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Indian History Thread by Edwin Bricklehork - Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:50:48 EST ID:OE1PGRtd No.55613 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I don't hear nearly enough about Indian History, 'specially since they invented shit like our number system and how the ancestors of many Indians are so intimately linked with the ancestors of most Europeans
Like, you know, Sanskrit, Parsi, and Greek share a relatively recent ancestor, 'specially compared to languages like Basque and Spanish or Finnish and Swedish.

So, what d'you think is NEAT about India? Some shit from the Harrappan Civilization? Some fucking thing the Buddha did, or Jainism, or maybe some Hindu mythologies? Babur? The British East India Company? War with Pakistan?
Tell me what you know about the worlds most populous democracy!
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Frederick Hucklechid - Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:09:40 EST ID:4RNy1lDa No.56995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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nice necromancy bro.
Fanny Pushdit - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:54:38 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Definitely Harappa and the Indus Valley Civilization. Motherfuckers had indoor plumbing, a mysterious written language that we can't decipher and those trippy-looking stepwells that India loves so much.

It's a shame the British had to fuck up their archeological sites for bricks and shit, though.

Bro, this board is slow as fuck. Some necromancy is to be expected.
Jenny Blizzlesun - Fri, 09 Dec 2016 10:56:35 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I remember reading that when the English cunts invaded India, a prince or general with a liking to rocket artillery BTFO'ed the fuck out of the English, until the English zergrushed him like a bunch of Zulu's on crack with superior numbers of malnourished soldiers.

That sounds so weird, when you think about colonial wars, you imagine technologically advanced Westerners crushing technologically inferior numerically superior natives, not technologically inferior swarms of Westerners trouncing technologically superior natives.

And then the English took that Indian rocket technology and used it to bombard the Americans.
Angus Trotfoot - Tue, 13 Dec 2016 08:55:29 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do you have a name or something to go with that image mate?
Isabella Bammerfetch - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:14:27 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks man, that has been wondering me for years.

Churchill by Phineas Gangerwell - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:17:19 EST ID:jg4fL/jL No.56882 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So Churchill has been on a lot of people in the UK's lips on account of him now being on a lot of people in the UK's notes.

There's been a lot of backlash from the people who link him with the Bengal famine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 and blame him for their deaths. There's also stuff like this popping up http://hitlerorchurchill.info/ (try it, it's interesting). Plus there was his collosal fuck up during WW1 with the Dardanelles.

ALL THAT SAI I can't bring myself to hate him. People of history don't exist in a vaccume, and are products of (and in Churchills case, shapers of) the time they live in. I'm not denying that the Bengal famine was an atrocious loss of life and as a Scottish person I've never been a fan of Britain or the British Empire, but part of me just allows it. This alcoholic infinitely quotable badass that embodied the attitudes of the nation he ruled at the time. Even if the nation was allowing massive amounts of Bengalis to starve to death...

I don't really know what I'm trying to say here, I'd like to think it isn't so simple as "He's a product of his time so that makes it ok" but I can't really explain it otherwise. I'm no apologist to the atrocities commited on his behalf but I just find myself unable to get that pissed off with him. I've heard there's people refusing to accept the £5 notes with him on it.

So what do you guys make of him?
Emma Bodgeham - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:57:51 EST ID:3Ays09so No.56883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm a big believer in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatic_ethics so, you know, there's that. Maybe they just didn't know better (to put it simply).
On the other hand, the more distant something in in space and time, the harder it is to care about it.
A father being shot in Syria is just as tragic, objectively speaking, as my grandfather dying. Maybe even more so, since he had young children and a life ahead of him. But you'd never fault me for being more sad about my grandfather dying in his sleep than about a Syrian I've never met being killed, because my grandfather is closer to me. Or if you just want pure distance: We all get a lot crazier when there's a terrorist attack in our country, but nobody gives a quarter fuck for suicide bombers in Pakistani markets.

I feel about people judging historical figures like I feel about people being judged by retroactive laws: It doesn't make any sense to vilify someone for doing what wasn't wrong at the time.

So that's how I feel about him in a sort of moral sense.

