Leave these fields empty (spam trap):
Name
You can leave this blank to post anonymously, or you can create a Tripcode by using the float Name#Password
A subject is required when posting a new thread
Subject
Comment
[*]Italic Text[/*]
[**]Bold Text[/**]
[~]Taimapedia Article[/~]
[%]Spoiler Text[/%]
>Highlight/Quote Text
[pre]Preformatted & Monospace text[/pre]
1. Numbered lists become ordered lists
* Bulleted lists become unordered lists
File

Sandwich


We're recovering from a major server loss and are restoring backups as we gain access to them. Don't mind the odd time warp. Warn us in the future.

Was Jesus an Iron Age cult leader? by Doris Fuckingson - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:42:44 EST ID:6FQAmMFX No.57218 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1499978564344.jpg -(239294B / 233.69KB, 1280x720) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 239294
Hi all (Before I start quick disclosure: I am an atheist but I am here to have an honest discussion and am not here to troll and offend anyone.)

When i read the account of Christ and I read it as a myth that was meant to be examined as testimony I imagine that instead of reading a book Luke, John, or Matthew are at the bar just telling me a story about some guy they knew. This is what a testimony is after all: a story someone tells you. If a book is written in the format of a testimony thus you must not necessarily believe the narrator at all times. Sometimes you can assume that he is lying or exaggerating things just like a stranger telling you a story at a bar would. (Sorry for the long intro but it will help the rest of this make sense... hopefully) So following this logic and using its lens to examine the bible I make 3 assumptions as I read the accounts of Christs life.

1 - Jesus is not divine and has no special powers. (ex. I've never seen a dude walk on water why would I believe a testimony that says someone saw someone do it somewhere.)

2 - No one else has special powers everyone is a human limited by the knowledge and culture of Iron Age Middle East.

3 - Jesus is corruptible just like every other person.

Now with all this in play as I go through the bible I hear a story about a Iron age Rabbi that ran an organization with lots of hall marks of a cult like abandoning families to follow a holy teacher, giving up wealth, and dedicating one entire life soul, body, and mind to the holy teacher. Further this holy teacher showed them a bunch of cheap parlor tricks. The holy teacher was so narcissistic and egocentric that anytime anything other then him comes up he tells you how unimportant it is compared to him and tells you to give up everything just to worship him and serve him.

Further he is reckless and his delusions of grandeur like thinking he is himself a god as well as his corrupt nature like soaking himself in a years wages worth of perfume in one sitting in front of a bunch of people who gave everything up to obey and follow him. The picture is clear. I do not see a wise and loving guy. I see Charles Manson or Marshall Applewhite.

Again, I am not here trying to offend anyone, I am just trying to honestly explain my thought process. Now that I explained my thoughts, what I really want to ask is what are yours? How do you read the bible? How do you see Jesus? What do you think were his motivations and aspirations? And most importantly why do you believe these things.
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
13 posts omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Frederick Blobblewill - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:39:45 EST ID:vZXg7z/l No.57386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57285
the vatican has a giant disclosed library full of books hidden from the public, perhaps that's where they keep those books
>>
Martin Funninghall - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:14:26 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57386
The Vatican's forbidden books are in my opinion probably books written by cult leaders throughout the ages (I imagine it holds Cathar books for example), and just gnostic or mystic christian books in general.
>>
Hannah Hecklewell - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:15:23 EST ID:tzC97MoX No.57391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57218

i think OP you're being slightly harsh on jesus here, not way off, just reading some sinister intentions in to what may have been genuine philosophy, misguided or not.

first of all Jesus may not have ever claimed to be capable of miracles. For instance take the fish and bread that fed too many people, maybe in real life, Jesus convinced a large number of very hungry people to share a relatively small amount of food and everybody ended up with some. That might constitute a "miracle" in some sense, it would be the kind of thing that would make you respect the charisma and authority of somebody, without it being actually supernatural. And then 5-8 generations and 100-200 years later when the gospels were written (just ball parking here) the story had morphed into full miracles

pretty much all of the miracles i could find in the gospels could be explained in similar ways, turning the water to wine could be done in a similar way to the fish and bread, maybe he was just good at planning parties in an era where most parties ended up with physical altercations over the wine. as for raising people from the dead i dont recall him ever raising anybody who wasnt recently deceased and ancient medical knowledge wasnt that good, maybe some poor souls werent really dead and had a brief bit of awareness when jesus happened to come through and bless them

so i dont think the miracles thing is necessarily evidence that Jesus was deceiving his disciples.

