petrol as the propulsion agent. Or like, a variety of other materials.
I mean, even if we didn't have gun-like things for any reason but still had petrol, we sure as hell couldn't have lines anymore. I can only imagine the carnage of tanks rolling over lines of pikes.
I mean, i'm imagining battles like Fury Road, where there are thousands of screaming mad men riding whatever vehicle they could into one another. Fuck, imagine a destruction derby between Europe and Russia.
Actually, its probably get gummed up pretty quick. cars stuck in mud and gridlocked on roads.

I don't really know much about modern armour but i feel like crossbows might end up being pretty useless against shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQM6zLiSn1E
However, bullets are pretty blunt and often hollowpointed so they probably don't have the point necessary to pierce it. who knows.

I mean shit now that i think about it, think of all of davinci's machines, we could totally make those now. Think of the siege weapons we can make with modern steel and a better grounding in science. I wanna see a revolving ballista that fire bolts like a gattling gun. I don't really know what it'd be used for but it'd be fun to watch.

I have an essay to write now.
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Barnaby Cuckletedge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 07:22:59 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57237
Not really. Crossbows are only really effective against mail armour. And medieval people quickly realised that metal plate armour is incredibly effective against crossbows.
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Barnaby Cuckletedge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 07:23:37 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57244
Durrr, of course, they work fine on shit like gambesons and naked skin/normal clothes too.
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Cyril Gindleshit - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 11:50:28 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57241
>I have an essay to write now.
Do it, please cover tactic and strategy differences
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Cyril Hucklespear - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:36:41 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On the topic of crossbows, i'm not sure what my rules allow for but if kevlar was allowed to stay then i'm guessing we'd have to go back to plate anyway. Last time i checked most blades would be able to get through kevlar and I assume crossbow bolts would be able to penetrate too.


Churchill by Phineas Gangerwell - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:17:19 EST ID:jg4fL/jL No.56882 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So Churchill has been on a lot of people in the UK's lips on account of him now being on a lot of people in the UK's notes.

There's been a lot of backlash from the people who link him with the Bengal famine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 and blame him for their deaths. There's also stuff like this popping up http://hitlerorchurchill.info/ (try it, it's interesting). Plus there was his collosal fuck up during WW1 with the Dardanelles.

ALL THAT SAI I can't bring myself to hate him. People of history don't exist in a vaccume, and are products of (and in Churchills case, shapers of) the time they live in. I'm not denying that the Bengal famine was an atrocious loss of life and as a Scottish person I've never been a fan of Britain or the British Empire, but part of me just allows it. This alcoholic infinitely quotable badass that embodied the attitudes of the nation he ruled at the time. Even if the nation was allowing massive amounts of Bengalis to starve to death...

I don't really know what I'm trying to say here, I'd like to think it isn't so simple as "He's a product of his time so that makes it ok" but I can't really explain it otherwise. I'm no apologist to the atrocities commited on his behalf but I just find myself unable to get that pissed off with him. I've heard there's people refusing to accept the £5 notes with him on it.

So what do you guys make of him?
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Cedric Cellersud - Thu, 04 May 2017 10:14:53 EST ID:8iQhyERG No.57177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56882
Oh, I'm a conservative.

Maternal... instinct...


nope
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Lydia Dartbanks - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:39:50 EST ID:YYFtDXxk No.57211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sounds like typical self-hating and deeply naive bourgeois intellectuals. For some reason the British "left" (liberal centrist) establishment hates Imperial Britain and everything about it.
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Lydia Dartbanks - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:43:57 EST ID:YYFtDXxk No.57212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57005

I love this revisonism lately to use pictures of Roosevelt and Churchill with some Canadian rather than the usual photos with Stalin as the third party
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Doris Mucklekurk - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:28:17 EST ID:9CoQeyOj No.57228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57212
>it's revisionism to use different photographs than that one famous one of the yalta conference
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Walter Blisslewut - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:47:13 EST ID:sVSDp2E0 No.57229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57228
Hey man, history is what you see in history textbooks.