As for not accepting £5 notes with Churchill on them (isn't it illegal to refuse official currency in shops?), I can better follow that as an objection to having Churchill on notes at all.
The things or people on our currency, no matter where we are, are chosen deliberately to represent the country and tend to have images on it that symbolize what that country is about, and while the note you pictured is about Churchill as a leader during WW2 carrying Britain through to the other side, it's impossible to entirely disentangle that part of Churchill from his (by our current standards) fuck-ups.
Beatrice Gommerbanks - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:43:57 EST ID:v+MjOh7X No.56885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Churchill pretty much sucked at everything except for riling people up to keep fighting against Hitler.
Shitting Necklechidge - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:51:34 EST ID:FBZRkRuk No.56893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's my american perspective:

ANYBODY is better to have on money than royalty. Fuck royalty. How could you complain about churchill being on a banknote, but not raise an eyebrow/teacup to elizabeth being on currency? What the fuck has she done to get that privilege? She was just born by the right parents, and that's it. Fuck her to hell and back. I hate the queen, just like every other real american.

Now Churchill was probably a blue blood for all I know, but at least he had to be a cunning politician to get to be prime minister.

On a related note (ha!), the US is getting rid of Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill. The 20 is a great bill to have - not too big, but can still buy a shitload. But Jackson was a genocidal cunt that hated central banks. So I'm very glad we're getting rid of him.
Cedric Worthingridge - Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:21:07 EST ID:wlEcThYX No.56900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A blood thirsty toff who participated in wars of empire and genocide from Africa to Germany.
Fuck that piece of shit, I'm glad he's dead.
Fanny Pushdit - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:46:01 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fun fact: in addition to being an irascible drunk, Churchill also suffered from severe manic-depression. He referred to his depressive states as his "black dog".


Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf by The Boat - Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:03:29 EST ID:SqGhCnYX No.56996 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just watched over this weekend all of "the Great War"s week by week one hundred years ago in the First World War youtube videos, and I must recommend them because of the high documentary level quality and the details of how each week of the War unfolded.


One of the most interesting people from the war that even I didn't know much about was the Austrian Cheif of the general staff
Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf

Specifically his consistan overestimation of the Austrian-Hungarian ability to wage war. I suppose he wasn't that different in that respect from the likes of Italian General Luigi Cadorna. But Hotenzndorf really couldn't see that economical the Hapsburg Empire was incapable of supplying and supporting a modern army.

Does anyone have more info or books about him to recommend? Especially if they have to do with operational planning and the logistics of the Austro-Hungarian war effort?
Edwin Foggleford - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:00:57 EST ID:GBTnxtdM No.56997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh yeah, total buffoon. It's interesting when you begin to see Indy get genuinely frustrated by him at one point. Does he not launch like, a fourth assault into the carpathians in winter or some shit? It's terrifying how clueless nobles were able to get themselves into such influential positions back in the day. That applies to all WW1 armies but the A-H specifically.
The Boat - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 03:30:16 EST ID:SqGhCnYX No.56998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Three attacks into the carpathians in winter with cardboard boots and summer uniforms, to rescue the garrison of 100,000 at the fortress of premesyl they lost in those attacks 800,000 men... this was modern war <gravity laden pause>.

Yeah isn't this show great? He seems to get frustrated with herzedorf and Cadorna the most.

Axis victory in WWII. by Cyril Fodgehall - Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:28:39 EST ID:WsaYJeul No.56866 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What is the most objective assessment of how an Axis victory would have been in the post-war years?
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Phyllis Gummleridge - Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:51:16 EST ID:AF8FGi+H No.56899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good to know we have an expert. Opinions by practicing historians on the outcome of those plans is rather less certain.
Cyril Sucklehutch - Mon, 26 Sep 2016 00:54:37 EST ID:8hSk1rC9 No.56902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just pulling this out of my ass, I haven't looked at any numbers, but:
Suppose Franco joins the axis, invades Portugal. Germany/Italy launch invasions of Gibraltar, the Azores, and Canary islands. Those bases are used to raid allied supply ships.
Italy sends troops to Lebanon, Syria and Iraq to help them throw the Brits out and invade Palestine and Egypt from 2 fronts.
Axis now have total control of the Mediterranean and can send enough supplies across to take Africa's west coast, the allies no longer have the bases necessary to get around the cape.
Middle East doesn't fall, European Axis doesn't have oil problems.
The allied assault on Africa fails as they can supply far fewer troops than the axis and can't attack from Egypt.