as far as asking that his followers abandon family and possessions, there's no doubt this is a hallmark of cult behavior, however, i think there's a difference between deceptive narcisissitic cults and genuinely deluded cults, like the difference between charles manson's cult and mormonism

maybe jesus really truly believed his followers would achieve the highest truth, morality, etc by giving up everything and following him, he would not be even remotely alone in thinking this way, its basically the story of like every ancient buddhist/eastern spiritual leader

this applies to the fact that he focuses everything on himself too, if he really thought he had discovered the secrets of the universe, then it would only be right for everybody to drop everything and listen to him, and maybe he really thought there was no better use for a ton of expensive perfume than to make some cryptic philophical point (i actually dont remember what the perfume thing was about)
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>
Edwin Tootbury - Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:34:56 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57388
If true, it'd be pointless to keep them so secret. Nobody cares about dualism in 2018. There's plenty enough Gnostic texts out there to piece together what they believed. All they'd be doing is hindering the progress of archaeology. Would you not want to provide evidence of the success of your past conquests?

No, I suspect the texts in that library are far more 'foundational' than heretical.
>>
Walter Hillerhood - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:05:55 EST ID:IlyKIasb No.57430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP's observation is neither new nor particularly unique btw.

>>57250
As Simon bar Kokhba, but he is not remembered like Jesus was because his followers blew their load fast.

It is better to say that Hellenistic age Judaism fostered both messianic and proselytic tendencies that manifested in a diverse set of cultic beliefs based on individual spiritual leaders, of which Christianity was one and the birth of Gnosticism is likely tied into this process where regional communities could have significant sway over scriptural interpretation.

In other words, Judaism by the 1st century AD was rapidly diversifying as a congregation far away from Herod's Temple. This was the beginning of the diaspora, and in the beginning, it was fueled by converts. Modern Judaism discourages converts, but the Maccabees readily encouraged the conversion of gentiles to ward off centuries of depopulation in Judea proper. There were dense populations in Alexandria and Cyprus, Greece, Syria, and Rome itself. They were not active in banking, which was predominately dominated by established Latin or Greek banking charters that had evolved from the temple lending system of Archaic times.

In this context, much like you can trace evolutionary ancestors back by comparing structural similarities, the birth of Christianity becomes quite clear.


Medieval Japan by Alice Nangermure - Tue, 28 Oct 2014 02:55:10 EST ID:GZTV3220 No.54171 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1414479310402.png -(74468B / 72.72KB, 273x240) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 74468
Japan's history has always interested me, in fact feudal Japan or Sengoku Japan is what got me into history in the first place. I know it's over played and anime and weaboos have kinda ruined Japan's reputation. But, aside from all that, japan in the Sengoku era was extremely bloody and treacherous. Wars were constantly being fought, enemy armies just a few miles away from you being on such a small island. It was quite war torn. It was much like medieval Europe, just more violent compared to how small the country is and how many battles and wars were fought in such a short time. Their culture and warrior class was extremely sophisticated and unique. It might not be the most powerful or most influential in the world, but the civilizations before the western ideology conquered wer extremely unique and quute different than the rest of the world. You could say that before the west spread Iit's influence, Japan was a pretty mysterious place. It's quite fun to study if you ask me.

Inb4: I'm not some weaboo
Locked
Thread has been locked
Thread was locked by: Mintzs
Reason: Necroposting
8 posts omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Cedric Lightway - Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:33:21 EST ID:b0Z6XbnQ No.56078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>54171

How was it more violent than the islands of the UK?
>>
Cornelius Fillyfuck - Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:15:45 EST ID:MRc/EBe+ No.56082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>54172
That's a fantastic In Our Time episode, one of the best.
The other ones related to Japan are "Samurai" "Zen" and "Shinto", they are all pretty good.
>>56078
Look what went on between Scotland and England from about the 1400 onwards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_between_Scotland_and_England
Some boarder disputes and a war that lead to Scotland being ruled by England.
Meanwhile, In Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_battles#Muromachi_Period
Constant warfare between a shitload of clans all the time.
>>
Matilda Goodhood - Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:17:29 EST ID:b0Z6XbnQ No.56091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56082