Historical Inconsistencies in Christianity by Jenny Tootgold - Sun, 07 May 2017 12:22:37 EST ID:zZvV2w/f No.57182 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I think I just became aware of a large one that most people probably look over or ignore.

According to the Pauline Epistles in the NT, Paul of Tarsus was tasked by the Jewish High Priesthood to go to Damascus to root out the Christian believers there and take them back to Judaea for judgment and execution. This account is already problematic enough considering Paul's supposed Pharisee background and his collaboration with the Sadduccees, and the fact that "Christians" had not even coalesced into a separate religion at the time Paul said his conversion occurred.

But the glaring problem is that: how is it that the Jewish High Priests had jurisdiction over Damascus? At the time, Judaea was a province of the Roman Empire, and of such low status that it was administered as a client of the Roman province of Syria (an Imperial-type Province).

Furthermore, the Jewish Priesthood had many of its prerogatives removed stripped: by 28 CE, the Romans had removed or limited the ability of the Jewish courts to impose capital punishment or to judge themselves by their own ancient laws. Considering the reputation of the Priesthood/Sanhedrin of being 'collaborators', it's likely they themselves

So how the fuck could Paul have been tasked by the Priesthood to go to Syrian Damascus to arrest Roman subjects there? It's the equivalent of a Louisiana policeman driving all the way to Austin in Texas and arresting people there and claiming jurisdiction. It makes no sense, and reeks of a fabricated story.
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Molly Chettingpune - Sat, 27 May 2017 23:58:17 EST ID:Yt0MTGo3 No.57191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57182

Was it the Pauline epistles that said that? I thought it was just Acts
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Nicholas Turveyridge - Wed, 31 May 2017 11:37:41 EST ID:5kPy1v57 No.57193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like 90% of the OT. What? God stopped the sun from setting just for you and the rest of the world didn't notice at all? King David built a powerfull kingdom that nobody else ever talks about? Also Mose's biography seems to have been stolen from Sargon of Akkad.
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Sidney Blackstock - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:12:54 EST ID:+cP8QzkY No.57205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Rome, despite being viewed as installing completely new and radical governments and changing the duties of the people themselves, making slaves et cetera, often used the government currently in power as a force underneath their army.

What reason would they have to care about ordering the church around if they paid taxes?

Also I read on /b/ some guy doubting Jesus existed and while the few fragments of his life that remain are proof enough for some people, I wanted to point out that the New Testament mentions that the Jewish churched paid the Romans to be silent about him. There are still some sources beyond the Bible, but what better source to learn about Jesus anyways?

The fact that the Bible is incredibly accurate is proof enough I think
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Lydia Dartbanks - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:26:09 EST ID:YYFtDXxk No.57209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jews were given more autonomy than most since the Romans respected their "authenticity" if you will--they were old, and well documented as very old, and Rome--being deeply conservative--revered old things.
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Phoebe Wavingnine - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 07:34:52 EST ID:n86/MK/a No.57215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Religious people are very good at ignoring inconsistencies in their beliefs. That's all there is to it mate.


saharan slave trade by Nell Cizzlehood - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 22:44:19 EST ID:tC/dl63y No.57170 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Any of you follows know any good books about the trans Saharan slave trade? Watched a few good YouTube videos on it and was wishing to learn more.
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Wesley Gublingway - Mon, 05 Jun 2017 20:01:16 EST ID:Yt0MTGo3 No.57196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57195

He's right. One of the main oppositions to slavery in the south was the white working class, many of whom actually lived a worse quality of life in terms of income and housing than the slaves. The term "white trash" comes from the fact that even many of the slaves actually felt sorry for some of the poor jobless white folk that lived around them.

President Johnson also was an ally of white worker unions opposed to slavery, but these unions weren't opposed to slavery on moral principle as much as the feeling that slaves took away their job opportunities. It was because of President Johnson's close ties to these unions that Lincoln made him his vice-president since he was kind of a "moderate" voice on the issue.
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Ebenezer Blytheman - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 19:10:11 EST ID:xQkSNyxY No.57197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57196
>One of the main oppositions to slavery in the south was the white working class
Lmao no. The white working class in the South enthusiastically threw themselves to their deaths to protect slavery, in their thousands. Then they spent the next century and a half enthusiastically voting for the old plantation owners to keep the blacks down. What kind of person would actually believe...