Suppose Japan doesn't attack the US, opting instead to concentrate on China and pacific colonial possessions.
With Axis control of the middle east, there's a very direct supply route for the Japanese to send rubber to the the axis for steel, middle eastern and Balkan oil.

When Barbarossa starts, both countries have fewer troops to dedicate, but fewer supply/production issues and are much closer the USSR's industrial base.
Japan can now enter USSR from two fronts, one in west china aimed at the Urals, one in the east that just captures USSR's eastern coast.
Iraq invades Iran, opening up another front with USSR.
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Eugene Finningwork - Thu, 17 Nov 2016 06:34:06 EST ID:a9WtbNjd No.56982 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Why would Franco invade Portugal? They were pretty much fascist and only waited for a decisive defeat for Britain to join the axis.
Fucking Hublingshaw - Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:52:16 EST ID:wbo9Cc1W No.56984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
First I need you to objectively explain how an egotistical drug addict who demanded final say on all military decisions despite being shit at it, wins a world war?
Polly Clibblesudging - Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:09:48 EST ID:HXj7PgQx No.56987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
US probably would be speaking German right now.

-Said every fucking person ever.

Ugh, so annoying.

Musketmen by Graham Mavingridge - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 19:47:46 EST ID:KCDGi4tU No.56914 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So in the 17th and 16th century muskets used a matchlock or wheellock mechanism to fire and therefore took a long time to reload, leaving the musketeers vulnerable, so they needed Pikemen to protect them. My question is- why didn't they just attach the pike underneath the musket and turn them into Piketeers?

I mean if you attached it underneath the musket with hoops, you could move the pike along so the musket was at the centre of gravity when you fired it. And obviously if it got to close quarters you could just us the pike like a pike.
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Hamilton Goodshaw - Mon, 03 Oct 2016 21:53:48 EST ID:TL6DdA5o No.56919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because evolutionary pikemen were rapidly becoming obsolete. They were able to hold off cavalry that attacked with sabres but once the horsemen switched to shooting at infantry formations with their pistols the pikes just took useless casualties and it was considered a better option to have more muscets than pikes.
Graham Blathercocke - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 18:25:53 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56925 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Bayonets aren't good at all. They're dumb unwieldy slow unbalanced short spears. They also weigh down your gun, and make it harder to aim. They make reloading harder.

That's something they don't teach in videogames.

The only reason why bayonets became commonplace is because spears and pikes stopped being used. Suddenly an unwieldy bad slow unbalanced short spear became a lot better. Because it no longer had any competition.

Another point is that in the 16th and 17th century, all musketeers had their own sidearms, typically a sword and a dagger. So if they found themselves in a melee, they'd drop their gun, and use their sword.

But as the 18th century progressed, soldiers armed with guns became less professional, and more like retards with a gun. Replaceable retards with a gun. And no one is going to spend money on making swords worth more than a retard with a gun. So it became economically viable to just stick a knife on a gun, and give it to some retard and tell him to shoot other retards.
Jack Blonkinhock - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 21:51:26 EST ID:bw6ZNCus No.56931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well the first bayonets were plug bayonets that sat in the barrel of the musket. It still amazes me they didn't work out that was a bad idea right from the very start.
Cornelius Shakebury - Wed, 12 Oct 2016 08:33:24 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It does make sense from their perspective.

One of the main reasons why bayonets make for such shitty weapons, is that they're misaligned.

The thrusting blade doesn't line up with the general line of the weapon, making it imbalanced and a liability in melee combat. That unbalance will result in slower attacks and bad accuracy, and someone with an actual spear, or a sword can capitalize on that immediately, since they have much better balanced weapons.
Augustus Sudgepet - Tue, 15 Nov 2016 01:38:58 EST ID:BBViIOJc No.56976 Ignore Report Quick Reply

yeah your strength or adaptability are irrelevant when it comes to timing, whenever a threat is advancing, a defense/counter must be executed simultaneously. with mixed arms you may have less of each weapon available but there is a greater time range of group readiness and less openings of vulnerability

Related to Veterans/Heroes? by Pentagon - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:23:37 EST ID:j8QhAWnX No.56735 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm new to / his /.
I was wandering if anyone here is related to any military veterans, or someone who died a hero, and what their story is.

My grandfather was a Staff Sergeant in F Company, 22 Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Division in WWII.