Should really place the european comparison a good 200years back though. The 1400s were the end of that age of europe and the hailing of the renaissance. Japan (and east asia in general) fell a bit behind in this period, due to political incompetence.
>>
Alice Blondlechone - Sat, 05 Sep 2015 19:05:41 EST ID:MRc/EBe+ No.56094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56091
Political competence or constant warfare?
>>
A Wizard - Mon, 07 Sep 2015 14:43:14 EST ID:b0Z6XbnQ No.56104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56094


They do go hand in hand I find, lol.


Suicide mode d emploi 1982 (Claude Guillon - Yves Le Bonniec) by Suicide mode d emploi 1982 (Claude Guillon - Yves Le Bonniec) request - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 17:56:31 EST ID:jTO7vV4p No.57358 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1517525791877.jpg -(58697B / 57.32KB, 960x726) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 58697
Does any1 know where to find this? Book in subject... It's a history book.
>>
Archie Hockledut - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 22:07:23 EST ID:vxn5xcv4 No.57359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=EDDF9AAE52DE886D01360AEC85661A1F
>>
Suicide mode d emploi 1982 (Claude Guillon - Yves Le Bonniec) request - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 16:11:00 EST ID:jTO7vV4p No.57360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57359
Thnx


Cults of St. George by Shitting Blackforth - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:42:40 EST ID:6GEx+/2g No.57307 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1511235760178.jpg -(240601B / 234.96KB, 1600x1200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 240601
Does anyone have any resources or material on the history or doctrine of any of the cults of St. George that supposedly existed in the medieval times?

I've recently gotten into esoteric Christianity and the Legend of St. George and his martyrdom has great significance to me. I can't really find much on google.
>>
Edward Dartgold - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:41:12 EST ID:57IeChQg No.57314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Neo-nationalist detected. Nothing is known about the actual historical figure. nb.
>>
David Bunman - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:54:09 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You mean there wasn't an actual historical figure. St. George is all fucking bogus bullshit. Probably just some retold Greek myth from the middle ages.
>>
Walter Worthingbury - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 04:32:37 EST ID:60BLApn7 No.57337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57321
homeboy wasn't asking about the life of St. George, he was asking about cults of St. George in the Middle Ages. Chill out.
>>
Sidney Mablingfat - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:08:05 EST ID:TOP9kWlt No.57343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57307
Do you have a general work on saints?
Something like: A Brief History of Saints (BLACKWELL BRIEF HISTORIES OF RELIGION), Lawrence S. Cunningham

Footnotes in there could be helpful for something specific on St. George.
>>
Oliver Bardwell - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:36:07 EST ID:dUHNnmI0 No.57344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57314

kneejerk tribalist reactionary faggot with a superiority complex and poor reading comprehension detected. nb.


Abyssinia General by Lillian Briblingham - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:32:46 EST ID:MffvHEZt No.57300 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1510615966986.jpg -(2205284B / 2.10MB, 2372x3057) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 2205284
It's obvious that most of African history is either lumped into one generalized plot line of "primitive city-states" pre colonialism, or overshadowed by Egypt or mostly ignored all together. I want to talk about the most overlooked empire/empires in Africa, and possibly the world.
As far back as D'mt, Axum and then Abyssinia, the nation-state that is now Ethiopia is a deeply ancient culture and history that has played major roles in world history, dating back thousands of years. Before we get bogged down into "starving Ethiopian" meme's, lets take a second to discuss Ethiopian history, and maybe share some ideas about why it might not ever be talked about in our "post-colonial" society.

Let's have at it!
2 posts and 1 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Shit Gengerridge - Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:42:55 EST ID:kI8uAvwR No.57311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1511797375722.jpg -(468496B / 457.52KB, 1600x902) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>57302
>Black AND Jewish?
Ethiopia has a pretty unique history with all three Abrahamic religions from their earliest days. It's been home to Beta Israel since time immemorial, was one of the first official Christian states in the world, and provided shelter to Muhammad's persecuted early disciples during the First Hijarat. And this is after centuries of contact and cultural exchange with ancient Egypt, Felix Arabia, the Swahili Coast and the greater Indian Ocean trading network.