>many slaves actually felt sorry for some of the poor jobless white folk that lived around them.
...oh. One of those "slavery wasn't so bad the Southern whites were the real victims" kind. I get it.

Whatever you need to do to feel better about yourself, I guess.
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Nathaniel Clayspear - Thu, 15 Jun 2017 05:36:52 EST ID:ncjsiAmY No.57198 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57194
Sounds like the rich has been using racism to divide the working class for centuries...
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Beatrice Happerbury - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:44:06 EST ID:YiUudFwN No.57199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We shouldn't be too surprised. Redneck Southern states do intentionally underfunded their own school systems, after all. It only makes sense that they would be so ignorant of their own history along with everything else.
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Jarvis Pinnersere - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 01:09:14 EST ID:N6lY6tKM No.57203 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>thread on islamic slavery
>devolves into "muh US slavery was worse"
classic


The peasants, citizens and background characters of history. by Charlotte Greenstone - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 21:19:05 EST ID:99/qp7+6 No.57206 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Most of history is the mundane everyday goings of the populous,
I believe that the masses are really what history is about, not great men.
I'd like to take a chance to talk about the people, the collective, the
"zeitgeist" if you will of the population.

ITT: We talk about the people as if they were a great person.

For instance:
The majority of peoples in the United States (2017) is a slightly overweight, suppressed and tired person. He works for a company that sees him as little more than a resource and he's pretty tired of it. But he's loyal and works hard, to a flaw even and takes any abuse he's given at work for a fairly low wage.

He doesn't trust the government and is skeptical of most people claiming to be a savior. He's very religious and donates a good amount of his cash to christian charities. He tends to only read things that affirm his beliefs and is not open to new ideas. He is divorced or in a loveless relationship, he doesn't much care for his children who for the most part are not as far as he'd hoped they'd be in life.

U.S man (I say man because the U.S is inexplicably masculine) is getting over a long racial-based guilt. He drinks a few beers a day. He drinks a few cups of coffee a day. He's on medication and sometimes doesn't even know what for. He's skeptical of his neighbors, especially if they have darker skin.

U.S man, currently is evaluating his options and is jumping to extreme stances. I hope he can hold it together.
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Betsy Sinkinwidge - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:08:43 EST ID:OIj+UVJT No.57207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hell yeah. I think about that shit all of the time.. The real super heroes are the mother fuckers that ate shit and lived through horrid conditions to propel humanity into a state where it was able to thrive. And I mean.. The level of shit eating just built progressively on top of itself.

i.e. everyone has ate shit, but some have ate more shit than others. The barely evolved homo sapien that lived into there 30's and endured the most painful ailments is one level.. The European settler that lived in the more recent centuries was one.. I mean altogether, those struggles add up to get us to this point, here..

It's pretty wild because we don't know shit about them. And really, they're us. We are reflective of them. But their conscious experiences were so much more fucked up than ours - not to say they didn't experience pleasure, too. Or even a satisfying life. But there's so much painful momentum that had to be built up by those poor assholes to get us here.


Historical artifacts questions. by Nicholas Dunkinfuck - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:27:22 EST ID:CfVamwXk No.57200 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey fellow stoned history geeks. I have a very interesting piece of militaria in my collection. My research into this is sadly minimal, I learned that Special Forces trained in Germany, and were housed in the same barracks the Waffen-SS trained in. The Death Head was sort of a moral patch in a way. But I would like any more info on this Beret if you guys have any knowledge in this.

And too keep the thread going, if anyone has any historical item from history they are curious about post them here and tell us what you know. Maybe someone can answer a few questions.
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Nicholas Dunkinfuck - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:29:25 EST ID:CfVamwXk No.57201 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Here is the soldiers name. Googling found very little as well.
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Archie Dingershaw - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 23:23:43 EST ID:nzDJ3VGr No.57202 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The flash (badge) goes with the 5th Special Forces Group. I seriously doubt it was ever worn in Germany though and not just because that group was never deployed there. That person probably had a patch with just the pattern and they would put their rank in the center.