He went in on Utah Beach on D-Day. Fought in 4 campaigns; Normandy, Rhineland, Hurtgen Forest, Battle of the Bulge, and Central Germany. He received 3 purple hearts, and Bronze Star for bravery in his unit taking the city Luxembourg. The 22nd IR received two Presidential Distinguished Unit Citations. He was the leader of the VFW in my hometown until his passing in 2007.

Like any good American, I hold high regard and respect for all of those who have served, and would like to hear some other stories.

Ric Flair unrelated but pretty American tbh.
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Reuben Benninghall - Fri, 11 Nov 2016 00:05:58 EST ID:f/IVyCNt No.56968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Every male in my family from that Generation served. I'll talk about my paternal grandfather.

He was an odd man, and I disagreed with a lot of the conclusions he drew, but he had some insights and he survived.

He hated the stupid, blunt ass standard foxhole shovels assigned to the US Army Infantry on the western front, so he stole a functional one off of a tank when the crew wasn't around. They had a tank, he at least deserved a decent hole in the ground. He cut leg holes in his sleeping bag so that if they got ambushed in the middle of the night he wouldn't get stuck trying to shimmy his way out of the canvas, he could just hike it up and get ready to go. He once spent the night on a recon mission sleeping in a pile of warm manure in order to hide from a Nazi patrol. He was part of the division that liberated the city of Bitche, on the far east of what is now again France. He drafted in 1944, so he and everyone else from his cycle were pretty convinced they were gonna be the ones sent to fight the Japanese after Germany kicked it, until the Bombs got dropped and the war ended.

I don't think he ever really came home. Honestly, as tough as he was I think his life was ruled by fear, but on the home front unlike in the war you don't have anything to attack, you just live with the vague knowledge of a threat. I guess it was the first generation of living like we all do today and think is normal, but they weren't ready for the fucking international psy-ops the world was gonna play on with them after they weren't needed anymore. He made it all the way to 90.

He didn't like president Kennedy, but he was horrified that he was assassinated all the same, because he knew that wasn't how it was supposed to work. He lived the rest of his life convinced there was a second shooter.

He thought the movie WaterWorld was awesome
He was fucking superhuman at playing chess, I never did once beat him in 28 years and I'm not terrible myself. Even my dad could barely keep up.
He told me once that there was at least one lesson you could learn from everybody, which was ironic since he didn't trust anyone. But I suppose he meant that even if you didn't like or trust people you could learn things from them.
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Nathaniel Sigglefuck - Fri, 11 Nov 2016 06:39:17 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>He thought the movie WaterWorld was awesome

Molly Dunninghore - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:01:21 EST ID:k5UrPwXz No.56972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I know, the only thing he was right about...
Molly Dunninghore - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:02:09 EST ID:k5UrPwXz No.56973 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I know; the only thing he was right about.
Albert Clayford - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:49:49 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I like it too, it wasn't great - but good enough to be enjoyable, and it has sights that are just... wow. Unique.

But an old man digging a weird scifi film like that... that's pretty cool.

The men who fuck goats by The Boat - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:11:43 EST ID:EUhXVZGQ No.56945 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So like psychic powers are bullshit, but are reverse psychology powers real?

>like did the Air Force do this in the 50's? Or was that movie complete horse shite?

Like what if man?

My theory is that we did look into that kind of shit in the Cold War because we looked into everything.
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Sidney Clayshit - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:27:39 EST ID:XLSgC62Y No.56948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is not strictly what you're talking about bout still pretty interesting/ totally insane:
Martha Chonderlock - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:35:54 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If I recall correctly, Soviet aligned double-agents successfully convinced the US government to invest millions possibly billions of dollars into bogus research into mind control, ESP, psychic shit, UFO's, remote viewing and all kinds of tinfoil shite. The double-agents would say something like "The Soviets learned how to mind control people with LSD! The Soviets have developed telepathy!" and given the era of science rapidly advancing into really weird territory, the US government and intelligence agencies just believed it.
Cyril Bablingfedging - Fri, 28 Oct 2016 13:41:55 EST ID:JW5iN93X No.56950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
there are certain genetic dispositions which allow for the factor to be true in qualities observed which at the normal circumstance of what is currently known does not rectify its posibility , which is cool , but remains as it is , its wildly imaginative up until you actually put together ways of application
Edwin Worthingwell - Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:13:47 EST ID:lW/tbAqQ No.56951 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The mind control stuff was taken over from the Germans after WWII. They'd drug people with mescaline, put them into a really uncomfortable room and the interogator would say things like "This is really bad, they know you know and if you don't tell us we're all in deep trouble" while pretending to freak out himself. The Americans just switched to LSD and tried to fry their test subjects' brains even harder.
Frederick Clendlepin - Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:29:18 EST ID:drL7sWsr No.56952 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The big M by Hedda Hammerwadging - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:45:23 EST ID:PqJIYKVF No.56862 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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/his/, what's the deal with Mussolini? Was he cool? Does he just get trashed because he was a fascist, or was he actually a dic?