(((Abyssinia))) is one of the big unsung historical pillars of both the Western and Near Eastern traditions.
>>
Phineas Nabblepetch - Tue, 26 Dec 2017 20:04:39 EST ID:QMKnB+lX No.57331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57302
lol, I learned about these guys from EU IV.
>>
Charlemagne - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 13:26:17 EST ID:7moSACzs No.57334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1514831177246.jpg -(1484013B / 1.42MB, 2542x1524) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
Ethiopian art is pretty interesting. It's got this almost anime style to it and of course you get Ethiopian Jesus. And their script is some fantasy shit, having been around since at least the first century AD, being descended from a Bronze Age Arabic script.
>>
Charlemagne - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 13:28:27 EST ID:7moSACzs No.57335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1514831307607.jpg -(157806B / 154.11KB, 490x328) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
Here's a pic of Ge'ez. Would have shared an alphabet table but then you don't really get a feel for what it looks like.
>>
Barnaby Fanningbock - Mon, 28 May 2018 20:39:02 EST ID:VxA7QW/t No.57456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57331
>learned
>EU IV


Movember time by Dance Mania - Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:04:06 EST ID:5nGcC7gO No.57309 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1511625846394.jpg -(39234B / 38.31KB, 564x549) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 39234
Dancing in this November. That´s good history of that epic short film. Watch and enjoy that music well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGq-2gY81os


History repeating itself. by Michael Angelo - Tue, 25 Aug 2015 20:46:20 EST ID:mwxNDmgT No.56026 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1440549980871.jpg -(647807B / 632.62KB, 1920x1200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 647807
What can we see from past events in history, that can help us piece together the major events of tomorrow?
18 posts omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Cedric Penkinfug - Mon, 22 May 2017 21:20:00 EST ID:uOfeITwV No.57188 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1495502400944.gif -(2035233B / 1.94MB, 222x200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>56093

>buddhist theocracy [...] in response to Australia
>>
Samuel Hummledidging - Sun, 28 May 2017 02:44:08 EST ID:rJQXt3rx No.57192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>people are whimsical and commit terrible mistakes

over and over and over and over and over until the meteor struck.
>>
Sophie Gammlesore - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 01:41:33 EST ID:1oNFPI90 No.57286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1509169293941.jpg -(36046B / 35.20KB, 590x350) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
Mummys, bitches.
>>
Ebenezer Wugglebig - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:31:44 EST ID:/EK+cIBP No.57293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56026
I got one OP. Those new declassified military docs from the CIA that suggest planting bombs in urban centers and staging shootings to frame Cuba as hostile terrorists might give us some insight into modern terrorism and its ultimate motivations and sources.

If you haven't seen the docs, they're covered here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRdHKn8lULk
>>
John Wuffingnet - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 08:42:06 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57293
I doubt that the CIA was directly involved in the creation of modern islamic terrorism, but it's important to remember that Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA to fight communists using guerilla tactics, so Osama probably just took those plans and lessons and simply applied them to killing American citizens after the Soviet Union fell.


Prechristian germany by Ian Wangerdadging - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 13:17:05 EST ID:BrfXiFVX No.57269 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1507396625056.jpg -(363165B / 354.65KB, 1024x961) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 363165
I'd like to learn more about the Germanic regions before christianism. Any suggestions? Cool facts?
1 posts omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Ebenezer Fepperwater - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:19:10 EST ID:XW/jiJlY No.57276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can read Tacitus but it's quite obvious he just collected a bunch of rumors.
>>
Jenny Choshmod - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:15:51 EST ID:BrfXiFVX No.57277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57275
>Cool fact: German tribes were big on Heracles
Did the greek have a lot of influence on the more north-eastern parts of europe?

>Not so cool fact: Most sweeping generalizations about ancient Germanic peoples are horseshit. Especially the 'muh heritage' garbage but also especially anything that isn't very narrow scholarship.

Well i was trying to avoid the whole heritage lovers, I hope there aren't too many here
>>
Albert Brenkinridge - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:54:02 EST ID:G431o8lC No.57278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Did the greek have a lot of influence on the more north-eastern parts of europe?