As for repurposed Nazi construction, that happened all over. There are still Americans living and working in Nazi buildings.


Indian History Thread by Edwin Bricklehork - Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:50:48 EST ID:OE1PGRtd No.55613 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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INDIA
I don't hear nearly enough about Indian History, 'specially since they invented shit like our number system and how the ancestors of many Indians are so intimately linked with the ancestors of most Europeans
Like, you know, Sanskrit, Parsi, and Greek share a relatively recent ancestor, 'specially compared to languages like Basque and Spanish or Finnish and Swedish.

So, what d'you think is NEAT about India? Some shit from the Harrappan Civilization? Some fucking thing the Buddha did, or Jainism, or maybe some Hindu mythologies? Babur? The British East India Company? War with Pakistan?
Tell me what you know about the worlds most populous democracy!
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Angus Trotfoot - Tue, 13 Dec 2016 08:55:29 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57012
Do you have a name or something to go with that image mate?
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Isabella Bammerfetch - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:14:27 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57023
Thanks man, that has been wondering me for years.
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Cedric Cellersud - Thu, 04 May 2017 10:16:38 EST ID:8iQhyERG No.57178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55613
"Everyone bathe in the same river for 200 years. When they ask, you are spiritually advanced."
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George Nondleshit - Sun, 07 May 2017 12:06:29 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57181 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57178
>Everyone bathe in the same river for 200 years.
Is this supposed to be a joke based off of a fundamental misunderstanding of how rivers work?
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Martin Bardfuck - Thu, 11 May 2017 23:20:10 EST ID:uOfeITwV No.57184 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57181

You can never bathe in the same river twice.


The big M by Hedda Hammerwadging - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:45:23 EST ID:PqJIYKVF No.56862 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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/his/, what's the deal with Mussolini? Was he cool? Does he just get trashed because he was a fascist, or was he actually a dic?

pic related.
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Cornelius Snodwill - Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:05:34 EST ID:o53eXY05 No.56939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56938

>Italy
>republic

They were a monarchy until 1943 when the king fired Mussolini.
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Jenny Crozzlekedge - Mon, 24 Oct 2016 09:14:10 EST ID:6GUxSp3q No.56943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56934
Okay, so what about all the other places you named? You said parts of china in your last post.
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Caroline Grandridge - Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:21:17 EST ID:8hSk1rC9 No.56944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56943
Those are all places Italy invaded and annexed before and during WWII, many of which were neutral or axis powers.
It's silly to paint a fascist power that claimed it was their people's right to conquer other people as some benign victim who just wanted autonomy for their people.
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Cedric Cellersud - Thu, 04 May 2017 10:20:33 EST ID:8iQhyERG No.57179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56862
Look to your left. Now look to your right. Neither of these people will correctly lecture you on Mussolini. College students majoring in political studies have a 1 in 5 chance of being enamored with fascist thought.
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Martin Derrysere - Sat, 06 May 2017 00:57:36 EST ID:gLL4HKNH No.57180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56862
I'd say the italian fascist movement in general is more interesting than mussolini the man. In a nutshell he was a socialist (like most anti-establishment intellectuals at the time) who was kicked out of the socialist party due to his refusal to accept neutrality in WW1. Fascist intellectuals saw the bolshevik experience as a failure due to the wide spread famine which occurred after the revolution. He was apart of this circle, although not keenly influential in fascist thought per-se, which through the vanguard of a few heavyweights saw itself make a natural transition from socialism -> national syndicalism -> fascism. This was the a result of asking a pretty important question, how can we get italy off its knees sucking the dick of european powers and on its two feet as a super power?

Italy unified late during the fervor of nationalism unleashed by napoleon and the economic development of italy was also behind its neighbors. Italy needed an industrial revolution but found itself devoid of the natural resources necessary to spark it as england/germany/france were doing.