pic related.
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Ebenezer Grandfield - Mon, 10 Oct 2016 02:43:56 EST ID:drL7sWsr No.56937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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greek-speaking italians (greco-italians..? wiki says Griko people) blow my fuckin mind.
magna graecia duuuuuude
Betsy Pashcocke - Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:44:41 EST ID:QloOc9co No.56938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The formation of a united identity out of a host of disparate populations is a fucking nationalist fantasy
Well it's not exactly a wacky idealised dream. It worked out pretty well for Germany, France, Spain. The unification of Italy helped get rid of the monarchies and the papacy and install a republic. You can say "who are the italians" but the milanese were happy to liberate themselves from Austrian rule and join "the italians".

I view nation states as a result of progressive republican thinking in the 18-19th century. What is it you have against it? We're not talking the clumsy post soviet mushing together of Yugoslavia here, where there had been genocides committed by members of the union less than 50 years before the union took place. The unification of Italy was welcomed by the inhabitants of "Italy" and allowed Italy to become a modern european state, with all the benefits of life that come with that.
Cornelius Snodwill - Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:05:34 EST ID:o53eXY05 No.56939 Ignore Report Quick Reply


They were a monarchy until 1943 when the king fired Mussolini.
Jenny Crozzlekedge - Mon, 24 Oct 2016 09:14:10 EST ID:6GUxSp3q No.56943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Okay, so what about all the other places you named? You said parts of china in your last post.
Caroline Grandridge - Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:21:17 EST ID:8hSk1rC9 No.56944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Those are all places Italy invaded and annexed before and during WWII, many of which were neutral or axis powers.
It's silly to paint a fascist power that claimed it was their people's right to conquer other people as some benign victim who just wanted autonomy for their people.

/int/craft - imageboard community minecraft server by Esther Barddock - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:10:13 EST ID:1o6WsWXm No.56929 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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  • IP Address: intcraft.online
  • Server Version: 1.8.8 (any client from 1.8, 1.9 or 1.10 can join the server.)
  • Chien's World Map cropped to Eurasia
  • Towny, Brewery, meme recipes, word filter and more..
RP and General Rules
Contrary to previous iterations we will now state the actual rules for the server in a clear way, pre-launch. In theory, as always, there is only one rule: Don’t be a shitter. If you follow this set of rules, you are thereby not a shitter and you are in theory allowed to do what you want on Intcraft, and it will be up to the server population and community to put an end to their own disputes.
Towny War Flag will only be enabled from Friday-Sunday, from Monday-Thursday it will be disabled. PvP will always be enabled.
First 24 hours after launch will have War Flag disabled
  1. Building a town/nation must be historically accurate for that location given the current time (300bc-300ad)
  2. Buildings do not have to be 100% accurate, variations are allowed. But no memes.
  3. Towns do not have to be exactly in the same geographical location as they were, but it should be in the same general area.
  4. If you only want to pvp, find a pvp server
  5. If you only want to buildfag, join a nation or get gud.
  6. Nations can spread through conquest or diplomacy, but no Atlantic Federation tier memes.
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Archie Chebbleville - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 20:43:40 EST ID:4RNy1lDa No.56936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm in, you should post this in VG too
Jenny Buckleded - Wed, 19 Oct 2016 23:09:03 EST ID:4zlanzOr No.56942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Could you explain what this game is?

Venus figurines by Jarvis Blellymat - Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:21:00 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56810 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is there anyone here knowledgable about those things?

Someone recently mentioned an interesting thought to me, that Venus figurines are in fact NOT all of very "rotund" women as popularized by the Venus of Willendorf, and that the idea that prehistoric people liked their women "t h i c c" is just a modern presupposition based on incomplete evidence.