No. A few Greco-Roman dieties show up in inscriptions around the Rhine. Heracles perhaps more than any other figure shows up all over the place. Consider this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules%27_Club_(amulet)

As influence goes it's trivial. Germans migrating into Roman territory are another story. They were Romanized to varying degrees with some of the nobility learning Greek.
>>
Basil Tootham - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:44:01 EST ID:lE3doHR2 No.57280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57277
It's more that the Roman's, in their histories, identified foreign deities with their own Roman figured. Mercury, or Hermes, the psychopomp was equated with Odin, iirc. Hercules would probably have been equated with Thor or a Baldr type figure.

This syncretic identification was by no means unique to the Romans, at any rate.
>>
Edwin Tootbury - Sat, 24 Mar 2018 05:31:44 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57277
Well for starters, "Germania" was a concept invented by the Romans. It was used to categorize. Most of these peoples never considered themselves a unified "German" ethnicity much less a nation. That would come later, much later. In ancient Germania, the carrying capacity was much lower than modern times because the forest sod was too thick to cut by the ard plow which was common in such times. Most communities were semi-permanent, and migration constantly according to the seasons. They stuck to morrane valleys, circular areas surrounded by a high wall of rock and debris that were formed by the massive ice shelves of the last glacial period. These areas were treeless and their loose soil easily be cut by the ard, but they lacked in nutrient-rich topsoil. Thus, they were not good for consistent pasturage, and they could only support temporary communities. The thick old growth of the European Plain, now long gone, preempted efficient communications between tribal leaders.

Altogether, and it's not hard to see how radically life could differ from one village to the next based on all sorts of factors but primarily resource availability. Due to the constant migratory pattern, tribes blended into each other and became other tribes. It's the reason we see so many shifting names in the Roman record. Many tribes rose, competed with one another, and collapsed during the span of Rome. And it's hard to make generalizations over such a diverse people over centuries of time. Much of the ancient Germans was built to be temporary, and much of what constituted their cultures is now lost. Many tribes only adopted written languages for purposes beyond symbolism after the fall of Rome. This makes piecing together the intricacies of their culture beyond a limited set of runes not really designed to convey significant information difficult, to say the least. Most of what we know was written by Roman sources, or written after the Fall of Rome. Never do we see a first hand account of living amongst a Germanic tribe in any of this, only third-party accounts relayed to people like Tacitus, who has spawned a great deal of oft-repeated myths as a result of this.

Significant foreign excu…
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.


Late medieval thread by Nathaniel Bledgenidge - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:01:04 EST ID:aLFu7iIl No.57163 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1493067664811.jpg -(302917B / 295.82KB, 1000x485) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 302917
Does anyone have any good lectures, essays etc on the decline of knights as a class and the decline of feudalism in general?
Also, general late-medieval, renaissance thread.
11 posts and 1 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Ebenezer Tillingham - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:19:47 EST ID:bayldp7v No.57254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You got to read up on the plague as an important factor for the decline of feudalism.
>>
Albert Chanderwater - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:02:54 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57251
I should have said I talked about European war crossbows specifically. As you said, the chinese had crossbows in antiquity, and the Picts had hunting crossbows in the early medieval period.
>>
Charlemagne - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:58:25 EST ID:6zd51tsO No.57258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57254
The impact the plague had on medieval society is pretty crazy when you start looking into it. Entire noble estates are abandoned/wiped out and then claimed by whoever happens across it, art becomes morbid and twisted, population scarcity causes peasant strikes and revolts because labor is suddenly in major demand, and you get crazy stories like how a pope at the time spent years wrapped in layers of blankets between two fires because they thought heat dissuaded disease.

>>57257
>The crossbow is portrayed as a hunting weapon on fourPictish stonesfromearly medieval Scotland(6th to 9th centuries):St. Vigeans no. 1,Glenferness,Shandwick, andMeigle.[49]The use of crossbows in European warfare is again evident from theBattle of Hastingsuntil about the year 1500. They almost completely superseded hand bows in many European armies in the 12th century for a number of reasons.