The result was, in my opinion, a patchwork 'third way' out of economic obscurity and into supposed greatness; part of that was the use of nationalism via their Roman heritage to justify their (once again...) late arrival to the colony scene. Mussolini was expedient in the sense that he wasn't really an ideologue, although i'd say he was an intellectual. Early in fascist development (1921) Mussolini said,

"The state must maintain all imaginable possible controls, but it must renounce every form of economic management"

But fascist third-way corporatism eventually (in my opinion) found itself give way to good ol' fashion socialism under the bolshevik model.


Suomio by Jenny Ceggletin - Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:34:00 EST ID:SbLL3rxd No.56367 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why didn't the Finnic culture/language spread in Europe? They were there longer than Indo-Europeans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3UH-lSm-40
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Molly Noffingwit - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 05:39:08 EST ID:BYWVJoFN No.56928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56912
lets be real, thats how every group became dominant in its own time and sphere
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Fanny Pushdit - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:09:56 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56367
Probably because Finland was never a particularly big population center throughout most of history nor was it ever a major central trading center.

Also, yes, the fact that the language is absolute bonkers likely didn't help.
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Reuben Smallridge - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:25:51 EST ID:GwUD1vEi No.57042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because Indo-Europeans domesticated horses and invented war chariots.

Also it did spread, much of the northern part of European Russia is made of Republics with significant Finno-Ugric populations.
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Nigel Doffingtat - Thu, 26 Jan 2017 00:31:36 EST ID:ueQZvpy5 No.57050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
finno-ugrics spread out toward the urals and siberia

I-Es spread out to western europe and even then it was not complete cultural assimilation until the roman era as there are many pre IE european holdouts in antiquity (etruscans, nuragics, eteocretans/cypriots, paleoiberians plus the forefathers to the basques)
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Ebenezer Dishson - Wed, 03 May 2017 16:13:34 EST ID:8gNEOVqK No.57175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57007i know this whole crazy finnish meme is great but this doesnt look any more complex than latin really. it starts with a root word and branches off into a few different word meanings depending on how you use the root, then each word has different tenses and forms depending on context, like how you have to conjugate verbs and decline nouns in latin. It's confusing as fuck for an english speaker, but so is Latin to be fair, it's just a little easier because we happen to still use a lot of latin roots.


emailing academics? by William Bapperfoot - Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:16:48 EST ID:XFbI7gxA No.56613 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Would it be inappropriate to email a question to an associate professor at a major university about sources for a course of his that's cited on wikipedia?
I'm trying to find information about Uruk's population in the third millennium BCE, but most of the figures online don't cite any real scholarly data and a reference to part of a course this professor taught is the most I can find on wikipedia.
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Reuben Pittspear - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 02:56:46 EST ID:NG1TsJYT No.56920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56616
>Academics in particular tend to think they have some obligation with regard to their public works

Not only that, but they also just really love to talk about their focus to anyone that will listen.
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Shit Burryforth - Sun, 27 Nov 2016 07:14:01 EST ID:gYCJk4B2 No.56994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If they reply it helps justify their existence.

By all means, do.

I've known a lot of academics and they really are just intelligent and very bored people. This is exactly the kind of stuff they love to engage with.

If they don't want to they will ignore or sidetrack your request. You can literally say, "If you're too busy I understand but I would really appreciate (this level of detail) of explanation." Be precise and most would rather email you than watch some shitty television show that's beneath them, or play with their fucking kids.

"No, honey, I've got an important email to write."

They're pretty normal people.
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Hamilton Bollerdock - Sun, 08 Jan 2017 14:02:17 EST ID:cVNnBfM0 No.57035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56613
Email their graduate students. They do all the work anyways.
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Hamilton Clayville - Sun, 23 Apr 2017 18:28:02 EST ID:ERYmyDk/ No.57162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56613
If you are close to the campus you can probably stop by his office during office hours.
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Ebenezer Dishson - Wed, 03 May 2017 16:09:45 EST ID:8gNEOVqK No.57174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57162
thats weird to do if you're not even a student at that university though
emailing the guy isn't weird op, but i see why you'd ask. if his email is on the school website and he has published work, (what history professor hasn't published at least some journal articles, though?) you are totally fine to email him about his work.


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