Can anyone corroborate this?
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Edwin Hushman - Thu, 08 Sep 2016 00:01:56 EST ID:nvRt55wR No.56850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The introduction of Chapter 6, the shaman and the priest, contrasts the individual spiritual quest of the hunter-gatherers to the social religious organizations of the planters.

>The contrast between the two world views may be seen more sharply by comparing the priest and the shaman. The priest is the socially initiated, ceremonially inducted member of a recognized religious organization, where he holds a certain rank and functions as the tenant of an office that was held by others before him, while the shaman is one who, as a consequence of a personal psychological crisis, has gained a certain power of his own. The spiritual visitants who came to him in vision had never been seen before by any other; they were his particular familiars and protectors. The masked gods of the Pueblos, on the other hand, the corn-gods and the cloud-gods, served by societies of strictly organized and very orderly priests, are the well-known patrons of the entire village and have been prayed to and represented in the ceremonial dances since time out of mind.

Here it is in entirety https://archive.org/stream/TheMasksOfGodVol.01PrimitiveMythology/The%20Masks%20of%20God%20%20-%20Vol.%2001%20-%20Primitive%20Mythology%20-%20Campbell
Fucking Gimmlegold - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:25:28 EST ID:aW3zOmSa No.56909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's Mcdermott's suggestion in "Towards Decolonizing Gender: Self-Representation in Upper Paleolithic Female Figurines"
> Thus the size, shape, and articulation of body parts in early figurines appear to be determined by their relationship to the eyes and the relative effects of foreshortening, distance, and occlusion rather than by symbolic distortion

A pretty definitive study, worth looking at.

I like what this paper [ https://www.hindawi.com/journals/janthro/2011/569120/ ] puts forward:
>At the time these figurines were made, Europe was in the grip of a severe ice age. Obesity and survival into middle age after multiple pregnancies may have been rare in the European Upper Paleolithic. We suggest that depictions of corpulent, middle-aged females were not “Venuses” in any conventional sense. They may, instead, have symbolized the hope for survival and longevity, within well-nourished and reproductively successful communities.

although it concluded this based on the very spurious fact that the figurines rate "low in attractiveness in visual assessment polls" or some shit lol.
Caroline Claffingworth - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 16:30:03 EST ID:dl+0XG2p No.56921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
personally I think all the stuff about these being goddesses is bullshit. My occam's razor answer is that these were made by men to impress women and get them to mate with them.

before language, making these would have been a way to demonstrate dexterity, intelligence, and ability to plan ahead and take care of things. it immediately shows you are a desirable mate, men who were intelligent but not strong probably made these to have a chance to pass on their genes

think about it
Graham Blathercocke - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 18:20:48 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You might have a point there. Just not a point you mentioned.

A guy who can spend time carving some statue, clearly has enough resources to do basically nothing for a day except carve some silly statue.
Caroline Blackridge - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 14:09:58 EST ID:Yt0MTGo3 No.56930 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Part of the problem also is that Westerners have a tendency to see any religious figure as necessarily being a "god". It's quite possible that the individuals who made such statues had religious purposes for them, but to say that the figure is meant to represent a "god" may be a case of projecting. We have a bad habit of assuming primitive or non-Western societies have the same understandings of what constitutes a "god" as us or even have a clear cut word for "god". If some other still existing animist religions (such as Shintoism) are any indication, the line between what would constitute a "god" and just a "spirit" can be blurry. And in places like Papua New Guinea, some of the tribes that convert to Christianity, still manage to keep many of their animistic traditions. Same goes with African animism or Yoruba, where there are plenty of African Christians and Muslims who simply re-interpret the Yoruba cosmology through a new religious lens. Likewise, Voodoo's mixture with Catholicism in the Americas where various saints are seen as embodiments of voodoo spirits reveals a similar dynamic element to animistic traditions. If the conceptions of "gods" were hard set and strictly defined in animistic traditions as they are say in the Greco-Roman pagan tradition, this kind of adaptability wouldn't be possible. In Japan, for instance, there has been at times a bit of difficulty in translating the term "kami" into English, which can be rendered as either "god" or just "spirit", depending on which is the preferred translation, the term "kami" as used in Japanese folklore and Shinto religious manuals can take a whole new meaning. If translated directly as "god", Shinto religion comes across as thoroughly polytheistic as any ancient Greek or Roman faith, but when translated as merely spirit, the cosmology of Shintoism seems much more capable of conforming to the theology of monotheistic traditions as well as polytheistic ones.