From Hastings to the 12th century we're predominantly seeing chain and padding for armor. It was in regular use before the rise of plate armor in the late Middle Ages.
>>
Charlemagne - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:22:12 EST ID:6zd51tsO No.57259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57258
Disregard the crossbow bit, I'm an idiot and forgot what your original point was.
>>
Nigel Fanham - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:51:06 EST ID:bo3asBrW No.57265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57258

It showed me the one positive example about humanity. Towns became more independent and dirty farmers proved to be able to understand and create great works of culture, philosophy and politics within a few generations and without church support. Literally people who spend most of their time knee deep in mud evolved into great painters, architects and writers. We think humanity is constantly devolving but there are regrowing ressources that clearly don't rely on a genetic advance.


Worst battles in human history by Lydia Bamblelat - Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:46:23 EST ID:CwlDQeu1 No.56482 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1455281183872.jpg -(127399B / 124.41KB, 800x614) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 127399
I'm in a pretty soul crushing mood today and I've been thinking about the battle of Passchendaele. All factors considered is there a worse battlefield in human history? Will the world ever see such horrors, like those witnessed by the men in the general vicinity of Ypres during the war? 24 hour shelling, machinegun lines, snipers, chemical attacks and corpses everywhere? By comparison the highly mobile combat led in WW2 seems like a dream to me. Am I missing something?
35 posts and 1 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Fucking Hingershit - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:18:05 EST ID:/+tLisk/ No.57260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57233

I happened to watch it with a bunch of marines. They called it the most unrealistic movie ever.
>>
Sidney Clugglekot - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 05:30:16 EST ID:82WzNMAT No.57261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57260
They obviously haven't seen Big Mommas House 2.
>>
Ernest Hizzleham - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:51:00 EST ID:Rv8hXdtD No.57262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1503773460029.jpg -(262231B / 256.08KB, 1280x720) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>57255
I really enjoyed the movie, mainly because I kept laughing my ass off at ridiculous scenes like that.

Not sure that was the filmmakers' intention, though.
>>
George Piddlestone - Sun, 27 Aug 2017 01:31:18 EST ID:PMeC+LId No.57263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56496

In that one example, carthage held out for seven fucking years, which would have been enough to defeat almost any other invading enemy, except the romans. The romans first asked for 10,000 talents, and when this was paid, asked them to give 300 noble hostages, and when this was done asked them to give up their weapons and they did so to keep peace, at which point the romans asked them to abandon the city to live in the hills, and then the carthaginians realized they had been tricked, now having to defend the city without weapons. I'd say they did pretty well considering. The romans burned them out house by house, much like the crushing of the warsaw uprising, it saves men to simply destroy rather than take.
>>
Matilda Cickleforth - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 19:43:37 EST ID:i2pzJk0z No.57264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1504395817878.jpg -(94803B / 92.58KB, 509x587) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>57263

the 3rd punic war was the stuff of legends unseen ever again in the ancient world

the carthaginians actually dug a canal under the nose of the romans to create a new harbor and avoid the blockade, men swam in the ocean carrying torches to set roman ships on fire, carthaginian women used their own hair to create bow strings etc

after carthage fell, the character of the romans never recovered they fought barbarians and civil wars and slowly faded away


What if...? by Beatrice Dickledale - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:26:19 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57230 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1500355579902.jpg -(216281B / 211.21KB, 965x772) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 216281
So what if all modern wars suddenly had to be fought with swords and other pre gunpowder weaponry?

What would the military tactics be like? Would small groups of armed men run around as they do in modern war with guns or would we have to revert back to lining up in a field?

At first i thought it's obvious that we would adopt modern strategies and tactics but if an enemy decided to go for the line up in a field approach and just started marching toward whatever their target was (a city for example) small pockets of men would seem kind of pointless.

If someone can be bothered to waste time giving me some speculations, i'd be very interested to read. Also would be pretty interested in any examples of ancient armies doing operations that closely resemble modern strategies.
4 posts and 2 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Cedric Soddlebodge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 04:39:57 EST ID:lJYPBOas No.57241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57230
I mean, assuming we couldn't ever relearn to use gunpowder again i could imagine new gun-like crossbow things would emerge. The Chinese had been using repeating crossbows since before Jesus so i can only imagine what kind of batshit contraptions we could think up with modern physics and engineering knowledge.

Actually now that i think about it, we don't have gunpowder right? what about petrol? cos, i'm no engineer but surely we could make gun-like machines using petrol as the propulsion agent. Or like, a variety of other materials.
I mean, even if we didn't have gun-like things for any reason but still had petrol, we sure as hell couldn't have lines anymore. I can only imagine the carnage of tanks rolling over lines of pikes.
I mean, i'm imagining battles like Fury Road, where there are thousands of screaming mad men riding whatever vehicle they could into one another. Fuck, imagine a destruction derby between Europe and Russia.
Actually, its probably get gummed up pretty quick. cars stuck in mud and gridlocked on roads.

I don't really know much about modern armour but i feel like crossbows might end up being pretty useless against shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQM6zLiSn1E
However, bullets are pretty blunt and often hollowpointed so they probably don't have the point necessary to pierce it. who knows.

I mean shit now that i think about it, think of all of davinci's machines, we could totally make those now. Think of the siege weapons we can make with modern steel and a better grounding in science. I wanna see a revolving ballista that fire bolts like a gattling gun. I don't really know what it'd be used for but it'd be fun to watch.

I have an essay to write now.
>>
Barnaby Cuckletedge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 07:22:59 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57237
Not really. Crossbows are only really effective against mail armour. And medieval people quickly realised that metal plate armour is incredibly effective against crossbows.
>>
Barnaby Cuckletedge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 07:23:37 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57244
Durrr, of course, they work fine on shit like gambesons and naked skin/normal clothes too.
>>
Cyril Gindleshit - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 11:50:28 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57241
>I have an essay to write now.
Do it, please cover tactic and strategy differences
>>
Cyril Hucklespear - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:36:41 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On the topic of crossbows, i'm not sure what my rules allow for but if kevlar was allowed to stay then i'm guessing we'd have to go back to plate anyway. Last time i checked most blades would be able to get through kevlar and I assume crossbow bolts would be able to penetrate too.


Churchill by Phineas Gangerwell - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:17:19 EST ID:jg4fL/jL No.56882 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1474463839322.jpg -(56051B / 54.74KB, 648x365) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 56051
So Churchill has been on a lot of people in the UK's lips on account of him now being on a lot of people in the UK's notes.

There's been a lot of backlash from the people who link him with the Bengal famine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 and blame him for their deaths. There's also stuff like this popping up http://hitlerorchurchill.info/ (try it, it's interesting). Plus there was his collosal fuck up during WW1 with the Dardanelles.

ALL THAT SAI I can't bring myself to hate him. People of history don't exist in a vaccume, and are products of (and in Churchills case, shapers of) the time they live in. I'm not denying that the Bengal famine was an atrocious loss of life and as a Scottish person I've never been a fan of Britain or the British Empire, but part of me just allows it. This alcoholic infinitely quotable badass that embodied the attitudes of the nation he ruled at the time. Even if the nation was allowing massive amounts of Bengalis to starve to death...

I don't really know what I'm trying to say here, I'd like to think it isn't so simple as "He's a product of his time so that makes it ok" but I can't really explain it otherwise. I'm no apologist to the atrocities commited on his behalf but I just find myself unable to get that pissed off with him. I've heard there's people refusing to accept the £5 notes with him on it.

So what do you guys make of him?
5 posts and 1 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Cedric Cellersud - Thu, 04 May 2017 10:14:53 EST ID:8iQhyERG No.57177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56882
Oh, I'm a conservative.

Maternal... instinct...


nope
>>
Lydia Dartbanks - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:39:50 EST ID:YYFtDXxk No.57211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sounds like typical self-hating and deeply naive bourgeois intellectuals. For some reason the British "left" (liberal centrist) establishment hates Imperial Britain and everything about it.
>>
Lydia Dartbanks - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:43:57 EST ID:YYFtDXxk No.57212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57005

I love this revisonism lately to use pictures of Roosevelt and Churchill with some Canadian rather than the usual photos with Stalin as the third party
>>
Doris Mucklekurk - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:28:17 EST ID:9CoQeyOj No.57228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57212
>it's revisionism to use different photographs than that one famous one of the yalta conference
>>
Walter Blisslewut - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:47:13 EST ID:sVSDp2E0 No.57229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57228
Hey man, history is what you see in history textbooks.


<<Last Pages Next>>
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Report Post
Reason
Note
Please be descriptive with report notes,
this helps staff resolve issues quicker.