It's possible that if you talked to the people who made these "Venus" statues, they may have equally responded in the affirmative eq…
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is history the future? by Shaman !MbOrDArdlI - Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:23:18 EST ID:R/09CF0k No.56667 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've been listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series about WWI and its been making me think a bit about human nature. He talks about the learning curve that the military leadership climbed, killing millions senselessly in the process. They were all so certain of thing that anyone today would say are obviously wrong.

So how different are we? Take the US election as an example. The news says X will win because Y, and Z will happen blah blah blah.
But why are they so sure? Through the study of history, how much more do we know now about... idk causality, then the generals in WWI? If you look at the entirety of human history, its obvious things happen for a reason, and humans try to take advantage of that, but does it ever actually work? It all just seems like anarchy to me. Big things happening that occur because a gabizzilon tiny incidents that seem so obvious in hindsight while simultaneously being inconceivable before hand.

Can people as a species study enough history to overcome this? To do what people since forever have dreamed of doing and be able to use history to accurately predict the future? I think... maybe... but in the mean time, what the point of being certain of anything? If history tells us anything, it's that anything can happen at anytime for reasons that are very complex.

Take everyone on /pol/ with their thoughts about this and that. What do they know, what do any of us know. We are all just generals from WWI saying "If you just give me another 100,000 men, I can take their trenches in a mad rush"

IDK if this is the right board, but thought you might appreciate the traffic
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Fucking Pickford - Thu, 08 Sep 2016 01:13:06 EST ID:I29mmA+A No.56851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A bit OT from where this thread ended up but blaming the leadership completely for WW1 seems a bit silly. Millions were always going to die because they didn't know how to organise troops for modern warfare.

We have highly trained and expensively equipped soldiers in modern warfare that can work with complex tactics at a squad level while in coordination with entire armies.

In WW1 part of the problem was that soldiers and lower-level leadership were still only drilled for the most basic situations partly because it was conceived as the best way to train them quickly and partly because they didn't realise what properly trained soldiers could do. An additional problem is that most soldiers weren't conditioned through their training to kill back then either.

So now we invest heavily in our soldiers. They're trained for a long time, conditioned to kill their enemies, expensively armed and equipped etc. and we have way less. Even America with its massive military capacity wouldn't invest nearly as many troops per square-mile as WW1-era militaries would.
Shit Clanderlock - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 06:54:00 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's funny how we've returned to the medieval idea of a soldier. A highly trained professional soldier that has to learn a fuckload of shit.
Emma Bodgeham - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:09:15 EST ID:3Ays09so No.56884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Funny you mention it, when I was in basic my company commander did a little speech on how we were supposed to live up to knightly virtues innasandbox during a lecture on the laws of war.
That, and I remember reading somewhere years ago that some people were upset we were ditching conscript armies because it meant we might return to medieval-style warrior families, with nobody else really having a clue how to fight. Looking at the fact that military families are a thing, they might be right.
Shitting Necklechidge - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:00:01 EST ID:FBZRkRuk No.56894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Huh. The article says they charged, but then kinda meanders off. Did nobody actually get impaled? Also found this surprising:
>They had to charge across open ground and in the trenches they fought for five hours in one of the most intense battles since the Falklands.
Cyril Sundlewater - Sat, 24 Sep 2016 09:35:53 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If I had to guess, all the insurgents routed as soon as those Scots with mounted bayonets started charging.

Operations in the area around Kharkov by Nicholas Pockfoot - Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:07:07 EST ID:zVA/5kJs No.56252 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Post any new or really detailed info you might have

or lets just talk about how interesting the tactical and strategic situation changes as the front was in flux

Post your Kharkov!
Basil Pittspear - Fri, 06 Nov 2015 17:11:23 EST ID:G7MNv4fa No.56259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Von manstiens miricale really saved army group Souths Ass after Stalingrad
Charlotte Crezzleshit - Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:33:46 EST ID:TOCAOikB No.56321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Sidney Drankinshaw - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:00:33 EST ID:iISJgCeB No.56873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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same street?
Polly Nellydick - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:23:59 EST ID:sjoYHHwl No.56874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What? One is cobble stone, the other is pavement with street car tracks.

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